1
00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:11,200
Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

2
00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,840
Speaker 2: And welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck

3
00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:15,960
Speaker 2: and Jerry's here too, and this is a good old

4
00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,280
Speaker 2: fashioned root and tune, down home episode of Stuff.

5
00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:19,439
Speaker 3: You Should Do.

6
00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,360
Speaker 1: Technical difficulties, please stand by.

7
00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're a good twenty minutes late, Chuck.

8
00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,800
Speaker 1: Man, because it's about to say me, it's not my fault.

9
00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,760
Speaker 2: No, it's not your fault. It's the computer's fault, right.

10
00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,199
Speaker 1: Not even But who cares about computers? This is I mean,

11
00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,440
Speaker 1: this is probably literally the opposite of computers, because we're

12
00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:43,640
Speaker 1: talking about plants.

13
00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:48,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna ask you, old school Chuck,

14
00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,519
Speaker 2: have you ever eaten a plant?

15
00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,600
Speaker 1: I love living things, so I do not kill plants and.

16
00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,280
Speaker 2: Eat So are you a breathetarian? That's what they are, right, yeah,

17
00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:03,440
Speaker 2: where you just don't eat.

18
00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,920
Speaker 1: No, of course I eat plants, you know, Emily, I

19
00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,920
Speaker 1: would argue it has a plant based diet. Now that

20
00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,920
Speaker 1: I know that a plant based diet doesn't mean that

21
00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,160
Speaker 1: you're vegan or vegetarian. It just and you know, as

22
00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:21,760
Speaker 1: you'll see, depending on the percentage of the website you

23
00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,880
Speaker 1: look at a lot of people say like you know,

24
00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,600
Speaker 1: it really depends on how much you eat and a

25
00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,840
Speaker 1: certain percentage, like maybe eighty percent of your diet is

26
00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:35,640
Speaker 1: plant based, and that's easily Emily. She eats vegetables constantly.

27
00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,720
Speaker 2: She always has like a radish in her hand.

28
00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,600
Speaker 1: No, but there's just her meals. Like her meals she'll cook,

29
00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,679
Speaker 1: Like we try to eat the same stuff, but I

30
00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,880
Speaker 1: don't want to sit down and eat Brussels sprouts, broccoli

31
00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,279
Speaker 1: and cauliflower for dinner.

32
00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,400
Speaker 2: That's a plant based diet for sure.

33
00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she'll throw some chicken in there and some fish,

34
00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:56,600
Speaker 1: so she's sort of pescatarian plus maybe.

35
00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, pesca poultry tarian.

36
00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's a lot of for all this stuff.

37
00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know about a third of these probably.

38
00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they all seem to fall under the umbrella term,

39
00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,120
Speaker 2: like you said, a plant based diet, so like a

40
00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,400
Speaker 2: vegan diet is a plant based diet, but not all

41
00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,400
Speaker 2: plant based diets are like vegan diets. Yeah, that kind

42
00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:13,880
Speaker 2: of set up.

43
00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,880
Speaker 1: I had never heard of blacktoe vegetarian, which basically means

44
00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:19,680
Speaker 1: you throw out all the rest, but I'll eat dairy.

45
00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, understandable. There's also ovo vegetarian. These are terrible names,

46
00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,520
Speaker 2: by the way. Yeah, that means that you include eggs

47
00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,280
Speaker 2: in your vegan diet.

48
00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, not oval that would make even more sense, I think.

49
00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,200
Speaker 2: No, it means that you include ovum in your diet. Yeah,

50
00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,639
Speaker 2: but I should say it's not a vegan diet at all,

51
00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,519
Speaker 2: Like you can't have any kind of animal products, Nope,

52
00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,120
Speaker 2: in a vegan diet, not just like meat or dairy

53
00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,800
Speaker 2: or eggs, but like vegan won't eat honey. Yeah, we

54
00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,720
Speaker 2: talked about fig wasps recently. They won't eat figs for

55
00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:56,320
Speaker 2: that reason.

56
00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,960
Speaker 1: I think some vegans I found a lot of support

57
00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,280
Speaker 1: behind vegan saying like a processed wasp part and a

58
00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:04,960
Speaker 1: thing is fine.

59
00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,960
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll bet there's some that still won't.

60
00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:08,680
Speaker 1: Oh sure.

61
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,840
Speaker 2: And then there's also lacto ovo vegetarian. You're a vegetarian,

62
00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,959
Speaker 2: but you eat eggs and dairy. There's lacto ovo bacon vegetarian.

63
00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,320
Speaker 2: And then there's what you said, Emily was pescatarian, which

64
00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,480
Speaker 2: is general. I mean you're essentially just you know, you're

65
00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,239
Speaker 2: eating more vegetables than the average person at this point.

66
00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:32,359
Speaker 2: If you're a pescatarian.

67
00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,280
Speaker 1: I think that's right. No comment on what that does

68
00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,839
Speaker 1: to your butt.

69
00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,440
Speaker 2: What if you just eat seafood, No.

70
00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,760
Speaker 1: If you eat nothing but broccoli and cauliflower all day long.

71
00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, not just your butt, but like the well

72
00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:47,520
Speaker 2: being of people around you too.

73
00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's it's very good for you. She's a

74
00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,960
Speaker 1: much healthier human than I am.

75
00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,440
Speaker 2: Nice, well, not the part that you're not as healthy,

76
00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:57,840
Speaker 2: but I'm glad that she is.

77
00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. Of course, one thing we should go out early

78
00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,200
Speaker 1: on is that there's a sort of exhaustive look at

79
00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,600
Speaker 1: how much meat people eat around the world at a

80
00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,720
Speaker 1: certain point or kind of pepper throughout and just for

81
00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,520
Speaker 1: cops purposes. In the United States, we average per capita

82
00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,160
Speaker 1: meat consumption between one hundred and twenty three to one

83
00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:23,080
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty ish kilograms, depending on where you're looking.

84
00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,600
Speaker 1: So just kind of put that in your in the back,

85
00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,160
Speaker 1: in your back pocket when we start talking about other countries.

86
00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that really kind of came home to me

87
00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,599
Speaker 2: when I converted it to quarter pounders. Yeah, or in

88
00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,559
Speaker 2: Europe royale with cheese, that's thirteen and thirty two quarter

89
00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,080
Speaker 2: pounders a year. That means you're eating almost four quarter

90
00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,720
Speaker 2: pounders worth of meat a day every year. At one

91
00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,080
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty one point four kilograms.

92
00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,640
Speaker 1: Man, if only you could do that and live.

93
00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,760
Speaker 2: Right, that's called heaven, my friend.

94
00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,719
Speaker 1: So clearly with those kind of numbers that the US

95
00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,720
Speaker 1: is a meat based culture. I mean, plenty of people

96
00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,839
Speaker 1: here do not take part in that kind of thing, obviously,

97
00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,480
Speaker 1: but as you'll see, many cultures around the world historically

98
00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,240
Speaker 1: have plant based diets and still have plant based diets.

99
00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,280
Speaker 1: Depending on who you ask, they might say there's about

100
00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,320
Speaker 1: two billion meat based eaters in the world and about

101
00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:21,320
Speaker 1: four billion plant based eaters.

