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Speaker 3: We have lots to get to, but let's start with
Speaker 3: news and notes.
Speaker 4: Patrick no C. Walker, first of all.
Speaker 5: I love that you started this this podcast episode with
Speaker 5: a big word that people don't use every day. Because
Speaker 5: I'm a words guy. Sotimate.
Speaker 3: I'm a word smith. If you I like big words
Speaker 3: like gymnasium.
Speaker 4: I love it. Amazing is a big word.
Speaker 3: It's a long word.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 5: I thought you were gonna say something like auto out appel,
Speaker 5: you know, indubitably.
Speaker 2: Speaking of Jim Nay, I don't mean to cut you off,
Speaker 2: but you do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, but uh, you know, back in the day
Speaker 6: when we were still wrestling in the house that my
Speaker 6: grandpa used to cut.
Speaker 4: Why I remember those days.
Speaker 2: They know Jim Nay, he said, Jim Nay, calm yourself.
Speaker 5: Now this they know gd flex and and brothers and
Speaker 5: sometimes sisters on mattresses and whatnot. You know, tackle football,
Speaker 5: get the pillars and go about to They don't know
Speaker 5: about that, you know, absolute wrestling on the dirty mattress
Speaker 5: out back. They don't know about that. We came up,
Speaker 5: all right, So news and notes. A couple of quick
Speaker 5: points here. Brandon Aubrey will see if he's back today,
Speaker 5: But as of yesterday, which would have been Tuesday's practice
Speaker 5: walked through mock game if you will, he hadn't returned
Speaker 5: just yet. But for great news, he was racing out
Speaker 5: of the preseason opener against the Rams because his.
Speaker 4: Wife was in labor.
Speaker 5: So congratulations, baby Butter Aubrey has arrived. Congratulations to the
Speaker 5: Aubrey family. He is tending to his loved ones right now,
Speaker 5: and he will return as soon as it is feasible
Speaker 5: for him to do so.
Speaker 4: In Vegas, in Vegas, in Vegue.
Speaker 2: Does it need to be out here?
Speaker 4: No, he does not. You know they got the he doesn't.
Speaker 3: I have no urgency.
Speaker 2: We don't have any quarters.
Speaker 4: About keep going on Florida, Just keep going for it
Speaker 4: on fourth it's in Vegas.
Speaker 2: The kickoff, he don't even need to kick.
Speaker 4: Nobody got to kick off.
Speaker 2: You gotta kick them.
Speaker 4: Is Jeff Heath available? As I like that. It's just
Speaker 4: it's just just Heath available. But if you have Michael,
Speaker 4: kick it.
Speaker 6: If you have one, yeah, but you got here field
Speaker 6: because you gott to go forward four or five times.
Speaker 6: You don't make you man, You don't like the partner
Speaker 6: in preseason. If it's for like the kick in preseason.
Speaker 4: Go forward on fourth and thirty. It's preseason.
Speaker 5: Evaluate these guys, man, second piece of information, piece of
Speaker 5: news and notes too. On the bad news front, he
Speaker 5: suffered an injury to one of his big toes. He
Speaker 5: exited the game against the Rams.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: He left the stadium in a walking boot, and it's
Speaker 5: been said that he will miss upwards of ten weeks
Speaker 5: and surgery is on the table as far as possibly
Speaker 5: being needed. How does that work with the Cowboys IR situation?
Speaker 5: An amendment was made, so this is kind of a
Speaker 5: book keeping note for all of the fans. Used to be,
Speaker 5: you had to carry a guy on the active roster
Speaker 5: for at least one day before you put him on
Speaker 5: i R if you want him to return that season.
Speaker 5: The NFL changed it this year, so you have to
Speaker 5: wait until final roster cut downs. But you can designate
Speaker 5: two guys to move the IR on the day of
Speaker 5: final roster cutdowns, and those guys can return after four games.
Speaker 5: But you can only do that with two players, so too,
Speaker 5: Midoga might be one of those guys. But that's gonna
Speaker 5: obviously thrust Tyler Guyton where he needs to be, which
Speaker 5: is starting at left tackle anyway.
Speaker 3: And totally eliminates our argument last week or or on
Speaker 3: Monday about Tyler Goton being number one.
Speaker 4: Clarence, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a conversation.
Speaker 6: Conversation there was Tyler got was number one when he
Speaker 6: got drafted. That was the conversation, that was the start,
Speaker 6: right now, that it was never a converse. There was
Speaker 6: never a question that he was going to be the starter.
Speaker 4: Of course he won.
Speaker 2: That was never a question.
Speaker 6: But what other thing that we're missing is that it
Speaker 6: brings in the focus to the swing tackle, do you know?
Speaker 6: And and that's the question because it's not about Chima
Speaker 6: Chimba Duggs never started, but he was gonna be the
Speaker 6: swing tackle.
