WEBVTT - Holes with Korama Danquah 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:03.920 On the Bechdel Cast. The questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.520 women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.400 husbands or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn Beast. 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.000 Start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:19.360 Hello Bechdel Cast listeners. 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:20.360 Hello Jamie and Caitlyn. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.320 Here a little plug at the top. 0:00:22.440 --> 0:00:25.919 It's all coming together, It's all happening. I am going 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:30.120 to be going on a book tour for the paperback 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.160 release of my book Raw Dog, The Naked Truth about 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:33.879 Hot Dogs. 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:34.879 Ever heard of it? 0:00:35.680 --> 0:00:39.839 It is coming out in soft cover this may. If 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:42.239 you're hearing this, it is out right now. If you 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:44.120 are the kind of person that doesn't want to spend 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:46.559 twenty eight dollars out of book, fair enough, we have 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.920 a more affordable option. And if you haven't purchased the 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:53.080 book and you know, maybe you're able to now, you know, 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.760 it's also a great gift. I've sound so desperate. The 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.640 thing is, it's a soft cover book, and people love those, and. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:01.400 I love a flaccid book. 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:05.400 Yeah, it's a floppy little book. And if you do 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.880 have the hardcover and you're a completionist, there is also 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.360 a brand new ForWord that I wrote, and also the 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:18.320 acknowledgments have been adjusted to acknowledge that my agents were Zionists, 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.280 so I don't really thank them anymore. So there's a 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:24.319 thrilling edition there as well. But there is new stuff 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.160 in the book and it costs less, and we love that. 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:32.280 I will be going on tour throughout the country to 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.319 promote the new book, and if you're a Bechdel head 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:37.720 and you're in the area, this is a really great 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.920 chance to come and hang out. It's all I'm at bookstores. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.479 I did kind of bigger shows the first time around, 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.360 but this time we're just chilling. So you kitling with 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:50.440 your permission. I'm just going to rattle off some dates. 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:55.640 What if I was like, no, no, click, I'm going 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.000 to go pee. 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.960 No please, by all means tell us okay. 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:05.800 May thirteenth, twenty twenty five, almost my birthday. So I 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.600 know I'm missing your birthday. It's an act of violence. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.519 I will be at North Fig Bookshop in Los Angeles, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.399 hosted by friend of the cast Julia Clair May fourteenth. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.680 I will be at Carmichael's Bookstore in Louisville, Kentucky. On 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.240 May fifteenth. I will be at the Cambridge Public Library 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.680 in Massachusetts with the Harvard Bookstore, and I will be 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.280 in conversation with one of my dear friends, PBS's own 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:37.240 Tory Bedford. On the nineteenth of May, I will be 0:02:37.360 --> 0:02:41.440 in Portland, Maine at Longfellow Books, hosted by friend of 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.280 the cast Mayo Williams. I am very very excited. On 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:49.560 the twentieth, I will be going down to Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.760 my home state. Know they're going to be begging, They're like, 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.240 where are they? I will be at the Midtown Scholar 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.800 Bookstore and Cafe in conversation with Joe Piazza. Then on 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:05.279 May twenty first, I will be at the Fountain Bookstore 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:10.040 in Richmond, Virginia. And on May twenty second, I will 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:16.399 be at Coppersfield Books in Pedaluma, California. And finally, on 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.919 May thirty first, I will be at Marin Country Mart, 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:24.880 which is also with Coppersfield's book in Larkspur, California. So 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:27.600 if you live in those areas, please come out. I 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.760 would love to see you. I'd love to chat. Please 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:33.760 recommend your favorite hot dog. Let's talk Beck tol cast, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:38.160 Let's do whatever. And there will be dates announced later 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.760 in the summer. So if you would like a show 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.560 or a signing to happen in your town, please reach 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.720 out and I will send it to my publisher and 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:53.600 be like, see, I should go there. Anyways, that's a 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:59.280 great it's begging works sometimes and we'll link this full 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.560 thing and that isscription. But see you soon. I'm making 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.480 a little outfit and that's the Jamie Loftus promise. 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:09.480 I can't wait to see. 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.920 So if you click the link in the description, it 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:14.760 will take you to the full page where you can 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.640 register to go to these events. They are all free events, 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:21.960 so come and hang out and provided that I get 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.040 my shit together in time, there will also be speakers 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.200 from local unions at all of these signings, So come out, 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.520 make some friends, come hang out, and uh, let's eat 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:31.240 some hot dogs. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.760 Beautiful. We'll throw the link to be able to access 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.760 registration for the events on our link tree as well 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.960 link tree slash Bechdel Cast, so there's no excuse not 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:43.800 to come. 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.240 It's free, it's fun. I'll be wearing a little outfit. 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:52.640 Come buy the book, yay, enjoy the episode the Bechdel Cast. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:57.440 Dig It All on, dig It dig It Out, dig. 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:02.520 It I Wow, I rewatched music video and it seared 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:03.560 into my brain. 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:05.520 Oh wait, I didn't know about the music video. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.839 Oh, Caitlin show, you didn't know about ship? 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:12.080 Pause the show it just started. 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.080 But it's so good. 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:18.200 They're having such a nice time. The boys are having fun. 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:19.719 Okay, I believe it. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.839 That's the most important thing about the music video. And 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.280 also the song is great and oh my gosh, two 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.400 thousand and three, what a time School of rock an 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:34.440 holes be serious? Wait, sorry, I you singing that song 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:35.920 just really put me in a great mood. And I 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.000 forgot what I was gonna say. Oh well, oh, I 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:41.440 was gonna say, we need to bring back movies where 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:45.119 there's a song during the credits that summarizes the movie 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.200 you just watched. Yes, you need that. We need to 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.200 bring it back. Maybe it is back in kids' movies. 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:54.279 And I'm just no longer a child. I hope it 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.360 never stopped. I find it difficult to believe that there 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.440 is a credit. This is like a Will Smith grade 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:03.040 credits song. 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:06.400 True Wild Wild West, Men in Black. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.760 Yeah, the list goes on. I think I'm not actually sure. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.000 Might be just those two. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:17.880 It might, but they're impactful, impactful, welcome, to the Bechdel Cast, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.880 Do I think one of the one of our our 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.880 longest holdouts for a beloved movie. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.080 Hold out whole out, whole. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:27.919 Again? 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.280 We have our holes out on this episode. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.200 During this children Yes, we have our holes out during 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:42.000 the Children's Prison Industrial Complex movie episode. My name's Jamie. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.920 Locked is my holes not in a way? It's away? 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:47.560 So are mine talking about that? 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:47.760 No? 0:06:47.880 --> 0:06:51.440 The hole in my damn face I is going to 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:52.520 be flapping. 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.640 Yeah, And it's like that line from Titanic when the. 0:06:55.960 --> 0:07:01.080 Wave you out shut that out? Yeah? All right, well 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:04.839 things have already is already erupting. What's your name? 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.479 My name is Caitlyn Durnteme awesome. And this is the 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.800 Bechdel Cast, a podcast where we examine movies through an 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.520 intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test simply as a 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:21.200 jumping off point. But Jamie, what is it though? 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:26.160 Well, I'll tell you. The Bechtel Test is a media 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.240 metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, often called the 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:33.760 Bechdel Wallace Test. Created as a test in response to 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.360 the fact that queer women were never in movies at all, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:43.560 it has since been sort of more generalized into what 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.760 we use. Our version of the test requires that two 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.400 characters of a marginalized gender with names talk to each 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.640 other about something other than a man for two lines 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.960 of dialogue. This is an interesting case. This is an 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.680 interesting case. We're spiritually this know this movie passes the 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:02.800 Bechtel test to. 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.120 Me, sure, but it is. But there is. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.120 I think there's two women and one is dead. They 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.880 don't exist on the same timelines. So it's a challenge. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.720 It's a challenge. Patricia Arquette and Sigourney Weaver are separated 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:21.120 by generations, true and political differences. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.120 Yes, all of the above. Yeah, well, we'll talk about 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.840 that further, but we'll also talk about so many other 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.560 things because this is a rich text. 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:32.400 Yes, because it is a perfect movie. 