1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 2: Hey guys, welcome to the Almost Podcast. Today we have 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: a big name from Grand season on Carolina Sophia. You 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: may know her as the girl who said I'm crazy 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: and evil. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: That line just repeated over and over again. And I 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: decided to do so much throughout this season. 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: You really did. I actually I could not even sleep 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: last night just listening to everything back because I was like, wait, 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 3: I said yes to this podcast. Let me double check 13 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 3: to see, like, well, we need to like get on 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: the same page on we can have a debate, we 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 3: can like I want to where we align. Even if 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 3: you had just like talked, that's fine, but I wanted 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 3: to see, like where we coincided and where we did it. 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 3: And you were very kind to me, and in the 19 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: moments that you were annoyed with me, I would have 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: been annoyed with me too if they were real. They 21 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: just weren't real, by the way, but we can guess 22 00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: that later. 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: Wow. Actually, let's just get to it now. You just 24 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: open the door for It's so fun. Remind everyone, like 25 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: why the women supposedly didn't get along with you? 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 4: Was the good reason. No, not really. 27 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 5: Let's just let's stay focused on the reason. I want 28 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 5: to hear your response on why you think it happened 29 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 5: the way it happened. 30 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: You know, I try to be very nice when we 31 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 3: were filming. I think they were weirdly obsessed with me. 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 3: And this is gonna sound bad and I'm gonna get canceled. 33 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 5: This is gonna be like, there's no canceling anymore? Does 34 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 5: it happen? 35 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: Right? 36 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: It's just like, it's like, why are you literally, why 37 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 3: are you so obsessed with me? If you think that 38 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: I'm taking up too much attention, don't give me attention. 39 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 3: I was so ready to be a background person. I 40 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: was like, if it's not me, I will see myself out. 41 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 3: And I really do not understand why everyone was so 42 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: upset with me. 43 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: You actually have a very similar not I actually wouldn't 44 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 2: say vibe, but I think that the girls took you 45 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: in the house the way that we took Britt. And 46 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: if anybody back, you know, our audience has watched my 47 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: season mostly probably, but since you are much younger than I, 48 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 2: I'll say that I believe that we were all just 49 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: jealous of her. 50 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: I've you said the words. 51 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: Like we were like, this girl is so ridiculously pretty, 52 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 2: he is so into her, and then on top of it, 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 2: she's like oddly nice, like so nice that it's creeping 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: us out because you can't be super liked by the 55 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: lead so pretty and then also genuinely this nice. And 56 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: I think we may have gotten her wrong. I think 57 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: that just may have been her when we were all 58 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: like just sick, just sick, Well. 59 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: Thank you. I actually really appreciate that because I think 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 3: that even like the worst that you could get out 61 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 3: of meat, which even me watching a background, like I 62 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: can see why that's annoying, is like the negativity or 63 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 3: me saying like how I really felt at certain times. 64 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 3: But I'm like, hasn't that always been a thing though 65 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 3: with the Bachelor, Like the point of it is like, 66 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 3: even though you know you're signing up for this, part 67 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: of it is the struggle of how you're really feeling. 68 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: And I think that like in the beginning, I remember 69 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 3: night one, I told the producers, everyone's so nice, everyone's 70 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 3: gonna get along. You guys are gonna have the most 71 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: boring season ever because everyone's so cool, and everyone had 72 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 3: been sharing their experiences, so I was like, oh, we're 73 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 3: really all just friends, and I really wanted to tell myself. 74 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 3: We are women in like our late twenties early thirties. 75 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 3: We don't see each other as competition, and I'm very 76 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: clear that my person is meant for me, and there's 77 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 3: no like it's not because I feel superior. It's more 78 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: of like, I'm not in competition with you. So if 79 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: that's your man, that's great. If it's mine, that's great. 80 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: But like, I really wanted that camaraderie, and it felt 81 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 3: like I'm being fed information and I'm being fed feeling. 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: So I'm trying to be the same way for my friends, 83 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: but somehow my experiences were always negative or like too 84 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 3: like I don't know. It was just like I don't 85 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 3: know why I was so annoying every time that I spoke. 86 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Ben doesn't agree with this, but this is where you know, 87 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: we differ a little bit. But I was more easily 88 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 2: persuaded into certain things and Ben is like, absolutely not goodbye. 89 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 4: But that's the thing. 