Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days
Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard
Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer
Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.
Speaker 1: This is Cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast everyone.
Speaker 1: It is currently the last day of September, which means
Speaker 1: one awesome thing, one more week of elk rutting knowledge
Speaker 1: on Cutting the Distance podcast. I doubt this Elk Month
Speaker 1: and I've been trying to divulge all my elk hunting, bugling,
Speaker 1: archery skills knowledge to you. So we've talked about a
Speaker 1: lot of scenarios that come up in the elk woods,
Speaker 1: But what about that scenario when it's bugle city, when
Speaker 1: things are going great, maybe it's peak rut. The elk
Speaker 1: are super active. You go, well, that's that's awesome, that's
Speaker 1: what we want, and that is very, very very true.
Speaker 1: But there are a few problems that you run into
Speaker 1: when the elk are going crazy. When those bulls come
Speaker 1: into heat, there's a lot of cows around, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of commotion, and it can be very difficult to
Speaker 1: call a bowl to your location. So what we're gonna
Speaker 1: do is we're gonna talk about this week how to
Speaker 1: make those right moves when things are going off. How
Speaker 1: do you stalk in the herd past other elk, when
Speaker 1: do you know that you're calling is not going to
Speaker 1: call in a bowl? And what moves can you make
Speaker 1: when there is a hot cow round and you're trying
Speaker 1: to call a bull out of that herd. But before
Speaker 1: we do that, I want to share the story of
Speaker 1: a recent hunt that I just took with my trad
Speaker 1: bow and had Bugle City all around me. So this
Speaker 1: past weekend, I was out chasing elk and I had
Speaker 1: just the weekend to hunt because I had a lot
Speaker 1: of work things that I had to get done. And
Speaker 1: so I went out and I'm like thinking of myself, Man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be busy this, you know, just all the
Speaker 1: things that you think I got one day. And then
Speaker 1: I decided to bring my trade bow. I don't know here,
Speaker 1: here's I like to I like to mix it up.
Speaker 1: I kind of see myself as just somebody that loves
Speaker 1: to hunt. I love to hunt with everything, whether it's
Speaker 1: a recurve, longbow, compound bow, shotgun, rifle. Like I just
Speaker 1: if there's an open season, I like to do it.
Speaker 1: And I just had taken a really big bowl with
Speaker 1: my compound bow, so I'm like, man, I definitely know
Speaker 1: where I'm at now. I'm not gonna not gonna best
Speaker 1: that bowl probably ever. But I thought, well, if I
Speaker 1: bring my trad bow, then I can increase my success
Speaker 1: by learning my standards and still feel really good about myself.
Speaker 1: And uh, and I didn't think. I was like, I
Speaker 1: probably I'm not gonna even run into much. So I
Speaker 1: get up to my spot and bugle in the kind
Speaker 1: of the early morning light. Don't hear anything. Go over
Speaker 1: the other side and bugle, and sure enough I hear
Speaker 1: a view away like way back there. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: So I start glassing and I pick out a herd
Speaker 1: up at the top of this mountain, kind of in
Speaker 1: this little burn. I'm like, sweet, So I gather up
Speaker 1: my stuff and I'm just like, I'm gonna. I know
Speaker 1: that they're gonna they're gonna move out of there pretty quick,
Speaker 1: so I wanted to get there as fast as possible,
Speaker 1: so I'm I'm hustling there. I don't know, They're probably
Speaker 1: two miles or more away, maybe a couple of thousand
Speaker 1: feet elevation, game like they were up there. Ways where
Speaker 1: I was at, there was no snow. Where they were
Speaker 1: at was pretty much borderline snowpack, just from the night before.
Speaker 1: So I start hustling up there, and as I'm making
Speaker 1: my way up there, the hill kind of blocks any
Speaker 1: sound that I would be hearing, any bugles, and I'm going,
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, this is I'm hoping they're still
Speaker 1: up there. And I heard one beagle and like, sweet, okay,
Speaker 1: they're They're still in here. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: off on my right side, as I'm going up the canyon,
Speaker 1: the wolves start howling, and I'm thinking, this sucks, man,
Speaker 1: like these what's the deal? The elker death frombly gonna
Speaker 1: shut up? It's not going to be good right now.
