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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Football Show. It's made your man named g

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Speaker 1: you get closer, hopefully at the end of all of

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Speaker 1: this when you go back to doing real life stuff again.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you're back here again with another addition.

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Speaker 1: Joint is always by producer Steve and joined for the

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Speaker 1: next few weeks by a special guest that you know him,

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Speaker 1: especially if you watch The Fantasy Football Show in season.

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Speaker 1: You know him as our resident nerd. He's also a

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Speaker 1: researcher extraordinary, does his own podcasting on the side. Uh

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Speaker 1: Fantasy guys. Smart guy, fun guy. Glad to have him

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Speaker 1: on the show. It is Matt Okada. Matt, thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on, man. How are you doing great? After that

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Speaker 1: strong intro? Feeling very uplifted. I'm doing pretty good. We're

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Speaker 1: in the heart of draft season and dynasty season, and

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Speaker 1: that's my favorite part of the year for fantasy. So

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Speaker 1: this is good stuff. Yeah. I know this is a

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Speaker 1: big time for you. I know you have kind of

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Speaker 1: month of April. So this is gonna be the start

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Speaker 1: of a four part series. We will go position by position.

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Speaker 1: Today will be quarterbacks and tight ends because we figured, uh,

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Speaker 1: so we can sort of combine them into one show.

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Speaker 1: Next people do running backs, and then we'll finish off

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Speaker 1: final two weeks of April, leading right up until the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, we will hit you on the wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: You might be uh, I don't think there's really an argue.

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Speaker 1: Probably the deepest position offensively offensive skill position in football

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Speaker 1: in the draft this year, so we'll talk about them

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Speaker 1: there was some news that happened on Monday, kind of

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald getting out in New York. He was traded

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Speaker 1: But obviously Matt this has fantasy implications. Uh. First off,

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald better than Teddy Bridgewater. I think the early

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Speaker 1: least that's what we learned when he supposedly taught Peyton

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Speaker 1: every general manager since then has thought he could raise

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Speaker 1: So the real question is Sam Donald. Has his struggles

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Speaker 1: well sam Don was gonna be great now, right, Like

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Speaker 1: that's just how this works. So, um, I don't think

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Speaker 1: going off of someone else's ideas. So I actually took

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Speaker 1: looking forward to the wide receiver section. I've noticed that

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Speaker 1: But let's start with the quarterbacks, because why wouldn't we? Um,

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Speaker 1: Who are your quarterbacks two through five after that? For

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Speaker 1: who are listening to this podcast saying who's Jim Druck

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Speaker 1: and Miller exact yea, So so hopefully they don't they

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Speaker 1: don't repeat that mistake. Um, all right, so let's get

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Speaker 1: into these top five guys here. Let's start obviously with

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. He is the number one. Uh. People are

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Speaker 1: saying he is the best quarterback prospects since you know,

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Speaker 1: fill in the blank, right, Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, whoever

436
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Speaker 1: you wanted to be, Uh, Trevor Lawrence is apparently that guy.

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Speaker 1: Now there is I think I don't think there's a

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Speaker 1: player in this draft that can't get better somewhere. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, there's no such thing I think is the

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Speaker 1: perfect prospect. Everybody can need some work. We've heard so

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Speaker 1: much about what Trevor Lawrence is great at. When you

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Speaker 1: watch him, where is somewhere you think he can get better?

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Speaker 1: There's actually a few spots. And I think that anyone

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Speaker 1: who views him as a perfect prospect is getting caught

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Speaker 1: up in the high so one of the one of

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Speaker 1: the top ones, and not because he's extremely bad at it.

447
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 1: It's actually not even really a strong flaw, but just

448
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Speaker 1: because he can get better, and it's my number one

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Speaker 1: trade is accuracy. He is not as accurate as justin fields.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if he's as accurate as Mac Jones.

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Speaker 1: When Mac Jones is on his game, sometimes he can

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Speaker 1: get a little bit wonky. But Lawrence, it's not like

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Speaker 1: I said, it's not a flaw. But he can get better.

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Speaker 1: He can get to a point where he's pinpoint right now.

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Speaker 1: He's got all the arm talent. I mentioned that that's

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Speaker 1: kind of a separate category. It's ability to make every throw,

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Speaker 1: throw it all over the field, put it in places

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Speaker 1: where it gets over the dB or past the dB

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Speaker 1: but still to the receiver, just based on a touch

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Speaker 1: and things like that. He's got all that, but he

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Speaker 1: can improve on his accuracy a little bit. And sometimes

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Speaker 1: where that shows up most importantly is when you want

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Speaker 1: those ropes that I talked about it briefly, he contends

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Speaker 1: to kind of airmail it or lobby a little bit

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Speaker 1: more than it needs to be, and then that makes

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Speaker 1: a little bit less accurate. So from a throwing perspective,

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Speaker 1: from an arm ability perspective, that's kind of the only

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Speaker 1: place really that I think he can improve because everything

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Speaker 1: else he's got it unlock. And then there's a couple

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Speaker 1: other places from a mental aspect, I think he can

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Speaker 1: prove a little bit one. He tends to sometimes lock

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Speaker 1: onto an option and go there without much thought. When

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Speaker 1: you have great receivers, when you play a Clemson, that

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Speaker 1: can be a little bit of an issue. You know,

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Speaker 1: he trusts that guy to win, but because he locks

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Speaker 1: in sometimes I saw him, you know, miss a linebacker

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Speaker 1: that slipped under the route or safety that's cheating over

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Speaker 1: and then that can lead to either the ball being

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Speaker 1: broken up, an interception happening. Things like that. I think

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Speaker 1: that he maybe needs to learn to check every read

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Speaker 1: before he makes a throw when he's got the time

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Speaker 1: to do it. Pretty small issue. And then the number

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Speaker 1: one issue for me really is and he's such a

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Speaker 1: good runner that it makes it difficult, but he takes

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Speaker 1: a lot of hits as a runner. He is not

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Speaker 1: a great slider. He's no Kyler Murray and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: get out of bounds like Lamar Jackson does he and

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Speaker 1: he's tough, so you know, credit to him for that,

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Speaker 1: but he tends to want to go through contact and

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Speaker 1: take the hit and keep going where he can, and

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Speaker 1: very often he can. I don't prefer my quarterback to

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Speaker 1: do that at the NFL level, and he's not built

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Speaker 1: like Cam Newton. He's definitely a big, big guy, but