Speaker 2: He was gonna be your third tackle. Now who's your
Speaker 2: third tackle?
Speaker 6: It's this This messes up the depth at tackle and
Speaker 6: those other guys look, well, let's go ball.
Speaker 2: Richard Doll unproven and you don't know what you have.
Speaker 6: And we you know, we saw what Richards looked like
Speaker 6: last week against Rams when old boy, you know, start
Speaker 6: throwing them around a little bit, you know, evend know
Speaker 6: they tried to say it was Zach Brtin black Mark.
Speaker 6: But again the question is that is the depth that tackle.
Speaker 6: Your backup tackles are coming to Focals now for the
Speaker 6: next two preseason games.
Speaker 3: And if I'm correct, me if I'm wrong, but was
Speaker 3: it awesome Richards that was starting in the Miami game
Speaker 3: that we were.
Speaker 5: I mean it didn't look last year. Yeah, No, it
Speaker 5: wasn't awesome Richards. Didn't he didn't get who was that
Speaker 5: was then awesome Richards. One of the knocks to Awesome
Speaker 5: Richards coming into this offseason was that he was unable
Speaker 5: to earn any reps on the field even when they
Speaker 5: needed a tackle to step up when Chum Dogga was struggling.
Speaker 5: So this is Awesome Richards quite literally trying to break
Speaker 5: through from I mean, he was on the active roster
Speaker 5: last year, but he's trying to break through from being
Speaker 5: you know, inactive.
Speaker 4: On a weekly basis to actually get on the field.
Speaker 5: And obviously we're talking about him in a swing tackle
Speaker 5: capacity because, like like Clarence is saying, now, the question
Speaker 5: becomes with Chuma gone for upwards of two months, h
Speaker 5: Matt will Letsko is going to be more relegated to
Speaker 5: right tackle, which is what Mike McCarthy told us on yesterday,
Speaker 5: and Austin Richards is going to be more relegated to
Speaker 5: left tackle, so it's less swing as much, you know,
Speaker 5: versus these two guys are going to be planted here
Speaker 5: and we'll see when they go from there.
Speaker 4: And Josh baul.
Speaker 5: Him on the inside. So he's still longer at tackle.
Speaker 5: He's a guard now, so but we know who's not
Speaker 5: an option, right, So there you go. There you go,
Speaker 5: and real quick, I forgot I forgot one one key
Speaker 5: bit of news and notes. One keeping the news and notes,
Speaker 5: and then we'll come back to the office line conversation
Speaker 5: and we'll move from there. Michael Parsons, as far as
Speaker 5: the update, the latest, what's going on with Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 5: and his contract talks. We talked in the last episode
Speaker 5: about Jerry Jones kind of reframing his words with the
Speaker 5: sense of urgency. Yesterday, Michael Parsons issued a bit of
Speaker 5: a promise and basically said, no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: And this is a quote, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: Week one, he Ceedee Lamb will be suiting up for
Speaker 5: the Dallas Cowboys end quote. So Micah has been in
Speaker 5: constant talks with Ceedee Lamb. He says, Lamb is watching
Speaker 5: practice film, giving Michaeh some feedback to say the least,
Speaker 5: and Mica is confident micha is guaranteeing that he will
Speaker 5: be on a field week one to two.
Speaker 2: Things, There's never been a question in anybody's mind that
Speaker 2: c wasn't gonna go.
Speaker 4: There are questions and the wrong people.
Speaker 6: Okay, anybody that that's been experienced, that that knows how
Speaker 6: things go, knows, have never not signed anybody that they wanted.
Speaker 2: The King never not.
Speaker 4: It was a question in the minds of the fans.
Speaker 4: You were referring to last.
Speaker 1: Week, so.
Speaker 6: And going back to last week, and and I would
Speaker 6: say that, and I think Michael's attitude and conversation is
Speaker 6: important because there was this controversy about Okay, see the's mad,
Speaker 6: Michael retweeted CD. So Michael's mad. Everybody's mad. That's cool
Speaker 6: by ya, Now, okay, you know it's dissipated CD. You know,
Speaker 6: he took all the cowboy stuff off his social media.
Speaker 2: He was on on some zoom the other day.
Speaker 6: The Cowboy fan drafted him number one overall and he's all,
Speaker 6: you know, all part of the zoom looking up with
Speaker 6: the Cowboys fan. He you know, and to Michael's and
Speaker 6: just Michael talking about that CD's watching practice. The guy
Speaker 6: that's mad, right, he ain't watching practice breaking down how
Speaker 6: great Michael is.
Speaker 2: Okay, now the contract ain't done. They still got some
Speaker 2: work to do.
Speaker 6: But of course there's nobody there's no doubt that at
Speaker 6: some point it's gonna get done because the Cowboys always
Speaker 6: moves and get it done.
