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Speaker 1: and a lot of breaking news that hit the fans

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Speaker 1: since well, I guess Friday, but we are technically the

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Speaker 1: gonna break down an entire coaching search, a coach firing,

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Speaker 1: So buckle up, ladies and gentlemen and come along for

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's alongside heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and Isaiah

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Speaker 1: stand back and gentlemen, let's jump right into this. Mike Nolan.

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Speaker 1: As of Friday afternoon, it was officially reported and released

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Speaker 1: on that list, and really twelve months almost to the

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Speaker 1: day that we were hiring Mike McCarthy last year, you

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Speaker 1: turn around and you fire a defensive coordinator. Initially, Mike

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Speaker 1: Nolan wasn't in Dallas long enough to the fact that

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Speaker 1: if you go in you google Cowboys defensive coordinator, the

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Speaker 1: first pictures that pop up are Rod Marinelli and Chris

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Speaker 1: if you go in google Cowboys defensive coordinator. But Rob

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Speaker 1: kind of tell us how this went down and what

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Speaker 1: your thoughts of the move are for Cowboys Nation. It

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Speaker 1: was a move that wasn't necessarily surprising. No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Kyle and I know we've had our discussion on the

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Speaker 1: show the last you know, a couple of weeks, like

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Speaker 1: what were the chances that he could be back if

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Speaker 1: they continued on an upward trend defensively, and obviously the

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Speaker 1: takeaways went up the last four games of the season.

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Speaker 1: I believe they had twelve takeaways, which more than double

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Speaker 1: what they had or close to it early in the season,

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Speaker 1: but they just didn't see enough improvement overall. And you know,

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Speaker 1: after that Ravens game, I think it was pretty clear

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Speaker 1: And while there was improvement down the stretch, the Giants

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Speaker 1: game in the finale last week really was kind of

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Speaker 1: another step backward in terms of yards given up, points

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Speaker 1: of that, they still gave up an average of three

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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety five yards in those four games where

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Speaker 1: that's actually more. That's actually more per game than they'd

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Speaker 1: average for the season. That was three eighty six. Now,

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Speaker 1: the two word it is you put it at love.

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Speaker 1: I love that. But you know, all of those things,

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Speaker 1: Then obviously if the scheme was not getting across as

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Speaker 1: obviously that might be underlying factors as to why these

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Speaker 1: decisions got made. Rob you already hit on it in

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Speaker 1: the fact that turnovers, Yes, turnovers helped you in terms

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Speaker 1: That's what was consistent, that's what never went down, and

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Speaker 1: said do defensive coordinators create turnovers? Or do personnel create turnovers? Right?

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Speaker 1: And the other factor there is your offense played better

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Speaker 1: defense gave up the most points and second and most yards.

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Speaker 1: too well that that that you know, you don't want

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Speaker 1: things in this situation. But something had to give. And

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Speaker 1: for the historic numbers that this defense put up, there

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Speaker 1: was no way they were gonna bring him back. And

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Speaker 1: it didn't matter aside from making a playoff run that

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Speaker 1: I mean, they had to make a significant playoff run

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Speaker 1: for him to keep his job. But but yeah, the

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Speaker 1: possibly could be the same situation by the time we

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Speaker 1: hate to break Brandon. He referenced that last week that

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into that soon, Kyle. Yeah, And I

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans. As we head into our second segment here

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Speaker 1: Monday morning. But of course we're talking about the defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator and Mike Nolan out after one year as the

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. And there's already been

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Speaker 1: reports and quickly moving processes whenever you talk about hiring

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Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator, and that's kind of what it

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Speaker 1: needs to be. Whenever the Dallas Cowboys fire a defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: you'd need to hire one pretty quick. Well, I've got

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Speaker 1: seven names that could potentially be the next defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: as of the Dallas Cowboys. Now, there have been two

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Speaker 1: that have been really rumored around interviews and one that

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Speaker 1: is apparently flying in rob and that's Dan Quinn. Tell

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Speaker 1: me about what the latest updates are around Dan Quinn,

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Speaker 1: the former head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, and what

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Speaker 1: is the potential with him coming in. I want to

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Speaker 1: hear these o their six names. Yeah, okay, you want first, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I want the sixth first. Okay, So I'll go down

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Speaker 1: the list. Dan Quinn is number one, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's the most likely option. Number two on that list,

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Speaker 1: it's George Edwards, number three, Matt Patricia, number four, Joe Barry,

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Speaker 1: Gus Bradley is my fifth name. Winston Moss is the

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Speaker 1: sixth name. Actually I miscounted. I only have six names,

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Speaker 1: so I thought I had seven, but I have six.