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Speaker 1: he's a little bit skinnier. So I don't really want

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Speaker 1: that for my number one overall pick quarterback. So I

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Speaker 1: want to see him learn to take care of himself

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Speaker 1: a little bit better as a runner. But those are

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Speaker 1: really the only issues, and none of them, despite the

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Speaker 1: fact that I kind of ragged on him for a

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Speaker 1: good minute there, none of them are really, you know, big,

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Speaker 1: big issues. He's a definitely a lock to be a

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Speaker 1: number one prospect type of quarterback. No, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think all the things you mentioned are are things that

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Speaker 1: can be fixed without a whole lot of work, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously he'll he will get with another coaching staff.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure they will. You kind of take him through

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Speaker 1: those things that work on him as necessary. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think any of those flaws, um are fatal.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're they're unfixable. I think, especially the

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Speaker 1: I feel like the thing about taking hits um, I

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Speaker 1: feel like that kind of works itself out because all

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Speaker 1: I have. All you usually have to do is take

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Speaker 1: a couple of big ones, right, you sort of change

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Speaker 1: your attitude about that. I mean you mentioned Cam Newton.

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Speaker 1: I think Josh Allen's another one who is sort of

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Speaker 1: built like a you know, just like a solid tree

517
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Speaker 1: trunk of a man um and so you know, I

518
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Speaker 1: know that's sort of the knock on Josh Allen too,

519
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Speaker 1: that he takes a lot of hits. He's a bit

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Speaker 1: strong dude, so you know he can sort of sustain

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Speaker 1: that a little bit more. I think, you know, the

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Speaker 1: moment Trevor Lawrence takes a big hit, I'm sure Urban

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Speaker 1: Meyer and the coaching says to be like, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe get down something like that. Um, do you think

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Speaker 1: he is a top ten quarterback in the redraft leagues

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Speaker 1: as we sit and talk right now, Oh, I think

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Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be just outside for me when all

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Speaker 1: rankings fall as they fall, I think he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a little bit outside. Look, listen, he has Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: type of ceiling out of the gate. But Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: finished at ten. Now, he didn't start the year as

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Speaker 1: a starter, so you gotta give him a little bit

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Speaker 1: of credit for that. Probably would have been closer to

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Speaker 1: eight or something like that if he had been sixteen

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Speaker 1: games starter. But that is the that isn't in my

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Speaker 1: opinion the ceiling. Justin Herbert was incredible as a rookie,

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Speaker 1: and his weapons were also incredible. You know, you come

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Speaker 1: into a team you've got Keenan Allen as your widest

539
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Speaker 1: he ever one, it's gonna go pretty well for you

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Speaker 1: if you're decent. Lawrence is gonna have DJ Shark and

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Speaker 1: not too much else. So I don't think he's coming

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Speaker 1: into probably as good of a situation. I do think

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Speaker 1: he has the talent that Herbert has, so he has

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Speaker 1: that kind of eight nine tents ceiling probably, but I

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Speaker 1: don't think I'm going to rank him there. He'll probably

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Speaker 1: come in in the twelve to thirteen, fourteen, fifteen range

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Speaker 1: of quarterback. If he played a two QB league, he

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Speaker 1: should be drafted, no question. If you play in a

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Speaker 1: one QB league, I think he's going to be fringe

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Speaker 1: for me. I I think you mentioned Justin Herbert. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a good early comm in terms of what

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Speaker 1: his potential production can be. Uh, Mike have Florio and

553
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Speaker 1: I did a mock draft a little more than a

554
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Speaker 1: month ago now, but we were surprised that at the

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Speaker 1: time Trevor Lawrence was the eighth quarterback off the board,

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Speaker 1: which sort of which sort of shot this a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Although I do think some of that is just kind

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Speaker 1: of the hype sort of building for him. Um. I'm

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Speaker 1: curious to see as we get closer to August September

560
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Speaker 1: and things kind of settled down a little bit. Um. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is one of those things where I always feel

562
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Speaker 1: like the the casual players who come in and draft

563
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Speaker 1: sort of pull the rest of us back to earth.

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Speaker 1: Those of us who do this all the time, we

565
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Speaker 1: kind of get a little bit excited, and then it

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Speaker 1: into becoming a race to see who can get a

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Speaker 1: guy like Trevor Lawrence. Um, and then the casual folks

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Speaker 1: who haven't been studying this since January kind of come

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Speaker 1: back in and uh, and that sort of drags the

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Speaker 1: a DP down. UM. So I do sort of like

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Speaker 1: the gravity of it, and I think that will kind

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Speaker 1: of happen once we get a little bit closer. Um.

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Speaker 1: But for the dynasty folks, I mean, you know, dynasty

574
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Speaker 1: rookie drafts are they will be happening very very soon.

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Speaker 1: I know that is the thing you were very much

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Speaker 1: in tune with. How many players would you position any position?

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Speaker 1: I know we'll talk about wide receivers and running backs

578
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Speaker 1: in a in a week or two, regardless of position.

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Speaker 1: How many players are you taking a to Trevor Lawrence

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Speaker 1: and a dynasty rookie draft in a two quarterback league,

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Speaker 1: which a lot of dynasty leagues are, you're taking none

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Speaker 1: unless you're unless Justin Fields goes to the Niners and

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Speaker 1: you're in a draft with me and I have the

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Speaker 1: number one overall pick that I'm probably taking Fields. But

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, he's going number one in a one quarterback

586
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Speaker 1: dynasty league. In your rookie drafts, I think he's going

587
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Speaker 1: to be going around fifth, sixth, seventh, somewhere in that range.

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go behind Kyle Pitts, a tight end.

589
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: I know, it's crazy, we'll talk about that. Uh, And

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Speaker 1: I think probably behind the top three wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: maybe two running backs. So somewhere in that fifth the

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Speaker 1: seventh range. I think that's probably about right. It's gonna be.

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Speaker 1: That's that's high for a quarterback in a one league.

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00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: There is no question. So yeah, no, absolutely, um yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just I was just sort of curious about that.

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Speaker 1: You know. It's like, yeah, I see people do talking

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Speaker 1: about it or whatever, and UM, I mean, there's no

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Speaker 1: doubt he's going to be a for round guy. I

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Speaker 1: was just curious how high into that first round people

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Speaker 1: are gonna think about are pulling the trigger on that one. UM.