90 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 3: So this is another thing that this isn't fully shown. 91 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,840 Speaker 3: But I at the beginning of the season, every time 92 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 3: they'd be like, so how are you girls all feeling, 93 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: I'd be like passed. I don't want to answer it 94 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: because I don't want to say I'm jealous, but I'm 95 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 3: also not gonna be like I'm so happy, So I 96 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: would always be like, I really don't want to share, 97 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 3: and then then the girls would take that out on 98 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: me and be like, you don't even want to participate, 99 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: like and it's like, so what do you want me 100 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: to say? You just want me to lie, to be 101 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 3: agreeable and say what you want me to say. 102 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, see you and I would have gotten 103 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: along so well because I got into a fight one 104 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 2: of those weeks because I was like, you, guys, why 105 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: are you happy for her? 106 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 4: Why are you You just got a rose? And it's 107 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: not being genuine. 108 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 2: We're all jealous and we all want to be right now. 109 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 3: You want to say like I'm happy for you. I 110 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 3: still wish it was me, Like it's like I every 111 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: time that I would say something, it was so like 112 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 3: taken out of context, and it was the same thing. 113 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 3: One girl would say, let's stop pretending we're happy for 114 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: each other. And then when I would say I there 115 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: was a thing that I said, I said, like, I'm 116 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 3: as happy for you as I can be, Like it's 117 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 3: not personally, I'm not I'm not. It's not personal. It's 118 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 3: not you that I don't like going on a date 119 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: with him. It's him going on a date with someone 120 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: who is at me. But I'm not mad. I'm just 121 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: like neutral. But you want to make my neutral negative. 122 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: So I don't know what to say. 123 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: You guys, if you're seeing a clip of this on Instagram, 124 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 2: like you can see Ben just staring at Caroline and 125 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 2: I justcri and he's like the voice of like sanity, 126 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: and we're just like exactly sorry. 127 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: I'm literally like on one right now. I just chugged 128 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: this like coffee. So Ben, go ahead, I'll let you talk. 129 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 3: Do you completely disagree with me? 130 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 5: Well, first off, hello, it's nice to meet you. This 131 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 5: is why we don't let Ashley open up the podcast. 132 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 2: Yeah one like you guys don't even know the tangent. 133 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 2: I was prepared to go on. 134 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 5: It was gonna be at it. Yeah, you'll get there 135 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 5: at some point. Do I agree with you? I'm more 136 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 5: curious about your situation. And I think it's always interesting 137 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 5: to me how a villain is created or how a 138 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 5: villain is shown on television, and it's never fully what 139 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 5: we see, we've met so many of your quote unquote 140 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 5: villains through this show and through real life. And I 141 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 5: would say, in the ten years we've done this, and 142 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 5: let's let's just call it thirty seasons that we've walked through, 143 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 5: including Paradise, I would say there's three or four that 144 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 5: I would say are legitimate, like, oh, you're not the 145 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 5: best hanging in the world, and everybody else is like, no, 146 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 5: you're great. And then I think there's a few people 147 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 5: that weren't getting the villain at it that I'm like, 148 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 5: you should have one hundred percent been shown out because 149 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: you're brutal. I think you're strategy of staying quiet is interesting. 150 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 5: I do see how you saying past could come off 151 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 5: to other contestants as she's not interested in this, she's disconnected, 152 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 5: or maybe she's too good for it. I want to know, though, 153 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 5: from you. We've heard your strategy and kind of what 154 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 5: you were going through, but I want to hear from 155 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 5: you when you felt during the filming of the season 156 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 5: where you looked around and went, oh, crap, I don't 157 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 5: know if people like me or potentially I could be 158 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 5: the villain of this season. Was there that moment where 159 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 5: you realize I might not like the way this is shown. 160 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 3: I want to say I was probably super naive about it, 161 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 3: like I. 162 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 5: That's fair, most most people are. You don't see it. 163 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: If I'm being completely honest, I knew that I wasn't 164 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 3: being mean. I'm like, there's still no clips of me 165 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: talking about anyone who hasn't come at me, like you 166 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 3: know when they asked you like did you see what 167 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 3: she was wearing? Or like wasn't she like me? And 168 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't care to be involved in 169 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 3: this like petty stuff. So I was like, I, I 170 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 3: don't think that I'm really the villain, and I don't 171 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: think that even even in Scotland. After there was a 172 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: moment where I thought of it, but then I snapped 173 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: out of it because if something else that happened, we 174 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 3: can sortcle back to this later. But yeah, I didn't 175 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: realize until the trailer came out and I was like, 176 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: but is that cheeky and funny or is it like 177 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:28,679 Speaker 3: I am the villain? 