Speaker 1: And so the wolves are howling maybe four hundred yards
Speaker 1: on the ridge on my other side. The elk are
Speaker 1: probably three yards above me, maybe four and I'm just
Speaker 1: like smack in the middle. All right. So I get
Speaker 1: up to the point where I can kind of see
Speaker 1: and I pop over bugle and I get a response back,
Speaker 1: and it kind of actually surprised me because I thought, well,
Speaker 1: they're gonna quiet down with these wolves going off, And
Speaker 1: so the bull bugles back and he's up a little
Speaker 1: bit in the timber morning. There's a bunch of cows
Speaker 1: still in the burn. So I watched him, and I
Speaker 1: think this just I know for a fact, I call
Speaker 1: it a little bit trying to draw something down, But
Speaker 1: it just wasn't that scenario. I need the scenario where
Speaker 1: I'm in tighter, because this bull has got a lot
Speaker 1: of cows and they're probably I'm hoping there's other bulls around,
Speaker 1: but at this point only one was bugling. So I go,
Speaker 1: I start, I work around the mountain. I get up
Speaker 1: and I'm just at this point nearly jogging, trying to
Speaker 1: catch up, trying to cut them off at the top
Speaker 1: where I know once they get into that himber, then
Speaker 1: I can get closer. I have a little bit more
Speaker 1: of an advantage than being in that wide open and
Speaker 1: so I get in and make a sound a bugle,
Speaker 1: and bull bugles once I get up in that timber,
Speaker 1: like in there like all right, sweet, And this is
Speaker 1: one of this is a scenario that happens, like when
Speaker 1: bulls are are in a herd and there's maybe a
Speaker 1: hot cow or whatever. It's like running just bulls. Now
Speaker 1: there's multiple bulls bugling, and they're just like moving with
Speaker 1: the herd. The herd is moving and I'm moving with them.
Speaker 1: So I keep going and getting set up and trying
Speaker 1: to self film it. Which so it's like, here's here,
Speaker 1: let's do some difficult stuff. I'm gonna go l hunting. Cool,
Speaker 1: that's behind this one challenge. And then I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: a traditional though. Cool, that's another one. And now I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna self film it. And like I'm a glutton
Speaker 1: for punishment. What can I say? But I enjoy it. It
Speaker 1: It was like I'm out here, I'm having a good dime.
Speaker 1: This is what I like to do. So we So
Speaker 1: I go around the mountain and I'm getting into the elk.
Speaker 1: It's one of those things where it's like I'm a
Speaker 1: hundred yards I'm screaming, bulls are screaming, three or four
Speaker 1: bulls are firing off. There's cows moving around, and the
Speaker 1: bulls are pushing and doing their thing, and but nothing's
Speaker 1: coming into me. And generally when you get into a
Speaker 1: herd like this, oftentimes I've had good success, like making
Speaker 1: a lot of commotion and then just a satellite type
Speaker 1: bull kind of funneling through and checking things out, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wasn't part of the party, that's what's going on
Speaker 1: over here, and getting a shot. I've killed many elk
Speaker 1: that way, but on this particular day, it's like all
Speaker 1: the every bull I've seen is a pretty mature bull,
Speaker 1: like a nice six by six. I saw some six
Speaker 1: by seven's, just like some of the best bulls I've
Speaker 1: ever seen in the area. I'm thinking, what the heck
Speaker 1: is going on here? And so at one point I'm
Speaker 1: a hundred and fift yards away and there's four bulls together,
Speaker 1: all picked a little tree and they're all raking their
Speaker 1: antlers for like five minutes. Okay, So finally a couple
Speaker 1: of all the cows in between me and them moved off,
Speaker 1: and there's one still raking. I'm like, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: rush in there and get him, and uh so I do.
Speaker 1: I do that, and I go and I start closing in.
Speaker 1: I'm probably forty five yards he's raking on the other
Speaker 1: side of the tree. I've left my camera behind on
Speaker 1: this point. I actually had a go pro and I
Speaker 1: just have a like a hate relationship with go pros
Speaker 1: because every time I want them to work, they don't.
