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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Second hour Clay and Buck kicks off now, everyone, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we did a little bit of a breakdown

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Speaker 2: yesterday into this salvo against Trump where they were saying

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Speaker 2: that there's all this money that was pouring in, Oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, all this money pouring in to Trump coffers

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Speaker 2: from foreign governments. Seven point eight million dollars from foreign entities.

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Speaker 2: That's the number that's the headline. And this is all

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Speaker 2: meant to be a false equivalency between Hunter Biden's well

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Speaker 2: financial extracurricular activities, not all of them, but the stuff

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Speaker 2: that he was doing taking money from abroad and Trump.

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Speaker 2: They're effectively saying, well, Trump was taking money while he

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Speaker 2: was president, Hunter Biden was just taking money on behalf

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Speaker 2: of his vice president dad, and the dad didn't know

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Speaker 2: about it. We know what they're going to say. In fact,

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Speaker 2: here you can hear a little bit of how they're

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Speaker 2: trying to position this as an attack on him, pushing

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Speaker 2: the Trump violated the emoluments clause. Play six.

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Speaker 3: Democrats argue this is a violation of wait for it,

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Speaker 3: the Emolument's clause.

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Speaker 2: Violation of the Emolument's Clause of the.

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Speaker 4: Constitution, violations of the Constitution's foreign Emolument's clause, violations of

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Speaker 4: the Constitution's for Emolument's clause.

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Speaker 2: Violates the Emolument's clause of the Constitution violated the foreign

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Speaker 2: Emolument's clause.

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Speaker 5: The Emolument's clause has always been a concern since Trump

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Speaker 5: entered office.

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Speaker 4: It was business as usual for Trump make money in

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Speaker 4: any way you can.

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Speaker 3: Presidents could be bribed, and that's why the Emolument's clause

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Speaker 3: exists in the Constitution.

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Speaker 2: That's about time when forced the Environment's clause. You know

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Speaker 2: who doesn't violate the Emolument's clause by investing in foreign

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Speaker 2: companies and making money Hunter Biden. Okay, so this is

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Speaker 2: where you get into clay. They really want people to

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Speaker 2: believe and I want I wanted to hear some of

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Speaker 2: this audio because it happened to some of this was

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Speaker 2: happening yesterday while you were still on the plane. They

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Speaker 2: really want people to believe that wiring millions of dollars

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Speaker 2: directly to Hunter Biden is somehow fine and in fact

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Speaker 2: way more fine than people going who are foreign going

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Speaker 2: to Trump golf courses. Or hotels and spending money there.

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Speaker 2: Right one is ay goods for services transaction. And I

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Speaker 2: think this, this will help put every put this a

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Speaker 2: little bit in a perspective. Clay the number that they

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Speaker 2: have there, there's seven point whatever, seven point eight million

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Speaker 2: according to Forbes over the course of Trump's four years

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Speaker 2: in office with you know, he wasn't controlling the properties obviously,

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Speaker 2: and I think Eric was mostly in charge of it

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Speaker 2: at the time. He hauled in two point four billion

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Speaker 2: dollars in revenue. So dozens of different countries, foreign entities

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Speaker 2: spending seven million dollars through an enterprise of a goods

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Speaker 2: for services transaction is supposed to bribe a corporate head,

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Speaker 2: a corporate head or chairman that makes two point four

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Speaker 2: billion dollar? Like, am I bribing Steve or what's his

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Speaker 2: name Cook? What's the guy's name, Tim Cook? Am I

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Speaker 2: bribing Steve Tim Cook? When I buy an iPhone?

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Speaker 5: Like?

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Speaker 2: Does he owe me something?

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Speaker 4: Well, not only that, every time I hear this talked about,

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Speaker 4: it is evidence of how stupid most people in media are.

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Speaker 4: Even if you wanted to make this argument, only a

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Speaker 4: tiny pinprick of that money is profit, So a lot

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Speaker 4: in this I understand that a lot of people in

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Speaker 4: politics don't actually run a business. But if you go

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Speaker 4: buy a big Mac and it costs you, I don't

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Speaker 4: even know what a big Mac calls now, six bucks,

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Speaker 4: seven bucks.

