1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Welcome in our number two Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us. I know 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: that many of you are dealing with the impact of 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: this huge winter storm which has swept across the country. 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: Half of all the homes in Nashville right now do 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: not have power. I'm lucky enough to have power, but 7 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: I've got a friend who is working in my home studio, 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: law school buddy, whose family is without power as many 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: people are. He just drove over to the house right now. 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: Buck I sixty five, which is a main thoroughfare running 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: through Nashville, I believe in one direction, is shut down 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: because a semi truck took out a support structure for 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: a sign that is over the top of the Interstate. 14 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: So rhads are icy all over the place. Mississippi. A 15 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: lot of people in Louisiana, hundreds of thousands of people 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: are without power, frigid cold setting in So if you 17 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: have friends and family, hopefully you can reach out to 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: them and be able to do the best for them. 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: They shut down LaGuardia Airport yesterday. I think they shut 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: down Logan Airport in Boston. They shut down Washington National 21 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: Airport yesterday and over the weekend at some point in time. 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 1: So it has been a major issue all over the country. 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: And I know Ohio got massive amounts of snow. I'd 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: like to thank our producers for the Clay and Buck 25 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: Show who moved into hotel rooms because traveling in New 26 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: York City has been so difficult with the storm going on. So, 27 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: in addition to everything going on in Minneapolis, much of 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: the country grappling with probably the worst winter storm that 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: has existed in certainly many many years. Okay, let's update 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: you again. 31 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 2: News. 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: President Trump says he has talked with Tim Walls, governor 33 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: of Minnesota, and there has been an agreement to send 34 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: Tom Homan in to help manage things going forward there. 35 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: And so all of that is underway again with tons 36 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: of issues all over the place having to do with 37 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: weather related conditions, a lot of you want to weigh 38 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: in eight hundred and two A two two eight a 39 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: two on the shooting that took place over the weekend 40 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. We have been taking calls and breaking down 41 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: all of that. Buck, I think one of the big 42 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: stories that we haven't hit on. So we looked into 43 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: the specific of this shooting. There's going to be by 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: the way, a White House press briefing coming up soon. 45 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: We will be rolling on that. We may even go 46 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: to it live because I'm sure there will be a 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: lot of details surrounding all of that. The big picture 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: question that I think is continuing here is what do 49 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: you do going forward? Because look, Joe Biden let ten 50 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: million at least illegals into the country in four years. 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: Tom Holman has told us that he believes there's twenty 52 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: million illegals in the country. There are reports that maybe 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,399 Speaker 1: two and a half million, roughly of those illegals were 54 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: either deported by ice or voluntarily left Buck, that's around 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: ten percent. I think what's going on here, if you 56 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: want to if you want to think big picture, is 57 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: there's a quiet panic setting in in the Democrat Party 58 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: over this is my theory, and some of you may 59 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: or may not buy into this. I'm curious if you 60 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: buy into it. Buck. Over the twenty thirty census that 61 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: is coming up, the twenty twenty census, there's basically a 62 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: recognition that there was to a large degree a failure 63 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: of attribution of population, that Red states were undercounted, that 64 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: cost us in the electoral college and that it was 65 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: a major issue going forward in twenty thirty, given the 66 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: fact that the population of the illegal immigrants is declining, 67 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 1: and remember they count illegal immigrant populations for purposes of 68 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: the House seats, which means even if they can't vote, 69 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: they're still counted as part of the population. That's probably 70 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: a net benefit of around ten at least, maybe as 71 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: many as twenty seats for Democrats in the House. Given 72 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: that we're talking about a fifty to fifty country and 73 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: it comes down to a few seats who has control 74 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: of the House, this is pretty seismic, pretty impactful. So 75 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: I think what you're seeing here is actually a recognition 76 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: that the twenty thirty census could basically wipe Democrats out 77 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: of political power, and so they are fighting so hard 78 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: to try to keep people in the country because really, 79 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: when you get down to it, all of these people 80 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis showing up to protest the deport of people 81 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: who should never be in the country in the first 82 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: place is really kind of crazy. And so as you 83 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: break all of this down, I think that is the 84 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: underlying aspect of why this battle is taking place. Does 85 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: that make sense to you, Buck, Do you in some 86 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: way share my just sort of disbelief that all these 87 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: people are willing to show up. Unless you break it 88 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: down in that manner, it doesn't make sense. Yeah, look, Clay, 89 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: this is where the this is where the Trump opposition 90 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: was always going to consolidate. We said it after Trump 91 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: won the election, Right, you and I had a conversation. 