Speaker 1: So I was like recording with that and realized it
Speaker 1: wasn't even recording, which it would have been cool. I
Speaker 1: get in on that bull and and then he starts
Speaker 1: to walk off, so I call, and another bull starts
Speaker 1: to circle within range thirty five yards thirty yards closing,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, perfect, I'm gonna this is, this
Speaker 1: is done. And yet every time the bull stops, he
Speaker 1: stops with his vitals behind a tree, walks, stops vitals
Speaker 1: behind a tree, and like circles to try to get
Speaker 1: my wind. But by this point, the other bulls are
Speaker 1: now pushing the cows off, moving and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, man, this is like how many encounters do
Speaker 1: you get? Like just if I had a compound bull,
Speaker 1: I would have shot the bull that was raking it
Speaker 1: fifty yards when I had an opportunity, and probably would
Speaker 1: have shot this other bull while he was moving because
Speaker 1: I have been able to. But so I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: so I just keep following him and there now they're
Speaker 1: in this like big open basin. I getting in the trees.
Speaker 1: I've got cows in front of me, maybe twenty yards.
Speaker 1: I'm bugling. Bulls are bugling all over. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: probably fifteen minutes away from killing a bull. And then
Speaker 1: I'm like, all of a sudden, they start fundling past
Speaker 1: maybe fifty yards. I'm like, not running, but running in
Speaker 1: a way. It's like, Okay, they're just chasing a hot
Speaker 1: cow or nope, they're spooked, but they're coming towards me,
Speaker 1: Like what the hell is going on here? And just
Speaker 1: the whole herd hundreds and something, elk, lots of bulls.
Speaker 1: Just I'm like, I was so close to just killing
Speaker 1: a bull. I mean, they were working. At some point,
Speaker 1: a bull would have walked within you know, record range,
Speaker 1: and I hear voices, and I'm like, what the heck,
Speaker 1: Like this just sounds like it's like I'm thinking, now
Speaker 1: I've definitely heard that, because no hunter would just like
Speaker 1: be up wind of elk and then just like yelling
Speaker 1: and laughing and having a jolly good time. I mean,
Speaker 1: I was having a good time, but not like that.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, so then all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: see like some people and I started glassing um up
Speaker 1: and I realized they were just like backpacking, just like
Speaker 1: in a random It wasn't this is not like a
Speaker 1: backpacking spot, like what are these people doing camping out here?
Speaker 1: Just and I think they heard the commotion of the
Speaker 1: elk and I can hear him be like, well what's
Speaker 1: that and just had no probably never seen an elk before,
Speaker 1: and here all this like crazy noise and can't figure
Speaker 1: out what's going on. And of course the wind is
Speaker 1: blowing straight down from them to the elk, and the
Speaker 1: fact that they were just like yelling like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: that's weird, what's going on? And the elk decided to
Speaker 1: run off. So now I'm like, okay, that sucks. Um,
Speaker 1: that's what happens on a weekends sometimes, you know, you
Speaker 1: just run into people. Everybody's I mean, it's cool to
Speaker 1: see people enjoying the outdoors, so hey whatever. So they'll
Speaker 1: run down the mountain and now I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: well that's over. But I'm gonna you know, they were
Speaker 1: still bugling and doing their things, so I decided just
Speaker 1: kind of go in the direction that they were going,
Speaker 1: not knowing if I could get them to pick back
Speaker 1: up again. I get about halfway down, I find cut
Speaker 1: tracks or I can see some serious health move through
Speaker 1: here and just start following it. And then it's about
Speaker 1: mid morning at this point, and then I get like
Speaker 1: this whiff of elk smell. All right, we're in the
Speaker 1: zone bugle. Nothing moved down. Get the smell again. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's stronger now, bugle and one bugle is like right below,
Speaker 1: maybe forty five yards, So creep in. I've got two
Speaker 1: six points down there. They're bugling, other bulls bugling down
Speaker 1: the thing. I mean, it's just a bugle city. And
Speaker 1: so I just like I get into position. Bull walks
Speaker 1: about I don't even know thirty something yards probably maybe closer,
Speaker 1: and just too much thick stuff. No shot. It's like
Speaker 1: dang it. And then they move off and now it's
Speaker 1: the same thing chase again. So now I started moving in.
Speaker 1: I'm creeping in, bugling, and I've got bulls down there.
Speaker 1: I've got probably a hundred cows to deal with, and
Speaker 1: I start just like pinpointing a bugle moving toward it
Speaker 1: as they're kind of doing their things, shuffling around, moving around.
Speaker 1: So um it's so at one point I end up
Speaker 1: having to crawl past about ten cows within thirty forty yards.