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Speaker 1: That gets us to Zach Wilson, who is probably looks

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Speaker 1: like he will be the second quarterback taking it looks

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Speaker 1: like the Jets are probably going to go that direction

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Speaker 1: with him. Uh really had a huge jump in production

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Speaker 1: between his you know, his last two years there at

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Speaker 1: b y U. A guy who's just sort of a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun to watch, right, I mean, just the

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Speaker 1: the Zach Wilson highlight reel, it's really entertaining. UM, when

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Speaker 1: you were scouting when you look at Wilson in particular,

610
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Speaker 1: doesn't concern you to see that big jump in production

611
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Speaker 1: year over years. That just part of his natural progression.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's not too much of an issue for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't put too much stock in that kind of

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Speaker 1: jump for quarterbacks, especially at smaller schools. UM, there's a

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Speaker 1: wealth of factors that can go into hyatt. Quarterback breaks

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Speaker 1: out as a junior or senior that doesn't really have

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Speaker 1: too much to do with their talent and so it's

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Speaker 1: something where I'll look for a second and say why

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Speaker 1: did this happen? Maybe, and then see where it goes

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Speaker 1: from there. But more likely, I'm going to scout the

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Speaker 1: years that they, you know, took over played at the

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Speaker 1: very high level and try to acknowledge the traits that

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Speaker 1: they have. What do they put on to you that

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Speaker 1: will translate to the NFL level? And with Zach Wilson,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of that that's very good. And so

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Speaker 1: I tend to mostly right off the fact that it

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Speaker 1: took him a couple of years to make that jump. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I so I want to put him in trade lance.

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Speaker 1: And we talk about trade lance too, sort of while

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Speaker 1: we're at it, because you mentioned small school, um, and

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Speaker 1: I know we we talked earlier about don't necessarily scout

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Speaker 1: guys based on school, but I do think we tend

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Speaker 1: to scout guys based on, say the level of competition

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Speaker 1: that they played, based on where they went to school.

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Speaker 1: And so now you've got Wilson at d y U,

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Speaker 1: which is not one of them, not even one of

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Speaker 1: the Power five conferences. You've got trade Lance, who's not

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Speaker 1: even an FBS player at North Dakota State. How much

639
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: did you look at the level of competition versus stay

640
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Speaker 1: playing at an Ohio State or in Alabama, where you know,

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00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: week to week you're going to face a lot of

642
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: guys that have NFL potential. That's not something you're necessarily getting,

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Speaker 1: you know when you are you are the starting quarterback

644
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Speaker 1: at in d s U. Yeah, that that definitely does matter.

645
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: You know, as much as I said, I kind of

646
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Speaker 1: try to pull school out of it in terms of

647
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: like the history of a school producing quarterbacks, I do

648
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: involve who who are they playing against? What is a competition,

649
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: what is his team's weaponry weaponry look like based off

650
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: the conference they're in and the kind of players they've

651
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: been able to recruit, and who is he going up

652
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: against in terms of the level of player competition, And

653
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: it does matter because you just have to contextualize their ability.

654
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: So if you can watch Zach Wilson throw a football,

655
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: even at a protein where there's no one on the

656
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: other side, and you can recognize his traits as a passer,

657
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: and you don't need to see who's on the other

658
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: side of the field to acknowledge, you know, how well

659
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: does he throw the ball, how what does his release

660
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: look like? How is he throwing off balance? Things like that.

661
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: But when you look at stats, when you look at

662
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the amount of pressure that they had to deal with,

663
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: both from a you know, I'm a quarterback of a

664
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: school perspective and literally on the field pressure from rushers.

665
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: UM that that definitely matters a lot and it's something

666
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: too Just contextualize their production to a degree. Again, still

667
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: the tape can stand on its own to some degree,

668
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: but you do want to contextualize the player and putting

669
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Speaker 1: him in the conference, in the competition that he played

670
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: against his part of that. So taking all that into

671
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: account and looking at Trey Lance, this is a guy who,

672
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: immigrant scheme, didn't play a ton of college football. He

673
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: played just one this one game in most of his

674
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: work came in UM. Obviously, nobody doubts his athletic gifts,

675
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: his athletic ability in terms of those just actual while playing.

676
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: Is he still too raw? Is there going to be

677
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: a bigger learning curve for him making that jump to

678
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's gonna be more raw, I think then

679
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: the other guys on this list. He's going to be

680
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: the most raw of these kind of the elite top five,

681
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: the first rounders. If you will of this quarterback class overall,

682
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he's too raw to contribute it in

683
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: the in the NFL quickly. So, you know, despite the

684
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Speaker 1: fact that I say he's the most raw, we're talking

685
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: about one of the greatest prospects of the quarter position

686
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: in recent memory. We're talking about Justin Fields, who's been

687
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: a National champion level type player. We're talking about Mac Jones,

688
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,919
Speaker 1: who literally won the National championship and has been playing

689
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: for Alabama. And Zack Wilson has at least a little

690
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: bit more experienced than Trey Lance, although not you know,

691
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: a ton necessarily as a productive starter, but but it

692
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: does matter. And not only that, but the kind of

693
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: play that Lance. His offense was NFL like caliber and

694
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: ready in terms of its scheming, but a lot of

695
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: what he did was take off running, and I would

696
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: prefer to be able to see a little bit more

697
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: than of staying in the pocket being able to throw,

698
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: and he can't make the throws, but being able to

699
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: throw from that kind of perspective rather than just immediately

700
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: like the offense was largely built around his ability to

701
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: just burst through a hole and be thirty yards down

702
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: field before anybody noticed as a rusher, and so that

703
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: is something a little bit to take into consideration. But

704
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: like I said, he's a little bit raw, but he's

705
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: not too raw to be an NFL quarterback pretty quickly,

706
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: and that's why he's being talked about as a top

707
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 1: ten draft pick. Well. I think it's interesting is when

708
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: you read a lot of the scouting reports on trade Lands,

709
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that jumped out to me was

710
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: people saying that a lot of times maybe he's too

711
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: conservative and that maybe he doesn't, you know, pull the

712
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: trigger enough on some of these throws, which is not

713
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: something you're used to seeing from a guy that is

714
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: getting so much attention and getting you Usually, if anything,

715
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: you hear about guys trying to play hero ball too much,

716
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: maybe making throws that they probably shouldn't have. So I think,

717
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: if anything, if you're a coach and you look at

718
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: all that ability and you're like, hey man, just let

719
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: it rip a few more times, I think that that

