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Speaker 1: but really containing today the future potentially of automotive racing

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Speaker 1: and Formula E. I mean, you can see the cars

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Speaker 1: there are such a rate of change in terms of

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Speaker 1: than Formula one on that point, But where does this

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Speaker 1: go as a business? How do you build the fan base? Well,

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Speaker 1: we've got the right person to ask that question too.

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Speaker 1: It's Jeff As, the CEO of Formulae, who joins us

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Speaker 1: now here at the race.

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Speaker 2: In the morning.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, welcome to Berlin. Yeah, thanks so much.

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Speaker 1: So listen, where are we right now on the journey

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Speaker 1: for Formulae. We're ten years in, you're a one year

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Speaker 1: into your tenure.

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Speaker 3: Where are we stand? So sure?

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Speaker 2: So Formula E started just ten years ago, so we're

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Speaker 2: effectively babies in the world a motor sport if you

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Speaker 2: compare that to something like Formula one.

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Speaker 3: Formula one around seventy five years old.

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Speaker 2: So we're at the start of our journey, but of

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Speaker 2: course we have this wonderful tailwind, this tailwind of electrification.

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Speaker 2: When Formulae was started just ten years ago, I think

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Speaker 2: that year there were three hundred thousand electric vehicles sold

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Speaker 2: at the moment, we still have that kind of eighty

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Speaker 3: We're pushing for.

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Speaker 1: And part of that journey is going to be for

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Speaker 1: So how do you make it not the sort of

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Speaker 2: Yes, so obviously everybody speaks to me. They speak to

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Speaker 2: me about the comparisons with Formula one, which is perfectly

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Speaker 2: logical because we're a world championship, we're single seat of

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Speaker 2: racing cars and we're racing on tracks. But when Formulae

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Speaker 2: was founded, it had three principles. One of those was

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Speaker 2: to be an elite world championship.

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Speaker 2: So it was all about racing, and we would argue

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Speaker 2: one the tech transfer to develop latest electric vehicle technology,

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Speaker 2: you see here racing today our manufacturer apartment. So you

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Speaker 2: see Porsche, Jaguar, Nissan, mahindrast antis Eart. You've seen manufacturers

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Speaker 3: Their road cars.

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Speaker 2: And the third thing we found it for was sustainability.

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Speaker 2: So we wanted to be a platform that could educate

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Speaker 3: So three things.

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Speaker 1: And so I mean the rate of change has been

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Speaker 3: What more is coming?

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Speaker 1: What does the sport look like in a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: So really the really simple answers to that is when

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Speaker 2: So we're attracting a different audience to traditional motorsport like

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Speaker 1: So here's the question, will it ever be fair so

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Speaker 2: But the reality is we view ourselves as an inclusive motorsports,

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Speaker 3: We want everyone to be presmably.

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Speaker 1: You want to grow your sponsorship, you want to grow

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Speaker 2: Right pace, we need to support our manufacturers here because

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Speaker 3: I think fan based, though, is a good proxy.

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Speaker 2: So when I started about a year ago, the fan

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Speaker 3: This is a business that's growing exceptionally.

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Speaker 1: Quickly, and in terms of the other thing that you

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Speaker 3: I think Tesla's unlikely, and I'll tell you why. I

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Speaker 2: So all of the teams here are racing on a

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Speaker 1: And in terms of your fan base and wererowing a

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Speaker 3: So Southeast Asia, across China.

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Speaker 2: We have over one hundred million fans in China alone,

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Speaker 1: here at Temple Hoff Raffeld Airport. The racetrack that's happening,

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