Speaker 2: They gonna close the gap. But yeah, it is what
Speaker 2: it is. But so it was a it was a
Speaker 2: good story. You know, y'all. Talk about what's going on
Speaker 2: in sandwichis go you know, right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, talk about more controversy.
Speaker 5: Talk about Jamar Chase and how he you know, what's
Speaker 5: going on in Cincinnati, like, those are far more contentious
Speaker 5: situations than what's happening here in Dallas. So don't don't
Speaker 5: let the social media stuff for you. It's it will happen,
Speaker 5: and it will happen here soon. And Michael knows.
Speaker 7: Michael knows everybody, Yeah, Michaeh discussing a working brain knows.
Speaker 3: Did he discuss the twenty twenty eight Olympics at all?
Speaker 4: He did? I don't. It's hard to tell if he's joking, man,
Speaker 4: it's how you would like to think he is.
Speaker 3: So for those who don't know, Michael tweeted out that
Speaker 3: he is ready to uh take and everybody you know, prepare.
Speaker 2: Walked the way he would laughing because he don't even know.
Speaker 2: He don't even know what sporty gonna play.
Speaker 4: He don't even know. He don't even have a sports
Speaker 4: set it up? What did michaelsfont On Twitter?
Speaker 3: Michael said he's gonna take twenty twenty seven off from
Speaker 3: football so that he can prepare for the twenty twenty
Speaker 3: eight Summer Games.
Speaker 5: It's hard to I want to believe he's joking, and
Speaker 5: I do believe he's joking, but it's so hard to
Speaker 5: which sport he well, he said hand pain.
Speaker 6: Now now when we walked away, he don't know what's
Speaker 6: fort and second of all, you do you do?
Speaker 2: And he's there.
Speaker 6: He respects the game you respect. Ain't no way you
Speaker 6: can take one year off prepare for the Olympics. These
Speaker 6: people are doing this for the entire life.
Speaker 5: So we know he's tennis. Whatever it is, hamb break dance,
Speaker 5: break dancing.
Speaker 4: They break dance.
Speaker 2: I told him, and he got a break. That's probably
Speaker 2: the closest thing you can do. But it'specter compared to
Speaker 2: that Australian woman.
Speaker 6: But they got rid of break. It's not gonna be
Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty Olympics. Now what hals happened? You know,
Speaker 6: because Michael was you know he's in this good jovial mood.
Speaker 6: So Mike McCarthy kind of ripped him a by his
Speaker 6: you know running back you know last which.
Speaker 4: Was which was in? Which was fun?
Speaker 2: Yes, he was having fun.
Speaker 5: And then Michael's response was fun, here comes social media
Speaker 5: doing the social media.
Speaker 2: We just did it with Michael's response. Okay.
Speaker 6: So Michael also said that when he gets thirty, the
Speaker 6: old age of thirty, he's gonna tell Jerry.
Speaker 2: Either I get it. Yeah, I get a chance to
Speaker 2: run the ball and running back.
Speaker 4: I'm retired.
Speaker 2: No that not you're still gonna, I say, can you
Speaker 2: still run?
Speaker 4: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: I'll probably be about a four or five.
Speaker 3: I'm done to see a goal line package with Michael
Speaker 3: Parsons come on.
Speaker 4: Too much, too much value? You want to see him?
Speaker 4: Don't play.
Speaker 5: Don't play with church money. Don't play with the church's money,
Speaker 5: like just put it in the offer plate and pass
Speaker 5: it along. Don't play the church's money. But one thing
Speaker 5: I will say I believe he was serious about was
Speaker 5: kind of off the cuff when he was talking about
Speaker 5: he was praising Marshaw Kneeling rookie second round pick, and
Speaker 5: in that conversation he kind of casually slid in I
Speaker 5: look forward to playing, you know, alongside him for several
Speaker 5: years to come.
Speaker 4: I like that. Keep that energy, keep that energy. I
Speaker 4: like it. I like it.
Speaker 3: Good good stuff from Micah. Now we're getting ready. We
Speaker 3: haven't done this yet. We're getting ready for the second
Speaker 3: Cowboys versus Rams practice. So this is the third time
Speaker 3: we've seen this team in the last week six days.
Speaker 4: How are we looking? I mean, what is the.
Speaker 3: What is the impetus here? Why are we doing this
Speaker 3: again with the Rams? Why are we being so familiar
Speaker 3: with the Los Angeles Rams at this point in training camp?
Speaker 2: They don't play on the record season number one, Uh huh,
Speaker 2: number two.
Speaker 6: It's good work for the starters. I mean, the starters
Speaker 6: are not playing the preseason, right.
Speaker 2: They like the work. The card of the work you get,
Speaker 2: you know, you get tired of going against the other team.
Speaker 6: And this is the way teams are supplementing the lack
Speaker 6: of preseason games, sort of lack of work with the starters.