720
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: to me feels like a good position to be in

721
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: as a coach, as opposed to trying to rain a

722
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 1: guy in occasionally, uh you know who might have, say,

723
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston tendencies to just like heave the ball down field,

724
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: so very curious to see where he lands and what

725
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: he could potentially do. In terms of Lance, I will

726
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: briefly say, you know, ideally I would like him to

727
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: go to a place like Atlanta where he can sit

728
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: behind him Matt Ryan for a year and then become

729
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: the starter. I think that would be best for him

730
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: and for his team. But if he goes to somewhere

731
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Speaker 1: like Denver and they want to move on immediately, I'm

732
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: okay with him starting to I mean, if I've seen

733
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Speaker 1: Atlanta sort of in the mix there as as a

734
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: team that he could possibly go to, and understanding Matt

735
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: Ryan still does have a couple of years left in him,

736
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: I think to be really productive. Um, you know I

737
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: fear of the five. Then you sort of have to

738
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Speaker 1: justify you have to weigh that balance between taking a

739
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: guy like Lance probably you know, a number four at

740
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: least in the top five, and then having him sit.

741
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: So that's a dance and I don't have to make

742
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: because I'm not in charge of that sort of thing,

743
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: but I know that's that's got to be part of

744
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: the calculus. And you mentioned Denver. Denver, I think it's

745
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: an interesting and interesting proposition, just because now after the

746
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: Donald trade there is talk that Teddy Bridgewater could end

747
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: up there and then as the guy to take over.

748
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: Which would you know if that happens, I would think

749
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: that takes them out of the trade lance market. I

750
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: mean not necessarily, but more than likely. Uh. It also means, uh,

751
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: you know, if your Drew Lock, it's nervous time there

752
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: because uh, you know, your days in Denver might be

753
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 1: numbered if they make a move for for Teddy Bridgewater. Um,

754
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: justin fields. Obviously, he is sort of the lynchpin I

755
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: think in the first round, right, and we talked about

756
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: that whatever happens with him where he goes, uh could

757
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: make a lot of dominoes behind him sort of change

758
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. Of all the things that have

759
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: been uh kind of knocks on him, one of them

760
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: has been his ability to read coverages and whether or

761
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: not he's a little bit slow sometimes in diagnosing things. Um,

762
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 1: is that real or is that exaggerated by people who

763
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: maybe have an ax to crime against him? I think

764
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: it's I think it's a little exaggerated, but I think

765
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: it's more misplaced. And I'll preface this by saying it

766
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: can be hard to scout. What's going on in the

767
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: mind of a quarterback. You know, if he's holding the

768
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: ball and then taking a sack or throwing a pick.

769
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: It's hard to say. Was that because he saw someone

770
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: that was open but he didn't have the you know,

771
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,720
Speaker 1: instinct to pull a trigger, or it's because he didn't

772
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,959
Speaker 1: see the right place to throw because he's not reading

773
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: the coverage correctly. What what is going on there? It

774
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: can be a little difficult, but this is what I

775
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: saw with Justin Fields on the tape. I saw it

776
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 1: was more of an issue with sensing and dealing with

777
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: pressure than it was with reading coverages. And in my opinion,

778
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: I think the stats bear this out, because this is

779
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: a guy who threw six eighteen passes, sixty seven touchdowns

780
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: and nine interceptions. If you have a real issue reading coverages,

781
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna end up throwing a few more

782
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: interceptions over the course of your college career. He's been

783
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: one of the best in college in recent years at

784
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: being able to produce at a very high level without

785
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: throwing picks. But what he does do is take a

786
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: lot of sacks. To me, it's a little bit of

787
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: the Russell Wilson Deshaun Watson kind of uh side of

788
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: quarterback things where they want to make the play, they

789
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: want to make something happen, and because of that, they

790
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: tend to take more sacks. But they're not not there

791
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: throwing picks all the time, because I do think that

792
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: he and they can recoverage as well. But as in

793
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: terms of sensing pressure, that is probably his greatest weakness.

794
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: I saw a lot of issues with sensing pressure in

795
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: the pocket, being able to adjust where he is or

796
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: get the ball out quick enough to deal with that pressure.

797
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: And if you don't get the ball all quick enough,

798
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna get sacked. So that's the that's the real

799
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: concern that I saw. I don't think it's a big

800
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: issue with reading coverages, but that doesn't mean it's not

801
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 1: a big issue still. So I think at the next

802
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: level he needs to be able to learn and hopefully

803
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: he has a coach who can help him learn how

804
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: to more quickly uh sense, deal with and avoid pressure.

805
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, having watched Jimmy Garoppolo for

806
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, um that is a concern

807
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: because um, I feel like the the next time Garoppolo

808
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: of aids pressure will be the first. Um. The difference

809
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: being Justin Fields is a lot more mobile than Jimmy Garoppolo,

810
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: so hopefully that that would work in his favor if

811
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Speaker 1: he were to layd in San Francisco. UM, I I

812
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,760
Speaker 1: still think that should be the pick for the Niners

813
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: at three. UM. You know, if not, then I think

814
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: Trey Lance is a nice substitute. Um. The the guy

815
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: that has a forty Niner fan I would not want

816
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 1: is all about Mac Jones, who, as you mentioned, he's

817
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: a national champion, right. He put up some some eye

818
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: popping numbers this past year. UM, but again, last year

819
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: was his first year really is a full time starter.

820
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: The year before that he was on the bench to

821
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: a tongue of voloa gets hurt. Mac Jones steps in

822
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: and plays very well the rest of the way. But

823
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: this is his first year as a full time starter.

824
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: How much of this was I shouldn't say, I shouldn't

825
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: ask like this. So how much do you think he

826
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: benefited from Alabama's depth at wide receiver? Because we we're

827
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: gonna talk, we talk about wide receivers. You know there

828
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: will be a couple Obama guys that we mentioned right

829
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: off the top there. UM, and you just go back,

830
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, through the years, Henry Ruggs and Jerry Judy,

831
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, Uh, you know, Julio Jones and Marie Cooper.

832
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just in the last decade. These

833
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: are the guys that have come out of Alabama at

834
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. Uh. And they are as deep

835
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: now as maybe they has have ever been. Um, how

836
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: much does that go in helping a quarterback be successful

837
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: when you've got guys like that to throw too, I mean,

838
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: and it's not difficult to say a lot. And the

839
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: best wide out in college football, not just last year

840
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: but arguably in the last several years, leading his team

841
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: in his offense this past year. And you mentioned, you know,

842
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: the incredible statistics, right get a seventy seven percent completion

843
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: percent That seems to bear out. He's extremely accurate, which

844
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: is what a lot of people talk about. But then

845
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: you watched his pro day and he kind of struggles

846
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: a little bit and you say, hmm, what what what?