178 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 5: And I want to mention this. I have a soft 179 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 5: spot for villains, not because I feel like I really 180 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 5: was one of them or can relate to your to 181 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 5: having to watch this back on national television. I have 182 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 5: a soft spot for villains because I think I had 183 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 5: exposure to one of the worst. Olivia Creedy was the 184 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 5: villain on my season when I was the bachelor. As 185 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 5: the bachelor. 186 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 3: Yours, I think was the first one that I ever watched. 187 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 5: And she was not a villain and goodness gracious. As 188 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 5: the bachelor, we loved Olivia. She was friendly with everybody, 189 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 5: She was sweet. Yeah, she was more outspoken, and she 190 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 5: was more invested into, like our relationship and definitely took 191 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: that and made it a priority over the friendships maybe 192 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 5: on the show, but there was no moment as the 193 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 5: Bachelor that was like, oh goodness, this poor girl is 194 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 5: going to get the villain at it. Yeah, until the 195 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 5: show aired and it crushed her, and I remember going, 196 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 5: this is just not the way it was. And I 197 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 5: think most of the girls in the season stood up 198 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 5: and said that's not the way it was. So I 199 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 5: have a soft spot because I know how this happens, 200 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 5: but it's not always that way. I don't want to 201 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 5: blame editing for all this, because it's sometimes you're like, yeah, 202 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 5: you deserved it, you shouldn't have said that thing. So 203 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 5: I just wondered was there that moment where you said 204 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 5: something that you're like, this probably is not going to 205 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 5: go well. 206 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: No, the moment that I felt like I was being 207 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 3: played to potentially be a villain was that moment in 208 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 3: Scotland and where I'm sitting by myself, and that was 209 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: completely not my decision. Grant pulled three girls to go 210 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 3: play a game, and so it was me and Serafina 211 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: left sitting by herselves, and then a producer pulled Saraphena 212 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: for an interview. So they make me seem like I 213 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 3: wasn't participating, which I was. They even do like the 214 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: editing where they'd be like where it's like everyone's like 215 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 3: playing a game. If you see the behind the scenes photos, 216 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: I'm smiling, throwing my log like I sucked at it, 217 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: but I had fun. I was trying my best. So 218 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 3: in that moment where I'm sitting by myself and the 219 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: cameras are on me still, I'm like, what's going on? 220 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 3: So when Grant comes to talk to me, I tell 221 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 3: him can't you see him being like played right now? 222 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: So he's like, oh, come on whatever, just like join us. 223 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: So I go and I join that game that they're 224 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 3: all playing, and they edit it differently, so he comes 225 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 3: and finds me later and at this point I've already 226 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 3: forgotten all about like the potential setup. So he pulls 227 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 3: me and it seems as if I'm pouting in a 228 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,959 Speaker 3: corner by myself and just like trying to get his attention, 229 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: and that's why he comes over at me. But yeah, 230 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: that was like a like I thought of it in 231 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: the moment in Scotland, forgot about it, and then watching 232 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 3: it back, I'm like, yep, I was right. 233 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: Now we know that you may have gotten along more 234 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: than people would have thought. However, I just am guessing 235 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 2: that you didn't necessarily get along well with Juliana because 236 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 2: you don't follow her on Instagram and you said something 237 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 2: on TikTok. 238 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 4: I'm gonna write it. 239 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: You said, anyone claiming to be ready for an engagement 240 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: with the Bachelor before actually going on in one on 241 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: one with that person is probably just trying to win 242 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: the Bachelor more than connect with the human. So do 243 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 2: you think that, like Juliana was in it for the game, 244 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: what's your relationship? Like, how did you drive with her 245 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: during I. 246 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 3: Will be super honest, I never liked her. I don't 247 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: I wish her well. I think she was always poking 248 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 3: the bear and she got a really good edit. I 249 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: think on her basketball date, I heard she was not 250 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 3: nice to Zoe either, And I've even got and like 251 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: messages from people saying they were like part of that 252 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: group date and said that she just wasn't a nice person. 