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Speaker 2: Probably if you.

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Speaker 4: Go buy a big Mac, McDonald's doesn't make seven dollars

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Speaker 4: on your big Mac. They probably make I'm guessing here,

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Speaker 4: thirty cents on a big Mac when they strip out

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Speaker 4: all of the costs associated with everything that they have

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Speaker 4: to do in order to make that hamburger. Maybe they

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Speaker 4: make fifty cents, Maybe they make a dollar, depending on

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Speaker 4: where the franchise e is, right.

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Speaker 2: Food margins are usually tiary thin.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And usually, and this is taking you a little

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Speaker 4: bit behind the curtain, usually you make your most money

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Speaker 4: in any restaurant on alcohol, which has a very high

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Speaker 4: It cost almost nothing on for a soda, So if

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Speaker 4: you pay two dollars for a fountain drink, you know

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Speaker 4: they're making substantial margins there.

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Speaker 2: But this is.

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Speaker 4: Why there's so so much of the attack here. They

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Speaker 4: might make let's say that they did seven point at

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Speaker 4: five or seven point eight million dollars in revenue, they

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Speaker 4: might make ten percent on that all right, in terms

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Speaker 4: of actual profit that would descend, and you might not

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Speaker 4: make any money at all.

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Speaker 2: Your business might not be profitable. Trump doesn't even get

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Speaker 2: all ten percent of it. I mean, that's graz This

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Speaker 2: is this is the equal I want to when you

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Speaker 2: strip this all down, It's like they're saying China could

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Speaker 2: influence Trump because a Chinese company had like rented space

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Speaker 2: in a Trump office building, which in the at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day puts like fifty grand or something

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Speaker 2: maybe in Trump's pocket when all expenses what all said

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Speaker 2: and done. Yeah, this is crazy. This is just this

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Speaker 2: is not living in reality at all.

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Speaker 4: I ran a business that was in the advertising business.

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Speaker 4: We made a lot of money in advertising deals with

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Speaker 4: all of these different companies.

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Speaker 2: But you know what I also had to do.

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Speaker 4: I had to pay out all my employees and I

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Speaker 4: had to cover all my expenses. And so what they're

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Speaker 4: trying to do here, this is what's important about this.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to eliminate what Hunter Biden did by arguing

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Speaker 4: that Donald Trump and his family did just as bad

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Speaker 4: or worse.

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Speaker 2: And you'll see this also happened Buck.

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Speaker 4: In addition to how stupid this argument is people will

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Speaker 4: come out and they'll say, well, the Saudis gave Jared

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Speaker 4: Kushner two billion dollars, so why do we care about

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Speaker 4: what they're doing with the money that China and Ukraine

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Speaker 4: companies gave to hundred bid. These are not similar things, right,

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Speaker 4: And I understand again this is somewhat complicated. The Saudis

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Speaker 4: invested in Jared Kushner's investment fund. When you invest with

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Speaker 4: Charles Schwab, Charles Schwab doesn't get to walk away with

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Speaker 4: your four oh one k. They are managing your four

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Speaker 4: oh one k. Right, Jared Kushner started an investment fund.

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Speaker 4: The Saudis will get back ideally all of their two

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Speaker 4: billion dollars, plus all of the money that they make

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Speaker 4: on the end investments that Jared Kushner is involved in.

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Speaker 4: What Hunter Biden got was money for virtually nothing.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Whatever you want to say about the Trump hotel or

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Speaker 4: the Trump restaurants, you pay for a service and you

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Speaker 4: get back that service. Whatever you think about Jared Kushner's

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Speaker 4: money management skills, the Saudis are giving him money to invest.

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Speaker 4: They're not giving him that money. Hunter banked millions of

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Speaker 4: dollars potentially tens of millions we don't even know, based

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Speaker 4: entirely on his name, and he got the full value

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Speaker 4: of all of those dollars.

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Speaker 1: This is not.

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Speaker 2: Comparable at all. This is not comparable at all. And

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Speaker 2: it also goes to if they you know, they tried

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Speaker 2: this before, I mean the Washington Post, it's been laughable.

