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Speaker 2: What a time to be alive? How the hell are you?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I went to a terrible comedy show last night? Oh?

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Speaker 1: A buddy of mine who's like a big comedy guy

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Speaker 5: What's up boys, I'm pretty hype for this UFC card

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Speaker 1: It's another seven hours. You don't have to pay attention

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Cop rated six currently in the UFC flyweight standings.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot about timeline here that matters because There

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Speaker 2: A little Yeah, look quickly, we'll get into the matchup

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, indeed, all right, let's look at this matchup.

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Speaker 1: and make him fight in this kind of trench warfare

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Speaker 1: style of it that we know Royvil can do, I

435
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: think that boost his chance and also putting the pressure

436
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Speaker 1: on him from cardio perspective. Again, if you're a cop

437
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 1: and you're at range and you're you know, leg kicking

438
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 1: and circling out, or you're you're setting things up and

439
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: then coming with the long too, you know, you're you're

440
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Speaker 1: acting on your natural rhythm and schedule. You got to

441
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: take that away. So these are really about using strategy

442
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Speaker 1: to overcome athletic gifts.

443
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cops counterpunching with that quick twitch fiber, Luke, of

444
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 2: his reaction time is a big part of this matchup.

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Speaker 2: Four of cops last five wins have been knockouts, including

446
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Speaker 2: two in the first round or you know, knockout slash tko.

447
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 2: I think against Long Island's boy what's his name, Olma Bia,

448
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: thank you.

449
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 1: I believe by the way he was getting pressured in

450
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: the Cop fight, but he got I poked a bunch

451
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: and lost the fight, misking from it. So it's a

452
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,919
Speaker 1: weird win, you know.

453
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 2: Royvall on the flip side, three of his last five

454
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 2: wins have been by split decision against higher level competition.

455
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Speaker 2: But you see what's going on there, Luke, when you

456
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Speaker 2: look at the ground games that both bring into here,

457
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Speaker 2: we may not see that become a factor here because

458
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 2: both are you know, high paced strikers in a lot

459
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Speaker 2: of ways, or Cop as the perfect counterpuncher to that

460
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 2: style of Royval. But do you think we'll see Royval

461
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 2: do what he didn't do a lot against Van, which

462
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: is trying to take this fight to the ground.

463
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Speaker 1: So I thought about that. The problem is cop has

464
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Speaker 1: very good takedown defense. He's got like, I think eighty

465
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Speaker 1: percent or more takedown defensive rate. And even then he's like,

466
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Speaker 1: what was the last time you recall him being held

467
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Speaker 1: down for long stretches of around or having his back

468
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Speaker 1: taken for long stretches of a round. It can't happen.

469
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Speaker 1: There are, obviously some guys have had, you know, some

470
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Speaker 1: success in that regard, but nothing relatively recent and certainly

471
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Speaker 1: nothing you know in the in the current tape that

472
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Speaker 1: would lead you to believe this would be a particular vulnerability.

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Speaker 1: Now that being said, Royval's better than a lot of

474
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Speaker 1: these guys. You know, Macav's got good grappling and good

475
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: top control, good back control too. But you know, Brandon

476
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 1: Reyvle is certainly a different level than a lot of

477
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Speaker 1: these guys. But his wrestling, again, some of the athleticism difference,

478
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Speaker 1: I think here is going to show up. I really

479
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Speaker 1: believe some of these questions b C about this is

480
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: not me saying it can't be a sub. Again, I

481
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Speaker 1: go back and I always say this example, Mark Bochak,

482
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Speaker 1: one of these Canadian Grappling Champions. He fought mac Danzig.

483
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Speaker 1: He was much better than mac Danzig on the ground,

484
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Speaker 1: but he got tired and beat up, and so mac

485
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Speaker 1: Danzig was able to like, you know, knuckle him to

486
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Speaker 1: the ground and then eventually submit him. I can see

487
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Speaker 1: a scenario like that where Rouval can make an ugly fight.

488
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Speaker 1: Eventually Cop breaks and then he jumps Skeiotine or gets

489
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: to the back or you know something something at triangle.

490
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Speaker 1: Who knows something like that could happen. But just you know,

491
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: early rounds, the hips getting low, the sprawl, the immediate

492
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: physical reactions that Cop has, that's going to be I

493
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Speaker 1: think not a wise strategy for Rouval to pursue early.

494
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Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, let's talk to our betting expert Long Island, Luke.

495
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: You've got Cop here as nearly a three to one favorite.

496
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Speaker 2: I think rightfully, so Royval certainly in this fight. How

497
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: do you look at it from a betting standpoint.

498
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Speaker 5: I mean, there's definitely value on Royval. I'll probably end

499
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Speaker 5: up throwing something in on him. Honestly, I took the

500
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 5: over two and a half in a parlay. I think

501
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 5: this one goes long. My like official prediction would be

502
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Speaker 5: caught by decision. I think you can get that at

503
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 5: plus money on DraftKings right now, So like, that's.

504
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 4: Not a bad bet.

505
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Speaker 5: The roy Val spread bet they got it at plus

506
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 5: nine and a half right now at plus one oh five,

507
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 5: meaning two judges have to give him one round, which

508
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 5: really is totally doable. If this goes five rounds guess

509
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 5: to be a little worried it ends before that.

510
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Speaker 4: But uh, either way, I like this one to go along.

511
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 1: Can you bet? Can you bet on there being a foul?

512
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: No, at least not on DraftKings. Some sportsbooks might do that.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I could, I would make that one.

514
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cop to the balls.

515
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Speaker 3: You think.

516
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but fowls seem to follow him. I

517
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: don't quite get it, but you know all right.

518
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: Roy Vall has only been stopped one time in his

519
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: care That was in his first meeting with Brandon Moreno Luke.

520
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: As you look at this matchup here, I think the better,

521
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 2: maybe the better title matchup if this does produce that

522
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: is Cop. I want to see Cop on the title level.

523
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: I still feel like he's that mystery wild card who

524
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 2: can raise his game to another level. It's that plus

525
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 2: athleticism that mean streak that he carries with him despite

526
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: some unsavory comments. I sort of like his villainous aura

527
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: right there, and as much as I like Royvall, there

528
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 2: is this consistency that he can get very close to

529
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: that elite level and come up just short. I think

530
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Speaker 2: Cops a better fighter. I think cop By decision is

531
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Speaker 2: where it's ultimately angling here. How do you see this

532
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: main event playing out?

533
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love for Royal to win. We're big

534
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: with Brendan Weivill fans on the show. He seems like

535
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: a great guy. I love his moxie, I love his

536
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: fighting spirit, and I think he's definitely got a shot here.

537
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: Go into my head. I'm gonna go Cop. I just

538
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: seem to think that like his ability as we've talked about,

539
00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: to cover distance the takedown defence, It's gonna prove a

540
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 1: little bit too much. But I do think if Brendan

541
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: Reuvill can really put the pressure on him, make him

542
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: trade with him, this is a winnable fight for Brandon

543
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 1: Royble for sure.

544
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 2: I hope that if Cop wins, and if he does

545
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: it by stoppage or something dramatic, that he has a

546
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 2: very abrasive call out of Van Ready, because that's how

547
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: you get people's attention.

548
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 1: Luke, what you gotta do, apparently an MMA is to

549
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: call your opponent the six letter f slur and they

550
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: just start handing you out title shots.

551
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: You know what if he brings a guitar into the

552
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 2: post fight interview with him and just you.

553
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Know, it makes a sing a song about ejaculating.

554
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that might get over right there.

555
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's continue on down this card. There in

556
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: the co main event, Giga Chakadse, the well traveled veteran

557
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 2: here is a plus two forty five underdog in this

558
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: featherweight matchup against Luke's boy, Kevin Vaigels, who enters, according

559
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: to DraftKings at minus three to five. Luke, when you

560
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: look at this matchup, we've seen Giga try to cross

561
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Speaker 2: that threshold into the higher level, the true contention.

562
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: Uh.

563
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: Do you feel like this is a last stand for

564
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 2: him if he doesn't get it done here in this

565
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: featured gold Man.

566
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Hold on, I want you to say Giga Chikazi's opponent's

567
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: name one more.

568
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: Time, Kevin Vachos. No, that's what missus Thomas said.

569
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: It definitely, it's definitely not it's definitely not. So there

570
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: will be three interpretations that would be okay, the way

571
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: the Argentines would say it is by sche host because

572
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: it's a jay, it'd be Vajejos or Vajejos as my

573
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: wife would say.

574
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 2: Let me add this. By the way, Chikazi won his

575
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: first seven UFC fights through twenty twenty one, just three

576
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 2: and or sorry, just three and one, just one in

577
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 2: three since then Lucas.

578
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, but uh, he's also thirty seven, right, thirty seven.

579
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a brutal sport to agent. There's

580
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: simply no question about it. What was the original question?

581
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Because I just trampled all over it with.

582
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 2: My I mean, look at thirty seven. This is Giga

583
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: looking at win or go home basically.

584
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: Right here, I think so, I mean, look at his

585
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: last five lost to David Onama, a loss to Alan,

586
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: a win over Casseris, a loss to Calvin Cator, and

587
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: then a win over Barbosa. But now we're way far back.

588
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: And by the way, what does the winner for Barbosa.

589
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't nothing at the time, but it's

590
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: not like that's one that's going to age incredibly well.

591
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's left. He certainly had a

592
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: very dynamic game. When we talk about the Georgian takeover

593
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: of MMA, sometimes I feel like Gig is a little

594
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: bit forgotten, which I think is very unfair because he

595
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 1: has played a part in that larger process, and there's

596
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 1: a bunch of belt or guys, you know, like Chocoli

597
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: who's also been I think not given some credit for it.

598
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: Obviously Morob and Iliot would be leading that charge, but

599
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: I just think at thirty seven BC, this is a really, really,

600
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: really tough fight for him, and he's going up against

601
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: a guy who is technical, that is true, but is

602
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: a pressure guy when he needs to be, and a

603
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: fucking gunslinger. And I don't know, man, I think Giga

604
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: he's got some real abilities BC, but I think one

605
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: of the things that really worries me is his ability

606
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: to absorb damage. I don't think he's a super chinny,

607
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: but I don't think he's as resilient as he needs

608
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: to be, particularly under pressure. You know, we've seen what

609
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: this I feel like we've seen this fight before. It's

610
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: like Fador backing down cro Cop. Obviously they're much more decorated,

611
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: but you know what we're trying.

612
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: To make Careuke.

613
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, because the strategy in that was fad Or

614
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: constantly pressured into him and cro Cop could really never

615
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: get his feet settled and he didn't get super beat up.

616
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: But Fador's ability to encroach on his territory and then

617
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: check the kicks really just took away all of that

618
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: game and then Fador could do what he does best.

619
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,479
Speaker 1: I think you might see something a little similar in

620
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: that way, which are where by Jehos or however you

621
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: want to say, it is backing down Chikazi and Jaikazi's

622
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: throwing stuff. Some of it's landing, a lot of it's not,

623
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: but you're really going to be under the gun of

624
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: a guy who really bite down on the mouthpiece and

625
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: again has great pocket boxing as well. I think you're

626
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: going to see something like that.

627
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 2: Well, luke Va Jejos is just twenty four years old,

628
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: sixteen and one overall eleven knockouts. He of course has

629
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: that twenty twenty three the Loan Pro defeat to Lord

630
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: gn Silva in the Data White Contender series. He came

631
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: back a second chance the following year, won that by

632
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: first round TKO two to zero. In the UFC sense,

633
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: how high is the ceiling here for this guy, So

634
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty high.

635
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: I think we're also pretty early in this contest. I

636
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: think that or this race, I should say, I think that,

637
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, people seem to forget he's only twenty four

638
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: years old. We are, you know. I know josh Van

639
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: is champion at twenty four, but Josh Van is competing

640
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: in a very different division, still a very good one,

641
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: but not quite like this one. And I know everyone's

642
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: high on him, and he certainly wants to smoke too.

643
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: Plenty of reason to be excited. And I do think

644
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: we see, even considering more than that, that he can

645
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: do something potentially quite special. But he has to prove

646
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: it against an increasingly difficult or at a bare minimum,

647
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: increasingly important kind of win as he marches through you know, contenders.

648
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Speaker 1: This is an important one both from a stylistic standpoint

649
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Speaker 1: as well as you know, getting some name value from

650
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Speaker 1: a known opponent at least a hard course, and then

651
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: as well as I mentioned, like sort of solving a

652
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: bit of a technical problem. You got a guy who

653
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: you can do it against his aging. But these are

654
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: like these important junctures. So I'm pretty high on him,

655
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: champion level. I don't know, wouldn't rule it out, but

656
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: I just feel like, you know, having a strong feeling

657
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: that a guy's going to be champion with what we've

658
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: seen with him on tape, I don't think is crazy,

659
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: but to me feels a little premature. I just want

660
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: to see a more evidence of what he can do.

661
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, interesting matchup though, given the veteran striking skills

662
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: of Chakadz against the high riser here in via Jehols.

663
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that.

664
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Speaker 1: Look Vali Jos Valley jokes in.

665
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: This featherweight division, talk about a banger here, and it's

666
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: a virtual pick on the betting lines as Melky Costa

667
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: welcomes Morgan Charier. Yeah, that's right. That's a good pronunciation. Uh.

668
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: According to DraftKings, minus one twelve for Costa, minus one

669
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 2: o eight for Sharia. What do you love about this matchup?

670
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Okay, so a few different things. Morgan again, Chahie, I

671
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: don't know how you say that one.

672
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 2: You ever hear you ever hear Shaq MAJORI pronounce uh

673
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Cyril Gohan's first name. It makes me just feel all

674
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 2: weird inside.

675
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: What does he say?

676
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: He's like Seadel gone sal gon A. I'm just like

677
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: just call him serious French. Uh he is he was

678
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,239
Speaker 2: born in Montreal, all right, I don't know.

679
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if he does does does Abroon speak French?

680
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: Maybe a little, but I don't think like fluently.

681
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I mean, look, Shack Majory is a weird

682
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: human being. Let's be honest about that. Like, you know,

683
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: he just you know, he's like a human skin tag.

