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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyon. In this episode number thirty seven,

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Speaker 1: toy in the show, Dan and I are going to

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Speaker 1: be looking back at two thousand fourteen and discussing our

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Speaker 1: lessons learned, greatest moments, and much much more. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast. And as I

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Speaker 1: mentioned today in the show, we're reflecting back on the

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Speaker 1: past year. It's December today, two thousand fourteen, so it

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Speaker 1: just naturally seems like the right time look back at

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Speaker 1: the past twelve months and then maybe do some thinking

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Speaker 1: about the new season to come to. But before we

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Speaker 1: do all that, Dan, how are you doing good? I'm

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Speaker 1: wearing sweatpants. Thank you for that image. Well, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying anytime I'm in sweatpants, I feel comfortable and I

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Speaker 1: feel good. Well, that is good, So there's that. Glad

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Speaker 1: to hear it. How is the day at work? The

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Speaker 1: day at work was was good? Uh, not too bad. Um,

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Speaker 1: they pulled me into the office and in February they

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Speaker 1: want me to go to the Philippines for for work,

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Speaker 1: so you're there forever for two to two weeks to

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Speaker 1: four weeks. Wow, that's pretty substantial. Yeah, So I had

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Speaker 1: to come home and talk to my wife about it,

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Speaker 1: and uh, I'm I don't know, I gotta my wife

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Speaker 1: in February is going to be eight let's see, Mark,

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Speaker 1: so like seven months pregnant, and then I got a

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Speaker 1: two year old at home, so we'll see. I'm leaning

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Speaker 1: towards I don't want to go. I feel like you

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Speaker 1: didn't mention one of the most important things too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's February. We're talking about the beginning of shed dunning

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Speaker 1: season there. Yeah, you know, I just I think that

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Speaker 1: that's something that should probably keep your home dad, right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think they have shed ailers

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Speaker 1: in the Philippines. No, something tells me they probably don't,

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Speaker 1: at least not as big as they do in Iowa,

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Speaker 1: right right, And if they do, they probably grind them

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Speaker 1: up and use him as medicine. But that's probably just

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Speaker 1: a stereotype. That could be. It could be. You know,

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Speaker 1: interesting thing though, people over somewhere on the other side

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Speaker 1: of the world, they use an extract of dear antler

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Speaker 1: velvet as a for some medicinal purpose. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like a growth hormone type deal. I'm here about that

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Speaker 1: for I have uh Ray Lewis the football player who

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Speaker 1: got away with murder that guy uh uh he used

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Speaker 1: it or got I don't know if it because I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's illegal if you're eating deer, because that

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Speaker 1: tissue is the fastest growing um living substance in nature,

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Speaker 1: so it's duplication rate is very high, and that's why

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Speaker 1: you know people are trying to use it to make

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Speaker 1: them bigger, faster, stronger type of type of thing. Pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting that. Yeah, I don't think I would eat antler

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Speaker 1: velvet though, just to get bigger, faster, stronger, just me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would do it. But hey, was

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Speaker 1: that your trick in college? Dan? Um? No, my trick

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Speaker 1: in college to get um. I got bigger. I didn't

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Speaker 1: get faster or stronger. But was is a lot of

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Speaker 1: They sold them in thirty paths. Believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: What an interesting concept. Oh man, Well, I'm glad you

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Speaker 1: have a decent day in your sweatpants. Interestingly enough, I'm

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Speaker 1: in sweatpants too, So how about that awesome. Tell me

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Speaker 1: a little bit about your day, Mark, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: I am freezing cold, and I can't feel my toes

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Speaker 1: and my face is really red and I've got snot

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Speaker 1: running on my nose. So that's right, you were in

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Speaker 1: the timber. Yeah, I literally got it from the woods

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Speaker 1: give a synopsis of our telephone call last night. Long

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Speaker 1: story short. Mark says to me, I have to hunt

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Speaker 1: never ever had that happen where it's like you have

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Speaker 1: you should, Mark, Oh man, No, my wife is. She

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Speaker 1: So that weekend went by, and then I want out

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Speaker 1: And then about twenty minutes later, another group of dos

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Speaker 1: of November six weeks? You have haunted six weeks? Correct, Man,

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Speaker 1: I got shot him, I wasn't able to recover him, um.

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00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 1: And it was it was a whole debacle. So I

429
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 1: thought through a lot, and I thought to myself, you know,

430
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: what can I take away from it? And and to

431
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: one part of me says, I wish it never happened

432
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 1: at all. I wish I had not had that encounter.

433
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: I wish I hadn't got shot at him, because I,

434
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, I I would not have wanted to wound

435
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: that deer and and have whatever happened to him, which

436
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: I still don't know. UM. I would have rather, you know,

437
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,959
Speaker 1: me never shot him and hit him and wounded him

438
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: and not being able to recovering all those things. Um,

439
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: from at least from the perspective of not wanting to

440
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: wound a deer and and not be able to recover

441
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: that anumber. Um. But then I also, you know, as

442
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: time has gone by, I also think back about, you know,

443
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: what I've been able to take from that experience, um,

444
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: and what I'd be able to learn from that, and

445
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,239
Speaker 1: how that's changed my perspective on some things or how

446
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 1: I go about some things when it comes to hunting. Um.

447
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: And you know now that two months has gone by,

448
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: or more than two and a half months now, UM,

449
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: I can in some way look back and say, hey,

450
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 1: you know what, you did a lot of things right. UM.

451
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: You know, for the longest time after that was so

452
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: upset with myself with how it ended. UM. But now

453
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: I can kind of look back to a small degree again,

454
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: I wish I could take back that arrow so that

455
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: deer didn't have to be wounded and possibly suffer. I'm

456
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: not sure what happened, um, But as I've also looked

457
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: back and said, hey, you trusted a gut instinct. You

458
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 1: looked at all a whole bunch of different puzzle pieces,

459
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: you put them together, and you put yourself in the

460
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: right place based on your intuition and all those different

461
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: pieces together, and you put yourself in a position to

462
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: take a shot at a six and a half year

463
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: old deer. UM. And I had that shot and it

464
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: was the you know, pretty incredible to be able to

465
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: do that something that I the specific deer I was

466
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: after in these specific way I was after him, and

467
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: I was able to put myself in that opportunity. So

468
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 1: now two and a half months later, I can see, hey,

469
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: you know that was a positive step there. So you know,

470
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at what I did from that perspective, get

471
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: up to that point and said, Okay, you did some

472
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: things right there, and I've been able to look back

473
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: at that and and UM take some satisfaction from the

474
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: fact that I was able to do some of those

475
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: things right. And I can, you know, now take a

476
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: little bit of suse and saying, hey, you know that

477
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: was a step forward in some ways for me, um

478
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: to get in that opportunity, right, Um. But then looking

479
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: at the final moments when you know the shot, I mean,

480
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: the only thing that went wrong was the shot, right.