Speaker 2: You get the practice aast another team, you know, Dak Prescott.
Speaker 6: Gets to see another defense and and and throw against
Speaker 6: other guys than their own and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So that's part of it.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen anything like this where you've seen
Speaker 3: the same team in training camp.
Speaker 2: For but who close to each other? I mean, who worked.
Speaker 6: I mean, you don't have a lot of teams that
Speaker 6: that have this close proximity to be able to do that.
Speaker 6: And remember the Rams, like Ramsey had three joint practice sessions,
Speaker 6: you know, Cowboys on when they got three or four.
Speaker 6: They've been doing this, you know, since it started camp.
Speaker 2: This is what they like to do.
Speaker 6: They like to and so it's just convenient they right
Speaker 6: down the road on thousand oars. It's just real convenient
Speaker 6: to get this done.
Speaker 5: I mean, and too Chill's point. Really, at this point
Speaker 5: in training camp, you want to escalate how you're sharpening
Speaker 5: your blade.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 5: It's one thing to go against you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 5: defense and the Cowboys defense, going against the Cowboys offense
Speaker 5: and the weapons that are included therein but it's an
Speaker 5: entirely different thing to have another team come.
Speaker 4: In here and practice against you.
Speaker 5: And and it is great work for the first team,
Speaker 5: it's because they're not going to see any work for
Speaker 5: the most part in the preseason. You didn't see him
Speaker 5: against the Los Angeles Rams at SOFI on Sunday. You're
Speaker 5: not going to see him against the Raiders this Saturday,
Speaker 5: and you're not going to see him against the Chargers
Speaker 5: on the Sunday following what I think this what makes
Speaker 5: this interesting now with the injury to chewing with ydoga,
Speaker 5: is how do the Cowboys handle Tyler Goyton. Okay, my
Speaker 5: question that I kind of posed to myself and I've
Speaker 5: been contemplating it is self self and I said self,
Speaker 5: and self said yes, and I said, how would you
Speaker 5: handle Tyler Guyton? Here's how I handled guy because obviously
Speaker 5: he's a rookie and he needs the reps, especially after
Speaker 5: missing several practices with the illness. But at the same time,
Speaker 5: now he's unequivocally it's not even a conversation anymore. He's unequivocally.
Speaker 5: You're starting left tackle, which makes him extremely valuable. So
Speaker 5: you got to put him in bubble rep at some point.
Speaker 5: This second joint practice is really going to help him
Speaker 5: as far as the GPS numbers go. You take those
Speaker 5: numbers that you get from Tyler Gout and these these
Speaker 5: reps today in the joint practice, I say, you give
Speaker 5: him two quarters two and a half max against the
Speaker 5: Raiders and that's it. You won't you shouldn't see him
Speaker 5: again until Cleveland. It's how I would handle Tyler guy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, first of all, how did we have
Speaker 6: on mazi cement last week? I mean, Mazi is you know,
Speaker 6: he got a lot of reps, you know, and you
Speaker 6: you need to.
Speaker 2: See that from it.
Speaker 5: I think Mazzi plays against the charges. Yeah, I think
Speaker 5: even if it's just one series, so I think he does.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 6: Well, let's we'll cross that bridge to come to But
Speaker 6: as far as as Tyler is concerned, I.
Speaker 2: Think, yeah, you you you do. You do play him,
Speaker 2: You play him at least two quarters, and you need
Speaker 2: to see him.
Speaker 6: He needs the reps and he can get the reps
Speaker 6: certainly in practice, but he needs the reps in the game,
Speaker 6: you know, just like Cooper Beb.
Speaker 2: You know you're gonna you're gonna.
Speaker 6: See a lot from those guys going forward, and they
Speaker 6: need the reps, they need the experience. And certainly, you know,
Speaker 6: you don't want to risk injury, obviously you you talked
Speaker 6: about the bubble wrap.
Speaker 2: And sensitivity to that.
Speaker 6: But he needs to play and that that's more the
Speaker 6: risk reward is worth it for him because of the
Speaker 6: upside because when Cleveland comes, you know, I was talking
Speaker 6: to his dad walk At the end of the day,
Speaker 6: we already talked about what they're gonna face when Cleveland comes.
Speaker 4: You know that's different.
Speaker 3: Piggyback off of that question, Cooper b byes also taking
Speaker 3: first team reps. Exciting do we how much more do
Speaker 3: you want to see him? In the preseason you talked
Speaker 3: about Tyler got maybe getting two more quarters. What about
Speaker 3: Cooper be?
Speaker 5: You know the difference between Tyler Gotton and Cooper BB
Speaker 5: is that even before the injury to Chilmaydogan. I mentioned
Speaker 5: this on one of the previous episodes. Is Tyler Gotton
Speaker 5: had a much cleaner path to LT one. I mean,
Speaker 5: for all intents and purposes, LT one was his The
Speaker 5: rest was just old school ball coach stuff.
