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Speaker 3: but never a dollar short. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout

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Speaker 3: And even though this is the NFL's offseason, there's all

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Speaker 3: sorts of news going on. So Jmac on our show

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Speaker 3: today that heard FS one brought up a really interesting point.

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Speaker 3: He's very good at this because he's got a lot

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Speaker 2: So here's Jim Harbaugh just continually saying JJ McCarthy's the

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Speaker 2: best player in the draft. I mean, this guy's unbelievable. Well,

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Speaker 2: as he brought up today, Minnesota is poised to move

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Speaker 2: up every rumor on every board. As Minnesota's moving up,

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Speaker 2: they've accumulated two first picks. Well, they don't want to

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Speaker 2: move up to first, second, or third, probably because then

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Speaker 2: you'd have to give up multiple ones, you know, for

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Speaker 2: a college player. But you could move up to five

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Speaker 2: with the Chargers and probably get JJ McCarthy, because we

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Speaker 2: don't believe unless the Giants move up spots to go

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Speaker 2: given up their pick. I don't think Washington's given up

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: New England's open for business at three, but I think

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Speaker 2: What they're doing basically is Harbaugh is saying how great

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Speaker 2: McCarthy is, because if you like JJ McCarthy, he'd be

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Speaker 2: a reach at one, two or three. But at five,

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Speaker 2: if he is a reach, it's not a huge reach.

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Speaker 2: If he's projected to be nine, ten, eleven, twelve. And

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Speaker 2: all Harbaugh is doing is saying, oh, this guy's great.

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Speaker 2: He wants you to spend more to get his fifth pick,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, yeah, that's exactly what he's doing right.

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Speaker 4: Well, Adam Peters told the local guys today they're not

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Speaker 4: open for business. They've listened, but they were never open.

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Speaker 2: That's Washington's GM.

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Speaker 4: That's Washington's GM. I do think the Patriots saying that

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Speaker 4: here's the problem for the Chargers. Ideally they would love

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Speaker 4: Monty Austin for the Arizona Cardinals GM said we have

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Speaker 4: flashing lights open for business, right flashing lights. Girod Mayo

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Speaker 4: business too. If teams trade up before the Chargers, it

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Speaker 4: takes two to tango. Teams often say, hey, we wanted

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Speaker 4: just came from the Ravens. They would much more be

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Speaker 4: inclined to take a lineman that's more of their style

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Speaker 1: They could get.

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Speaker 4: Stuck pretty quickly. Now they could just take a wide receiver.

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Speaker 4: Do you envision a Ravens GM and Jim Harbaugh taking

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Speaker 2: So I have envisioned if they got If the Chargers

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Speaker 1: What are the Vikings eleven?

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Speaker 2: State tackle at eleven, maybe a bit high, but he's

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Speaker 2: fourth round. That's what Jim wants to do. He wants

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Speaker 2: to get big. You know, George Young, the legendary Giants

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Speaker 2: That's how Harbaugh and Baltimore and the Harbaugh's draft they

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Speaker 2: just go big a lot.

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Speaker 2: I can make an argument Zay Flowers is the first

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Speaker 2: you're I mean Odell didn't make any impact. Mark Andrews

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Speaker 4: And they took him in the twenties, yes, right, the Ravens,

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Speaker 4: the Helodinadas, those types they take higher. Ronnie Stanley say,

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Speaker 4: I just I have a really hard time.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Marvin Harrison he's seen them up close and personal.

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Speaker 4: can't imagine that's what they want to do. But I

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Speaker 4: can already envision them getting stuck because if if a

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Speaker 4: obviously Arizona would have to trade back. But let's say

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, So today the New York Giants, the Marra

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Speaker 2: The mars said they will allow the GM and the

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Speaker 2: coach if they think it's necessary. Nice of them, Nice

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Speaker 2: I think they will. I can see the Giants. Actually,

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Speaker 2: you know, my guess, I don't know. If I knew

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Speaker 2: Jade and Daniels in that weather, I would run much

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Speaker 2: rather have. So don't we both agree it's gonna go

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Speaker 2: Caleb Drake May one and two? Do we agree with that?