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Speaker 1: So that's disappointed. How about this, I'll throw Isaiah stand

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Speaker 1: back in there. That's it'll be the seventh name. You're welcome, everybody.

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Speaker 1: So seven names to replace Mike Nolan as as defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: So dan Quinn, George Edwards, Matt Patricia, Joe Berry, Winston Moss,

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Speaker 1: and Gus Bradley. And if it's none of those names,

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Speaker 1: I will I'll, I don't know, I'll don't do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make another bet. I don't. I've already

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Speaker 1: gotten in trouble. Run to the Star. Well, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna run to the Star and back. It's not gonna

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Speaker 1: happen if something else happens there. But tell me about

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Speaker 1: dan Quinn, Rod Phillips. Well, there's two names that you

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Speaker 1: didn't have on your list that the Cowboys have actually

577
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Speaker 1: talked to you already, and that's Joe Witt Junior and

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Speaker 1: Jason that was the other name that I forgot to

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Speaker 1: rote right down, both of them Green Bay, both of

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Speaker 1: whom worked with Mike McCarthy's on his staff in Green Bay.

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Speaker 1: They are currently the passing game coordinators slash secondary coaches.

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Speaker 1: Joe Witt in Atlanta, Jason Simmons in Carolina. So obviously

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Speaker 1: there's familiarity there that's always important. But with dan Quinn

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Speaker 1: flying in according to reports, I mean, that's that's a

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Speaker 1: pretty good sign. There's there's good interest on both sides,

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Speaker 1: and so um, whether that gets done, we'll see. But

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Speaker 1: at this point I would have to assume he's the

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Speaker 1: leading candidate, and based on resume, he probably should be,

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Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I mean a former head coach. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, Mike McCarthy's, there's a pattern there, whether

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Speaker 1: it's intentional or not. He has hired former head coaches

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Speaker 1: Caper's for many years in Green Bay. It was Mike

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Speaker 1: Nolan last year. Yeah, and I've seen him on list too,

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Speaker 1: just kind of guessing who he might go to here.

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Speaker 1: But Quinn, I mean, his resume speaks for herself. Guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's been two Super Bowl as a head coach,

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Speaker 1: He's been a two Super Bowls as a defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: and arguably was the defensive coordinator for one of the

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Speaker 1: top I don't know Isaiah three four defenses that we've

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Speaker 1: ever seen with the LEAs ever. Yeah, ever, Yeah, Now,

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Speaker 1: Dave Qui is a good dude. Man, He's a good dude.

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Speaker 1: Gus Bradley, obviously, I have favoritism towards both of those

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Speaker 1: at any given point in time. Gus Bradley was actually

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Speaker 1: my head coach when I was down with jaw Jacksonville.

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Speaker 1: He was a defensive coordinator when I was with Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Both of those guys are a great, high energy individuals.

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Speaker 1: They're all about positive energy. They're all about competition. There

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Speaker 1: is no favoritism at all. You earn your key every day.

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Speaker 1: They're going to bring more fire than you bring to

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Speaker 1: the job. It's a it's a positive work environment. And

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Speaker 1: they're both just awesome and they're both creative. They're both

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Speaker 1: very created there that they adapt very well. It's not

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Speaker 1: like they're stuck in their ways. They learn on the goal,

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Speaker 1: They adapt on a goal, They adjusted their personnel. One

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Speaker 1: thing that they both do really well is they put

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Speaker 1: their guys in position to be successful. Guess what if

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Speaker 1: But guess what you can get to the quarterback? Guess

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Speaker 1: We don't care what the stats said, what it says

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Speaker 1: As long as you could do your job and do

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Speaker 1: everybody else do their job well, then guess what, I

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Speaker 1: what both of those guys bring. And I'll be excited

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Speaker 1: if either one of those guys are coming in. You know,

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Speaker 1: I really, I really don't have a problem with if

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Speaker 1: the potential of a dan Quinn higher It's just you know,

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Speaker 1: when I look at his coaching history twenty thirteen with

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Speaker 1: hard to come to work upset when you got that

642
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: many goons in your meeting room. Right. So, and also

643
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: going back to him as a head coach, I think

644
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: just the wills fell off of his of the team

645
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: once they lost the Super Bowl to Tom Brady and

646
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the fashion that they did, so let's talk about it, right. Also,

647
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: the numbers in the Atlanta they're passing defense is worse

648
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: than hours, So okay, I mean, look, I think that's cool.

649
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: Like I understand hiring head coaches and all of that,

650
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: but you know, I think that this team, I think

651
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: that when you look at coaching in general, going with

652
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: these names is all right, But this defense needs a

653
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: shot in the arm. We need someone to come in

654
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 1: here with that energy, youthful energy to get these guys

655
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: up for it. And dan Quinn may be a master

656
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: at hitting guys in position to do what they do best.