481
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: And we talked about this a little bit, um, you

482
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: know in that full episode where we talked about the

483
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: shot and the whole job breaker issue. UM. And you know,

484
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: two things for me, um, And we talked about some

485
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: of these specific things and they're still probably true today. UM.

486
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: Biggest thing for me is I'm not going to put

487
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: the camera first when it comes to getting a shot

488
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: out a deer. UM. In that situation, the biggest thing

489
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: I I feel quite sure that if I wasn't messing

490
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: around with that camera for fifteen seconds or or whatever

491
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: it was, UM, trying to sell film this deer, I

492
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: would have had all the time in the world I

493
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: needed to get a clear, wide open, perfect shot at

494
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: job breaker that I that I should have been able

495
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 1: to It would have been chip shot. UM, and you

496
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: know we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. So

497
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: that's that's step number one. UM. I still haven't decided

498
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do filming wise in the future. UM,

499
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: if I'm going to continue to sell film, or if

500
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a cameraman, or you know, if we're

501
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: going to change kind of our priorities at wire Hunt

502
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: when it comes to video in general. UM, those are

503
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: some decisions I'm you know, the process of making right now. UM,

504
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: But if I am going to continue to sell film,

505
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: it won't be the first priority. UM. I tell my story,

506
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, right telling the story of my season and

507
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: my experiences deer hunting. That's my job. So I need

508
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 1: to be able to tell these stories, and part of

509
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 1: the way to tell that story is their video. But

510
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: I also have avenues such as writing and this podcast.

511
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: I have other ways to tell that story. UM, and

512
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: so in the end, my ultimate responsibility is to UM

513
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: number one hunt as ethically, humanely and responsible as possible.

514
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: That should be my very first responsibility. So if I'm

515
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: gonna take a shot of deer, I realized that needs

516
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: to be the first and most important thing I'm thinking about. UM. Secondly, though,

517
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: I do have an obligation to to be able to

518
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: share that story since this is my job, and UM,

519
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: for a while there, I felt like it was my

520
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 1: obligation I had to get the shot on film, and UM.

521
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: Previous years, I've gotten some shots a deer and I

522
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: didn't get on film, and I got all sorts of

523
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: hack from people saying, what's the point I've been putting

524
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: out a video without kills shot? Why the heck? What

525
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: why do we why do even watch this video? And UM,

526
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, I've now decided, you know what it is,

527
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 1: what it is. I'm not Michael Waddell, I'm not Jim Shocky.

528
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, you know, be able to put up

529
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: professional videos, and that's not my number one thing because

530
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: my soul obligation isn't to produce a TV show. I'm

531
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: trying to have experiences and share those experiences with other people.

532
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: And I have different ways I can share that experience. UM.

533
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: So I might not have video of the of the

534
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: shots or video of some of these experiences, but I

535
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: can tell the story. I can write the story. And

536
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: so from a from a career obligation standpoint, I'm gonna

537
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: have to, you know, say, video is just not gonna

538
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: be that important. Um, considering the fact I can, I

539
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: can here in other ways. So there's a couple of things.

540
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: There were the whole video side of things. UM. You know.

541
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: The final thing that I still struggle with, UM, yeah,

542
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: is I could I still in this case. There's a

543
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: whole bunch of compounding variables that led to this. But UM,

544
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: I still rushed shots sometimes. UM. You know, I wish

545
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: I could be better at just settling in and then

546
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: taking some extra seconds just to take some time and

547
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: take stock of the situation. I just don't do that.

548
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: I work on things and try to get better at that. UM.

549
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: I have gotten better to a degree. UM, But I'm

550
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: still not as great as I wish I would be.

551
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,239
Speaker 1: And I know that gets better with time. And you know,

552
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: the more experience that I have, the better I'll get

553
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: with that. I've been hunting for years now. Um, well

554
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: not that much, I guess, but um but still I

555
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: get some I get buck fever, I still get caught

556
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: up in the moment. Um. I still get pretty excited.

557
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: So I just need to continue to get better because

558
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: in this case, U um, you know, the camera I

559
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: was messing one of the camera fifteen seconds or whatever

560
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: it was. By the time I finally got the camera situated,

561
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: I had to turn around, I had to grab the bow.

562
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: I drew back, the peep site didn't open. All these

563
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: things happened. The deer was all the way on the

564
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: other side of the clearing, and I basically it was

565
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: you get a shot now, it's now or never, basically,

566
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: And I, you know, in the moment, I said now,

567
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to take the shot, and this is like

568
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: it looks at my best possible shot in retrospect. If

569
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: I had drawn and then taking some taking a few

570
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: seconds to to think more about it, I might have

571
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: seen that there was, you know, this small branch in

572
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 1: the way. UM. Or I might have just said, you

573
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: know what, it's it's too close for comfort. UM, it's

574
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: too likely something could go wrong here. He's halfway behind

575
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: these branches. UM. You know it's better not to take

576
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: the shot and not risk wounding the deer. In the moment,

577
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, So I wish I had

578
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: because you know, actually I went back to that tree

579
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: stand now UM, and at looking and actually where I

580
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: thought that this is my last possible chance. If I

581
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: had let him go and walk another ten or fifteen yards,

582
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: he probably would have gone into another small shooting lane. UM.

583
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: So I actually probably would have had another possibly would

584
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: have had another chance. UM. But at the time I

585
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't realize it. So you know, hindsight, UM, I did

586
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: the best I could in the moment, and it didn't

587
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: go the way I would have wanted. But I UM,

588
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: I did some things right living up to it that

589
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: I can look back at now and say, hey, you

590
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: did some stuff there, And then I've also did some

591
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: things I wish I hadn't, and I've been able to

592
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: learn from that. And um, because that was such a

593
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: um defining moment of my season, that whole situation. It

594
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: really it really defined this year for me, um and

595
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: that was kind of my big trial and tribulation that

596
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: I had to push through, and I hit a low

597
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: point for sure as a hunter. Um It. I really

598
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: grew in some different ways. And so I'm fortunate for

599
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm happy for that. I'm appreciative of that now that

600
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: I had to go through that, and that I'm I

601
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: am kind of who I am now as a hunter.

602
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: Um And now I just need to go and take

603
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 1: those lessons and move forward with them and apply them

604
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: in future seasons. So I don't know that's that's probably

605
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: a long way to answer that question. No, But the

606
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: good thing you said in there is and this is

607
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: what I feel is the most important when it comes

608
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: to hunting and pretty much life in general. But learning.