847
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: What's going on there? Well, when you have extremely, extremely

848
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: talented receivers, they tend to pull in passes that are

849
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit off the mark where others wouldn't

850
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: and maybe inflate that number a little bit. Here's here's

851
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: a fun stat that I like to bring up with

852
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: Mac Jones. Okay, a lot of people compareing to statistically

853
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: to Joe Burrow from ten. They both had massive seasons

854
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: in terms of yards and touchdowns mac Jones. Burrow that

855
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: season completed a hundred and twenty four passes in too

856
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: tight windows. Mac Jones completed forty four passes into tight

857
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: windows last year. In other words, his receivers are wide open,

858
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: and by the way, had incredible receivers like some of

859
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: the best multiple first rounders, maybe even three uh in

860
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 1: that in that one season. But when your guys are

861
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: getting as open as mac Jones receivers are, and when

862
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: they have the ability to bring in passes from you know,

863
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: three feet off of where they should be in a

864
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: way with that other receivers can't, it definitely does help

865
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: make your numbers look better and even your tape look

866
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: better because there is biased to seeing that you know,

867
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: throw turn into a touchdown even though it maybe shouldn't

868
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: have based off where the quarterback put it. So it

869
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: definitely does matter a lot. Again, I try to, you know,

870
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: evaluate the quarterback on his his skills specifically, but when

871
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 1: you are watching that ball go down field and it's

872
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,240
Speaker 1: being brought in with an incredible catch by Javonte Smith

873
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: that a normal human being would not make. It's thing

874
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: that you have to be conscious to say. Okay, maybe

875
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't put that in mac Jones positive column. So

876
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: last week we had Matt Harmon on the show who uh.

877
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: You know, obviously he spending a lot of time looking

878
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: at wide receivers as well. I know that's something you

879
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,479
Speaker 1: do as well. And one of the things he said

880
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: last week was because he spends so much time watching

881
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: wide receivers, by extension, he ends up spending a lot

882
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: of time watching quarterbacks as well. And I would think

883
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: for you, um, I would imagine that's something you sort

884
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: of notice, right, I mean you notice obviously not only

885
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: how good the receiver is, but I would imagine you

886
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,760
Speaker 1: spend a lot of time sort of noticing the quality

887
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: of target that these receivers are getting as well. Yep. Absolutely,

888
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: And you know that that's one of the ways you

889
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: can even notice quarterbacks before you're starting to scout them.

890
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of the way it goes with

891
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: a lot of different positions too. If you start. If

892
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 1: you start to notice something about the player you're not

893
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: even scouting, that can tell you a lot more sometimes

894
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: than when you're scouting that playing in particular, So you're

895
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: scouting Vonte Smith and Jalen Waddle, the two top elemats,

896
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: you're in a couple of weeks, you should know their names. Um,

897
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: and you're you're noticing things about mac Jones and that

898
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: maybe he's not struggling a bit to put the ball

899
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: exactly where it needs to be or under throwing a

900
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: little bit of things like that that can stand out

901
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: to me even a little bit more sometimes than when

902
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: I'm scouting him and watching what he's doing. Cool. Um,

903
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: So we're gonna be those five guys, any guys outside

904
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: of the top five that you know, at least for

905
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: our fantasy purposes, you think are worth paying attention to

906
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: right now, um, right now worth paying attention to. Probably,

907
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: I would say Kyle Trask out of Florida is kind

908
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: of the next man up after these five first rounders.

909
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: But the reason we're talking about these five is because

910
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: they're all the first rounders, and everybody after that is

911
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: probably second at the earliest for Trask, and then beyond

912
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: that for pretty much every other name. But if if

913
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: Trask goes to a decent landing spot on day two,

914
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: especially in the second round, he's going to be worth

915
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: paying attention to, paying attention to you, I would say

916
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: from a scouting perspective, He's not really going to blow

917
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: you away. He's honestly kind of like a poor man's

918
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: Mac Jones to a degree. Also not very dynamic, but

919
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: I guess the job done and did have a lot

920
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: of talent around him that kind of maybe elevated how

921
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: he looked and what his statistics came out as. So

922
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: a guy to keep an eye on, but not at

923
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: the level of these five. Well, it feels like a

924
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: perfect warrior for us to move on to the tight

925
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: end position because you talk about Kyle Trask, who was

926
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: the quarterback at the University of Florida, and the guy

927
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: that he was throwing too pretty frequently is by far

928
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 1: the number one tight end being talked about in the draft.

929
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts from the University of Florida. Um, obviously he

930
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: is ahead of the pack when when we start talking

931
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: about tight ends, But for you, how far out of

932
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: the pack is he compared to everybody else I'm gonna

933
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 1: go with roughly four hundred light years or something like that.

934
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: It's it's honestly kind of hard to put into words,

935
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: and honestly, it's it's really rough for a couple of

936
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: the other guys on the list, because they're decent prospects

937
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: and so like, to say that they're way way behind

938
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: feels like we're just saying, oh, there's no one else

939
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: in this tight end classic even worth drafting or considering.

940
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: That's not even true. There's at least two other guys

941
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: that I think are probably worth looking at in your

942
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: rookie drafts and dynasty, and will be worth looking at

943
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: in redraft within a couple of years. But it just

944
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: doesn't matter when you're comparing that the pile pits this guy.

945
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: He's often called a unicorn. I feel like that's a

946
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: little bit of an understatement. I don't know how powerful

947
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: unicorns are, but this is more like, I don't know,

948
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 1: some kind of dragon unicorn hybrid thing. He's a whole

949
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: another fantastical realm. Apart from every other player on this list,

950
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: and honestly almost every player in this draft class from

951
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,720
Speaker 1: a fantasy perspective, and in just in terms of how

952
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: incredible he is as a prospect. The fact that we

953
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: are invoking cryptos go cryptozoology in order to describe how

954
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: Pits should go a long way toward telling you, like

955
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: how talented this guy is. Um. So, I mean, look,

956
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 1: we're we normally don't talk about rookie tight ends in fantasy.

957
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about them more in dynasty and

958
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: and waiting for them a couple of years down the road.