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Speaker 2: They tried this while Trump was president, and when people

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Speaker 2: finally dig into it, and when an actual court looks

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Speaker 2: into it, they're like, this is this is absurd. If

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Speaker 2: there were Chinese diplomats going into the Trump hotel where

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Speaker 2: during the Trump presidency, I used to hang out all

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Speaker 2: the time. I'm some of you probably even saw me

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Speaker 2: there high five. If they were going in there and saying, oh,

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Speaker 2: I'm not buying I'm not going to pay twenty dollars

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Speaker 2: for this cheeseburger. I'm going to give you twenty million

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Speaker 2: dollars for this cheeseburger. Yes, yes, okay, that that would start.

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Speaker 2: You'd start to say that something funny is going on here.

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Speaker 2: This is a bribe, right, we understand. Kind of like

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Speaker 2: if you were I don't know, creating finger paintings and

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Speaker 2: had like no history as an artist and started selling

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Speaker 2: them for five hundred thousand dollars to anonymous buyers like

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden was doing is doing if it is doing.

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Speaker 2: If someone is paying you five hundred grand for your

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Speaker 2: cheeseburger at a hotel, I do think that that should

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Speaker 2: be looked into. If they're paying you twenty bucks, it's

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Speaker 2: a business. I mean, but you know, Clay, so few

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Speaker 2: of the people who talk about this write for the

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Speaker 2: Washington Post whatever, have ever just sort of worked in

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Speaker 2: a normal business. I'm not saying none of them, but

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Speaker 2: generally speaking, a lot of them go from college to

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Speaker 2: think tank, to journalism, back to journalism, back to They've

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Speaker 2: never actually worked in any private check capacity really other

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Speaker 2: than journalism, which you know, is kind of like it's

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Speaker 2: like the arts now just after Bezos.

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Speaker 4: Basically, what they're saying is, if you own a business

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Speaker 4: which the public can in any way decide that they

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Speaker 4: are going to spend their money on, right, you own

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Speaker 4: a consumer facing business, then you violate the molument's cause.

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Speaker 4: So if you, I mean, because you could make the

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Speaker 4: same argument, right if if instead of being involved in hotels,

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Speaker 4: if Trump will own Starbucks, you could argue, well, look

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Speaker 4: at all these different foreign nationals that go into Starbucks

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Speaker 4: don't know how many China probably has spent. I think

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Speaker 4: Starbucks has thousands of Chinese restaurants now, right, Chinese people

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Speaker 4: spend billions of dollars a year with Starbucks. With the

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Speaker 4: Starbucks CEO was named Howard Schultz. He grand for president

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Speaker 4: for a short period of time, right, or talked about

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Speaker 4: the fact that he might run for president. There are

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Speaker 4: lots of reasons you could or could not support him,

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Speaker 4: but the idea that he owned a business which foreign

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Speaker 2: Same thing Bloomberg.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that Mayor Bloomberg when he ran for president

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Speaker 4: as a Democrat. I am quite certain that there are

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Speaker 4: a lot of foreign business entities that subscribe to the

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Speaker 4: Bloomberg business services. I mean virtually everybody in investment does.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean in some way that Bloomberg doesn't have

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Speaker 4: independence of thought because he happens to own a multi

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Speaker 4: billion dollar business. It's basically just an attack on anyone

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Speaker 4: who doesn't work full time in the employment of a

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Speaker 4: political space. You know who pays Joe Biden every day?

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Speaker 4: US taxpayers, like I wish he made him living some

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Speaker 4: other way.

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Speaker 2: Imagine if the people writing this and lever. But this

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Speaker 2: attack was made in the past and it didn't work either.

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Speaker 2: They're just redirecting this. This goes to the sign I

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Speaker 2: think of, or is a sign of how desperate the

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Speaker 2: providing camp is that they're I mean, this is a

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Speaker 2: step away from Russia collusion. Trump stole the election in

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen with Russia. This is crazy. This didn't work.