92 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: We could probably go find it pretty easily. But you 93 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: and I had a conversation. We were talking about what 94 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: is going to be the next thing. Because they've exhausted 95 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: Russia collusion, they've exhausted prosecuted Trump, They all those things 96 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: no longer have the residents that they did, so now 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: it's on deportations and they understand that they'll be opportunities 98 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: for the of this to look you know, to look rough. 99 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: I mean the truth is law enforcement, and we have 100 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: a lot of cops listening current enformer. Sometimes it's a 101 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: rough business because at the end of the day, I mean, 102 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: this is why you see these videos where you have 103 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: these guys who were like, a I do not recognize 104 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: your authority When they're in a car and the cop 105 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: is like I'm telling you to give me your driver's license. 106 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: I'm going to pull you out of the car. You know, 107 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: go through this whole thing and they look, I do 108 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: not recognize your authority, and eventually they break through the glass. 109 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: They pull them because if you don't grab someone and 110 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: force them, then there's no law enforcement. This is what 111 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: people need to understand. And if people are going to 112 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: evade Immigrations and Customs enforcement and do everything they can 113 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: to continue to violate our immigration laws, cops are going 114 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: to find them. They're going to detain them and going 115 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: to make them leave the country. And that's not going 116 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: to be a pleasant thing. It's not going to be 117 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: something that people feel really great about. But I'll tell 118 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: you know. I have a friend who used to do 119 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: white collar defense. He's like, oh yeah, everyone thinks, you know, yeah, 120 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: we got to get the Wall Street fatcats. Until some 121 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: guy is nailed for insider trading and his wife and 122 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: his three kids are in the courtroom crying their eyes 123 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: out when he's going to go to prison for four 124 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: years or eight years or whatever it may be. It's 125 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: not a nice thing. You know, this is a At 126 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: some level, there has to be an understanding of what 127 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: reality is if you're going to have law and order, 128 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: which means that there have to be consequences. Now, those 129 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: consequences should be commensurate. 130 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: Right. 131 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, pepper spur everybody in the 132 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: face if they like, run a stop sign, but there 133 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: needs to be an understanding that you can't subvert an 134 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: entire policy agenda just because you don't like it. And 135 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: that's what's going on in Minneapolis, and it's a very 136 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: obvious play because it's not happening anywhere else. They've made 137 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: a decision and there's some interesting analyzes out there, some 138 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: of them have gone viral on X of you know, 139 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: we have so much counterinsurgency knowledge, both in this audience 140 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: and more broadly across America because of all of our 141 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: g WAT veterans who really live this stuff over many 142 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: tours in Iraq, many tours in Afghanistan, and they understand 143 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: decentralized cells, they understand command and control nodes, ways of 144 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: you know, going for hearts and minds, forcing overreach from 145 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: all of these things. Now, this is non lethal, well 146 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: non lethal so far on the part of the opposition, 147 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: and has resulted in some lethal encounters that they were hoping, 148 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: in my opinion, to create. Unfortunately, they want there to 149 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,479 Speaker 1: be use of force that becomes lethal in the opposition 150 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: to Trump or the people that are opposing what's going 151 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: on in Minneapolis, because that's what really is that really viscerally, 152 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: that really emotionally grabs people. So this is all all 153 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: in for the opposition, and I would just say, yeah, 154 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: I mean we need to adjust. Well, you're always adjusting tactics, 155 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: you know. I'm not opposed to adjusting tactics if that 156 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: makes it, but I am opposed to we just need 157 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: to kind of walk away from this enforcement operation because 158 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: it's making people sad or it's looking rough or whatever. 