WEBVTT - Plant-Based Diets 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:11.200 Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.840 And welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:15.960 and Jerry's here too, and this is a good old 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:19.280 fashioned root and tune, down home episode of Stuff. 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:19.439 You Should Do. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.360 Technical difficulties, please stand by. 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.200 Yeah, we're a good twenty minutes late, Chuck. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.800 Man, because it's about to say me, it's not my fault. 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:34.760 No, it's not your fault. It's the computer's fault, right. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.199 Not even But who cares about computers? This is I mean, 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.440 this is probably literally the opposite of computers, because we're 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:43.640 talking about plants. 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:48.280 Yeah, yeah, I was gonna ask you, old school Chuck, 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.519 have you ever eaten a plant? 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.600 I love living things, so I do not kill plants and. 0:00:56.600 --> 0:01:02.280 Eat So are you a breathetarian? That's what they are, right, yeah, 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:03.440 where you just don't eat. 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.920 No, of course I eat plants, you know, Emily, I 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:11.920 would argue it has a plant based diet. Now that 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.920 I know that a plant based diet doesn't mean that 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:18.160 you're vegan or vegetarian. It just and you know, as 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.760 you'll see, depending on the percentage of the website you 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.880 look at a lot of people say like you know, 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:26.600 it really depends on how much you eat and a 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.840 certain percentage, like maybe eighty percent of your diet is 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:35.640 plant based, and that's easily Emily. She eats vegetables constantly. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.720 She always has like a radish in her hand. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.600 No, but there's just her meals. Like her meals she'll cook, 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.679 Like we try to eat the same stuff, but I 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.880 don't want to sit down and eat Brussels sprouts, broccoli 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:47.279 and cauliflower for dinner. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:49.400 That's a plant based diet for sure. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.640 Yeah, but she'll throw some chicken in there and some fish, 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:56.600 so she's sort of pescatarian plus maybe. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:58.800 Yeah, pesca poultry tarian. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:00.760 Yeah, I mean there's a lot of for all this stuff. 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:02.640 I didn't know about a third of these probably. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.000 Yeah, they all seem to fall under the umbrella term, 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:08.120 like you said, a plant based diet, so like a 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.400 vegan diet is a plant based diet, but not all 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.400 plant based diets are like vegan diets. Yeah, that kind 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:13.880 of set up. 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.880 I had never heard of blacktoe vegetarian, which basically means 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.680 you throw out all the rest, but I'll eat dairy. 0:02:20.880 --> 0:02:25.360 Yeah, understandable. There's also ovo vegetarian. These are terrible names, 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.520 by the way. Yeah, that means that you include eggs 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:31.280 in your vegan diet. 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.760 Yeah, not oval that would make even more sense, I think. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.200 No, it means that you include ovum in your diet. Yeah, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.639 but I should say it's not a vegan diet at all, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:46.519 Like you can't have any kind of animal products, Nope, 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.120 in a vegan diet, not just like meat or dairy 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.800 or eggs, but like vegan won't eat honey. Yeah, we 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.720 talked about fig wasps recently. They won't eat figs for 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:56.320 that reason. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:59.960 I think some vegans I found a lot of support 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:04.280 behind vegan saying like a processed wasp part and a 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:04.960 thing is fine. 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:07.960 Okay, I'll bet there's some that still won't. 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:08.680 Oh sure. 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:15.840 And then there's also lacto ovo vegetarian. You're a vegetarian, 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:20.959 but you eat eggs and dairy. There's lacto ovo bacon vegetarian. 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.320 And then there's what you said, Emily was pescatarian, which 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.480 is general. I mean you're essentially just you know, you're 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.239 eating more vegetables than the average person at this point. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:32.359 If you're a pescatarian. 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.280 I think that's right. No comment on what that does 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.839 to your butt. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.440 What if you just eat seafood, No. 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.760 If you eat nothing but broccoli and cauliflower all day long. 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.080 Oh yeah, not just your butt, but like the well 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:47.520 being of people around you too. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.120 Yeah, but it's it's very good for you. She's a 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:51.960 much healthier human than I am. 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:56.440 Nice, well, not the part that you're not as healthy, 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:57.840 but I'm glad that she is. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.600 Yeah. Of course, one thing we should go out early 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.200 on is that there's a sort of exhaustive look at 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.600 how much meat people eat around the world at a 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.720 certain point or kind of pepper throughout and just for 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:15.520 cops purposes. In the United States, we average per capita 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.160 meat consumption between one hundred and twenty three to one 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:23.080 hundred and fifty ish kilograms, depending on where you're looking. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.600 So just kind of put that in your in the back, 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:28.160 in your back pocket when we start talking about other countries. 0:04:28.800 --> 0:04:31.359 Yeah, that that really kind of came home to me 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.599 when I converted it to quarter pounders. Yeah, or in 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:39.559 Europe royale with cheese, that's thirteen and thirty two quarter 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:44.080 pounders a year. That means you're eating almost four quarter 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:47.720 pounders worth of meat a day every year. At one 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.080 hundred and fifty one point four kilograms. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.640 Man, if only you could do that and live. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.760 Right, that's called heaven, my friend. 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:58.719 So clearly with those kind of numbers that the US 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.720 is a meat based culture. I mean, plenty of people 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:04.839 here do not take part in that kind of thing, obviously, 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.480 but as you'll see, many cultures around the world historically 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.240 have plant based diets and still have plant based diets. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.280 Depending on who you ask, they might say there's about 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:19.320 two billion meat based eaters in the world and about 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.320 four billion plant based eaters. 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.200 Yeah, so I mean that's not too bad. They're really 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:28.160 holding things up because I mean, if actually that's more 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.159 than that's the majority. You're saying the majority of the 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:32.520 world is plant based. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:36.120 I'm saying two billion and four billion. I'm not weighing 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:37.120 in on percentages. 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.240 Okay, yeah, we will go around the world in a minute, 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:43.400 but let's go through history for a little bit first. Okay, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.240 because plant based diets, especially in the West, they're kind 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.240 of like a new thing. Maybe they came out of 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.840 the New Age movement in the seventies and eighties. No, 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.520 this is really old stuff. In fact, you can make 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.240 a really good case that plant based diets, especially a 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:05.120 flexitarian version, is essentially the default diet of humans. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.640 Yeah, I mean it's in some cases were actually in 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:12.280 a lot of cases, especially historically speaking, and still in 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.360 some places today, it's sort of the de facto diet 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:18.400 because that's what you have and you may not have 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.920 the kind of money to like go get really good 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:23.160 meat or something like that. So if you look back 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.920 through time and you go back to say like Ireland 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.360 in the nineteenth century, before the potato famin, they were 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.279 eating tons of potatoes there, or a lot of poor 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.760 people in iron that were like, hey, we can grow potatoes, 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:38.240 they have some vitamins and minerals. Maybe we can milk 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:41.880 a cow and eat a little pickled herring, but other 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.000 than that, we're eating lots and lots of potatoes. 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.599 Yeah, for sure. This is before the famine, when a 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.040 potato blight came and when the Irish immigrants really started 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.120 to come on mass to the United States in the 0:06:55.640 --> 0:07:00.760 nineteenth century, they were quite surprised at the abundance and 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:06.000 availability and cheapness of meat in the United States, and 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.600 that apparently dates back to colonial times where colonists in 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.400 well what would become the United States were eating more 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:17.640 meat than the average person back in England, Like they 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:21.280 were eating essentially the same amount of meat as elites 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.000 back in the UK. And that's the long standing thing 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:31.160 where meat consumption throughout history in most places is associated 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.560 with higher status and elite status. You're wealthier because it's 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.280 always been harder to come by. Well, the colonies had 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.160 a lot more land, so they could grow a lot 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.840 more livestock and then hence eat a lot more meat. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:48.200 Yeah, had a lot more land, asterist, right, and yeah, 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.080 everyone knows what we mean by that. Yeah. And you 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:54.360 know there's who helped us with the original version of this. 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:58.920 Was it Libya No Laura all right? The claw Claw, 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:04.040 doctor Claw. She dug up a grapt basically about how 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:09.520 Italians eat and prior to well, not that long ago, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.800 they ate what you would call the Mediterranean diet now, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:15.040 and they just called it what we eat because that's 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:21.400 what's around here, the diet. Yeah, exactly, fruit, vegetables, olive oil, lagomes, fish, cereals, 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:25.720 not a ton of dairy or meat. But they after 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:29.320 I believe after World War Two, they started eating a 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.880 lot more meat. Before that, it was basically a plant 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.960 based diet because as you'll see once again, no, no, 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.160 no choke, they're eating lots of fish. Plant based diet 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.880 is we're talking about meat here. The fish get a pass. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:44.719 I guess as far as plant based diet goes, it 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.199 does not mean vegetarian or vegan. 