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Speaker 2: It was it was nonsense, then it's nonsense now just

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Speaker 2: it's it's kind of funny. I mean, the leverage that

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Speaker 2: they pretend, you know, it's it's a it's a corporation

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Speaker 2: that had that is doing you know, two point four

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Speaker 2: billion dollars in revenue, and you're gonna walk up there

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Speaker 2: and be like, well, we've spent a lot of money

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Speaker 2: at the Trump hotel, so we expect special treatment in

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Speaker 2: US China foreign policy. You're kidding me, right, Like, there's

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Speaker 2: no crazy. Whereas if you're Hunter Biden and you can't

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Speaker 2: pay your bills, because let's be honest, you're in you're

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Speaker 2: a crackhead, and you're getting twenty million dollars from some

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Speaker 2: Chinese or Ukrainian businessman put in an LLC account for

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Speaker 2: you that, Yeah, you're gonna get Dad on the phone

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Speaker 2: and you're gonna try to urge an outcome like the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and even to use the dollar figure that they

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Speaker 2: Honestly, my biggest My biggest takeaway from this, and we

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Speaker 1: Inspiring you to seek out the truth the Clay Travis

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Speaker 4: Sexton Show, Welcome back in Buck Sexton, Clay Travis hanging

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Speaker 4: The fallout of this Jeffrey Epstein doc drop Buck. I

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Speaker 4: know you talked about it yesterday. I've been reading about

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Speaker 4: same thing I've said on this show before. It feels

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Speaker 4: like to me, Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligent source and

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Speaker 4: that he was bartering, maybe in some way using these

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Speaker 4: Maybe they're really brawny, incredibly good looking men who seduce

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Speaker 2: Just people having having an affairs wouldn't wouldn't work. Compromaunt

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Speaker 2: of people doing illegal sexual acts, that's even more valuable.

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Speaker 2: That's where you would have leverage, right, That's where somebody

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Speaker 2: question to you, though, is assuming that that Epstein was

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Speaker 4: Well, it's scarier if it's foreign, because then it would be.

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Speaker 4: And what we're talking about is if it's one thing,

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Speaker 2: Certainly the most expensive real estate you could find anywhere

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Speaker 2: in the world. This correct clay. He was worth six

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Speaker 4: That's that's what I've always That's why I've always thought

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Speaker 4: the whole thing was very suspicious.

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Speaker 2: Usually he lived in a seventy million dollar townhouse in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he owned an island in the US Virgin Islands,

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Speaker 2: It was you know what I mean? Yeah, there was

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Speaker 2: Clay and I still, you know, offline going back and

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Speaker 2: He's one of those. He's one of those, But neither

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Speaker 2: There's an Epstein conspiracy. I can't lie that. I think

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Speaker 2: there's no doubt there was an Epstein conspiracy. It's bigger

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Speaker 2: ultra rich pedophile. No, no, no, it's bigger than just him. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think that much is clear. He was able to

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Speaker 2: So we agree on this. And I told everybody yesterday

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Speaker 2: they came back and they were all gone, Clay, and

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Speaker 4: And even the death in the in the jail MC, yeah,

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Speaker 2: And if no one had been able to commit suicide

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Speaker 4: There's conspiracy here. It's awfully convenient. Anytime a video camera

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Speaker 4: I'm always very skeptical whenever somebody has security cameras set up,

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Speaker 4: Came out and talked about it. It doesn't matter how

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Speaker 4: Wait to sum it up? What percentage of the Epstein

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean big chunks left, big chunks left. But

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Speaker 4: Let's pretend that he was an agent in some way

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Speaker 2: It seems quite clear that.

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Speaker 4: engage in sex acts with an underage girl intentionally and

437
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Speaker 4: then can front them and say hey, or the agency

438
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Speaker 4: would Hey, we've got evidence that you slept with I

439
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Speaker 4: don't know, a sixteen year old girl, and if you

440
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Speaker 4: don't do X or Y, then you're in big trouble

441
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Speaker 4: associated with that. Is that the way you think this

442
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Speaker 4: would work? Roughly outlining it?

443
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Speaker 2: Yep, That's that's the way the blackmail scheme I think

444
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: was set up. Yeah.