159 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: First of all, that's an abandonment of the rule of law. 160 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: Second of all, does anyone think that that's not going 161 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: to increase and encourage this in other cities? Do you 162 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: think this is the only place where they have a 163 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: Democrat governor and a Democrat mayor who working together with 164 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: clearly astro turfed and well funded direct action elements which 165 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: is what they call them in the kind of black 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: block street protest world. They can pull direct action elements 167 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: together in any major Democrat city to do this stuff, Clay, 168 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: and they will if this is successful. That's why we 169 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: have to really stay the course. Well, look, there's also 170 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: the reports out there that there is a massive signal 171 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: Chat signal is in you know, basically secured text message 172 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: transmission site. It's a sort of easy way to communicate 173 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: that's not as easy necessarily to hack as your iPhone 174 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: maybe or other text messages. Maybe that is directing people 175 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: exactly where the ICE raids are going on and saying 176 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: we need you to show up at this location. And 177 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: it's being run by some of the top Democrat politicians 178 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 1: in Minnesota. And I think what you were just pointing 179 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: out is something that is very very important. Ten times 180 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: as many people have been arrested in Texas and Florida 181 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: as have been arrested in Minnesota, yet we have seen 182 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: zero protests because by and large, the local police have 183 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: been cooperating with ICE in those locations. Here, the local 184 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: police have in many ways been engaging in direct obstruction themselves. 185 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: There are reports that Jade Vans put out that ICE 186 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: agents were surrounded, asked for local police help, and local 187 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 1: police refuse to respond to ICE request for help. And 188 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: so this is they have decided the front lines of 189 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: opposition to ICE. They're trying to win this battle in 190 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 1: Minneapolis because they believe if they win the battle in Minneapolis, 191 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: that they can then spread the same form of resistance 192 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: to other locations. And unfortunately, two people are dead that 193 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: would still be alive if they hadn't decided to show 194 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: up and try to obstruct ICE activities. And again go 195 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: back and read what was said about this in July 196 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: by Democrat officials. They said, we need to get shot, 197 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: We need to be in their faces, actually opposing them. 198 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: This wasn't a tragic accident. The larger picture was intentional 199 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: to try to create a violent interaction. That's the goal. 200 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,959 Speaker 1: And so the actual specifics of this incident are unfortunate, 201 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: but the method and process by which this situation was 202 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: created was very, very intentional. It was not accidental. And 203 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: I would just say to the extent that anybody's out 204 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: there listening right now now, you can be a Second 205 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: Amendment believer and also believe, as Buck pointed out in 206 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: the first hour, that doesn't mean you should take your 207 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: gun every single place in a protest is not the 208 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: best place, in my opinion, to be taking a gun 209 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: when you're trying to get in the face of ICE officials. 210 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: Because I really do believe this guy would still be 211 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: alive if he had not had a gun on his person, 212 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: he could have still been protesting. But I think that gun, 213 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: when you see some of these details in the way, 214 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: maybe it discharged accidentally, Maybe it put people in heightened 215 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: states of fear. Once that occurred, it created this unfortunate outcome, 216 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: And I think he'd be alive protesting still if he 217 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: didn't have the gun. Also, generally one of the reasons 218 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: why somebody would and I do conceal carrying, not as 219 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: much as I probably should, But the reason why you 220 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: will do that is to be able to defend yourself 221 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: in others if you need to. If you're going to 222 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: a place that's full of cops, what do you think 223 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: you're defending yourself against. And then if you're going to 224 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: place it's full of cops and you're going to antagonize that, yes, 225 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: what do you think you're defending yourself against. I mean, 226 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: there's no question of what this guy did was stupid. 227 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: The question is what was the reaction. Was there a 228 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: justified reaction from law enforcement here or not? Was it 229 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: a tragic accident or not. Now, an accident can be 230 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: something that is reasonable on the part of the officers, 231 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: or rather their response could be reasonable even if a 232 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 1: mistake was made, and that may well be where this 233 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: is going. But I totally agree with that officer or 234 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: a former officer called them last hour. We got to 235 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: see all the tape, We got to see everything, because 236 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 1: you have to be completely fair to these officers. And 237 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 1: I was talking about reaction times. You know, you're talking 238 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 1: about a one second when someone gets their hand on 239 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: a gun for you to make a decision. Now you 240 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: hear a bullet go off, you think people might say, oh, well, 241 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: the bullet went off. As far as they know, there 242 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 1: could be another fourteen or fifteen rounds waiting to go 243 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: off because the guy just shot off one. Now he's 244 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna wait and see if he gets you 245 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: gets some people. I'm just saying, if you put yourself 246 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: in the mindset of a cop who's wrestling with somebody 247 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: who has a gun, who's causing problems, and you hear 248 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: a gun go off, and you know you didn't shoot it, 249 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: and none of the other cops shot it, what are 250 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: you gonna do. That's that's where I think this is 251 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: really gonna turn. But again, Clay, the really tragic thing here, 252 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: other than skuy lost his life. Obviously, this is what 253 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: they wanted. Yes, they wanted a murky city. They wanted 254 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: to force How many times a day are they harassing 255 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: cops and doing all this stuff they wanted to you know, 256 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: they wanted a cop to skid out in his car 257 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: trying to go around one of these maniacts and hit 258 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: someone on the street, or they wanted that there be 259 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: an accident. They wanted someone to get shot. They wanted 260 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: this to happen. Yes, By the way, Caroline Levitt has 261 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: begun a White House press briefing. We will monitor that 262 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: talking about the winter storm and the situation in Minneapolis. 263 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure that there will be a lot of fireworks, 264 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: probably some questions that we will play for you and 265 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: statements just fi. We are monitoring that in real time. 266 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: They are covering it at Fox News and CNN, MSNBC, 267 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: MS now not covering it at all as is typically 268 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: their decision. Winter storm affecting tens of millions out over 269 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: the Atlantic for the most part, but Buck, I got 270 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of messages from our listeners, including one, I 271 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: want to pull this up and make sure that I 272 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: get it right. That was super interesting that one of 273 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:36,479 Speaker 1: our one of our listeners said, Hey, I was unable 274 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: to get in touch with my with my daughter but 275 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:46,359 Speaker 1: for the fact that she was in She was in Oxford, Mississippi, 276 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: where the Ole miss is, where it has been really 277 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: really brutal in terms of the ice and all the 278 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: loss of power. And he said the only way he 279 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: could get in touch with his daughter was rapid radios. 280 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: They had bought one of these just in case something 281 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: awful happened, just in case there was some sort of 282 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: calamity when it came to the weather, and he wanted 283 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: to be able to get in touch with his daughter, 284 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: and the only way he could get in touch with 285 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: her her cell phone wasn't working, phones in the dorms 286 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: were out, was rapid radios. And he sent me a 287 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: message and said, thank you. This is exactly why we 288 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: got them. 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As we are speaking 333 00:18:58,119 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: to all of you, We've got a couple of cut 334 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: from her that we are going to be playing on 335 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: this program shortly. But a lot of you wanting to 336 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: weigh in from across the country over the shooting and 337 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 1: the videos out there of the shooting as we are 338 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: reacting to the situation in Minneapolis. Let's see, I'll actually 339 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: want to go to a couple of different opinions. Go figure. 340 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: Let's start with Mick in South Carolina. Mick, you say 341 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: you are a use of force expert, former trooper. What 342 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: was your take based on the evidence that you have seen? 343 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 4: Well, first, what I would say, and you're in a turn. 344 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 4: You know, the video doesn't tell the whole scenario. You 345 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 4: have to look at all the evidence, the officers statements, 346 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 4: the policies and procedures of the of the agents, as 347 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 4: well as you apply the federal law, and then you 348 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,639 Speaker 4: render an opinion based on those facts. People jump to 349 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 4: conclusion and it's an emotional situation. But when you look 350 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 4: at it just the video, Yes, man had a firearm, 351 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 4: Apparently he was disarmed, and apparently it appeared that the 352 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 4: agents discharged after he was disarmed, not meaning he didn't 353 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 4: have another firearm. But what you have to look at 354 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 4: when you use deadly force, you have to say what 355 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 4: was the threat at the time you instituted deadly force, 356 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: and you made that the decision based on what that 357 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 4: individual did for you to be in fear for your 358 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 4: life to utilize deadly force and was it objectively reasonable 359 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,359 Speaker 4: or was not? And why you look at the time 360 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: the force was used based on what that individual did 361 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 4: at the time the officers discharged and that's what needs 362 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 4: to be looked at and analyzed and not just from 363 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 4: the conclusions based on the video, because again it does 364 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 4: not tell the entire story. 