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Speaker 1: versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear

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Speaker 1: He's having some trouble with the zipp around his shorts.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering if you'd like to talk about this

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Speaker 1: provide enough opening. Yes, now someone might see where I

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Speaker 1: Very disappointed. He's returning these short m hmm. I've had

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Speaker 1: But because the waist up like a lower as neck tattoo.

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Speaker 1: But buyer, beware of short zippers. I might be revealing

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Speaker 1: too much here. Am I the only person that when

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Speaker 1: But yet I don't know. You might be younger. You

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Speaker 1: Yanni was raised during an era of generous zippers, big

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Speaker 1: long zippers. What what what? What's happened? Then? People got tight?

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Speaker 1: People got tight? Well, I'll say what's happened in this country?

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Speaker 1: People got tight with zipper material. Phil joined today by

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Speaker 1: historian Ted Blue Daniel Boone his story like the first

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Speaker 1: frontier historian, former professor in the history department of Franklin University.

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Speaker 1: That's because you retired, not because you got fired or anything.

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Speaker 1: Right now, it's a Murray State University. Why does it

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Speaker 1: say Franklin Universe? Because I Franklin is my middle name.

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Speaker 1: Your middle name, I knew that that was my fault.

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Speaker 1: And I don't have my own university. I'm working on that,

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Speaker 1: you know, like a universe. Thinking about the zipper issue,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, you know, Daniel Boone had a loincloth and

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Murray State Universe. Yeah, they'll appreciate that better.

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Speaker 1: Back home we started on school. I didn't roll, man,

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Speaker 1: I'd do a double major. Well, thank you you and

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Speaker 1: major major and Boone and Kenton, Daniel Boone and the

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Speaker 1: miner and Simon Kenton and a banjo player. Did I

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Speaker 1: mention that already? Yeah? I did that for several years.

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Speaker 1: anything like that. And so did you die with dignity

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Speaker 1: around it that might cause it to get tangled up,

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00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: and just rigged very much to keep the thing alive.

423
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: Caboris ranks, folks. I thought it was interesting that the

424
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: one guy wrote in from somewhere in the desert southwest

425
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: as a trapper, and he said that it's very important

426
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: for them to use them, not because they like, you know,

427
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: for some sort of animal welfare, but because in their conditions,

428
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: if they use a kill snare, that can lose that

429
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: animal in the matter of hours. But if it's kept alive,

430
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 1: then they can dispatch it. And when when I said,

431
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: when I say lose the animal, like, they would lose

432
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: the hide because of the hot conditions. So they use

433
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: that type of snare so that preserves the hide. You

434
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 1: want something else, that guy said, He said, I would

435
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: be lying if I said I wasn't a little disappointed

436
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 1: that a fellow trapper wouldn't know the difference. But we

437
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: will forgive you on this one. Can't uh here, here's

438
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: a good story Krim was telling me about. Someone sent

439
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: this to us. There's a guy in May. This is

440
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: this is this is a real conundrum. I don't have

441
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: I don't have an opinion. Real conundrum. A guy in

442
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Maine builds a house float Basically, it's like a shed

443
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: on a raft. I mean, it's pretty sweet looking, like

444
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: you could sleep in it. You can. He builds like

445
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: a raft, puts a shed on it. In southeast Alaska,

446
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: they're everywhere. Well, this is not there, though, but this

447
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: is where it gets rich. Builds a raft, builds a

448
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 1: shed on it so you can hang out and sleep

449
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: in there, puts a little upper deck on there with

450
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: a cable like railing for like a deck, brings it

451
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: out to the local lake and says, hey, you're allowed

452
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,479
Speaker 1: to take a boat wherever you want an anchor it,

453
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: and just moves into it, much to the consternation of

454
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: people that live around the lake. Other houses on the

455
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: lake don't seem to bother them, but they are very

456
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 1: perturbed that this guy is living on their leg in

457
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: his raft shed. His argument is that show me where

458
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm not allowed to anchor a boat anywhere I want.

459
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: It's public water. I don't have an opinion about it. Yeah,

460
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: kind of rooting for the guy. Two. But then he

461
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: says one person says how he docked up a few

462
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: hundred feet for their house and spent the whole summer partying.

463
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: Someone claimed he had like people in and out that day,

464
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: and he said he had never had more than I

465
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: think a couple. And he said anyone on the lake

466
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: is welcome to come out bring their kids and jump

467
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: off the roof. It's open to anyone to party. They

468
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: say he can have as many as sixteen boats tied

469
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: up to it at once. But I don't know what

470
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: the hell kind of boats they're talking about. He says

471
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: that's not true. Anyways, they're going after they're trying to

472
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: pass the ordinance. Now about mooring, I don't have an

473
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: opinion about it. Now, I grew up on a little lake.

474
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: If some yeah, if somebody an if someone, it's okay.

475
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: But if all of a sudden there was a hundred,

476
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: I'd say, as long as the guy doesn't have a

477
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: stereo going like twelve hours a day. But if there's

478
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: all of sudden, you can't go. You can't go water

479
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: ski because there's too many float houses. Oh sure, you

480
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: think this guy will attract like a bunch more people

481
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: like it'll catch you think about it. You can't afford

482
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: the house that's on the shore because it's a million bucks,

483
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: But you can build yourself a little house float for

484
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, k I'm guessing you could do pretty good.

485
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: Karn likes the Oh he's got it on pontoon floats dead.

486
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's pretty cool. Alright, it's

487
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: like Ted Kazinski. It's like Ted Kazinski's place on floats.

488
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 1: That's a it's a real conundrum. May they did the

489
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: mask of they socially distant? I do not know. They

490
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: don't get into that level detail. And they don't get

491
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: into waste disposal. M Ellsworth, Maine. I'm sure he's got

492
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: a composting to If you live near Ellsworth, Maine, I

493
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: would I would go out and party with this gentleman.

494
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: Quietly party with this gentleman so he doesn't get in

495
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: more trouble. He's got kids out there with them. If

496
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I was living out there, I might think about quickly

497
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: building one myself, getting it out there, because then you'd

498
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: be grandfathered in. Get out there now. Yeah, once they

499
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: make those those rules, you know nobody else you'll have

500
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: one of the two because you have a wood stove,

501
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: and oh yeah, it'd be great. Idea. Let me get

502
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: you there. Another correction, but I don't feel like getting

503
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: into by why to talk about the nature of the correction.

504
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: So this whole dog, like this whole german. If you've

505
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: been listening to the show, this whole like people just

506
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: a bicker in about attributes of obscured German hunting dog breeds.

507
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they wear me out, man. Yeah, there's

508
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: basically between Uh, German wire hair pointers and a dog

509
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: is called a jow hour. I believe it's how you

510
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: pronounce it. It's like, well, actually the draw th hour

511
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: has thirteen beard hairs upon birth, and the German wire

512
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: hair ranges from nine to eleven beard hairs. This is like,

513
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: oh my god, it never ends, man, dog, I have not.

514
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: Our our next door neighbors had aim, remember, and it

515
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: it held all the time. Whenever there'd be a cyrene

516
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: in Orlando, there would be a lot of syrens and

517
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: my dog would go. My father would go out and

518
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: his underwear and it's pretty the hose across the lugust

519
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: from my hedge and try to quiet that dog now.

520
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: And uh. The lady her name was Irene will lead

521
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: the last name anonymous. But but but she saw my

522
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: dad out there and his undershort spraying the hose and

523
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: didn't realize that that was my dad. And so she

524
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: called my mom and said, Mara, I don't want to

525
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: scare you, but there's a man outside and there's underpants

526
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: and she goes, thank you, Irene, Frank get in here

527
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: so now, But it's a wimer rammer. Are they bird dogs?

528
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: I believe so well. I mean it's like Ronnie does

529
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: have Ronnie baby does have one in his in his correction,

530
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: which which you just have to explain it next time

531
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: you're on Ronnie. But he does have one thing they

532
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: never do. See. He's back to this sharpness and hardness test.

533
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: There's some debate amongst the German hunting dog community about

534
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: whether this is fact or fiction about making your dog

535
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: duke it out with various small mammals, various midsized mammals.

536
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 1: Ranny points out that the sharpness these are sharpness tests

537
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: or hardness tests. You never do it on a test day.

538
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: It's separate from a test day. He goes down to

539
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: say this, the fox part is in the test, did

540
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: danielle Oh, here's the other update the dog. You know,

541
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: Daniel is donating the dog to our auction house oddities

542
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: which started this whole. That dog is now pregnant. What

543
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: do you call it when you're pregnant and they put

544
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: that little wand over your belly. Sot the mother of

545
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: the puppy that was gonna be auctioned off for the

546
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: puppy that was gonna be auctioned off as already pregnant. No, no,

547
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: no, no no, the dog that will burd the puppy that

548
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: we will auction off in the auction house of oddities.

549
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: The way you just said, it can't sound like a

550
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: puppy was was pregnant? No Irish Irish puppy was that

551
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: old joke Irish twins? Anyhow? Uh? What was I getting? That?

552
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: The dog's pregnant, the puppy is on its way. There's

553
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: at least five of them in there. They did a

554
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: ultrasound on the dog, and that guy is talking about

555
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: all this German dog stuff, which I like. But Ronnie

556
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: goes on to say this, here's the test that they

557
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: do that involves a dead fox. Okay, get yourself dead fox,

558
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: tie it to a chord, give that cord to a judge.

559
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: The judge then drags the fox two. You can tell

560
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: where talking about European stuff because it's a meters not yards.

561
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: Drags a fox two and leaves it behind a rail

562
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: or a crawl of sorts. Okay, drag the dead fox

563
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: all around, put it in a crowd. The dog gets

564
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: there by nose, which Ronnie says is not a big deal.

565
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: But what is a big deal is the dog has

566
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: to jump into the corral, gray the dead fox out

567
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: of there, jump out and return it to their owner handler.

568
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: That test is referred to as the fox in a box.

569
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: And he goes on to say true ship. There so

570
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: no doubt. Someone right in to tell us how that's

571
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: not actually true, And I think maybe we need to

572
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: That sounds like some doctors ship. Actually that should be

573
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 1: another shirt. We should make shirt foxing socks in a box.

574
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Do the the macro fructification T shirts coming along nicely?

575
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like a hundred What are you waving off? Ted?

576
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: Again is wondering what we're talking about. It doesn't matter

577
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: because because that's the last thing and now we're getting

578
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: back in. But I'm saying I was just like waving

579
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: him off, as in like the macto, I can't pronounce it. Well,

580
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: I've got a question, Steve, because you're you've been saying

581
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: it more correctly. Are we getting the Do the T

582
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: shirts have the incorrect to word on it macro fructation

583
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: or do they have the real one, which was macro fruit?

584
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: What would be a better What would be a better?

585
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Better T shirt would be the email chain of people

586
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: arguing about this. Okay, I eventually what was the consensus.

587
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: My role here, my role here at the company allows

588
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: me to have final say on on certain things, and

589
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: I and and uh and one of those things was

590
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: what this T shirt would say on it. I felt

591
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: that I was so close to right that I wanted

592
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: to have the right word. So the shirt is a

593
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: collection of beautiful mushrooms, a sketch of a collection of

594
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: beautiful mushrooms. And it says simply macro fructification, not macro fructation.

595
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Because the problem is it's so my bad word, my

596
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: wrong word was so close to the right word that

597
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 1: it's not really like, not that funny anymore. And even agreed,

598
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 1: he's like then it just as confusing. It's only like

599
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,399
Speaker 1: a hundred of these shirts. We're gonna sell them. They'll

600
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: be gone in an instant. We'll need to do has

601
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: been has it been designed yet? Designs sharp looking shirts? Okay,

602
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: I was going to make a suggestion, there's that's too bad.

603
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: We need we'll need to make more. I think the

604
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: demands it's a hundred forty four because they sell them

605
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: by the dozens. Apparently eggs traps and apparently T shirts

606
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: are sold by the dozen. Well, we get more in

607
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: if they get sold out quickly. No, it's a one off.

608
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: What's what's the price on these? A few hundred bucks

609
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: of hocks? You know what? I feel like there's a

610
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: lot of demand for and we should do again since

611
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: we're on it. No tell me T shirts is a

612
00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: block T shirt rip off? A hundred forty? Were those

613
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: buggers Fox in the Box is going to it would

614
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: be Ronnie flip blocks. See now just to clear up now,

615
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: now we're back to talking to you. Yeah, great, it's uh.

616
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm glad I came up from Kentucky to hear about

617
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: all this. It's uh. But that that's that's that's good

618
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: because I've never been to Montana. I've never been this

619
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: close to Canada, you know, like I wanted to thing

620
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: maybe has some Neil Young angst or something. And yeah,

621
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: I know you're saying Darryl Hannah, maybe you know she'd

622
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: been to Canada' bet with. I've seen Gordon Lightfoot twice live.

623
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: Really Yeah, he had a great guitarist back in the sixties,

624
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Red Shake, great acoustic guitars. He did, like if you

625
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: could read my mind the guitar parts read Steve, I'm

626
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: reading your mind. Tell us what a long hunter was. Yeah,

627
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: a long hunter was a professional hunter that across the Alleghenis,

628
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: across the Blue Ridge. They came from western Virginia, western

629
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: North Carolina, eastern Tennessee. They supplanted the Indian in the

630
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: deer skin trade. And it could be either seasonal your

631
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: hunt deer, or it could be year round. You can also,

632
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: like Boon did, by the second and third frost, you

633
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: start trapping beaver and then as the season rolls around again,

634
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: you kind of switch off and by April May you're

635
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: you're killing deer again. But yeah, it was a They're

636
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: kind of like the fore runners to the mountain men.