684
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: He just you know, you just go wherever you go,

685
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: you froll. No, I'm teasing, I'm teasing. I like this

686
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: fight a lot. I particularly like the run that Costa

687
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: has been on. You know you kind of mentioned it,

688
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: But the last three Andre Feeley, Christian see Rock, Christian

689
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: Rodriguez and then Juliana Rosa. Dude, these are pretty fucking

690
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: good names. Morgan Sharierra again, please forgive my pronunciation, has

691
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: been kind of like a staple on these French cards

692
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: and putting together some pretty decent performances. But I feel

693
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: like Melki Costa, who is kind of up and down

694
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: for a little bit, has really started to put it together.

695
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: I know Long Island Luke has been excited about him

696
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: for some time, and I have as well, I actually

697
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: kind of like this matchup a lot. I feel like

698
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: coming here, going is a bit of a strong word,

699
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: but for Costa to build on something like this, I

700
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: think it would say a lot about his potential renewed upside.

701
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 2: This is one of the sleeper fights on the car

702
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Long Island. Look, you gotta be fired up for this

703
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: for the main card mat.

704
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: This is a good fight. I truly do not know

705
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 5: who wins. Deep dive on their stats. Favor Costa actually,

706
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: but I weirdly am getting to Morgan Sharier like late

707
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 5: knockout here. That's that's the vibe I'm getting here.

708
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 4: All right.

709
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: He is a good athlete and Costa does take some risks,

710
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: so that is definitely on the table.

711
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: We do have a heavyweight matchup, because under UFC, this

712
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: is all APEX cards need a heavyweight main card matchup. Here,

713
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: Brazilian jesute specialist Marcusa takes on Kennedy and Jekawu. That

714
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: was a brutal pronunciation, but look, the focus here is

715
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: on the thirty five year old Almeida. However, you want

716
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,720
Speaker 2: to say that five and two overall in his MMA career,

717
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: coming off his UFC debut, which was a three round

718
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: loss to the to Martin Boudet, who then I believe

719
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: got cut after that despite a long wind streak. He

720
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: also has a pro loss in two years ago under

721
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: the one championship banner to future heavyweight champion Umar kine Con.

722
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: Excuse me, so, luke, uh, this is a cool match

723
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 2: up here, but the experience on the MMA side has

724
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 2: been a tease, no flash. How long do you think

725
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: the UFC will give him if he's gonna pack kid's

726
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: defeats here.

727
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: Dude, if you had told me, I don't know, circa

728
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: twenty eleven or whatever, it was exactly that Bousha and

729
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: Judolfo Vieira, who had legendary battles in jiu jitsu at

730
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: that time, and I remember electric both were like insanely athletic.

731
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: Both were, you know, just doing stuff that these other

732
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: guys simply could not do. That they would turn out

733
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: to be like in not just disappointments, but like incredible

734
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: disappointments during the course of their end of they career.

735
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't have believed it. I wouldn't have believed it.

736
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: And yet here we are, Bro, Boushisha is in fucking trouble.

737
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: He looked bad against Buddai and it's like, how like

738
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Dern can take a punch well, which we've not

739
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: seen from Boushetsha and Mackenzie Dern. While her wrestling has improved,

740
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: let's talk about like a few years ago BC, where

741
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: all she can do was kind of drag you to

742
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: the ground. But but once she got you to the ground,

743
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: it was it was game on, right, Like that's where

744
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, now now you're into the the you know,

745
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: the lions Den here like, but then Blushaisha gets guys

746
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: on the ground and can't do shit to him, and

747
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: it's like what how how are we here? How are

748
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: we here? He's taking on it, But Mushaisha is a

749
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,240
Speaker 1: big heavyweight and he's taking on Kennedy and z hqu

750
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: who is a former light heavyweight, and he's done some

751
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: decent working heavyweight fair enough. I don't think he's a

752
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: crazy undersized but like he's just I'm not trying to

753
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: be insulting. He is putting together a respectable career. But

754
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 1: to date, BC, there's been nothing particularly exemplary about his run.

755
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: In fact, he's changed weight classes I think to rejuvenate

756
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 1: some fortunes. If Bousha, with his level of jiu jitsu,

757
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: can't make short fucking work of a guy like this,

758
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: it is over. It is over. This is one of

759
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 1: those tests where it's like, I'm not saying it's the easiest.

760
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is we don't even have to worry

761
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: about what comes after that. If you can't pass something

762
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: like this, If you can't pass something like this, absolutely

763
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: fucking disqualifying for him. Cut him, for the organization. It

764
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore.

765
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 2: Wow, Just cut. As I always say whenever someone on

766
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: the Celtics pisses me off, just cut their jersey up

767
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: the back as they walk off the floor. Your fire.

768
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: That's right. As the Arsenal fans would sing at you,

769
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: you're not fit to wear the shirt. That's a little strong.

770
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, but.

771
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: You know, look, despite losing three of his last four,

772
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: thirty nine year old King Green is back in a

773
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty pound catchway about against Lance Gibson

774
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Junior to kick off this six fight main card on

775
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: Saturday Night. I can tell you're not moved.

776
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: Lance Gibson, longtime UFC VET, longtime MMA trainer also had

777
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: traded and Julia, but I think they might be married,

778
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: but you know, certainly had been in her corner for

779
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: a long time. And this is his son, Lance Gibson Junior.

780
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: I think this is only the third father son combo

781
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: in all of I think UFC history. I believe that's right. Anyway,

782
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: don't you go dying on me. I like it, Okay.

783
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: I don't really know what's left of King Gring. I

784
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: do think there are actually more interesting fights on this

785
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: card than that one, but it's got a little bit

786
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: of name value in history in there.

787
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the fight that where I'm

788
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: circling on the prelims. I'm sure a lot of people

789
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: are as former Bellator welterweight champion yarisov Amasov aka Luke,

790
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: You're a slob, I'm a slob, the thirty two year

791
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: old who ran off a twenty seven in oh start

792
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: to his MMA career, winning that Bellatoor welterweight title, defeating

793
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: names like Logan Story twice, Douglas Lima, Ed Ruth Caveman, Rickles, etc.

794
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: Before ultimately getting stopped by Jason Jackson. The ass kicking

795
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: machine two years ago is finally back here. He took

796
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: a two year break between twenty three and twenty five,

797
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: returned in March of this year at Cage Fury and

798
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: submitted artist Melinder. Now finally we get him. Remember he

799
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: was on social media almost pleading for Dana White to

800
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: give him an opportunity. They did. He is buried on

801
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: the prelim card, but he has a very respectable opponent

802
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: in the longtime gatekeeper at welterweight in Neil Magni. DraftKings

803
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: odds at the moment do not favor the aging Magni's chances,

804
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 2: as he's plus three forty against the minus four forty

805
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 2: amasof But when Jaraslava is at his best, Luke, he's

806
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: got a motor. He can wrestle for days. It has

807
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 2: not been a good luck lately for big belator names

808
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: or PFL names making the leap heir to ESPN to UFC.

809
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: Excuse me, what are your thoughts about Amazov finally getting

810
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 2: this opportunity long overdue?

811
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: I understand that, I mean the UFC is this is

812
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: to me, this could be the main event. I'm not

813
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: even joking this, I mean maybe not over okay, maybe

814
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: not over two. Rick top rank flowers. No, but it

815
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: could easily be the covide event. This could easily be

816
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: the co made event, and they bury this fucking thing

817
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: on the prelims. I will tell you, I don't know

818
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: how much trust the UFC matchmakers have in BELT or

819
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: PFL guys, and I don't think that's necessarily unfair. It's

820
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: not the same as what happened when WEC came over,

821
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: and it's not the same as what happened when Strikeforce

822
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: came over. Dude, it's not even the same as what

823
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: happened when the IFL, the International Fight League folded and

824
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: came over. It's it's not even that. So I understand

825
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: some of the trepidation that the matchmakers have, and is

826
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: obviously indicated that Jason Jackson lost didn't help.

827
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: That.

828
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 1: Being said, I think highly of his game. I think

829
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: he can do a lot. I think that experience has

830
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: proven to me he's battle tested. Is he the best

831
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: welter weight in the world. Probably not, BC, but I

832
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: think he can give good weal to Waight to run

833
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: for his money and at a bare minimum. BC, you

834
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: gotta love the matchmaking because Neil Magne is gonna tell

835
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: us what we got Neil Magni is gonna be that

836
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: You know that that you know, the guy who's trying

837
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: to find fool's gold in the river, right the prospector

838
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: the guy out there looking for it. He's gonna let

839
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: us know do we have something or do we not?

840
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: Just because he wins me, he's gonna be champion, but

841
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: it lets us know that, Okay, we don't have some

842
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: kind of pretender here.

843
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 2: I call him a forty nine er? Is that what

844
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: you're calling?

845
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: Kind of what I'm saying is this is this is

846
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:20,959
Speaker 1: maybe my favorite fight on the card.

847
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: To be honest, I'm right, yeah, yeah, straight up. The

848
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: thirty eight year old Magni excuse me as my voice dies,

849
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 2: is riding a two fight win streak, both by stoppages,

850
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 2: a bunch of defeats before that. But he will be

851
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 2: that test I want to see. I hope for Amasov

852
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 2: safe he can say he can come in here and

853
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: make some noise. We've seen Anti DeLillo come in from PFL,

854
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 2: make some noise and then have that unfortunate loss for

855
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: him against Waldough. But before that, Luke, it's been Pico,

856
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: it's been who else of late, just shitting Unfortunately, patchy

857
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 2: mix just shitting the bed in their attempts to cross

858
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: over here, so we'll see this fight. Also in the

859
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: featured prelim, shout out to Jillian Robertson. I never thought

860
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 2: we'd be here for the thirty year old where she's

861
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 2: riding a four fight win streak, two by stoppage, including

862
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: a TKO over Marina Hadriguez. In May of this year,

863
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: she'll be taking on the battle tested Amanda Limosh at

864
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: age thirty eight. Luke, I can't believe it. Jillian Robertson

865
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: could get a push here. This could be five in

866
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: a row. She can get this done.

867
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Speaker 1: Number nine versus number seven in the rankings. I believe

868
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Jillian Robertson PC just thirty, just thirty, so when she

869
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: was up and down, she's still putting pieces of her

870
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: game together. She's locked in, brother locked in. And honestly,

871
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: what are the odds on this one?

872
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: You have said, I can tell you it is Robertson

873
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: minus one ninety eight plus one sixty four for Lemos.

874
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: Fair enough. I think that's about right. But she does

875
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: deserve to be the favorite of my judgment. I think

876
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: she has shown a lot of growth and big shots

877
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: to Dean Thomas, who has done a great job with her.

878
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Limosh is three and three in her last six.

879
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: She lost a decision to Tatiana Suarez in September of

880
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: this year. Anything else us on this undercard tickling you

881
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 2: in the fancy spot, Luke.

882
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: The Joe Anderson Brito Isaac Thompson fight is not is

883
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: not super terrible.

884
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: But the Wikipedia pages on the bottom of this card

885
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: look all right?

886
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

887
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: Uh.

888
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: And then the old fight against Almeta on the main card.

889
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: This is I believe Michael's brother or relative or something.

890
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: But uh, you know that's kind of interesting but not.

891
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: Really mean, Luke, Me Hall, can we pronounce it all right?

892
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: Fair enough?

893
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 6: Me?

894
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: Hall, You're right anyway? Yeah, not really. I mean, we

895
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: kind of covered the ones I like the most.

896
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 5: We got to mention Steven Asplin, the guy who told

897
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 5: Dana he'd suck his toes for a contract.

898
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, we didn't have. I purposely did not make he.

899
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,240
Speaker 7: I saw a picture of him today. He lost something

900
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 7: like three hundred pounds or some shit. He went from

901
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 7: five hundred something pounds to now make the heavyweight limit.

902
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 7: That's why he's got all that loose skin. But for

903
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 7: some marijuana.

904
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: He's doing the Dave Chappelle. You know you got any

905
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: that you gotta come down on these penises with me?

906
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, you know bit, you know what I mean?

907
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it is, Luke, that is what it is.

908
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how to transition out of that. Whoo,

909
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: put the camera on me and how It's time for

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913
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914
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Speaker 2: will not be another pay per view. Well that's of

921
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Speaker 2: right now. There'll be no more pay per views, but

922
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Speaker 2: there won't be another pl e until the January twenty

923
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Speaker 2: fourth Paramount CBS kickoff coming up, Patty versus Gaichee. So

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Speaker 2: I don't think you'll be drinking a ton of quervo

925
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Speaker 2: when we get you me together, Jed Shuck, whoever's filling

927
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Speaker 2: that third chair hole, it gets wild up in this peg.

928
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we gotta get Angela White in studio.

929
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: I don't think she's eligible.

930
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: Look, okay, why because she's a woman.

931
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: That's exactly it, exactly all right, let's go into topic

932
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 2: number two. One of the biggest blood feuds in MMA

933
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: right now does not involve people that are gonna square

934
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: off in a cage. Did they square off once though?

935
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: In the UFC headquarters. That's what we're trying to debate

936
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: as the beef between UFC CEO Dana White and former

937
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: UFC Heavyweight champion Francis and gan who has only grown

938
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: over this past week. First, Francis sat down with the

939
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 2: Aeriel Hawane Show, and then Dana made a swift response

940
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 2: in an interview with Oscar Willis of The MacLife. And

941
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: it started with Francis and Gano giving a very modest

942
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: denial of Dana White's account of a supposed physical altercation

943
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: between them that surrounded the UFC card in Boston where

944
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: Francis and Gan, who knocked out one Overhiman maybe the

945
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 2: most brutal knockout of all time, but did not receive

946
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 2: the fifty K bonus, came to UFC headquarters reportedly pushed

947
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: forward to get an answer and then maybe then maybe

948
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: put his hands on Dana White and Hunter Campbell by

949
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: the collar and jacked him up. Oh no, no, says Dana.