657
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: But what if you inherit a bunch of guys are

658
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: that twenty five percent of them just can't play? All right?

659
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: So let's just come on. I just like, I don't

660
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: want to be the Debbie downer in this whole conversation,

661
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: but I just believe. I just believe that right now,

662
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: if you're talking about a Jason Simmons, a guy that

663
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 1: right now is a secondary coach, the guy that is

664
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: a name that is rising aunch amongst future defensive coordinators.

665
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: You have guys like Rahey Morris that's out there. And

666
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: also on staff, you have George Edwards, a guy that

667
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: is known that has that same kind of pedigree that

668
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: you're flying guys in for. And let's just throw a

669
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: wild card name out here. Guy by the name was

670
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: Scott McCurley. He's your linebacker coach. He's a guy that

671
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: comes from the Don Caper's defensive school of thought. He

672
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: is a guy that Don Capers, if you don't know,

673
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: aggressive three four caller, Like, there are people out there,

674
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: there are names out there beside those household names that

675
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: we just want to go to to just say that

676
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: these guys are gonna be the next up. That's it.

677
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: You want, you want a young guy, you want Kelly.

678
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Do you want the two coordinators to combine have Mike

679
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: Nolan's age potentially? You know? And I do. And I

680
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: think if you if you look at the Stefanskis, if

681
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: you look at the Stefanskis of the world, the Los

682
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: Angeles head coach, those young guys, they get an opportunity

683
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: to inject their imprint on their team. At some point,

684
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: we just can't go through this whole Oh you got

685
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: a name, so you could come in and be a coach. No, man,

686
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: let's let's try something different here. And maybe that try

687
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: something different isn't the mantra for a lot of these coaches.

688
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: But at some point, Scott McCurley has to get an

689
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: opportunity to be a defensive coordination. He's put the he's

690
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: put the work in. Hey, heck, that's interesting because just

691
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: on my list, it's my list. But I Marvin Lewis

692
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: was a guy that I'm thinking, man, you know, great resume,

693
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: interviewed for the head coaching job a year ago. I

694
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: think he's getting some head coaching interests though from Detroit.

695
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: But I mean, he's obviously a really, really good coach,

696
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: and you mentioned you mentioned George Edwards, and it's my

697
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: understanding that Mike McCarthy has planned to talk to him

698
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: as well, and he's on Kyle's list, and maybe he

699
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: already did you know, maybe maybe they already had an

700
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 1: in house discussion. So and he's you know, he comes

701
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: from a Mike Zimmer program, and we obviously think a

702
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: lot of Mike Zimmer. So that's that's another good name too. Now, heck,

703
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: you bring up a good point. And I'm glad you

704
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: kind of played Devil's Devil's advocate here because I like

705
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: the dan Quinn signing. I mean, there's there's part of

706
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: me that that thinks he could I mean, you said

707
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: he's flying in he could jump out of the back

708
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: of the plane like you're in call of duty war zone,

709
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: dropping in really hot going straight into superstore. But there's

710
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: another part of me that is a little bit of

711
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: a tap the brakes sort of guy, because I think

712
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: there's there's whenever you look at his time in Atlanta specifically,

713
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: what were the Falcons known for. They were known for offense.

714
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: They were known for Julio Jones and Matt Ryan and

715
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: the running backs, and they had a lot of success

716
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: on offense, but it wasn't their defense that was really

717
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: the identity. And that's what kind of scares me a

718
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: little bit. Is he inherited the Seattle defense, then he

719
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: goes to Atlanta and those defenses weren't anything to write

720
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: home about. Does that scare you at the same level

721
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: that it scares me as because I think dan Quinn

722
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: would be a great hire, but there is still kind

723
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: of that that uncertainty that we might have had about

724
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: let's say, Mike Nolan a year ago. I'm right there,

725
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm saying. If you have Xavier was

726
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: as a far cry from Earl Thomas. So it's all

727
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: good when you get players like that. But the evaluation

728
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: for dan Quinn, if he is the defensive coordinator, is

729
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: going to start immediately. And not only that he's gonna happen,

730
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a blood letting on some of these

731
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: positions because he's gonna recognize that this guy just can't

732
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: get it done. Don't matter if the two gap, one gap,

733
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: couple of four, couple of three can't get it done.

734
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's where my for me, Like I said,

735
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: I just want a defensive coordinator that can get these

736
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: guys attention, get the personnel that he needs to be successful,

737
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: because right now we just don't have it. That's that's it, man, Isaiah. Yeah,

738
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: I mean I hear you heck, and I respect I

739
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: respect your point of view. Um, Like I said, I

740
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: can only speak to those two individuals that I've better. No. No,

741
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 1: I just sounds like I'm just setting up just so

742
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: like I really do everything, I do a great job.