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:51.160 Right, And Italy followed the same trajectory that most nations 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.120 do once they reach a certain point of prosperity, meat 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:58.920 consumption to start going through the roof. Whereas before in 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.680 history elite like individual groups of people who are well 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.800 off or could afford beat, when an entire nation becomes 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.920 well off enough, they start buying meat. Meat consumption just 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:12.720 goes up. So after the war, Italy followed that. And 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:17.959 you'll see, like throughout throughout the world, the more prosperous 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.080 a nation, the higher their meat consumption. Yea, almost, it's 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:22.800 almost to a country. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.920 Yeah, which you know, a cynic might say, well, if 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.360 every nation was prosperous, everyone would just eat tons of meat, 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.960 and it sounds cynical, but like the data sort of 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:37.640 says what you just said, right. You know, if you 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:41.360 look at the US in the nineteenth century, they were 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.680 roundly encouraging the people eat lots and lots of meat. 0:09:45.559 --> 0:09:47.839 There was a cholera outbreak in eighteen thirty two in 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:51.560 the US government said eat more meat and drink more 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:56.439 alcohol and lay off the fruits and vegetables, obviously because 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.559 of cholera, but there was also just this idea in 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:05.080 America early on that like, you know, we're well fed 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.599 and we're well bred because we eat red meat and 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:10.000 we growing big here in the States. We're not sitting 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.800 around eating rice and grains and potatoes. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:17.480 Yeah, and that diet has just spread throughout the world. 0:10:17.480 --> 0:10:20.440 But again, it doesn't necessarily seem to mean because people 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.240 are emulating the United States. It just seems like the 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:27.760 United States was following a trajectory that other countries are now, right. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.600 Yeah, and hey, what a great time to set up 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:34.839 where countries are now because remember those numbers I told 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.640 you about the United States. We're going to walk you 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.320 around the world. Everybody not in the way back machine. 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:43.320 What do we call this when we're just currently go 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:54.760 far machine? Yeah, the go far and wide machine. Modern day, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:56.719 Jump in the go far and wide machine and come 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:01.000 with us at first to Africa. If you get continent wide, 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.600 the stat is about sixty five grams. I'm sorry, sixty 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:10.520 five kilograms of meat per capita. I wonder about that 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:14.240 number because if you break it down per country, South 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.720 Africa they eat about sixty five point two kilograms compared 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:23.280 to let's say, the Democratic Republic of Congo at just 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:27.760 over four kilograms. Who's eating more red meat in Africa 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:30.720 than South Africa to make that average sixty five? 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:35.000 I don't know. One thing that I recognized from researching 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.760 this is that there are so many stats that are 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.480 so different and estimates that are just so different. And 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.000 don't understand why it's so hard to track something like 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.400 meat consumption, Like we've got that so commoditized that I mean, 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.880 I don't understand how we can't track it. Even for 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.960 the United States. You rattled off three different estimates for 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.840 how much meat the United States eats, So who knows, Chuck, 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.840 Who really knows whether any of these numbers are correct 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:04.160 or not? 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.520 Well, no one's ever asked me how much meat I eat. 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.320 I could skew that. Oh really have you? 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:10.160 Oh? 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.160 I get that all the time usually because I have 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.600 like a big chunk of like steak in my teeth. 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.680 No, no, no, I mean like an official study, like 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:19.520 I don't know, I know, I'm just kidding do any 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.160 of that stuff. It's sort of like weird black magic 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:26.160 to me. But we do know that generally speaking, West 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.920 African nations eat a little more meat. It's a little 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:32.880 more meat heavy than East African nations. But even in 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.439 West Africa, that's again, I mean, if the average per 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.000 capita was sixty five kilograms, that's like less than half 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.640 the United States per capita. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.839 Right, Yeah, I'm guessing from what I could tell, the 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.640 United States leads the world in meat consumption. I'm sure 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.440 most other countries, depending on where they are, are going 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.360 to eat a lot less. But again, like you said, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.240 Africa is not some single bonolith, it has a bunch 0:12:57.280 --> 0:13:00.880 of different variation. Asia is the same way. On the whole. 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:05.120 Asia eats far less meat compared to one another. Some 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.400 eat more, some eat less, and you get all sorts 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.680 of weird little statistical blips that come up from that. 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:14.080 Yeah. If you look at the top ten countries around 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:18.040 the world with the highest rates of vegetarianism, India and 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.520 Taiwan are on there. So two of the top ten 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:24.800 are in Asia. Japan and China. They aren't on the 0:13:24.840 --> 0:13:28.400 list of top ten percentage vegetarian wise, but they eat 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.760 a lot less meat than the US at an average 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:34.840 per capita consumption under seventy five kilograms. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.480 Yeah, and Taiwan's a good example too. It has a 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.360 very high percentage of vegetarians, but it also has a 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.840 really high per capita meat consumption too, So it's just 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.559 basically wacky over there. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:57.520 Yeah, and this is another like if you look at Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, Minimar, Cambodia, Indonesia, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:02.199 and Vietnam, they're all under twenty kilograms and Thailand is 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:05.560 it like twenty five and Laos at thirty, So, I 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:08.280 mean that's way less than the seventy five average in 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:09.199 Japan and China. 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.760 Yeah, I would guess Thailand, and I'm not sure about Laos, 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:20.600 but I would guess Thailand is wealthier than probably memr 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.480 or Indonesia. I don't know about Vietnam, but I think 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.960 a lot of it also has to do with the religious, 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:30.960 like what religions are predominant there too. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.120 Yeah, which we'll get in. Well, actually take a break 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.080 before you do that, but we'll talk about India real quick, 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.400 because they have the highest proportion of vegetarians in the world, 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.000 close to forty percent thirty eight percent. Thirty nine percent 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:49.080 are vegetarian in India for you know, obvious reasons, and 0:14:49.240 --> 0:14:53.400 six point six kilograms of meat per capita compared to 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.720 as many as one hundred and fifty for the US. Yeah, exactly, 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:57.880 that's very low. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.120 It is very low. I say we take a break. 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.600 We're going to come back to the studio away from 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.320 the what was it, the far Go far and wide machine. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.640 Yeah, I love it. We're still inventing new ways to 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:11.120 travel in you're seventeen. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:17.360 It still has that new imaginary machine smell uh Yeah. Anyway, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.040 we're going to take a break everybody, and we'll figure 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:20.440 out what we're going to talk about next. 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:32.560 Learn and stuff with Joshua job stuff fu shine up. 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:58.760 All right, we're back, and we promised talk of religion 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:02.520 because who doesn't love that? But this is religion as 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.360 it relates to diet, because depending on your religion, there 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:08.640 may be a lot of you know, rules and restrictions 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:11.160 on what they say you should eat because of a 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:15.480 bunch of reasons. It can sometimes it shows like purity. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.040 Sometimes it's like no, it shows how dedicated and faithful 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:21.840 you are. Sometimes it's like, hey, you get at following rules, 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.000 don't eat this on this day, and let's see how 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.720 you do with that. But for whatever reason, there are 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:32.440 plenty of religions that have rules sort of surrounding meat, 0:16:32.760 --> 0:16:33.160 for sure. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.280 Yeah, some of the most famous ones are kosher. Yeah, 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.040 that's a big one where you have to actually separate 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.320 certain kinds of food, like you separate meat, separate dairy. 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:49.280 There's also like restrictions and guidelines on how animals are slaughtered. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.920 So it's not particularly vegetarian by nature keeping kosher is, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.000 but it makes you so much more mindful that a 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:01.040 lot of people just eventually end up being vegetarian just 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:06.600 by following a kosher diet. There's also halal is very similar. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.159 It has all sorts of permissions and bands and stuff 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.560 like that on what animals can be eaten. But it's 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.800 different in that like there's no shell fish alloutter birds 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:19.320 of prey, but you can eat rabbits. But they're both 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:24.040 similarish in that you really have to pay attention to 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.560 what you're eating if you are a genuine adherent of 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.000 this religious diet that's being prescribed to you. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:32.199 Yeah, and if you're wondering, like, well, how does that 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.720 affect the rate of vegetarianism in Israel, they are second 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:38.960 behind India. That's not the only factor, of course, but 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.720 I think the highest percentage of veganism is in Israel too, 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:47.000 which is Yeah. I don't know why that surprised me, 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.000 but it did. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:54.520 Okay, good noted there's I think. So this is another 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.439 thing too, like a lot of people just end up 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:01.560 being default vegetarians because of their religious diet. And another 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:05.520 good example is the Ethiopian Orthodox Christian Church, which we 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:09.120 talked about in our Holly Selassie episode. I think they 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:11.600 have two hundred days a year that are considered fast 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.320 days where you just can't eat meat but you can 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.119 eat plants. So I mean, for all intents and purposes, 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:22.080 you're at least the majority of the year of vegetarian 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.719 if you're Eastern Ethiopian Orthodox. 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:27.800 I wonder one hundred and sixty five days a year 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:33.320 they just party down on some steak probably what Seventh 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.800 Day Adventist. It's not a requirement to be a vegetarian, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.800 but they're like, it's not a bad way to live. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:39.760 They kind of endorse it. 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:44.560 Yeah, Remember they grew out of that whole William Keith 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.920 and John Kellogg movement of the nineteenth century. 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:53.440 Yeah, they endorse the movement generally, but about thirty six 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:58.879 percent end up lacto ovo vegetarians, and then sixteen percent 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:01.760 I'm sorry, an additional sixteen percent eat plant based diet 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.160 with maybe a little fish, maybe a little bit of meat. 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:12.640 Yeah. Buddhism is very connected to vegetarianism, like a straightforward 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:19.280 religious decree like kosher. Instead, it's linked to nonviolence, right, 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:23.520 So if you're your religion forbids violence, you can't really 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:26.080 cut the head off of a chicken and eat it 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:30.680 very easily. People still do in Buddhist countries, but it's 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:34.239 much more or it's much less common and frequent, and 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.480 in fact, apparently in Japan from six seventy five to 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:42.600 eighteen seventy two, meat was essentially banned in that country 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.000 because of the influence of Buddhism and Confucianism. 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:48.480 You gotta weight on that chicken to die of natural causes. 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.280 Just follow it around like a buzzard. 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:53.600 He's not looking so good. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.480 He looks a little pekin Hindu is. 0:19:57.560 --> 0:19:59.560 I love that word, by the way, good I'm going 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.560 I used. I heard that word last night on the 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.120 TV show The Pit, and I realized, I just don't 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:04.680 use it much. 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:07.560 You know what, I like? That's similar. It's peckish. 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:08.840 I like peckish as well. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:09.800 Yeah, me too. 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.160 Maybe our musical duo should be peaked and peckish. 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:17.160 Oh my god, that is that you just won the 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.800 band name contest, Chuck for all time. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:22.080 But everyone would be like who's peaked and who's peckish? 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.320 Like I think Josh is peaked and Chuck is peckish. 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.800 It wouldn't matter. We can both be would It would 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:28.680 depend on our mood on any given day? 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.440 Or perhaps we are both peaked and peckish. Yeah, at 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:35.080 all times. We're always hungry and we're always not looking 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:42.080 so good. Hinduism, at almost eighty percent, eats a plant 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.560 based diet, but they again, it's not required. It's just like, hey, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:49.160 why don't you do this? That kind of thing. Heavily suggested. 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:54.639 Maybe yeah, it's also I mean, especially since the Hindu 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:59.280 nationalist ruling party took over the Baratiya Janata Party BJP, 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:05.320 they have been enforcing like really strict rules that are 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.639 Hindu in nature against eating meat, so much so that 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.240 people have been beaten. I think one person at least 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:16.560 has been lynched. For eating meat or being associated with 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:20.800 the meat trade, specifically beef, because cows are considered sacred 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:30.040 in Hinduism, and also similarly in India, vegetarianism is linked 0:21:30.040 --> 0:21:36.200 to social status, in basically complete contradiction of what it's 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:40.080 like in say the West, where eating meat has long 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:44.200 been associated with being an elite or having high status. 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.360 Vegetarianism is in India. 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:48.280 Apparently all right, flip loped it. I love it. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.960 Yeah, And if you're like, wow, eighty percent of Hindus 0:21:52.119 --> 0:21:58.200 are vegetarian, it's pretty impressive. Prepare for this. Jans. These 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.720 are the people who are so against herting or killing 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.840 anything that they have little hand dust rooms that they 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.800 carry with them to dust off seats before they sit 0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:11.040 down so they don't actually accidentally kill a bud. Ninety 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:14.119 two percent of them and fifty nine percent of Sikhs 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:16.320 in India are all vegetarians. 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.679 And I guess eight percent of Jains are bad Jaans. 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:20.480 I guess. 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.000 So I mean, like, how would you show up to 0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:26.800 like the Jain meeting and show your face. 0:22:27.119 --> 0:22:29.720 Yeah, or show up to a Jaine party with a 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:34.280 raka ribs. That's probably not it's probably frowned upon. 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:35.439 I would say, I would think so. 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:38.119 All right, so if and of course I'm kidding no 0:22:38.440 --> 0:22:39.879 offense to any Jane's out. 0:22:39.720 --> 0:22:42.000 There, No, of course not. I'm sure they'd show up 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.479 and be like natural causes everybody be all check. 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.000 So, if you're gonna eat a plant based diet, it 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:51.960 can look at like a It can look many different 0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:55.600 ways depending on what you're into. We found some information 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:59.440 from Harvard Health. And obviously one thing that you're gonna 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.400 do is eats of veggies like Emily does. They say, like, hey, 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.960 fill half your plate up with veggies and vary the color. 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:07.679 Don't eat just like a bunch of green veggies. Like 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.199 eat veggies of all stripes and colors. 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.080