637
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: But of course the mountain men there. Number one quarry

638
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: is what the Rocky Mountain trappers wanted what and for

639
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: the long hunter, the number one quarry was the deer. Yeah,

640
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: white tailed deer. And uh. And in both case his

641
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: fashion drove it and uh and it was male fashion

642
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: and male fashion, male fashion, I mean women, you know,

643
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: you know they had some deer skin dresses, I guess

644
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: and whatever and uh, but yeah, it was it was breaches, saddles, shoes, gloves,

645
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: the fancy yellow pumps she wanted to wear. We went

646
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: ballroom dancing, and uh, they were taking out deer literally

647
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: by that they were making shoes. They were making like

648
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: pump shoes with deer hide. Yeah, typically died yellow. Ye.

649
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: It was a huge It was a huge industry in London.

650
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, London was was actually the one of the

651
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: global centers of white tailed deer processing. And yeah, and

652
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: and there was a number it was a cottage industry.

653
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: There was a number of tanneries of course in the

654
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: American colonies as well. And it was kind of ad hoc.

655
00:39:55,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: It wasn't as well. Awkrutizes out a word as like

656
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: the Hudson's Bay Company which begins in sixteen seventy and

657
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: that really is uh well smoothly oiled. And you know,

658
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: you had a kind of a pack order of who's

659
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna control it. You had particulous record keeping. Yeah, and

660
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe they even had like it was unionized like gilded

661
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: and you even had laws as far as like high requirements.

662
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: You had weight requirements, religious requirements. You could union it

663
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: was like in your contract you had to pause every

664
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: hour and smoke your pipe. It would be fine and

665
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: let the boyage. You're singing in the Creative Boi. And

666
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 1: you know you had really like those French Canadian beaver trappers.

667
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: The guys had like had like in their contracts. Man,

668
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: every hour we can we can stop and sing our

669
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: chances And I don't know what they're saying. How used

670
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: to you know Alotta? Oh yeah, I'll tell you exactly

671
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: what they used to sing. I grew up in Michigan, man,

672
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: we studied all this stuff. Yeah it paddle your canoe along.

673
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: We studied this stuff in the core SI and uh yeah.

674
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: But but you never had anything like that with with

675
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: the Mountain I accuse me with with the with the

676
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: Long Hunters and um, and there was never any like

677
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: with the Rocky Mountain papers. You know, you would have

678
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: your Manuel Liza's and your John jacob as stores and

679
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: people that really hit the Jackpott and became and you

680
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: never really quite had that with the Long Hunters. But

681
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: ultimately there's that that's an interesting point you're bringing up

682
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: that um not only it's like so decentralized, but like

683
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: America's first millionaire was a guy that got involved in

684
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: the beaver trade. But I never thought about that that

685
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: with all this like in that boon era of the

686
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: white tail hunters, didn't they weren't like producing millionaires at

687
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: least not at least not ones. We know that that's true. Well,

688
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: what was he the first millionaire? I thought it was

689
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: George Washington, but he did it on the land. No,

690
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: I thought ast was America's first million crank can find

691
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,280
Speaker 1: out for us when you get off at Astor Place

692
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: in New York the subway station Aster Place subway station,

693
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: there's beavers in the tile work. Wow. Yeah, yeah, there's

694
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: beavers in the tile work of the subway station New York,

695
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: at Astroplace. I spent so much time in that subway station.

696
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: Well you're looking the wrong way. Yeah, you're facing out

697
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: watching the rats fund in the little track area. That's

698
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: what I like, standing and watch those rats are in around. Well,

699
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: that was that was the big money area era area.

700
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 1: You know, you had the you had the Dutch there,

701
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: and um, you know, the beaver and the Bible it

702
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: just kind of are really critically important to the settlement

703
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: of America, particularly the beaver in that area. And so yeah,

704
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: what was the air like, what were the years when

705
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: the long hunters like Boone were most active in their hunting. Yeah,

706
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: it's really short. You really could kind of sandwich it

707
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: in between between the like the very end of the

708
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: Prince and Indian War seventeen sixty two, seventeen sixty three,

709
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: right in there to about the very beginning the first

710
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: s of the American Revolution. If you're gonna put that

711
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: in movie terms, think like from the last the Mohicans

712
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: to the Patriot Like right in there you have the

713
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: long hunter period and the real heyday really is quite brief,

714
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,959
Speaker 1: and it's fairly well defined from about seventeen sixty nine

715
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 1: about seventeen seventy two seventy three. So I mean it's

716
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,919
Speaker 1: a tiny span. Now you always had market hunters four years. Yeah, well,

717
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean that you know, when you start drawing delinea

718
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 1: delineations like that, you're gonna get people that know it's

719
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: not right. You always had market hunters and market hunting.

720
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: I mean that that goes back a long way. But

721
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: as far as like the classic period of seventeen sixty

722
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: eight sixty nine, that's when you had the big furb

723
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: gads coming in that that weren't boom wasn't necessarily part

724
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: of that boon hunted far more solitary, which is brother's

725
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: brother in law, you know, Kith and ken. I kind

726
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: of thank a few neighbors for camp tenders. But you

727
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: had guys like James Knox coming up from the New

728
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: River Valley of uh, Virginia and not comes in with

729
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: twenty two twenty three men and uh you know they

730
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: engaged in deer shooting, like twenty three guys going hunt

731
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: white tails. Yeah, and they're each bringing in and these

732
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: are pack horsemen. These aren't guys coming in a little backpacks.

733
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: They're not out there just trekking around. They're coming in, uh,

734
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: bringing in each two to three two to three uh

735
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: pack horses, each with all their traps and so forth.

736
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: And these are hand forged double long spring traps. And

737
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: that's the difference to in the the Indian method. The

738
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Indians are hunting the fur bearers, you know, they're gigging them,

739
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: they're shooting them. Well, uh, whites were trapping them. And

740
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: this is when you really have the development of like

741
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: the long spring traff the double long spring traf um.

742
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: But their hand Fortunately before you have you know, like

743
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: Oneida and Victory of those kind of folks. So they

744
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: were equally trappers as much as they were hunters. They

745
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: could be you know, I think Boone and people tend

746
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 1: to overlook this. I think Boone was addicted to beaver trapping,

747
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: and I throughout his live almost at the very end,

748
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: he would still go out there and trap beaver. Yeah,

749
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: trap beaver and otter in wintertime and you know, beaver. Again,

750
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: it was the fashion that drove it, and particularly in Europe,

751
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: because the European beaver was pretty well trapped out by

752
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds, and so you know, wanting to wear

753
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: a a beaver fur felt hat. You can even read

754
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: about him in Chaucer and Shakespeare, and so it was

755
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: really a cultural thing. So that really drove the beaver industry.

756
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: Of course, by that's if you talk about the Rocky

757
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: mountain travers, that's when you have the fashion switched to

758
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: silk and that ends that. But but that's really a

759
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: a thriving dynamo during Boone's period as well, the beaver

760
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: for felt hat and and then the deer skins, and

761
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: so yeah, you could be seasonal, just go for the deer.

762
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: Typically it would be about from April through about the

763
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: second or third frost. They wanted the deer skins. I'm

764
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: talking about the actual skin when the skin was thin

765
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: because the tanning processes of the day, Uh, you know,

766
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: they weren't using big chemical tanning vats. They if you've

767
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: got the skins um tan, and you could they had

768
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: three different levels of skin uh gradation. You could get

769
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: them grained. That meant that they were fully processed tand

770
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: ready to go. And that could be either if you

771
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: got them through the Indian trade a brain tan or

772
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: through the White trade typically an oak tand of some type.

773
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: Or they were even using a salt alum or you

774
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: could get them half dressed. Uh. That meant that you

775
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: and this is what Boone and those guys are doing.

776
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: The long hunters were half dressing the skins, meaning that

777
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: they would go out. You know, they shoot the deer.

778
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: They deherent like with the courrier and eye for a

779
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: what do they call them drawn eye? Drawn eye? Yeah,

780
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: and and uh and then they whip it over a

781
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: steaking board until you break down the epidermal era. And

782
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: then you would get about fifty and you could fall

783
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: them up and you put them in a bear skin.

784
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: And so they were typically wrapped in bundles of fifty

785
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 1: and like when the long hunters would go out, they

786
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 1: go out oftentimes in a team like locks I said,

787
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: he go on guys. That's a lot of guys with horses.

788
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: And they would have a big base camp where they

789
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: meet about every two weeks, and then they would establish

790
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,479
Speaker 1: small what would refer to as out camps. We would

791
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: think of been a little satellite camps. Uh and even

792
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: boom when they first go to Kentucky the first time

793
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: they had a base camp, and then they would have

794
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: about six or eight satellite camps and you would team

795
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: up would be you know, Steve and you honest. They

796
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 1: go out and hopefully they don't get mad about something.

797
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,399
Speaker 1: They hunt and do their thing, and then every two

798
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: weeks they bring them back to the camp and they

799
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: would wrap them up in um year excuse me. They

800
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: would wrap them up in bear hides, and they would

801
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: put them up on scaffolds. You know, typically log scaffolds

802
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: about eight twelve feet off all the ground because of

803
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: what keeps stuff out of them. Yeah, like what bears

804
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: bears wolves right, and a lot of times too, they

805
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: would put um dried buffalo hides. They would stretch those

806
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: over the top, like a hairy piece of plywood or something,

807
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: because that would be part of it. You would you know,

808
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: tilt and kind of deflected the ray. But it would

809
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: also keep the buzzers out because the buzzers would land

810
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 1: in and they would claw into them as well. So yeah,

811
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: it was all kind of uh, I mean, it was.

812
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: It was. It was a hazardous underfry enterprise. It was.

813
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: It was extremely hard. It was arduous. You know, people

814
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: tend to look at these folks like, you know, like

815
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 1: that like the Daniel day Lewis type or something that

816
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: you know that these are hard working guys. It's there's

817
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,280
Speaker 1: a lot of ways to die out there. The business

818
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: itself is very very hard. You can lose your profits

819
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: either through you know, rain, maybe a bear claws into it.

820
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: Um things are stolen, like by the Indians, and that

821
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 1: happened to Boone several times, you know, particularly like in

822
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,760
Speaker 1: his first big long hunt to Kentucky in seventeen sixty

823
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: nine to seventeen seventy one, Boon's robbed two three times

824
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 1: by Indians. He goes back after be on the trail

825
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: literally from May of seventeen sixty nine to May of

826
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: seventeen seventy one, he goes back to the Yadkin Valley

827
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: through Rebecca and goes, well, we're broker than when I left. Yeah,

828
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: he had two small fortunes stolen from him on that trip, right, Yeah,

829
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: But he had seen Kentucky, and he knew the way in,

830
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: and he had explored it more than any white man

831
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: in the settlements. And so that's kind of paves away,

832
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: you know, whether providentially or by chance or however people

833
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: want to interpret that for Boon, what you know, he

834
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: becomes the great uh Icon, the first true frontier hero.

835
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: Can you explain real quick? Just to back up a

836
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: little bit when you talk about that short period, that

837
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: short heyday of long hunters. So these are like hunters

838
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: that would do these months long, maybe years long trips

839
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 1: over the Appalachians. What do you say from your where

840
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: you're from? Do you go Apple Achians? I Appalachian? Uh?

841
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: That's New Orleans and New Orleans. I mean it depends

842
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: on where you're Probably Appellatian to fine Blue Ridge. We

843
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: probably over the Blue Ridge. Yes, that's moral timy, very

844
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: so it's a very fine. It's very short period. What

845
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: was it about the French and Indian War that allowed

846
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: it to open up? Was it we that we that

847
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: the American colonists had uh displaced the French out of

848
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: those areas, and that's what allowed the long hunters to

849
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: start hunting in there. Well it ended, That's what happened.

850
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know you have the bridge, like the

851
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,360
Speaker 1: blood bath ended. Yeah. By by seventeen sixty two, seventeen

852
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: sixty three, you um have the end of the French

853
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: and Indian War and you have relative of peace that's

854
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: uh established and the British established the Treaty of seventeen

855
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: sixty three, which ostensibly is to keep the colonists out

856
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: from the west. Nobody paid much attention to that, but

857
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: you had the Peace of Paris, uh and done in

858
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: London in Paris that and that ended the Seven Years War,

859
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: and so it was wide open. So relative peace was

860
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: established with the with the the Indians, particularly the Algonquins

861
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: that inhabited the land west of the Blue Ridge. But

862
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: also the French agreed to not you know that that

863
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: their land, I mean usurped. You know, the British gained

864
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: a huge amount of territory. They gained Louisiana. You know,

865
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: at least the Spanish yet and the British were possessors

866
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: now of the Ohio Valley. The Ohio Valley was was

867
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 1: like the big plum. You know. You had the French

868
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: coming in from the west, and then you had the

869
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: British who had established colonies along the tide water and uh,

870
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of fighting for the lakes. And so once

871
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 1: that period it's settled, and then it's open and you

872
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 1: can get in there without worrying so much about an

873
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: arrow in the back. Those wars, like both the revel

874
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: both the American Revolution and the French Indian War, we're like,

875
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: we're horribly bloody on the frontier. Yeah, and I mean

876
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: just the like the atrocities you read about that aren't

877
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: widely known. Oh man, it's brutally well. Just take the

878
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: American Revolution for example. Most people think, and you whether

879
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: you're listening to a television broadcast or you're reading a

880
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: book that go, well, you know, Corn Wallace surrender to

881
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: uh George Washington in October one, that's the end of

882
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: the American Revolution. Well, it was in the east, but

883
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: it certainly was not out west, you know, and by

884
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 1: out west, I mean Kentucky. Kentucky that was you know,

885
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: the Far West, and so that war continued, the American

886
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: revel Ousian for another year and a half. And um,

887
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: it's far more catches catch can You don't have manual

888
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: of arms training. Uh, you're training meaning you're getting behind trees.