950
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: It didn't happen exactly like that. So, Luke, this has

951
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 2: gotten a little bit weird, not just from the standpoint

952
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: of Francis like being kind of weird when Ariel put

953
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,720
Speaker 2: him on the spot repeatedly and just not really giving

954
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: a straight answer of did you do this? Not to

955
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: mention the fact that then Dana came out and kind

956
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 2: of changed the story. So before I ask you who

957
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 2: you believe, let's see a little bit of this evidence. Uh,

958
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: we've got some sound to play on what broke down here,

959
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: let's hear from Dana, so.

960
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 8: Safe to say no interest in bringing him back.

961
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know how I can make it

962
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 1: any more fucking clear.

963
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 9: I do wonder how PFL feel about him going out

964
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 9: and saying that his contract navy done.

965
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 10: There was nothing that made me happier than throwing that

966
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 10: guy over to the fucking PFL. Yeah, let me tell

967
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 10: you what, if we let guys go feel bad for

968
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 10: the fucking company to get them, we let him go

969
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 10: for a fucking reason.

970
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.

971
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 10: I don't have to let anybody go. Yeah, yeah, I

972
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 10: don't want to be in business with guys that I

973
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 10: don't like and that I don't think are good guys.

974
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 2: Look, if somebody shows you who they really are, believe them,

975
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: believe them. Dana White, twenty twenty five. So that was

976
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: the follow up to Francis.

977
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: There's a little bit more. If I maybe I missed

978
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: it in the rundown, there should be one where he

979
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of does a little bit extra explaining.

980
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll get I think they were just in

981
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 2: a weird order. Ultimately, Francis, you know, told Ariel that

982
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 2: his PFL contract is coming to a close soon. He'd

983
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: like to fight John Jones on the White House. So

984
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: that's what spurred that Dana White comment. Let's hear Francis

985
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: first though, here giving his side of the story to

986
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: Ariel of what went down in that weird altercation that

987
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 2: this all you know, created this beef.

988
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 11: Okay, so then we go from that. In the midst

989
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 11: of all of this, Francis Dana White does an interview

990
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 11: on a podcast called The Flagrant Podcast with Andrew Schultz,

991
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 11: and he speaks a lot about you in a in

992
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 11: a very you know, unsatisfactory way, in a very not

993
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 11: nice way. You've seen these comments, I would.

994
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 3: Imagine why I'm mind no surprise.

995
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 11: So this time around it wasn't just oh, he's a

996
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 11: bad guy. He spoke about specific details, spaks specific stories,

997
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 11: instances where he claims you grabbed him, where you grabbed

998
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 11: Hunter Campbell, all this stuff. Can I get your response

999
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 11: to this? Did any of this happen that he talked

1000
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 11: about on this podcast?

1001
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 6: Well, I think the best person to answer that question

1002
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 6: is then a way you have to ask him. Whenever

1003
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 6: you have the chance, you ask him.

1004
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 11: Well, I won't have that chance anytime soon. But he

1005
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 11: has said it, right, So if I would ask him,

1006
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 11: he would say, yeah, I said it. That's my POV,

1007
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 11: the one that we haven't heard about. This is you, right,

1008
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 11: So I would love your side of the story.

1009
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 6: You know, I kind of like, at some point you're

1010
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 6: very ignoring to just have to be responsible of what

1011
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 6: people say. Basically, like, if then I say this, then

1012
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 6: I'm out here going to basically defend myself of what

1013
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 6: Danna said or whomever.

1014
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: I think.

1015
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 3: Whatever he said, if he's in peace with it's okay.

1016
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 11: But one might say that he's trying to like hurt

1017
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 11: your character. Right, These aren't nice things to say about

1018
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 11: someone if not true.

1019
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 3: If not true, again, wow, am I no surprise right.

1020
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: Now? Look, Ariel, to his credit, would come right back

1021
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: and put him on the spot and just say, look,

1022
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: did you put your hands on Dana. Although Francis did

1023
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 2: not give an answer, he basically said don't they have

1024
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,959
Speaker 2: cameras in the UFC office and left it at that. Look,

1025
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 2: the court of public opinion is tough. Things go like this.

1026
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 2: You know, there was a time when we all felt

1027
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 2: like Francis, you know, was the guy from Shawshank crawling

1028
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: through the shit tunnel to get out of his draconian

1029
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: contract and get what he wanted, and we were all

1030
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 2: happy for him. Then PFL started to say he's not

1031
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: carrying his end of the bargain, and we were down

1032
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: on him. Then this interview happens and we're like, maybe

1033
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 2: Francis really isn't a good guy. Maybe Ann Evans on

1034
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: Twitter is right here. So but then within ours this

1035
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 2: interview comes out with us Willis putting Dana on the spot.

1036
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 10: There was nothing that made me happier than throwing that

1037
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 10: guy over to the fucking PFL. Let me tell you

1038
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 10: what if we let guys go feel bad for the

1039
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 10: fucking company to get them. We let him go for

1040
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 10: a fucking reason.

1041
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

1042
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 10: Have to let anybody go. Yeah, I don't want to

1043
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 10: be in business with guys that I don't like, and

1044
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 10: then I don't think our good guys. We offered Francis

1045
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 10: a deal that would have made him the highest paid

1046
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 10: heavyweight in the history of the company, more than less

1047
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 10: or more than anybody, and he turned the deal down.

1048
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know what you know. We

1049
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: get to this point where sorry.

1050
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: We had a technical issue, we'd have the right video.

1051
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: So basically, long story short, uh, Oscar Willis Dana set

1052
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 2: the record straight and said, well.

1053
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: Can I read it?

1054
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead.

1055
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: So this is again from the same Oscar Willison interview,

1056
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: and again I apologize for having the wrong asset there.

1057
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: But here's what he wrote. Quote, let me be clear,

1058
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: this is data talking. Let me be clear on something.

1059
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: When I say the physicality, it's not like Francis came

1060
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: in and threatened us or anything like that. We're in

1061
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: there and he's telling me that he deserves the fifty k.

1062
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: I said, you're not getting it. We had determined who

1063
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: was going to get the fifty k. And I'm in

1064
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: there with him for however long, and I'm like, I'm done.

1065
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: I have another meeting. And this guy used to walk

1066
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: around the UFC headquarters like it was his fucking house.

1067
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: He literally spent the whole day in here, breakfast, lunch,

1068
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: and dinner. So I started to walk out and he

1069
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: put his hand on my chest and he said, we're

1070
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: not done talking, and I said, oh, we're done talking.

1071
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: It's not like Francis came in here and was like

1072
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: physical But that's what went down, which to me BC

1073
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: is not necessarily a completely different story than what he

1074
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 1: told before, but it is meaningfully different. There's not like

1075
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: grabbing him by the chest or the collar or anything

1076
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: like that, which is what he sort of seemed to

1077
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: insinuate the first time around.

1078
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, that's what I'm saying. I felt like, for like,

1079
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 2: you know, half a day, we were like, maybe Francis

1080
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: is this pos and then Dana sort of softened the

1081
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 2: original blow. I can understand from a business standpoint why

1082
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: he would be upset to some degree. Also, this feels

1083
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 2: like a larger much ado about maybe nothing except for

1084
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 2: the fact that it is something We're gonna get more

1085
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 2: into the pfl in topics to come in this show

1086
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: and talk about what Francis said about his deal. But

1087
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: Dana unequivocally said, no, this guy will never fight here again.

1088
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: He's con maintaining that that stance. But Luke, you could

1089
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 2: argue that John Jones versus in Ghanu you know, sorry,

1090
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: Tom aspinall for sort of this like lineal Heavyweight Championship

1091
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: is you know, the fad Or versus Crow Cop of

1092
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: our generation, the Randy versus fad Or that never happened.

1093
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: It feels like it could be in play to happen.

1094
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 2: Shouldn't Dana kind of just get over this for the

1095
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: sake of the business, or like, is this a justifiable

1096
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,479
Speaker 2: excuse here to never do business with this guy again?

1097
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 2: Because he was push pushy over a bonus.

1098
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: I mean, on the one hand, you know, maybe they listen,

1099
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 1: the UFC doesn't have to sign anybody and everybody. They

1100
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: can pick and choose who they want, and they can

1101
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: pick and choose for the reasons that they want. I

1102
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: think on some level everybody understands that, including me and

1103
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: including you. On the other hand, you know, not to

1104
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: belabor the point, but obviously they have such an entrenched

1105
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: market position that they don't necessarily, because of that market position,

1106
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: have to give into it. That's a separate consideration of, hey,

1107
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: is this someone we want to do business with because

1108
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: you know, they are a threat to our safety orcus

1109
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 1: a room in the offices or you know, or otherwise

1110
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: just an unpleasant character to deal with. That's a separate

1111
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: one from No, they're not unpleasant, they don't do that

1112
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: kind of a thing. But we don't, you know, we

1113
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: can pick and choose because of our entrenched market position.

1114
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 1: Like that is that is obviously playing a role. But

1115
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: I always go back to it, do they have to

1116
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: make every fight that we want to see? No, but

1117
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: the job of the promoter is to put on fights

1118
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: that people want to pay money to see. Weirdly, BC,

1119
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: they're not even going to sell tickets for this UFC

1120
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: White House card. But to the point that you raise,

1121
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: it's a big card with pretty big visibility. It holds,

1122
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: whatever your feelings about it, certainly some great importance for

1123
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: the sport and certainly high relevance. And I cannot think

1124
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: of a single UFC fan who would outright reject that fight.

1125
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: I mean, that just seems so crazy to say, what

1126
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: fight fan, what group of fight fans is like, oh no,

1127
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 1: we don't want to see that. I saw Na Diaz

1128
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: yesterday get on social media and say he wants to

1129
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: fight Patty Pimblet. There was a lot of people saying

1130
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: they didn't want to see that. I didn't see I've

1131
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: never seen anyone be like, oh yeah, we don't need

1132
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: that fight, Like yeah, no, no, no, don't make don't make that.

1133
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean, some people kind of taking sides, but it

1134
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 1: actually came down to it. BC, this would do gangbusters,

1135
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: This would be huge, This would be big. I think

1136
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: if you're going to be the leader of MMA and

1137
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna have all the resources, you should act like it,

1138
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: and you should make the fights that the fans want

1139
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: to see, especially ABC. We don't know when Tom Aspinall's

1140
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: coming back, So a lot of opportunity here, but you know,

1141
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: I think we both know it's probably unrealistic.

1142
00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like, you know, it looked for

1143
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: a second and like Francis may have crossed the line.

1144
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 2: Then Dana kind of made it seem like he didn't

1145
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: cross the line from a physical standpoint. So if this

1146
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: is just a you ask for too much money, I

1147
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: don't think you're a good guy. I mean, they brought

1148
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: Randy back, Randy Couture to serve him up to Brock

1149
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 2: and he still fought after that, when you know, he

1150
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: had a similar thing where he stood up for his

1151
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: own naming rights, and you know, from a business standpoint,

1152
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: pissed off UFC. This just feels like it's like just

1153
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 2: bury it, like do what's right for the fans. This

1154
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 2: could be one of the biggest fights in the company's history,

1155
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 2: but not worth talking about anymore there. I mean, what

1156
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,759
Speaker 2: does Francis do, Luke just go back to boxing, though.

1157
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: I would have said fight Wilder, but I guess Usik's.

1158
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, wow, he just died on the air.

1159
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: I thought Ariel did a good job of basically being like, hey,

1160
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: Francis like you may have dropped the bag here Jake

1161
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: Paul offered you. You're now telling us it wasn't a

1162
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: low ball offer, it was a very good and you

1163
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 2: really don't have reasoning as to why you said no.

1164
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 1: Well, let's see, he's not going to fight Wilder, he's

1165
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: not going to fight Paul, he's not gonna fight John Jones,

1166
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,800
Speaker 1: he's not going to fight Tom aspinall, he's not gonna

1167
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: fight Poeton. Who the fuck are you wanna fight? There? Fellow? Like,

1168
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: you got to say yes to one of these? And

1169
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: are you know what are we not thinking of? I'm

1170
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: sure there's something we're not thinking of, but uh, you

1171
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: have said no to many of one way or the other.

1172
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,439
Speaker 1: You've said no to many of, if not nearly all,

1173
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: of the biggest remaining opportunities. That kind of narrows what's available.

1174
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: No, it does to close on this, Luke, And it's

1175
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 2: not really a fair question. But where are we at

1176
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: on the his friends and god him a good guy thing? Luke,

1177
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 2: There's been some points.

1178
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: I can solve this problem for everybody, Dude, I can

1179
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: solve this problem for everybody. As I've said before, I

1180
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: think guys like Mac Holloway Dustin POI is retired, but

1181
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,200
Speaker 1: you know guys like that, right when USC three eighteen

1182
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: was circling around the two gentlemen of the fight game,

1183
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: these are guys that, you know, even as I'm older

1184
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: than them, I still look up to them as like

1185
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: exemplars or of how to be you know, how to

1186
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: carry yourself in public, and how to how to how

1187
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: to be a family man, and you know, all the

1188
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: things that we we know and appreciate about them. But

1189
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: there are just a lot of bad actors in this sport.

1190
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,479
Speaker 1: There are bad actors on the fight roster, there's bad

1191
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: actors in the rank and file of who stats these organizations.

1192
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: This is this is how to describe it. This is

1193
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 1: not polite society. And I think a lot of people

1194
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: want to go in there and start from the premise

1195
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: that because they do these heroic things in the cage,

1196
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: that we should just default to a place that we

1197
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: automatically assume, you know, that they're you know, these are

1198
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: great guys on quests of no and that certainly can happen.

1199
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: And it may be true of Francis too. We know

1200
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: his story about coming from like the most insane difficult

1201
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: background and getting to where he got like, there is

1202
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: nobility in that story, no matter what else you may

1203
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: want to say about someone like that. But I just

1204
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: think it's an unfortunate reality.

1205
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: B see.

1206
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: And people can say I'm like gloomy about it, but

1207
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. I think it's a little

1208
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: bit easier to kind of take a little bit more

1209
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: of a neutral position, and then over time you can

1210
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: then say, hey, this person has been vetted enough in

1211
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: the public space that I know that I can trust

1212
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: as a general rule, you know their character. But I

1213
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: think just we default to it and then we have

1214
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: to claw it back over time. Pretty often in this sport,

1215
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: I would argue, flip it, and then you'll have a

1216
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 1: little bit of an easier time with all the negotiating

1217
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: all this stuff.