102
00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean that's not too bad. They're really

103
00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,160
Speaker 2: holding things up because I mean, if actually that's more

104
00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,159
Speaker 2: than that's the majority. You're saying the majority of the

105
00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,520
Speaker 2: world is plant based.

106
00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying two billion and four billion. I'm not weighing

107
00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:37,120
Speaker 1: in on percentages.

108
00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,240
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, we will go around the world in a minute,

109
00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,400
Speaker 2: but let's go through history for a little bit first. Okay,

110
00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:47,240
Speaker 2: because plant based diets, especially in the West, they're kind

111
00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,240
Speaker 2: of like a new thing. Maybe they came out of

112
00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,840
Speaker 2: the New Age movement in the seventies and eighties. No,

113
00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,520
Speaker 2: this is really old stuff. In fact, you can make

114
00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,240
Speaker 2: a really good case that plant based diets, especially a

115
00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:05,120
Speaker 2: flexitarian version, is essentially the default diet of humans.

116
00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's in some cases were actually in

117
00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,280
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, especially historically speaking, and still in

118
00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,360
Speaker 1: some places today, it's sort of the de facto diet

119
00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,400
Speaker 1: because that's what you have and you may not have

120
00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,920
Speaker 1: the kind of money to like go get really good

121
00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,160
Speaker 1: meat or something like that. So if you look back

122
00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,920
Speaker 1: through time and you go back to say like Ireland

123
00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,360
Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century, before the potato famin, they were

124
00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,279
Speaker 1: eating tons of potatoes there, or a lot of poor

125
00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,760
Speaker 1: people in iron that were like, hey, we can grow potatoes,

126
00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,240
Speaker 1: they have some vitamins and minerals. Maybe we can milk

127
00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,880
Speaker 1: a cow and eat a little pickled herring, but other

128
00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,000
Speaker 1: than that, we're eating lots and lots of potatoes.

129
00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. This is before the famine, when a

130
00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:52,040
Speaker 2: potato blight came and when the Irish immigrants really started

131
00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,120
Speaker 2: to come on mass to the United States in the

132
00:06:55,640 --> 00:07:00,760
Speaker 2: nineteenth century, they were quite surprised at the abundance and

133
00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:06,000
Speaker 2: availability and cheapness of meat in the United States, and

134
00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,600
Speaker 2: that apparently dates back to colonial times where colonists in

135
00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,400
Speaker 2: well what would become the United States were eating more

136
00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,640
Speaker 2: meat than the average person back in England, Like they

137
00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,280
Speaker 2: were eating essentially the same amount of meat as elites

138
00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:25,000
Speaker 2: back in the UK. And that's the long standing thing

139
00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:31,160
Speaker 2: where meat consumption throughout history in most places is associated

140
00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,560
Speaker 2: with higher status and elite status. You're wealthier because it's

141
00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,280
Speaker 2: always been harder to come by. Well, the colonies had

142
00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,160
Speaker 2: a lot more land, so they could grow a lot

143
00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,840
Speaker 2: more livestock and then hence eat a lot more meat.

144
00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, had a lot more land, asterist, right, and yeah,

145
00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,080
Speaker 1: everyone knows what we mean by that. Yeah. And you

146
00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,360
Speaker 1: know there's who helped us with the original version of this.

147
00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,920
Speaker 1: Was it Libya No Laura all right? The claw Claw,

148
00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:04,040
Speaker 1: doctor Claw. She dug up a grapt basically about how

149
00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:09,520
Speaker 1: Italians eat and prior to well, not that long ago,

150
00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,800
Speaker 1: they ate what you would call the Mediterranean diet now,

151
00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,040
Speaker 1: and they just called it what we eat because that's

152
00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:21,400
Speaker 1: what's around here, the diet. Yeah, exactly, fruit, vegetables, olive oil, lagomes, fish, cereals,

153
00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,720
Speaker 1: not a ton of dairy or meat. But they after

154
00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,320
Speaker 1: I believe after World War Two, they started eating a

155
00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,880
Speaker 1: lot more meat. Before that, it was basically a plant

156
00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,960
Speaker 1: based diet because as you'll see once again, no, no,

157
00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,160
Speaker 1: no choke, they're eating lots of fish. Plant based diet

158
00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,880
Speaker 1: is we're talking about meat here. The fish get a pass.

159
00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,719
Speaker 1: I guess as far as plant based diet goes, it

160
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,199
Speaker 1: does not mean vegetarian or vegan.

161
00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,160
Speaker 2: Right, And Italy followed the same trajectory that most nations

162
00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,120
Speaker 2: do once they reach a certain point of prosperity, meat

163
00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:58,920
Speaker 2: consumption to start going through the roof. Whereas before in

164
00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,680
Speaker 2: history elite like individual groups of people who are well

165
00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,800
Speaker 2: off or could afford beat, when an entire nation becomes

166
00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,920
Speaker 2: well off enough, they start buying meat. Meat consumption just

167
00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,720
Speaker 2: goes up. So after the war, Italy followed that. And

168
00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:17,959
Speaker 2: you'll see, like throughout throughout the world, the more prosperous

169
00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,080
Speaker 2: a nation, the higher their meat consumption. Yea, almost, it's

170
00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,800
Speaker 2: almost to a country.

171
00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, which you know, a cynic might say, well, if

172
00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,360
Speaker 1: every nation was prosperous, everyone would just eat tons of meat,

173
00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,960
Speaker 1: and it sounds cynical, but like the data sort of

174
00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:37,640
Speaker 1: says what you just said, right. You know, if you

175
00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,360
Speaker 1: look at the US in the nineteenth century, they were

176
00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,680
Speaker 1: roundly encouraging the people eat lots and lots of meat.

177
00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,839
Speaker 1: There was a cholera outbreak in eighteen thirty two in

178
00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:51,560
Speaker 1: the US government said eat more meat and drink more

179
00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,439
Speaker 1: alcohol and lay off the fruits and vegetables, obviously because

180
00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,559
Speaker 1: of cholera, but there was also just this idea in

181
00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,080
Speaker 1: America early on that like, you know, we're well fed

182
00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,599
Speaker 1: and we're well bred because we eat red meat and

183
00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000
Speaker 1: we growing big here in the States. We're not sitting

184
00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,800
Speaker 1: around eating rice and grains and potatoes.

185
00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that diet has just spread throughout the world.

186
00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,440
Speaker 2: But again, it doesn't necessarily seem to mean because people

187
00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,240
Speaker 2: are emulating the United States. It just seems like the

188
00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,760
Speaker 2: United States was following a trajectory that other countries are now, right.

189
00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and hey, what a great time to set up

190
00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,839
Speaker 1: where countries are now because remember those numbers I told

191
00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,640
Speaker 1: you about the United States. We're going to walk you

192
00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,320
Speaker 1: around the world. Everybody not in the way back machine.