889
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: You're fighting Indian style. Uh, there's no rules of war,

890
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: there's no real rules of engagement. You have Indian allies

891
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: that are both coming out of the Great Lakes, that

892
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: are being still supplied by the bridge up there in

893
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: Detroit and so forth. And you have now a lot

894
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: of French partisans that are that are part of that

895
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: as well. And you even had some ranger units from

896
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: the British Butler's Rangers. I mean, these guys were tough.

897
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: They were kind of like the British equivalent of the

898
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: American and earlier counterpart Rodgers Rangers. So yeah, it was bloody,

899
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: it was brutal and um and and but it was

900
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: just how life was it. It's inconceivable to most of

901
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: us today. And that's the thing. If you read the

902
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: first biography of Boone um John Philson's book, Uh, Presidents

903
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: State of Kentucky. Um, it's got a biographical account of

904
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:08,439
Speaker 1: Boone and one thing about it is how incredibly dark

905
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: and brooding and bloody it really was. Uh yeah, and

906
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: I were talking about We talked about this a couple

907
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: of times. The you see him when you watch the

908
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: old Frontiers and movies, are watching Boone stuff. You know,

909
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: he'll take his rifle out and split a bullet on

910
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: a hatchet whatnot? Right like what he called he called

911
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: his gun tick liquor right because he could shoot a

912
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: tick off. I've done I've done that. You can do that.

913
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: It's not a it's not an impossible fee and I've

914
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: done it. But how accurate could these guys have really been?

915
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: Because think about all the inconsistencies. The powder is inconsistent,

916
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: like these guys are making their own powder or buying it.

917
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: You're not measuring grains because it's different combustibilities. Like how

918
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 1: good could they have been? There are there any real

919
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: like are there any real assessments of how good they

920
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: were with these rifles? Like how far could they shoot

921
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: a deer? Well, probably the most famous long shot and

922
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't a deer, it was a British officer. It

923
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: was sure shot Timothy Murphy who shot a British officer

924
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: at about two d twenty five yards. Um. They were

925
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 1: just sitting out there on the horses and uh American

926
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: Revolution and Murphy came out there and kind of like

927
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: maybe lick the front site like the old Sergeant Albert

928
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: New York movie. I don't know, and uh put his

929
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: gun in a in a cock of a tree and

930
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: leveled down and these British was like, what's he gonna do?

931
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: And he killed him and then he killed the guy

932
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 1: next to him. That's around two twenty yards. UH. Typically

933
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: most folks aren't shooting at that kind of uh range.

934
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: But these men really knew their guns. I mean they

935
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: lived with their guns. This was this is a drill bit,

936
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: this was a hammer. This was their tool not only

937
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: of their occupation like in the case of Boone, but

938
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: it was a survival to well that you had to

939
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 1: know your gun to stay alive. And there's one account

940
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: of a rare war officer, Daniel Broadhead, who encounters a

941
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: number of Samuel Brady's men. Brady was a scalp. Little

942
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: is really written about him. He's, in his own way,

943
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of an unresolved Indian hater. His family was killed

944
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: by Indians. He had these UH men with him like

945
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 1: Lewis Wetzel, who were just really dangerous and scary. But

946
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: Broadhead comes across Brady's men and they challenge them to

947
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: a shooting match. And broadhead Men's are all using muskets,

948
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: and Brady's men's are using long rivals and they put

949
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: a keg out there about seventy or eighty yards. Can

950
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: you tell us the difference between a long rifle and

951
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: sure a musket is a smooth boar there it's like

952
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: a shotgun like a tube, and a rifle has rifling

953
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:05,720
Speaker 1: in the barrel like they're you know, they're grooves and lands.

954
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: And that was actually done uh by the Germans and

955
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: around fifteen fifteen sixty, and it was really incidental that

956
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with accuracy in the very beginning

957
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: that that had. It was it was kind of a

958
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: a fix on how do we fire these guns and

959
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 1: keep the black powder from smudging the barrel afterwards? Because

960
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: black powder, once you fire it, it's high grovescopic that

961
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 1: absorbs moisture, and so if you shoot it a few times,

962
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: particularly with the smooth board, you know, it can really

963
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: clunk up a barrel because you know, there's no place

964
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: for the fouling to go the soot, and so that

965
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: the Germans just cut grooves in the barrel, straight grooves

966
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: and to keep them so the fouling could go into

967
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: the grooves. And so that they did that and they

968
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: were like, wow, these sure shoot a lot better. And

969
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: then they spiraled a few of them, and they're like, wow,

970
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: they really shoot better. And so accidentally they figured out

971
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: from rife that's where rifling came from. So I rifling.

972
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I heard ill of it's

973
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: true or not, is that the spiraling came from just

974
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: wanting to increase the how much groove you could have,

975
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: that you could have more surface area of groove by

976
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: cutting spirals, and and there therefore house more burnt powder.

977
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: And then they hit on that idea that the bullet

978
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: was spinning nights and shooting acker. I don't even know

979
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: where the hell I read that. Yeah, that that maybe

980
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: it will be. I mean, I know, guys even now

981
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: that that really like straight rifled guns, you know, straight

982
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: they're called straight rifles. That they'll have their barrels uh rifled,

983
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: but instead of grooving them, they'll have them cut straight.

984
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: But it doesn't throw a spin on it. Well, but

985
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: you have kind of maybe you could eed to say

986
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: the best of both worlds or maybe the worst of

987
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: both worlds. I mean, it's still functions very much like

988
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: a rifle. If you want to use it for turkey

989
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: hunting or something as a smooth board, you can do that,

990
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: uh smooth for me. Straight rifles, straight rifling typically doesn't

991
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: get shot out as readily as a a spiral group rifle.

992
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: If you're shooting it. You can't take a spiral group

993
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: rifle and you shot in it, you know, you're not

994
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna put buckshot in it or they had swan shot

995
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,959
Speaker 1: they called it, or you know, number six or something.

996
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: But a a straight rifle you can shoot shot. You

997
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: can any any starry shot, number eight, buckshot double all

998
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: the way up to you know. So, yeah, that's so

999
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: maybe the smooth bar was a little bit more versatile

1000
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: at that time. Yeah, that's a real estute comment, because yeah,

1001
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: they were. They were much more for a survival weapon.

1002
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: That's what you wanted, you know, because you can shoot

1003
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: shot round ball up to that very side the caliber.

1004
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: And by the way, um, a lot of these frontiersmen,

1005
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: they were riflemen. But when it came time for you

1006
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: know we're talking. You're talking about how bloody the Red

1007
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: War was in the West, and how bloody the the

1008
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,720
Speaker 1: F and I War was. Frinch An Indian War was

1009
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: a lot of times when you got into woodland fighting,

1010
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: lie that they left their wifles back home. They got

1011
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: the smooth boars. At the Battle of Blue licks Um

1012
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 1: August seventeen, Boone's son was killed at his second one

1013
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: of the second sons, Yeah, the second Yeah, the firstborn son, James,

1014
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 1: was killed when he was sixteen by Indians in the

1015
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 1: the Powell's Valley area seventeen seventy three. That's that's man.

1016
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,960
Speaker 1: We should get to that story later on. It's a

1017
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: heartbreaking story. Man tortured to death, fingernails all pulled out,

1018
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: killed and then when Boone went back to find his body,

1019
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: he goes back. Yeah, well it sure, he goes back

1020
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: to what happened. He goes back and they found the body.

1021
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: You know, initially they did find the body that there

1022
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: was they knew where it was. There was four or

1023
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: five others killed and they buried him. But Boone did

1024
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: go back later to rebury him and trying to identify

1025
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: his boy and the wolves that Dug had dug the

1026
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: bodies up right, and he recognized some wisps of hair

1027
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: right that were his son, his hair right, and he

1028
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: had brought a blanket cradled the body for a while,

1029
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: and then he heard some people, He heard Indians, some

1030
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: Indians coming, and slipped off into the night. And he

1031
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: said it was the darkest day of his life, the

1032
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 1: most melancholy day. Yeah, and I'm get getting chill. Buff's

1033
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: talking about that, right, And again, that kind of thing

1034
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: just seems unfathomable to us. I mean, I might add,

1035
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: not only are you dealing with the native intrusion, but

1036
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 1: you know, he's right in the middle of a number

1037
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: of imperial wars and they're being uh uh, they're allied

1038
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 1: with these imperial powers and they're being armed, and so yeah,

1039
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: it was just a tough time. Boon goes back and

1040
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:48,479
Speaker 1: he buries his son, and comes a thunderstorm and he's

1041
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 1: out there and he hears a wolf's howling. It's the thunderstorm,

1042
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: and he just cradled his son's corpse, and uh, the

1043
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: Indians are creeping up on him. And he gets in

1044
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: a canoe and kind of paddles with his hands and

1045
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,040
Speaker 1: kind of quietly gets on down the creek and and um, man,

1046
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: it's just to escape another another close call. I don't

1047
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: know any one hunter, any one front Tirasman in the

1048
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 1: history of the American Frontier that was captured more times

1049
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: by Daniel Boone, by captured by Indians, and more times

1050
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: than Daniel Boone. Yeah, I mean he was. He was

1051
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: getting routinely captured, and I think it yeah, you know, yeah,

1052
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: he was Boon was. He had a really interesting um

1053
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: attitude among Native people. And it goes back absolutely to

1054
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 1: his upbringing and uh and his relationship with his mother

1055
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 1: and his relationship with his grandfather. But can you go

1056
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: back to that shootout first, the guys that are gonna

1057
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: have the shooting tournament, tells his name? Sure, sure shot? No,

1058
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: he was, Yeah, that's search shot. Timothy Murphy was the

1059
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: guy that shot the the British officer, and you know,

1060
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: maybe it was just his time to go. I don't

1061
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: know how you look at that, but but yeah, the

1062
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 1: two the two groups that ran into each other. Yeah,

1063
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 1: that's exactly it was. It was it was Daniel Broadhead.

1064
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: I believe he was an American Red War officer. I know,

1065
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: I'm going to get all kind of people correcting me

1066
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: later on some of this stuff. But but he sees, uh,

1067
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 1: Samuel Brady's contingent of spies, they call him they were Scalts,

1068
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: but we call him scal They were spies, spies for

1069
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: the British. No, no, no, no, these are American guys.

1070
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean these guys are dangerous. I mean,

1071
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: you know you've heard of Rogers Rangers. Yeah, these guys

1072
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: were like Rogers Rangers, but much more free wheeling. And

1073
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: they had a number of people that really had been

1074
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: dead as against Indians, and so yeah, they put small

1075
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 1: rum kegs out there. You know, it's about, you know,

1076
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: about the size of the conference wise with maybe a

1077
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: softball sixty or seventy yards, and they're and they're hidding

1078
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 1: at uh in some cases a hundred times out of

1079
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: a hundred and and Broadhead had his musketeers. They had

1080
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: a few riflemen come out there and throw down on it.

1081
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: Not on one of them hit it. Yeah, so I

1082
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: mean that, you know, that's not perfect, but I mean

1083
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: that does give you an idea. They took a a

1084
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: piece of paper, kind of a precious commodity, and that

1085
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: they and put that out at about forty or fifty

1086
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 1: yards and the same kind of thing. Everyone of Brady's

1087
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: men either hit it square. I think they all hit

1088
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 1: a square. I think one guy Nick did it. I

1089
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: think they were thirteen of them. They all hit a square.

1090
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: One guy Nick did a piece of paper about the

1091
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: size of we might say a silver dollar out there

1092
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: about five or sixty yards. And again they brought ever

1093
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,120
Speaker 1: broadheads man and not note them hit it. So which

1094
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: was the crew of guys that were the spies that

1095
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: were out just like roaming around exact and revenge. Ah,

1096
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: that's uh, Samuel Brady's men they called Brady's Rangers. I

1097
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: mean they were they were rough characters. Matt my goodness, yeah,

1098
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: and uh like like Louis what's all? I mean, what's

1099
01:04:57,040 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: all one of these kind of guy is that In

1100
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: some ways it's um like the Greek sort of raised

1101
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 1: to the pantheon of heroes. In some ways maybe not.

1102
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: Maybe he's like the anti hero. His family was killed

1103
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: by Indians, he was captured himself as boyd and wounded,

1104
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: and I had part of his breastbone shut off. He's

1105
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:24,720
Speaker 1: about twelve or thirteen years old, and whatsel grew his

1106
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: hair along it came down about to his calves. Really yeah,

1107
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 1: and uh he would tie it up in long braids,

1108
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: long queues, and he would shake him at the Indians. Leah, Yeah,

1109
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: they had that music then. And um and unlike Princess Leiah,

1110
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: he did have his ears pierce. Maybe she did too,

1111
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,720
Speaker 1: but he had silk red tassels in his ears. And

1112
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: but he would talk. He would just tell him, he's like,

1113
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: come come collect these and and there would be four

1114
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: or five Indians and and Westll would take him on,

1115
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: just him. He would just charge right into him, four

1116
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: or five and he'd shoot and take out one. I

1117
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: know this is insensitive to a lot of people. I'm

1118
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: not condoning any of this time. You know, it's a

1119
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 1: different time for a different era. I don't know, you know,

1120
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: mentality wise, judgment wise, we can't relate to what these

1121
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: people thought, how they dealt with these issues two years ago.