743
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: But I'm digesting everything that you're saying. Heck, and and

744
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,479
Speaker 1: everything that you're saying is exact reasons why I would

745
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: go with August Bradley or a dan Quinn simply because

746
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: I like, like I said, I personally experienced the energy.

747
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I personally experienced the confidence that they instilled into young players,

748
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: how they build up guys from the ground up. And yes,

749
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: he may have been hearing in some some talent, of course,

750
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: but those guys didn't walk in just amazing. Not all

751
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: those guys didn't just walking amazing. I saw some of

752
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: those guys world from when they first walked in the

753
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: door to the time that he built up their confidence. Right,

754
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: he was the first one getting up. They're giving him

755
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: a chess bump on the sideline in practice, right while

756
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: the DJ's playing music at practice. You know what I'm saying,

757
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: Building those guys confidence up, working on their communications game. Absolutely,

758
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 1: both of those guys bring the energy. Gus Bradley has

759
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: energy out the wazoo. I don't know where he gets

760
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: it from, right, But both of those guys, like I said,

761
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: I have seen it and I and I know what

762
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: they do, and I know what they do with young secondaries, right,

763
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: especially younger secondaries. But then they also see how they

764
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: have fun just in practice and how they create this culture.

765
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: We talked about the lack of culture that are that

766
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: are that our entire organization has. Right now, both of

767
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: those guys bring a culture. And then you talk about,

768
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: you know, those guys's lack of lack of success on

769
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: defense in Atlanta. Well, to my knowledge, Raheem Morris was

770
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: calling the place last year in Atlanta, right, So it's

771
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: kind of like it's kind of like us, you know,

772
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: indicting you know, Coach McCarthy with with our offensive woes

773
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: when there's really Kelling Moore calling the place right. So

774
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: we have to look at that that you know, from

775
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: from that, from that glass for a side of things

776
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: as well. But you don't like coach McCarthy off the

777
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: hook for what's going on either, No, no, not absolutely right, No, No,

778
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: they head coach less stuff comes through or they don't

779
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: allow things to come through. But they obviously in both situations,

780
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: they weren't making the calls, right, they weren't making the calls.

781
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: So that's all I'm saying, looking at it from from

782
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: that standpoint. And Isaiah, you were there with him, correct

783
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. Oh, nine, in Seattle, I wasn't there. Yeah,

784
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: well no, I came in two nineteen years a year. Yeah,

785
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: and that was I mean, that was before they were

786
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: the legion of boom. Really absolutely, you know, that's when

787
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: they those guys first came in. I mean, I hear

788
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: you guys, Kyle and Heck, I mean, I you gotta

789
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: have players, you have. I mean, it's a players league,

790
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: there's no question about it. Um. But I do think

791
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: I do think he's probably willing to adapt his scheme

792
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: to what he has on the field, because you know,

793
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: in Seattle they were kind of just a four three defense.

794
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: They played it up pretty straight up because they had

795
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: the talent too, you know, where they didn't have to

796
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: do a lot of crazy. They did more of that

797
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: in Atlanta because they didn't have Earl Thomas and Chancellor

798
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: and Bruce arv and Michael Bennet and all the guys

799
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: you mentioned. So I would imagine he'd be more adaptable.

800
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: I just think from a resume standpoint, he's as good

801
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: if anybody that's out there, you know, well, he's the

802
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: one with super Bowl pedigree on those on the resumes.

803
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: I mean you look at even Gus Edwards, he doesn't

804
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: have super Bowl pedigree. He played, he was with the

805
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: Bills for a little bit, then he was with the Vikings,

806
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: he was with Washington before all of that never even

807
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: got close or really even sniffed the super Bowl pedigree

808
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: that Dan Quinn has brought to the table in terms

809
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: of his resume. So, I mean there's there's positives and

810
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: negatives for any candidate out there. You just got to

811
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 1: figure out which one's out way which, And I think

812
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: that's what the front office is doing right now. Now.

813
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: Rob kind of clarify this for me. I know, last

814
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: year Mike McCarthy had a ton of say as to

815
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: who his staff was going to be it was a

816
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: McCarthy made staff. Is it the same this year or

817
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: is there going to be a little bit more input

818
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: maybe from the front office, a little more oversight after

819
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: what happened a year ago. Um, I think it's yeah.

820
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's gonna be a probably collective

821
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: decision here, but I think I think ultimately the Joneses

822
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: are still going to let Mike McCarthy make a decision

823
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: on ultimately who he thinks the best candidates for his staff.