609
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: If you can't learn from a scenario, then you've wasted

610
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: your time, that's my opinion. So if you can take

611
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: away something from that failure and turn it into a

612
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: learning experience, then you actually became a better hunter out

613
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: of that. Even though you didn't have a dead deer

614
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: at the end of a blood trailer, you became a

615
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: better hunter. Yeah, And I definitely think that was the case.

616
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: And and then I applied you know, some of the

617
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: things that I, you know, just talked about right there. Um,

618
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: I made sure to to fix those wrongs the next

619
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: time I had a chance to deer, which was, you know,

620
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: two weeks later on the other Ohio buck that I

621
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, center punch got a really good shot on him,

622
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: because I was thinking about job Breaker just before that shot,

623
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: like in my head, my thing after the whole thing

624
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: with job Breaker was when I'm working on a shot,

625
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: just recite jawbreaker as my little mantra, and that kind

626
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: of reminds me, hey, slow down, you focus on your form,

627
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: take a couple of extras seconds. So um, as that

628
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: deer was, you know, stepping into range, I was kind

629
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: of saying job breaker, job breaker in my head, just

630
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: remind you, don't let that happen again. Don't don't, don't,

631
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: don't rush it. And uh and I didn't, and it,

632
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, paid off. So that was definitely the whole

633
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: the whole Ohio season for me was was definitely the

634
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: defining UM period of my two thousand fourteen season and

635
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: definitely my biggest learning experiences UM from from A to

636
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: B or from A to Z. Really that was my

637
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: when my season comes down to, even though I spent

638
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: a lot more time in Michigan and Indiana and stuff,

639
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: a lot of that was kind of negligible compared to

640
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: what all happened in Ohio. So good deal. So yeah, um,

641
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: now now we gotta talk about because I so rudely

642
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: interrupted your your greatest moment from the past year. Yeah, um,

643
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm talking a whole long time here,

644
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: so I apologize for that because I just rambled. They're

645
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: talking about job Breaker like I always do. But um,

646
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: so my greatest moment of my season, Um, you haven't

647
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: even heard the story yet, dan um. And and it's

648
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: kind of part one A and one B. One B

649
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: would be you know, my Ohio the any of my

650
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Ohio season, that whole thing. And we've already talked that

651
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: the whole story, so I won't repeat it. But I

652
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: was able to, you know, kill a nice buck in Ohio,

653
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: and actually, you know, you know the whole story. I

654
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: thought it was job breaker and that whole just that

655
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: was a pretty incredible moment to still be able to

656
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 1: um complete that season in a in a way that

657
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: I was pretty excited about. But the best moment on

658
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: my season came about a week and a half ago

659
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: when my dad came down hunt with me, and my

660
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: dad had as um some I say, issues doesn't have

661
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: the best eyesight since he was a child, and because

662
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: of that, he it's been you know, a harder time

663
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 1: for him hunting. Um. He's still always going on hunting,

664
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: but he just doesn't see as many deer as most people.

665
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: Last times they'll be dear out there. He might not

666
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: be able to see it. But he's just an incredibly

667
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: um ah, impressive person. I guess that what he's being

668
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: able to do over the course of his life despite

669
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: you know those challenges. Um. But that being said, he

670
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: hasn't killed a deer in a long time because of that.

671
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: So we actually hunted when I was a young kid,

672
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: you know, growing up, I would always sit with my

673
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: dad and he'd be the one with the gun and

674
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: he'd be out there hunting and I'd be watching him,

675
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: and we were never able to kill a deer together.

676
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: He was never able to shoot a deer while I

677
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: was out there with him. UM, So I thought it

678
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: would be fun he was down here hunting with me.

679
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: I would sit with him while he was hunting, But

680
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: this time. You know, he'd be the one with the gun.

681
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: I'd be the one just sitting watching, um, but I'd

682
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: be the one setting him up to hunt. So I

683
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: took him to one of my best spots here in Michigan,

684
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: and I had a red knight blind um that I

685
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: have set up here. That's really perfect set up for

686
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: him because he's not really comfortable up in a tree

687
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: stand um, and it wouldn't be really great for two

688
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: of us up there anyway. So um, we got to

689
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: hunt a couple of days together, and he was the

690
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: first night we hunted together, it was a few deer,

691
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: but they're too far away. Um. The second morning we

692
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: saw some more does, but nothing quite in arrange. Um.

693
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: And gets to our last evening and we're sitting in

694
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: the box planing together and Pennce seeing anything, and I

695
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: just remember just thinking sitting there with my dad, and

696
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: I just thought thought back to all the times, you know,

697
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: when when I was a little kid hunting with him,

698
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: and thinking back on stories. So I started asking my

699
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: dad about his favorite times hunting with his dad. So

700
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: for like an hour, he was just telling me different stories.

701
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: And when he was six or seven hunting with his dad,

702
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 1: and all those great memories. And then uh, we started

703
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, what were our favorite memories when

704
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, me and my dad were hunting, and we

705
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: kind of joked about at the different times, and he

706
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: mentioned the fact, you know, wow, you know I never

707
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: was able to shoot a deer with you, and he

708
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, it's kind of a bummer. Um,

709
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: that's what kind of joked about that, and um, you

710
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: know I think he kind of lamented it a little

711
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: bit too, that we would never had never been able

712
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: to share that experience. Um. Well, then just as we're

713
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: kind of talking about that, all of a sudden, like Dad, Dad,

714
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: there's a buck and coming down of the tall grass.

715
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: Off to my right comes a buck. A buck steps

716
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: out on the food plot, and we kind of talked

717
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: to this whole thing. So as that buck steps out

718
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: in the food plot, I grabbed the glass windows and

719
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: I stand up really slowly and slowly slowly creaked the

720
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: window up and latched up top, and I sit back down.

721
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: My dad's grabbing his muzzleloader and he sets it on

722
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 1: the window sill, and the dad, you want to take him?

723
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, yeah, I want to take him. So

724
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: I looked over my dad and you can see him.

725
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: He's pretty excited. I grab grabbed my binoculars and put

726
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: him on the deer and wait a second, two seconds,

727
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: boom m that gun went off and the buck took

728
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: off out of the field. And I got to look

729
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: at my dad for the first time in my life

730
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: and give him a huge high five and hug and

731
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: stay congratulations, like it was the first time for the

732
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: two of us ever to be together and have someone

733
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: shoot a deer, and it was just the coolest thing. Um,

734
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: we just you know, so exciting, and uh, it was

735
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: just really cool, you know, kind of reversed rolls, right.

736
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: My dad taught me how to hunt and took me

737
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: out in the outdoors and all this and and now

738
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: I was able to take him out to my spot

739
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: and help him shoot a deer and to get to

740
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: see him have that have that success and maybe a

741
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: part of that that was just the just the coolest thing.