1218
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you also have to take into consideration the

1219
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 2: source of the person calling him a awful human being.

1220
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: I know there's difficulties in everyone's life, Francis Well, I mean,

1221
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 2: you know had that motorcycle accident where some and died.

1222
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 2: I mean there's been things going on whatever, whatever. Ultimately,

1223
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 2: I still feel like they could and should make this fight.

1224
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 2: Let's carry on to topic number three, which is what

1225
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: else Dana White opened up about and is sit down

1226
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 2: with Oscar Willis of the Mac Life. One of that

1227
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 2: was regarding the UFC White House Card and which is

1228
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 2: coming in June. I believe Look is the updated date?

1229
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: What June?

1230
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: What?

1231
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: It's not Trump's birthday anymore? What is it going to be?

1232
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: No, it is fourteenth.

1233
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 2: June fourteenth is still where we're targeting that. We've had

1234
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, the US President, say that there's going to

1235
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: be a A to nine title fights. Dana didn't seem

1236
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 2: to support that or confirm that. But here's a quote

1237
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: pick of what he did say about the White House Card.

1238
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: Dana White says the UFC White House main event will

1239
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 2: not air for free on CBS and will be available

1240
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: only on Paramount Plus. The quote is, maybe we do

1241
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 2: some prelims on CBS, but that fight will be on Paramount.

1242
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 2: Oscar Willis went on to kind of push him of,

1243
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,439
Speaker 2: like will this be a pay will you bring it back?

1244
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 2: Dana did not take the bait on here, So, Luke,

1245
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: are you surprised that ultimately the White House Card, which

1246
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 2: could be the biggest fight card in the company history

1247
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of uniqueness and they're certainly going to

1248
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 2: load it up. I mean, there's potential for everyone from

1249
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor, John Jones, Ronda Rouse. I mean, I I

1250
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: don't know what it's, how it's gonna play out, but

1251
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 2: there's potential for major stuff on this card. Are you

1252
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 2: surprised at all that there that it won't air on

1253
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: CBS Life?

1254
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I am very surprised, to be honest with you. Now,

1255
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: b Se, you're closer to the paramount experience than I am. Uh,

1256
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: the two big not counting UFC, which you would now

1257
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: count as well, but prior to UFC signing with them,

1258
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: the two big things. There's more than this, but the

1259
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: two big things in the sports portfolio that that CBS

1260
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: has the rights to would be the NFL and March Madness.

1261
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: But neither of them are around in June, so I

1262
01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: guess there's no obstruction, but there's also like no way

1263
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: to promote them, so it's like you're missing. It's weird,

1264
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: like there's nothing blocking them in the calendar, but there's

1265
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: nothing really promoting the meter, So what would take precedence

1266
01:02:10,360 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: over that on that night, especially when you're willing to

1267
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: air other events that won't be as regal Mark Shapiro

1268
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: saying this week on the earnings call for TKO, about

1269
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: half he expects six or seven of the the numbered

1270
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: events to air, and so not in or in in

1271
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: the main card or maybe just made events, but some

1272
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: portion of at least six or seven of those cards

1273
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 1: to air on CBS. Why would you not put that one?

1274
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: I honestly don't even know what the logic would be.

1275
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, okay, Look, I think ultimately the

1276
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: idea is that what's what's one of the major reasons

1277
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:47,959
Speaker 2: that you know, Paramount Skydance, CBS, uh, you know, would

1278
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: purchase this brand, this this uh, this Fight League at

1279
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: such a high price, and it's certainly to make Paramount

1280
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: plus the premiere streaming uh you know app in the world.

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01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: So if it's all about driving subscriptions there, you're not

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Speaker 2: charging a pay per view price anymore. I certainly understand that,

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01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 2: you know, like like Dana likes to say, you're going

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01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty five having to pay over one thousand

1285
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 2: dollars to be a high end UFC fan to having

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01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: to pay something around one hundred dollars a year. So

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01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: at least you're going to cash in on that opportunity. Know,

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01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: I certainly understand your stance on the idea that if

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Speaker 2: you just put it on big CBS and shoot it

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01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 2: out there, you can cast the whyest net possible. I

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01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: think even Oscar asked that, like, imagine Connor McGregor fighting

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Speaker 2: on CBS. But to clarify what Shapiro said, just from

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01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 2: what we know, Dana White was asked about that, and

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01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: he interrupted and told Oscar Willis that Shapiro was sort

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01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:45,080
Speaker 2: of just guestimating or speculating, and that ultimately it has

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Speaker 2: not been decided. And I can confirm that from what

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Speaker 2: I've heard internally that it has not been decided. How

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01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: many cards will air on ESPN, Will it just be prelimbs,

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01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: will it be main cards, what have you. I think

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01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 2: that's still in the planning stages right now. But given that, look,

1301
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: could they put this on pay per view and jack

1302
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: up the price and make a ton of money. They could.

1303
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: But if you just leave it on paramount plus, and

1304
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: this is the ultimate push to get as many subscriptions

1305
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 2: as possible, it does seem like a smart idea. It's

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01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: not that expensive, you know, what is it around ten

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01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: twelve bucks for Paramount Plus.

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01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean even then though, like doing that

1309
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: and I don't know, just not dovetailing with that kind

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01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: of an audience on linear television seems like a missed opportunity. Now,

1311
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: to his point, if they do the prelimbs, that's that's something,

1312
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,439
Speaker 1: right or I just feel like there should be some

1313
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: kind of carrot dangled on linear television, even if you

1314
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 1: still want to drive subs in June. But either way,

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01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: you know, I think it'll be great for Paramount Plus

1316
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, a business opportunity. And by

1317
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: the way, some breaking news here. It's not confirmed, but

1318
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm looking at an interview he did in Spanish Michael Morales,

1319
01:04:57,200 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: and he's saying the USC's targeting him versus Jack, Dala,

1320
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: mantl Lena on that card. Wow, So you know, sick

1321
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: ass fights they're putting on this card.

1322
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 2: You know, as things stand now, Luke, what do you

1323
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 2: think will be the main event? Because Oscar pushed Dana

1324
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: on Trump's comment and he kind of downplayed, and you know,

1325
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: he said, well, there be a ton of title fights

1326
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 2: on there, and Danil's like, no, I wouldn't say a ton.

1327
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: I would guess there's going to be a mixture of

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01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 2: you know, nostalgic names to bring in the audience and

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01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: big fights. But could you see the main event as

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01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,919
Speaker 2: we stand now being something like, you know, as big

1331
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: as Elia versus Islam or something more in the Connor

1332
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 2: Chandler realm or if they open the door Jones poll Aton, like,

1333
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: what do you feel like right now? December twelfth, rousing Coranto.

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01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1335
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 1: What. I feel like. It'll be a title fight with

1336
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: Islam or Ilia or someone in the top pound for pound.

1337
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: I think that'll be the actual main event. But to

1338
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: your point, they're gonna fill the card with nostalgia. They're

1339
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: gonna fill the card with whatever bigger names they can

1340
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: put together. But I just kind of think at the

1341
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,760
Speaker 1: end of the day, the crown jewel of that will

1342
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: not be a manufactured Oh, let's put a light heavyweight

1343
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,760
Speaker 1: up at heavyweight and have them fight John jo. I

1344
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: just don't think it'll be that. I think it'll be, Hey,

1345
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: here's Islam defending his title or here's Ilia defending it

1346
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: something like that.

1347
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting debate on how you want to

1348
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: use that card, because you're going to cast that net

1349
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 2: as wide as possible bring in as many casual fans

1350
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 2: just to see the spectacle of literally an octagon on

1351
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: the south lawn. And as Dana said Luke to Oscar

1352
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: in that interview, the south lawn is slope, so they're

1353
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 2: gonna have to bring in a ton of earth to

1354
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: level it out. I mean, you know, Kate, bring in

1355
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: some cage fighters onto the White House. They're gonna tear

1356
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: up that gold lame everywhere, you know.

1357
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be like it's gonna be like Jan

1358
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: six up in this piece.

1359
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it will be. Pat Milchic is gonna love

1360
01:06:54,840 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 2: this shit, all right. Also, wow, Luke, is this the end?

1361
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 2: Because we had a great run?

1362
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: Is this the end? This is the end? My friends?

1363
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: Great again? Yeah?

1364
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 4: Great song.

1365
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 2: Seriously. Also, Oscar asked about the situation surrounding armand Sarukian.

1366
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: He's in Dana's doghouse. Can he get out of it?

1367
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 2: What the hell's going on? Here's a quote from Dana

1368
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 2: in which he said, Patty Pimblet laid it out pretty well, Dana,

1369
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 2: referencing Patty's recent comments, Armond's here. We haven't cut him,

1370
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 2: we don't dislike him. It is what it is. Armand

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: knows how this played out behind the scenes. He knows,

1372
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: we all fucking know. End quote LT your thoughts on

1373
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: the Armenian Hulk here.

1374
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 1: I hate this. I hate this. I just want to

1375
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: be clear about something. They won't tell you what he did,

1376
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: they won't tell you how long his punishment's going to last,

1377
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: and in fact, they won't even acknowledge that there is

1378
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: a punishment. They're asking you to believe he did something

1379
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: wrong or failed them in some kind of way, but

1380
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 1: they won't say what it is. And they're asking you

1381
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: to believe he did something wrong, but then they'll deny

1382
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: that there's punishment. But then they're asking you to believe

1383
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,480
Speaker 1: he did something wrong and understand that there is a punishment.

1384
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 1: It's this weird, gas lit nebulous world where they expect

1385
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: you to believe the worst of everything, but just to

1386
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 1: be not certain necessarily about anything, not really ask any

1387
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: questions about it, certainly not making any declarations about anything

1388
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,000
Speaker 1: to begin with. And I want to be clear about something.

1389
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:43,519
Speaker 1: Remember he made those initial comments. I mean, this is

1390
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: OSCAR following up a little bit. But the initial comments

1391
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 1: came after UFC three twenty three, that came on the

1392
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: same week where Nick con told uh in Ring magazine

1393
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 1: stooge Max Kellerman and then ESPN stooge Pat McAfee their

1394
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: plans for ZUFRA Boxing were to have no more sanctioning

1395
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: body nonsense, to have the champion fire the number one contender.

1396
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: If the number one contender is not available, than the

1397
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: number two contender, just like in the UFC. Lawrence Epstein

1398
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: repeating a very similar message to that Hill. So on

1399
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: the same week where they are telling you, you know,

1400
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:32,759
Speaker 1: we don't play sanctioning body favoritism games. We don't play

1401
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: promoter whim games. We have the best fight the best.

1402
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 1: This is what we follow and that's what we're going

1403
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 1: to do in boxing. They told Congress that, and they

1404
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: told major media outlets or figures that. And then on

1405
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 1: the same week Dana says, I don't care about the number.

1406
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: It cannot be both. It cannot be both. They are

1407
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: in absolute contradiction, unequivocal contradiction to one another. It has

1408
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,839
Speaker 1: to be one or the other. See, we have gotten

1409
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: so used to people are conflating two different things here, right,

1410
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: because imagine if this was boxing for a second, where

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01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: Arman would be rated. I'll mix something up by the

1412
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,560
Speaker 1: WBC as the guy the mandatory, but also like the

1413
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 1: guy everybody wants. Right, the promoter could say at that

1414
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,439
Speaker 1: point that they didn't want to sign Arman because for

1415
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: whatever reason, But then WBC would essentially take control of

1416
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 1: the title process and adjudicate it in some other way

1417
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: to solve that problem independent of the promoter's whim. But

1418
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,960
Speaker 1: here we have a space where the promoter controls all

1419
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 1: of it, and so we're conflating the ability of a

1420
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: sanctioning body to order a fight with the discipline that

1421
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 1: that might are the you know, the the lack of

1422
01:10:46,439 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: a business relationship that a promoter might want to solve.

1423
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: Mind you, by the way, they're independent contractors. There's a

1424
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,640
Speaker 1: there's a code of conduct on the books, but they

1425
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: won't enforce that because they're scared of them becoming ultimately

1426
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,720
Speaker 1: employees by qualifying for a different set of criteria. I'm

1427
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: just out there's this, there's this mixed messaging, there's this

1428
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: vast array of control, and it's this guy's fucking life.

1429
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 1: BC if he did something wrong, which he very well

1430
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 1: may have done. Hello, BC, He's headbutting opponents on fucking

1431
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 1: stage and punching fans in the audience. Would it be

1432
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 1: crazy to you to suggest that he has done something,

1433
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: you know, uh worthy of condemnation. No, it would be

1434
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 1: the easiest thing in the world to imagine. But they

1435
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,320
Speaker 1: won't tell you what it is. They won't even tell

1436
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,479
Speaker 1: you what the punishment is. But they expect you to

1437
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 1: just live in a world where he has to he

1438
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: has to endure it, and there's no end in sight.

1439
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: When is this over? When is this probationary period over?

1440
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. It's the only thing that

1441
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 1: can happen when there's just that much control over all

1442
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 1: the different parts of how fights are made and all

1443
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: the different parts of how these contracts work. It's silly

1444
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: to me. He's the number one contend and he's fucking great.

1445
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: Either tell us what the problem is or put him

1446
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: in fights. You can't do both.

1447
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess if Dana clarified and said, look, it's

1448
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 2: three strikes at once. It's the combination of not showing

1449
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: up for the main event when you were scheduled, you know,

1450
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 2: a day or two before. It's the altercation with the fan,

1451
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,439
Speaker 2: it's headbutting hooker. We don't feel like we can trust

1452
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 2: you and just leave it at that you can argue

1453
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 2: against it, but I guess to some degree it will

1454
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 2: be justifiable. But I agree with you. The way it's presented,

1455
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:32,080
Speaker 2: it makes you start to wonder, since we just had

1456
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,839
Speaker 2: to talk about Dana versus Francis, is this more about money?