824
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: I really, I really believe that. I think, Um, why

825
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: do you guys laugh? What do go? Are you guys

826
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: saying that that Nolan was too much of a like

827
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: a buddy hire? Is that? I'm all I have is

828
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: dig my tail in my head right now. It is

829
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: not so fast, my friend. That's that's that's lead Corso.

830
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't. I don't think that they're gonna

831
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: give him the full full control like they did this

832
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: past officeason. I think they really wanted to respect him

833
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: as a veteran, you know, established of you know coach

834
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: in this league, head coach and you know, super Bowl

835
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: winning coach. I think that they wanted to give him

836
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: that right Hey, let's you know where did joneses. We're

837
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna step back and let you do you. There, we

838
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: don't tip we do this, but we're gonna let you

839
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: do you. And now they're like, oh, whold on that. No,

840
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: listen now, now they're not gonna pull a full Houston

841
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: Texans in and just disregard him like they disregarded Deshaun Way.

842
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: That's what that's. Yeah, they're not gonna They're not gonna

843
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: do that. But I think that they are gonna go

844
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: with the people with the guys that they feel are

845
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: the strongest candidates and then come to coach and be like, so,

846
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: what do you think The reason why I hesitated there

847
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: is because I think over the weekend because the reports

848
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: were Jason Simmons and Joe widd who had been with

849
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: him in Green Bay. It's like, Mike, don't just hire

850
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: who you worked with in the past. Well, I mean

851
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: number one, that's not really accurate. I mean, look, and

852
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: sometimes it works out great. Joe Philbin was a trusted

853
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: assistant for Mike McCarthy and Green Bay for years, and

854
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: he was probably the best assistant coach they had last

855
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: year in terms of the job he did arguably and

856
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 1: he is. And look he he came in here. Let

857
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore continue to call plays he hired eyes outside

858
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: of his tree on other positions on the staff, John

859
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: fossil Um, others. So you know, I cap the brakes

860
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: on that. That's all he does, is I guess what

861
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying here. Yeah, I wanted to cast the water

862
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: net I want, That's what I want. I wanted to

863
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 1: look at some guys. There are some up and coming

864
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: coaches that can be looked at as well, but we

865
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: don't know the whole involvement on whether the Jones, you know,

866
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: the Jones family is vetoing every guy that he brings

867
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: in and if he has to get a larger list

868
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: of guys, so whichever it is, at this point, we

869
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 1: have to get a defensive coordinator in here pretty fast

870
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: because this is the musical chair time in the NFL anyway,

871
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: everybody's interviewing for positions, head coaching jobs, etc. And you know,

872
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: just going back to this, you know the coaching tree.

873
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, I look at the coaching tree of like

874
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: Bill Parcels and all the guys that Sean pay and Belichick,

875
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: all of the coaches that and I think everyone's trying

876
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: to emulate or get in the line of certain coaching trees,

877
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: but it doesn't always work. It doesn't always work. And

878
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: the defensive coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys, it's going, we

879
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: want to play an aggressive style of defense. We have

880
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: the personal the guys up front, our edge rushers, gossip

881
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 1: to come after them. We can't sit back and put

882
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: our one technique in pass coverage, you know. We gotta

883
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: get down with this thing and make it look and

884
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: have something that's that looks something like a defense. Last

885
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: year twenty twenty, just throw all of that away. It

886
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: didn't matter the last four games, the turnovers, none of

887
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: it because it was garbage, the yardage, the rushing. I mean,

888
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: it turned into a track meet. It was a track meet. Okay,

889
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,919
Speaker 1: So your buddies aren't helping you. And if you want

890
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: to save your job, if you if this is what

891
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: you're in it for, to win a championship, you're gonna

892
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: have to get somebody in here that that can coach

893
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 1: this up. Because it ain't happen. I'll tell you right now,

894
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: say hey, I can tell you right now. If I

895
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: had Gilbert Brown as my one technique, I'm dropping him

896
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: off in coverage. I'm just saying I'm dropping him off

897
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: and coverage all three hundred eighty pounds, not Gilbert Brown. Please,

898
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: anybody interested in Chris Rashard here? And I was just

899
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: thinking that, I was just thinking that Chard. Yeah, he

900
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: took a year off, obviously, I think you throw his

901
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: name in the hat. But again he comes from that,

902
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: from that Seahawks tree, right, I mean that'll be three

903
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: three guys from the Seahawks from Pete Carroll's lineage now,

904
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: so it's just Pete Carroll. It's just pretty much Pete

905
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: Carroll's go get under the new Bellichick. Is that what

906
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 1: it is? No? Shoot, I know, I know, trust me,

907
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore man after last week. But no,

908
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: I mean you have to look at everybody into Heck's point.