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Speaker 4: Pellasorrow said today from the league meetings that he's heard

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Speaker 4: a lot of JJ McCarthy with Adam Peters. And when

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Speaker 4: you think of Adam Peters's history, right even recently, they

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Speaker 4: won a lot with Jimmy Garoppolo, and then they had

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Speaker 4: immediate success with Brock Purdy. Now, obviously these two guys

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Speaker 4: was around those guys in Denver and then New England,

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Speaker 4: so prototypical, and the one guy that he completely whiffed

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Speaker 4: if they're more inclined. I heard Drake may forever, but

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Speaker 4: then when I saw that, I don't think that's just

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Speaker 4: getting thrown around, because if JJ could go four, what

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Speaker 4: the hell's the difference of taking him too, If people

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Speaker 4: like him at four or five, it's not crazy to

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Speaker 4: think someone would like him at two. Write the same pick.

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Speaker 2: Essentially, if I get new information, I change my opinion.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not your classic journalist. Obviously I'm not a

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Speaker 2: two NFL gms today about something so and you have

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Speaker 3: Is that we're both.

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Speaker 2: Seeking information constantly and sometimes I just get new information.

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Speaker 2: And I was very cool on Ryan Pole's you know,

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Speaker 2: former offensive lineman the Bears GM A Vilas Jones pick.

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Speaker 2: I could not stand at number three. I just thought

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Speaker 2: I didn't love the Chase Claypool move, but I understood it.

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Speaker 2: had a great rookie year. Distracted player didn't work. But

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Speaker 2: I think their left tackle and right tackle can both play.

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Speaker 2: I thought the Dj Moore move Keenan Allen, DeAndre Swift,

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Speaker 2: a year ago. I did not trust Ryan Polls, the

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Speaker 2: outside of Bradshawn Ben and some talented receivers, it's a

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Speaker 2: what the Chiefs are doing. It's the opposite of the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: So I find over the last two weeks when he

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Speaker 2: good player. And then Gerald Everett with Cole Kamett, those

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Speaker 2: feel like I've got new information. I think the Bears

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Speaker 2: got the GM right. How is he viewed inside the league?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think he had what has potential

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Speaker 4: to be one of the great moves in the history

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Speaker 4: of the league in that trade that he made last

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Speaker 4: that Chase Claypool move was pretty embarrassing because his pick

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Speaker 1: professional and collegiate basketball at this point in this country,

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Speaker 1: seem to be moving towards we really love your postseason

432
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Speaker 1: and the rest of it, take it or leave it, yep.

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Speaker 1: So I think it is bad for the NBA in

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Speaker 1: that regard. I also think, and this is where we

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Speaker 1: might disagree long term, I think this is a massive

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Speaker 1: strategic error by the NFL. And here's why. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the secrets to the NFL's success it is

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Speaker 1: all of us, and I don't mean media. We are

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Speaker 1: in a different spot because it's literally our job. But

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Speaker 1: everyone that loves football has convinced all of their loved ones, spouses, children, whatever,

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Speaker 1: who don't love football that the games are unmissable like

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Speaker 1: it is. I don't know about you. I think most

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Speaker 1: of your listeners at this point they don't even get

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Speaker 1: shipped from their significant others. When my team is playing

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Speaker 1: a NFL game. They know I am out of commission.

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Speaker 1: I am watching. It is mandatory. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: a wedding, correct. We will. We won't schedule our own events,

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Speaker 1: We won't. You know what I mean. No one's gonna

449
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Speaker 1: ask me to take my kid to the birthday party.

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Speaker 1: That no the okay. So here's why I think it's

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Speaker 1: a mistake. It's the same reason I thought that putting

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Speaker 1: on Christmas Eve that Bill's Chargers game on an app

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Speaker 1: was a mistake. Because it's Christmas Eve and it's on

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Speaker 1: an app and people are just gonna miss it, and

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Speaker 1: the moment it starts being and Christmas Day, they put

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Speaker 1: a Raiders game at one pm Christmas. Those fans are

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Speaker 1: on the West coast, that's ten am. That's Christmas morning,

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Speaker 1: So there were a lot of Raider fans who just

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Speaker 1: missed the game. Here's why it matters. Now your significant

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Speaker 1: other or your kid or whomever says you can miss,

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Speaker 1: you missed the other. It was fine, you watched it later,

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Speaker 1: you caught up it. As soon as it becomes if

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Speaker 1: the if the inventory becomes so ubiquitous, and that you

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Speaker 1: put it on days where people are going to miss,

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Speaker 1: and Christmas people are gonna miss some Thursday right then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, oh, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to watch every game. You thought you did, but you don't.

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Speaker 1: And even if you still think you do, your wife

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Speaker 1: or your significant other, it's like, you do not have

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Speaker 1: to watch every game. I know it because we were

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Speaker 1: at Aunt Margaret's house on Christmas. Even you didn't watch

472
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Speaker 1: and you were fine. So I think long term, I

473
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Speaker 1: think it's a mistake. I'm the only person that thinks this.