742
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: And so, you know, the shot went off and the deer,

743
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 1: the deer actually dropped at the shot for about five seconds, kicking,

744
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: and they jumped up and took off running. So we

745
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: weren't sure exactly how good the hit was. That looked

746
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: to me like it might have been just a touch back,

747
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: so we decided to back out wait a little bit,

748
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: so wait till after dark, and my buddy Andy, who

749
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: has his tracking dog, came out to help us, and

750
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: long story short, and went and tracked the deer and

751
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: we had very very little blood. Um, just a couple

752
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: of little drops. Here we go like fifty yards of blood,

753
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: hundred yards of blood. But june Bug the dog was

754
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: was really on it. So my dad was waiting at

755
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: the spot where we had last seen blood and me

756
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 1: and Andy were up with a dog maybe sixty seventy

757
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: yards ahead, and we've been tracking for maybe an hour now,

758
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 1: I don't know something like that. It's late after dark,

759
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: and um, we get up to here and Andy goes, oh, man,

760
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: here's a pile of corn in the blood. He must

761
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: have got a gut shot. And I was like, oh crap.

762
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: And I walk up there and I see that actually

763
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: the bucks lane right there, so I was I was

764
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: really excited. But then we're like, hey, Dad, Deck, come

765
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: over here. There's a there's some blood, but but man,

766
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: there's there's corn and it this is definitely gut shot man. Sorry,

767
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: Dave and so Dad comes up and he's huffing and

768
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: puffing and upset and frustrateds like, son of a gun.

769
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: I can't believe that he was so upset. And he

770
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: comes walking up and we're both standing right next to

771
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: the deer and he comes walking up and you see

772
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: him just he gets there and he looks down at

773
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: the blood with corn and it, and it it just took

774
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: him like two or three seconds just staring at it

775
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: before like processed. He was like, oh my gosh. And

776
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: so we just laughed and we hugged and we high

777
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: fived and it was it was just really really cool.

778
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: It was It was awesome highlight of my season, highlight

779
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: of definitely one of the greatest highlights of my hunting

780
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: career ever. Um, this was a pretty awesome moment. Yeah, man,

781
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: I can't I can't wait until I've am able to

782
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: share my My son's not even born yet, and I

783
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: can't wait to share a moment like that with him someday. Yeah.

784
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: I think when it all comes down to it, that's

785
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: what's all about exactly. So that was pretty cool. That

786
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: was pretty cool. So what, um, I want to jump

787
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: back to you real quick here on something you just

788
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: asked me about which was, you know, my debacle job

789
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: record where they learned from that? Um, you know that

790
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: was probably for me that was the biggest miss stake

791
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: of the year, that whole situation. But for you you

792
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: know what, what do you think was your either your

793
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: biggest mistake or your biggest learning experience from two thousand fourteen.

794
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it's something that happened during the season, or maybe

795
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: it's something that happened before this season. Well, as you know,

796
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: me and Ryan put a ton of time in preseason

797
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 1: to haying stands and doing our scouting and going over

798
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, a high level game plan for the properties

799
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: that we could hunt. And I'll tell you what, and

800
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: we talked about this about setting up observation stands and

801
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: then setting back watching the area and waiting for you know,

802
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: waiting for the right time to do that. Of the time,

803
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: maybe even more of the time that we did that

804
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: this year, it worked, and it worked to a t

805
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 1: just the you know what, what aren't What me and

806
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: Ryan said all year long was we're in the right place,

807
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: but the wrong gear coming through. And what I mean

808
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: by that is all that planning preparation we get to

809
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: the we get to the location. You know, the trail

810
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: cameras are showing the big bucks or there the movement.

811
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: The younger DearS the does it's just that that that

812
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: one buck in that area is not coming through. And

813
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: there's two things I would consider that we may have

814
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: may have done wrong or in the lesson that could

815
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: possibly be learned, as I think a lot of people

816
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: are afraid to just make that jump and commit to

817
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: that next that next standard location. We were in our

818
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: observation stands, we were, um, you know, seeing the movement,

819
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: and maybe we waited one day one extra hunt and

820
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: waited wanted, you know, waited to get in there. But man,

821
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: I think there's a couple of instances that uh, I

822
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: don't know that came to my mind where we we

823
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: we're back from the area, we were back from the

824
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: pinch point where they were coming out, and for a day,

825
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: two days in a row, we're seeing all these deer

826
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: pile out of here, and we looked at each other

827
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: and say, man, it's just a matter of time until

828
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 1: the big boy steps out. So instead of us waiting

829
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: or you know, instead of us going in there and

830
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: you know, from an opposite wind direction and waiting for

831
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: the perfect wind direction. We sat back, and then that

832
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: night we watched the big buck come out, and we

833
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: should have been in that finger or timber when he

834
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: came out and not waiting for us to see him

835
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: from the observation stand, because we already had the facts

836
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: there that the deer we're piling out of this finger.

837
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: And I really think that we weren't aggressive enough to

838
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: jump into this finger, um when when all the movement

839
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: was there, and I think we just waited one one

840
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: extra day and it's almost like, yeah, like I said,

841
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: we weren't aggressive enough. Yeah. Well, I mean we talked

842
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: a little bit about this, I think during our rut episode.

843
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm right in the same boat as you.

844
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: I think if anything I took away other than the

845
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: stuff related to what we talked about, um, from a

846
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: purely tactic standpoint, that's exactly my big takeaway for this

847
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: year too, was, um, you know, getting more aggressive and

848
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: being willing to when when you've got the facts, when

849
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: things are ready, you know, go in there. Um. I

850
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: I tend to pussy foot around because I'm so concerned

851
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: about not putting too much pressure on the deer um,

852
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: which is important, right, You need to balance that, but

853
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to strike, and you have to strike

854
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: at the right time in the right place. Um. And

855
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: too often I've been just a little bit off because

856
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm waiting or um, you don't want to push in

857
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: too far. UM. But I found you know, just like

858
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: what you said, UM, you know, there are those opportunities

859
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 1: when you should go in there. And this year when

860
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 1: I did take it, when I did get aggressive, I

861
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: got my two shots at bucks, I got the shot

862
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: job breaker. And then the next time I decided to

863
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: push and set up a stand at four in the

864
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: morning and the spot I had to be because I

865
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: knew I had to get in there deep well, I

866
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: killed my buck. So that again I think illustrated that. Um.

867
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: You know, when when the things are lined up correctly

868
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: and your if you have that confidence, you need to

869
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: go in there because these big mature deer, you they

870
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: don't operate like the rest of the deer her They're

871
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: not gonna be willy neely out in the you know,

872
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: out in the middle of the fields. Is often sometimes

873
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: you have to you have to jump on those opportunities

874
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: when you have them. And sometimes it's in the harder

875
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: to get spots too right and that's that's my biggest problem.