909
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: If I if you're if you're mister Jones, Heck and

910
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 1: I hear you, I hear you want a young buck,

911
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: you want to spring chicken that that nobody really knows

912
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: about it up and coming right and s. But if

913
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: you're miss, if you're mister Jones right now, can you

914
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: afford to do that swinging? Miss can't do that? Where

915
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: I am too, You're missing but but but you can't

916
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: miss this time. You can't. Can't. You can't miss on

917
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: a guy that's unproven. It's one thing to miss on

918
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: somebody who who's I'm just saying. I'm not I'm not

919
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: disagreeing with you, but I'm saying it's one thing to

920
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: swing and miss on somebody who's proven in this league

921
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: versus somebody swinging to missing on somebody that you were

922
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: hopeful for has two different swinging misses too, totally, because

923
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: you could just you could justify one. This guy's been

924
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: a head coach, this guy's won a super Bowl. You

925
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,359
Speaker 1: just that's the reason why you brought this head coach in, right,

926
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: Or you can go with the Hey, this guy was

927
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 1: assistant to such and such assistant and he's up and coming,

928
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: he has great energy, guys who are talking positive about

929
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 1: him in the organization. Let's go with him. You can't there,

930
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: that's not enough to lean on. That's all I'm saying.

931
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that those guys aren't worthy. I'm just saying,

932
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: if you're mister Jones, you can't afford to swing and

933
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: miss on somebody who's unproven. Now, one difference would be

934
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: one difference would be hecked to your point. To your

935
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: point is Joe Witt and Jason Simmons. Mike McCarthy has

936
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: seen him work. He knows them very very well. So

937
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: there's a difference there than maybe hiring a guy who's,

938
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, thirty years old, who you never worked with

939
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: but becomes highly recommended or whatever. How does things ever change?

940
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's ingenuity. You have to find a

941
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: better way to do things. And Sean McVay, Sean McVay

942
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, he wasn't a household name, but he

943
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: is now and someone took someone took an opportunity on him.

944
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: And so when do we do that? Because I tell

945
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: you what, I don't understand these guys that feel their

946
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: way to success like Dan you know, the Dan Quinns

947
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: of the world. I mean, you you just got fired, bro,

948
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: your your your defense was last in passing. And I

949
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: know we put this on Rohey Morris, but he's at

950
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: the helm of all of that. So you're supposed to

951
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: be the defensive guru, right. So I'm just saying, sometimes

952
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: times you have to look outside of the box and

953
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: maybe that's the thing that changes or changes the trajectory

954
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: of your success as an organization. That's all I agree.

955
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: And Sean McVay is an extreme case. I don't know

956
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: if you can compare any young head coach or any

957
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: young young coach period to a Sean mcvagh because that

958
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: was a special case, something that worked out perfectly. And

959
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: right now I'm past the point, and maybe this is

960
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: because of Kellen Moore, but I'm past the point being

961
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys and having one of your three most

962
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: important positions on your coaching staff learning on the job.

963
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: That's what I'm scared of. I'm scared of having another

964
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: learning on the job moment and I get wanting to

965
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: change things up. I really do, and maybe you have to,

966
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: and that's where maybe your position coaches and your special

967
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: analysts and things like that come in. But I think

968
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: if you're gonna swing at a defensive coordinator, you need

969
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: to swing at someone with pedigree. Maybe that's Dan Quinn,

970
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: maybe that's somebody else on my way. I'm not saying

971
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: the game about more points than any coach kid sixty

972
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: years Mike, no one talking about this. Petty didn't even

973
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: have a beat in your hand. Mike Nolan didn't have

974
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: a good resume, or nearly as good of a resume

975
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: as a Dan Quinn did not nearly. Hey, heck, what

976
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: would you heck? But what would be your sentiments if

977
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: they just said, Sean Lee is a defensive coordinator in Dallas. Cowboy,

978
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's not what I'm talking about. Isaiah, Okay,

979
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm doing. Only thirty four. You know

980
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: who he is. You know, you know smarty is you

981
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: know this guy's best you that's not Oh I love it.

982
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: I love it. Heck was so flustered, and that's when

983
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: I did. That's what I have the best spot on

984
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: this show. All Right, we're gonna step aside. When we

985
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: come back. We're gonna talk about one of the best

986
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: mic drops in the NFL's history. And then also we

987
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,040
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988
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: we might talk about the coaching staff a little bit more.