Speaker 1: The winds good, though, so I just keep crawling past,
Speaker 1: get around him, then moving again, got a bull raking
Speaker 1: a tree for about five minutes, cows in between me
Speaker 1: and him. Crawl pass those cows, get two about forty
Speaker 1: five to sixty yards about sixty and then he moves
Speaker 1: off and just no shots for me. I was like,
Speaker 1: man if I in my compound boat today, been done deal.
Speaker 1: But and that was the herd bull. Actually that was
Speaker 1: the biggest bull that I had seen. So then they
Speaker 1: all move off reposition again. Now I would say, it's
Speaker 1: like for a time stamp. It's like two pm. These
Speaker 1: these elk have been bugling all day long. This is
Speaker 1: as good as it gets. And and so by the
Speaker 1: end of the day I had had ten opportunities, like
Speaker 1: I would say, had ten bulls within normal bow range. Um,
Speaker 1: I just didn't have a shot. But in all six
Speaker 1: points are better. So it's just like an incredible day.
Speaker 1: So later on that day they started funneling out into
Speaker 1: this like the small pines back into the burn. And
Speaker 1: at this point I'm like, all right, I just got
Speaker 1: like I just gotta go. There's so many cows and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, how do I get past them? But I've
Speaker 1: had similar scenarios where It's like, you know, if I
Speaker 1: was timid, and just like, Okay, I can't get to
Speaker 1: that bowl because these cows, I don't want to blow
Speaker 1: them out, but like they're pretty, they're pretty fired up,
Speaker 1: and they were all kind of getting shuffled around anyway.
Speaker 1: So I knew if one cow saw me, it's not
Speaker 1: a big deal, like she would run and I would
Speaker 1: just bugle. So I go into the little pines with
Speaker 1: the elk, and I'm just like there's elk over here,
Speaker 1: cows calling and I'm just screaming, bugling, and every time,
Speaker 1: like there would be a cow yards away she'd see me.
Speaker 1: I just screamed with the bugle and I'm moving through
Speaker 1: the trees like I'm an elk, and I'm moving past
Speaker 1: cows to get to where these bulls are running around
Speaker 1: get out. And here comes the herd bull a bugle,
Speaker 1: and I move in. I see his antler tips in
Speaker 1: the trees, and I'm just like getting in the herd
Speaker 1: like the elk. I felt like I was just another
Speaker 1: elk in the herd, screaming, moving past the elk, shuffling
Speaker 1: elk around. It's all good. Had that big bull walkout
Speaker 1: fifty yards stand their broadside, and I'm like, that's just
Speaker 1: too far for the bow that I've got um and
Speaker 1: I figured I'd just get another shot, and so he
Speaker 1: moves off, pushes the cows, and then they all end
Speaker 1: up pushing out into this big open and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: kind of game over from that point. But it was
Speaker 1: one of the most incredible days chasing elk with a
Speaker 1: bone in hand for me and one thing that I
Speaker 1: thought was pretty cool. And I was really glad that
Speaker 1: I ended up bringing that bow that day because if
Speaker 1: I had my compound bow, I probably would have shot
Speaker 1: a bull first thing in the morning. It would have
Speaker 1: been stoked, but I wouldn't have had that experience of
Speaker 1: interacting with this elk in that way where it's like
Speaker 1: I'm just another bull in the herd, just running things
Speaker 1: around and just getting in there and moving past elk
Speaker 1: and really just like getting in that entire experience of
Speaker 1: bringing in so many different bulls and just having those
Speaker 1: those really close opportunities. But if I might have the bow,
Speaker 1: I would have killed the bull for sure, but I
Speaker 1: also would not have had that experience that I had,
Speaker 1: and I think they will probably go down is one
Speaker 1: of the coolest days elk hunting that I can remember,
Speaker 1: especially without letting an arrow go. While it might seem
Speaker 1: like bulls are going crazy, that's the best thing. That's
Speaker 1: the best case scenario for rail hunting. And it definitely
Speaker 1: is like it's it's very exciting, but it can also
Speaker 1: be difficult to kind of know how to act if
Speaker 1: you haven't encountered a lot of those scenarios. And there's
Speaker 1: the reason because a couple of the things that happened
Speaker 1: when it's bugle city, when there's bulls moving cows around,
Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of eyes, there's a lot of commotion,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on, and those elk
Speaker 1: are actually probably harder to call in when that's going
Speaker 1: on because they're they're distracted by whatever hot cow they're chasing.