365 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's go to Rob in Roseville, Michigan. Firearms instructor. Rob, 366 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: you say, for fifty plus years, what do you think 367 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: based on the evidence that you have seen. 368 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: So far? And I'm just I just got home, so 369 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: I'm going through this at very slow speed. There is 370 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 2: a question whether or not he was disarmed as I'm 371 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: looking at it right now, but it appears that he 372 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: was disarmed before he was shot, which makes it really 373 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: a very questionable shooting. 374 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: Now, Yes, sorry to cut you off, but you would 375 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: have to go into whether, sorry Rob, whether the man 376 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: who fired knew that he was disarmed, because that's what 377 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about, because if this firearm discharged and they 378 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: say gun, he may or not in that moment have 379 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: been aware that this individual was disarmed. Just kind of 380 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: characterizing more of the details. 381 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: But continue of all the officers I've ever trained to 382 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 2: shoot when you do something in a situation like that, 383 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: because I disarmed people before, and I'm not an officer, 384 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 2: but I've trained a lot of officers, but I've been 385 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 2: in a lot of have been in my share of 386 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 2: shooting situations. When I disarmed somebody, I make sure everybody 387 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: around me knows that I disarmed him. Yeah, okay, yeah, 388 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 2: I cannot envision this officer disarming him and not saying so. 389 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 2: I still want to go through these videos at a 390 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: quarter speed and see just exactly this officer that turns 391 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 2: around that has the gun, that has a gun in 392 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 2: his hand. Is that his gun or is that this 393 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: man's gun. The other problem I have is that this 394 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: man is on the ground with his hands under his head, 395 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 2: even if he's got his gun on his side, which 396 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 2: he has every right to have. Period. That's the thing 397 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: that officers don't understand. Just because you have a firearm 398 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: does not make you a danger. Okay, why was he 399 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: shot if his hands weren't anywhere near his firearm? I 400 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 2: mean from the Daniel Shaver incident where they forced this 401 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 2: man to get up and walk backwards on his knees 402 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: while his legs were crossed, doing these circus tricks when 403 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: all they had to do after they got him laid 404 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: down at the end of the hat. 405 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: I just to jump in. I actually wrote a years 406 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: ago a piece that went viral on the Daniel to me, 407 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: the Daniel Shaver incident, I know it very well. I 408 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: went through all that video was clearly a murder, and 409 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: it's one of the most officer shootings of all time. 410 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: It was charged as a murder, but the jury did 411 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: not find him guilty of murder, which was absolutely appalling. 412 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, that video and the way that went down 413 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: was really haunting and horrible. Thank you for calling in. 414 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: Look I I I think that we're all pretty clear 415 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: here that this is a this is a two beat 416 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: determined facts still coming in situation on what went down here. 417 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: We've been talking about the lead up to it, the environment, 418 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: the totally unnecessary reality of people doing this kind of 419 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: stuff to ice. That's all clear, that's beyond dispute. What 420 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,479 Speaker 1: happened in this specific incident. We have to see all 421 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: the body camera footage, see exactly what happened and get 422 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 1: into some of this VIP email from Edward. He says, guys, 423 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: Navy Chief five deployment, dirt sailor, what's a dirt sailor? 424 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: I don't know what that is? Do you know what 425 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: that is? I don't know what that is? Now I 426 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: got to mind. My Navy in laws are gonna be like, 427 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? How can you not know what 428 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: a dirt sailor is? Anyway, Clay said an officer, possibly panic. No, 429 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: the officer reacted. Secondly, there's no such thing as an 430 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: accidental discharge. Proper terminology is negligent discharge. Chairs Well, mister Edward, 431 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: you are kind of correct and kind of not correct. 432 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: Actually what I was referring to, like, for example, what 433 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: I was on a rage and someone let one fly, 434 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: that was a negligent discharge. Yes, if you pull the 435 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: trigger you're not supposed to, that's a negligent discharge, an 436 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: accidental discharge. And you can even check the NRA terminology 437 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: on this. They keep it at a glossary of like 438 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: you know, gun terminology, just to kind of have a 439 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: one place, one stop shop. And accidental discharge would be 440 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: something that, for example, is a mechanical failure of the gun, 441 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: not user error. Now it's very rare, it does happen. 442 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: It is possible, though, right, it is possible that there 443 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: is a and so the it's a SIG three twenty. 