253 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 3: The night that the Rose thing happened, she started accusing 254 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: Rose of like putting a damper on the night. So 255 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 3: I had to stand up for Rose and be like, 256 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: if anything, blame me. And that's why the moment she 257 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: approached me, I was like, what are you getting at, Like, 258 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 3: you're just starting drama. I think had someone else come 259 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: to me and been like, hey, just so you know, 260 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: like we're feeling this type of way and we want 261 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 3: you to fix it, it would have been more constructive. 262 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 3: But she was coming at me saying like just so 263 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 3: you know, we've been talking about you, so I'm just 264 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 3: gonna tell you straight up. So yeah, I don't think 265 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: she's the greatest person, and I think she was trying 266 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 3: to start drama and I don't think she There's no 267 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 3: way that she could have that she could have felt 268 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 3: so confident about him being her person if she hadn't 269 00:12:53,720 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: even had a one on one date, Like, that's insane. 270 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 5: Let's switch gears a little bit. We've identified your storyline. 271 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 5: I am curious also about Grant. We just had Grant 272 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 5: on the show. He I don't actually know if it 273 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 5: has happened yet. He was getting ready for the reality 274 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 5: games or something. But Grant was the bachelor of your season. 275 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 5: Give us, if you don't mind two parts. One, explain 276 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 5: Grant to us as the bachelor, and then also what 277 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 5: your attraction or desire to potentially be in a relationship 278 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 5: with him actually was okay. 279 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 3: The Grant that I met, like in the beginning, was 280 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: very reserved, and I've heard him say that he felt 281 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 3: like he had this pressure to be the bachelor, And 282 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 3: I remember even on night one, I was like, I 283 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 3: don't even know if there's going to be a connection there. 284 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: But I think on that group date where I made 285 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: out with him, and on our one on one, we 286 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 3: had so much fun together, and I think that I 287 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: felt really like comfortable with him, and it felt like 288 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: a like a relationship that could build off a great friendship. 289 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: And I felt really flattered that I could see him 290 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: opening up really quickly and he would tell me, which 291 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 3: I mean now he probably told everyone that, but he 292 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: was like, I feel like I can just stop being 293 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: the bachelor with you and just like be myself. So 294 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: I think that's how I ended up like kind of 295 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: liking him. 296 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: Oh that goes into my next question. So we recently 297 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: had Lettia on the podcast and she had said on 298 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 2: the show that he called her the one early on, 299 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: but on our show she kind of told us even 300 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: more that he kept saying and he kept saying like 301 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: I love you and I can't wait, you know, for 302 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 2: it to be us in the end. 303 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 4: Did he ever say things like that to you? 304 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: I was listening to that episode yeah, on the way here, 305 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 3: and I was genuinely like cackling because I think Grant 306 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 3: is just like a misunderstood diva. Like I'm a fan 307 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: of Grant. I think that he is just like genuinely 308 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 3: not about person. I just think he's so not self 309 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 3: aware because I listened to him and I think this 310 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: man is convinced that he didn't say those things to people. Yeah, 311 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 3: the way that he says like, oh, it would be 312 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: dumb of me to say this while I'm miked, I'm like, 313 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: Grant be so for real, like the things that he 314 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: said to me. Also while might crazy, like I don't 315 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: know if he told Letti that she was the one, 316 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 3: but he was also telling me a lot of things 317 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 3: miked and on Mike, and I would still tell him like, 318 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: tone it down because it's a lot, and then he 319 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: would still continue to do it. He didn't call me 320 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 3: the one, I will say, but he he was like, 321 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: oh when he meet my family, and then he would 322 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: make like is. 323 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 5: This what they call love bombing? 324 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: Absolutely? 325 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm still trying to get my terminology always right 326 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 5: on this show and keeping up with the young'uns. 327 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think I think the whole bosis of the 328 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 3: Bachelor is so accelerated that it is inevitably kind of 329 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 3: love bombing. But it's like, yeah, then don't do it 330 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 3: to every girl, like yeah, be polite, be nice, Like 331 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 3: my crash out was because he had said so much 332 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 3: on that one on one and then me finding out 333 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: that like he's kind of saying the same thing to everyone, 334 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 3: and I'm like, wait, do I need to like really 335 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: back in, like what's going on? And I felt played. Honestly, 336 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 3: I don't think I would have been a villain if 337 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 3: we had a good Bachelor. 