Speaker 1: So there's probably a couple of cows and that heard
Speaker 1: that are really garnering the attention of the bulls, and
Speaker 1: you think, oh, well, I can just use my calls
Speaker 1: and draw the bull, and sometimes that does work, and
Speaker 1: there's other times where I mean, middle of the day,
Speaker 1: I thought to myself, look, these bulls are very callable,
Speaker 1: they're very they were very responsive, but they aren't really
Speaker 1: like coming in to check things out. They've got their
Speaker 1: own game going on over here, and I either need
Speaker 1: to get in really really tight and play that game.
Speaker 1: If I want to draw a bull in or I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna be back here a hundred and fifty yards bugling.
Speaker 1: I need to get within that seventy to eighty yards
Speaker 1: or closer if I really want to draw these bulls in.
Speaker 1: And because I was, you know, using a traditional bull
Speaker 1: and I want to I want to get them within
Speaker 1: that thirty yards generally, Um, you know, I had to
Speaker 1: keep committing to to getting closer, to getting closer, and
Speaker 1: by doing that was seeing their reactions and in that
Speaker 1: way getting a lot of good responses. So one thing
Speaker 1: that you need to kind of understand is what you
Speaker 1: can get away with in a herd of elk. And
Speaker 1: this goes for rifle hunters, bow hunters, whatever. I think
Speaker 1: that so many times people get kind of timid when
Speaker 1: it comes to moving around elk. And one of the
Speaker 1: things that's made me very very successful is spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time with elk and knowing how to move
Speaker 1: around them. You can move past elk in a herd
Speaker 1: if and you think like, well, you're gonna get winded this,
Speaker 1: that and the other thing. You you might there are
Speaker 1: those times like when that winds blowing and they aren't
Speaker 1: all super active. Yeah, they're on edge, they're they're looking out,
Speaker 1: But when there's things going on and the wind is good,
Speaker 1: you can you can get away with a lot of
Speaker 1: movement and a lot of sound. Because there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on in that heard they're seeing things moving. I
Speaker 1: definitely for sure head elk looking at me. But by
Speaker 1: using my calls and then just using trees and cover,
Speaker 1: I was able to just kind of keep that movement
Speaker 1: in motion, going, getting out of their sight, making a call,
Speaker 1: and then letting them think, no, that's not that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. It's not something that's threatening us. It's
Speaker 1: just probably another elk. Because in those herds there's so
Speaker 1: many moving parts. You need to realize that when you
Speaker 1: get into a herd of elk, you can become another
Speaker 1: one of those moving parts if you do it right.
Speaker 1: So the first thing is you got to look out
Speaker 1: for their eyes. You got to pay a lot of attention,
Speaker 1: but you can use the available cover to block their eyes.
Speaker 1: Even one tree blocking the eyes of that cow, that's
Speaker 1: century that's looking your way. Can be enough to get
Speaker 1: you in a position to get out of sight to
Speaker 1: remove Now, the second thing that I do is I
Speaker 1: is I use calls to kind of distract their make
Speaker 1: them think that what they're seeing is the movement of
Speaker 1: an elk. So if I get in a cow picks
Speaker 1: me off, I'll only either let off cow sound or
Speaker 1: a bugle, and it's something that's like okay, kind of
Speaker 1: puts them at ease, especially if they're on edge and
Speaker 1: thinking about running. I'll put them at ease with the call,
Speaker 1: and then I'll get out of sight and then out
Speaker 1: of sight, out of mind. I like to think of elk.
Speaker 1: If you've seen Jurassic Park, elk are the t rex
Speaker 1: of the hunting like animal kingdom. If you don't move,
Speaker 1: they don't see you. And that's one thing that really
Speaker 1: works well, is like even if you're calling, I've had
Speaker 1: bulls come in in the open, but if you don't move,
Speaker 1: they don't see you when they've got their brains all
Speaker 1: all fired up. So if you if you're out of sight,
Speaker 1: out of mind, you can kind of get into a
Speaker 1: position where you can then move around that cow and
Speaker 1: not worry about spooking her out or if she does
Speaker 1: start to bust let out of you gole let out
Speaker 1: a sound. Where the other elk in the herd that
Speaker 1: don't know why that one cow is running, I think, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe a bull is chasing, or maybe something's up. As
Speaker 1: long as it's not a really important elk to the
Speaker 1: herd that's like, oh, it's the lead cow, or maybe
Speaker 1: that bull that's kind of pushing them all around. As
Speaker 1: long as you don't bust those ones out, you can
Speaker 1: generally get away with a lot. So I kind of
Speaker 1: have this philosophy when I'm getting into a herd of
Speaker 1: bell because you just can't make an omelet without breaking
Speaker 1: a few eggs. You're gonna have to get in tight.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to make your moves, and if you
Speaker 1: sit back to timid, then you're probably gonna lose your opportunity. Now,
Speaker 1: there are those times where it's like, Okay, we've got
Speaker 1: to be patient here. We aren't going to be able
Speaker 1: to get through the herd. Uh. The scenario is not right.