Speaker 4: Earned the STARTCA, etc.
Speaker 5: Brock Kaffman has proved difficult to move if you're in
Speaker 5: the battle for center with Cooper BB. Cooper b B
Speaker 5: is now gaining a ton of ground. He's improved quite
Speaker 5: a bit with the snaps. His blocking was never truly
Speaker 5: a question. You know his strength, you know his footwork,
Speaker 5: you know what he can do. Go back and look
Speaker 5: at this Kansas State film. But then look at what
Speaker 5: he was able to do against the Rams as well.
Speaker 5: Cooper BB, and he played in two different positions. He
Speaker 5: took some reps at guard, he took some reps the center.
Speaker 5: Now he's earning some starting reps at center. I feel
Speaker 5: like this is a situation where Cooper BB needs to
Speaker 5: get as much preseason play in these remaining two games
Speaker 5: as possible. In that battle with Brockafflin, because I think
Speaker 5: that's still very much. It's it's almost hit to head now,
Speaker 5: whereas Tyler goutt and that's already soft. So now we're
Speaker 5: talking bubble wrap for the third Cooper BB.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no, no, not to have to
Speaker 6: go with this, if we if we even I'm leaving,
Speaker 6: even I'm leaving, okay.
Speaker 4: His head then receive said almost this over. It's almost
Speaker 4: they had a clothes head almost.
Speaker 6: You know, this was this was inevitable. I mean on
Speaker 6: drafted that I agree with this was inevitable. You know,
Speaker 6: I like that to sign the sounds of inevitability. You know,
Speaker 6: this is this was inevitable. This Tyler guy, Cooper BB.
Speaker 6: This was when the Cowboys talked about being better against
Speaker 6: the running the ball this year. These two guys had
Speaker 6: in mind, you know, and listen, they know what they
Speaker 6: happen bout Coff. Okay, it was and I talked on
Speaker 6: Monday Cooper B. The arrol was going up, everything is
Speaker 6: going up. And you saw in the game, you know,
Speaker 6: just his reps. His reps were just I mean, he
Speaker 6: was dirting people. He was just showing everything. But he's
Speaker 6: gonna continue to get better and get better again. The
Speaker 6: biggest strongest center the Cowboys have had since Andre Gerard.
Speaker 4: That's saying a lot, you know, and.
Speaker 6: Travis was great, but you know, he was the biggest
Speaker 6: strongest center the Cowboys. Then we're talking about getting better
Speaker 6: against the as the running team, Cooper BB helps them
Speaker 6: do that. And so you know, yeah, I think that
Speaker 6: this was you know, yes, it's a guy had to
Speaker 6: clean their pass because he was the number one.
Speaker 4: First round pick.
Speaker 6: That's why Mojie is sent to Concerverty because we drafted
Speaker 6: in the first round to play.
Speaker 2: Now, we drafted to start.
Speaker 6: Okay, I know the coaches got to, you know, put
Speaker 6: up this pretense about earning us that, but we drafted
Speaker 6: the first round. If you who we think you are,
Speaker 6: you're going to start. And that's that's how it was.
Speaker 6: Certainly the third round pick. There's a little more of
Speaker 6: a question because it felt because he was changing the position,
Speaker 6: which we talked about and him having to really adjust
Speaker 6: and change the position. But again he was drafting third
Speaker 6: round because they value him as a player. They know
Speaker 6: what he did in college. You know, the upside was there.
Speaker 6: And again Haubin, love his attitude, love his work after
Speaker 6: we had no pedigree, right, you know, what he's doing
Speaker 6: is is already a bonus. Yeah, what he's been is
Speaker 6: already a bonus to how he came into the league.
Speaker 6: And so, yes, you want him to be that guy.
Speaker 6: He's you know, he's certainly you know, you have a
Speaker 6: quality back of it. Something happens, but you want him
Speaker 6: to push. You don't want to give it to him.
Speaker 6: But again this was inevitable.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Hoffmann is an absolute dog, and you got it.
Speaker 5: You can't take that away from an absolute dog. But
Speaker 5: the ceiling on Cooper b B is just simply higher
Speaker 5: in my opinion, And I think it's kind of like
Speaker 5: the quote from Thanos, right, you know, Dreaded, run from it,
Speaker 5: Destiny Robs all the same. And I think we can
Speaker 5: all agree and we were all on the same page
Speaker 5: going into the training this year's training camp and that eventually,
Speaker 5: likely sooner than later, Cooper b B would take the
Speaker 5: throw of starting center.
Speaker 4: We've just been impressed.
Speaker 5: At how long it's taking, or I should say how
Speaker 5: long bark Hoffman is able to kind of stave him
Speaker 5: off in this battle easy.
Speaker 2: I actually impressed it. They just ripped the band that
Speaker 2: first persons game.