193
00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,320
Speaker 1: What do we call this when we're just currently go

194
00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:54,760
Speaker 1: far machine? Yeah, the go far and wide machine. Modern day,

195
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,719
Speaker 1: Jump in the go far and wide machine and come

196
00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:01,000
Speaker 1: with us at first to Africa. If you get continent wide,

197
00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,600
Speaker 1: the stat is about sixty five grams. I'm sorry, sixty

198
00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:10,520
Speaker 1: five kilograms of meat per capita. I wonder about that

199
00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,240
Speaker 1: number because if you break it down per country, South

200
00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,720
Speaker 1: Africa they eat about sixty five point two kilograms compared

201
00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:23,280
Speaker 1: to let's say, the Democratic Republic of Congo at just

202
00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,760
Speaker 1: over four kilograms. Who's eating more red meat in Africa

203
00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,720
Speaker 1: than South Africa to make that average sixty five?

204
00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't know. One thing that I recognized from researching

205
00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,760
Speaker 2: this is that there are so many stats that are

206
00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:42,480
Speaker 2: so different and estimates that are just so different. And

207
00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:46,000
Speaker 2: don't understand why it's so hard to track something like

208
00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,400
Speaker 2: meat consumption, Like we've got that so commoditized that I mean,

209
00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,880
Speaker 2: I don't understand how we can't track it. Even for

210
00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,960
Speaker 2: the United States. You rattled off three different estimates for

211
00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,840
Speaker 2: how much meat the United States eats, So who knows, Chuck,

212
00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,840
Speaker 2: Who really knows whether any of these numbers are correct

213
00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:04,160
Speaker 2: or not?

214
00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,520
Speaker 1: Well, no one's ever asked me how much meat I eat.

215
00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,320
Speaker 1: I could skew that. Oh really have you?

216
00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:10,160
Speaker 3: Oh?

217
00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,160
Speaker 2: I get that all the time usually because I have

218
00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:15,600
Speaker 2: like a big chunk of like steak in my teeth.

219
00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,680
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I mean like an official study, like

220
00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, I know, I'm just kidding do any

221
00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,160
Speaker 1: of that stuff. It's sort of like weird black magic

222
00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,160
Speaker 1: to me. But we do know that generally speaking, West

223
00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,920
Speaker 1: African nations eat a little more meat. It's a little

224
00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,880
Speaker 1: more meat heavy than East African nations. But even in

225
00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,439
Speaker 1: West Africa, that's again, I mean, if the average per

226
00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:39,000
Speaker 1: capita was sixty five kilograms, that's like less than half

227
00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,640
Speaker 1: the United States per capita.

228
00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,839
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'm guessing from what I could tell, the

229
00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,640
Speaker 2: United States leads the world in meat consumption. I'm sure

230
00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,440
Speaker 2: most other countries, depending on where they are, are going

231
00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,360
Speaker 2: to eat a lot less. But again, like you said,

232
00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,240
Speaker 2: Africa is not some single bonolith, it has a bunch

233
00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,880
Speaker 2: of different variation. Asia is the same way. On the whole.

234
00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:05,120
Speaker 2: Asia eats far less meat compared to one another. Some

235
00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,400
Speaker 2: eat more, some eat less, and you get all sorts

236
00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,680
Speaker 2: of weird little statistical blips that come up from that.

237
00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you look at the top ten countries around

238
00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,040
Speaker 1: the world with the highest rates of vegetarianism, India and

239
00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,520
Speaker 1: Taiwan are on there. So two of the top ten

240
00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,800
Speaker 1: are in Asia. Japan and China. They aren't on the

241
00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,400
Speaker 1: list of top ten percentage vegetarian wise, but they eat

242
00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:30,760
Speaker 1: a lot less meat than the US at an average

243
00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,840
Speaker 1: per capita consumption under seventy five kilograms.

244
00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Taiwan's a good example too. It has a

245
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,360
Speaker 2: very high percentage of vegetarians, but it also has a

246
00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:46,840
Speaker 2: really high per capita meat consumption too, So it's just

247
00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:48,559
Speaker 2: basically wacky over there.

248
00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is another like if you look at Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal, Minimar, Cambodia, Indonesia,

249
00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,199
Speaker 1: and Vietnam, they're all under twenty kilograms and Thailand is

250
00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,560
Speaker 1: it like twenty five and Laos at thirty, So, I

251
00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,280
Speaker 1: mean that's way less than the seventy five average in

252
00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,199
Speaker 1: Japan and China.

253
00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:14,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would guess Thailand, and I'm not sure about Laos,

254
00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:20,600
Speaker 2: but I would guess Thailand is wealthier than probably memr

255
00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,480
Speaker 2: or Indonesia. I don't know about Vietnam, but I think

256
00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,960
Speaker 2: a lot of it also has to do with the religious,

257
00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,960
Speaker 2: like what religions are predominant there too.

258
00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, which we'll get in. Well, actually take a break

259
00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,080
Speaker 1: before you do that, but we'll talk about India real quick,

260
00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:40,400
Speaker 1: because they have the highest proportion of vegetarians in the world,

261
00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,000
Speaker 1: close to forty percent thirty eight percent. Thirty nine percent

262
00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,080
Speaker 1: are vegetarian in India for you know, obvious reasons, and

263
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,400
Speaker 1: six point six kilograms of meat per capita compared to

264
00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,720
Speaker 1: as many as one hundred and fifty for the US. Yeah, exactly,

265
00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:57,880
Speaker 1: that's very low.

266
00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,120
Speaker 2: It is very low. I say we take a break.

267
00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,600
Speaker 2: We're going to come back to the studio away from

268
00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,320
Speaker 2: the what was it, the far Go far and wide machine.

269
00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. We're still inventing new ways to

270
00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,120
Speaker 1: travel in you're seventeen.

271
00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:17,360
Speaker 2: It still has that new imaginary machine smell uh Yeah. Anyway,

272
00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,040
Speaker 2: we're going to take a break everybody, and we'll figure

273
00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,440
Speaker 2: out what we're going to talk about next.

274
00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,560
Speaker 1: Learn and stuff with Joshua job stuff fu shine up.

275
00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,760
Speaker 1: All right, we're back, and we promised talk of religion

276
00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,520
Speaker 1: because who doesn't love that? But this is religion as

277
00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,360
Speaker 1: it relates to diet, because depending on your religion, there

278
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:08,640
Speaker 1: may be a lot of you know, rules and restrictions

279
00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,160
Speaker 1: on what they say you should eat because of a

280
00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:15,480
Speaker 1: bunch of reasons. It can sometimes it shows like purity.

281
00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like no, it shows how dedicated and faithful

282
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,840
Speaker 1: you are. Sometimes it's like, hey, you get at following rules,

283
00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,000
Speaker 1: don't eat this on this day, and let's see how

284
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:27,720
Speaker 1: you do with that. But for whatever reason, there are

285
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,440
Speaker 1: plenty of religions that have rules sort of surrounding meat,

286
00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:33,160
Speaker 1: for sure.

287
00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the most famous ones are kosher. Yeah,

288
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,040
Speaker 2: that's a big one where you have to actually separate

289
00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,320
Speaker 2: certain kinds of food, like you separate meat, separate dairy.

290
00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:49,280
Speaker 2: There's also like restrictions and guidelines on how animals are slaughtered.