959
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: But there is so much excitement about what Kyle Pitts

960
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: is and can be that we're talking about drafting him

961
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 1: to other people talking about drafting him, but they're talking

962
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 1: about drafting him high like I would think. We're talking

963
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: about tight ends in redraft leagues. Um, in some order,

964
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: you're going to have Travis Kelsey, Darren Waller, George Kittle,

965
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: those are gonna be your top three. Then you start

966
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: to get into the Mark Andrews T. J. Hawkinson's of

967
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: the world. For your money, where does Kyle Pitts slot

968
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 1: amongst those guys? When we're talking redraft fantasy. There's no

969
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind he should be top ten. So

970
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,399
Speaker 1: there's that the start you can start with that put

971
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 1: that as your floor. I think probably I'm gonna be

972
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: putting him somewhere around six or so kind of after

973
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: the Elite three. There's no question in my mind for

974
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: now you have to put him after the Elite three

975
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: of Kelsey, Kittle, and Waller, and then for me, I'm

976
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: probably going to slot him behind Mark Andrews and t J.

977
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: Hawkinson for now because I know those guys are going

978
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: to produce. I'm seeing what they can be. I know

979
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna be tight end ones and I feel very

980
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: confident in them, whereas I don't know that for a

981
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: fact with Pits, just because I've never seen him play

982
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: at the NFL level and it's very rare for a

983
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: tight end to produce at that level as a rookie. However,

984
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: there's also no doubt in my mind that he is

985
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: a better tight end than those two guys, just in

986
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: terms of fantasy potential, like how good this guy can be,

987
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: how high his ceiling is. And I think that one

988
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: of the main things, so I'll just briefly touch on

989
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 1: this that really makes this an immediate hit kind of

990
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: situation for Pitts is that a lot of times with

991
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: tight ends that we really really get excited about coming

992
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: out in the draft. They are athletic freaks, right, They're

993
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: extremely explosive, they're crazy fast. We look at them in

994
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: their size and then we look at their combine numbers

995
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 1: or their tape and we say, how is that happening?

996
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: That doesn't really make sense. But what they're often missing

997
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: is the ability as a receiver to run routes, to

998
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: get off the release, off the line of scrimmage, to

999
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: beat man coverage, things like that where there's something you

1000
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: have to learn at the NFL level. So a coach

1001
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: at the NFL left level has to teach you how

1002
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: to do that because largely in college they don't to

1003
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: the degree you need to to succeed in the NFL.

1004
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts has all of that already, no question. He

1005
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: is a savvy, athletic, agile, nasty route runner. It's like

1006
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: how besides forget the size, and how is he doing this?

1007
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: Just how is he doing this at all? Is the

1008
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: question that comes to mind. And watch him on tape.

1009
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: So I think that he has that that kind of

1010
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: skill set that maybe is often missing from a rookie

1011
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: tight end, and we need a couple of years for

1012
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: it to develop because he hasn't already. That's why I'm

1013
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: willing to draft him top six, maybe even by the time,

1014
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: you know, depending on where he goes the redraft drafts

1015
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: roll around, I'll be taking him above those two and

1016
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: he'll be the number four tighten. It's entirely possible. Does

1017
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: it matter where he goes? I mean, obviously, I'm sure

1018
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: there's some places that are probably better fits than others. Um,

1019
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: But I feel like a guy with that skill set

1020
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: that has you know, the tight end next to his name, um,

1021
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: I feel like there's almost no place that a terrible

1022
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: fit for Kyle Pitts. Yeah, he's going to succeed wherever

1023
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: he goes. And honestly, if wherever he goes would be

1024
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: an offense that would potentially bring him down, you would

1025
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: think initially, in my opinion, it's more likely that he

1026
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: just brings that offense up because that's how good he is.

1027
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: So there's no place that he goes that I think,

1028
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: oh boy, that that's just unless he goes behind Kittle

1029
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: or something goes in place within the league tight end,

1030
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: maybe that's an issue, but that's not gonna happen. That

1031
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: he's going to go to a team who wants an

1032
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: absolute superstar, UH, skill position player, and he will probably

1033
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: be the focal point of the offensive wherever he goes,

1034
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,799
Speaker 1: or at least it's very likely. So when we talk

1035
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: about in dynasty leagues now with him, UM, you know,

1036
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 1: I generally especially and I feel like in dynasty rookie

1037
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: drafts or startup drafts, you were sort of drafting based

1038
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: on the scarcity of the position and the potential of

1039
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: that guy, right could you make a case and I

1040
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: know that I don't think he's being considered as maybe

1041
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: the number one pick in dynasty rookie drafts, um, you know,

1042
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 1: outside of super flex or something like that, but could

1043
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: you make a case that look, considering the lack of

1044
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: depth at tight end right now and to have a

1045
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: guy who could potentially be that dude for a long time,

1046
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: could you make a case for making him the first

1047
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: rookie off the board in some dynasty drafts. Uh, let

1048
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 1: me answer it this way. On our podcast, UM, we

1049
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: tell when we when we scouted Kyle Pitts and we

1050
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,879
Speaker 1: kind of did the profile on him and we asked

1051
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: the question how high should he go? I said, guys,

1052
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: I'm struggling. You got you gotta rein me in here

1053
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: because I'm considering that he should be the one oh

1054
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: one in super flex rookie draft above these quarterbacks. That

1055
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: is how crazy good this guy is. And here's the thing, like,

1056
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: if you're at the one on one and you you

1057
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: do want a quarterback, you could trade down three spots

1058
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: and still get a good one and probably pick up

1059
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: a pick that you can also get Kyle Pitts with

1060
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: and in in a one QB league. Not only do

1061
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: I think it is, you know a case can be made.

1062
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,800
Speaker 1: I think it might be the best move, and I

1063
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,959
Speaker 1: love some of the other prospects. We're gonna talk about

1064
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: a receiver that I would also be happy getting at

1065
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: the one oh one. There's a couple running backs, a

1066
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: lot of people would be happy to get at the

1067
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: one at one, and some people would even take Trevor

1068
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: Lawrence with the one oh one. I think Kyle Pitts

1069
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: might be the best choice for the one oh one

1070
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: in a rookie draft one QB because he is as

1071
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: good or better a prospect than all these other guys.

1072
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 1: But like you mentioned, with the positional scarcity taken into account,

1073
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: it rockets him up. Everybody wants a Kiddle or Kelsey

1074
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,280
Speaker 1: on their Dynasty team. It feels almost like a necessity.