Speaker 6: I mean because they because they didn't do it imediah
Speaker 6: and they talked, you know, and I'll talked about it,
Speaker 6: but now, okay, fine, let's just get it.
Speaker 4: Just get it.
Speaker 5: I like that they just needed Cooper Weaver to get
Speaker 5: the snaps down, and he said Cooper BB in speaking
Speaker 5: from practice yesterday, after the walkthrough, he was asked, uh,
Speaker 5: how how the snap coming along?
Speaker 4: Is he thinking about it still? And he said, no,
Speaker 4: it's second nature to me now.
Speaker 5: If they don't say anything to me after a snap,
Speaker 5: it means I did the snap well, but he's no
Speaker 5: longer thinking about it. And that was one of the
Speaker 5: biggest things I was concerned about, and I used to
Speaker 5: work concerned lightly, was that as long as Cooper BB
Speaker 5: is continuing to think about the snap, it's going to
Speaker 5: create a slower reaction time going from snap to block
Speaker 5: because he's wondering if that snap was right. I love
Speaker 5: the fact that he said it second nature now because
Speaker 5: now he can just snap and go and he was
Speaker 5: already doing that against the Rams.
Speaker 4: It only gets better for me.
Speaker 6: And I like what McCarthy said when I ask him
Speaker 6: on the walk off. He just talked about his contact balance.
Speaker 6: You know, his athleticism. You know, you don't think about
Speaker 6: big budd, but you just watch it. Look at some
Speaker 6: of the taping the game. Is his contact balance, athleticism,
Speaker 6: getting out, getting down field.
Speaker 2: It just he's a better athlete.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, up and down with velocity. Yeah, a wrecking ball.
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Speaker 3: Has the hype died down from the wide receiver group
Speaker 3: outside of the Jalens M Got a lot to got
Speaker 3: a lot to ponder here. We'll be right back after
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Speaker 3: they changed a readup on me.
Speaker 4: They did bring up, they took, they took pause.
Speaker 3: We've had a lot of linebacker play here at camp
Speaker 3: that has shown up. Actually it showed up in that
Speaker 3: preseason game. If you're looking at Willie Harvey, if you're
Speaker 3: looking at Julius Wood and Brock Mogenson, Rock Mogenson. So
Speaker 3: how are we feeling now about the linebacker room? And
Speaker 3: is this a one eighty compared to our linebacker room
Speaker 3: this time last year?
Speaker 5: Yes, it is a complete one eighty. And when you
Speaker 5: said juwis will you meant you were talking safety, you
Speaker 5: meant Jeef Johnson, Jason john Jason Johnson, Jason Johnson.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 5: So the thing about the linebacker room is number one,
Speaker 5: you have actual linebackers. Last year, you know, you had
Speaker 5: Leyton Vanderish and you had the Moon Clark, and then
Speaker 5: when Leyton Vanderrish went down injury, all you had was
Speaker 5: the Moon Clark. Right now, you have Eric Kendricks, Damone Clark,
Speaker 5: Damar Fionnover shown, Marrius Leo File, you have Brock Moguson,
Speaker 5: you have Willie Harvey Junior, you have Jason Johnson, you
Speaker 5: have Buddy Johnson. Yes, right, So you have guys that
Speaker 5: even below the top four, they're making plays on defense
Speaker 5: but also making an impact on special teams as well.
Speaker 4: Jason Johnson, he got Micah Parsons. You know he plays lineback.
Speaker 4: I didn't forget. I called the linebackers out.
Speaker 5: That's the linebacker, that certain package for Michael Parsons's defensive weapon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has his own designation. Stop trying to call
Speaker 4: him DEE or LB. It's W.
Speaker 2: It's W.
Speaker 4: And as a matter of fact, the boy you play
Speaker 4: him in the versatile way, the bigger the W. Stick
Speaker 4: with me on this, folks, stick with me on this.
Speaker 5: But Jason Johnson, for example, he trans he was the
Speaker 5: first interception out here in Oxnark. Yes, right, he gets
Speaker 5: an interception in the first game. He's doing the right thing.
Speaker 5: Buddy Johnson flashed on special teams. Brock Moguson got the
Speaker 5: twenty six yard interception return. Cowboys offense unfortunately weren't able
Speaker 5: to capitalize on that or any of the other interceptions.
Speaker 5: But this linebacker corps is flying around demo. First series
Speaker 5: of the game. He's involved. He's right there. Stuff in
Speaker 5: the run. He's flying all over the field. So yes,
Speaker 5: it absolutely has done a one to eighty. And you
Speaker 5: asked the question about the wide receivers. Has that kind
Speaker 5: of dropped off? And my answer was no, because it's
Speaker 5: too soon to tell this. This linebacker corps is up
Speaker 5: up in a way. So if they continue this trajectory,
Speaker 5: then Mike Zimmers want to get exactly what he wants,
Speaker 5: which is in demands, which is exceptional linebacker playing his
Speaker 5: defensive scheme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again Overshawn. Of course, you know it's eighteen.