1457
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:40,760
Speaker 2: Because we're under the idea that Arman isn't motivated specifically

1458
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 2: by money because he comes from it, just like we're

1459
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 2: under the idea that the biggest thing Francis probably did

1460
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 2: wrong to Dana was constantly be a difficult negotiator. So

1461
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: I wonder if that's all aligned.

1462
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: Right, Well, let me just ask you. Imagine imagine the

1463
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: case was, who's the champion of fifty five ilia right?

1464
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 1: But he's so let's just say it was they had

1465
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: to fight Patty or something and Armand's the number one contender.

1466
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:09,439
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine Bob Aram has Patty and maybe even maybe

1467
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: even has Armin two, but he wi Let's say Armonds

1468
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 1: with a different promoter, Eddie Hearn. But this is the

1469
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 1: number one guy, this is the number one contender, and

1470
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: they have to make this fight. What would happen if

1471
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 1: Bob Aram said, I don't want to make a business

1472
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: with this guy because he had buts people and punches fans.

1473
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: What would the WBC do in that case.

1474
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 2: Uh, that wouldn't happen. I say that that wouldn't happen.

1475
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 2: So this is what paydays. UFC is in a more

1476
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 2: fixed spot where they can do stuff.

1477
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: Like But this is what I mean. You're mixing two

1478
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 1: different worlds. There's one question about the UFC's relationship to

1479
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: armand I don't folk we've we've just gotten out of

1480
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: the habit of thinking it this way. That's a completely

1481
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: separate question on not only where someone is ranked, but

1482
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: what someone ranked in the top spot is owed. These

1483
01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: are two different things and we're just conflating together and

1484
01:13:58,080 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: we just take it because well that's just the way

1485
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 1: that it just works for THEMA. But it's un I'm

1486
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: not saying, don't punish the guy. I'm saying, if that's

1487
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, set the fucking terms, let us

1488
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: know what it is, put it all out there so

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Speaker 1: we can just have a clear, uh a situation about it,

1490
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 1: a clear a clear sense. But just like putting a

1491
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: guy on probationary stuff without ever really declaring what the

1492
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 1: problem is or when the end goal is there or

1493
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: any any part of the process on the same fucking

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01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 1: week that you're telling Congris that you don't do this. Brother,

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01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: I mean brother, Yeah, I don't know what to say.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Brandon roy Vaal making way. According to

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01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke won twenty six for the main event

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01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 2: against cop Luke. One final quote I want to share.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know how to explain this, but who's sman?

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Speaker 2: Normagamet Off, the PFL champion, was interviewed by our friend

1501
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 2: Mike Bond mic Boone of MMA Junkie, and here.

1502
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 1: Was his quote.

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01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: In UFC Arman is the number one contender, but he

1504
01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: can't fight because the champion has beef with his wife.

1505
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 2: End quote. I listened to the video that was actually

1506
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 2: what he said. I don't understand it, though, and I

1507
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 2: know that you don't like that kind of stuff. You

1508
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 2: don't want to get into the saucy details of the

1509
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: personal lives. Is it something weird like that or let's

1510
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 2: just move on.

1511
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: Wait, Armand's wife's I.

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,840
Speaker 2: Can't even figure it out. The quote again was in

1513
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: ufc Armon is the number one contender, but he can't

1514
01:15:28,360 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: fight because the champion has beef with his wife. I

1515
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 2: don't know. We got to ask Gusman. I guess I

1516
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 2: don't understand. He does say things.

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01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: All right, there you go.

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Speaker 2: number four takes us to the PFL. Not only does

1553
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: the PFL have a card in Lyon, France on Saturday,

1554
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 2: in which in a vacant heavyweight championship, the first in

1555
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: PFL history, will be awarded. The legend Chris Cyborg is back,

1556
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 2: but We've got a little bit of fallout from the

1557
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 2: Francis and Gano interview with Ariel Hawani in which I

1558
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: teased it earlier, but Francis ultimately surprised us all by

1559
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 2: saying his time, his contract with the PFL is coming

1560
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 2: to a close and it will end regardless of what

1561
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 2: if he fights or not before the UFC White House

1562
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 2: card in June. It's almost done. And remember he signed

1563
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 2: with the PFL back in like early twenty twenty three,

1564
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 2: appearing just one time, a stoppage win over hen In Fajda.

1565
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 2: No showing events he was apparently supposed to be there

1566
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 2: under his ambassadorship, his corporate role with PFL Africa, and

1567
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 2: now after two big time boxing events which were not

1568
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,320
Speaker 2: PFL affiliated in which Francis really cashed in, it kind

1569
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 2: of feels like it's coming to an end here. Why well,

1570
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 2: there's a heavyweight championship fight involving Vedeen Nemcoff and the

1571
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:37,960
Speaker 2: aforementioned hen and Fajeda, and Francis said he was never

1572
01:18:38,040 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: even offered the opportunity to be in that fight. So Luke, Wow, Ultimately,

1573
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 2: when we look back, this is separate from the idea

1574
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 2: of is Francis or good guy or not. This was

1575
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 2: a monumental sort of historic contract that he signed with

1576
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:57,320
Speaker 2: the PFL, not just for the money and the flexibility.

1577
01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,320
Speaker 2: It was to be the face of PFL Africa. It

1578
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 2: was to serve as a fighter representative on a on

1579
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 2: a you know, board to represent fighters. Was it a

1580
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: mistake ultimately for PFL to sign him? And I want

1581
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 2: to ask you this specific question along with that, do

1582
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,120
Speaker 2: you feel like the only reason why he hasn't fought

1583
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: again is because they just want to get rid of this,

1584
01:19:20,280 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: you know, the money he demands and everything he brings

1585
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 2: to the table as they try to survive and move forward.

1586
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think for Francis it's been a phenomenal deal.

1587
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,800
Speaker 1: He has had to give and do very little and

1588
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 1: has been afforded quite a bit. He got paid probably

1589
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: my understanding is a you know, not what he made

1590
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: in the boxing fights, but something pretty decent for beating

1591
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: head in Fajeda, which was also I think, you know,

1592
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, well, no, I'll leave it there. But then

1593
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: obviously he got the opportunity to box and made you know,

1594
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: upwards of thirty million dollars to do that, life changing

1595
01:20:00,760 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: amounts of money, and you know, got to do it outside,

1596
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:08,719
Speaker 1: like prove that there is life outside of the UFC.

1597
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,559
Speaker 1: But now that road appears to have come to a

1598
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 1: close or coming to a close, maybe not fully closed

1599
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 1: yet because you know, one thing that we didn't really

1600
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: talk about BC is what if they get Rico Verhouven.

1601
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: Rico versus Francis is an interesting fight, I think maybe

1602
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 1: in any case, but you know, there's not many left

1603
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: fights for him that are going to be available, and

1604
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 1: it just doesn't really it's not really clear what he

1605
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: can do. But he got a lot of value out

1606
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,640
Speaker 1: of the deal. But what did what did PFL get?

1607
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: They got their name associated with him, and that gave

1608
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: them some extra media, but he fought once for them.

1609
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: It was kind of excuse me, it was kind of

1610
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 1: a blowout when he mentioned at BC and this is

1611
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,320
Speaker 1: I also blamed PFL for this. They brought fucking Francis

1612
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 1: to DC and they didn't even hit up the Washington

1613
01:20:57,240 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: Post to do interviews. Like what did he really get

1614
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 1: him extra in terms of you know, media space that

1615
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: they ordinarily wouldn't have gotten. I blame PFL also for that,

1616
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: for just being lazy and not thinking about their own

1617
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: brand needs. But at the same time, you know, did

1618
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: this partnership produce new heights that they had never reached before?

1619
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: Not exactly. And I don't even know what to say

1620
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: a PFL Africa. It looks like some of the stuff

1621
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 1: that they've tried b see has been interesting and maybe encouraging,

1622
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:25,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know what kind of life it's got.

1623
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:27,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of money it makes or not.

1624
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: It just is very clear unclear to that. And he

1625
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 1: was not a great brand ambassador. I mean, part of

1626
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: that DEALBC was not just that he was going to

1627
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to box and stuff like that, and

1628
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:39,080
Speaker 1: that all worked out really well, but part of it

1629
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 1: was that he was going to be a be a

1630
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 1: brand ambassador for them. He was going to be a

1631
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: brand ambassador quite literally for before different sub brands, the

1632
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 1: regional ones in there. But more than that, he was

1633
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,680
Speaker 1: going to kind of lift the pfl's visibility. He was

1634
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: going to lift their attempts and he was going to

1635
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 1: be something of a you know, a Jerry Maguire who's

1636
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: coming with me. And in the end, you know, you

1637
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 1: saw what Jerry Maguire got in that office scene. It

1638
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: felt a lot like that, like no one really followed,

1639
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: and in fact, in the lower weight classes, a lot

1640
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: of guys left. Pitbull left, Airpico left, PATCHI left. There's

1641
01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 1: a lot of do that just split, Although not ellen Berg,

1642
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Eblin re signed so that's good for them anyway.

1643
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 1: Was it right for them to sign it? I think

1644
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 1: that they made the right attempt. B see. I think

1645
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 1: that if your PFL in twenty twenty three, do you

1646
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 1: turn down that opportunity to sign Francis. I don't think

1647
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: that you do. But they did not structure a deal

1648
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: that really got Francis, forced him to buy in and

1649
01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:41,559
Speaker 1: give back to the brand. They were too willing to

1650
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 1: give him too many things to get him to sign,

1651
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: and I think so much of that was optional that

1652
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 1: it just became an option he didn't pick. What did

1653
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 1: they really get from it? I don't know.

1654
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a bad deal ultimately. I mean

1655
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 2: they also signed Jake Paul under the idea that he

1656
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 2: would fight for them, and he was just the same thing,

1657
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 2: just did a couple promo videos and showed up at

1658
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 2: fight cards to promote it. I don't know if that's

1659
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: necessarily Francis's fall, If it was a bad deal from

1660
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 2: PFL all along, but the fact that they never got

1661
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: him even to one pay per view fight a year

1662
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 2: or put him in one of their seasonal tournaments, it's

1663
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 2: a massive fail. And I have to say, while we

1664
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: obviously don't know the real back and forth of whether

1665
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: he really should have been at those PFL Africa cards

1666
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 2: and it's his fault or it's the company's faul or

1667
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 2: what have you, pfl's made a ton of mistakes here.

1668
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 2: It's a bad look for him to show up on

1669
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:38,679
Speaker 2: Aerl Hawane show and basically announced that the deal's coming

1670
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: to an end and he'd be more than happy to

1671
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 2: go back and fight John Jones on the White House.

1672
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 2: Like that's a really bad look as well, it's a

1673
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:50,759
Speaker 2: god look. It feels like this was ultimately a major

1674
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: miss and much ado about nothing. He had too much

1675
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 2: freedom in the deal which allowed him, to his credit,

1676
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: he earned it to go make that big money in boxing.

1677
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, even though he got devastatingly

1678
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 2: destroyed by Anthony Joshua, him fighting Tyson Fury and having

1679
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 2: that moment with the knockdown and the split decision loss,

1680
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: like you know, it's an incredible moment in his history,

1681
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,479
Speaker 2: but that had nothing to do with PFL at all,

1682
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 2: so it hasn't worked out. I don't feel like they

1683
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 2: want to be in business with him anymore, Luke. I mean,

1684
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 2: you remember when John Martin took over for the sort

1685
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 2: of the face you know of this operation for PFL.

1686
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: He told me when I interviewed him that time, of like,

1687
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 2: we want to be respectful to Francis. We don't know

1688
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 2: if he wants to fight. Let's meet with him. Francis

1689
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 2: told Ariel they met three times. Everything's fine. But I

1690
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: do not get the feeling like like they believe that

1691
01:24:40,920 --> 01:24:44,200
Speaker 2: his price tag will help them moving forward.

1692
01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the new guy seems to be like,

1693
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 1: what's working about this business? Let's lean into that. What's

1694
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: not working about this business? Let's move on from that.

1695
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:56,040
Speaker 1: Maybe they can sign a new deal with Francis BC

1696
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: that is a little bit better for them, you know,

1697
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,720
Speaker 1: that requires him to do certain things or you know,

1698
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 1: just makes him promote the brand in the way that

1699
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:06,639
Speaker 1: they would prefer. But if they can't get a deal

1700
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 1: like that, there's no need to sign another one. What

1701
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 1: would be the what would be the fucking point of

1702
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: signing another deal like the one that they got. It

1703
01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense. So I I again,

1704
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: I want to be clear. Do I think it made

1705
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 1: sense for the ufc'r UFC for the PFL to pursue Francis,

1706
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 1: How do in twenty twenty three BC? How do you

1707
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 1: not make that call? But you have to look at

1708
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: the life of this deal and the terms that were there,

1709
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:34,640
Speaker 1: and did PFL put enough in there to promote their

1710
01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: own interests? I don't know how you can conclude that

1711
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: they did.

1712
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we do have sound of Francis talking to Ariel

1713
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,639
Speaker 2: and sort of explaining the contract situation.

1714
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 6: Let's listen where I'm getting very close with them on

1715
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 6: the PFO contract, so.

1716
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 3: To get me a fight.

1717
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 11: Okay, when you when you say close, what do you

1718
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 11: mean by that close to the end?

1719
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 4: Yep?

1720
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 11: Okay, when is that so you you talked about wanting

1721
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 11: to fight John Jones at the White House?

1722
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean yes, if that's if that could have happened.

1723
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,839
Speaker 11: Right, would your PFL contract end before that event happens,

1724
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 11: so that it would work out to where you could

1725
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:14,320
Speaker 11: explore that. Yes, Oh my dear, this is this is

1726
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,200
Speaker 11: this is interesting stuff, Francis. But he might not get

1727
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 11: that fight. Seems like they're mad at him because now

1728
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 11: he wants to fight on the White House card. But

1729
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,080
Speaker 11: Dana White said he doesn't trust them to be on

1730
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 11: the White House card, so he's not going to put

1731
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 11: him on there.

1732
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1733
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 6: I think the White the House card is to hire

1734
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 6: way that thing can happen.