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Speaker 1: I understand the ratings are going to be massive, but

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Speaker 1: I think there has been a I think all of us,

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Speaker 1: especially as they've added the seventeenth game, like I whisper,

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Speaker 1: I don't want my kids to hear it, so they

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Speaker 1: don't like to hear it, like I cover the sport.

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Speaker 1: I could probably miss a game or two and be okay.

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Speaker 1: But they don't think that. They're like, no, it's daddy's

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Speaker 1: watching football. Don't bother him Daddy's I'm like, yes, it's worked,

482
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Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, you put games on Christmas,

483
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Speaker 1: they're gonna be missed. Like now, I watched the Chiefs.

484
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Speaker 1: It was my team played at one BM on Christmas.

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Speaker 1: And that's the other thing that was also the worst, dude,

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Speaker 1: that was the Raiders game. Yeah, just a disaster. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we haven't didn't lose sense, by the way, super Bowl champions,

488
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Speaker 1: but uh, I didn't like it. I didn't love it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because here's the difference. NBA is watched passively, Yes, even

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Speaker 1: on Christmas, Like even the Christmas Day games, it's in

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Speaker 1: the background, right, it's on, and then oh it's close

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Speaker 1: with five minutes of them sit down and watch. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how to watch football passively. I can't come

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Speaker 1: in and out of the room and be like that's

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Speaker 1: just not how my brain works with football. So I

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Speaker 1: just don't. I don't And it's on a Wednesday. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I don't love the Christmas Day thing. I

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Speaker 1: like the rule changes the NFL did. I'm not just

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Speaker 1: trying to bang on the league. I think the Christmas

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Speaker 1: Day thing's a little greedy. I don't love it, and

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Speaker 1: I think it's short sighted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't disagree. I you know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: I tend to I don't know if this is selfish

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Speaker 2: or not. I tend to look at the sports calendar

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Speaker 2: and I see everything through the eyes of what does

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Speaker 2: it do for the production of my show and my staff.

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Speaker 2: So when they talked about eighteen games and that's going

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Speaker 2: to happen, they'll add a second bye week. Well, the

509
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Speaker 2: season will end, the staff will go dark for a week,

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Speaker 2: everybody gets vacation, we'll come back, we'll be right into

511
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Speaker 2: free agency in the final twenty games of the NBA season.

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Speaker 2: So for me, I'm like, oh, it's great, I get

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Speaker 2: rid of two dead weeks of sports talk. But you know,

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Speaker 2: one of the things, like, for instance, college basketball is

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Speaker 2: a prime example. I can absolutely be fascinated with something

516
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Speaker 2: for three weeks and nothing more. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: it's the sports brain. Like college basketball. This next weekend,

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Speaker 2: Gonzaga Perdue will not miss it. These big games this

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Speaker 2: weekend will not miss it. I don't think the quality

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Speaker 2: of college basketball is great, but I like the Marti

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Speaker 2: grass field that the annual party.

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Speaker 1: Listen every It's cliche and it's the only time anyone

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Speaker 1: ever uses this specific word is with college sports. But

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Speaker 1: it's the right word. The pageantry of it is something, yes,

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Speaker 1: like the students and the band and all of it.

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Speaker 1: It is it. It overcomes the fact that I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure this team shoots thirty six percent on

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Speaker 1: open shots. Like I'm like, I am pretty like this

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Speaker 1: is not good. No, but it is entertaining. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: I feel totally fine parachuting in Yes, like the I

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Speaker 1: don't pretend to act like I'm a college basketball expert.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. And I came into the tournament. I'm like, ah,

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Speaker 1: I used to live in Houston. I like the coach.

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Speaker 1: I'll root for them, and other than that, I'll root

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Speaker 1: for underdogs because it's fun. I'll root against Yukon because

536
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Speaker 1: it'll cause Wild's pain and then that'll just be it,

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Speaker 1: like you know, and then I'm into it. And the

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Speaker 1: women's game has stars that I that I'm into, But

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Speaker 1: I don't need to have a year long investment. That's right.

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Speaker 1: I just don't. Can I throw a pretty ridiculous but

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Speaker 1: I believe it's correct. NBA takeout absolutely, I love these Okay,

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Speaker 1: so right now, if you had to pick a team

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Speaker 1: to win the West, you would pick who.