1122
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: I mean, whether it's imperial forces in your world, native

1123
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: allied forces, whatever. And so he would take out one, well,

1124
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: of course they they run after him, right, and uh,

1125
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 1: he would spit a ball down the barrel. He really

1126
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: had mastered the art of reloading on the run. And

1127
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: uh probably had an enlarge touch hole he would pour.

1128
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: The touch hole is the part of the gun in

1129
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 1: the breach where the you know, when you have a

1130
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: flint lock and the lock clashes and it hits the frison,

1131
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: the flint hits the prison and the flame jets through

1132
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: the touch hole. So he probably had an a large

1133
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: touch hole. So you would lose the pan up until

1134
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: you you butt the gun on the ground. The butt

1135
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: well that once you've got it loaded, you just butt

1136
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 1: the ground. It's to self primes. You spit the ball

1137
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 1: down without all the powder that he poured in there

1138
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: would pour out and get into the and get into

1139
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: the pan. Yeah, and see he's loading straight from the horn,

1140
01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: like from the John like in the John Wayne movies.

1141
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody loaded straight from the horn unless you

1142
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: just had to. But poor bartender, Oh, that's an important

1143
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: I think to because everybody thinks that that you just

1144
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: free poured from the horn. So how did they measure it? Yeah? Okay,

1145
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: typically with the care intending of an American long rifle.

1146
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: Uh later becomes noticed that American long the care care intending. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1147
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:46,680
Speaker 1: it's just basically how to deal with a long rival.

1148
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: And I would encourage listeners to go out and buy

1149
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: a flintlock. I got one. I get I tried to

1150
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,280
Speaker 1: shoot some deer with it, but some would always go

1151
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: wrong every time I shot at I don't know anything

1152
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: about your flintlock. I didn't say that tryday but neither.

1153
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: But uh, anybody that's ever shot one can say the

1154
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,080
Speaker 1: same thing. But yeah, get a good one. But yeah,

1155
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: I learned how to to operate that gun, you know,

1156
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: because the first thing you do, you just go buy

1157
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 1: a good flintlock, and then you'll go like, I gotta

1158
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 1: shoot it. And then you go like, well, how am

1159
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: I going to carry my powder? Well? How do you

1160
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 1: carry your powder? Listen? Man, we were idiots. We went

1161
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: to go to the Pennsylvania's flintlocks. He's now, my buddies

1162
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: do it a lot. I didn't, So like, I get one.

1163
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: How do you carry the powder carrying the powder horn? Okay?

1164
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: So you do? You did? Okay? Okay? That yeah, I

1165
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: mean days people should people should do that. That will

1166
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: put them in touch with their forebears. They'll put them

1167
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: in touch with our subjects. But no, no, that's not

1168
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm lying to you. I poured it into h I

1169
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 1: had a powder horn, But I wanted to pouring it

1170
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: into those little like looks like a little old style

1171
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: film canister. Poured it pre measured. Yeah, some people used

1172
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: to keep seeds in those do A lot of deer

1173
01:08:56,040 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: had close calls on that trip. Man, they don't even realize. Well, anyway,

1174
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: back to the care and tending of an American calls

1175
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 1: Part two, the American long rifle or hair in tending. Yeah,

1176
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 1: I mean you you have a powder horn suspended on

1177
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: whatever side is most comfortably if your left hand or

1178
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: right handed. I have it on the right, you know,

1179
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: in the curl of the horn and all that. And yeah,

1180
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: you have a on you're shooting pouch scrap. You'll have

1181
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: a little piece of an antler, you know it's a

1182
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: holid out deer time that will be of a certain

1183
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: number of grains of powder. That's how they measured it. Yeah,

1184
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 1: and so you yeah, oh yeah, you you measured the powder.

1185
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: You you measured the powder. You pour that down the

1186
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: moment that you know how they would plug the horn

1187
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: with a piece of deer antler or like a wooden plug.

1188
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:49,600
Speaker 1: Would that be the measure or the measure hangs No, no, no, no,

1189
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,760
Speaker 1: you typically yeah, they did they use something they'd hand

1190
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: carved something. A fiddle peg was roll real popular fiddle

1191
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: peg is kind of like ready to go, just kind

1192
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: of whittle it down. But yeah, you you take the

1193
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: horn and you pour into a measure and you already

1194
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,560
Speaker 1: know because these guys live by their guns. Okay. And

1195
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: if any any of your listeners can do the same thing,

1196
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: because they'll figure this out too. You know, you have

1197
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,600
Speaker 1: say like a like I've got my rifle is sixty calibers.

1198
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: I shoot about sixty seventy grains of powder. Okay, So

1199
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: I have a little deer antler this holid out there,

1200
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 1: and I pour to the top and I'll dump that

1201
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 1: down the barrel. Then you take a whatever sides ball

1202
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,600
Speaker 1: you're using. You know, typically you're going to be undersized

1203
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: by ten thousands, twelve thousands, fifteen thousands to me people

1204
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: that have shot these guns. You've got that all figured out.

1205
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: And you have a patch of linen usually and you

1206
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: have it um oil with bear fat bear bears like

1207
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 1: makes about the best loop or or whale. It's hard

1208
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: to get whale these days. Yeah, you just can't run

1209
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: down like you know, bass pro shop, I needs burn

1210
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 1: whale oil like work, I get that and so and

1211
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: then yeah, then you have it all, Dad, You got

1212
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 1: a private You still now use bear grease as a lubricant. Yeah,

1213
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: always where do you do? You get that at Sportsman's

1214
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 1: or from black bears? Get that from the elusive? Yeah,

1215
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: I have friends that hunt black bears and you asked

1216
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 1: them to if you know any really like any hardcore

1217
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: North Carolinias that live, like in the area that we're

1218
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: talking about, they do about four or five things really well.

1219
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: They hunt bears, They make moonshine, They produce a little

1220
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,599
Speaker 1: North Carolinians and they play music and they make moonshine.

1221
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: Already I already said that that sounds likely to do it.

1222
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: Yeah you should, Yeah, you should go down there. Yeah,

1223
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: and they always have that kind of stuff and uh

1224
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's just the best lubricant. So you have

1225
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: a grease patuln in your ball. Yeah, we'll be careful

1226
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:00,200
Speaker 1: with that one. And uh yeah, yeah, it takes leads

1227
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 1: a shoot of flintlock. I got it, I got it.

1228
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, boom okay, and uh yeah, so yeah,

1229
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,560
Speaker 1: but but you don't pour from the horn, and you know,

1230
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: if it was a clutch situation, yeah, but I mean

1231
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: you might have a spark down there in the breach,

1232
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 1: and if you're pouring from the directly from the horn,

1233
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: then you might have a two pound grenade right bite

1234
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: your head. Yeah, like you know, like John Wayne Ali

1235
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: Moan movies, that looks you know that you did it. Now,

1236
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 1: So you're saying like, if there's something smoldering in there, yeah,

1237
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 1: and you like that, and that powder falls down and

1238
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: ignites up the barrel and then ignites that handful of

1239
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 1: that Yeah, and I think that's maybe whatever happened like

1240
01:12:46,439 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: the guy that invented black powder, because we don't know

1241
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,439
Speaker 1: who he was, but I I was wondered, how do

1242
01:12:51,479 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: you invent this? You know, the same dynasty of China.

1243
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: You know, you have some guy and he goes like, okay,

1244
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take uh seventy five parts of potassium no

1245
01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: I trade, which they got that under outhouses and they

1246
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: went into the soil and then then uh cent of

1247
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 1: willow ash and then tent percent of sulfur and then

1248
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: you you know, you start you get a mortar and

1249
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: pestle goal, Let's see what this does. Man. You know,

1250
01:13:14,600 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: like he's spread over seventeen provinces or something. And I

1251
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: know when Boone was when Boone would make his own powder,

1252
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,560
Speaker 1: they would, uh, there was some part of it, like

1253
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: they like to take the willow ash and they wetted

1254
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: it with their own piss. Do you ever read that

1255
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 1: all the qualities of your own yurine were good? The

1256
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: way Boone did it and a lot of folks did it.

1257
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we call the substance saltpeter for

1258
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 1: reasons we won't maybe get into that. But they dug

1259
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: the spoil up under what we would refer to today

1260
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:50,599
Speaker 1: as an outhouse in bat caves. Yeah, that's right. What's

1261
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: that called guano? And but they yeah, and then you

1262
01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 1: would get the dirt, soil, whatever, and you would like take, um,

1263
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 1: take like a saw horse and inverted at the same

1264
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: basic idea, just full it with hey, Philip Hay and

1265
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 1: it's just pour the mixture of the earth, guando, you

1266
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: know whatever. They know. Typically you're digging under the old

1267
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: house back in Kentucky, and um, you mix it with water,

1268
01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:18,240
Speaker 1: you pour it through there, and then you take the

1269
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 1: liqueur that is distilled from that and you boil that

1270
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: a little bit an hour or so, and then let

1271
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,879
Speaker 1: us sit and the as evaporage. You'll have these crystals

1272
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,400
Speaker 1: that's potassium nitrate, saltpeter, and so you would take that

1273
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 1: and then he would take typically willow ash to use

1274
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: other kinds of ash and um and then sulfur would

1275
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 1: sometimes kind of get hard to get, but yeah, you

1276
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 1: would mix that together. Um, you grind the ingredients separately,

1277
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: but then you would mix it together. And then typically

1278
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 1: they would use a human urine because it had a

1279
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,680
Speaker 1: higher oxygen content. It would flash quicker. They determined that.

1280
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how they determine that, and so yeah,

1281
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: that was but it was arduous, it was complicated, and

1282
01:14:58,160 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: very few people knew how to do it. And if

1283
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: you how to do it on the frontier, then you

1284
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: were quite a commodity. It's like blacksmithing. Again, that goes

1285
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: over our head. Most of us aren't blacksmiths. But Boone

1286
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 1: was also a very good blacksmith, so was his brother Squire,

1287
01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,640
Speaker 1: and Squire was also a great silver smith and um,

1288
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,040
Speaker 1: so yeah Boone but just a hunter and a trapper

1289
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: and had those talents. He had other talents as well,

1290
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: like just geared towards frontier living, not the least of

1291
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:28,719
Speaker 1: which we were kind of getting into earlier his dealing

1292
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 1: with the American Indians. You know, how he how he

1293
01:15:31,920 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: managed to get out of some of these scrapes. How

1294
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,240
Speaker 1: he learned his protocol diplomacy dealing with these folks. How

1295
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: did he learn that? Several ways? Uh, it goes back

1296
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: to his childhood. Um. First of all, Boone was a Quaker,

1297
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 1: as his family were. They his grandfather, George, came to

1298
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: America from England, made that transatlantic journey like a lot

1299
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 1: of folks did. And uh, he was a Quaker you

1300
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: know end as they called him, Society of Friends and

1301
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: lived in around present day Birdsboro, Pennsylvania. Donated a couple

1302
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 1: of acres to the Quakers there and both the little

1303
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: church building. I've been in that same church building a

1304
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: couple of times. The original pews, they are all still

1305
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 1: there that the Boone family sat, No, no I sat on. Everyone.

1306
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:23,479
Speaker 1: Just catch that vibe if I could. And uh. And

1307
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: so Boone and his family were Quakers. Of course they

1308
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: are Pacifists, that the whole different kind of matter. But

1309
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: they had a number of Delaware converts, so you know,

1310
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: Indians were nothing unusually Boon. He worshiped with him in church.

1311
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 1: His grandfather also had a trading post, George Boone, and

1312
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 1: he was the Delaware hunters would come in and of course,

1313
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 1: you know they're bringing in lush, be repelleds otter pels,

1314
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 1: perfectly processed deer hyde, beautifully tanned, you know, brained hand.

1315
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 1: And Boone intuitively is picking up on this and he's

1316
01:16:56,280 --> 01:17:01,160
Speaker 1: there's the Delaware closely related culturally and linguistic lee as

1317
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: Algonquin speakers to the Shawnee. So the Shawnee would be

1318
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,200
Speaker 1: coming in there, and you know he's learning bits and

1319
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: pieces of the language, you know, the Patois, but he's

1320
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,040
Speaker 1: also learning, maybe more importantly, how do you deal with

1321
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: these people? And uh? And he would carry this information

1322
01:17:17,479 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 1: throughout his life. He would he would tell his sons,

1323
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 1: you know, when you greet an Indian, be friendly, be frank,

1324
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 1: and give them gifts, even if I mean literally, if

1325
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:31,720
Speaker 1: you even if you can't afford it, you give them

1326
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 1: if it has to be the shirt off your back,

1327
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 1: you know, if you have some boheit. You know, t

1328
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 1: was a big deal part of the China trade, coming

1329
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: out of other parts as well, like India, Pakistan. So forth,

1330
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 1: give them some tea, uh, give them some beads, share

1331
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: something with them, compliment them, never lived, don't ever beat

1332
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: him in a shooting contest, you know, give them some sugar.

1333
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 1: And this kind of diplomacy always served him well and

1334
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 1: and it serves his son's well. And and Boond understood

1335
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: when he was in Kentucky that first hunt, that first

1336
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: long hunt, and you know, he's out there literally from

1337
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: about May to the December, and they lay in hundreds

1338
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:23,719
Speaker 1: of deer skins and quite a few fur bearers, primarily beever,

1339
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 1: the Shawnee swooped down on him, Captain will Emery, who

1340
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: would later capture Boone five years later, the loyal Blue Licks,

1341
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:37,640
Speaker 1: the Salt Boilers, and they take everything. And Boone understood,

1342
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, we would look upon it as theft from

1343
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:44,560
Speaker 1: the India perspective. They're taking what's rightfully. There's you know,

1344
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 1: Boon was there breaking all manner of law, you know.