338 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 5: Oh wait, whoa, You're a fan of Grant, but you 339 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 5: don't think he was a good I'm. 340 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: Like, ironically a fan of Grant, Like I don't. 341 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 4: I love her. 342 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: I love her, Like I think Grant is so unaware 343 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 3: of how funny he is that I like, like I 344 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 3: watched his tiktoks that I'm like slaty Eva like yeah, 345 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: like I love him, I'm obsessed with him. 346 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 2: You love him as entertainment and he's giving you non 347 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: intentional entertainment, right. 348 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, he didn't come off that way. Here's what's interesting. 349 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 5: We don't have to dive into he didn't come off 350 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 5: that way on The Bachelor, Like he didn't come off 351 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 5: as that kind of like really expressive. 352 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 3: Right, he's not being very expressive, like he doesn't. I mean, 353 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:04,239 Speaker 3: I guess his dances or his I don't know. I 354 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: just think all I'm saying is he's unintentionally funny, Like 355 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: he's not being comedic on TikTok. Would you say it's. 356 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 4: The lack of Selvi. 357 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 3: It's like it's like the fact that he's so convinced 358 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 3: that he's a good guy. And I don't think he's 359 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: a bad guy either. It's just more of like a 360 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: oh my god, like you can't be serious. 361 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 5: So what do you think about this celibacy journey? 362 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 4: I mean. 363 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: Cool, I'm more concerned about the the dating advice, like 364 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 3: so for real, babe, like what but like love him 365 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: genuinely like big band so funny. 366 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: So have you spoken to him since the show or 367 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 2: since the split? 368 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 3: No? No, But the other day I was out with 369 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 3: a guy that I liked who was also loved bombing 370 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: me and then that also ended very quickly by the way, 371 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 3: shout out to him if he watches this, and he was. 372 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 3: We facetimed Grant. We tried calling Grant like twenty times 373 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 3: and he was like, are you not embarrassed? Like Grant 374 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: saying I thin you're upsets with him? Like no, this 375 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: is hilarious. And Grant tried answering, but he it wasn't 376 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: like connecting. 377 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: Okay, So Carolyna, I have to go into this just 378 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: because you just gave me the window. Did you don't 379 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: have a boyfriend anymore? 380 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 3: No, not anymore, like it was never a boyfriend. 381 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 2: Did you have a boyfriend over the summer that you 382 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 2: got married to fake? 383 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: No? 384 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 3: No, it was it was a fake wedding. 385 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 4: That was a fake wedding to a friend. 386 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh okay, wait, wait, well no, don't just skip 387 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 5: over the what do you mean? 388 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: Okay, so you got married in a fake wedding over 389 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 2: the summer. 390 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 4: Was it like a sponsored thing? 391 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, it's like a party that they're throwing in 392 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 3: different countries, And in Puerto Rico it was like, okay, 393 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 3: who do we pick for this? And it was kind 394 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 3: of like iconic that the girl who failed at an engagement, 395 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 3: you know, would be part of it. So I said, 396 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 3: sign me up. 397 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: Okay. Funny. 398 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 4: So you. 399 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: Have not had a relationship since to the show. Okay, 400 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 2: so then you have a childhood crush quote quote childhood 401 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 2: on Jo Jonas. 402 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 5: I'm going to check out for the next fifteen minutes. 403 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 2: God, like we could have like our own episode if 404 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: you'd like about Jojonas, because I would love to, because like, 405 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you know that I'm you know, yeah, 406 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 2: I saw the eighteen years of of. 407 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: That, but you're married, so just let me have him. 408 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 2: I'm just really glad that I'm married because every time 409 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: I go to a show and it's okay, like maybe 410 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 2: going to my fourth of the tour tomorrow, I'm just 411 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 2: really glad that I'm married because I would be absolutely 412 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: mentally ill. No, I am mentally ill, Like I wouldn't 413 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 2: be able to go on a date with anyone else. 414 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 2: So okay, so I love that this past year. How 415 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 2: are you doing? How are you doing being single? During 416 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: the Greetings from your Hometown show? 417 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: So this is the thing. It's so peaceful not having 418 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: a crush, like I don't. I don't go to bed 419 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 3: thinking about just a lot. But now it's like I 420 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 3: go to bed and I'm like, like, I wish I 421 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 3: was just like cuddling with Jojonas right now, which is 422 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: so psychotic. But I think my obsession is less healthy 423 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 3: than it was when I was like fourteen. 424 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: I've been pretty unhealthy throughout the entire eighteen years. So yeah, 425 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: but like, can you believe what he's been like like 426 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: one hottest he's ever been, two funnies he's ever been. 427 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 3: Well, no, he was always funny, that's the thing. 428 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 2: He has always been funny, but he's been like really 429 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: relaxed lately. 