291
00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,920
Speaker 2: So it's not particularly vegetarian by nature keeping kosher is,

292
00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,000
Speaker 2: but it makes you so much more mindful that a

293
00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:01,040
Speaker 2: lot of people just eventually end up being vegetarian just

294
00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:06,600
Speaker 2: by following a kosher diet. There's also halal is very similar.

295
00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:10,159
Speaker 2: It has all sorts of permissions and bands and stuff

296
00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,560
Speaker 2: like that on what animals can be eaten. But it's

297
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,800
Speaker 2: different in that like there's no shell fish alloutter birds

298
00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,320
Speaker 2: of prey, but you can eat rabbits. But they're both

299
00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:24,040
Speaker 2: similarish in that you really have to pay attention to

300
00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,560
Speaker 2: what you're eating if you are a genuine adherent of

301
00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,000
Speaker 2: this religious diet that's being prescribed to you.

302
00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're wondering, like, well, how does that

303
00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,720
Speaker 1: affect the rate of vegetarianism in Israel, they are second

304
00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,960
Speaker 1: behind India. That's not the only factor, of course, but

305
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,720
Speaker 1: I think the highest percentage of veganism is in Israel too,

306
00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,000
Speaker 1: which is Yeah. I don't know why that surprised me,

307
00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,000
Speaker 1: but it did.

308
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:54,520
Speaker 2: Okay, good noted there's I think. So this is another

309
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,439
Speaker 2: thing too, like a lot of people just end up

310
00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 2: being default vegetarians because of their religious diet. And another

311
00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:05,520
Speaker 2: good example is the Ethiopian Orthodox Christian Church, which we

312
00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,120
Speaker 2: talked about in our Holly Selassie episode. I think they

313
00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,600
Speaker 2: have two hundred days a year that are considered fast

314
00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,320
Speaker 2: days where you just can't eat meat but you can

315
00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,119
Speaker 2: eat plants. So I mean, for all intents and purposes,

316
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:22,080
Speaker 2: you're at least the majority of the year of vegetarian

317
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,719
Speaker 2: if you're Eastern Ethiopian Orthodox.

318
00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,800
Speaker 1: I wonder one hundred and sixty five days a year

319
00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:33,320
Speaker 1: they just party down on some steak probably what Seventh

320
00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,800
Speaker 1: Day Adventist. It's not a requirement to be a vegetarian,

321
00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:38,800
Speaker 1: but they're like, it's not a bad way to live.

322
00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,760
Speaker 1: They kind of endorse it.

323
00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Remember they grew out of that whole William Keith

324
00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,920
Speaker 2: and John Kellogg movement of the nineteenth century.

325
00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, they endorse the movement generally, but about thirty six

326
00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:58,879
Speaker 1: percent end up lacto ovo vegetarians, and then sixteen percent

327
00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, an additional sixteen percent eat plant based diet

328
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,160
Speaker 1: with maybe a little fish, maybe a little bit of meat.

329
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Buddhism is very connected to vegetarianism, like a straightforward

330
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:19,280
Speaker 2: religious decree like kosher. Instead, it's linked to nonviolence, right,

331
00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,520
Speaker 2: So if you're your religion forbids violence, you can't really

332
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 2: cut the head off of a chicken and eat it

333
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,680
Speaker 2: very easily. People still do in Buddhist countries, but it's

334
00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,239
Speaker 2: much more or it's much less common and frequent, and

335
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:37,480
Speaker 2: in fact, apparently in Japan from six seventy five to

336
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:42,600
Speaker 2: eighteen seventy two, meat was essentially banned in that country

337
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,000
Speaker 2: because of the influence of Buddhism and Confucianism.

338
00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 1: You gotta weight on that chicken to die of natural causes.

339
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 2: Just follow it around like a buzzard.

340
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,600
Speaker 1: He's not looking so good.

341
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,480
Speaker 2: He looks a little pekin Hindu is.

342
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,560
Speaker 1: I love that word, by the way, good I'm going

343
00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,560
Speaker 1: I used. I heard that word last night on the

344
00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,120
Speaker 1: TV show The Pit, and I realized, I just don't

345
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:04,680
Speaker 1: use it much.

346
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 2: You know what, I like? That's similar. It's peckish.

347
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: I like peckish as well.

348
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.

349
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,160
Speaker 1: Maybe our musical duo should be peaked and peckish.

350
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is that you just won the

351
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: band name contest, Chuck for all time.

352
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: But everyone would be like who's peaked and who's peckish?

353
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 1: Like I think Josh is peaked and Chuck is peckish.

354
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: It wouldn't matter. We can both be would It would

355
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,680
Speaker 2: depend on our mood on any given day?

356
00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 1: Or perhaps we are both peaked and peckish. Yeah, at

357
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 1: all times. We're always hungry and we're always not looking

358
00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: so good. Hinduism, at almost eighty percent, eats a plant

359
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: based diet, but they again, it's not required. It's just like, hey,

360
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 1: why don't you do this? That kind of thing. Heavily suggested.

361
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, it's also I mean, especially since the Hindu

362
00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: nationalist ruling party took over the Baratiya Janata Party BJP,

363
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: they have been enforcing like really strict rules that are

364
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 2: Hindu in nature against eating meat, so much so that

365
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: people have been beaten. I think one person at least

366
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: has been lynched. For eating meat or being associated with

367
00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 2: the meat trade, specifically beef, because cows are considered sacred

368
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 2: in Hinduism, and also similarly in India, vegetarianism is linked

369
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 2: to social status, in basically complete contradiction of what it's

370
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: like in say the West, where eating meat has long

371
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 2: been associated with being an elite or having high status.

372
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,360
Speaker 2: Vegetarianism is in India.

373
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: Apparently all right, flip loped it. I love it.

374
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if you're like, wow, eighty percent of Hindus

375
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: are vegetarian, it's pretty impressive. Prepare for this. Jans. These

376
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: are the people who are so against herting or killing

377
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: anything that they have little hand dust rooms that they

378
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 2: carry with them to dust off seats before they sit

379
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: down so they don't actually accidentally kill a bud. Ninety

380
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,119
Speaker 2: two percent of them and fifty nine percent of Sikhs

381
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: in India are all vegetarians.

382
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: And I guess eight percent of Jains are bad Jaans.

383
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: I guess.

384
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 2: So I mean, like, how would you show up to

385
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: like the Jain meeting and show your face.

386
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, or show up to a Jaine party with a

387
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: raka ribs. That's probably not it's probably frowned upon.

388
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 2: I would say, I would think so.

389
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 1: All right, so if and of course I'm kidding no

390
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: offense to any Jane's out.

391
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 2: There, No, of course not. I'm sure they'd show up

392
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 2: and be like natural causes everybody be all check.

393
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: So, if you're gonna eat a plant based diet, it

394
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 1: can look at like a It can look many different

395
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 1: ways depending on what you're into. We found some information

396
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 1: from Harvard Health. And obviously one thing that you're gonna

397
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: do is eats of veggies like Emily does. They say, like, hey,

398
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,960
Speaker 1: fill half your plate up with veggies and vary the color.

399
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 1: Don't eat just like a bunch of green veggies. Like

400
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,199
Speaker 1: eat veggies of all stripes and colors.

401
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Get you some anthracyanins, why don't you.