Speaker 1: The wind is not good, the thermals aren't good. They're
Speaker 1: bedded and alert and kind of on edge. But if
Speaker 1: they're runted up and running around and things are going crazy,
Speaker 1: You can get away with a lot, And the next
Speaker 1: thing is understanding or knowing whether you're going to call
Speaker 1: the bull in that you're calling to or not. And
Speaker 1: here's how you can kind of tell is when that
Speaker 1: bull is interacting, is he just like kind of right
Speaker 1: on one cow and right on one certain cow, or
Speaker 1: is he kind of coming off and making those challenges
Speaker 1: saying like oh, seeing what what else is going on?
Speaker 1: And whether the other elk in the herd are in
Speaker 1: this frenzy where the elk herds moving and they're running
Speaker 1: around and checking things out, or are they all kind
Speaker 1: of in this nucleus of the elk herd and this
Speaker 1: is where they are and nothing seems to be budging
Speaker 1: from that. So there's times where I'll get into a
Speaker 1: herd and they're bugling and it's crazy, and I'll just
Speaker 1: sit sit back, I'll do my view all get crazy
Speaker 1: as well, and hopes that the elk on the fringes
Speaker 1: will kind of come in and check things out, and
Speaker 1: that works really well. That's that's how I kill a
Speaker 1: lot of elk in these calling scenarios. But when you
Speaker 1: want to kill that one big bull or that herd bull,
Speaker 1: or maybe all those elk or just kind of together
Speaker 1: and you can't really draw them away. Then you can
Speaker 1: kind of understand, Okay, there's probably a hot cow in there,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be really hard for me to make
Speaker 1: these elk think that I'm whatever. I'll throw out cowestra sounds,
Speaker 1: but most of time that doesn't work because it's like
Speaker 1: they've got there right on the honey. They don't need
Speaker 1: to go look for something else. I'll throw out those
Speaker 1: challenge bugles and those bugles, but there it's like, I'm
Speaker 1: they're so focused, they're so moving, they're just constantly doing
Speaker 1: their thing, that it's going to be very difficult to
Speaker 1: call them away. In those scenarios, I found that the
Speaker 1: only way to call them way is to get so
Speaker 1: close that they have to respond, and that might be
Speaker 1: within that hundred yard there. So if you're if you're
Speaker 1: sitting back at two yards, you aren't gonna call a
Speaker 1: ball off that. That's just how it's. That's just how
Speaker 1: it is. But if you move in and you get
Speaker 1: a hundred or sub one hundred sixty yards fifty yards,
Speaker 1: you think, well, fifty yards I could shoot, But in
Speaker 1: timber and in thick stuff, you almost need them in
Speaker 1: your lap. So I try to get in as tight
Speaker 1: as possible and then I make those calls, and that's
Speaker 1: how I I draw in most of the bulls that
Speaker 1: end up coming into a setup. There are those herribles,
Speaker 1: those mature bulls or bulls that are very distracted and
Speaker 1: preoccupied by a cow that I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: able to call them off of. So by getting in
Speaker 1: tight and then using my calls, so I use a
Speaker 1: combination of stalking and calling. When the elk are kind
Speaker 1: of whipped up in this frenzy, I like to generally
Speaker 1: fire off of those bugles, and then a couple of
Speaker 1: tactics that I like to use cutting the bulls off.
