WEBVTT - Wisdom & Chardonnay.  Marshall Phillips Talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>Show. So I just popped into my head to day

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<v Speaker 1>as I was listening to various conversations over the last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, comparing these current times to which I

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<v Speaker 1>used to look at, read about history books, watch documentaries

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<v Speaker 1>about and think, man, that must have been something to

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<v Speaker 1>live through. Ugly constant protests, violence, police versus the people

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<v Speaker 1>in the street. You're either on their side. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>there's no staying out of it. You're either on that

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<v Speaker 1>side or that side. We're clearly there now. Well to discuss,

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<v Speaker 1>to compare it to contrast, and to just say hello, please,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the Armstrong any show. Are esteemed a newsman,

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<v Speaker 1>Marshall Phillips, Marshally, you were with us for a cup

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<v Speaker 1>of coffee? What was it fifteen years? It was about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years, Yeah, a little more than a cup of coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, guys, I have not left my house

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<v Speaker 1>since January one. I've had to deal with things like

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<v Speaker 1>raccoons in the chimney, and you know, the the neighbors

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<v Speaker 1>complaints about my growing pyramid of chardonnay bottles out in front,

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<v Speaker 1>that growing pyramid of chardonnay bottle. I was actually thinking

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<v Speaker 1>because I remember before you retired from this program, discussion

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<v Speaker 1>of how much you're gonna follow the news or whatnot,

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<v Speaker 1>and I could see checking out completely. So it just

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<v Speaker 1>occurred to me. We could get you on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>You could say that what now the protest about what

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<v Speaker 1>there's a there's a disease. You're not following news? No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends, I h a. I have been following the news,

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<v Speaker 1>probably even too much. In fact, you get to a point,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when you're talking talking about the pandemic and and

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<v Speaker 1>the action on the streets, and that well, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as the pandemic goes, I get a cough, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, I'm going, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the virus. You know. Then you just got

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<v Speaker 1>to calm yourself down. Then I looked at what has

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<v Speaker 1>been going on in the streets, and I got to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you, in a lot of ways, this is very

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<v Speaker 1>similar to what was happening in nineteen sixty eight, except

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<v Speaker 1>it's not being played out against the background of a pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>It is being fueled by a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 1>are just really chicked off with what they see as

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<v Speaker 1>the current state of affairs. Back in the sixties, it

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<v Speaker 1>was the Vietnam War, which a lot of people felt

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<v Speaker 1>was illegal, hadn't really been explained to them. They had

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<v Speaker 1>friends dying, and now you've got another another ground swell.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually, you know, spread worldwide, fueled in large part

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<v Speaker 1>by young people who have just gotten out in the

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<v Speaker 1>streets and said we've had enough. Well was it? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it the same way in it's the way it seems

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<v Speaker 1>from eating about it. But I wasn't old muff to

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<v Speaker 1>know what was going on. Where you're either on one

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<v Speaker 1>side or the other. It was very, very difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>be neutral. Yes, yeah, I mean you were. You really

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<v Speaker 1>were on one side or the other there. It was

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<v Speaker 1>hard to find a middle ground at that point and again,

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<v Speaker 1>and the anger was fueled by both sides. People who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted peace and would condemn the soldiers and people who

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<v Speaker 1>thought the war was righteous and would condemn the people

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted peace. There were it was real hard to

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<v Speaker 1>find a middle ground. Do you remember people being uh

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<v Speaker 1>dragged out into the public square and their careers being

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<v Speaker 1>executed for being on the wrong side of various arguments?