989
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,680
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Speaker 1: But I wanted to kind of go into a moment

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Speaker 1: that happened yesterday in the NFL playoffs and Jimmy Graham,

1033
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: tight end for the Chicago Bears. Excuse me, and what

1034
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: could be his final season and maybe his final catch

1035
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: of his career, had one of the best mic drops

1036
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: I might have ever seen in the NFL. He goes

1037
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: over the Middle's the final play of the game. Chicago's

1038
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: already losing and New Orleans has wrapped this thing up,

1039
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: and he goes over the middle and he makes a

1040
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: fantastic one handed grab. I believe we have the clip

1041
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: here of Jimmy Graham going across the middle and going

1042
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: into it. But does it have audio? Chris, does this

1043
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: have audio on it? No clip? Okay, yeah, let's go

1044
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: and roll that clip. It's rolling right now. Okay, cool,

1045
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 1: So whatever, you look at this. He makes the grab

1046
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 1: one handed. Touchdown times expired. He continues and just runs

1047
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: straight into the tunnel, just runs straight into it, kind

1048
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: of I mean, Randy mosses it. I mean, goes straight

1049
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: up the tunnel. Just a fun way to say goodbye

1050
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: to Jimmy Graham, who of course had his career in

1051
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: New Orleans. But Isaiah, as somebody who has played in

1052
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: the league and had some mic drop moments yourself, is

1053
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: this the best mic drop you've ever seen. It's pretty

1054
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: dug on good Man. That's a heck of a catch obviously,

1055
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: is it, you know, garbage time, But if that is

1056
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: his career inning catchman, he hats off to you. I

1057
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: know he had a bumpy, a bumpy roll in terms

1058
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: of his career, but I think he's pretty dug and

1059
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: well respected around here. So um, if that's how you

1060
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: send it off man and shoot, put that on replay,

1061
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: put in a dog on case and just rolled it over.

1062
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: He should have kept the ball though, he should have

1063
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: got Yeah. I don't know why he dropped the ball. Yeah, yeah,

1064
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's probably guess that was a mic.

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00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: You know, that was a mic drop, but that was

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00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: the drop of the mic. Yeah, uh, Rob, I mean,

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00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: I know you've gotten the cover Jimmy Graham before and

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00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: kind of his career. I mean, is he one of

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00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: the better tight ends in NFL history? Yeah, I mean,

1070
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: I I've watched a lot of Saints football just because

1071
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: that's how I grew up pulling for through family and stuff.

1072
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's an amazing tight end. He's he's one

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00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: of the tight ends that kind of changed the game

1074
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: in a way along with kind of kept it going

1075
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 1: in terms of what you know, Tony Gonzalez and Jason

1076
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: Winn did a different type of tight end. Gronkowski best

1077
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: mic drop I've ever seen in any sport when Damian

1078
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean a little hit that three pointer to beet

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00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: wave goodbye, Wave goodbye. That's the best mic drop. I

1080
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: don't think he can ever be topped by anybody. Wow. Man,

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00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: I think I've loved Jimmy Graham since the you and

1082
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: since he was his Miami days, and Miami has a

1083
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: thing for turning those tight ends into superstars. And man,

1084
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: that's just another one of those Jimmy Graham moments had.

1085
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: He's had a fabulous career. I really hope that this

1086
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: isn't the last that we see of Jimmy Graham because

1087
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: he showed this year that he had something left in

1088
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: the tank, and so just Chicago and Traubisky and there's

1089
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: just the quarterback struggles that they had. This may not

1090
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: have been the best year for him, He's still had

1091
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: fifty receptions. Like you said, I mean, he was somebody

1092
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: who had a legitimate impact for Chicago. Eight touchdowns. I

1093
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 1: mean that's the most Yeah, Yeah, that's like one. Now,

1094
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 1: Rob's got me thinking I'm trying to think of other

1095
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: mic drops. One of which was against my favorite team

1096
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: in the MLB and Major League Baseball was a Jose

1097
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 1: Bautista bat flip and the a l DS back in

1098
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: what was that twenty fourteen twenty fifteen U and Jose

1099
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: Bautista had the bat flip where he threw it up

1100
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: in the air. Um, he got punched in the face

1101
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: for that too, didn't he He He did get punched in

1102
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: the face for that, Thank goodness. Yeah, Rugi o'dor came

1103
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: up and stepped up. But I'm trying to think of

1104
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: what are some Cowboys mic drops if we had any. Um,

1105
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: I think Brad Sham had a really good one with

1106
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: the move over Sweetness make place for Emmett call. That

1107
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 1: was kind of a broadcaster mic drop, even though he

1108
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily retire after that. But rocket Ishmael against so

1109
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: Uh then the Washington football team in overtime, Troy Egman

1110
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: rocket rocket Ishmael. That maybe one. That's a long time ago.

1111
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: That's a good one though. No, I like that. That's

1112
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: a good one. Isaiah, you have a favorite anywhere in there.