Speaker 1: They don't like that, I'll cut them off and while
Speaker 1: they're bugling, and then I'll try to add some more
Speaker 1: aggressive sounds. I'll add those chuckles in there. Another sound
Speaker 1: that I really make a lot is that glunking where
Speaker 1: it's almost just like if you each your hand and
Speaker 1: hit the back of your tube. Is a kind of
Speaker 1: sound you'll notice when you're in a herd and there's
Speaker 1: some hot cows in there. The bulls will be cruising
Speaker 1: around making that noise and it's almost like there. It's
Speaker 1: a way that they're talking to those cows, and it
Speaker 1: can also be a way that really pisces off bulls
Speaker 1: that think they're in charge. Another sound that I make
Speaker 1: that's not even a bugle is through the bugle to
Speaker 1: huffing and breathing really heavy. Almost think of it like
Speaker 1: a snort wheeze with a white tailer, Like I just
Speaker 1: get through the tube and they don't like that. And
Speaker 1: it's like when you're in close enough that helps bring
Speaker 1: that bull in. That extra distance is really good too
Speaker 1: if you've got two callers, because you can get one
Speaker 1: guy set up a little bit further. You both get
Speaker 1: in pretty tight, and then you make those noises and
Speaker 1: oftentimes you can get those bulls to kind of come
Speaker 1: in and check it out. Um. And that's another way
Speaker 1: that I've had a lot of success calling in some
Speaker 1: of the bigger bulls and heard the herd bulls. People
Speaker 1: talk about calling in the herd bull and that's a
Speaker 1: very difficult thing to do. But if you get in tight,
Speaker 1: if you make the right sounds, and you move past
Speaker 1: a lot of the elk that you aren't interested in
Speaker 1: without blowing him out, but by being aggressive enough to
Speaker 1: be able to get into the herd you can, you
Speaker 1: have a lot better chance of actually calling that herd
Speaker 1: bull to where you can get a shot. I don't
Speaker 1: know about you, but I really can't believe September has
Speaker 1: already coming gone. I mean, I feel like I spend
Speaker 1: more time thinking about this time here than anything, and
Speaker 1: uh and then it just flies by. But I hope
Speaker 1: that some of those tips and tactics helped you. I know,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate all the messages I got, I'd say
Speaker 1: this year more than any I've had people reach out
Speaker 1: with photos and videos even and just saying like this
Speaker 1: tactic killed this bull for me, And that, to me
Speaker 1: is why I love doing this podcast. Um that's actually
Speaker 1: the only reason I like doing this podcast, because it's
Speaker 1: it's about, you know, helping people be more successful in
Speaker 1: the time that they get to go out there and
Speaker 1: enjoy the hunt. And so I want to help you
Speaker 1: guys be more successful in one of the ways that
Speaker 1: I like to do that and build these podcasts out
Speaker 1: to know, what's going to make you more successful is
Speaker 1: by the question answers and the interaction that I get
Speaker 1: from you guys. So we'll be doing a Q and
Speaker 1: A coming up. It can be about l hunting, it
Speaker 1: can be about anything. And then also throughout your ideas
Speaker 1: of things that you guys are interested in hearing in
Speaker 1: the future because I like to there's there's things I've
Speaker 1: got ideas on. Um, we're coming into the beginning of October.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of a lot of general deer
Speaker 1: seasons that time of year, and that honestly, October deer
Speaker 1: hunting meal deer hunting is probably the hardest thing you
Speaker 1: can do. Um, It's one of the hardest hunts out
Speaker 1: out west in my opinion. It's a hard time of
Speaker 1: year to hunt them. But there are a few tips
Speaker 1: and tactics that I've used to be successful that time
Speaker 1: of year. Um. But there's I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of different things going on, So feel free to reach
Speaker 1: out the best ways on Instagram at Remy Warren and
Speaker 1: you can go if you actually did like a little
Speaker 1: story of this this day that I just talked about,
Speaker 1: so I'll actually try to go put that on my
Speaker 1: profile and save it. So if you want to see
Speaker 1: a little bit of footage of the day, kind of
Speaker 1: build it out in a visual way. Here you hear
Speaker 1: the story. It's so hard to like, you know, actually
Speaker 1: tell the whole story in like videos you're going and
Speaker 1: it's also hard to like show the whole story as
Speaker 1: you're talking about it on a podcast, so combination that
Speaker 1: you can kind of help paint a good picture. But
Speaker 1: I thought it might be fun to to throw that
Speaker 1: out there. As always, you know, sending your questions. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Also the great comments on the podcast
Speaker 1: wherever you listen, comments, feedback rating, good ratings, those are great,
Speaker 1: always great, So I appreciate you all. Until next week,
Speaker 1: live it up in Bogle City. Cat you guys later,