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Speaker 2: I think the Lakers match up with Denver physically, now

545
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Speaker 2: that Karl Anthony Towns is hurt. They don't. Okayse's too young,

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Speaker 2: Phoenix to mid range too. They duplicate too many of

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Speaker 2: their skills. I think Denver will eventually get healthy win.

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Speaker 2: I think Boston's deeper but will lose West. Yeah, Denver

549
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Speaker 2: is the heavy favorite by everyone.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, even though they're the nine seed.

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Speaker 1: The Lakers appear to me to have the most upside.

553
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Speaker 1: Every everyone's healthy, everything clicks, all of it. But they

554
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Speaker 1: can't beat Denver. They got swept by him last year,

555
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Speaker 1: they got swept in the regular season, games are closed,

556
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Speaker 1: but they just can't beat them. Okay, So here is

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Speaker 1: the gallaic. Here is the take that's gonna sound ridiculous,

558
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Speaker 1: but I truly believe the Lakers should want Denver and

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Speaker 1: round one. And here's why. If you have to beat them,

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Speaker 1: no matter what, if the assumption is no one's gonna

561
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Speaker 1: beat them for you, Okay, you're gonna have to beat them.

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Speaker 1: You want them in round two when you just went

563
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Speaker 1: six or seven with Minnesota or OKAC and they swept

564
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Speaker 1: whoever they were playing. You want them in round three

565
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Speaker 1: when the games are every other day, or you want

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Speaker 1: them in round one when there's two or three days

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Speaker 1: between games. At times, yep, Lebron and ad can both

568
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Speaker 1: play forty four minutes. You are as fresh as you're

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Speaker 1: going to be at any point, and try to knock

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Speaker 1: them off when they you know what I mean, right

571
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Speaker 1: before they have really hit their stride. So again, I

572
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Speaker 1: think the Lakers in a series against Denver are like

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Speaker 1: fifteen percent. And it's not like if they got them

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Speaker 1: in round one they'd be fifty. But I think that

575
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Speaker 1: fifteen percent might go up to a round two. I

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Speaker 1: truly believe, Listen. I don't think they could beat them

577
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Speaker 1: in the guy every other day because you need Lebron

578
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Speaker 1: to play too much, Adida play too much, right, but

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Speaker 1: round one would be an intriguing spot where you could

580
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Speaker 1: just play Lebron and ad like the whole game. I'd

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Speaker 1: be like, you have two days off.

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Speaker 2: This has been my theory on the Lakers. If it

583
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Speaker 2: was March Madness style, like the Inn season title, they'd

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Speaker 2: win the title. And if I was Adam Silver and

585
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Speaker 2: I wanted to extend KD Lebron in Steph's efficiency and greatness,

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Speaker 2: I would make the first round three, the second two

587
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Speaker 2: rounds five games in the final seven. If Steph loses

588
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Speaker 2: in the finals, Lebron or KD, that's fine, I won.

589
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Speaker 2: But asking older players, even if you're a dominant favorite,

590
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Speaker 2: you lose games in a series because nobody sweeps anybody,

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Speaker 2: I mean outside of Lebron in the first round. Nobody

592
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Speaker 2: sweeps anybody. So what's happening is you're making revenue, but

593
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Speaker 2: you really lessen the chances of the Warriors. Instead, Steph

594
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Speaker 2: is carrying the Warriors. Now he has to go six

595
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Speaker 2: games in the first two playoffser if it was three

596
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Speaker 2: and they steal what Steph.

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Speaker 1: Takes two of us. Yeah. So I always.

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Speaker 2: Said, forget the greed, shorten the playoff series until the finals,

599
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Speaker 2: and it allows older players to remain viable in those

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Speaker 2: last two to three years of their contract or career,

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Speaker 2: like KD, Lebron and Steph. Right now, well so that's

602
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Speaker 2: and the age thing.

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Speaker 1: This is what everybody what nobody realizes is how old

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Speaker 1: these guys are in NBA years. Kobe Bryant won the

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Speaker 1: final playoff game. Kobe Bryant ever won he was thirty three.