445
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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's clear that Epstein was providing girls to

446
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 4: lots of different rich people. You don't think if they're

447
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 4: legal girls, you know, meaning they're over eighteen years old

448
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 4: or whatever. I think a lot of those guys would

449
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: be terrified if there was a sex tape of them

450
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Speaker 4: with anybody, whether it's a thirty eight year old or

451
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Speaker 4: a nineteen year old or a twenty year old, whatever

452
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 4: it is, but it then becomes criminal when you're going

453
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Speaker 4: under eighteen. And I mean that's a pretty serious that's

454
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Speaker 4: a strict liability crime.

455
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Speaker 2: Because of age of consent.

456
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Speaker 4: Well, it's depending and this is a mess, but every

457
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 4: state has a different age of consent law, so you

458
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Speaker 4: can do something legally in you know, Alabama, that you

459
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Speaker 4: can't do for instance, in I don't know, California potentially.

460
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Speaker 2: Well, well, this is why the the focus on it

461
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 2: generally is on the trafficking component, right where where you

462
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Speaker 2: are moving for illicit acts and also payment underage women

463
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Speaker 2: across state or international lines. You know, it's it's kind

464
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,439
Speaker 2: of like a like a sex crime. You know, it's

465
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Speaker 2: a conspiracy or a an ongoing criminal enterprise where this

466
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Speaker 2: is where he had the private jets where he's constantly

467
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Speaker 2: flying people all over. This is where the the trafficking

468
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 2: component is. Why that's what you mostly read about, because

469
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Speaker 2: you know, he's trafficking these women using coercion pressure, some

470
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Speaker 2: of them are underage, They're being paid, they're being moved

471
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Speaker 2: across state lines. I mean, this is just this is

472
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Speaker 2: like felony on top of felony on top of melity, right,

473
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Speaker 2: there's just all these different crimes that come all that

474
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Speaker 2: come together. But yeah, I think the if you're asking

475
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Speaker 2: what the what the conspiracy is, or rather what the

476
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Speaker 2: conspiracy would be, how would it be constructed? Yeah, this

477
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: is it. And and you know, he he wants to

478
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Speaker 2: he wants to spend time with all these I mean

479
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: think about this generally speaking, if you were doing illegal

480
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Speaker 2: stuff in the sexual realm with with with uh, you know,

481
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Speaker 2: underaged girls, you wouldn't want to attract a lot of

482
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Speaker 2: attention to yourself, right, Yeah, you know what I mean.

483
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Speaker 2: And the Epstein one of the highest profile people. All

484
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Speaker 2: it would take is one call from some of these

485
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Speaker 2: These are the kind of people who have the Attorney

486
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Speaker 2: General cell phone number on their phone. You know what

487
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: I mean, All it would take is one person to say, guys,

488
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Speaker 2: I think something really sketchy is going on with this guy.

489
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Speaker 2: And yet he's specifically seeking out people with tremendous access

490
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Speaker 2: and tremendous power and so he could flip them, so

491
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Speaker 2: he could compromise them. It's the only Now what is

492
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Speaker 2: also you know, a component of the discussion here is

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Speaker 2: a lot of Look, there are people that were named

494
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Speaker 2: that I mentioned that when they say named, and you know,

495
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot of clickbait out there. Cameron Diaz was

496
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Speaker 2: named because her name was in something that someone said

497
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 2: that in the civil suit. Had nothing to do with anything. Right.

498
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Speaker 2: To be clear, Cameron has never met Epstein, had nothing

499
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: to do with Epstein. She's just an actress. But someone

500
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: somehow her name came up over the course of the

501
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: deposition of the civil trial or you know, or of

502
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Speaker 2: the civil trial testimony. There are also people that I think,

503
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Speaker 2: are you know, going to be named or have been

504
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Speaker 2: named who didn't do anything illegal sexually, and I think

505
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Speaker 2: there are people who did. And you know, these are

506
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Speaker 2: very these are a very difficult thing because you know,

507
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Speaker 2: you you would want justice for those who were or

508
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 2: you know, justice and in terms of people who were

509
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 2: breaking the law on a part of this, you know,

510
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 2: and actively involved in the illicit stuff Epstein was doing.

