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Speaker 2: Before we begin, please note that for this story we

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Speaker 2: interviewed medium and everyone else for dozens of hours in Spanish.

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Speaker 2: We hired actors to voice their words in English.

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Speaker 3: It called me by surprise, suddenly there was another journalist

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Speaker 3: in Argentina investigating the death flights and seeing it in Pachinadose,

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Speaker 3: one of the country's most influential publications. Well, after all

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Speaker 3: this time investigating this alone with Giancarlo, this was our

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Speaker 3: story and ours alone. So I storm into my boss's

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Speaker 3: office at Canalre. I hand him the article and tell

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Speaker 3: him we're getting scooped on a huge story. He looks

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Speaker 3: at the article and downplays it, telling me, come on,

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Speaker 3: you have a lot more than this. I say, sure,

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Speaker 3: but look at how close he is.

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Speaker 2: From Orbit Media. I'm andres caa was schedo. This is

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Speaker 2: Avenger the story of Medium Lewin episode five the flight Logs.

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Speaker 2: Medium's boss had been dragging his feet for months, coming

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Speaker 2: up with one excuse after another to not pursue this story.

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Speaker 2: None of them made sense to Medium, but finally she

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Speaker 2: managed to corner him. The story was going to be

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Speaker 2: done one way or another. Medium's boss gives in, he

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Speaker 2: at Canal Trece. They want footage of that sky van

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Speaker 2: she and Giancarlo had located in Florida.

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Speaker 3: We need to see the planes, get our cameras there,

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Speaker 3: but we have to be careful. We can't just call

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Speaker 2: But while they're strategizing, Medium's boss tells her he can't

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Speaker 3: So I call Bruno, I explain what we need and

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Speaker 3: the information about the death flights.

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Speaker 4: When I get there, I realize the owner is not

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Speaker 4: aware of the plane's history and I can't remember why

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Speaker 3: Medium Bruno seeer.

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Speaker 2: Bruno confirms it's the plane, and then he tells her

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Speaker 5: I remember when Miriam called me. I was in Rome

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Speaker 5: having dinner with friends at the restaurant. I had to

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Speaker 3: I just hung up the phone with Bruno. In Florida,

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Speaker 5: I was excited, not cautious. I told her to stop

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Speaker 5: booked a flight to Buenos Aires right away.

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Speaker 2: Once they're both in Buenos Aires, Giancarlo and Medium start

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Speaker 5: A bunch of abbreviations and jargon in the logs that

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Speaker 3: We need someone who knows about planes and how that

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Speaker 5: I suggest going back to Enrica Pinero, but Medium won't

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Speaker 3: I was still bitter about Enrique saying no to us earlier. Also,

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Speaker 3: Canal Trece had already told me they did not want

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Speaker 2: One of Medium's coworkers has connections. She knows another pilot

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Speaker 3: We chose a cafe near Canal Trece.

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Speaker 2: Medium arrives a few minutes early. She's holding a plastic

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Speaker 3: I sit at a table with a view of a park,

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Speaker 3: She's actually an artist who is imprisoned with me. She

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Speaker 3: also survived. It's like a sign we're on the right track.

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Speaker 2: Medium orders a coffee and waits. Fifteen minutes go by,

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Speaker 2: She waits another fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 3: I try again, no answer, so I call my colleague

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Speaker 3: at Canal Tresi to see if anyone has left a message. No,

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Speaker 2: It's clear nobody is showing up. Medium is concerned. The

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Speaker 2: no messages. Medium's antennas go up. Her producers shift gears

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Speaker 3: We choose a new meeting place away from downtown and

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Speaker 2: By then, Medium knew how the death flights worked. What

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Speaker 2: she and gian Carlo couldn't figure out was how this

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Speaker 2: was recorded in the logs. The pilot helps and.

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Speaker 3: Right away he starts pointing out irregularities that catches attention.

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Speaker 3: For example, some flights took a lot longer than usual.

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Speaker 3: He tells me that doesn't make sense. A lot of

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Speaker 3: They shouldn't take very long. So I asked him, could

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Speaker 3: these be death flights? Yes, he says absolutely.

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Speaker 2: It's exactly what medium needs an expert who can point

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Speaker 3: These logs raise serious red flags. That's what we wanted,

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Speaker 2: But when she asks the pilot if he'll go on

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Speaker 3: He tells me that back in nineteen seventy eight, a

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Speaker 3: had moved up the ranks. He says he'll only talk

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Speaker 2: He's not the only person afraid of this story. It

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Speaker 2: turns out that the first pilot she wanted to meet,

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Speaker 2: the one who ghosted her, actually fled the country after

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Speaker 2: realizing what the meeting was about.