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<v Speaker 1>Back then? This, of course a lot of its social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe without social media you couldn't do that, do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember anything about that. No, not so much. No, not

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<v Speaker 1>so much. I mean, and again, as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>social media has made a huge difference. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>can be told you can say the wrong thing or

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<v Speaker 1>try to say the right thing in an awkward way

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<v Speaker 1>and be crucified for it. That that that was that

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<v Speaker 1>did not exist back then. Although although fiery tempers did

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<v Speaker 1>produce fiery results both in and today. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably worth pointing out the average sandwich shop owner or

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, NBA announcer or whatever, they had no

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<v Speaker 1>way to communicate their opinion to the masses, and so

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<v Speaker 1>you'd never hear about it anyone. You didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>Frank and Gifford thought about the Vietnam War necessarily right, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and yeah exactly, and again, uh, even if

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<v Speaker 1>people would say certain inflammatory things, a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>reporters wouldn't report it. They would just say, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>well that's just background, and they wouldn't actually put it

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<v Speaker 1>in print. That and again it's when I started to

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<v Speaker 1>work in radio. Oh god, no, so many years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>You would call the president Mr President or Mr Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>you would or Mr Nixon. You would never just say

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon or it was always much more formal. And again,

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<v Speaker 1>how about you lying communist, morbidly obese Nazi. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as time went on that began to appear in the

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<v Speaker 1>free press and other alternate media. Yes, yeah, what so what?

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<v Speaker 1>But so in between sixty eight and recent times, we

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<v Speaker 1>obviously came back together, you know, in a in a

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<v Speaker 1>in a in a period of time where we we

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<v Speaker 1>were now thinking, oh, those were the golden days. How

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<v Speaker 1>do we get those back? What? What ended the division?

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<v Speaker 1>Just the war ending or or did it run its course?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do you have any idea you're talking about the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the Vietnam War? Well, what what brought us

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<v Speaker 1>back together from the sixties to a more a calmer

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<v Speaker 1>period through the seventies, eighties, nineties. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of it was the fact that the war ended,

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<v Speaker 1>the draft ended, and people started talking to each other more.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you had if you knew somebody that came

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<v Speaker 1>back from the war, you saw they were in paid,

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<v Speaker 1>so you you know, you might you might be more

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<v Speaker 1>willing to talk to one another as opposed to just

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<v Speaker 1>getting on social media and trying to dog somebody. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the race that go ahead and Marshall. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I was just gonna say I noticed that happening through

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<v Speaker 1>the years, especially as we got to the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the seventies into the eighties. There was a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>of all right, I appreciate what you thought you had

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<v Speaker 1>to do, and I appreciate what you thought you had

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<v Speaker 1>to do, so you had more of that back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also significant that the Nixon administration, in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of the race riots of late sixties, launched enormous social programs,

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<v Speaker 1>huge spending by the Republican administration then, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people thought, Okay, that'll help, that'll be good, and so, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we won't burn the cities anymore. Um, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of it actually didn't help. It hurt, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, and then Watergate came and went, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the war ended. So yeah, just was on TV and

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<v Speaker 1>everything was you know, we we intended when you retired

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<v Speaker 1>to check in with you now and then on retirement.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately you retired right at the moment of a global

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic and a and a great depression, so rough timing

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<v Speaker 1>for your retirement, I realized, And you know, I will

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<v Speaker 1>be very honest with you. Part of me is sad,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not happy that I retired at this period

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<v Speaker 1>of time. But part of me is also saying, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, now it's a good time to step back,

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<v Speaker 1>at least for now. You know, retirement doesn't mean forever,

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<v Speaker 1>but at least for now. And it's given me, in

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<v Speaker 1>all honesty, a really good chance to observe other people

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with things in their real life against this whole background,

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<v Speaker 1>against this panopally or what's going on. Hey Marshall, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry we have to jump in even as you're making

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful point. We got about twenty seconds left, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well, I we'll tell you this. I am

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<v Speaker 1>living in an undisclosed location five months. It took five months,

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<v Speaker 1>but my house, my other house, is up for sale. Excellent, excellent,

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<v Speaker 1>And I assume you're continuing the stockpile gold and weaponry. Everybody. Marshall,

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<v Speaker 1>Phillips are esteam News. Went always great to talk. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for your Marshall, Armstrong and Getty