1735
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 11: I think what's interesting is you could be a free

1736
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:34,800
Speaker 11: man again.

1737
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, is.

1738
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: If it was up to.

1739
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 11: You, the opponent, the sport, the month, the location, can

1740
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 11: you tell us what you want?

1741
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 6: I would say Douting, I would say John Drums and

1742
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 6: the Old Tale World.

1743
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 11: Do you feel confident that can happen next year?

1744
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:53,760
Speaker 2: Uh?

1745
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 6: Confident? No, But the day's a chance that everything can happen.

1746
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 11: So who or false in the year twenty twenty six

1747
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 11: Frances and Ganu versus John Jones happens true or four? Yeahah,

1748
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 11: that's no, that's the question for you. That's you tell

1749
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 11: me true or fun.

1750
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 6: I don't have I don't have hand on it, you know, Okay,

1751
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 6: So I'm not a DCG maker.

1752
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,799
Speaker 11: Would you be open to going back to the UFC

1753
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 11: if they if they're interested, would you be able to

1754
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:20,320
Speaker 11: talking to them?

1755
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 3: I don't know it's over okay, see, okay, okay, because.

1756
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 11: I think you had a good relationship with Hunter and

1757
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 11: some of the other people there, right, pretty much with

1758
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 11: every bush right, yes, okay.

1759
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: So look, unless Ari and Shapiro can overrule Dana, let's

1760
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:40,599
Speaker 2: throw that out there. We mentioned some of the options.

1761
01:27:40,680 --> 01:27:43,800
Speaker 2: Rico Verhouven could be something interesting. I wonder if he

1762
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: didn't resign with PFL, could he go fight Rug rug

1763
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 2: in One Championship or Mallick. I don't know if anyone

1764
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 2: that would actually care. I have to say it again,

1765
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 2: I think he dropped. Yeah, I think he dropped the

1766
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 2: ball with this Jake Paul thing. Because if Jake Paul

1767
01:27:57,320 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 2: loses My Vicious knockout, which every buddy with the exception

1768
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:04,759
Speaker 2: of Tyson Fury and Demetrius Johnson are predicting, they're predicting

1769
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 2: the opposite, that would seem like that would potentially kill

1770
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 2: a lot of the value in seeing Jake maybe finally

1771
01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 2: get his which would be a lot of the value

1772
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:17,200
Speaker 2: of that fight. When I've said from the beginning, the

1773
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 2: boss at the end of the video game for Jake Paul,

1774
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 2: short of fighting a real fighter is Francis and Gano,

1775
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:26,559
Speaker 2: Like if he went in there and beat out Box

1776
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 2: Francis and Gano and didn't get kotin one, Like, that's

1777
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: the biggest street cred Jake Paul can get like again

1778
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 2: short of like winning an actual cruiserweight championship and Francis

1779
01:28:38,640 --> 01:28:42,040
Speaker 2: missed that, because it's probably not gonna be the same

1780
01:28:42,360 --> 01:28:44,839
Speaker 2: value if if Jake gets killed next week.

1781
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: Right, Uh, it will not be the same value if

1782
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: Jake gets killed next week and if Jake somehow overperforms

1783
01:28:54,160 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: I'm not saying wins, but you know, lasts longer than

1784
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 1: people will imagine or something. You know, does he even

1785
01:29:00,479 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: care about Francis at that point either, I don't know.

1786
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, interesting stuff there. Let's talk about this

1787
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,200
Speaker 2: leon card Saturday, PFL. I'm sure you're gonna have to

1788
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 2: go through multiple paywalls on ESPN Plus to acquire it,

1789
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,479
Speaker 2: but we have the inaugural PFL Heavyweight Championship at stake

1790
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 2: in the main event, and I think again, this is

1791
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: the right move for the PFL if they're going to

1792
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 2: survive in carve out space to get away from the

1793
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 2: tournament format to have actual defending champions. I don't hate

1794
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:32,759
Speaker 2: this matchup, but Deem Nemcoff, the former Belator light heavyweight champion,

1795
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 2: is unbeaten in fourteen consecutive fights. He's moved up to

1796
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 2: heavyweight a few fights ago. He's got wins over names

1797
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:43,799
Speaker 2: that we know very well. He's a minus five eighty

1798
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: betting favorite against the big Brazilian Fajeda, who was stopped

1799
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:52,080
Speaker 2: by Anganu at plus three eighty. When we're talking about Nemcoff,

1800
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:57,280
Speaker 2: he recently beat Joel Romero, Corey Anderson, Timothy Johnson, Bruno Capalosa,

1801
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 2: Phil Davis, Ryan Bader back in the bell toward days

1802
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 2: Davis twice. Luke, do you have much interest in this?

1803
01:30:04,120 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I'll give it a whirl if I can

1804
01:30:06,280 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 2: access it. What do you think them finally crowning a

1805
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 2: real heavyweight champion and having someone like Nemkov, who's a

1806
01:30:13,080 --> 01:30:14,920
Speaker 2: good ass fighter at age thirty three.

1807
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: Means Nemkov has figured it out. He's like, why am

1808
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: I gonna fight Corey Anderson, who's real tough? I mean,

1809
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,760
Speaker 1: he obviously he did and he won, But I'm saying

1810
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: that's a tough fight when I could just go up

1811
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:28,720
Speaker 1: to heavyweight and fight the diggity donks of MMA. You know,

1812
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,519
Speaker 1: what I mean, like, why even bother with that bullshit?

1813
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,920
Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna have great success here. And

1814
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 1: also to the point you raised, MEC PFL kind of

1815
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 1: ironing out their divisions, putting some champions there, letting people

1816
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,479
Speaker 1: know who the contenders are, who matters, and then you know,

1817
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:47,160
Speaker 1: creating cards in ways that are in keeping with those visions.

1818
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:49,880
Speaker 1: It's just it's just so important. So I love this

1819
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: opportunity for Nemcov. You know, haas Faheada's dangerous, big puncher. Obviously,

1820
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:57,639
Speaker 1: if Nemkov's not careful, you know, mma, it's anything can happen.

1821
01:30:58,040 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 1: But I think the guy has set himself up to

1822
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:02,040
Speaker 1: have a nice little run here at PFL. And I

1823
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: don't know about the Francis and Ghanu fight because I

1824
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,639
Speaker 1: don't it's a tough fight for Francis, to be honest

1825
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,599
Speaker 1: with you. I mean, you could pick Francis over Nimkov

1826
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,360
Speaker 1: if you want, and I wouldn't quarrel with it. But

1827
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: that's not a chuck fighter, like as a good fighter,

1828
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 1: he'd have to beat there, and he's got really not

1829
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 1: much of a name. But you know, a different problem

1830
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: for a different time. This is this is a totally

1831
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:26,960
Speaker 1: reasonable and frankly worthwhile fight for the for a PFL

1832
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: to make.

1833
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: If Nemkov beats Forjeda in PFL, waits for the current

1834
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 2: deal to expire and then offers Francis decent money. I'm

1835
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:36,840
Speaker 2: down for Francis nemclough like, let's go.

1836
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: Well, I would take it. I just don't know if

1837
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: Francis would take it. But I don't know what hen

1838
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck he wants, you know,

1839
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 1: all right?

1840
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 2: In that co main event, the inaugural PFL Women's Featherweight

1841
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Championship will be on the line as forty year old

1842
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 2: legend Chris Cyborg enters as a monster favorite minus nine

1843
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 2: to twenty according to DraftKings, against Sarah Collins, who is

1844
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 2: plus five fifty. Sarah Collins is a Australia thirty five

1845
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: year old Australian who in MMA is six and oh.

1846
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,520
Speaker 2: As a pro, this has been through Bellatour and now PFL,

1847
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 2: She's beaten names like Leam mccorr, Sneed Kavanaugh, Pam Sorenson.

1848
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 2: We have sound here of Cyborg talking about her incredible legacy.

1849
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:20,640
Speaker 2: I'm just happy she got a fight here.

1850
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 9: Let's go, well, how much longer do you want to

1851
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,120
Speaker 9: do this and is there things that you still have

1852
01:32:25,320 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 9: left to achieve, because as I said, you've pretty much

1853
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:28,360
Speaker 9: almost done it all.

1854
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:32,800
Speaker 12: Like all, So this is my legacy to the start

1855
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,680
Speaker 12: to and fought Pascheko last year. I'm gonna fight now

1856
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 12: started calling. I have my last contract, my last fight

1857
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 12: to my contract PFL next year and this is gonna

1858
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 12: be my final fight in MMA.

1859
01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:46,759
Speaker 2: I'm going to complete it twenty one year in the sport.

1860
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 2: And the problem.

1861
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 12: I'm gonna do some boxing fight next year and I

1862
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,720
Speaker 12: will train hard for having the opportunity fight for one

1863
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 12: tie in boxing. But the last year is going to

1864
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 12: be last year the Chris Cyborg. And so because this

1865
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:04,639
Speaker 12: is a this is the next one, it's a special

1866
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:08,760
Speaker 12: fight because I do have so many moments step in

1867
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,719
Speaker 12: the cage. So for me, every momented the scamp, every

1868
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 12: momented my next fights, I'm gonna put more forward, the

1869
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,360
Speaker 12: training hard because I know it's gonna it's getting short.

1870
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 9: Are you almost excited for to kind of wrap things

1871
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 9: up or you get a little bit nostalgic and starry

1872
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 9: that it's coming to an end.

1873
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,560
Speaker 12: I think I think I'm a weadit for not that

1874
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 12: chapter in my life. But I have a fire in

1875
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,559
Speaker 12: my heart. I can go forever. But yeah, I think

1876
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,240
Speaker 12: you have to be smart. I think I'll work a

1877
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 12: really hard for the whole way. And I have some

1878
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 12: fire to burn for sure. I you know, I I

1879
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,439
Speaker 12: love what I do, but I have some different ghosts too,

1880
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 12: and and I have to see the timeframe and like family,

1881
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 12: like I went back to the school and be a vet.

1882
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,439
Speaker 12: So I have a lot of things I want, Fox,

1883
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,559
Speaker 12: and I think you will. For you to do something great,

1884
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 12: you have to be able to give you one hundred percent.

1885
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 12: So if I can don't give him one hundred percent, better.

1886
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 4: Led the others to do.

1887
01:34:12,120 --> 01:34:14,280
Speaker 2: A legend right there. And I'm not talking about Danny

1888
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:17,040
Speaker 2: Sigerhaf friend of the program, A true legend in Cyborg.

1889
01:34:17,400 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 2: Veterinarian Luke, I hope she doesn't be putting down these

1890
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,960
Speaker 2: animals left and right like she does her opponents right there.

1891
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,680
Speaker 1: Uh, just uppercutting your labrador.

1892
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luke, this is this is a one hundred.

1893
01:34:28,479 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send her to your house and just have

1894
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 1: her wreck shop.

1895
01:34:31,439 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 2: On those Reggie, stay away from Cyborg. This is a

1896
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 2: one forty five bout, Luke, she mentioned she has one

1897
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:37,599
Speaker 2: more fight in MMA.

1898
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: Could that come? Hey, let's see your cat's butthole?

1899
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:45,080
Speaker 2: Could that come against the one twenty five Queen Dakota Ditschiva.

1900
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 2: If PFL really wants to make Ditchava a star or

1901
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,240
Speaker 2: is that too much weight? That's too much?

1902
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 1: That might be too much. Cyborg is certainly long in

1903
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,120
Speaker 1: the tooth. I'm not saying you couldn't do it. It's

1904
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: a little on the risky side, but I don't that's

1905
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 1: the right one. Just give her other people she can

1906
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 1: just crush, you know.

1907
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 2: I mean, she's wanted big boxing matches. She couldn't get it,

1908
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:08,240
Speaker 2: the like Si Katie Taylor. She's wanted to fight for PFL,

1909
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 2: and they she's had just one fight. So good for

1910
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 2: her to get this opportunity and come back on Saturday,

1911
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 2: Long Island. Look, you fired up for Australia Sarah Collins

1912
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 2: or you have no idea who that is?

1913
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 4: Be honest, I have no idea who that is.

1914
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 5: Isaac Thompson, who's fighting Joe Anderson Brito, also Australian.

1915
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:26,080
Speaker 2: Just for this, all right, let's go to topic number five.

1916
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,040
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you I am so damn fired up

1917
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:33,439
Speaker 2: for this January thirty. First, I believe it's a designed

1918
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 2: pay per view, It's a Turkey Ala Chic ring card,

1919
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 2: and it is a fantastic matchup as Teyo Femo Lopez

1920
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 2: Junior will defend his one hundred and forty pound title

1921
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,960
Speaker 2: against three division champion Shakher Stevenson, who's moving up to

1922
01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 2: one forty. They hold a press conference inside New York's

1923
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden where the fight will take place at

1924
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 2: the end of January to promote this showdown, Luke, let's

1925
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: let's talk about this for fans who go enough by

1926
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 2: boxing on this show already, this is a great ass fight.

1927
01:36:03,479 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 2: What in your opinion, what's on the line between these

1928
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:10,240
Speaker 2: two and what realistically can the winner say about what

1929
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:12,760
Speaker 2: it would mean to beat the other one here in

1930
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 2: this matchup between two young American stars BC.

1931
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't often do this, but I'm gonna take my

1932
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 1: UNO Reverse Card imaginary UNO Reverse Card. I'm gonna show

1933
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: it to you, and I'm gonna ask you to tell us,

1934
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 1: because I think you're much better situated to explain I

1935
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 1: mean this. I'll weigh in it after you do, obviously,

1936
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: but please answer that question for us and give us

1937
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 1: that patented BC Naugatuck enthusiasm.

