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Speaker 1: So everybody, if the audio sounds a little weird on

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Speaker 1: He's been pulling triple duty, run around setting up our

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Speaker 1: So Alex, I'm actually taking up for you. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I know, but hey, number number ninety five, you got

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Speaker 1: So Shop Talk number ninety five, everybody's about a guy

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Speaker 1: from our general sponsors. All right, everybody, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the shop. Shop Talk number ninety five being done via teams.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine telling nobody this like the level of

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Speaker 1: It is incredible to have just found out through a

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Speaker 2: So actually, that's I interviewed when I did this in

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Speaker 1: He ended up marrying that guy's sister.

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Speaker 2: It's like and even I just asked chatcha meto quickly

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Speaker 1: shop Talk number ninety five. Master Sergeant Roddy Edmunds, a

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