430 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 3: People didn't get that, and that's why that's I think 431 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: that's why it's hard for me to date men because 432 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: I don't like anyone's personality is the way that I 433 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: love my parasocial relationship. 434 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 2: With the parasocial relationship with. 435 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 3: Back in the day. Do you remember, oh, how the 436 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 3: tables at tours? 437 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 4: Of course I have, I know all them. 438 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 3: The're iconic. 439 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 4: He's always been. 440 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 2: So so funny, and it's always been his personality that's 441 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 2: made him so attractive. 442 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 3: And now he's even hotter. 443 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: But now he's even physically hotter, And like, I think 444 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: that there was a time where he was way more 445 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: reserved and now he's just big, big bong. 446 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: Okay, well, I I think I've always perceived him as 447 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 3: being being bombed. It almost makes me mad that now 448 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 3: people want to hop on this bandwagon. I'm like, no, 449 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 3: I've been here this whole time. 450 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: I know, all right, So I just wanted to let 451 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 2: you know that, Like, I feel like you could probably 452 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: make your way in on that. I know that he 453 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 2: is kind of seeing someone, but like, I also don't 454 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: know how. 455 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: Serious it is, And I mean, it's Joe Jonahs. I 456 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: love him, but you know, I might not last that 457 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 3: long and I'm always here for a rebound if he's 458 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 3: that's right. 459 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just like really glad we can bond over 460 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: this like, let's dm like each other some some Instagram reels. 461 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 3: If I were to have had a meeting with ABC, 462 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 3: I would have been like, can you make this happen 463 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: if there is any potential of If they had asked like, oh, 464 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: what would you want this to look like? Who would 465 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 3: you want to see? I'd be like the Jonahs brothers 466 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: and they would have said, like, oh, we have relationship 467 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: with them. 468 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 2: They certainly do have a relationship with her, I know 469 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 2: with the Hulu Disney Plus combo. 470 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 4: Did you see the movie yet? 471 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: Oh? 472 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, fantastic. 473 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 5: Hey, speaking of Rebounds Paradise, we didn't see you in Paradise. 474 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 5: We would expect you to be in Paradise, but you 475 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 5: weren't there. Why were you not there? 476 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 3: M that's a great question. 477 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: Who would you want to date? 478 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 5: It there? 479 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 3: That's a thing like who would I like? Can they 480 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: get me? 481 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 2: Jo? 482 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 3: Jonas? 483 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 2: Like, I mean, Jonathan would have been your closest bet, 484 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: I mean you know what I mean. 485 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 3: I don't know that. I do know what you mean, 486 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 3: and I love Jonathan, but like Jonathan, I adore you genuinely. 487 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 4: The closest you would get as far as like your type. 488 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, my type is josonas. Yes, basically I haven't. I 489 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 3: don't really have a type, but personality I need. I 490 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 3: need big, big bong. 491 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: You know. 492 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: Well in that case, not Jonathan, No, no, no. 493 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 5: Carolina, you weren't in paradise. The show was I don't 494 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: even know if we can call it rough for you. 495 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 5: It reminded me a lot of like krin Olympio's like 496 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 5: storyline where you're not really a villain, but you're like 497 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 5: polarizing and people don't really know how to feel. 498 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: But she at least got more love and she got 499 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: more clout. Like I was like, what did I get 500 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 3: out of this? 501 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 5: Well, you went on. You came on the show at 502 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 5: a different time than her too, The show was more, 503 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 5: had a ton more viewers. She also had a very 504 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 5: popular Bachelor as her bachelor, and I think people really 505 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 5: like I think that helps when it comes to, you know, 506 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 5: the cloud that comes to the contestants. Also, she went 507 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 5: on a bunch of other shows, which we're going to 508 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 5: get to after her time on the show. 509 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 3: By the way, before we move on, before I forget, 510 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 3: can I just say the reason why mess I screwed 511 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 3: myself over was because because I want to make sure 512 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: this gets across the right way. I wasn't willing to 513 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: lie to anyone or manipulate anyone for the clout. I'm 514 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: just saying, when you look back, you're like, damn, I 515 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 3: should just pretend it to be fully into him so 516 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: that I could just stay longer and then at least 517 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 3: benefit from the brand deals. Just so we're clear, I 518 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 3: wasn't willing to do that. I'm not. 519 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 4: The transparency is so wonderful. 