Speaker 4: The band bandit.
Speaker 2: You know, we got, we got it, we got.
Speaker 6: You got marriage and you know guys that that are
Speaker 6: showing up, and you know, certainly you're talking about someone
Speaker 6: undrafted guys.
Speaker 2: And Harvey came from uf L and and those guys.
Speaker 4: But I love Harvey.
Speaker 3: You know, I made an interesting comparison to to Harvey
Speaker 3: the other day. Does he kind of remind you guys
Speaker 3: a little bit of Bruce Carter.
Speaker 4: That's not a bad hump.
Speaker 3: The way he's able to get from sideline side three run.
Speaker 5: Now, I guess I got he's got keep talking, he's
Speaker 5: got some speed to him. This is when the science starts. Okay,
Speaker 5: four six, Okay, let's just close that time. I was
Speaker 5: up around the help out about now.
Speaker 2: He run it down because was the second round pick
Speaker 2: for a reason.
Speaker 4: And as far as coverage goes with Harve though he's talking.
Speaker 2: Did you see it? I mean when you see Bruce card,
Speaker 2: I mean he did. He played long enough to see something.
Speaker 5: Me. Absolutely, we're not going to disrespect the five four
Speaker 5: like that. Bruce was doing some things, man did He
Speaker 5: did some things when he played. Let's put it that way.
Speaker 5: He did some things when he played. He did some
Speaker 5: things when he played. Man, he was at least in
Speaker 5: the conversation for an extension.
Speaker 4: I'll never forget that he was. But but that's not.
Speaker 6: Your initial question about the linebacker court being a one
Speaker 6: eighty much.
Speaker 2: Improved or last year, of course, but that was my design.
Speaker 2: They didn't have linebackers last year.
Speaker 6: When they lost linebackers, they moved to safety linebacker, you know,
Speaker 6: because they're doing a big nickel and they didn't value
Speaker 6: linebackers last year.
Speaker 2: So they couldn't help but be better. Couldn't help but
Speaker 2: be better, right, because that's.
Speaker 6: Deep though this deep, they're deep because they against got
Speaker 6: linebackers on the roster.
Speaker 2: The on the roster last year so they got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's how many true linebackers did we have
Speaker 3: on this But you know what last.
Speaker 4: Year, yeah we had two.
Speaker 2: I mean they got real linebackers. So that's part of
Speaker 2: the design.
Speaker 6: But you know, one thing that Zimber talked about yesterday
Speaker 6: we talked to he said, you know, and we talked
Speaker 6: about the bigger guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you want bigger guys and all this stuff.
Speaker 6: But he said, even as Parcels found out when he
Speaker 6: came and want bigger linebackers, the game has changed. They
Speaker 6: got to be able to run. You know, they got
Speaker 6: to be able to run because they got to cover
Speaker 6: to get spread out, and so so everybody's on where
Speaker 6: you're gonna you know, he said, there will be a
Speaker 6: lot of times when you just have two linebackers on
Speaker 6: the field, or even like last year because of the game,
Speaker 6: you know and certain but when you when it's time
Speaker 6: to run, you need to be able to have your
Speaker 6: big guys out there.
Speaker 2: But there will be a lot of time when we
Speaker 2: have two linebackers on the field. He said that yesterday.
Speaker 2: So you know, uh, they still got to be able
Speaker 2: to run.
Speaker 6: They still got be able to come and go do
Speaker 6: some things, But yaes it's by design to this line
Speaker 6: bank or as much approval looks much better as one
Speaker 6: ap of last year because they'd had a lineber last year.
Speaker 5: But also to that point as well is the fact
Speaker 5: that Mike Zimmer clearly is not willing to wait to
Speaker 5: need something in order to try to tweak something. And
Speaker 5: here's what I mean by that Byron Vaughns is gone,
Speaker 5: Nick Vigil, Darius Harris there here.
Speaker 4: He's not waiting to see if there's a depth issue.
Speaker 5: He's identifying things in real time, and he'll bring you in,
Speaker 5: Mike Zimmer will and you probably have three or four
Speaker 5: opportunity to prove yourself and he might swap you out.
Speaker 5: But I say that to say real quick before it
Speaker 5: toss it back to you because in the names that
Speaker 5: we were mentioning who made an impact at the linebacker position,
Speaker 5: not only in camp but also in the preseason opener,
Speaker 5: Nick Vigil, he kept jumping off the film to.
Speaker 4: Me on special teams.
Speaker 5: There's a little bit of work there to be done
Speaker 5: in the defensive scheme because he just got here. But
Speaker 5: Nick Vigil, he's already showing some value for Mike Zimmer
Speaker 5: and for bones fossil.