1345
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 1: And Uh, but this kind of diplomacy would serve him well,

1346
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 1: it would serve his son's well, even his grandson, Alfred

1347
01:18:55,680 --> 01:19:00,120
Speaker 1: Gallatin Boone, Uh was a mountain man, full fledged. And

1348
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 1: he's out there in the famous Rendezvous of eighteen thirty two.

1349
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: He's out there with Bridger and all these guys, but

1350
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: they were just Indian treaties that some people just couldn't clinch.

1351
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: And so they would bring an Alpert Gallatin Boone and

1352
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: and just the name Boone to the Indians out west

1353
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: like where we are, would resonate with them because they

1354
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: understood that that that meant, you know, fair dealings, that

1355
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: uh he would be treated properly. And um, you know

1356
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: when we were talking earlier about Samuel Brady and those guys,

1357
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 1: and these are men of blood. You know Ken he's

1358
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 1: a scalp taker at scalf hunter and Simon Kent, Simon Ken, Yeah, Boone,

1359
01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 1: that was never Boom. You know, Boone did not rebel

1360
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,759
Speaker 1: in war, He didn't glory in war. He was certainly

1361
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,440
Speaker 1: a warrior when he needed to be. But he understood

1362
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 1: not only maybe basic Indian language. I think actually he

1363
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 1: spoke Gonkland, Delaware, Shawnee probably pretty well. And he understood

1364
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: pipe ceremonies and so forth, but he understood just the

1365
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:03,120
Speaker 1: basic diplomacy gift giving. You know, you give somebody a gift,

1366
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:07,439
Speaker 1: we think, okay, anniversary, whatever, give a gift, um for

1367
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: the for for Native people, giving a gift, uh met

1368
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: burnishing that friendship It's like a chain and if you

1369
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: let the chain get rusty, that's not good. But you

1370
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: give a gift that kind of brings back to the glow,

1371
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: solidifies the relationship. Can you tell the story real quick

1372
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 1: of when when Boone went on his first long hunt

1373
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: to Kentucky He went with a couple of guys but

1374
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 1: wound up being alone for a year or close to it.

1375
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: And one of those guys, they never knew what happened

1376
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:48,120
Speaker 1: to him, and you wound up they found a skeleton

1377
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: like years later inside a hollow tree, Like, what the hell?

1378
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: How did that work out? Well, it didn't work out

1379
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 1: for him too well, But you know what happened was

1380
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:06,559
Speaker 1: Boone begins his first actual Kentucky long hunt and May

1381
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 1: of seventeen sixty nine, he's led to Kentucky by John Finley,

1382
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: who he had met in seventeen fifty five during General

1383
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: Edward Braddock's ill fated death March. Boone met Braddock. Boon

1384
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 1: was twenty one years old, Finley was about twelve thirteen

1385
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: years older. Boone witnessed that whole slaughter from from afar

1386
01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: right at Braddock. Oh yeah, I mean that's yeah, I mean,

1387
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 1: that's that's a whole different kind of episode. I don't

1388
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: know if you want to segue into that much, but yeah,

1389
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: I mean that's Braddock. That was at the height of

1390
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: the French and that was before that was that's the

1391
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 1: first salvo of the French Indian War. Is Braddocks trying

1392
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: to build a road, and in some ways it's a

1393
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 1: miraculous near miraculous engineering feet. He builds a road from

1394
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:54,720
Speaker 1: uh Maryland getting close to President Day Pittsburgh, you know,

1395
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten miles. He's blasting routs. I mean,

1396
01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:02,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, they're they're trying to build a road to

1397
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 1: Port Decayne at the headwaters of the Ohio. You know,

1398
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: you have the Allegheny to the north, the Monongahela to

1399
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 1: the south, you have the Ohio River. There's the French

1400
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: for right there. And so yeah, Raddox men marching and

1401
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: Boon's part of that expedition. He's a wagon are He's

1402
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: part of the North Carolina militia and uh he sees

1403
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: the blood bath that ensues and Buon escapes. He cuts

1404
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: the traces on his horse and takes off, and he

1405
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,560
Speaker 1: learned several things. One you know, you man deal of

1406
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 1: oars training, does not work in woodland situation too. He

1407
01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: learns the arrogance of not using native scouts, don't you know,

1408
01:22:39,439 --> 01:22:42,280
Speaker 1: the arrogance of not reliant upon native intelligence like for

1409
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: recon and and military ops. Yeah, so that's where Boone

1410
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 1: meets Finley. Yeah, and he decided to go on a

1411
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: big old hunt trip. Yeah. So Fainly Fainly comes back,

1412
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, years later, So let's let's do this and Boon.

1413
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: By this time, he's got several eight kids. Uh, he's

1414
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,839
Speaker 1: already four or thirty five years old. They've adopted another

1415
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 1: four from his uh, one of his brothers who dies,

1416
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 1: and um, he needs a hunt Boon at a thirty four,

1417
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: he's already been professionally hunting since he's sixteen, and so

1418
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: he goes into You can have a question about that

1419
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: because you're talking about it's such a hard life. It's

1420
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:21,160
Speaker 1: such a hard way to actually even make any money.

1421
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: There were there no other options, Like what had he

1422
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 1: not gone long hunting, he could have stayed back and

1423
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: just continue to be a blacksmith and farm and made

1424
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: a living in a farmer. Yeah, he was a very

1425
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: poor farmer. He didn't he didn't do well at it.

1426
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 1: And as far as making living on Blacksmith and yeah,

1427
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe he could have done that, but why do you

1428
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 1: do what you do? It was a reason because there

1429
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,160
Speaker 1: was a reason, just because like this is all that

1430
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:54,240
Speaker 1: I have. It's not because i'm really uh, my personality

1431
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 1: dictates that I go on these adventures. I think if

1432
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,800
Speaker 1: you look at his history here or that's a great question,

1433
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: if you look at his earliest history, we just he

1434
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: was drawn to the hunt. It's a different topic from

1435
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:10,960
Speaker 1: when we're trying to talk about the first long Hunt.

1436
01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: But if you look at at his life, even when

1437
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: he goes to Missouri, you know, in Sev's sixty five

1438
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 1: years old at a time when most people say, well,

1439
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to kick back and boon fellas a toolip

1440
01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:25,240
Speaker 1: poplar about sixty ft long, they hollow it out into

1441
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,680
Speaker 1: a giant dug out. He puts his wife and some

1442
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:30,120
Speaker 1: of the children on that grandkids and send done down

1443
01:24:30,200 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 1: the Ohio. Imagine doing that nowadays. And then he and

1444
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:37,640
Speaker 1: his uh it's one of his sons, Nathan and some

1445
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 1: others uh, they walked to Missouri and he begins, he

1446
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,720
Speaker 1: starts life all over and he basically is why you

1447
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: know Missouri uh is Kentucky of old. You know, it's

1448
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: got lots of game, lots of land. The Indians are

1449
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 1: still wild and Boone's gets he gets captured now by

1450
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,439
Speaker 1: os Age and other groups. But in the in the

1451
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 1: first long hunt into Kentucky. Yeah, the A Boon is

1452
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: there with his brother in law, John Stewart, that's who

1453
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: you're talking about, the guy in the log, and uh,

1454
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: Boone's brother squire. We'll join him in about five or

1455
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: six months. He comes from North Carolina. He's got to

1456
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 1: get the corn hung and you've got to get the

1457
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: hog slaughtered and so forth. But then he joined him

1458
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: and they have three neighbors that are helping them. But yeah,

1459
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,960
Speaker 1: the the Indians swooped down and Calp's Shoulder captured these

1460
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:32,920
Speaker 1: men and confiscate everything. Um. And then later Buddha's honey

1461
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 1: with Stewart, and Stewart doesn't come back, you know, doesn't

1462
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 1: come back to camp at No, he just doesn't come

1463
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: back to camp. And uh and so Boon there had

1464
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,880
Speaker 1: been some flooding, lots lots of water and said, well,

1465
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: you know it's high water, you can't get back to camp,

1466
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: and so um several days elapse, Boon goes out looks

1467
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 1: for him. He finds a tree that carved with Stewart's

1468
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 1: name and initials, and he says, well, okay, he's been here,

1469
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,639
Speaker 1: but it's kind of cryptic. He can't really figure out

1470
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 1: what's happened, and he never what happened. And so when

1471
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: this happens, the camp tenders they said, I've had enough

1472
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: and they go and uh Fiddley leaves. They go like

1473
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,320
Speaker 1: between getting captured by by Indians and losing everything, and

1474
01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 1: then Stewart disappeared. Um, and so it is five years later,

1475
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: like you say, when they're blazing the trail to the

1476
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 1: Wilderness Road, that someone one of the axe men hack

1477
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: into a large hall of sycamore and they find a skeleton.

1478
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 1: What are the odds man? Yeah, well again it's it's

1479
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 1: it's a yeah, it's an interesting time. It's a dark,

1480
01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 1: it's incredibly violent. It's incredibly beautiful in its own way.

1481
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the game is like the Serengetti.

1482
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 1: It's just it's got that romantic side to it, but

1483
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 1: it's just incredibly violent. And you hack into a tree

1484
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: and you find a skeleton. They called Boon because he

1485
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: was the leader of the Axe team. Without that hole.

1486
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: It was just made by this axe. Where was the

1487
01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: next closest hole in this tree for the body to

1488
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: get there? They feel that he crawled in there wounded yea,

1489
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: because he had broken bones. Yeah, so there was like

1490
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: a hole at the base of the tree. These are

1491
01:27:17,560 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 1: immense trees. You can read about the trees in that day. Uh.

1492
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 1: And this is what was so appealing about Kentucky. Kentucky

1493
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: was like this big park land. I mean, don't forget

1494
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,719
Speaker 1: the geographic zone of Kentucky today that was in Kentucky.

1495
01:27:30,680 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: Kentucky then would be like just draw a triangle like

1496
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: Kentucky Louisville eastward over to like Lexington, Frankfort, that area,

1497
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,880
Speaker 1: and then down to about present day Barria. That's like

1498
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 1: the blue grass that was Kentucky. And he had giant

1499
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 1: deciduous trees, tulip poppers. I mean, you would have five

1500
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,599
Speaker 1: or six men that would camp in a tree over

1501
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: a season. They would camp in the tree some in

1502
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: some cases they can I mean in the hollow tree.

1503
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: In some cases you could even get the horse and there. Yeah,

1504
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: there's a huge and and because of the native practices

1505
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: of you know, now we're learning how valid this is.

1506
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: But they have practices that they had gone on for

1507
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:15,439
Speaker 1: hundreds of years of burning u the grasses, you know,

1508
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 1: seasonally torturing them to get rid of what we would

1509
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: say a secondary growth and get rid of pest. And

1510
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 1: you can see for a long ways and like alpor enemies,

1511
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of reasons why they would

1512
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: torch um the prairie of the savannah periodically. What it

1513
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 1: did is it is it cleared out the secondary growth

1514
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:33,880
Speaker 1: and then you had these large deciduous trees that would

1515
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,639
Speaker 1: grow and grow and grow. And so when they would

1516
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: describe Kentucky, you can read John Pilson's book on Kentucky

1517
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: that came out in seventeen for the Discovery Settlement in

1518
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: president State of Kentucky by John Filson, and he described

1519
01:28:48,120 --> 01:28:51,920
Speaker 1: Kentucky like a vast meadow land. And the word Kentucky. Uh.

1520
01:28:52,040 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 1: They think there's different interpretations. You know, you have people

1521
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 1: that think that your aquoi and it means dark and

1522
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 1: bloody ground. But the Algonquin translation is um the great

1523
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: meadow land. And so you had these immense hollow trees,

1524
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: the soil was loose. Again, it means nothing for us

1525
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: to say you could get there on the first day

1526
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,360
Speaker 1: and plow. You know, we don't think like that. I think,

1527
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: do I have my cell phone charged up? But yeah,

1528
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: you could get there the first day and you could

1529
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 1: actually plow because of the the openness of the land,

1530
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: the soil fertility, the loosest of the soil. So they

1531
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: find his body in one of these immense trees. But yeah,

1532
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 1: used like that. The chances of that, Oh, if I

1533
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: could have that body in it, I'd put that right

1534
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 1: in my living room. Man, the trigger of the body

1535
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 1: that they want to solve. I want to slve that

1536
01:29:40,920 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 1: chunk and have it sitting in my living room, right

1537
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 1: in the center of the living room. There was John

1538
01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: Stewart and and and Boone was very close to broken

1539
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: up bones right, it was one. It was the the

1540
01:29:50,240 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 1: upper left arm. It was like between so like the

1541
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,600
Speaker 1: shoulder of the Delatoy to about the elbow there was

1542
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:01,320
Speaker 1: a broken bone and it was just alert and from

1543
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: lead and so as obviously it was a broken Uh.

1544
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 1: He got shot. He got shot and Boone their rise.

1545
01:30:09,320 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 1: It was probably getting cold or he was being chased

1546
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: or something, and he crawled inside the tree and uh

1547
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: and died there, very sad, lonesome forsaken death. Oh it's

1548
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:25,120
Speaker 1: haunting man. And the fact they found it, well, and

1549
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 1: you can give him the fact that Boone was there

1550
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: when they found it. Yeah, and how did he identify him?