402
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

403
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,040
Speaker 2: Also the way so these are like if you want

404
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 2: to start to get into vegetarianism, these are some easy

405
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: ways to kind of slide into it. Another one is

406
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: changing the way that you think about meat. Rather than

407
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 2: it being the center or the star of the meal,

408
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 2: just kind of put it to the side, like it

409
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily have to be you know, a thumb sized

410
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: piece of steak, but I mean, if it more you know,

411
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 2: kind of evenly resembled the grain or the greens on

412
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 2: your plate. That would make that would make a lot

413
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: more sense.

414
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll have the cream spinach, side of bructli and

415
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 1: a thumb of steak.

416
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: Right, it's funny, so I used thumb. So have you

417
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 2: ever heard that thing about a portion of meat being

418
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: no bigger than the palm of your hand.

419
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,919
Speaker 1: For like, that's the healthy way to eat meat. Yes,

420
00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I've heard that, but oh okay, I

421
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: could see that.

422
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:10,919
Speaker 2: So not just that. If you cup your hands that

423
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 2: you're serving of fruit and vegetables, and then your thumb

424
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: is your measure of fats like a nut, butter or

425
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 2: something like that.

426
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: Good.

427
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 2: There's a name for all this. It's called the zimbabwe

428
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 2: hand jive.

429
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: I can I've done that dance, but I did not

430
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 1: know that was a eating scale.

431
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: Well, so this guy in nineteen ninety three, doctor Kazim Mauji,

432
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: came up with this way of doing it and it's

433
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: been widely adopted. But I had no idea that's what

434
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: it was called.

435
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 1: It's a great name. What I do We host a

436
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: lot of especially in the spring and summertime, of people

437
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: when we go to the lake and just at our

438
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 1: house here we have we throw dinner parties. We just

439
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: do a lot of that kind of stuff. And aside

440
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: from being exhausting, one thing, I'm just kidding, it's actually

441
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. But one thing, yeah, I do.

442
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: And this goes along with like how you think about

443
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: meat and how much meat you have is I don't

444
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,160
Speaker 1: cook up, like, you know, twenty chicken breast. If there's

445
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: twenty people there, I cook up a bunch of you know,

446
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: whatever kind of cut of chicken and or steaks. Sometimes

447
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: they'll do a couple of meats and I will just

448
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: I will slice it all up on a big platter

449
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: and then you can just get a portion of something

450
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: rather than saying, like, here's a gigantic chicken breast on

451
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: your plate that you now feel responsible for. Right, And

452
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: people seem to really like that, you know, like maybe

453
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: I'll have a little bit of this and a little

454
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: bit of that and then the rest is our veggie sides.

455
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: Nice.

456
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's a tip from Chucky.

457
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you should just set up a carving station and

458
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: ask to see each person's thumb, right, Yeah, that'd save

459
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: you a bunch of money totally. So let's see what

460
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: else Oh. Another good one is to choose different fats, avocados,

461
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: olive oil, stuff like that, and then just cook at

462
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: least one vegetarian meal per week. Dip your toe in

463
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: the Yeah, and if you start doing these kind of things,

464
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 2: it's actually really easy to find yourself down the road,

465
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: like just doing it without thinking about it, and more

466
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 2: and more meals throughout the week become vegetarian. Because we'll

467
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: talk in a minute about why people do this, but

468
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: a lot of people stop eating as much meat for

469
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 2: health reasons or because they want to lose weight. And

470
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: if you just kind of start, like you said, dip

471
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 2: your toe in like this, it just becomes kind of

472
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: second nature over time.

473
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get used to something like that. And

474
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: I think what you'll find if you think you need

475
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: meat because like it's more filling, that's just not true.

476
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: You get plenty full eating all that other stuff, So

477
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, you can give it a whirl. I do

478
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: that stuff every now and then. Whole grains at breakfast

479
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: is great. This is basically again what Emily does. A

480
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: lot of oatmeal, buckwheat, barley, quinoa eat like a horse,

481
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: but not as much as a horse.

482
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: This is a big one. For me, chuck is eating

483
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: fruit for dessert because I don't ever eat something and

484
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: like a meal of any kind and not think like, okay, no,

485
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: I have to have something sweet. Oh really, I just

486
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 2: can't not do it. My brain's just as wired that

487
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,439
Speaker 2: way I am too. Yeah, okay, So if you just

488
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: eat like an apple or some strawberries or something like that,

489
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: it just short circuits that. It does it for you.

490
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have just retrained my brain to where I

491
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: don't seek that. And it's not like I was eating

492
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: dessert every night. Like the only time I literally have dessert,

493
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: like a dessert is kind of either if a bunch

494
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: of people are out to eat and it's an occasion

495
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: or maybe on vacation or something like that. But it's

496
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: not like even eating out in a restaurant. We never

497
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: eat dessert like that. But I have found just one

498
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: square of dark chocolate scratches that itch in a nice way.

499
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 2: It always feels like a punishment to me because it's

500
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: just one, just one, and it's dark chocolate.

501
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh you don't like dark chocolate.

502
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 2: It's fine, but it's not going to short circuit that dessert.

503
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: You know what. I used to not be into dark chocolate.

504
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: But I la la la love it now.

505
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah good, I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that. I'm

506
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: going to cut the legs out from under you in

507
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: a little while then.

508
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: But I don't do that every night, but I'll still,

509
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, when I want that, When I find myself

510
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 1: like God, I gotta have the sweet thing the night,

511
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: I'll do one square, sprinkle a couple of little dabs

512
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: of sea salt on top, and that that does it

513
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: for me.

514
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: My God, why don't you live in Brooklyn?

515
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: I know, because I don't have a manny store. Greens too, obviously,

516
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: like leafy vegetables, salads. Just eat as much stuff like

517
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: I love a salad. Emily make you know. She grows

518
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: that stuff and prepares fresh salads, makes her own salad dressing.

519
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: She's gotten more into cooking. She never used to do

520
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that at all, but she's that. I found

521
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: myself eating a lot more salad these days.

522
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: Right. And then the last one is, after you do

523
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: all these things, eat more vegetables, eat a vegetarian meal

524
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: once a week, eat a salad for dinner. This is

525
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: actually the key to the whole thing. Go to bed

526
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 2: really early so that your normal breakfast will come much

527
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: more quickly.

528
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: I don't eat breakfast. But yeah, that was a joke,

529
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: by the way, I know, I get it.

530
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: Okay, well, thanks for the laugh.

531
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: Support.

532
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: You want to take a break and then come back

533
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: and talk about why people become vegetarian vegan? Sure, okay,

534
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: Well we'll be right back again.

535
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Learn and stuff with Joshua job.

536
00:29:47,160 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: Stuff you shine up, Okay, Chuck.

537
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: I think I promised before we left that we talk

538
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 2: about why people become vegetarian. I already said health reasons,

539
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: which we'll get into more in a little while. But

540
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people just do it because it's just healthier.

541
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: Like if you want to eat healthier, most people don't

542
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: like double or triple down on fried chicken, like you

543
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: instead start turning to plants, you know, like people just

544
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: start eating more plants, And it's almost intuitive. I don't

545
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: think it even has anything to do with the nutritionists

546
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: set in the United States convincing people like plants are healthy.

