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Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days

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Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard

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Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics they'll get you closer

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Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren.

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Speaker 1: This is Cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast everyone.

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Speaker 1: It is currently the last day of September, which means

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Speaker 1: one awesome thing, one more week of elk rutting knowledge

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Speaker 1: on Cutting the Distance podcast. I doubt this Elk Month

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Speaker 1: and I've been trying to divulge all my elk hunting, bugling,

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Speaker 1: archery skills knowledge to you. So we've talked about a

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Speaker 1: lot of scenarios that come up in the elk woods,

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Speaker 1: But what about that scenario when it's bugle city, when

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Speaker 1: things are going great, maybe it's peak rut. The elk

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Speaker 1: are super active. You go, well, that's that's awesome, that's

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Speaker 1: what we want, and that is very, very very true.

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Speaker 1: But there are a few problems that you run into

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Speaker 1: when the elk are going crazy. When those bulls come

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Speaker 1: into heat, there's a lot of cows around, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of commotion, and it can be very difficult to

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Speaker 1: call a bowl to your location. So what we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do is we're gonna talk about this week how to

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Speaker 1: make those right moves when things are going off. How

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Speaker 1: do you stalk in the herd past other elk, when

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Speaker 1: do you know that you're calling is not going to

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Speaker 1: call in a bowl? And what moves can you make

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Speaker 1: when there is a hot cow round and you're trying

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Speaker 1: to call a bull out of that herd. But before

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Speaker 1: we do that, I want to share the story of

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Speaker 1: a recent hunt that I just took with my trad

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Speaker 1: bow and had Bugle City all around me. So this

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Speaker 1: past weekend, I was out chasing elk and I had

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Speaker 1: just the weekend to hunt because I had a lot

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Speaker 1: of work things that I had to get done. And

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Speaker 1: so I went out and I'm like thinking of myself, Man,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be busy this, you know, just all the

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Speaker 1: things that you think I got one day. And then

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Speaker 1: I decided to bring my trade bow. I don't know here,

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Speaker 1: here's I like to I like to mix it up.

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Speaker 1: I kind of see myself as just somebody that loves

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Speaker 1: to hunt. I love to hunt with everything, whether it's

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Speaker 1: a recurve, longbow, compound bow, shotgun, rifle. Like I just

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Speaker 1: if there's an open season, I like to do it.

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Speaker 1: And I just had taken a really big bowl with

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Speaker 1: my compound bow, so I'm like, man, I definitely know

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Speaker 1: where I'm at now. I'm not gonna not gonna best

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Speaker 1: that bowl probably ever. But I thought, well, if I

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Speaker 1: by learning my standards and still feel really good about myself.

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Speaker 1: And uh, and I didn't think. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: probably I'm not gonna even run into much. So I

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Speaker 1: get up to my spot and bugle in the kind

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Speaker 1: of the early morning light. Don't hear anything. Go over

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Speaker 1: the other side and bugle, and sure enough I hear

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Speaker 1: So I start glassing and I pick out a herd

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Speaker 1: so I'm I'm hustling there. I don't know, They're probably

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Speaker 1: So I start hustling up there, and as I'm making

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Speaker 1: And so the wolves are howling maybe four hundred yards

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Speaker 1: just gonna self film it. And like I'm a glutton

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Speaker 1: antlers for like five minutes. Okay, So finally a couple

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Speaker 1: So I was like recording with that and realized it

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Speaker 1: blowing straight down from them to the elk, and the

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Speaker 1: fact that they were just like yelling like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: that's weird, what's going on? And the elk decided to

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Speaker 1: just run into people. Everybody's I mean, it's cool to

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Speaker 1: they're so focused, they're so moving, they're just constantly doing

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Speaker 1: their thing, that it's going to be very difficult to

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Speaker 1: call them away. In those scenarios, I found that the

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Speaker 1: only way to call them way is to get so

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Speaker 1: close that they have to respond, and that might be

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Speaker 1: within that hundred yard there. So if you're if you're

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Speaker 1: sitting back at two yards, you aren't gonna call a

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Speaker 1: ball off that. That's just how it's. That's just how

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Speaker 1: a hundred or sub one hundred sixty yards fifty yards,

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Speaker 1: you think, well, fifty yards I could shoot, But in

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Speaker 1: timber and in thick stuff, you almost need them in

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Speaker 1: your lap. So I try to get in as tight

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Speaker 1: as possible and then I make those calls, and that's

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Speaker 1: how I I draw in most of the bulls that

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Speaker 1: end up coming into a setup. There are those herribles,

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Speaker 1: those mature bulls or bulls that are very distracted and

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Speaker 1: preoccupied by a cow that I'm not going to be

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Speaker 1: able to call them off of. So by getting in

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Speaker 1: tight and then using my calls, so I use a

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Speaker 1: combination of stalking and calling. When the elk are kind

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Speaker 1: of whipped up in this frenzy, I like to generally

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Speaker 1: fire off of those bugles, and then a couple of

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Speaker 1: tactics that I like to use cutting the bulls off.