511
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Speaker 2: But there were people I think who probably did just

512
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Speaker 2: not really know and had lunch with the guy. And

513
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: you have to separate that out. So the bad guys

514
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 2: get to hide in a sense by saying, oh, there's

515
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty names on the list or whatever

516
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: it is, and I'm just another guy who had lunch

517
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Speaker 2: with them. I had no idea. Right, we've already seen

518
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: some of that. So there's a lot of layers, a

519
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 2: lot of sifting. But in terms of the overall conspiracy,

520
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: I think we've just scratched the surface. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And I also come back to his wealth. I mean

522
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Speaker 4: we're talking about insane amounts.

523
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Speaker 2: Of crazy rich. He was crazy rich. I mean he

524
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: only there's only like a I think there's less than

525
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 2: two thousand billionaires in the world. Yeah, and you know,

526
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Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't a billionaire quite. But first of all,

527
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 2: I think he probably had other offshore bank accounts that

528
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 2: have not been found. I believe that. I think he

529
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: had access to even more money than we know about,

530
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: and they know about six hundred million dollars. Yeah, that's

531
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Speaker 2: a lot of money. Yeah.

532
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Speaker 4: And so for him to have gotten that amount of

533
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 4: wealth off of not really ever building anything new, most people,

534
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 4: if you're not going to inherit it, most people have

535
00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 4: to create something new in order to make that kind

536
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: of wealth. And to my knowledge, other than money management,

537
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 4: he's never really done anything where he never founded a company,

538
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: He never invested in a variety of companies, not that

539
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: I've seen.

540
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Speaker 2: Also, no no really rich guy or gal. Although you

541
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: noticed all the money that he was getting was from

542
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: you know, it was from guys, not a surprise, but no,

543
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: really rich guy is going to give their money to

544
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: this like shady, weird character. You know, forget whether they

545
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 2: knew about the you know that he's a he's a

546
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: sex offender. Yeah right, what did you know? Because we

547
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: got to talk about, well was this before he was prosecuted?

548
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: Is that after he's prosecuted, there's a lot of you

549
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 2: don't just give your money to be managed by some

550
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: random guy, Like that's just the thing. Really, you know, no,

551
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: no person of sophistication, and the financial realm is like,

552
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: I'm just going to give money to this guy with

553
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: no reputation that no one on Wall Street's ever heard

554
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: of before.

555
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Speaker 4: I think his reputation was he got in somehow with

556
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: the founder of Victoria's Secret and they had some sort

557
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: of significant relationship.

558
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: And if you are.

559
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: A guy and you get known among other rich guys

560
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 4: as oh, he can get you introduced to any victorious

561
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: Secret model, I think there are a lot of rich

562
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: guys out there that are like, oh, I wouldn't mind

563
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 4: knowing that guy, right, So I think he used these beguiling,

564
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: incredibly attractive women through some famous channels, and some of

565
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 4: them very legal, right, Like, he does seem to have

566
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 4: had a very significant relationship with the victorious secret Founder,

567
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 4: which gave him entree to all those models and then

568
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Speaker 4: also to have been engaged in shady.

569
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Speaker 2: Sort of.

570
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Speaker 4: I don't even know what the phrase is, like grooming

571
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Speaker 4: of like fifteen and sixteen year old girls to basically

572
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Speaker 4: become sex slaves, I mean, based on some of the reading,

573
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Speaker 4: and then did he use those girls even to create

574
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Speaker 4: compromising He was initially prosecuted for paying a I believe

575
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Speaker 4: a fourteen year old girl for sex ax with him.

576
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was what And he got a slap

577
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: on the wrist for that, right, I mean a very

578
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: underage girl and was in Florida, and he pleaded guilty

579
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: to to like soliciting an underage prostitute.

580
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And he used this this woman that was a

581
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: good friend of his basically to be the recruiter to

582
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: go find attractive young girls and bring them into their landscape.