1551
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 1: How would he how would he know this is Jon

1552
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: Stewart right, I don't know. Yeah, he had his powder

1553
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: horn and had his name carved in it. Yeah, and

1554
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: Boone said, you know there he thought that he could

1555
01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:42,800
Speaker 1: kind of look see some look on the skull and

1556
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 1: maybe resemblances. I don't know how valid that is, but

1557
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:48,800
Speaker 1: that that that is one account. But you know the

1558
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 1: powder horn had his name on it, and it was

1559
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 1: just you said earlier that he had carved um the

1560
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: guy that was dead, that he had carved his name

1561
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: in a in a tree. Was that a common practice? Yeah?

1562
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: These guys are just kind of like I was here,

1563
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: kind of marking. Yeah. I mean I think even now,

1564
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, if people want to leave there there, they're

1565
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:11,879
Speaker 1: John Doe. And it was common with with the American

1566
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: Indians as well. Uh, trees that were along well established

1567
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: buffalo paths. The Buffalo paths were like the great interstate system.

1568
01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 1: You know, we had this idea that they just walked

1569
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: out into the wildernessn't like North and they think somehow

1570
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 1: knew that. Well, now they didn't know that. I mean,

1571
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: they could, you know, infer it figure things out. They

1572
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,799
Speaker 1: were very good at what they did. But the Buffalo trails,

1573
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: you know, the Buffalo east of the Mississippi had been

1574
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 1: there for several hundred years, and so they had their

1575
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: vast avenues. Some were lead traces, lead met they went someplace.

1576
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 1: Some just kind of petered out, like you know, you

1577
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 1: get the wizard that you walk down a path, sometimes

1578
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:51,160
Speaker 1: it goes somewhere a lot of times it doesn't. But

1579
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 1: along those trails there would be trees, and they would

1580
01:31:56,720 --> 01:32:01,839
Speaker 1: oftentimes bark who was there. Indians oftentime would leave cryptic

1581
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:09,240
Speaker 1: uh and animalistic markings of their own devising. Uh. When

1582
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Boon made camps in Kentucky his first hunt, Boon would

1583
01:32:13,080 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: made decoy camps because he knew how the Indians made

1584
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,120
Speaker 1: their camps, and so he would make a camp that

1585
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,960
Speaker 1: looks like an Indian camp, like a shawn E camp.

1586
01:32:20,000 --> 01:32:22,280
Speaker 1: But he would camp and cane brakes, and they would

1587
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: come by and lee marks like come visit us, man,

1588
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:30,920
Speaker 1: how's it going, you know? And uh, yeah, uh you really?

1589
01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:33,120
Speaker 1: You kind of mentioned this that you get this idea

1590
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 1: of some guy going through the woods a little backpack.

1591
01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: But these guys when they struck out, yeah, that had

1592
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: a big footprint. Yeah, pack horsemen. The dogs. Can you

1593
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 1: talking about the dogs a little bit? Yeah? I mean

1594
01:32:46,120 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: they had real distinctive dogre, some of which are we

1595
01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of had their descendants today, like like what we

1596
01:32:52,680 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: would call it a plothound, and the good cat dogs,

1597
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,960
Speaker 1: you know count I mean panther you know, and uh

1598
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: like black and tans. Probably the most common LEAs seen

1599
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: dog would have been the mountain curve, like a yellow

1600
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 1: mountain curve or brindle mountain curve. You know, good catchdogs,

1601
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:15,200
Speaker 1: good hold dogs. And a lot of people had bulldogs

1602
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:19,240
Speaker 1: like the American bulldogs. Uh. Dr Thomas Walker who came

1603
01:33:19,320 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: to Kentucky. You know, Boom was not there's a lot

1604
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,639
Speaker 1: of mythology about him. He wasn't the first guy into Kentucky.

1605
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:27,479
Speaker 1: You know, long hunters in command of bring civilization. That's

1606
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 1: the last thing they wanted, you know, they weren't trying

1607
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:31,679
Speaker 1: to make the land free for God and country, hearth

1608
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,600
Speaker 1: and home again, that's be like the last thing they

1609
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 1: want there. They didn't identify as Americans that none of

1610
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,439
Speaker 1: that was you know they were these are just guys

1611
01:33:40,520 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: that are that are making a living. But you know

1612
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 1: that the first guy that really comes in and leaves

1613
01:33:46,479 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: a wonderful journal as Dr Thomas Walker in seventeen fifty

1614
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,480
Speaker 1: and Walker had developed his own kind of a foxhound

1615
01:33:53,560 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 1: beagle looking how and we call them that a Walker hounds.

1616
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,400
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you've heard of those, and that's yeah,

1617
01:33:58,439 --> 01:34:01,839
Speaker 1: that's another type that they had. And the spaniels. Spaniels

1618
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 1: were popular. I thought a Bond had a spaniel. He

1619
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 1: wasn't a long hunter, but that time period close and

1620
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:13,160
Speaker 1: how and how did they use them? Like they had

1621
01:34:13,200 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: them around obviously, but like in the notes it says

1622
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't just for hunting. Yeah, well, I mean think

1623
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 1: of yourself and kind of an aboriginal fashion. You know

1624
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep you warm. Yeah, get him in there,

1625
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: like if you're in that hollalog, that hollow tree, you

1626
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 1: know they're gonna keep you warm. You know, the term

1627
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,880
Speaker 1: three Dog night, not the band, but you know that's

1628
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: the whole idea was. Yeah, that's how cold it was.

1629
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 1: And um, you know definitely that they can kind of

1630
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 1: be a liability. They bark, you know, and you know

1631
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: they give your give you away. But they're they far

1632
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: more than um pay for themselves advantage wise, because they

1633
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 1: can warn you, you know. You know, whenever they worked

1634
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: both ways. Whenever the Indians were sneaking up on the

1635
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 1: white camps, they had to be aware of the white

1636
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: hunter dog. Whenever the white hunters were steaking up on

1637
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:05,680
Speaker 1: the Indian camps, they had to be aware of the

1638
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,639
Speaker 1: Indian dogs. So yeah, I mean, they can they keep

1639
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:10,719
Speaker 1: your company. You know, Boot loved his dogs. Just coupal

1640
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 1: accounts of Boon singing to his dogs. Yeah, in one

1641
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: like overheard by somebody. Yeah, that's a great that's a

1642
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 1: great story. Can I tell that one? Yeah? Sure. We

1643
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: were talking about these long Hunter guys that came out,

1644
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, and the most famous brigades were led by

1645
01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,200
Speaker 1: James Knox, who did real well the Docks later and

1646
01:35:34,240 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: also well Long Hunty. He did well enough Long Honey,

1647
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 1: but he became a military figure, and um, you know,

1648
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: Boom was still out there scraping by. Uh sometimes Boon

1649
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 1: did far better surveying, but that had a kind of

1650
01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:49,519
Speaker 1: a shelf life too. Knox Docks did well, and he

1651
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:51,400
Speaker 1: would bring in his brigades. And one of the guys

1652
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:53,760
Speaker 1: that came in with an Ox is this Germantic guy,

1653
01:35:54,520 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 1: Casper Mansker. How's that grab you? Casper Mansker, Casper Mansker,

1654
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 1: and they would come in. Sometimes they go through the

1655
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: Cumberland Gap oot is what it was called. It was

1656
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,679
Speaker 1: later you know Thomas Walker. We mentioned him a Walker

1657
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 1: name at the Cumberland Gap for the Duke of Cumberland,

1658
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, the slaughterer of the of the Highlanders at

1659
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 1: the Battle of Colodin. But um, sometimes they would go

1660
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:23,840
Speaker 1: in through Cumberland Gap. But sometimes they would come you know,

1661
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:28,720
Speaker 1: from eastern Tennessee, western North Carolina just cut straight to

1662
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,160
Speaker 1: French liqu French Lick today is known as what no

1663
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:36,960
Speaker 1: no Idea Music City USA, Nashville, n Yeah, I mean

1664
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:39,040
Speaker 1: that was the band that you talked about a teeming

1665
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,439
Speaker 1: area for you know, that was like an area massive

1666
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: licks off the Cumberland River, lots of buffalo, lots of

1667
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 1: all of that, and you know, like right there where

1668
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: the football you know, where the stadium is for the

1669
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,439
Speaker 1: Titans and everything. I mean that was like major hunting area.

1670
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:56,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mansker was with the Knox and they hunt

1671
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:02,400
Speaker 1: French lick Uh and they go straight up to kentuck Uh,

1672
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:05,400
Speaker 1: up towards the Green River and they're in there and

1673
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:10,839
Speaker 1: they they hear the sound. It's kind of like part singing,

1674
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,760
Speaker 1: part whistling and laughter. And they're going, what is that?

1675
01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: That's not like any species were familiar with. I'm sure

1676
01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 1: they said that two species is a big word in

1677
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: the long hunter vocabulary. And uh until they put the

1678
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 1: guns on full cock and they're sneaking through the cane

1679
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: brake and the sumac and they're like, and they're hearing

1680
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,759
Speaker 1: the sound is getting louder and louder. And they peeked

1681
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: through the sumac and it's Colonel Daniel Boone. He's laying

1682
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 1: on a deer skin right in the middle of in

1683
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: Indian country, just singing too high Heaven. He's just happy

1684
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 1: to be there. Man, don't you love it? That's a

1685
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: great story. And then there are accounts of him singing

1686
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,439
Speaker 1: to his dogs, you know, and speaking of Mask or

1687
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:51,360
Speaker 1: those guys by the way with um Knox. You know

1688
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: they kill so many bear again we yeah, well, I

1689
01:37:56,920 --> 01:37:58,600
Speaker 1: mean they yeah, they'd hunt them down, but but you know,

1690
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:01,360
Speaker 1: whether they use dogs or yeah, but they had dogs

1691
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:03,120
Speaker 1: in those parties. But they killed a lot of bear.

1692
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 1: You know, you you could process the meat, but mainly

1693
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,439
Speaker 1: they wanted the bear for what they could render them into.

1694
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:12,680
Speaker 1: Boon gotten that business selling barrels of bear fat. Yeah,

1695
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: you can get about forty pounds per bear. And they

1696
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,640
Speaker 1: got they killed so many bear and they had so

1697
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:21,160
Speaker 1: much rendered fat that they just got a small bat toe.

1698
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:24,559
Speaker 1: And they when they that, they filled up the bat

1699
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 1: toe with bear fat and they took it down, uh,

1700
01:38:27,640 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: down in Mississippi, and they you know, they get down

1701
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 1: their path Memphis and they get on down their past. Yeah,

1702
01:38:33,120 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 1: and nashes when they sold their bad to a full

1703
01:38:35,920 --> 01:38:38,960
Speaker 1: of bear fat down there. And Masker bought a wedding

1704
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:43,360
Speaker 1: dress for his bride to be off bear fat. I

1705
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,400
Speaker 1: remember when his father in law stood it like him.

1706
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: I remember reading one time that Boone process Boon shot

1707
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:52,000
Speaker 1: uh thirteen black bears in a day one time hunt

1708
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: with his dogs. Wow, wow, no kidding. Yeah, Well, your

1709
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Sandy Creek, you would appreciate this because I know you

1710
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:01,479
Speaker 1: had a some some grizzly run in. He had a

1711
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:05,599
Speaker 1: grizzly run in in Missouri when he was about seventy two. Um,

1712
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: there was he just kind of had that moment that

1713
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,599
Speaker 1: I've ever had. But you guys could probably be tell

1714
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,439
Speaker 1: us about what you just since there's something there and

1715
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 1: you start hearing the breath and uh, he looked and

1716
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: there was a grizzly ride on him. He was checking

1717
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 1: his bear traps out there on the excume. He's trying

1718
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 1: to check in his beaver traps or the effort of Missouri.

1719
01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:28,479
Speaker 1: And he just jumped into a tilt popular pete role

1720
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 1: and just shoveled off there into the Missouri and h

1721
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:33,240
Speaker 1: and he said later he thought he was getting little

1722
01:39:33,240 --> 01:39:35,640
Speaker 1: too old for this. I want to get into the

1723
01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:41,280
Speaker 1: two things that Boon people talk about now, the two mysteries.

1724
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: I think I know what's coming. Okay, I want to

1725
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: end on the unknown. And yeah, and I don't know.

1726
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: You've played in both of these fields. You've written about

1727
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 1: both these issues. The first one is did Daniel Boone

1728
01:39:56,880 --> 01:40:03,320
Speaker 1: make it to the Rocky Mountains? Yeah, that's the It's

1729
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: kind of like Grace. It works in the Bible. I

1730
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 1: can kind of argue both ways. But there's two accounts

1731
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 1: of Boone that have him fairly close to the Yellowstone.

1732
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: Okay and um, they were written by both of these

1733
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: written by children of those two have claimed to have

1734
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: gone with Boone, and uh, they're written about seventy or

1735
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 1: eighty years after the account and and one of the

1736
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,479
Speaker 1: cases especially, the details are really great. I mean they're

1737
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,720
Speaker 1: really tribal specific, like the like the who's on the

1738
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,439
Speaker 1: who was on the trip, and that they had mcin

1739
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: all boats and they were attacked by snake Indians and

1740
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:53,600
Speaker 1: kind of how that went down, and um, yeah, it

1741
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:59,040
Speaker 1: might have happened. I tend two remain neutral on that

1742
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 1: because what happened since those two accounts that were written

1743
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:08,320
Speaker 1: a long time after the alleged event, was that you've

1744
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 1: had other stories about people that actually did go up

1745
01:41:13,240 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 1: that contemporaneous with Boon, like this hunter friend of Boone,

1746
01:41:16,360 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: who name was Michael Stoner. His son George Stoner wrote

1747
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 1: about that, and George Stoner says in his father's account,

1748
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 1: he said, Daniel Boone did not go on this expedition.