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Speaker 1: They don't like that, I'll cut them off and while

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Speaker 1: they're bugling, and then I'll try to add some more

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Speaker 1: aggressive sounds. I'll add those chuckles in there. Another sound

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Speaker 1: that I really make a lot is that glunking where

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Speaker 1: it's almost just like if you each your hand and

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Speaker 1: hit the back of your tube. Is a kind of

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Speaker 1: sound you'll notice when you're in a herd and there's

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Speaker 1: some hot cows in there. The bulls will be cruising

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Speaker 1: around making that noise and it's almost like there. It's

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Speaker 1: a way that they're talking to those cows, and it

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Speaker 1: can also be a way that really pisces off bulls

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Speaker 1: that think they're in charge. Another sound that I make

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Speaker 1: that's not even a bugle is through the bugle to

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Speaker 1: huffing and breathing really heavy. Almost think of it like

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Speaker 1: a snort wheeze with a white tailer, Like I just

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Speaker 1: get through the tube and they don't like that. And

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Speaker 1: it's like when you're in close enough that helps bring

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Speaker 1: that bull in. That extra distance is really good too

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Speaker 1: if you've got two callers, because you can get one

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Speaker 1: guy set up a little bit further. You both get

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Speaker 1: in pretty tight, and then you make those noises and

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Speaker 1: oftentimes you can get those bulls to kind of come

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Speaker 1: in and check it out. Um. And that's another way

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Speaker 1: that I've had a lot of success calling in some

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Speaker 1: of the bigger bulls and heard the herd bulls. People

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Speaker 1: talk about calling in the herd bull and that's a

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Speaker 1: very difficult thing to do. But if you get in tight,

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Speaker 1: if you make the right sounds, and you move past

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Speaker 1: a lot of the elk that you aren't interested in

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Speaker 1: without blowing him out, but by being aggressive enough to

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Speaker 1: be able to get into the herd you can, you

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Speaker 1: have a lot better chance of actually calling that herd

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Speaker 1: bull to where you can get a shot. I don't

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Speaker 1: know about you, but I really can't believe September has

482
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Speaker 1: already coming gone. I mean, I feel like I spend

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Speaker 1: more time thinking about this time here than anything, and

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Speaker 1: uh and then it just flies by. But I hope

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Speaker 1: that some of those tips and tactics helped you. I know,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate all the messages I got, I'd say

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Speaker 1: this year more than any I've had people reach out

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Speaker 1: with photos and videos even and just saying like this

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Speaker 1: tactic killed this bull for me, And that, to me

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Speaker 1: is why I love doing this podcast. Um that's actually

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Speaker 1: the only reason I like doing this podcast, because it's

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Speaker 1: it's about, you know, helping people be more successful in

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Speaker 1: the time that they get to go out there and

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Speaker 1: enjoy the hunt. And so I want to help you

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Speaker 1: guys be more successful in one of the ways that

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Speaker 1: I like to do that and build these podcasts out

497
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Speaker 1: to know, what's going to make you more successful is

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Speaker 1: by the question answers and the interaction that I get

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Speaker 1: from you guys. So we'll be doing a Q and

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Speaker 1: A coming up. It can be about l hunting, it

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Speaker 1: can be about anything. And then also throughout your ideas

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Speaker 1: of things that you guys are interested in hearing in

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Speaker 1: the future because I like to there's there's things I've

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Speaker 1: got ideas on. Um, we're coming into the beginning of October.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of a lot of general deer

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Speaker 1: seasons that time of year, and that honestly, October deer

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Speaker 1: hunting meal deer hunting is probably the hardest thing you

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Speaker 1: can do. Um, It's one of the hardest hunts out

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Speaker 1: out west in my opinion. It's a hard time of

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Speaker 1: year to hunt them. But there are a few tips

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Speaker 1: and tactics that I've used to be successful that time

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Speaker 1: of year. Um. But there's I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of different things going on, So feel free to reach

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Speaker 1: out the best ways on Instagram at Remy Warren and

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Speaker 1: you can go if you actually did like a little

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Speaker 1: story of this this day that I just talked about,

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Speaker 1: so I'll actually try to go put that on my

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Speaker 1: profile and save it. So if you want to see

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Speaker 1: a little bit of footage of the day, kind of

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Speaker 1: build it out in a visual way. Here you hear

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Speaker 1: the story. It's so hard to like, you know, actually

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Speaker 1: tell the whole story in like videos you're going and

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Speaker 1: it's also hard to like show the whole story as

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Speaker 1: you're talking about it on a podcast, so combination that

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Speaker 1: you can kind of help paint a good picture. But

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Speaker 1: I thought it might be fun to to throw that

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Speaker 1: out there. As always, you know, sending your questions. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you guys. Also the great comments on the podcast

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen, comments, feedback rating, good ratings, those are great,

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Speaker 1: always great, So I appreciate you all. Until next week,

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Speaker 1: live it up in Bogle City. Cat you guys later,