876
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: Is I over analyze everything, and instead of saying, all right,

877
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm hunting here tonight, I analyze it. I analyze everything.

878
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: I analyze, um, you know, opposing stand locations to where

879
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: maybe this one would be better, maybe this one would

880
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: be better when I just need to commit. And that's

881
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: a problem that I've been working on and it just

882
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: seems like it's it's hard for me to fix that

883
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 1: problem that I have with myself. Yeah. Now, one thing

884
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier this year, UM, something you mentioned when

885
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: talking about this for next year, you said you might

886
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: even consider not hanging any stands at all instead of

887
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: just using just using a portable so every time you

888
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: go out you can pick whatever the best spot is

889
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: for that night and not feel like you are obligated

890
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: to sit any pre hung stands. Is that something you

891
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: still think you want to do next year? Yeah? Most definitely, UM,

892
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: because here is the exact reasons why. And I think

893
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: we talked about this on one of the podcasts already.

894
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: But go out there and trim trim stands early and

895
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: and you know your July and your August or whatever,

896
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: and trim those stand locations out but don't leave any

897
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,840
Speaker 1: don't leave any stands in it, because then what I

898
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: what I found myself in this year was I have

899
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: a stand in a location in an area, and I

900
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: needed to be forty yards away or twenty yards this way,

901
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: or thirty yards of this square four or whatever, and

902
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: then you're almost committed to that area when you know

903
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 1: all I have are lone wolf tree stands and sticks. Okay,

904
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: so I they're easy to put on my back, and

905
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: I can go in and do a running gun set

906
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: up fairly easy, and I've done enough times where it

907
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: doesn't take that long. The only problem is, you know,

908
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: getting in there quietly turning out shooting lanes. So I

909
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: have to get in earlier. I have to, but I'm

910
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: used to that because that's just the way I hunt.

911
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: But if I can go into the certain spots, cut

912
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: out a couple of shooting lanes, and then start have

913
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: a starting place, carry down that set, and then move

914
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: make my you know, my minor adjustments from that location,

915
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: I really think that's gonna help me get closer to

916
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: the deer. You have to be mobile every time. It

917
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: just comes back to that for me. Yeah, I think

918
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense to hunt like that

919
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: in your type of situation, but a lot of work too. Yeah,

920
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: it is, and it is. It's something that has an

921
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: expiration date because you know, when I hit my fifties

922
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: and depending on how good a shape I am, and

923
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: when I hit those older ages, it can't it's not

924
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna be able to be done. And as I'm gonna

925
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: hunt like that as and hard as I can until

926
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: home until I can't do it anymore. And that's uh,

927
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: that's just the way in my my belief is, that's

928
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: how it has to be for me to get closer

929
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: to these big deer with the scenario that I have

930
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: the added pressure from other hunters, the um you know,

931
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: the change of the crops when they introduce the livestock

932
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: into the fields. It's you know, all those things are

933
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: in a way of pattern, and I have to put

934
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: all these pieces of the puzzles together to find out

935
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: what the best possible location for that is. And it's

936
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: different every year, so I can't have a permanent stand

937
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: and it's just it's different every day. Right, You've got

938
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: a pretty dynamic situation there. Yeah. Yeah, Um, you know

939
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: something that I got popped up in my head here

940
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: while we're talking about this is Um. It doesn't seem

941
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: directly related to what you just said, but it made

942
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: me think of this one of the other big things,

943
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: kind of one of the mistakes I made this year

944
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: and one of the big things I want to do

945
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: different next year. Um. In addition to being more aggressive,

946
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: is land getting more access one of the biggest mistakes

947
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: I made this year. Dan. I don't know if we've

948
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: ever really talked about it, um, but I got comfortable

949
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: with my land situation. So I have my property down Ohio,

950
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: which is a great spot. I have my couple of

951
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: spots in Michigan. I've had more spots in Michigan. I've

952
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: lost a few spots, but I've got a couple here

953
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: that are okay. UM. And then at the beginning of

954
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: the year, I was originally gonna hunt in Iowa, and

955
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: then changes and now I'm going hunting Indiana. So then

956
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: I went into the summer saying, Okay, I'm gonna go

957
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: out there and knock on a bunch of doors, get

958
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: permission on a couple of good spots in Indiana. So

959
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: I went down there several times scouting, kind of look

960
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: checking out fields and seeing what kind of deer we're wearing,

961
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: you know. Eventually, July found an area with some nice

962
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: bucks in the general area, spend a night out there

963
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: knocking on doorsday had knocked on like eight or nine

964
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: different doors, and I got kind of sort of permission

965
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: on spot. Um. But after that, I thought, okay, I'm

966
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm upset. I'll stick with the spot. Well, that spot

967
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: ends up falling through. But then I've got another friend

968
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: who says, hey, I live in Indiana. I can get

969
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: your permission on a couple of spots. So he calls

970
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: me one night and says, hey, I got permission for

971
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: two or three farms for you. Um, I'll send you

972
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: the address information. You know. Shortly, well, he's kind of

973
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: a friend of a friend and not something I know

974
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: really well. Well, I never heard back from him again.

975
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: So but because of that, we're having that conversation. Like

976
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: in August or something, I decide I wasn't gonna go

977
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: knocking any more doors or try to get any more properties.

978
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: I was like, well, I got that, um that will

979
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: come through. So September comes right with el Con. I

980
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: was out here and there and October arrives, and now

981
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: this guy has not gotten back to me, has got

982
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: me no information about this property. So I now don't

983
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: have anywhere at hunt Indiana and it's October, and I was,

984
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: you know, banking on having that spot. So now I'm

985
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: just stuck with Ohio and Michigan. Will Michigan ends up

986
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 1: being a complete flop. As you know, I've had no

987
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: mature bucks in the area at all, except for one

988
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: who wasn't even you know, that exciting of the deer

989
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: to hunt. But um, in general, Michigan was My properties

990
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: in Michigan were total busts compared to how they are

991
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: most here. So Michigan essentially, as we got in October,

992
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: became somewhere I wasn't really even that interested in hunting anymore,

993
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: um for this season. So now I've just had Ohio

994
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: pretty much. UM And I dropped the ball because I

995
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: hadn't followed through on the Indiana situation and gotten permission

996
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: on additional places and kept knocking on doors, and now

997
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: I was stuck with nowhere to go. So you know,

998
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: as you know, I was able to get some last

999
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: minute permission on a property in Indiana. I got to

1000
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: hunt down there, but it was I've never been down there.