444 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna people have written about this. Now it's a 445 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: SIG three to twenty that the guy had, not the 446 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: three sixty five X, which I actually used to own one, 447 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: which is a great gun. I love it. I love 448 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: a lot of Sig guns. The SIG three to twenty. 449 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: People get all uptight about whether or not it is 450 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: this is real or not? Does it have ADS? But 451 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: an accidental discharge, per the NRA terminology, is a mechanical 452 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: malfunction of the farm itself, not due to user air. 453 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: Is it a very very rare phenomenon, Yes, but it 454 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: does exist as a term, But negligent discharge is far 455 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: more common. This is a little bit clay like hang 456 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: fire versus missfire. Right, hang fire misfire is bad. That's 457 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: when you pull the trigger and nothing happens, but at 458 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: least nothing happens. Hang fire is very dangerous on a range. 459 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: It's when you pull and nothing happens and then it fires, right, 460 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: which can also happen. And that's something where people sometimes 461 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: will pull and then they forget that they got a 462 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: gun on their hands, and you know, bad things happen. So, yeah, 463 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: the terms, we got a lot of terms here VIP 464 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: email from uh, what do you want? What do you 465 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: wanna do? 466 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 2: Uh? 467 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: Michelle? Those officers don't have the luxury of hindsight or 468 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: slow motion replay. They can't wait to make a decision. 469 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,239 Speaker 1: Why is no one considering that? Well, Clay, I think 470 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: we could tell Michelle we very much are considering that. Yes, 471 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 1: I don't think we're Monday morning quarterbacking at all here. 472 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: I think we're saying we got to get all the 473 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: facts in and we you know, we have to be 474 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: just fair and accurate about the situation. The Renee renee 475 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: good thing was not that was not complicated in terms 476 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: of the officers acted lawfully based on the fact that 477 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: she hit one with her car. You can't do that. 478 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: You can't run a car. You can't run an officer 479 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: over or tempt to run an officer over and expect 480 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 1: that nothing's going to happen. This situation is certainly less clear, 481 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,479 Speaker 1: and this could end up being a bad shoot or 482 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: I don't know if we call it. Guy said clean, 483 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: shoot clean versus I've always heard bad and good from 484 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: a legal perspective, and not that you want to shoot someone, 485 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: but legally, a good shoot is something that is legal. 486 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: A bad shoot that is something that's not legal. I mean, 487 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: lawful probably the most accurate to describe it. So, yeah, 488 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: the way that I would analyze this is what Caroline 489 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: Levitt just said. Question, does the president believe the killing 490 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: was a mistake? Immediately after the Rene Good shooting, everybody 491 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: lined up and said and then the video comes out 492 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: and most people out there, I think, believe it's a tragedy, 493 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: but that the shooting was justified based on the behavior 494 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: of Rene Good. The President said it. Here's cut thirty two. 495 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: Caroline Levitt was just asked, does the president believe the 496 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: killing was a mistake? 497 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 3: Does the President believe that the killing Moe was a mistake? 498 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: Has he expressed that at all? 499 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,959 Speaker 5: Again, the President has said, you know, we have to 500 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 5: review it, and this investigation needs to continue, and he's 501 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 5: letting the facts on the investigation lead itself. 502 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's the right response from the president. 503 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 1: Let the investigation take place. Here's Caroline Levitt Buck as well, 504 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: reminding Americans. The reason why this entire situation exists, and 505 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,360 Speaker 1: I do think this is a paramount importance, is because 506 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: Biden lets so many illegals in during his term in 507 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: office Cut thirty one. 508 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 5: Former President Joe Biden and the Democrats opened America's borders 509 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 5: for four years, inviting tens of millions of illegal aliens 510 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 5: from all over the world to flood into our country, 511 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 5: among them violent criminals who terrorized American communities and have 512 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 5: inflicted devastating, permanent pain and harm on law abiding Americans 513 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 5: and their families. 514 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: Yet we never then we lost it. I think we 515 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: lost that cut as we were playing it, and we'll 516 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: come back. We're monitoring in real time. I'm sending a 517 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: bunch of clips as we are doing the show to 518 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: our team to make sure that we've got all of 519 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: the real time reactions, a variety of different stories that 520 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: are out there. Let's get this in. Jerry's been waiting 521 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: for a minute, Jerry, Saint Paul, Minnesota, what do you 522 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: think of what's going on? Basically in the Twin Cities there. 523 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 2: It's a different world. 