1075
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: And you were like, it's hard to say you were

1076
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: likely going to get that with Pits because that's such

1077
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: a you know, high claim. But honestly, you are likely

1078
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 1: to get that. That's how good I think he is.

1079
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: So yes, not only can a case be man, I

1080
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: think it's a great move. So all right, So obviously

1081
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: we've gotten Arkyle Pitts love out of the way. You've

1082
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: mentioned that there are so they're believing or not guys,

1083
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: there are other tight ends in this draft. Shocking, I know. Um,

1084
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: so after Pitts, who are saying your next year three

1085
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,720
Speaker 1: or four guys that that you're looking at? Uh, Definitely

1086
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: the next guy for me is Brevin Jordan's um and

1087
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: then after that would be Pat Friar with Brevin Jordan's

1088
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 1: out of Miami, Friar muth Is out of Penn State.

1089
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: Those are the two guys to me that I think

1090
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: are still uh, probably in like the second round conversation

1091
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: in terms of your rookie draft and maybe going somewhere

1092
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 1: in the second to third round, maybe fourth round. For

1093
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: Brevin Jordan, he's actually a little bit less complete of

1094
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: a tight end. So we'll probably go a little bit later,

1095
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: but for fantasy in your rookie draft, second or third

1096
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: round type of players. Brevin Jordan's extremely athletic, another one

1097
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: of those guys who you're gonna get really excited about

1098
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: as a speedy, athletic tight end who's going to be

1099
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: a game breaker. And Pat Friarmouth very very well rounded guy.

1100
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: A lot of people are calling him Baby Gronk. I

1101
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: think it's a bit rich, maybe for me, but he

1102
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: is very very solid, gonna be one of those guys

1103
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: that becomes kind of a possession tight end at the

1104
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: NFL level. I think who is going to be a

1105
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: very very valuable asset for their NFL team, you know,

1106
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: converting third downs, making scene plays that break off twenty

1107
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 1: yards and it's gonna be good for you both for

1108
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: whatever team drafts him and for your fantasy team. I

1109
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: think both these guys can contribute. Again, they're nowhere near

1110
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts, and they're not gonna be guys you're drafting

1111
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: in redraft, I don't think in one, but they're gonna

1112
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good dynasty stashes. And then after that,

1113
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: there's a couple other names that come much further down

1114
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: the list Hunter Long, Tray, McKitty or a a couple of guys,

1115
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: but they're gonna be much further blow this tier. In

1116
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: my opinion, I feel for for tight ends coming out

1117
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: of college now because uh t J. Hawkinson was labeled

1118
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: baby Gronk. Now we're talking about Pat Fryar was being baby.

1119
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: But like, let these let these guys live, right, Let's not,

1120
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: let's not try to attach them. You know, it's like

1121
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: for years in basketball, right, everybody was looking for the

1122
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:18,319
Speaker 1: next Michael Jordan. Now we're gonna be looking for the

1123
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: next Lebron. Like, let these dudes live and let them

1124
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: kind of create their own legacy. Let's not attach them

1125
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: to you know, some of the greatest players all time

1126
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: in the history of the sport. UM very curious to

1127
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: THEO what you think, because I feel like, you know,

1128
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 1: we have gotten into an age sort of specialization at

1129
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: a lot of different positions, and I think tight end

1130
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: is no different, especially now when you're seeing more teams

1131
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 1: run twelve personnel. You've got two tight ends on the field,

1132
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: and generally you've got one guy who may be better

1133
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: a sort of an inline blocker, right, can very much

1134
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 1: help in the run game, then you've got your guy

1135
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,879
Speaker 1: who's more of your move tight end, who can run routes,

1136
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: who can catch passes. Every once in a while you

1137
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: run into a guy who can do both. You get

1138
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: a Gronk, You get a George Kittle who can excel

1139
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: in both. But you know, those guys are really, really

1140
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 1: were rare, because now teams are sort of asking guys

1141
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,880
Speaker 1: to maybe specialize in one area versus the other. Do

1142
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: you feel like that's shortening the learning curve for tight

1143
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: ends and maybe getting us to a point where, um,

1144
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: we're not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and say

1145
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: that the tight ends are gonna be ready for you

1146
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: in year one, but maybe we are talking more about

1147
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: guys ready in year two then say three or four

1148
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: years down the road. In the past. Yeah, I think

1149
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 1: that definitely is the case, and I think there's maybe

1150
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 1: a couple of different reasons for it. You certainly hit

1151
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 1: on a good one, you know, the fact that they're

1152
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: kind of splitting the skill sets so that it's a

1153
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: little bit easier to succeed in one or the other.

1154
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 1: And for fantasy, obviously the receiving skill set is the

1155
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: one we want and so when guys get kind of pigeonholed,

1156
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: if you will, into that, and they're already good at that,

1157
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier for them to become prominent

1158
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: for fantasy and at the NFL level, Whereas if they

1159
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: were you know, ten fifteen years ago, where they had

1160
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: to be a good blocker and they weren't that yet,

1161
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: it would hold them back. Another thing I really think

1162
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: just kind of helps this, Uh what is the rising

1163
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: tides lift all boats? Is that the quote or something

1164
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: like that. As all these tight ends continue to be

1165
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: uh more focused on in NFL offenses, as the receiving

1166
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: tight end becomes a larger part of the game and

1167
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: we see more and more guys break out and become,

1168
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, very valuable offensive weapons for their team, I

1169
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: think that in itself helps the future of the position

1170
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 1: in terms of how quickly they develop. And I think

1171
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of two. Part One is because teams want

1172
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: a tight end who can be a big part of

1173
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: the offense quicker, they focus on that faster, and so

1174
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: as soon as they get drafted, they're developing that player

1175
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 1: to be an impact player sooner. Whereas you know, fIF

1176
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years ago, it was like, listen, we need

1177
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: you to basically block for this running back and sometimes

1178
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 1: we'll go out and catch a pass and we'll be

1179
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: nice for us. Um. The other thing is, because you know,

1180
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: we've we've got these gronks, Kittles, Kelsey's now Wallers to

1181
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: look up to college teams, college offenses, and college players

1182
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: are even getting a little bit more advanced earlier, and

1183
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: so by the time, like we're seeing with Kyle Pitts,

1184
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: that they get to the NFL level, we're looking at

1185
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: a guy who might be the most like developed past

1186
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: catching tight end as a rookie, maybe ever, certainly in

1187
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: recent memory. So I think there's a number of things

1188
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: that factor into this, But I think you're absolutely right

1189
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: that the learning curd is shortening. And we always talked

1190
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: about the three or four year breakout for tight ends.