520 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 3: No, No, like I it's true, like you know that 521 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 3: you could get opportunities, but I that's that was my 522 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: self sabotage, was being so open about like I'm not 523 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 3: willing to stay here if this guy isn't treating me 524 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 3: right just for the sake of TV. So okay, so sorry. 525 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 5: Go ahead. I guess. With all that being said, my question, 526 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 5: in the simplest form is do you feel back to yourself? 527 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 5: Do you feel healthy again? And now looking back on 528 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 5: this whole experience, are you still glad you did it? 529 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't regret doing it, and now like 530 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 3: I would do it again. I'm like, if I survived this, 531 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: I don't know if this is toxic of me, but 532 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: I I was so sad and so like not even 533 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 3: wanting to consider like reality shows or whatever. Now I'm like, 534 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: what sign me up? 535 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 5: Interesting? 536 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 537 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 5: I mean I do think there's opportunities for you out 538 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 5: there with some of these shows that Karinn has done, 539 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 5: if they still exist, some of those like villain shows 540 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 5: or some of those more like those shows out a 541 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 5: little crazier perfect Match House of Villain like those things 542 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 5: are really popular, and definitely I think they actually talking 543 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 5: to a current about it. I actually felt like she 544 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 5: felt more herself in those at times, and sometimes it 545 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 5: we even went too far in a direction she didn't 546 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 5: want it to because it was so wild and she 547 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 5: was actually the reserved one. So I do think those 548 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 5: opportunities would be really good for you. And if you 549 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 5: is listening that cast for those shows, please consider currently not. 550 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: Me, please, Yeah, I would do it. I think I 551 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: learned a lot. I don't regret it. I don't think 552 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 3: that it could go any worse for me truly, So 553 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 3: bring it on. 554 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 4: Hm. 555 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: Did you reach out to any other villains like my 556 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: friend Sidney was the villain this season before? Did anybody 557 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 2: reach out to you? 558 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 3: Shane reached out to me, okay, which was nice. Yeah, 559 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 3: but no one I don't, and if someone did, and 560 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 3: I'm forgetting them, I'm so sorry. No one that I 561 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: can remember being a villain. 562 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm sorry I didn't because yeah I didn't. 563 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 4: I know, so sorry we did. 564 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 3: I would defecting a lot here. Thank you so much. 565 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 3: That was very sweet. You also weren't a villain though, No, 566 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 3: you were just a crier. 567 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 5: So was that? 568 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: Okay, we'd crash out, It's fine. 569 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 5: We did have Zachary reality on who mentioned that you 570 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 5: guys had a friendship, but that friendship had wayne for 571 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 5: a bit and I felt like it was trying to 572 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 5: get back on. 573 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 3: Uh, we're good again. 574 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 5: You guys are good. You love Zach like we think 575 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 5: he's He's an incredible commentator for these real So you 576 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 5: guys are good again. 577 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 578 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 2: I think I want to wrap this up by asking 579 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: you if, if you weren't the villain of your season, 580 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 2: who secretly was. I mean, you kind of alluded to 581 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 2: Juliana of not being as nice as. 582 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: I think Juliana, Zoe and Grant, but Grant didn't mean 583 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: to be. But he's just like so Grant, you know, wait, 584 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,479 Speaker 3: how is Zoe? I think Zoe is a very judgmental person, 585 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 3: and even then, I think people try, Like I remember 586 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 3: hearing about how she was treated on her date where 587 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 3: she did actually steal him, and I was like, not cool, 588 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 3: But I still would have defended her because it feels 589 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 3: shitty to be attacked, And I remember trying to be 590 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 3: nice to her, like I remember there was a day 591 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: where she was concerned about like in Spain, when she 592 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 3: had extra time with Grant. She came back and she 593 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 3: was like, just do you guys know, like she was 594 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 3: kind of freaking out a little bit. She was like, 595 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: I even if even though it seems like I was 596 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 3: gone for a long time, like it wasn't long. Like 597 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: she was very concerned about how the group would perceive 598 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 3: her time, and I was like, don't worry about it, 599 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 3: Like no one was talking about it. Everyone's just like tired, 600 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 3: like no one's So I tried, like I don't not 601 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 3: that we were friends, but I tried being nice to her, 602 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: And then she still came at me for the dumbest thing. 