524 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 6: It's it's cold, but give your guy who manages your 525 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 6: calls or race because it's been He's got a difficult job. 526 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: So Greg does a good job fielding as many calls 527 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: as he can, a lot of passionate people calling in. 528 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes people aren't even very nice to Greg and they're 529 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: just angry either Buck or me. So remember Greg didn't 530 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: say it's Bucker me who Just part of Greg's job 531 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: is it's always Greg's fault when it's not my father. 532 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 6: Well, I'm an extreme minority in the Twin Cities and 533 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 6: that both my wife and I are staunch Republicans and 534 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 6: stunts Trump fans and all that. But I've got I've 535 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 6: got a warning to myself into all of the GOP. 536 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,400 Speaker 6: I've had dinners the last two Saturday nights with longtime 537 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 6: friends who we'd probably call them old time Uh typical Democrats. Uh, 538 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 6: they are so angry. Uh, you cannot argue. I use 539 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 6: Caroline Lovett's conversation point. Well, let's go back to where 540 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 6: this problem started from. It goes nowhere. You know, we 541 00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 6: the GOP can be right on so many issues and 542 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 6: the other side can be so viled. But it's like 543 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 6: driving your car to an intersection. You could be right, 544 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 6: but if you get plowed into by somebody. You could 545 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 6: be right, but you could be dead right. And I'm 546 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 6: very afraid are in danger the gop of snatching defeat 547 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 6: from the jaws of victory. We should be winning this 548 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 6: next election, and man, we have to have a monster, 549 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 6: monster turnout because the other side is fired up and 550 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 6: it's not good news for us. 551 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call. I do think politically they 552 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: have been trying to turn Americans against Ice and against 553 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: President Trump's deportation policies. Their big loser buck, as you 554 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: well know, is on the border, and so this is 555 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: why their goal has been to find someone who is 556 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: a victim that they believe is innocent and turn it 557 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: into the story as opposed to what's going on. I 558 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: would also point this out, Minneapolis did not get super 559 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: aggressive against Ice until all the fraud story came out 560 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: and Tim Walls announced he wasn't gonna run. I do 561 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: think there is an element of trying to turn the 562 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: story away from the massive fraud, the Somali all those 563 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: issues into Ice as the bad guy. That seems quite 564 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: intentional to me. Oh, it's one hundred percent a tip 565 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: of the Iceberg situation. 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At least Tom 600 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: Holman looks like he is going to be stepping into 601 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,840 Speaker 1: the front and center up in Minnesota, and u DHS 602 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: Secretary Gnome may be focusing on some other aspects of 603 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 1: her portfolio for a few days or something like that. 604 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: We don't have all the details, but that seems to 605 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: be underway. We will get into that the messaging changes 606 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: here and any tactical re evaluation that's going to happen 607 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: from the Trump side of things. As long as they 608 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: continue with arrest and deportations, that's the right move. If 609 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: they think there's a savvier way to continue on that mission, well, 610 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: we shall see. We've got a lot of Caroline Levit, 611 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: by the way, in just the last half hour or 612 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: so at the White House explaining all this. We'll bring 613 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: that to you shortly. BB podcast listener Allison from LA 614 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: on the talkbacks hit It. 615 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 7: Hey, guys, this is Allison from LA. I just want 616 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 7: to say that bucks review of Titanic was absolutely epic 617 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 7: and just really got to the heart of the matter, 618 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,240 Speaker 7: and he needs to redo his Sinners review just one sentence, 619 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 7: one sentence that gets into the specifics of what was 620 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 7: wrong with the film. 621 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think you could distill it to just 622 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: one sentence, like you needed every fabric of the film. 623 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,480 Speaker 1: Every single thing in that movie I thought was terrible. Everything. 624 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: There's nothing in the movie that I thought was I 625 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: thought all of it was terrible, nothing redeemable, nothing, no 626 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: redeeming qualities whatsoever. I mean, here's here's a this. If 627 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: you google on sinners, if you go on sinners, what 628 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: is the underlying message of sinners? I am reading this 629 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: quote to you. The vampires represent white people or whiteness 630 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: as parasitic entities that drain life, culture, and vitality from 631 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: black communities. That's accurate, by the way, as in what 632 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 1: this movie depends is horrible. This is the worst garbage movie. 633 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: It's really, in a lot of ways, the most racist 634 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,279 Speaker 1: movie I've ever seen. I'm just gonna say that. It's 635 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: like the most racist movie ever is. You know, it's 636 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: like evil white people trying to steal all the cool, 637 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: Like the black guys are just having a party with 638 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,839 Speaker 1: great music, and they're trying to be vampires on them. 639 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: It's crazy.