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Speaker 3: He freaked out and booked a flight to Uruguay. Didn't

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Speaker 2: This is one of the consequences of a country that

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Speaker 2: transitioned to democracy but left people who tortured and killed

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Speaker 3: Right former torturer, now working normal jobs, still in positions

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Speaker 2: They were trying to do whatever was necessary to keep

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and eight, a star witness in a

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Speaker 3: trial involving crimes by the dictatorship suddenly vanished. That impacted

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Speaker 3: a lot of survivors who decided to stop collaborating with

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Speaker 3: court proceedings out of fear.

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Speaker 5: There was definitely a culture of silence. But we still

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Speaker 5: needed an expert and someone who would go on the record.

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Speaker 5: So again I insisted we have to talk to Enrica Pinero.

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Speaker 5: He's not going to cower.

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Speaker 2: He has no fear and he loved to talk. He

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Speaker 3: I hated it, but Giancarlo was right. We had to

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Speaker 3: go back to Enrique.

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Speaker 2: Medium and Giancarlo are walking through a ritzy part of

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Speaker 3: It's a two story building with automatic doors. We go in,

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Speaker 3: then we're ushered into Enrique's office. He immediately hugs Giancarlo.

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Speaker 3: They laugh and exchange some words in Italian.

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Speaker 5: We show him the flight logs and video of the

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Speaker 6: They bring me this pile of papers, the technical log

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Speaker 6: a pilot list the duration of the flight, the departure,

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Speaker 6: the names of crew Members's cryptic on purpose. We use

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Speaker 6: sort of a traffic lingo. For example, zero point five

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Speaker 3: So we start seeing how flights that normally take two

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Speaker 6: And I come across a number of flights that just

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Speaker 6: there was a flight from arrow Parque to Punta del Indio,

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Speaker 6: normally a forty five minute flight. In the log it

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Speaker 6: appears as a four hour and fifty minute flight. What

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Speaker 6: do you mean? It's ludicrous, Darling, Where are you really going?

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Speaker 3: It's incredible. How come these logs weren't destroyed? I mean

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Speaker 3: the dictatorship tried so hard to keep the flights a secret.

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Speaker 6: Well, normally you don't mess with the technical logs. If

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Speaker 6: you want to sell the plane, the new owners have

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Speaker 6: to have access to that history. You can't just sell

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Speaker 6: or transfer planes without them.

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Speaker 2: But Enrique thinks there's another reason the logs weren't destroyed.

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Speaker 6: These people lived with a great sense of impunity. They

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Speaker 6: Miriam and jian Carlo they've struck gold.

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Speaker 5: Now Rique is fully on board.

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Speaker 2: They have to finish filming for the TV report. They

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Speaker 2: need footage.

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Speaker 3: We just have to go back to the Electra, the

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Speaker 2: Last time she couldn't go near that plane. It made

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Speaker 2: her sick, physically ill. This time, the trip to the

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Speaker 2: Junkyard turns into an expedition.

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Speaker 3: We had a mini convoy, me, Giancarlo, my producer, and

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Speaker 3: the camera operator. We park our cars in a straight

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Speaker 3: and I tell the cameraman to start recording.

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Speaker 2: The plane is right there waiting for them.

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Speaker 3: This huge plane suddenly rises up from the middle of

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Speaker 2: It might be a disappointment, a big disappointment after years

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Speaker 3: This TV report was just one step in our plan.

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Speaker 3: He makes this bold request for every branch of the

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Speaker 2: From Orbit Media, this is Avenger, the Story of Medium Lewin.

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Speaker 2: I'm your host and senior producer Andresca A. Scheedo. The

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Speaker 2: series was produced by es Seguielrodrie Sandino and edited by

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Speaker 2: and Austin Smith. Assistant producers andres Feschtenholz and Eleana Gillespian.

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Speaker 2: FactCheck Alejandro Marinelli and leonardos Canoni. Legal review Neil Rossini,

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Speaker 2: Casting director Paula Gammon Wilson. The executive producers from Orbit

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Speaker 2: Media are Steve Fishman Fisher Stevens, Marcy Wiseman, and Katie Springer.

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Speaker 2: The voice actors in Avenger include Alexis Blodel as Medium

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Speaker 2: Lewin Fulvio de la Volta as Giancarlo Serraudo, Gonzalo Vargas

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Speaker 2: as Endrique Pinedo, Edgardo Manono Castro as Bruno Vain, and

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Speaker 2: Camilla Victoriano, Joshua Weinstein and Jasmine Romeo. The rest of

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Speaker 2: the Sonodo production team includes senior producer Carmin Gratol, editor

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Speaker 2: for Rigo Crespo, Producer Paloma Navarro, Nicoletti, Evelyn Give, Marianna Cornello,

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Speaker 2: Sara Mota, Manuel Para, Hannah Baram and Tasha Sandoval. Special

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Speaker 2: thanks to Radio and Casa and Pomeranek Recording Studios in

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Speaker 2: Buenos Aires, and to Medium Newan and Giancarlo Serrado for

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Speaker 2: letting us tell their story. Thank you for listening.

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