1191
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: That might now become the two year breakout for tight

1192
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: ends much more commonly, which is exciting. Yeah. I mean,

1193
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: once upon a time it felt like tight ends were

1194
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: basically offensive linemen that had better hands. Yeah, that's kind

1195
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: of what it was, uh, And now tight ends are

1196
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: sort of turning into the pass catching tight ends at

1197
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: least they're basically like big body wide receivers almost. Um.

1198
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: And then you get a guy like Pitts, you just

1199
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: end up being potentially a matchup nightmare. Um. You know

1200
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: it is the seems to be the in the game

1201
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: and evolution for the position and uh, you know, look,

1202
01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say the tight end isn't deep yet. Um.

1203
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: Maybe we're inching towards that day. Who knows. Kyle's gonna help.

1204
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: He's gonna help absolutely before we get out here. And

1205
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: glad to have you. Will have you back next week

1206
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: to talk some running backs to one. I don't know

1207
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: if you saw this. Aaron Rodgers is hosting Jeopardy for

1208
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: like the next couple of weeks. Um. And so I

1209
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 1: didn't get to watch it. I've seen the clips. The

1210
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: one that's circulating is about the guy in Final Jeopardy

1211
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: who wrote, you know, why did you guys keep a

1212
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: field goal? Or something like that. Um. But I know

1213
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: our guy, Steve, our producer here, he's got thoughts. Um.

1214
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: You said you said before the show that you had

1215
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: never openly rooted against a Jeopardy host. And this is

1216
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: obviously your Lions fandom coming in here to play here

1217
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: watching the Packers quarterback host a game show. Um, and

1218
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 1: I just want to know, how exactly do you root

1219
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 1: against a game show? So, yeah, Aaron Rodgers is seventeen

1220
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: and five against the Lions. So it's really really easy

1221
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: to root against the game show host, but difficult to

1222
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: find something to get excited about. You know, I'm hoping

1223
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: he would mispronounce something or or screw up the transition

1224
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: to break because they got to stop, like right in

1225
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: the middle of the Q and A that all right,

1226
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: hold on, we gotta go to And unfortunately he nailed that.

1227
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a few things that I can I

1228
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: can point out to give him a tough time, Like,

1229
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, he looked like an old guy in

1230
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 1: that suit. It was weird. You see the photos. It was,

1231
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, it was weird, weird. His hair was sort

1232
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 1: of like combed over and slipped. It didn't it didn't

1233
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: look bad, No, no, not at all. And so throughout

1234
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,439
Speaker 1: the show he did a couple little cute things where

1235
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: there was a question about long John Silver and he

1236
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: made an horror sound and there's a Larry David thing,

1237
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,920
Speaker 1: and all the the people on Twitter freaked out about

1238
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: it because he showed some semblance of a personality. I

1239
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was sitting there pouting the whole time

1240
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: when oh, this is hilarious. Um yeah, like I I'm first,

1241
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: I'll have to let you know, Like you know that

1242
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 1: the show's taped in advanced so even if he did

1243
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:16,520
Speaker 1: screw up, they probably just cut it and liked it. Like,

1244
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's not I'm just let you

1245
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: in on those secret Jeopardy is not a live show.

1246
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 1: Uh so if you did screw up, you'll you'll never

1247
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: really know about it. And also having him host this

1248
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: reminded me of Um, you guys are probably not old

1249
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: enough to remember, but um, there was a Charger's Kicker

1250
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,959
Speaker 1: by the name of Ralph Bonershka who sometime in the

1251
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: eighties there was a daytime version of Wheel of Fortune

1252
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:45,040
Speaker 1: and Ralph Bonertika, who was the Charger's Kicker, hosted it

1253
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 1: for a short time. It didn't last long. It didn't

1254
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: really right well, I mean, you know, he was no

1255
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: Pat say Jack. Uh so it didn't last so, um,

1256
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I don't know other than

1257
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: they played football with the tie and is maybe maybe

1258
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers will be as successful or less successful than

1259
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 1: Rolf Finershka and that will make you happy. Steve, I

1260
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 1: have no idea, but you look it up. There's there's

1261
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: one thought I have on that. And in his effort

1262
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: to be successful at halftime the basketball game last night, Uh,

1263
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: he did an I G Live and Instagram live and

1264
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: the fan asked him about about it, he said, how

1265
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,240
Speaker 1: much time do you spend prepping? He said he spent

1266
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: fifty to a hundred hours watching old Jeopardy episode And

1267
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: I think if he spent fifty two hundred hours watching

1268
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: film getting ready for say the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, then

1269
01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: maybe they wouldn't have needed to worry about it. So

1270
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: it couldn't come to pass that the best thing for

1271
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: the Lions in in the NFC North is that he

1272
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: becomes the next host of Jeopardy. So maybe there's a

1273
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,560
Speaker 1: silver lining here. I can't wait for somebody to do

1274
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 1: like a behind the scenes like sitting on a Jeopardy

1275
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: watching film session with Aaron Rodgers, Like we gotta see

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Speaker 1: we can make that happen if we can sit in

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Speaker 1: and watch Jeopardy tape with with Aaron Rodgers, if he's

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Speaker 1: like running the clicker on Alex Trebec. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: in a sort of thing, and I see him doing

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Speaker 1: the fast forward rewind watching everything. Yeah, all that my

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Speaker 1: new detail. You know, how does he approach the contestants

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Speaker 1: when he asked him their lives story and all that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Well, I hope for your sake as

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Speaker 1: a long suffering Aliance fan, that he, like you know,

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Speaker 1: mispronounces some Latin term that we don't know. Um, lets

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Speaker 1: you feel better about the about watching Jeopardy for the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. So all right in the mean

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Speaker 1: side for us, that is it. We are done. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you hanging out with the NFL Fantasy Football show,

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Speaker 1: you know the drill. Tell two friends to tell two

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Speaker 1: friends rate review and remember can atheist be ensured for

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Speaker 1: acts of God? Be safe, take care of yourselves, wear

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Speaker 1: a mask, and we'll talk to you next week. M

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Speaker 1: the boat all about I don't know all