547
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: I just feel like we just intuitively know that that

548
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: is healthier than eating like a steak or again fried chicken,

549
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: which I feel like there's a place for fried chicken.

550
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking that I mean, as you know, it's

551
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: my favorite food, and I just you know, I heard

552
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: you got to pick and choose of that stuff. But

553
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: it's not removed from my life, thank goodness. But you're

554
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 1: gonna get lots of vitamins and minerals and fiber and

555
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: antioxidants in your veggies if you eat legumes you eat

556
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: if you're a vegetarian, you probably eat lots of lagomes

557
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 1: and chick be's and lima beans and stuff like that. Soy,

558
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get lots of protein, amino acids, lots of

559
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: fiber and antioxidants there and also no cholesterol, which is

560
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: you know, I have cholesterol problems genetically speaking, so and

561
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people do. So that's a good way

562
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 1: to get your cholesterol down.

563
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's a lot of variety in just legumes alone,

564
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: Like rather than do you want the chicken or the fish,

565
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: there's something like twenty thousand species of legumes. And I

566
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: didn't know this. I ran across this chuck. There's a

567
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: category of food called neglected and underutilized legomes.

568
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: The status lagom have.

569
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: An acronym for n ul's right, And there's apparently a

570
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: ton of legrooms that are found around the world that

571
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 2: are known to like local cuisine that they're just waiting

572
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: to be adopted to kind of make the plant based

573
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: diet even more varied.

574
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's twenty thousand. I probably have had five. Yeah,

575
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: actually maybe more, but no, no, no.

576
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: I no, I know it to mean, Yeah, I just

577
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: had a night. So one of the one of the

578
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 2: ones I found was the Bombara ground nut. You would

579
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: make a trillion dollars if instead of a mayonnaise operation

580
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: you opened a Bombara ground nut operation in Brooklyn.

581
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure.

582
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean you would make so much cash, dude, overnight.

583
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: People just like saying ground nut.

584
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that Bombara really sells the ground nut if you.

585
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: Ask me, Yeah, for sure. Obviously. You know, we've mentioned

586
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: the concerns with red meat, but with beef and pork,

587
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: people have been you know, calling for years for less

588
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: of that in your diet, and you know, health practitioners

589
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: and doctors because obviously you know, heart attack, stroke, cancer,

590
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: all the things that can lead you in that direction

591
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: once you eat too much red meat.

592
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the medical consensus consensus is and remains so

593
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: that eating red meat, too much red meat is bad

594
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: for you. Like it just leads to all sorts of

595
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: negative health outcomes like stroke and heart attack, heart disease,

596
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: things like that. The problem is, despite that consensus, studies

597
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: still come out fairly regularly that question that idea, that

598
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: say no, it's not necessarily true, and they usually get

599
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 2: shouted down, but it's enough that it makes you, like,

600
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: some people question that. I feel like because the medical

601
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 2: consensus is that for now it's probably okay to kind

602
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: of follow that philosophy that less meat is healthier than

603
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: more meat.

604
00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Another big, big reason is is animal

605
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: welfare and just maybe your moral values as a human.

606
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: That is a lot of people switch over to vegetarianism

607
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: or veganism because the modern factory farming system in the

608
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: United States is a horror show and everybody knows this.

609
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: Some people some people do it anyway, but it's a

610
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: big reason, you know, Like vegans are like, no, all

611
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: animals have a right to life and a right to freedom,

612
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: and we're not doing it right here in the United States,

613
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to take part in it.

614
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole subcategory of veganism called ethical vegans,

615
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: and I think that they could shoulder their own episode

616
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: because the whole philosophy behind it, and like the way

617
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: that they live their lives. It's really interesting. And something

618
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: I ran across that they counter is the idea of

619
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: carnism eating meat not being normal and we just take

620
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 2: it for normal. And they they questioned that, They're like,

621
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: who said that eating meat is normal? And that that's

622
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: like why people why people like me can feel bad

623
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: when I pass like a truck full of cows on

624
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: their way to the slaughter on the highway and then

625
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: still go eat like a cheeseburger that same day. That

626
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: we just kind of have this idea that carnism is normal,

627
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 2: and vegans are like, no, that's not true. So I

628
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 2: found that fascinating. I kind of wanted to get into

629
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: it a little more.

630
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I'm not gonna tell that story. Mindful

631
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: eating is another one, which is I mean exactly what

632
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: it sounds like, just instead of like falling into a

633
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: pattern and I just I'll just eat that because that's

634
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: what I've always eaten, or you know, grabbed that thing

635
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: that's quick and brainless to put in my mouth.

636
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: Grab it by the horns.

637
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, to really just have a heightened awareness of what

638
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: you're eating what's going in your body and every impact

639
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: from your health to what it means to the world

640
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 1: and to that animal. Just being more mindful is another

641
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: reason that people will go to a plant based on it.

642
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's how people get to that from

643
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 2: like religious mandated diets.

644
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll put environmentalism in its own category because

645
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: there's a whole section on that. But that's another reason.

646
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: Okay, let's pick up health outcomes. Let's dive into a

647
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 2: little more.

648
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: So.

649
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: One of the things that people figure out pretty quickly

650
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: when they become vegans in particular, is that you can

651
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: get really unhealthy really quick just eating food that qualifies

652
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: as vegan food. There's a ton of process vegan food

653
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: out there. A lot of times, a lot of sweetener,

654
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: including just sugar, is added, and just basically eating packaged

655
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: food or even French fries as long as they're cooked

656
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: in vegetable oil, those are vegan. And everyone knows that

657
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 2: French fries aren't really good for you. So there is

658
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: like a whole kind of blind alley that you have

659
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 2: to watch out for when you get into veganness them.

660
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a vegan, but it's I can still

661
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: say you know, word of caution if you go that

662
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 1: route that you have to be more active in meal

663
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: planning and because what you really want to do is

664
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: eat whole foods and eat real foods. So if you're

665
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: like I'm going to go vegan and just sort of

666
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: buy the ultra process stuff that is technically vegan, you're

667
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: not doing yourself any health favors. I mean, you know

668
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: you're still doing and you know, as far as your

669
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: moral values are concerned, you're doing right by that. But

670
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: you want good outcomes all the way around, So just

671
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: lean toward whole foods and the Mediterranean diet, which again

672
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: people around the Mediterranean just call it eating that has

673
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 1: roundly been shown over the years to be kind of

674
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: the one of the ideal diets that you can lean toward.

675
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: I would say the ideal diet. I mean as far

676
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: as health outcomes go, like I can't imagine how much

677
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: this diet has been studied and result after results shows

678
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: that like some kinds of cancers, diabetes, cognitive decline, cardiovascular disease,

679
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: like these things are all lower in people who eat

680
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: like a Mediterranean diet, like that's just what they eat

681
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 2: than people who don't, especially regular meat.