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Speaker 1: The final playoff game Michael Jordan ever won he was

607
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Speaker 1: thirty five. Steph is thirty six. KD is either thirty six,

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Speaker 1: right or about to be. I'm gonna check. Lebron obviously

609
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Speaker 1: is thirty seven. We are already on KD is thirty

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Speaker 1: five turns thirty six in a few months. We're on

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Speaker 1: borrowed time with these guys historic we've been. I don't

612
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Speaker 1: borrow time with Lebron, but we are on borrowed time

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Speaker 1: with these guys, and folks don't realize it, Like because

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Speaker 1: Lebron has won a title at and finals MVP at

615
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Speaker 1: thirty five and then was in the conference finals at

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Speaker 1: thirty eight, that's not the history. That's not There is

617
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Speaker 1: no precedent for that. Those guys are not supposed to

618
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Speaker 1: still be carrying their rosters. And by the Durant thing man,

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Speaker 1: this is an unbelievable stat. Durant's first eleven years in

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Speaker 1: the league goulling, he played forty nine conference finals or

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals games. One ninety nine minutes in the conference

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Speaker 1: finals of the NBA Finals. So in Durant's first eleven seasons,

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Speaker 1: six years he was in the second to last series

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Speaker 1: of the year, and three years he was in the

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Speaker 1: last one. In the six years he has played since then,

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Speaker 1: he has played eleven minutes in the conference finals in

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Speaker 1: NBA Finals, Kevin Durant, in his thirties has played eleven

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Speaker 1: minutes past round two. Hey, which is a damn shame,

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Speaker 1: but it is wild that it has happened.

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Speaker 2: I said it when it happened. I know I'm giving

631
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Speaker 2: myself credit. But when he left Golden State for Brooklyn,

632
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Speaker 2: I said, this is the equivalent of Mahomes saying I

633
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Speaker 2: have a friend playing for the Jets, I want to

634
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Speaker 2: go to the Jets. We would go the fuck you

635
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Speaker 2: talking about you're out of your mind? Andy Reid, Steve Kerr,

636
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Speaker 2: Steph Clay Draymond. That is the difference between Lebron and KD.

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00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 2: Lebron may have had a difference with teammates. Lebron will

638
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: be like, this is a cash cow, I'm not going

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Speaker 2: any Lebron has left all d Wade crazy, Kyrie. He's

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00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: left untalented Cleveland. If Kyrie would have stayed, and Kevin

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Speaker 2: Love he would have stayed in Cleveland. Lebron has left

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Speaker 2: because of a His exit strategies were usually I can't win.

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Speaker 1: Barn has left because he thought that this is over.

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Speaker 1: I need to be able to win else steps and

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Speaker 1: he did me And Listen, KD, this is where you

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Speaker 1: and I do someone disagree. I totally get why Katie

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Speaker 1: left because we all said those rings don't count. Loser

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Speaker 1: don't care. Everybody yelled at him, said you're ruining the sport.

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Speaker 1: The rings don't count. It wasn't the leaving, just the leaving.

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Speaker 1: It was the leaving plus being like, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: go from the lowest maintenance, most reliable wingman superstar in

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry to the highest maintenance, least reliable one in

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Speaker 1: Steph Kurry in Kyrie Irving, Like going from that to

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Speaker 1: that is what the And then the Phoenix thing, like

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Speaker 1: Phoenix built poorly. They just they you know, the roster

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Speaker 1: never made sense, but it is. Listen, Katie's no longer

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Speaker 1: a true MVP candidate. He's closer to the tenth best

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Speaker 1: player in the league than the best player in fair

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, which is but for him

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Speaker 1: too in the last six years, not make it out

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Speaker 1: around two is one of the wildest things ever for

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Speaker 1: a player of his caliber to not get those his

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Speaker 1: whole twenties NBA postseason great Series moments. He was a

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Speaker 1: part of it. He was a part of the tapestry.

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Speaker 1: And now he hasn't played, you know, a really big

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Speaker 1: He's played, in my opinion, in the last six years.

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Speaker 1: One huge game, Game seven against Giannis round and that

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Speaker 1: was round two, and that was the game where he

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Speaker 1: stepped on the line where he hit what he thought

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Speaker 1: was the game winner and stepped on the line and

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Speaker 1: then I'll losing overtime. And that's it. Other than that,

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Speaker 1: it's getting worked in round one or going out and

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Speaker 1: round it's it sucks. It's not what I and I'm

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Speaker 1: not like killing him for it. I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: because he's like not a great player, but it is

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Speaker 1: a I don't have that, you know, I don't have

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Speaker 1: it in front of me. But it feels a little

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Speaker 1: like the last you know, half decade of Marino, or

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Speaker 1: maybe eight years of Marino, where it's like it's not

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Speaker 1: like there were a bunch of deep you know, I know,

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Speaker 1: you didn't win a ring, but you had deep playoff runs.

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Speaker 1: It's like, no, there's you know what I mean A

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Speaker 1: lot of years where it's just like you lost in

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Speaker 1: the loud card round, you lost in round two, you've

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Speaker 1: missed the playoffs, you lost in the wild card round.

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