1001
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: I knew nothing about it. I just showed up and

1002
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,439
Speaker 1: try to figure some stuff out, and there's other people

1003
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 1: hunting in and a whole bunch of other things, and

1004
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: it obviously didn't work out at all. So you know,

1005
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: that's something I learned is I just need to this

1006
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: coming year just you can never have access to too

1007
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: many spots. Um, So I'm gonna just tirelessly go out

1008
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: there and get more spots in Michigan, get spots in

1009
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: some other states for me. I've I've kind of realized

1010
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 1: I need permission. I need to have too out of

1011
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: state spots for me. Um, Michigan is just not dependable

1012
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: enough at least where I can hunt that I know

1013
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: there's gonna be, you know, enough mature deer for me

1014
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 1: to hunt to make it worth a whole lot of

1015
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: time for me. So I need to have two out

1016
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: of state places that I can be bouncing back and

1017
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: forth from throughout the year to to keep me busy

1018
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: and in the deer that I'm interested in hunting. And

1019
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: and I just wasn't prepared for that this year. So

1020
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: that's a that's a big thing for me next year,

1021
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: is I'm not going to get into that situation again

1022
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: where I'm you know, stuck with a filtag in Ohio

1023
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: and nowhere else that I'm really excited about him, right,

1024
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: And that's that time of year starts as soon as

1025
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: the season's over, because shed hunting a property is the key,

1026
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: in my opinion, to accessing it for hunting season because

1027
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: a majority of people will let you go in and

1028
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: shed hunt look for antlers because not a lot of

1029
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: other people do it, and you get to know the

1030
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: farmer through that, then they're more you know, they're more

1031
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 1: acceptable to you know, to letting you to come in

1032
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: and bow hunt or whatever kind of hunting you want

1033
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: to do. And even you know, even hunting that property

1034
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 1: for for a turkey hunt, because you know, more people

1035
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: deer hunt than turkey hunt. And and actually in my

1036
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: area anyway, and I just know that any any chance

1037
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: you can get to prove yourself as a good person

1038
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: to these landowners, they're gonna let you jump in with

1039
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: you know, let's say the other hunters that are in

1040
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: this area so are on their farms. Yeah, that is

1041
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: one of the such a great piece of advice and

1042
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: something that's worked for me and some of my friends too,

1043
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: is exactly get your foot in the door with something

1044
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: that's not quite as um. You know, competitive people aren't

1045
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: quite as worried about you going out there in February

1046
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: to look for anglers. And it's a great way to

1047
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: build that relationship. And didn't we I think we had

1048
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: a podcast almost dedicated to getting permission? Yes, yeah, I

1049
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: think you should post that as a link on the

1050
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: on the show notes here, and you guys should take

1051
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: a listen to that because a lot of good information

1052
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: is covered in that podcast as well. Yeah, you are

1053
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: absolutely right, we'll do that because, um, it's such an

1054
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: important thing. I mean, really, all these things we've talked

1055
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 1: about when it comes to being aggressive are different tactics.

1056
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: None of that matters if the deer that you're interested

1057
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of deer you're interested in hunting don't live there. Um,

1058
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: So you gotta have the land. You have to be

1059
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: in the right spots to to even be in the game.

1060
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 1: So big takeaway, big takeaway there. So we are getting

1061
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: here pretty close to time, Dan, Um I would say, um, well,

1062
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: I'm curious for you, Dan, if there was anything that

1063
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: we've talked about some of our high moments of our

1064
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: low moments from the years and things we want to

1065
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: do differently. UM. For me, I start setting new goals

1066
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 1: for tooth Out for the next season about this time, UM,

1067
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: and I start challenging myself in new ways to different

1068
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: ways that I want to push myself and do some

1069
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: things different. So we've talked about some of those to

1070
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: this point, UM, but I'm curious, is there anything that

1071
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: you would challenge our listeners to do next year? Um?

1072
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 1: Because everyone listening to this, I'm sure some of you

1073
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: guys out there can relate to some of the things

1074
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: me and Dan are talking about. UM, but you know,

1075
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: we definitely want to push you guys to get better too,

1076
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: just as we're trying to push ourselves to to grow

1077
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: as hunters. So, Dan, is there anything that you can

1078
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: think of that would be worth two to kind of

1079
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: challenge our listeners with? And it's hard to do because

1080
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I still find myself getting complacent in my old ways

1081
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: as well, especially when you're when you're exhausted, and you know,

1082
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: hunting is supposed to be this relaxing time to enjoy

1083
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 1: nature and all that stuff. But if your goals are

1084
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: if you have high goals, there's only one way to

1085
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: do that. And my I guess my challenge would be,

1086
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to fail. Don't be afraid to go

1087
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: into an area that you think of, you know, a

1088
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 1: big old mature buck is living, and and fail, get

1089
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: winded and get blown out of there, because the only

1090
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: way you're going to get that mature buck is by

1091
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: going in there and potentially risking that because it's it's

1092
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: a coin toss or you know, it's a crapshoot, whatever

1093
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: whatever way you want to think about it. In order

1094
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: to get to these big mature animals, you have to

1095
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: go to where they live, not see not see them,

1096
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: but be able to shoot them. You know, for bow hunting,

1097
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: you've got to be closed. So my challenge is to

1098
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 1: make a move. Period. I love it. I love the

1099
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 1: idea of don't be afraid to fail, because that's something

1100
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: over the years i've been So that's that's that's what

1101
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: my big issues is. I'm always afraid of screwing it up,

1102
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: so I won't risk the aggressive move because I'm more

1103
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: concerned about screwing it up versus you know, being confident

1104
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: in my ability to possibly pull it off. Um, but

1105
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a human flaw. I mean, just imagine

1106
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: if you you know. It's like when when you see

1107
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: a hot girl at a bar, you know, and you're like,

1108
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: I'm married now, so I can't do any of that stuff.

1109
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: But you see a hot girl in the bar, you

1110
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: want to talk to her, but you don't got the

1111
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: balls too. This this is easier because you know you're

1112
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 1: not gonna get rejected by a white tail. Yeah, they'll

1113
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: blow and run away or whatever, but that's there's no humility.

1114
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: They're none of your friends going to see that. No,

1115
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: but it's funny that that's what used to happen to

1116
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: me at the bar too. They blow and run away. Well,

1117
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: they make weird noises. Man, what kind of girls were

1118
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: you going? Oh bad? I don't think I meant it

1119
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: quite the way it sounded after I said, but sorry,

1120
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: moving on. Um No, I think that's some really good advice. Um. Yeah,

1121
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, even those times when you do

1122
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: screwed up, you go, you push in there and you

1123
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,840
Speaker 1: see the spook the buck, you learn something from that

1124
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 1: because you saw, yeah, I was right, he wasn't here,

1125
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: or you know, I you know, the assumptions I had

1126
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: about how this deer was operating, Yes, I can out

1127
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: confirm it, and those confirmations those settings, even though you

1128
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: spooked him and maybe you don't get to kill him.