1938
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,360
Speaker 2: Wow, thank you for that setup right here. Look, this

1939
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:42,600
Speaker 2: is one of the best fights you can make in

1940
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 2: the entire sport. These two are part of the extended

1941
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,680
Speaker 2: Four Princes, five fighters young American names that we've you know,

1942
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:54,760
Speaker 2: had nauseum talked about, the Haines Tanks, Ryan Garcias, and

1943
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:59,680
Speaker 2: these two who unfortunately have not truly panned out and

1944
01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,360
Speaker 2: have not fought each other in the type of round

1945
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 2: robin style that we were hoping to recreate the Four

1946
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 2: Kings of the nineteen eighties. But what you have right

1947
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 2: here is arguably two top ten pound for pound fighters

1948
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:14,879
Speaker 2: at the peak of their physical primes. Look, Shakur Stevenson

1949
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:17,360
Speaker 2: has had a rough stretch, some of it self induced,

1950
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 2: in recent fights, from his fallout to top rank to

1951
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,000
Speaker 2: the multiple boring of fights where he fought with an

1952
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 2: injured hand people walking out of his own home town

1953
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,960
Speaker 2: arena in Newark. But when he stepped in there against

1954
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,120
Speaker 2: Williams of Paid the last fight in a fight that

1955
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 2: really could have been for the ring championship at lightweight,

1956
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 2: only it wasn't officially one versus two because Keyshan Davis

1957
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 2: at that time held a higher ranking. I think he

1958
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 2: proved to everyone what I've been trying to say forever,

1959
01:37:43,240 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 2: that could he shit the bed and have a boring

1960
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,519
Speaker 2: fight randomly, Yes, but we're looking at a future pound

1961
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: for pound king right here. And even though he originally

1962
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 2: won his titles in smaller weight classes, he's much bigger

1963
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:57,479
Speaker 2: and taller than people realized, insanely skilled, and I love

1964
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:00,200
Speaker 2: that he's moving up to a fourth division and he

1965
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 2: wants the ring champion right there. And Tayo Femo Lopez,

1966
01:38:03,439 --> 01:38:06,479
Speaker 2: who won that distinction when he defeated Josh Taylor a

1967
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 2: few years back, And if you recall, it was at

1968
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 2: a time when we wondered if Tayo Femo had lost

1969
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:15,160
Speaker 2: his mind and his ability. Remember those kind of sketchy

1970
01:38:15,240 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 2: decision wins he had where he even said to himself

1971
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 2: in the ring, do I still got it? He still

1972
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 2: had it against Josh Taylor, he still had it against Lomachenko.

1973
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 2: He can dial it up when he needs to, and

1974
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:30,280
Speaker 2: this matchup skill for skill is one of the best

1975
01:38:30,320 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 2: things you can do in all of American boxing. And

1976
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 2: for some of the criticism we've given at times to

1977
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 2: getting a lot of versace, Reno on the air or

1978
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: what Turkey's doing. The fact that he's making this fight

1979
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 2: and putting it in Madison Square Garden in the big room.

1980
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,760
Speaker 2: That's everything I want as a boxing fan right there.

1981
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:51,200
Speaker 2: I need to be at this fight as a journalist

1982
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 2: and fan to see it. And I think everyone needs

1983
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:55,720
Speaker 2: to realize that these this is as good as it's

1984
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 2: going to get skill wise, The ability of the South

1985
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,240
Speaker 2: Paul Stevenson as a counterpart Untre as a slickboxer who

1986
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,960
Speaker 2: proved against Williams Ofpata that he can stand in there

1987
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 2: and fight and almost brawl if he really needs to

1988
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 2: against a pressure fighter, now having an entirely new matchup

1989
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 2: against the athletic, unorthodox style of Tao Femo Lopez. The

1990
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 2: early odds on this fight, by the way, are minus

1991
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:22,759
Speaker 2: three point fifty in favor of Stevenson plus two fifty

1992
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 2: for Tao Femo. Even though Stevenson is moving up in Wait,

1993
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 2: can we show the face off here from what we

1994
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 2: saw at MSG. Luke Thomas, I gotta say, as we

1995
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:33,160
Speaker 2: load this up.

1996
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 4: Hello, it has audio so I could play it, but

1997
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 4: you're not gonna be able to.

1998
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:40,519
Speaker 1: I guess, let's see.

1999
01:39:40,360 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 2: It, Luke, I would say, my biggest takeaway there is

2000
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:09,759
Speaker 2: that even though Tayo Femo is obviously the naturally bigger fighter,

2001
01:40:11,439 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 2: Chakour don't look small there. Chakour looks like the bigger

2002
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 2: fighter in this matchup. He's the more skilled fighter. I

2003
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 2: want to get your reaction to those odds I mentioned

2004
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 2: minus three p fifty in favor of Shakur, And what

2005
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 2: do you love about this fight?

2006
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,320
Speaker 1: First of all, of all the four princes or whatever

2007
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:31,080
Speaker 1: you want to call them, I feel like Tao, you know,

2008
01:40:31,240 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: Chris Algeri has kind of nailed it. He's up, he's down,

2009
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:35,479
Speaker 1: and when he's up he's electric. When he's down it's baffling,

2010
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: you know. But he's the one that's tried to get

2011
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: the most smoke. I feel like, yeah, you know, like

2012
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: going after Limachenko and now this one, and certainly that's

2013
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: not the complete list, but it just seems to me

2014
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 1: like he's a little bit more ready for it. Plus

2015
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: he didn't shit the bed at that Times Square event either.

2016
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:55,640
Speaker 1: He actually looked pretty good. All things being what they are,

2017
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:01,080
Speaker 1: to me, Shaquor is the best technician in certainly in

2018
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: the lower waight classes in the sport. Tao, I think

2019
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: is a better athlete BC and a little bit more

2020
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:08,760
Speaker 1: of a risk taker and a little bit more of

2021
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,600
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe this is not the right way to describe it,

2022
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 1: but to me it seems like a little bit more

2023
01:41:14,280 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 1: of a creative athletic type. And yeah, good puncher exactly,

2024
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 1: He's got some which Chakor is not. And I feel

2025
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:25,880
Speaker 1: like Chakor knows how to box better than him, But

2026
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 1: I just don't know what he's gonna do with the

2027
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 1: unpredictability and the physicality that a guy like that can present.

2028
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 1: And again he'll take risks to BC. It's a hell

2029
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:34,559
Speaker 1: of a style clash.

2030
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 2: It is.

2031
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: It is one of the most is you indicated, important

2032
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 1: fights and big fights you can make in boxing. But

2033
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: I would honestly say when I say fun, I don't

2034
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,880
Speaker 1: mean it's gonna be rock em soccam, but fun in

2035
01:41:48,040 --> 01:41:51,400
Speaker 1: terms of like the puzzle and how they solve that

2036
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 1: for each other is going to be remarkable to watch.

2037
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 1: And it's gonna be in New York City, tales from there,

2038
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 1: as you indicated, across the river in Newark. Like dude,

2039
01:42:03,160 --> 01:42:05,760
Speaker 1: it is not much to dislike about that fight. Not

2040
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 1: much to dislike about it, and guys in their primes

2041
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:09,320
Speaker 1: fighting each other.

2042
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,720
Speaker 2: I mean, the winner is gonna get catapulted toward that

2043
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 2: top five of the pound for pound. And this has

2044
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:15,920
Speaker 2: been a stretch in which guys like usik in Away

2045
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:20,240
Speaker 2: and Crawford and Canelo before his falling off, have dominated

2046
01:42:20,280 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 2: the POMD for pound for the last few years. So

2047
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 2: this is about the new blood getting their opportunities. Finally,

2048
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:29,080
Speaker 2: Shakur could not get the opportunities he wanted. That's why

2049
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:31,040
Speaker 2: he kept moving up in Wade. He never got Loma,

2050
01:42:31,120 --> 01:42:34,000
Speaker 2: You never got these type of huge fights. He's got

2051
01:42:34,120 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 2: it here. This is daring to be great. And it

2052
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 2: was a little bit weird, by the way, the back

2053
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:41,040
Speaker 2: and forth at this press conference. A lot of that

2054
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 2: is because Tao was playing mind games. But at some

2055
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:47,160
Speaker 2: point I got a little salty and spicy, spicy enough

2056
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 2: we had to call in Cuervo for a little bit

2057
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 2: shots fire. Let's take a little listen in to what

2058
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 2: we saw there yesterday that yes, you had opportunities to

2059
01:43:02,160 --> 01:43:04,840
Speaker 2: be we're talking about else. You had the opportunity to

2060
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 2: be the best at one thirty five.

2061
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 8: Okay, you ain't tend to do that because because you

2062
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 8: got brothers.

2063
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,960
Speaker 13: My brothers hold on talking about let's let's let's understand

2064
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 13: what you're saying. Keith Shawn had one fight where he got.

2065
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 2: The belt right right at thirty five.

2066
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:24,679
Speaker 8: Yes, okay after that fight he had, But you're getting

2067
01:43:24,680 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 8: what I'm you had a belt for it. No, you're

2068
01:43:26,479 --> 01:43:29,400
Speaker 8: saying that I'm not fighting the best. I will fight anybody.

2069
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 8: I'm just not your brothers. No, I'm not fighting somebody

2070
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 8: I came up with, and this is somebody I've really

2071
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:36,679
Speaker 8: been with, like on some real trenches.

2072
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:37,720
Speaker 2: Me and this person, I'm not.

2073
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:40,760
Speaker 8: There Ain't no money in the world that's gonna make

2074
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 8: me do that, bro, all Right, So like let's say

2075
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:43,439
Speaker 8: that was I would fight you.

2076
01:43:43,680 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 2: Let's say that was the case.

2077
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 13: You to god you, I ain't gonna see no unifications

2078
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:51,120
Speaker 13: at forty if he tries to take mine because he buddied.

2079
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 8: With, Ain't you gonna beat me?

2080
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,160
Speaker 4: But I'm saying, ain't you gonna be saying that?

2081
01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 2: That's what we're saying.

2082
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,560
Speaker 8: If you gonna beat me, I know what I'm gonna do.

2083
01:43:58,680 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 8: I know what I'm gonna erase my name.

2084
01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,439
Speaker 2: I know what I'm going to do this one.

2085
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,160
Speaker 5: Basically, what I'm trying to let you know is that

2086
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,880
Speaker 5: Box ain't gonna allow with But how Box is not

2087
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 5: gonna allow it.

2088
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 4: It won't how because now you're facing me.

2089
01:44:12,600 --> 01:44:16,080
Speaker 8: Oh shit, I'm so scared to your ams. I'm frightened.

2090
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,760
Speaker 8: I'm so I'm scared for my life. I'm facing you.

2091
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:23,120
Speaker 3: M that shit.

2092
01:44:23,160 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 8: Don't move me, Bro, I can't wait to see you.

2093
01:44:25,200 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 13: I've been waiting on this. I don't know how you

2094
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 13: don't understand. I've been waiting on this moment forever, like

2095
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:32,000
Speaker 13: it's been years and years for.

2096
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:34,439
Speaker 8: This moment right here. You gave me the opportunity. I

2097
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 8: appreciate you for that, but shit, come with it.

2098
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 2: Facts, Yeah, I expected it. Chra Courder be the favorite,

2099
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:46,600
Speaker 2: not by maybe this widely against someone like Tayo, but

2100
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:49,360
Speaker 2: what you make of the Mister Versace podcast.

2101
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 4: Set right there.

2102
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:52,880
Speaker 1: Liberaci's gained weight.

2103
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 2: Uh, just an absolutely fantastic matchup. Obviously, Tayo was trying

2104
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,560
Speaker 2: to clown Chakor for not fighting Keishaan Davis because of

2105
01:45:04,600 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 2: their friendly background there, so that's what they were building

2106
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 2: off of. They had some weird back and forth. I'm

2107
01:45:10,280 --> 01:45:12,639
Speaker 2: sure we'll show up on have you Seen this Shit?

2108
01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 2: On Monday? But an absolutely uh fantastic fight. And by

2109
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,479
Speaker 2: the way, this shots Fired was brought to you by Quervo.

2110
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:22,240
Speaker 2: Now is a good time to enjoy the tequila that

2111
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 2: invented tequila. I do you have one more quick quick

2112
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,680
Speaker 2: clip I want to show. Here's Shakoor talking about the

2113
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 2: weaknesses he sees in Tao in this matchup.

2114
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 13: I've seen a lot of weaknesses in his game too.

2115
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 13: And something that he said earlier, he said, I know

2116
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 13: TiO never lost a South call.

2117
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 3: Well, I never lost so orthodox, so it.

2118
01:45:40,439 --> 01:45:43,679
Speaker 4: Ain't no different. But the difference is you never fought

2119
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:45,000
Speaker 4: no no eliaf fighter.

2120
01:45:45,960 --> 01:45:47,040
Speaker 8: Okay, I don't think y'all.

2121
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:48,679
Speaker 1: David Oh, so you got a show with baby.

2122
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 2: I don't either. I ain't.

2123
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Speaker 8: I ain't seen Lima Chanko throw no punches.

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Speaker 4: You've never been on a big stage like this.

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Speaker 8: I didn't see Lima Chanko throw punches.

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Speaker 1: You've never been on a big stage.

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Speaker 8: They see lemon tango thrown. Okay, you're gonna see We're

2128
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Speaker 8: gonna freeze you too.

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Speaker 1: You better not.

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01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 4: You better not go to twin.

2131
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you out of your mind.

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Speaker 4: Okay, my so forth without here, my so forth, without.

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01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:19,599
Speaker 5: No air against combosas you can't fight.

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Speaker 1: You can't fight.

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Speaker 8: Go tell me, man, come on, you can't fight for

2136
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:24,599
Speaker 8: your son?

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01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 4: I bet you you go quit?

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Speaker 1: Okay?

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01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 4: You see all right?

2140
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well back and forth stuff. Good ship right there.

2141
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,759
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that January thirty first at MSG.

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01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 2: Kind of reminds me almost of Oscar de la Hoya

2143
01:46:40,720 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 2: against Parnell Whittaker. It's got some of those vibes. Luke,

2144
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a high skill event.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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01:46:46,080 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 2: Good ship all the way, Luke. Those are our five topics.

2147
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 2: What didn't make the cut though, was that apparently Jamal

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01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 2: Hill tried to one smash Ijuanna and then we had

2149
01:46:56,280 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 2: some weirdness. Uh do you have any thoughts on that

2150
01:46:59,200 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 2: or we're gonna just.

2151
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:00,519
Speaker 3: Go move on?