1749
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,800
Speaker 1: I've got the exact quote, in fact, I published it.

1750
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 1: But other writers have taken part of Stoner's account and

1751
01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: left out that part that Daniel Boone did not go,

1752
01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: and they incorporated it with these other accounts that have

1753
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 1: Boon there and have created, for lack of a better term,

1754
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 1: hybrid accounts, and then those get republished and republished by

1755
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:52,439
Speaker 1: consensus historians and people like, well there you go. And

1756
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:55,439
Speaker 1: so I remained neutral on that. You know, I want him,

1757
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: I want that moment, you know, I want that image

1758
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:01,600
Speaker 1: of Boons in the Yellowstone to make it to the

1759
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 1: Second West. Yeah, I mean, you know, don't you. Yeah,

1760
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean I'm rooting for him. Yeah, I mean it's like,

1761
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: you know where Boone lived in Missouri, this little tiny

1762
01:42:12,240 --> 01:42:15,400
Speaker 1: Traffords village. It's kind of a my opinion, kind of

1763
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: like them missing link in the Western Fur Trade los

1764
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:22,760
Speaker 1: Errette and it's um Lewis and Clark go through there

1765
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 1: on both legs with their journey eighteen o three eighteen

1766
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: o five, right of that time period, and zebuelon Pike

1767
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:33,160
Speaker 1: is there, you know, as Boone there too. Well see

1768
01:42:33,320 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: there's no mention of Boone. But that's kind of like

1769
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,479
Speaker 1: my point about this Rocky Mountain thing. You know, you

1770
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: want that, you want that to happen. He would have

1771
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:43,760
Speaker 1: been Robin elbows at those yeah, I mean, you know, like,

1772
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:46,080
Speaker 1: who's the big artist back in that time period, Alfred

1773
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:48,920
Speaker 1: Jacob Miller, you know, you want that that oil image

1774
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,320
Speaker 1: of Boone and Lewis and Clark and you know, like

1775
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: like symbolic who you're passing the Yeah, fasten the torch,

1776
01:42:56,400 --> 01:42:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, and you want that image. I do you know,

1777
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,240
Speaker 1: Carl Bobber, the artists or somebody painting Boone out there

1778
01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: and uh the Yellowstone, you know. But but the dates

1779
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:12,280
Speaker 1: are inconsistent. Uh, these hybrid accounts have proliferated and have

1780
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:15,880
Speaker 1: a period in you know, books that are out there,

1781
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,680
Speaker 1: and you know, they may have other evidence that I

1782
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: don't have. I'm not gonna discount that, but I do

1783
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 1: look at a lot of footnotes and I see a

1784
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,000
Speaker 1: lot of the accounts out there about Boone being in

1785
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: the Rockies. And if you'll start examining footnotes, you'll see

1786
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,640
Speaker 1: that a lot of these stories have nothing to do

1787
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,240
Speaker 1: with Boone. It's the same way with the other mystery

1788
01:43:35,320 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: that I think that you're going to bring up. Yeah,

1789
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 1: here's the next mystery. Okay, the legend has this a

1790
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:43,760
Speaker 1: fraternity issue? Legend has it? No, no, no, no, I

1791
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 1: don't know. That's a great mystery. But we're gonn get

1792
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 1: a different miss as not even legend has it when

1793
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:52,680
Speaker 1: the facts are this Boon dies in Missouri. Oh, that

1794
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,879
Speaker 1: one gets buried. Okay, Later, even though he swore off Kentucky,

1795
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:01,559
Speaker 1: said he never go back to Kentucky. Later they come

1796
01:44:01,600 --> 01:44:05,400
Speaker 1: and dig them up and haul um over and rebury

1797
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:08,120
Speaker 1: him in Kentucky and make like a little mausoleum for

1798
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:11,160
Speaker 1: him there in Kentucky, or like a what do you

1799
01:44:11,200 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: call it? What's word? I'm looking for him? Yeah, yeah,

1800
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:17,160
Speaker 1: the little vault. Yeah. But then later some people come

1801
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:20,559
Speaker 1: out and say, I tricked you. That wasn't Boone. He's

1802
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 1: still in Missouri. Yeah. I just wrote a book that

1803
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 1: addresses every bit of that. I don't know if I'm

1804
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 1: allowed to talk about my books. Yeah. Well that's the

1805
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: last thing you're gonna do. After you answer this question.

1806
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 1: You can tell people what books you wrote. If you

1807
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:38,439
Speaker 1: want to go visit Boone's grave, Yeah, do you head

1808
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: to Missouri or do you head to Kentucky. I had

1809
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,760
Speaker 1: the Kentucky because what was left of Daniel Boone and

1810
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 1: what was left of his wife, Rebecca, and people tend

1811
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:48,000
Speaker 1: to leave her out. And by the way, we really

1812
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,800
Speaker 1: ought to talk about women on the frontier. Sometime uh

1813
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:56,200
Speaker 1: was exhumed and taken to Kentucky. Daniel Boon died in

1814
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: Rebecca died seven years before. Just imagine this. You go

1815
01:45:05,080 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 1: out on that little Noel out there and you said,

1816
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:10,479
Speaker 1: I want to be buried right there. I don't want

1817
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 1: to be back into Kentucky because they treated me really

1818
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: bad on land deals. And you know Boot always said,

1819
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 1: give him the choice between going back to Kentucky and

1820
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,320
Speaker 1: laying his head on a chopping block. He'd have no

1821
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 1: hesitation to lay his head on the shopping block. Really, yeah,

1822
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: he didn't want to go back to Kentucky. You know

1823
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 1: you had asked earlier about you know, why did didn't

1824
01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: Boot like Kentucky? Bood love Kentucky. He didn't love what

1825
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,120
Speaker 1: had happened to it. He didn't love what had happened

1826
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: to him there. But yeah, his remains were exhumed, and

1827
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:45,840
Speaker 1: if you read the accounts very carefully, it's very clear

1828
01:45:46,040 --> 01:45:48,360
Speaker 1: that they came and they dug up what they could find.

1829
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,759
Speaker 1: You know, we're not talking about the greatest embalming methods

1830
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: in twenty you know. And you know they get and

1831
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:59,599
Speaker 1: they put what's left of the Boone's in small pine

1832
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: box is that are like wide enough for a pelvis

1833
01:46:02,439 --> 01:46:05,040
Speaker 1: and long enough for long bones, fevers and stuff, and

1834
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:07,240
Speaker 1: kind of high enough for skulls. And they're in small

1835
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:10,120
Speaker 1: little boxes and they take these back to Kentucky and

1836
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: they inter them in September eight Nobody when Moon was buried,

1837
01:46:19,760 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 1: and for forty years, maybe fifty between forty five years

1838
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 1: after he was buried, nobody ever said anything about he

1839
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 1: may be in the wrong grave, or they might have

1840
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,560
Speaker 1: got the wrong bones or something like that. None of

1841
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 1: that ever happened. It happens. You know, by about eight nine, Missourians, Uh,

1842
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,880
Speaker 1: they want the boone's back. They realized kind of like

1843
01:46:41,960 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 1: what they've done. And I just had to tell you

1844
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:48,160
Speaker 1: the Missourians really got um kind of craft on by

1845
01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: the Kentuckians. You know, they could you know, the Kentucky

1846
01:46:51,640 --> 01:46:54,080
Speaker 1: has wanted to build a really and they did. They

1847
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:57,640
Speaker 1: wanted a fancy cemetery with the state capital, and so

1848
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: they organized a corporation, the Frankfort Cemetery Company into and

1849
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 1: they they wanted a garden cemetery. Garden cemeteries were really

1850
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 1: big in Europe. They were big in America, like in

1851
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,479
Speaker 1: Mount Auburn in Boston. You know, but we got to

1852
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: have famous people, Well who do we get you know,

1853
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 1: you had to have a famous person to make Yeah, well,

1854
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:23,560
Speaker 1: people would come in and they would stroll around, and

1855
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:26,680
Speaker 1: there was an idea that it's kind of like spiritualism,

1856
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: which I know you've heard of. They think that you're

1857
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 1: you're not only communing with each other, but you're communing

1858
01:47:30,720 --> 01:47:35,560
Speaker 1: with the dead. And and this is a garden cemetery

1859
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:41,919
Speaker 1: um had they would actually import in trees and shrubs

1860
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:46,280
Speaker 1: and landscaping. Um. It was a whole novel kind of thing.

1861
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:48,519
Speaker 1: You know that the cemeteries that they had then, like

1862
01:47:48,640 --> 01:47:51,040
Speaker 1: in Frankfort, you know you had a future church cemeteries

1863
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:54,160
Speaker 1: with the leaning crosses and some mold farm cemeteries or

1864
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 1: dogs were digging up bones and dragging them around. And

1865
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: so they really wanted a suitable cemetery for Frankfort. And

1866
01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: so to make this go you had to have somebody famous.

1867
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:09,599
Speaker 1: And so who but you know, the the first family

1868
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:13,639
Speaker 1: of pioneering in Kentucky, Daniel and Rebecca Boon. And so, yeah,

1869
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:17,320
Speaker 1: the way that the needle is threaded a lot of

1870
01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:20,200
Speaker 1: times these days people will say I've had a number

1871
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 1: of Missourians who, at least up to this time of

1872
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:26,000
Speaker 1: this recording, has accepted me as a friend and as

1873
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:29,200
Speaker 1: a brother. There's still tension between Missouri and Kentucky about

1874
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 1: this politically and um. But they'll say, well, yeah, the

1875
01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 1: Kentuckians came about what bones they could get, but we

1876
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: have his viscera, we have his heart, we have his skin.

1877
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:47,200
Speaker 1: And they start really like kind of threading that kind

1878
01:48:47,240 --> 01:48:49,800
Speaker 1: of needle, like he's mainly here in the soil, but

1879
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 1: they have some bones. So you know your original question,

1880
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: where should we go to visit them? Well, by that interpretation,

1881
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 1: you go bote to the little cimitar ary that David

1882
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:05,439
Speaker 1: Bryan Cemetery in present day Morrisesville, Missouri, and then you

1883
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 1: go to frankfurt Um. But I don't think we make

1884
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:12,240
Speaker 1: those exceptions about other people. I can you know, if

1885
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: you bring it back war veterans like from I don't

1886
01:49:14,360 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: know where, you you know, Vietnam or IWA, GiMA or something,

1887
01:49:16,920 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: they don't go like, well, you know, we have a

1888
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 1: little bit I mean more about Arlington, but the bulk

1889
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 1: of mem still over and you incorporated into the minerals

1890
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 1: of the soil. Yeah, I mean that's so, but I

1891
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: understand that, and uh, you know, both places have their

1892
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 1: validity and Uh, you know, it really is a shame.

1893
01:49:35,400 --> 01:49:38,640
Speaker 1: But you know, Frankfort, Kentucky, if we're at me, like,

1894
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 1: where would I go and say this is what was

1895
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: left to the man, This is where I would go.

1896
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: Is there anything that we left out that you wish

1897
01:49:46,120 --> 01:49:50,080
Speaker 1: we'd have talked about today about old dB? Yeah? I

1898
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:52,800
Speaker 1: think I think Boone fundamentally was a very good man.

1899
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 1: I think at a time when America could use heroes

1900
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 1: that that Boon in his own way kind of helps

1901
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:03,800
Speaker 1: filled that niche. He certainly had his flaws, and we

1902
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:07,600
Speaker 1: really have trouble relating to this time period. I mean

1903
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:10,599
Speaker 1: that there's only very few times in Boone's lifetime, very

1904
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 1: few years where he's not living in an era of

1905
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 1: a named war. I mean he's born in seventeen thirty four.

1906
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 1: You know, by seventeen forty four you have King George's War,

1907
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: which is in uh New York. It's an Arcadia, it's

1908
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:38,600
Speaker 1: spilling into the Caribbean, but that will help precipitate the

1909
01:50:38,680 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: French and Indian War, and he lives through that. And

1910
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:45,439
Speaker 1: then you have this really very brief bloody epoch, uh,

1911
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:49,839
Speaker 1: Lord Dunbore's War of just death up and down the Frontier.

1912
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 1: Boon lives through that. You have the American Revolution. Uh,

1913
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:55,920
Speaker 1: then you have the War of eighteen twelve, and and

1914
01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:59,799
Speaker 1: Boons seventy two years old, and he's still participating locally

1915
01:50:59,880 --> 01:51:02,479
Speaker 1: in Missouri in the War of eighteen twelve. He's helping

1916
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:06,320
Speaker 1: guard for its and man palisades and so forth. It's

1917
01:51:06,360 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: just this, it's just a different time. It's just a

1918
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,120
Speaker 1: different era, and we can't go back and judge people

1919
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,320
Speaker 1: by those kinds of standards. I mean, they're not hunting

1920
01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:18,400
Speaker 1: um two uh, some kind of a recreational thing. I

1921
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:22,600
Speaker 1: mean it was extraordinarily hard and frankly put. You know,

1922
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:26,360
Speaker 1: the frontier wasn't tamed literally until the women came out there.

1923
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 1: You know, it's the women that basically civilized the men.

1924
01:51:29,240 --> 01:51:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean the women did everything that the men did.

1925
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 1: Like Rebecca Boon. I mean she shoots the flintlock, she's

1926
01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 1: skinned the deer, she managed the palisades, she molds bullets.