682
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Eaters, Yeah, for sure. As far as the endividual, you know,

683
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: we'll kind of go through a little bit about like

684
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: who's deficient in what depending on what you eat. If

685
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: you're looking at protein and saturated fat, you're going to

686
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: have obviously, if you're a meat eater, you're going to

687
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: have the highest intake among anyone, and the lowest is

688
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: going to be among vegans. That's just makes a lot

689
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: of sense. If you're a vegetarian or a fish eater,

690
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be somewhere in the middle. And vegetarians are

691
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: more likely than meat or fish eaters to have as

692
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: a result, inadequate protein intake, and vegans even more likely

693
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: to have inadequate protein intake, I think, more than vegetarians.

694
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a long scene in Chestnut in like the

695
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 2: I guess I don't want to say bodybuilding communities, people

696
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: who work out like hardcore that you can't possibly be

697
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: ripped as a vegan and our stuff you should know.

698
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: Listener Doyle Wolfgang van Frankenstein, the guitarist for the Misfits.

699
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 2: He is just vegan to the core and he is

700
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: totally ripped, and in fact, he has his own protein

701
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: powder called vegan monster protein where you can get ripped

702
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: yourself if you want to and still be a vegan.

703
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: I think ripped vegan is that's got to already be

704
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: a band name.

705
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: Oh I wouldn't. Yeah, maybe that's his sideban his folk

706
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: side band.

707
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: Ripped vecan. You might have a vitamin B twelve deficiency

708
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: if you are a vegan, because plants don't have B twelve.

709
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: I think fifty two percent of vegans are B twelve deficient,

710
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: seven percent of vegetarians, and if you're a meat eater,

711
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: you have a less than one percent of being B

712
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: twelve deficient.

713
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: And that's a big deal too. I mean, like that

714
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: is a well known problem for vegans and vegetarians because

715
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: B twelve is used for red blood cell production, cell

716
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: wall production, nerve function, DNA production, and it's just not

717
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: in plants. It's in meat, it's in fish, it's in dairy.

718
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: So you really have to pay attention to that and

719
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: basically take B twelve supplements all the time to make

720
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: sure you don't become deficient because it's not good.

721
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Here's one thing though, and this is

722
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: something that was controlled for BMI. Even if you're a

723
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: vegetarian or vegan, you have a kind of a remarkably

724
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: a remarkable statistical risk or higher risk I guess, of

725
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: getting bone fracture than meat eater, and especially when it

726
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,959
Speaker 1: comes to your hips, the risk of hip fracture. With vegetarians,

727
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 1: you have a twenty five percent higher risk of fracturing

728
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: your hip as a vegetarian controlling for BMI again, and

729
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: vegans one hundred and thirty one percent higher chance of

730
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: hip fracture.

731
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I so part of it is that B twelve deficiency,

732
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: because B twelve helps produce bone and so bone density.

733
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: But I also wondered if vegans typically get less protein

734
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: and therefore have less muscle mass on average. Obviously you

735
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: can get ripped as a vegan, but not everyone does.

736
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: If you're more susceptible to falling, like you can lose

737
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 2: your balance more easily because you have slightly less muscle

738
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: mass than a meat eater, and then with less bone density,

739
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: if you do fall, you're more likely to break a bone.

740
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: Just my Yeah, I wonder, Yeah, yeah, I did mention cancer.

741
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: You know, I think we all often talk about like

742
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: heart attack and stroke and stuff like that by eating

743
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: too much red meat. But cancer is another factor that

744
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: I sort of briefly mentioned, but if you're a vegetarian

745
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: or a vegan, you have at ten to eighteen percent

746
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: lower risk of cancer than meat eaters. Although All calls

747
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: All calls mortality. That's another good band name. Man, that's

748
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 1: three band names.

749
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: All Mortality, Pekish, and peakd All calls.

750
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: See that can't be our band name because I can't

751
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: even say it. At the end of the show, All

752
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: cause mortality was not different, which is surprising between vegetarians

753
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: and meat eaters and vegans.

754
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, another thing that surprised me is that vegetarians have

755
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: a twenty percent higher risk of having a hemorrhagic stroke.

756
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: So we should say all of this data came from

757
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty one analysis of this British cohort of

758
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: sixty five thousand Brits that have been followed around since

759
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: the nineties. So they managed to look at twenty thousand vegetarians,

760
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: so this is a pretty robust study and they found

761
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: that they have a twenty percent higher risk of stroke.

762
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: They couldn't they couldn't determine that for vegans. I think

763
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: they only had like twenty five hundred in this cohort

764
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 2: but for stroke at least, they weren't able to figure

765
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: out how that affects vegan, and you would assume that

766
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: it would be even an even higher percentage for me.

767
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 2: But a hemorrhagic hemorrhagic stroke is where blood vessels in

768
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: your brain start bleeding. Again, that would make sense because

769
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 2: B twelve helps fortify sell walls, and I would think

770
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: the lack of red blood cell production would have something

771
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 2: to do with that too. So I think what we're

772
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 2: trying to say the upshot is is it's not just

773
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: like a slam dunk that you're going to be healthier

774
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 2: or your lifetime health outcomes are automatically going to be better.

775
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: But it's still I mean, it's just if your overall

776
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: or sorry, if you're all dash cause mortality is going

777
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: to be the same, then I don't know, I think

778
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: that kind of makes an argument to eat whichever makes

779
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: you feel best.

780
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's just a weird stat Yeah all dash cause Yeah,

781
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't explain that. Maybe someone will

782
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 1: have some more information on that. But earlier we did

783
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: promise an entire section on the invironmental impact of eating

784
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: animals because that is yet another reason and you know,

785
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: obviously people have all kinds of reasons, and it's usually

786
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: a combination of all these things. But we were learning

787
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: just it's become plainly obvious more and more this isn't

788
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: the kind of thing. I think that, especially in America,

789
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: people like to look at a lot in the past,

790
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: but it seems like in the last like fifteen years

791
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 1: or so, people are sounding the alarm like, hey, besides

792
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: ethical concerns and health and all that other stuff, like

793
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: raising animals is to eat is kind of a or

794
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: the way we do it as a disaster for the environment.

795
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a lot of misleading stats out there

796
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 2: that compare the amount of kilograms of greenhouse gas emissions

797
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 2: compared to the kilograms produced of something. Right, that doesn't

798
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 2: make any sense because kilogram of broccoli is a lot

799
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 2: less as far as food being spread among people kilogram

800
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: two point two pounds of beef. Right, you can feed

801
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 2: way more people with two point two pounds of beef

802
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 2: than you can with two point two pounds of broccoli.

803
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: So I get exactly at best. Yeah, But so some

804
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: people have said, well, let's just alter it a little bit,

805
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: so we'll measure the kilograms of greenhouse gas emissions for

806
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: every thousand calories produced, and so that makes it a

807
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: lot more apples to apples comparison. But even still, when

808
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: you alter it like that, the numbers essentially come out

809
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 2: the same, which is that meat production has a much

810
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 2: larger carbon footprint than almost any kind of plant production,

811
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: although there are some surprises like, for example, your beloved

812
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: dark chocolate has a larger carbon footprint than producing poultry

813
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: or pork chuck. How do you feel about your dark

814
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: chocolate assault on top of it?

815
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't kill that chocolate. You know, coffee and

816
00:45:56,120 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: chocolate are two pretty notorious you know, environmental disasters as

817
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: well on the on the non meat side for sure.