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01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean Hill did threaten to ko Yo Wanna

2153
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,120
Speaker 2: if she messes with his girl?

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01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did you see the dude who recorded the video.

2155
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 2: The more I looked into this, the more I just

2156
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 2: kind of wanted to not care about this at all.

2157
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 1: But no, it was the guy who was there, the

2158
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 1: one who recorded the video. It was like a UFC

2159
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:22,080
Speaker 1: super fan. He was like, you know, I didn't see everything.

2160
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:23,599
Speaker 1: He was very clear. He's like I did not see

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01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 1: everything he goes, but to the extent I saw anything

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01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:28,680
Speaker 1: it looked like and he was you know, he was

2163
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 1: very careful with his language. He goes, it looked like yo,

2164
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 1: wanna might have been the instigator. And then because if

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01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:36,880
Speaker 1: you asked Jamal's video, I didn't watch the whole thing.

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01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:38,200
Speaker 1: I got through like eighteen minutes of it.

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01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,599
Speaker 2: It's like he was showing DMS luke. He was showing

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01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 2: a little better, a little bit what it's like when

2169
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:44,680
Speaker 2: champions try to Uh, he was.

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01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: In it to win it. I mean, there's no denying

2171
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 1: he was in it.

2172
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:48,800
Speaker 2: Actually got respect for that part of it.

2173
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:51,840
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is like he the whole video

2174
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,920
Speaker 1: is him being like I genuinely have no fucking idea

2175
01:47:55,000 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 1: what was wrong, Like I don't like cannot put it together.

2176
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:00,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know, Like I know people are out

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01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 1: on Jamal, but the evidence does not show me that

2178
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 1: he's the problem here necessarily. Although don't with the exception

2179
01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 1: of don't threaten to ko women that tends to.

2180
01:48:10,920 --> 01:48:13,360
Speaker 2: Be a It was absolutely gross and disgusting, and I

2181
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:16,599
Speaker 2: am glad though that Hill was able to I guess

2182
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 2: at least soften the blow of what we initially thought

2183
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 2: when that video came out, you know, now we're under

2184
01:48:22,160 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 2: these Instead of being like, oh my god, this guy's

2185
01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,599
Speaker 2: a monster, now we're just like, yeah, they're both crazy assholes.

2186
01:48:27,640 --> 01:48:29,880
Speaker 1: Let's be yeah. You see listen when when Yo Wanna

2187
01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:31,599
Speaker 1: and Jcheck tried to fight me on the New York

2188
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: City subways, you were there. You watched it and was

2189
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:36,640
Speaker 1: calling me slurs. I just kept it moving, you know

2190
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,599
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And there was no There was no problem, Luke.

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01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 2: Tough question to ask, but here we go. Do you

2192
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:49,840
Speaker 2: think any former champions in UFC have smashed that we

2193
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:50,880
Speaker 2: just don't know about?

2194
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:51,479
Speaker 1: Okay?

2195
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:55,720
Speaker 2: I don't care, like beyond Mandy and Nino, like I mean, like.

2196
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 1: Like mathematically the answer has to be yes. But I

2197
01:48:58,840 --> 01:49:01,200
Speaker 1: want to be as clear as possible. I'd rather eat

2198
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 1: a bullet than talk another five seconds about this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can we erase this from the history of our show?

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01:49:07,240 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 1: Please?

2201
01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:10,759
Speaker 2: Everything that just happened. Let's go to our final segments.

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01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 2: When the email address is offered to you each week

2203
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 2: the fan Morningcombat at gmail dot com to send in

2204
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,599
Speaker 2: your fan subs, of which we have none this week,

2205
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 2: or at least none that have been deemed either funny

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01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 2: or all you not eleven fans, Sorry, we cannot serve

2207
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:27,639
Speaker 2: you this week.

2208
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 1: But it's like, yeah, we have. We have fifty entrants

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Speaker 1: this week. Here's the problem. Forty seven of them are

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01:49:33,880 --> 01:49:35,920
Speaker 1: about nine to eleven. You know, it's like, I don't

2211
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:36,560
Speaker 1: think we can do that.

2212
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Speaker 2: They actually are a a disgusting amount of nine to

2213
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Speaker 2: eleven content send into us at that email address, along

2214
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Speaker 2: with people's packages. Mikey's on the other end of it.

2215
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:48,679
Speaker 2: But we do offer you an opportunity with dead Wrong

2216
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 2: to air out your grievances of what we didn't get right.

2217
01:49:52,680 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 2: So let's hear it. This one's called dead wrong, then

2218
01:49:57,680 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 2: wrong all right. We have male viewers, and William is

2219
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 2: one of them. He says, how do you guys, it's

2220
01:50:06,320 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 2: will from Sydney here again one for the Dead Wrong.

2221
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,440
Speaker 2: At one hour and four minutes. BC mentions that Suhuto

2222
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:17,679
Speaker 2: outslugged Benavetez early in his career. Well, he's dead wrong

2223
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:20,599
Speaker 2: because Suhuto was actually on the losing end. You're right

2224
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 2: of a decision that night that was twenty sixteen. I

2225
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 2: don't blame Brian, since consensus is that it's not the

2226
01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:30,880
Speaker 2: greatest decision. Always loved the show. Gentlemen, I don't even

2227
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 2: remember saying that Suhudo won it, but if I did,

2228
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 2: I was obviously wrong. I know Benavitez won that fight.

2229
01:50:36,720 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 2: Very good fight, Luke, very good fight.

2230
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:41,520
Speaker 1: You remember that, very good fight? Yes, indeed, indeed.

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01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,320
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to our second and final one. Well,

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01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 2: it's a quick stop this week, Nate says, sup, My

2233
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 2: Donk brothers have forty four minutes and eleven seconds of

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01:50:51,120 --> 01:50:55,719
Speaker 2: Monday Show, the obviously top shelf. Luke Thomas said, Jed

2235
01:50:56,280 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 2: Mischu smells like quote mad Dog fifty to fifty and

2236
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:01,560
Speaker 2: butt sweat.

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01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 1: The correct twenty Yeah of the liquid.

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01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 2: Hangover juice, Jed smells like is mad Dog twenty twenty,

2239
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:11,840
Speaker 2: probably because you always regret drinking it in hindsight. As

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01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:15,120
Speaker 2: punishment for this grievous error, Luke should have to drink

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01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 2: MD twenty twenty on the next pregame preview so he

2242
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,640
Speaker 2: can reconnect with his own dirtbag teenage years. Here's to

2243
01:51:22,760 --> 01:51:25,720
Speaker 2: poor life choices. It's Nate. Thank you, Nate.

2244
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:29,160
Speaker 1: Genuinely, I'm unsure that if I drank that would I

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01:51:29,320 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: automatically get diabetes? Probably right.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, we have a fantastic sponsorship with Quervos, So that's

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01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 2: all we will be drinking during pregame preview.

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Speaker 1: But that's right.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd always be down for like an old

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Speaker 2: school room service diaries. Remember that time we got forties, Luke,

2252
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,719
Speaker 2: those were great times right in Newark.

2253
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a good day.

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01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:52,679
Speaker 2: Yeah not Newark, sorry, not Newark, Jersey City.

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Speaker 1: We got forties. Oh right, what am I saying? Yes,

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01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:55,639
Speaker 1: you're so right?

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01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:59,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wild times in the life of MK. Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: A g to let your voice be heard. A reminder

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Speaker 2: that this episode of Morning Combat has been brought to

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Speaker 2: I'm you may have missed the uh expedited shipping to

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Speaker 2: guarantee it for the holidays, but if you've got Kwanza

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Speaker 2: celebrators in your life. Buy it for the New year.

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Speaker 2: Just buy it Morning Coombat Dot Shop, Long Island, Luke

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Speaker 2: one more time, please, sir, along with the final fight

2272
01:52:54,720 --> 01:52:57,160
Speaker 2: night card in ESPN UFC history that you will be

2273
01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 2: live streaming on the main card. Minute, tell the people

2274
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:02,200
Speaker 2: about this prop quiz that's about to hit.

2275
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:05,400
Speaker 5: Right, So, in roughly thirty two minutes we got Oscar

2276
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:07,160
Speaker 5: Willis taken on brett O Kamoto.

2277
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 4: Great matchup.

2278
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 5: Also, just want to mention Minel Cop the only fighter

2279
01:53:11,439 --> 01:53:13,840
Speaker 5: yet to weigh in, and I believe he only has

2280
01:53:13,880 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 5: a few minutes. I think in Vegas they only do

2281
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:17,879
Speaker 5: an hour for the weigh INDs if I'm not mistaken,

2282
01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:19,840
Speaker 5: So he's uh, he's getting down to the skin of

2283
01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 5: his teeth here.

2284
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,080
Speaker 4: If this fight gets canceled for like a fifth time,

2285
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 4: it's going to be wild.

2286
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 5: But yes, I'll be doing a full card watch along

2287
01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 5: for tomorrow seven pm Eastern.

2288
01:53:27,439 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 4: Tune in for that.

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01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 2: Thank you, Long Alan. Would you say Bretto Kamoto is

2290
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,360
Speaker 2: the classiest individual that has entered your program?

2291
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm running my brain right now of all

2292
01:53:36,560 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 4: the other titles on it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

2293
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:41,200
Speaker 2: Respect respect to Abe.

2294
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:42,920
Speaker 4: I'll put an ab number one.

2295
01:53:43,600 --> 01:53:46,639
Speaker 2: What are the current poundful pound rankings right now? Respect

2296
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:48,760
Speaker 2: to Jose Young's the champion, But what does it look

2297
01:53:48,840 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 2: like at the moment?

2298
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 4: You're the number one contender BC.

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01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 2: That's UFC style, right, No matter how badly you lose

2300
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 2: the title, you get to stay number one.

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01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:58,240
Speaker 4: I will say a repeating person.

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01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:01,719
Speaker 5: Not in this episode, but the other episode we recorded,

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01:54:01,960 --> 01:54:04,640
Speaker 5: Uh moved up in the ranking, so there's a lot

2304
01:54:04,640 --> 01:54:05,040
Speaker 5: of changing.

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01:54:05,120 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 4: Well, I'll release a new ranking at the end of

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01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 4: the year.

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01:54:07,479 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 2: Luke, I'm I'm sad that lt I'm sad that I've

2308
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:13,439
Speaker 2: become the hoist Gracie of you know, many of prop

2309
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:15,360
Speaker 2: quiz history. You know, there was a time that I

2310
01:54:15,600 --> 01:54:19,040
Speaker 2: was oddly dominant, and then that time came to a close.

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01:54:19,200 --> 01:54:20,920
Speaker 4: You know, that's what it is.

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01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:21,960
Speaker 12: You know.

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01:54:22,280 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 1: All right, Great, guess what did you doing this weekend?

2314
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 2: I will be on CBS Sports HQ after the fights

2315
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:30,680
Speaker 2: tomorrow night.

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01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 3: Uh.

2317
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:34,960
Speaker 2: I got to finish my Christmas shopping for my lovely wife.

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01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:40,240
Speaker 2: That's about it, Luke. You know yourself. Kids parties, Yeah,

2319
01:54:40,680 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 2: good kids parties all the time, just kids parties.

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01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:46,600
Speaker 1: All look at me all the fucking time.

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01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 2: Uh, do you have officially COVID or AIDS?

2322
01:54:51,200 --> 01:54:51,240
Speaker 3: No.

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01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 1: I took a test this morning, these new tests. By

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01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 1: the way, I was telling our producer this, Oh cop

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01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:00,120
Speaker 1: made weight one twenty six. Jesus Christ, I'll tell our

2326
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:01,880
Speaker 1: producers this because I've been sick all weekend. I was like,

2327
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,720
Speaker 1: what the fuck is wrong with me? Uh? And you

2328
01:55:04,800 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 1: can get these I didn't know this. You can get

2329
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: these tests now. They tell it's like COVID and then

2330
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,240
Speaker 1: flu type A and flu type B all in one

2331
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 1: like you can do. And it all came up negative.

2332
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:15,360
Speaker 1: I took two of them. They all came up negative.

2333
01:55:15,920 --> 01:55:18,280
Speaker 1: So I guess I just have AIDS. I don't know.

2334
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't really understand other than full blown, full blown AIDS.

2335
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is.

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01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:26,960
Speaker 2: All right, Well, if you die over the weekend, Luke,

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Speaker 2: we'll have a big announcement on Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: All right, great, Brian, Brian Combat the new show.

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Speaker 2: Get ready, big announcement Monday morning, folks, to kick off

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Speaker 2: the show. Hey, we're back in the studio Monday, right,

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Speaker 2: We're back.

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Speaker 1: We are back in the studio Monday morning. That's right.

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Speaker 2: I believe Pablo Tore and The Dan Lebotard Show had

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Speaker 2: the studio this week, so we were unable to Did you.

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Speaker 4: See he had method Man in there too? Method Man

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Speaker 4: was sitting in LTC.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, did you guys see Pablo and Nick Wright

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Speaker 1: go after each other?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, let me ask a question about that. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: notice it? Are they Are they beefing for real?

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Speaker 2: I can't tell, but it's heating up almost as much

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Speaker 2: as Erica versus Candace right now.

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Speaker 1: Luke, less crazy than that?

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Speaker 2: Ye?

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Speaker 1: Less crazy than that? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild. Lt anything else you want to tell

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Speaker 2: the people about where they can where they can stick it, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Uh, don't pursue a comedy career with a guitar where

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Speaker 1: you ask people to ejaculate early.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and whatever dreams you have, don't chase them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do that. Yeah, yeah, I could say the

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Speaker 1: average I just said, be smart about your decisions. That's

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Speaker 1: different for.

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Speaker 2: Long Island, Luke and Luke Thomas. This has been Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This is Morning Combat. Thank you. Enjoy the fights this weekend,

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Speaker 2: whether it's pfl UFC, whatever you got going on, take

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Speaker 2: care of yourself as well. It's the cold as balls

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Speaker 2: outside but we can get through this. Okay, you know

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Speaker 2: I really can't stay, but you know, baby, it's all

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Speaker 2: right enough for that ship. The show's over.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 2: We're out here

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Speaker 10: A man