1927
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: She's willingly takes her pewter, which is precious items they

1928
01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 1: didn't have very much, and takes the pewter and molds

1929
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,880
Speaker 1: that down and use that for bullets. Um. The women

1930
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 1: would go out in teams while the men are gone

1931
01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:53,560
Speaker 1: long hunting or while the men are off skirmishing, the

1932
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 1: women go out in teams and plow. You know, one

1933
01:51:56,640 --> 01:51:58,720
Speaker 1: group would plow wow. Another group would out be out

1934
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: there with their guns and there must gets, and they're

1935
01:52:00,920 --> 01:52:04,120
Speaker 1: sometimes pitchforks and axes, whatever they had, and they would

1936
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:06,639
Speaker 1: guard the women that were plowing, and after an hour

1937
01:52:06,760 --> 01:52:10,040
Speaker 1: or so they would switch. And so it's when the

1938
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,040
Speaker 1: women get out there. You know. I really am a

1939
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:16,120
Speaker 1: firm believer without being too cliche, that behind successful men

1940
01:52:16,240 --> 01:52:19,479
Speaker 1: there are important, powerful women. And this is certainly the

1941
01:52:19,520 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: case of Daniel Boone. Um. You know, he was married

1942
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 1: to Rebecca for fifty six years. She bears ten children

1943
01:52:28,360 --> 01:52:32,000
Speaker 1: and one dies soon after birth. They adopt four more

1944
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 1: from Boone's brother Israel. Then they adopt six more from

1945
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:41,080
Speaker 1: Rebecca's sister who dies. You know, but they're really typical

1946
01:52:41,200 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 1: of the American pioneer. You know. The American long hunter

1947
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:48,679
Speaker 1: is the first real American fist in the wilderness. John

1948
01:52:48,760 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 1: Stewart is the first American blood, true American blood that's

1949
01:52:52,360 --> 01:52:55,719
Speaker 1: slained in the first salvos of the American Revolution before

1950
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:59,759
Speaker 1: it really happens. Uh, these guys with the driving force

1951
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:03,200
Speaker 1: that helped found this country. And you know Boone was

1952
01:53:03,280 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: never a war monger. You know, you had those kind

1953
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:08,760
Speaker 1: of people just like you had um and in the

1954
01:53:08,840 --> 01:53:11,720
Speaker 1: ancient world, whether you're talking about Achilles or Napoleon or

1955
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,960
Speaker 1: Patent or so forth, that's not Boone. Um. You know,

1956
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: he didn't brandish his patriotism. But they founded this country.

1957
01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 1: And um enough camp he said, they were the first

1958
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:27,200
Speaker 1: and my apologies to Tom Broke, all the first great

1959
01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:32,519
Speaker 1: generation and they should be be given their due. He's

1960
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:36,719
Speaker 1: been on the show. Indeed, we were talking earlier about

1961
01:53:36,840 --> 01:53:39,479
Speaker 1: Samuel Brady and Lou Whistle and these guys that turned

1962
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 1: into rabbit Indian haters. Boone had every reason to be that,

1963
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:47,599
Speaker 1: yet he was not. That He had his firstborn son,

1964
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,639
Speaker 1: James is killed by Indians, second born son Israel, killed

1965
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:55,879
Speaker 1: by Indians, brother in law John Stewart, killed by Indians,

1966
01:53:56,200 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: brother ned Edward. They called it killed by Indie ends

1967
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:05,720
Speaker 1: and yet Boone never reverted to that level of savagery.

1968
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:09,160
Speaker 1: Part of this is his upbringing. He was raised a Quaker.

1969
01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 1: He really saw value in other cultures and he learned

1970
01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:15,400
Speaker 1: from Indians. His learning from Indian tail to hunt that

1971
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,639
Speaker 1: only made him successful as as a hunter, but also

1972
01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:24,640
Speaker 1: just reveals a mindset of his true humanity. And this

1973
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:26,800
Speaker 1: is a pattern that he'll have throughout his life. And

1974
01:54:26,920 --> 01:54:29,599
Speaker 1: in many ways that you know, we were flawed characters.

1975
01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: We all have, I do tremendous feet of clay. But

1976
01:54:34,360 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: but there's a lot about Boon that is very, very admirable.

1977
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:41,440
Speaker 1: He never resourced to like the racial the racial hating.

1978
01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:43,800
Speaker 1: You had men in his day that literally would drag

1979
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:46,720
Speaker 1: Indian corpses up to the fort, like Hugh mc garry

1980
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,600
Speaker 1: would do this and chop them up and feed them

1981
01:54:49,640 --> 01:54:53,080
Speaker 1: to the dogs because they were so embittered because of

1982
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:55,600
Speaker 1: death in their own family. And this the idea that

1983
01:54:56,360 --> 01:55:00,720
Speaker 1: somehow this gives them a personal revenge. And Boone saw this.

1984
01:55:01,040 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 1: You know, how would I react to seeing that? I

1985
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 1: don't know? And how do you living that and not

1986
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:11,040
Speaker 1: revert to some level of savagery like that yourself. This

1987
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 1: is what's so interesting about Boone. You know, you had

1988
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,920
Speaker 1: men that and this is one reason why people feared

1989
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:21,520
Speaker 1: the forest. I mean the term savage. We would oftentimes

1990
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:23,840
Speaker 1: just apply this to Indians, and they didn't just apply

1991
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:27,320
Speaker 1: to Indians. You know, the beast were savage. The forests

1992
01:55:27,320 --> 01:55:31,240
Speaker 1: were savage, the people within the forest were savage. They

1993
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:34,320
Speaker 1: feared that because it was seen as like this dark,

1994
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:38,200
Speaker 1: malevolent forest that you would revert to. Boone never does.

1995
01:55:39,160 --> 01:55:44,960
Speaker 1: Now he stays this kind of figure of great humanity.

1996
01:55:45,520 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 1: And even today, you know, why are we talking about

1997
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: him two one years after his death? I think for

1998
01:55:52,440 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 1: these kind of reasons. His resonance is still there. And

1999
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 1: then you have the just the notion of going over

2000
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,480
Speaker 1: the next hill and seeing what's over there, and that

2001
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:05,120
Speaker 1: it really is. You know that that heart that was

2002
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:08,879
Speaker 1: beating under that buckskin coat, that's the heart of every American.

2003
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 1: That's something deep and precious on our own. Psyche, I think, Yeah,

2004
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,760
Speaker 1: you got a new book come out recently. We're gonna

2005
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,360
Speaker 1: plux books before we end here. Okay, I'll tell you

2006
01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,480
Speaker 1: my favorite book. You tell me you're tell me your

2007
01:56:20,520 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 1: new book. My new book is called Finding Daniel Boone,

2008
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:30,440
Speaker 1: His Last Days in Missouri and the Strange Fate of

2009
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:36,880
Speaker 1: his remains. And it covers every shred of where Boone is,

2010
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:40,560
Speaker 1: you know, the history of this entire episode, all the

2011
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:43,600
Speaker 1: different stories and legend. It has the only forensic evidence

2012
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 1: that was ever done on the on the Boone's Skull Cast,

2013
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: but it's it also incorporates a lot of information about

2014
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:54,120
Speaker 1: Boone's last days in Missouri, like the area that he

2015
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:57,200
Speaker 1: lived in and uh La Cherette, Missouri. It talks a

2016
01:56:57,240 --> 01:57:00,440
Speaker 1: lot about his hunting and trapping. His last was kind

2017
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 1: of adventures, and it's done in a kind of a

2018
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 1: narrative combination of first person and third person, kind of

2019
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 1: like Tony Horwitz. I don't know if you like, you know,

2020
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:13,880
Speaker 1: Ian Frasier, those kind of guys. I love their writing.

2021
01:57:14,640 --> 01:57:17,760
Speaker 1: And um yeah, that one just came out. That's available

2022
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:23,520
Speaker 1: from the History Press and I'm looking at it on

2023
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:27,760
Speaker 1: Amazon right now. I brought your coffee. Oh sweet, I

2024
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:31,240
Speaker 1: need to hit order. So I'll tell you how I

2025
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:33,360
Speaker 1: found you, how I became a fan of your books.

2026
01:57:33,920 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 1: Your book The Long Hunt, Death of the Buffalo East

2027
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:40,240
Speaker 1: of the Mississippi, which is a good ass book. Then

2028
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 1: my personal favorite, which I read after that, was just

2029
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 1: The Hunters of Kentucky and it tells the stories, methodologies,

2030
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:53,440
Speaker 1: everything of the Long Hunters. Yeah, yeah, The Hunters that

2031
01:57:53,520 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 1: Kentucky a narrative history of America's first Far West. Great book.

2032
01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, you put it on a like top

2033
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:07,840
Speaker 1: ten list in TWI or something that one of my

2034
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 1: friends sent me. The link probably sold the Piss album too,

2035
01:58:10,720 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 1: didn't we like hotcakes? Yeah? Five cents of stacks. I'm

2036
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:22,000
Speaker 1: looking at it right now, paperback. Well, I would encourage

2037
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:25,600
Speaker 1: folks to us. If they don't mind to support my work,

2038
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,360
Speaker 1: I will say, um, you know my books are available

2039
01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 1: on Amazon and Barnes and Noble, from local indies and

2040
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:33,960
Speaker 1: so forth. I try to support them. The new book

2041
01:58:33,960 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 1: out on on Boone, on Finding Daniel Boone. That's the

2042
01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 1: only real glimpse of Boone's um Missouri years. I would

2043
01:58:42,000 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 1: like to do a much larger work. It actually wasn't

2044
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:46,680
Speaker 1: much larger work, but I had to scale it way back.

2045
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:51,320
Speaker 1: If you want to dig in though on some of

2046
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 1: the subject we've covered most extensively here, Uh The Hunters

2047
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 1: of Kentucky narrative history of America's first far As the West,

2048
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 1: phenomenal book. Thank you, Yeah, I got it. I got

2049
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:06,000
Speaker 1: a phone call one day. It was March sixth this year,

2050
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:09,200
Speaker 1: and uh it was from Russia Western Writers of America.

2051
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 1: And I didn't I let it record because I didn't

2052
01:59:12,720 --> 01:59:16,000
Speaker 1: know what it was. But I did it. Three part

2053
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:22,920
Speaker 1: trilogy on Daniel Boone's This Whole Rocky Mountain Story and

2054
01:59:23,240 --> 01:59:27,680
Speaker 1: for Muzzleloader Magazine. I write for Muzzleloader Magazine magazine for

2055
01:59:27,720 --> 01:59:32,760
Speaker 1: a black Powder Affecianados and um Unknown to Be. This

2056
01:59:33,560 --> 01:59:37,520
Speaker 1: three part article from Muzzleloader had been submitted to Western

2057
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: Writers of America and it actually won UM Best Short Nonfiction.

2058
01:59:42,640 --> 01:59:44,880
Speaker 1: So I went out to Colorado and yeah, I got

2059
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:48,400
Speaker 1: a relationship. Man, I mean, I got ah, it's pretty cool. Yeah,

2060
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 1: and so um yeah, so that's great your work was

2061
01:59:54,480 --> 01:59:57,160
Speaker 1: your work was honored. Yeah. I thought it was a

2062
01:59:57,320 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 1: prank phone call at first, because I have a lot

2063
01:59:59,120 --> 02:00:03,360
Speaker 1: of friends that would and stuff like that. I had

2064
02:00:03,400 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 1: that half a one time I was in college. So

2065
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:06,480
Speaker 1: I call him, said, yeah, Glenn Campbell wants you to

2066
02:00:06,520 --> 02:00:09,000
Speaker 1: play with him, And I said really. I started jumping

2067
02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:10,920
Speaker 1: up and down, and I think it was a girl

2068
02:00:11,000 --> 02:00:14,040
Speaker 1: from the door of the next over. I just played

2069
02:00:14,040 --> 02:00:15,600
Speaker 1: with Glenn Campbell on a golf course and so I

2070
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 1: thought he was calling me back. I never got the call.

2071
02:00:20,560 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 1: That's great to have. Uh, that's great that you're work

2072
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,360
Speaker 1: was recognized. I'm a big fan of the books. I

2073
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:29,200
Speaker 1: love the books. Oh, people go out and get some

2074
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 1: check them. Out. Yeah, And before we wrap up, as

2075
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:36,720
Speaker 1: this episode airs, Clay Nucombe is all it's in the

2076
02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 1: middle of a multi part series on Bargrease about Daniel Bood.

2077
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,480
Speaker 1: So if you're if you're interested, go read Ted's books

2078
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:46,240
Speaker 1: and listen to bar Grease. Thank you for having me.

2079
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 1: It's been a real honor and I really really do

2080
02:00:49,400 --> 02:00:52,040
Speaker 1: appreciate it. And I'll point out the folks real quick.

2081
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:59,640
Speaker 1: Did uh Clay Newcomb Beargrease podcast is doing right now.

2082
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:03,320
Speaker 1: He's doing a couple of pieces on Boone, focusing on

2083
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 1: the Cumberland Gap and what else is he focusing on?

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Speaker 1: Phil Oh, he's he's diving into everything. I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a three episode series, but he's he's also

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Speaker 1: tackling kind of um Like Ted brought up how we

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Speaker 1: needed heroes at that time, He's diving into kind of

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Speaker 1: Boone's effect on pop culture and how we see ourselves

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Speaker 1: as Americans and kind of a societal impact and stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. Fascinating character man. All right, Ted Franklin Blue,

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Speaker 1: check out his books. Thank you much, appreciate it, appreciate

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Speaker 1: you coming on. Thank you very much. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: for for a Kentucky boy by way of Florida. He is.

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Speaker 1: It's a big deal, and and I really sure enough,

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. I wish you're corporate, if he

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Speaker 1: didn't have short writ up. But you can't have everything.

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