1129
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: This here, you just added a really important piece of

1130
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: the puzzle to your you know, your knowledge bank that

1131
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: you can apply for years in the future because you

1132
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: learned something important about that dear and how mature deer operate. Um,

1133
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: So I think it's really important. You know, we haven't

1134
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 1: we talked about this all time, but really looking at

1135
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: those situations where you quote unquote fail and finding what

1136
00:58:55,560 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: you can learn from that. And I failed every day

1137
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: or every time I'm out in the woods. There's you

1138
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: can never you very rarely have the perfect time. You know,

1139
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: if you kill the deer year after and that and

1140
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: that sit on that day, that's the perfect time. But

1141
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: you don't kill a big deer or a deer you're

1142
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: going after every time you step into the woods, so

1143
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: you gotta lose sometimes. Yeah, that's that's why they call

1144
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: it hunting and not shooting. In fact. Yeah, well, I

1145
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: think we could probably keep talking about different things along

1146
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,479
Speaker 1: these lines for now. It's gonna be the first ever

1147
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: end of the year two hour episode. It could be,

1148
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna cut it off because we could talk

1149
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: for two hours. But this is gonna be our our

1150
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: first one hour end of the year episode for two

1151
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: thousand fourteen, and uh, we'll soon be We'll be in

1152
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen here soon, so real quick. I gotta

1153
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: know this one because it's on the show notes funniest

1154
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: moment or embarrassing moment in the past year. Give it

1155
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: to me right, as short short as you can. Gosh,

1156
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: that's the issue is I wrote that and then I

1157
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: I totally can't think of my moment. Now you put

1158
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: a little note there, GP, So that was that was

1159
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: my fallback story if you if you try to ask

1160
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: this one. UM, I thought of a store funny story

1161
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: that me and my dad had talked about while we

1162
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: were hunting from the past year. Um, I can tell

1163
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: you that funny story if you still want. But I

1164
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: just I know there's some dumb stuff I did this year.

1165
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: I just can't remember off the top of my head. Um,

1166
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: but it was it how how you were conceived? You know.

1167
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,640
Speaker 1: That's no, I'm not gonna tell that story. But unfortunately

1168
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: I do know a little bit about that. I don't

1169
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: really want to know. Um, but do you have one?

1170
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't have a good one. I got it. I

1171
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: got a good one, let's hear. So I was on

1172
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: I was regular this year. And when I mean regular,

1173
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,560
Speaker 1: I mean I had to go at the same time

1174
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: almost every day, number two, you know what I mean.

1175
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: And I had I broke a personal record this year

1176
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: most poops from a tree stand without getting down. So

1177
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: and that's and that's as a cameraman. Oh my gosh.

1178
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: So Ryan had to witness. I guess he didn't watch

1179
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 1: me do it. He had his back turn, he could

1180
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: have peaked, but that poor guy. But yeah, I uh,

1181
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: I dropped deuce from That's pretty incredible. So that brings

1182
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: up a funny story. Um, that didn't happen to me.

1183
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: But one of my good buddies that I hunt with. Um,

1184
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: so we're we're up north at my family hunting camp

1185
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: and he'll probably kill me for telling the story. But

1186
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: he's out there sitting out in the middle of the woods,

1187
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: way back in the deep woods of northern Michigan. And

1188
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, we drink this really stiff, nasty coffee, black

1189
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: coffee in the morning before we got hunting, so obviously

1190
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: it gets your digestive track move m. So he's out

1191
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: there sitting way back in the woods and he gets

1192
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: that feeling and he's like, oh man, I I gotta go.

1193
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: And he goes rummaging through his pack and he realized

1194
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: he forgot his TP so in his Panic, and this

1195
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: is like a serious situation in his Panic. He had

1196
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: to rip off all of his boxers except for like

1197
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: a little loincloth just covering a little bit, and just

1198
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: the elastic band around the front to take care of it.

1199
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: And then he comes walking in a couple of hours

1200
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: later in the camp and he's got this funny look

1201
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 1: on his face. I'm like, what are you smirking about?

1202
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: And he just kind of pulls up his shirt and

1203
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: just shows just all he has an elastic band hanging

1204
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: out over his hips. It was horrible. Yeah, I had

1205
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: used I had to take off one of my layers

1206
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 1: of socks and my feet got cold. But poopy butt

1207
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 1: is not. I mean, cold feet is better than poopy butt. Yeah,

1208
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: and I can't believe something. How do we get on

1209
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: this topic here? Like how did this happen? Hey? I

1210
01:02:56,440 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: told a funny story. Yeah yeah, Well, well there goes

1211
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: the sponsors, there goes everything, really, there goes the whole show. Well,

1212
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: it's been a great run here, guys, we'll never see

1213
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: you again. Been a good year. But Dan started talking

1214
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: about wiping this butt with socks and then we had

1215
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: to shut it down. Oh geez, Well, I think this

1216
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: is a perfect way to end two thousand fourteen. We've

1217
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: got some big things coming up to man. I I

1218
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: we talked about the next some of the next guests,

1219
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: and I know if you're a guy, you're gonna love

1220
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: the next guest. So there's that. That's all I'm gonna say.

1221
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 1: We've got We've got some good guests coming up coming.

1222
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: We've got some exciting new things we're gonna try out

1223
01:03:38,440 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: with the podcast in the new year, and and a

1224
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: lot of stuff. But before we start talking about the

1225
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: future podcast, there's probably one thing that a lot of

1226
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,720
Speaker 1: people are wondering about, which is our big giveaway Christmas

1227
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: giveaway that we announced on the last episode. We have

1228
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: seventeen different winners and we have picked those winners today.

1229
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: So Dan, can hear your best drum roll impression here

1230
01:04:01,640 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: before I started announcing our winners. Well, I'm not going

1231
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: to give you a drum roll, but you're a you're

1232
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: a star wars NERD right. Oh yeah, I love Star Wars. Okay,

1233
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: so how about this Superman, isn't it that is not

1234
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: super that's not Star Wars, that's Superman. I think, Oh

1235
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: well that just tells you how much I know. Was Okay? Well, anyway, Superman,

1236
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: you could have done like a do that would have

1237
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: been it? Just like this? Yeah, that's probably best. All right? Perfect.