603 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 3: She called me out for taking a nap on the couch, 604 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: where it's like, why do you care so much if 605 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 3: I took a nap on the couch and why are 606 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: you like coming at me and saying like like the 607 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 3: things that she was saying in Scotland, where it's like 608 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 3: purposely excluding me from a conversation, being super judgmental towards me, 609 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,959 Speaker 3: and then even on social media still being like weird 610 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 3: about me. I tried telling her, like I tried complimenting 611 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: her and being like, never thought we'd agree because everyone 612 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: knows we don't agree on anything. But like you go girl, 613 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 3: like trying to be like offer that I'm not gonna 614 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: be fake and suddenly be like, you know, like I 615 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 3: know we've never been friends, but you go o girl, 616 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: and she's like yeah weird. Like I'm just like, why 617 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 3: are you like mean? Like I just don't I'm just 618 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 3: like okay whatever. She went on another podcast saying that 619 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: I was annoying for taking pictures. It's like when I 620 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: saw you taking pictures, that's when I asked for pictures 621 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: of myself, Like you were taking pictures first, what do 622 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 3: you mean? Like even I just don't think that. Like, 623 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: if you don't like somebody because of little quirks that 624 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 3: they have, you should go on a podcast and just 625 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 3: blast them like that and the way like she would 626 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 3: just come at me for little things. It's like I 627 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 3: didn't seal her time, I didn't do anything to her, 628 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: so I think she was just like petty. Those are 629 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 3: the people. 630 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: I could have seen them flipping in on her too. 631 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: I thought she was gonna be the villain the whole time. 632 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 5: But I don't know whatever you got that, you got 633 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 5: that honor clearing me. You have the honor of that 634 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 5: title from yourself so much. 635 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 3: ABC. I love you. 636 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, next question for you, and my final question is 637 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,080 Speaker 5: what is life? What do you hope life looks like? 638 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 5: H kind of in the next few years for you? 639 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 5: Coming off of this show? You do you know have 640 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 5: a following now you will get a ton of press 641 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 5: from this interview. I promise you that what if anybody 642 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,719 Speaker 5: listens that could support you, help you, or at least 643 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 5: have you a part of their projects. What are you 644 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 5: hoping comes in the next few years of your life? 645 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 3: Ooh project wise? Oh, this is like a lot of 646 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 3: pressure to answer on the spot. 647 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 5: Let me think, well, I know one you want to 648 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,680 Speaker 5: go on these shows, any spin off show, you'd be 649 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 5: very interested in doing it. 650 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 3: Thank you. I love hosting. Like I don't know if 651 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,959 Speaker 3: this was even shown on the show, but I used 652 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 3: to be a TV reporter, like I would loved how 653 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 3: we were talking about that before you came on. Yeah, 654 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: I would love that. If anyone needs a host, let 655 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: me know. I don't know literally anything like hit me up. 656 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: I'm so for an adventure. 657 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 5: I would say this, Carolina, you will be perfect on 658 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 5: some of these really fun spin off shows like House 659 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 5: of Villain and any of these they're cool things that 660 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 5: we love to watch people do, and beyond that I 661 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 5: could never be a part of because they're saying yes 662 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 5: to things that I. 663 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 2: Because he's far too sane, because he has all of 664 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 2: his marbles always. 665 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 5: I think it'd just be fun. It's fun, it's fun 666 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 5: to watch, and I think you'd be great at it. 667 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 5: Thank you, Carolina. You're a pleasure, and so are you guys. 668 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 3: You guys are even more likable talking to you, like, 669 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 3: not in person, but you know virtually than I could 670 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: have even imagined. 671 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 4: So do you watch the show at all anymore? 672 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: Because I would love to have you co host if 673 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 2: we ever need a substitute. 674 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, let me know. 675 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,959 Speaker 4: Okay, cool, because you're so fun and honest. 676 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: Oh my oh yeah, okay. 677 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll take a break. I'll just like I won't 678 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 5: I will not show up. I will not be here. 679 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 5: You you two can go on and on and on 680 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 5: about whatever you want to talk. 681 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: Already distracted conversation where we relate everything back to Joe. 682 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I literally started talking to I'm like, where was 683 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: I going this? And I'm just hoping I find it again? 684 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 4: So well, that makes two of us. 685 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ben's probably biggest faux pas about doing a podcast 686 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 2: with me. 687 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, you just kind of get used to it after 688 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 5: you Carolina, It's been great. Hopefully you come back soon. 689 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 5: Until next time, I've been Ben, Thank. 690 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 3: You, I've been Ashley. Bye. 691 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on 692 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.