583
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Speaker 4: But also again that relationship with Victoria's Secret Founder, I

584
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 4: think he also had entree into attractive women that were

585
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: legitimate and I think he used that as bait to

586
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: try to get attention from all. But again, and you

587
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 4: don't become one hundreds of millionaire guy typically without creating

588
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Speaker 4: something new.

589
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Speaker 2: And they spent a lot of time on his private planes,

590
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Speaker 2: just gonna say that, a lot of times, a lot

591
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: of rides, a lot of rides on private jets. Do

592
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Speaker 2: you have any friend that's given you, like twenty or

593
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: thirty rides on private jets you don't know? Really really?

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Speaker 4: Well, no, Yeah, it's weird, isn't it. That Bill Clinton

595
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: thing a little strength well in the Vanity Fair story too,

596
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: we should mention that, I mean that Clinton. They not

597
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: cover Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, Bill Clinton.

598
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Speaker 2: Who was also accused on the record by I believe

599
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Speaker 2: it was Jennifer Flowers. Weanita Broaderick of rape Jennifer Flowers. Sorry,

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601
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Speaker 2: was he was accused I know, by a woman of

602
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Speaker 4: I think it was Wanita Broaderick. Maybe Jennifer Flowers too.

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Speaker 4: I just remember Jennifer spelled her name with a G.

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Speaker 4: How do you think Trump v. Haley would play out

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Speaker 5: Well, let me say this. I'm born and raised in

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Speaker 5: South Carolina, and Nikki was a okay governor, but she

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Speaker 5: promised us from the debt go that she would never

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Speaker 5: take the Confederate flag off the state health Then she

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Speaker 5: started getting into politics more and when it came to

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Speaker 5: her advantage, she took the flag down. She lied to

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Speaker 5: South Carolina and not going to get into the controversy

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Speaker 5: of the Confederate flag, but in the South it was

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Speaker 5: a reverend flag. So that was her first life. Then secondly,

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Speaker 5: when she left office, she promised South Carolina that Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump ran for president, she would never run against him.

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Speaker 5: Lie number two. So she has lied to South Carolinians

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Speaker 5: and America needs to know this. I'm afraid she would

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Speaker 5: lie to America. There's no way she's going to beat

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump in South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for the call, Amy Jamie from Somerville, South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: How do you think this would break down if it

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Speaker 4: ended up Hayley v. Trump in your home state.

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Speaker 3: Well from the birthplace of Sweet Tea, the view on

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Speaker 3: the ground here is that it's about sixty five thirty

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Speaker 3: five Trump. I'd have to support the previous lady who called.

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Speaker 3: But I will say this, the delineation between people and

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Speaker 3: their opinions on this vote is somewhat pitched. I've seen

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Speaker 3: it get into family conversations over the holidays and things

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Speaker 3: got a little hot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thank you for in his primary for a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Briggs in Asheville, North Carolina, the favorite of

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Speaker 2: the Blue Ridge Mountains. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I live in Ashville, but born and raised in Greenville,

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Speaker 6: South Carolina. And I'll just say that, you know, I

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Speaker 6: like Nikki Hailey, but you got to remember in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 6: the first time Trump ran, Nicky Hailey endorsed Mark Rubio

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Speaker 6: and riber didn't even come close to beating Trump in

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Speaker 6: South Carolina and then ended up leading to them again

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Speaker 6: in Florida. And so you know, I think it's only

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Speaker 6: even a conversation if it's one v one Hailey versus Trump,

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Speaker 6: because you know, I've thought my parents, thought, my father

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Speaker 6: in law, like, they'd all be voting for Ron de

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Speaker 6: Fantis right now or Nikki Haley. Yeah, so those are

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Speaker 6: my quick thoughts.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate cal. I think DeSantis could beat Buck Trump

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Speaker 4: one v one. I don't know that he would. I

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Speaker 4: think he could. I just I don't buy into the

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Speaker 4: Nicky Haley hype. I think she can win New Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: She may well.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she wins the South. The Nicki Haley

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Speaker 2: fans in this audience are saying, you know who the

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Speaker 2: polls say beats Biden by the most in the swing states. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Nikki Haley just saying