1113
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: Could the Cowboys could maybe not be not like just

1114
00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 1: like spire off walk off. I mean, obviously I think

1115
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: to my times of Seattle and watching watching King Greek

1116
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: Junior and the Kingdom was it in the playoffs and

1117
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: he hit that dog on inside the marker. You know

1118
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: he was he was, he was rolling. So that was

1119
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: that for me? Is this big moment. But other than that,

1120
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: man nothing crazy. I mean yeah, without Michael Jordan, I

1121
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: think Michael Jordan has the best walk off the gatorade

1122
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: hand to come on, that's just like you know, dog

1123
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: getting no better than that. So the push off on

1124
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: Russell that what he escort. Yeah, but then but then

1125
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: he went back to then he came back again, which

1126
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: that never happened. The Wizard. The Wizard has never happened. Yeah, well,

1127
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: what are you talking about, Rob, I've never said any

1128
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: of that. I'm trying to think Cowboys, Mic drops, and

1129
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't think of any on top of

1130
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: my head. Might be a good might be a good

1131
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: list of put together though? Yeah, maybe we maybe we

1132
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: need to look into that. Now. Well we will get

1133
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: into free agents and things like that. We kind of

1134
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: ran out of time in this show, so I think

1135
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: we might save that for next week to kind of

1136
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: talk about which free agents are most likely, uh to

1137
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: go back and forth. Oh, Douglass just sent me a

1138
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: mic drop on my phone, but I'm unable to look

1139
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: at it at the moment. But I mean, we're gonna

1140
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: look into coaching stabs and free agents along the way

1141
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: whenever it comes to the Cowboys off season. I mean,

1142
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: they're plenty of guys, especially in that secondary, that could

1143
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: potentially go elsewhere here over the next couple of months.

1144
00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: And I mean there's a lot of overturn that's gonna happen,

1145
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: especially whenever a new defensive coordinator comes in here. But

1146
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: I want to each of you guys to give me

1147
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: a name. If you had to say, one free agent

1148
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football that's staying this year,

1149
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: who would it be? Who would be your number one

1150
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: guy to stay? And we'll start with you, Rob oh Man,

1151
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to pull up my list. Yeah, no, I

1152
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 1: need to see money too. There's a couple of them. Heck,

1153
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: save me, Jordan Lewis, Why there you go? Why Why

1154
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: is that dack Zack? For sure, we DA's not on

1155
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the football. But Chris just yelled

1156
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: it in my ear sou But Jordan Lewis. I think

1157
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, you know, when you talk about what he

1158
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 1: can do from the slot position, especially if you give

1159
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: get better safeties, I think he's service. The boy's a

1160
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: tough guy for his size. I mean, he had the

1161
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 1: penalty that made him look like a knucklehead, but he

1162
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: can make it back from that. Other than that, man,

1163
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: I don't see anyone else that I would want to

1164
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: bring back, just skill set wise and what he has

1165
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: in this wheelhouse. That's why I say Jordan Lewis. Okay,

1166
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: that's a good one. You ready down there? Yeah? Who

1167
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: I would want? I would say I'd bring Alton Smith

1168
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: back if I could. We'll see what the what the

1169
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 1: cap situation is and what he might get on the

1170
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 1: open market. I don't know if it's gonna be a

1171
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: Robert quintype situation last year, but I think I think

1172
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 1: in terms of a rotation, he can certainly help you.

1173
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: But I like the George Lewis one c J Goodwe

1174
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: does he count because I am definitely I am you know,

1175
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: he played like eight snaps on defense this year, but

1176
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: I am definitely wanting to bring him back to captain

1177
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: my special teams. Yeah, I would like that as well. Isaiah,

1178
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: y'all know I'm a Joe Thomas fan. Yeah, Joe Thomas fan.

1179
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: I think he's assistant man. Yeah, he's I think he's

1180
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:13,800
Speaker 1: just gonna say. I like guys that you can rely on.

1181
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know, he's gonna be there,

1182
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: He's gonna be where here supposed to be. He's gonna

1183
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: play hard, he's gonna play fast, he's gonna hit you.

1184
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's something that you could that you

1185
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: can lay your hat on at that position that we

1186
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: may not have been able to do most of this year. Yeah,

1187
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a high ceiling, but his flour is

1188
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: a little bit higher than I think maybe even Jalen

1189
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: Smith's is. Whenever it comes to that linebacking position and uh,

1190
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: talk about you guys, Mike. You know you guys know

1191
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: how I feel about about that position. No, we don't

1192
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: tell us some more. Do I need to say it

1193
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: to hear this? We're saying it with my chest. Yeah, whatever,

1194
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: h we'll talk about it next week. We'll figure it

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01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: out next week. But that's gonna do it here for us.

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