Speaker 4: So keep an eye on a guy like Nick Vigil.
Speaker 5: His IQ was praised highly by Mike Zimmer coming in
Speaker 5: and when they when they brought him in a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks ago. If that and he's he's taken to
Speaker 5: it real fast and existing relationship, right.
Speaker 6: And that's what I'm saying and trying to get to
Speaker 6: that is that when you when you talk about winning, now,
Speaker 6: that's what this is about. I mean, yeah, they got
Speaker 6: they they went and got veterans, they went and got
Speaker 6: some guys you know, the INICI virtuals he has experienced
Speaker 6: with him because of the things, because he.
Speaker 2: Knows the defense, you know. You know, he's trying to
Speaker 2: bring in guys that that can help them win.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: As Jerry said, we're trying to win all in.
Speaker 6: This is part of their versions, their version of all
Speaker 6: in you know, in training camp, because they're they're bringing
Speaker 6: in guys, bringing in veterans, are not waiting as you say.
Speaker 2: The fighting.
Speaker 6: They're bringing in veterans who have experienced who can help them.
Speaker 6: They're trying to get help now absolutely, you know. And
Speaker 6: then you know obviously it's not Matthew Judaan, which I
Speaker 6: hope they go and trade for if they could do
Speaker 6: this something like that, that would be great.
Speaker 4: But I would love it.
Speaker 6: But but but but but they but going in and
Speaker 6: getting veterans who they know, can is driven the car
Speaker 6: before in the game, can help them out on special teams,
Speaker 6: can help them win. Now to go along with the younger,
Speaker 6: they guy young, because you got young guys in Overshewn,
Speaker 6: you got young guys in marriage, You got some young
Speaker 6: guys you know, and so you need some of these
Speaker 6: other veterans.
Speaker 5: Everyone not named Damian Wilson or Eric Kendricks has a
Speaker 5: lot of youth on them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, boys, before we leave, I have one
Speaker 3: more question. What do you want to see from Trey
Speaker 3: Lance in Game two?
Speaker 5: Touch and decisiveness. I want to see him process more quickly.
Speaker 5: I want to see him trust himself to make the
Speaker 5: throws and to throw guys open as opposed to waiting
Speaker 5: for them to become open. Because by the time you
Speaker 5: wait for them to become open in the NFL, it's
Speaker 5: too late.
Speaker 4: It's too late.
Speaker 5: You got to pull the trigger as the moment you
Speaker 5: see that, take that risk, and yeah, sometimes it might
Speaker 5: turn into a PBu, it might even turn into an interception.
Speaker 5: But if you don't take those risks, it might never
Speaker 5: turn into a touchdown or a chunk play or anything
Speaker 5: like that. I want to see decisive. I want to
Speaker 5: see touch on the passes. Too many of his passes
Speaker 5: are sailing. I need to see those dropping more in
Speaker 5: the bucket more often. But he made some good throws,
Speaker 5: so the signs are there. Just got to keep hammering away.
Speaker 3: And trusting your reads as well.
Speaker 4: Trust that's a big part of that.
Speaker 6: And I'm not going to add to that because that's fine,
Speaker 6: that's what you need to do. But he also needs
Speaker 6: to do get the damn ball in the end zone.
Speaker 3: You need to see a touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 2: You're finish it in his zone. On top of that,
Speaker 2: he does all that.
Speaker 6: You gotta finish those those drives in his own because
Speaker 6: you gotta score a touchdown perfectly.
Speaker 4: In the air because we know he can run.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, no, yeah, but yeah, but first of all,
Speaker 6: this game will get the team in the zone if
Speaker 6: you if you run one end and fifty, that take it.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, you want take it, you take it.
Speaker 5: But there's a reason fourth and goal from the three
Speaker 5: that they're throwing their balls trying to evaluate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, There's no question about it.
Speaker 6: So you yeah, so throw the battle on time, get
Speaker 6: the battle in the zone, uh score, that's what you
Speaker 6: need from and just and continue to have some experience
Speaker 6: and do some of those teams. But it's it's all
Speaker 6: about trade. We again, we know what you got in Cooper.
Speaker 6: You know what you got in that they need to
Speaker 6: find out would have gotten the trade not just for
Speaker 6: this year? Is he worth investing in the next year
Speaker 6: as a backup court?
Speaker 5: And the more the better we get from Trey over
Speaker 5: the next two preseason games, the better we can evaluate
Speaker 5: the wide receivers behind the Jalens right, and then we
Speaker 5: can revisit that and actually have some some good data
Speaker 5: on what they're trending towards.
Speaker 3: And that's why I was asking. I think it was
Speaker 3: last week about you know, his relationship with like who
Speaker 3: has the best relationship with receiver wise? Based on the game,
Speaker 3: it certainly looked like it. But I like the clarification there.
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