1238
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: Our twelve Wired to Hunt hat winners are and I'm

1239
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 1: gonna butcher some of these names. Twelve people winning hats

1240
01:04:52,120 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 1: read Lizer, Brett Diffen, David Baldridge, Paul Sign, ms Or Seams,

1241
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: t J Dennis, Joseph Zimmerman, Andrew Prosser, Sam Bates, Jason Rude,

1242
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: Jacob Jacob Pruett, Josh Schaefer, and Chris Rogers. There's our

1243
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: twelve hat winners. So and f y I for all

1244
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: the winners, I'm going to send you all a Facebook

1245
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: message and get your address information and we'll figure out

1246
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: how to send this stuff to you. So look for

1247
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 1: a note for me coming soon. Our next winner gets

1248
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 1: a one year subscription to HUNTSFT, which is really cool

1249
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: internet program allows you put in all your trail camera

1250
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: images and analyze all the data. One year subscription. The

1251
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: winner is Kyle Spencer. Kyle Spencer, big winner. Now we've

1252
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: got a dozen Carbon Express Mayhem Hunter arrows, really nice arrows.

1253
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: Shout him for a couple of years. The winner of

1254
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 1: a dozen arrows from Carbon Express is Lindsay. This is

1255
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: Lindsay Zislman. I think or Zeiselman or Zazelman maybe something

1256
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: like that. So Lindsay you were the big winner. Next up,

1257
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: we've got a Big and J Prize package with some

1258
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: of the Big and J B B Squared and their

1259
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: new mineral meltdown product. Cool stuff there. The winner of

1260
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 1: the Big and J Prize package is Chris Rogers. Chris, Yes,

1261
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: that's the one. I've got two final winners here. This

1262
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 1: last one here's for a Redneck te post feeder. So

1263
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: this is a cool feeder for corn or some kind

1264
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: of attracting that you can hang on a tree or

1265
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:44,800
Speaker 1: a t post. The winner for the Redneck tea post

1266
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: feeder is Reuben Dort or doubt Reuben. And finally, last

1267
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: but not least, the winner of the Redneck Outdoors Portable

1268
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: hunting chair which I was, which my dad was sitting

1269
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 1: in when he killed his buck a week and a

1270
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: half ago. Um, not the one we're giving away but

1271
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: a chair. The winner of a Redneck Portable hunting chair

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Speaker 1: is Jake huff Jacoff. So there it is. There's our winners,

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Speaker 1: seventeen of you guys. We'll be getting some pretty cool prizes.

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Speaker 1: Here in the mail is our thank you for sticking

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Speaker 1: with us this year and enjoining the podcast with us

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Speaker 1: for you know, thirty seven episodes. Well, it just seems

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Speaker 1: like we started this thing yesterday, I know. So as

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Speaker 1: far as two thousand and fourteen is concerned, I've had

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Speaker 1: an absolute blast doing this. Thank you for letting me

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Speaker 1: be a part of it, Mark, And I'm pretty excited

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Speaker 1: for two thousand and fifteen. Yeah, Hey, it's uh, it's

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Speaker 1: been incredible. I'm glad that you were able to join

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Speaker 1: us for this, dan Um, it's been awesome and having

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Speaker 1: a co host, and I think most importantly, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've got to thank the listeners who have that's the

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Speaker 1: big one. They've really you know, stuck with us through

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Speaker 1: all the crazy stuff we talked about and the weird

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Speaker 1: words I say over and over again, and and uh

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Speaker 1: stories and the interesting episodes and maybe the not as

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Speaker 1: interesting episodes, and for giving us great feedback and advice

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Speaker 1: and sharing your stories and and just being a part

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Speaker 1: of the Wired Hunt Nation. Um, gosh, we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like Dan said, this has been absolute blast. Um.

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Speaker 1: I never expected when we launched the podcast that it

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Speaker 1: would have um such a I had no idea it

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Speaker 1: would be quite so well received. We've got such good feedback.

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Speaker 1: And I just got an email the other day from

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Speaker 1: someone who said, you know, it's totally changed how they

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Speaker 1: hunt and it's changed their life. Now. They might have

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Speaker 1: been exaggerating, but they said that in the email. UM,

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Speaker 1: so that's kind of cool. And UM, you know, I

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Speaker 1: keep hearing from more and more people saying, hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what I learned on the podcast has helped me

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Speaker 1: so much, help me get a get a deer. Someone

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Speaker 1: someone just emailed me today, Dan, who said they wanted

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Speaker 1: to send in their success story because our late season

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Speaker 1: advice from our episodes helped them kill late season Buck.

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Speaker 1: So awesome, It's awesome. Yeah. I love that we're able

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Speaker 1: to help people. And UM, you know, we're just gonna

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Speaker 1: keep on doing it, and we're gonna keep our doing

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Speaker 1: our best and we'll keep on getting better. And I

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Speaker 1: hope in two thousand fifteen this podcast is going to

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Speaker 1: be awesome, So thank you everyone out there listening. UM.

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Speaker 1: As always, be sure to visit were to hunt dot

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Speaker 1: com slash episode thirty seven for show notes and links

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Speaker 1: from today's episode. We'll have some different links to things

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Speaker 1: that we've talked about, UM, Dan, I think you mentioned

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Speaker 1: that one podcast episode, will make sure to link that. UM.

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Speaker 1: Also a little update, UM that I haven't mentioned before.

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Speaker 1: You know, right now you can listen to the podcast

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Speaker 1: on the website or on iTunes on your phone or tablet.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me and getting the hiccups here, UM, but you

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Speaker 1: can also now listen to the Weird Hunt podcast on

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Speaker 1: an app called Stitcher, and Stitcher is available on Android phones.

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Speaker 1: So right now you know you can listen to the

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Speaker 1: podcast on your podcast app if you have an iPhone.

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Speaker 1: But now if you download the Stitcher app, which is

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Speaker 1: spelled s t I T C h e er Stitcher,

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Speaker 1: you can get that in your app store. If you've

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Speaker 1: got an Android phone, you can now get the podcast

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Speaker 1: right in your phone your tablet, um, if you're an

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Speaker 1: Android device user. So that should make things a lot

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Speaker 1: easier for all of you out there that don't own

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Speaker 1: Apple devices. Finally, we'd also like to thank our partners

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Speaker 1: who helped make this show possible, who have made this

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Speaker 1: such a great year. Um, if it weren't for partners,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't do this so big thank you too, Sick

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Speaker 1: of Gear, Trophy, Ridge Bear Archery, Redneck Blinds, Carbon Express Arrows,

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Speaker 1: Hunt Soft Lacrosse Boots, Big and J Longer Attractings, and

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Speaker 1: the White Tail Institute of North America. So that being said,

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Speaker 1: and for all of you out there who are playing along,

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Speaker 1: that means time to take a drink. This is our

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Speaker 1: last show of the year, so again, thank you all,

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Speaker 1: so so so much. Happy New Year, God bless and

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Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.