818
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 2: For sure. The reason why, apparently is demand. There's so

819
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: much demand for chocolate that the deforestation that results to

820
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: create more fields for cocoa production, that that just is

821
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: what's giving it such a huge footprint. And I think

822
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: coffee is relatively the same.

823
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: Overall.

824
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: Though.

825
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: I found a twenty nineteen study from Sustainability the Journal,

826
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: and they basically said thirty vegetarians have thirty three percent

827
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: lower greenhouse gas emissions based on their diet than a

828
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 2: vegan than meat, and a vegan diet has fifty three

829
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: percent lower greenhouse gas emissions. It's just that's just how

830
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: it goes.

831
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you're like, well, I like eating some meat,

832
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: the biggest s afenders there are beef, lamb and mutton.

833
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was weird.

834
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: Beef produces sixty kilograms of greenhouse gas per kilogram, and

835
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: a kilogram of poultry is only six. But you compare

836
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: that to a kilogram with just some English peas, that's

837
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: under one kilogram of greenhouse gas emissions produced. So you

838
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: might think that as far as water consumption goes, the

839
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: plants would far outpace like a meat diet because you

840
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: got a water vegetables. But generally there are just a

841
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: few plant based foods that have a bigger water footprint

842
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: than beef.

843
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, beef is just the worst offender of all, but livestock.

844
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 2: Raising livestock in general, apparently one fifth to one quarter

845
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: of all the water used by humans goes to raising livestock,

846
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: which is nuts. But the reason why is because not

847
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: only do you need water to keep that head of

848
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 2: cattle alive until you decide to kill it, you also

849
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: need water to grow the grain that you feed that

850
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: head of cattle. So they're just consuming all over the place,

851
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: especially as far as water is concerned.

852
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just so you know, there are like zero

853
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: sort of vegetables that out paste beef. The two that

854
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: do out paste beef that I was referring to our

855
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: chocolate and almonds.

856
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and who considers an almond of vegetable? Come on,

857
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: give it up.

858
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: And I think as far as lamb and mutton go,

859
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 1: the two other biggest defenders in the meat category, only cashews, pistachios,

860
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: and hazel nuts consume more water to produce than lamb

861
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: and mutton.

862
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: Hazel Nuts are so great, far and away the best.

863
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 1: Nut, you think, not the ground nut.

864
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: I haven't had one yet. Well, peanuts apparently are a

865
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: ground nut. I have not had the bombara ground nut yet,

866
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: so I should wait and reserve judgment.

867
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, peanuts they grow underground.

868
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: Right, Yep, they're a ground nut.

869
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: I can just see Jimmy Carter holding a big thing

870
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,879
Speaker 1: of peanuts and roots with dirt falling off of them.

871
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 2: All right, Pete and God bless that man.

872
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: That's right. The US maintains about nine billion, nine billion

873
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: livestock to get the meat that it needs or wants.

874
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: I guess is the better way to say it. And

875
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: if that grain went to humans, it'd be enough for

876
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: eight hundred and forty million people that have plant based diets.

877
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 3: Yes.

878
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: And there was another thing that I came across that

879
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised by totally makes sense, is

880
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: if we en mass as a species, humans essentially abandoned

881
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 2: livestock production, beef production, or meat production in favor of

882
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: a plant based diet. Just basically globally, the chance of

883
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: communicable diseases developing would drop drastically because seventy five percent

884
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,399
Speaker 2: of emerging communicable diseases are zoonotic, which means humans get

885
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: them from animals, and we make our closest contact with

886
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: animals through the livestock industry.

887
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a petting zeus.

888
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, as long as it wasn't grown in

889
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 2: a lab, you can kiss communicable diseases goodbye.

890
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other environment little disaster of raising livestock, and

891
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: this is more and more lately, is the habitat destruction

892
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: to raise all these animals. You're talking about extinction of

893
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: plant and animal species and thousands more being threatened in

894
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: the year's upcoming because of habitat destruction. And it's also

895
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 1: true for some kinds of agriculture. You know, we've talked

896
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: about palm oil cultivation being a big problem for a

897
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, specifically orangutang populations or at least by example,

898
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: but beef, once again, is the biggest factor. They drive

899
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: forty Beef drives forty percent of tropical deforestation globally, whereas

900
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: palm oil and soy, which are two sort offenders on

901
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: the other side, are only eighteen percent combined.

902
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: That's all just eighteen percent of deforestation.

903
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean the one takeaway here is beef

904
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: beef bad.

905
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: It's what's for dinner and what ruined the planet.

906
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's it's far and away leading the

907
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: way in all all the bad categories.

908
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 2: You know, it really does.

909
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: So.

910
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is we've just kind of touched

911
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: the surface, especially on the environmental impact. There's a lot

912
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: to dig into there if that interested you. But I

913
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: feel like we gave some good reasons for people to

914
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 2: adopt a plant based diet. I don't know if I'm

915
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: going too fully, but i'd like to think it's I'm

916
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 2: kind of part way there already.

917
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I eat more vegetables now. I eat way less

918
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 1: red meat than I used to. Yeah, for just like

919
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 1: all the reasons that we talked about.

920
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've cut my four quarter pounders with cheese every

921
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: day in half and I eat both halves. Since Chuck

922
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 2: kind of laughed at my last joke, I think everybody

923
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 2: that means we should probably slog along to listener Mayil.

924
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 1: That was a real laugh. That was an oh Josh laugh.

925
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I love those two.

926
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: All right, This this from a smithy because of us.

927
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, I saw this one.

928
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: Hey guys, I've always had a bit of an interest

929
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: in metalworking, and as of about five years ago, i've

930
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: had an interest in your show. I'd say your show

931
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: has been the longest running podcast of my life. Actually,

932
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: I remember listening to your episode about blacksmithing four years

933
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: ago and that kind of set off the domino effect

934
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: of me getting really into blacksmithing as a hobby. I'm

935
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: definitely one of those that like to collect hobbies, with

936
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 1: most passing in about six months and I never pick

937
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: it up again. But not true with blacksmithing. I've stuck

938
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: with it since your episode came out, and I'd like

939
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: to say I've come a long way with it. I've

940
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: attached to a few pictures of my work, which is

941
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: very good, by the way, starting with early works and

942
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: all the way to the two I completed about a

943
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: week ago. I thought you might be interested in seeing

944
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,760
Speaker 1: how your show kicked off one of my favorite hobbies

945
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: I've ever had, so thanks for that. And that is

946
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,919
Speaker 1: from Tate Avent and you can find Tate just look

947
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: up Tater makes t a I t E R m

948
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: a k e s and check out Tate's work.

949
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: Well, thanks a lot, Tate. That is awesome. Congratulations on

950
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: your awesome hobby getting so good at it, and we

951
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: really appreciate you letting us know that we had some

952
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 2: sort of small, tiny impact on you. We love hearing

953
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. If you want to be like

954
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: Tate and let us know that we had some small,

955
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: tiny impact on you, please send it via email to

956
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: stuff Podcasts at iHeartRadio dot com.

957
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

958
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: more podcasts my heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

959
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.