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:37.800 It's so good. And joining us for this discussion is 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:42.079 writer actor. She's in an upcoming horror comedy movie called 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.080 Bad Karaoke. You know her from our past episodes on 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:52.360 Us Get Out and Cheetah Girls. It's Carama Donquay. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.200 Welcome, Thank you for having me again. I would like 0:08:57.240 --> 0:09:00.520 to just issue a correction right off the bat. Five 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:01.800 women in this movie. 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:06.800 That's true because there there's a lawyer Stanley's mother. Yes, 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:07.680 what else we got? 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:12.120 There's there's the former student of kissing Kate Barlowe, whose 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:18.440 name is said. And I think it passes because they 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.280 talk about how she used to be a student. 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.920 Right, yeah, okay, we're going to talk about the treasure. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:29.400 So legally it passes, not just to you, Jamie, not 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:30.320 just spiritually. 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.600 Okay, that is that is a relief. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:34.840 But it was it was tight. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.480 It was very close, and they made us wait to 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:38.720 the very end. Then. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.280 But I think maybe the lawyer and the warden also talk. 0:09:43.880 --> 0:09:45.120 I think they're talking about Stanley. 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.000 Yeah, they're talking about the boys at all times. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.440 We're talking about the crime as a. 0:09:50.520 --> 0:09:52.920 Boy of man is a. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:57.240 Man, no women and children. This is getting complicated. Thank 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.600 you Karma for solving the podcast right at the top. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:01.520 And now we you just talk about the movie itself 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:05.679 because this is a rich text. Thank you for coming 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:08.240 onto the Wholes episode. Can you tell us about your 0:10:08.320 --> 0:10:13.640 history with this movie, the book, the Holes Expanded universe. 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.080 I'm gonna start with something that sounds like it's not related. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.680 I promise it is related. So recently, I was at 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:21.199 a family friend's house and one of her neighbors came 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.440 over and she was like, why do I know you? 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:27.679 And my friend Jackie was like, oh, well, Karama used 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.000 to come over all the time when we were little, 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.800 and she didn't have cable at her house, so she 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:36.080 would come over here. And so I had like a 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.160 cable friend, as many kids who didn't have cable had. 0:10:39.600 --> 0:10:42.760 And I watched this at my cable friend's house when 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.439 I was growing up, and I would see the Diggot 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:48.800 music video on Disney Channel all the time. I still 0:10:48.880 --> 0:10:50.640 knew all the words. I don't know if I can 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:52.200 say them on the podcast. I don't want to get 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.400 you guys in trouble for singing too much of it. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.960 But when he started spelling like a MP at the TI, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.880 I was like, yes, yes, this is rap music, this 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.000 is real rap music. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:06.680 Migos step aside. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.880 Yes, it's all happening on Radio Disney. They even had 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:15.360 a band named De Tent Boys. Yes, yeah, this was 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:18.400 a single they were. I mean, this was run Ragged 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.080 on Radio Disney in the early two thousands, and I 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:22.280 was a. 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.480 Radio Disney kid when I moved to Ghana. When I 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:28.000 was little, my dad would send me cassette tapes of 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.480 like just hours of Radio Disney because I missed it 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:31.000 so much. 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.640 It's really sweet, I know, but also like scary that 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:36.680 the mouse had that much of a hold on me. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:41.200 Yeah, the mouse will find you wherever we go. But 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.319 this is a rare I'm excited to talk about the 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.720 production of this movie because this seems like a very 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.600 rare Disney movie where it seems like they were relatively 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.360 hands off with this, and the director said it was 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:56.400 basically like creating an independent movie with Disney money, which 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.640 is cool. I'm excited to get into it because I 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.920 was surprised at because I reread. I got mostly through 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.160 the book to reread it before, and it's they've changed 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:11.160 so little because for once, they let the author write 0:12:11.200 --> 0:12:11.920 the screenplay. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:12.640 They never do that. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:15.760 And also the main thing that they change. 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:19.599 I actually am for it because the main thing that 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:22.080 they changed for people who either haven't read the book 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.960 or don't remember the book is that Stanley is a 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.960 pretty chubby kid in the book, and. 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:30.600 Through digging he actually loses a lot of weight. 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:32.800 But they didn't want to put Shila buff in a 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:35.480 fat suit, and they didn't want to subject a child 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:40.640 to a major like Christian Bale weight shift. So I 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:43.520 think that that is actually, like, I'm all for a 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.120 fat representation in film. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:46.839 I love that representation in film. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.000 I think that this was the better choice in this 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.880 instance because I don't like fat suits. I think that 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:55.880 they're dehumanizing, and I don't like torturing children. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.560 So they still tortured the children a little bit, but 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.440 mostly with heat. Yes, But but yeah, no, I totally agree. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:06.559 I forgot that that was sort of the most major change, 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:10.240 and I don't Yeah, it's I felt like rereading the 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:13.880 book that it was, you know, I don't think meant 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:18.280 to be a cruel outcome, but it's sort of lent 0:13:18.400 --> 0:13:22.599 this morality to Stanley's weight loss and and sort of 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.840 presented it as a well, at least he's not chubby anymore, 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.560 in a way that I felt like was not good 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:32.120 representation if they had adapted it in that way. On 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:34.880 top of what you're saying, the thing that was changed 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.640 that I wish it stayed was there was more context 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:42.319 for stan Lee's arrest. I get why they have to 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.240 keep it focused on zero, but he was like really 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:49.480 severely bullied in school, and they show like how his 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:54.320 bullying very much factored into his arrest, and like fear 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:59.199 of standing up for himself stuff. But other than that, 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.800 it's basically all they're They're dropping damns, they're cussing. 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:03.480 Uh. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:07.440 The adults are a series of unfortunate events, level evil 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.760 like it's great. So okay, so you so you you 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:14.520 watched it at cable friend's house. 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:17.160 Yes, that was a frequent rewatch because they would run 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:20.920 it on Disney Channel a lot. And I was a 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.080 big fan of Lewis Accer, the author. I was a 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:27.720 Wayside Stories girl from Wayside School. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:28.680 Loved it. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:33.000 Good Wayside School gets a Little Stranger my favorite of them. 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:34.960 Oh okay, yeah, I gotta reread. 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.040 But I was a big fan of like that sort 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:42.120 of universe of like wacky but real. And I remember 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.160 distinctly Lewis Sacer had like three kids in the Wayside 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.720 School that had the same name, and I don't remember 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.960 their name, but he would describe one of them as 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:51.920 being tall and fat, and it's the first time it 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.960 occurred to me that somebody could be tall and fat. 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.400 But it was always like a very neutral descriptor. It 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:58.160 was just like, these are the way the kids look, 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:01.560 And I was like, whoa people can look all kinds 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:06.520 of ways that's wacky. So opened my mind up a 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.920 lot and a lot of love for this movie. I 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.880 have a lot of love for adaptations, specifically. I know 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.640 that you guys probably remember, but our listeners maybe don't that. 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.720 I used to be a co host of a podcast 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:21.320 called Popcorn Book Club where we talked about page to 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:25.120 screen adaptations, and I would constantly talk about Holes on 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.800 that podcast. We never covered it, but I was like, guys, 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.840 Holes is the perfect adaptation film. It is so true 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.320 to the original text, and when it is not true 0:15:33.360 --> 0:15:34.400 to the text, that is. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.920 True to the spirit of it. It is amazing. 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:38.720 And one of our co hosts had never seen it, 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.200 and I was just like, I don't know how you're 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:44.400 breathing air on this planet being an adult woman of 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.520 a certain age who has never seen Holes. 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.320 It is like a It is weird. It does feel 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:53.520 like it's such a beloved millennial classic, but I wonder 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.920 I don't know if kids are still finding it. I 0:15:55.960 --> 0:16:00.080 hope they are probably not. I mean the unfortunately, the 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.600 shil abuff of it all does make it a harder 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:07.200 sell because he's a fucking monster. I think he's like 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:14.840 fourteen when this was, you know, child stardom should be illegal. 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.920 But that's a conversation for another day. But okay, I 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.280 also was a huge fan of the book and the movie. 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.520 I forget when I think this was just like at 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:30.360 every school in the early two thousands, like every kid 0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:34.040 read these books read wayside school. There's a kind of 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.240 I had to look it up to be like, what 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.320 was that Lewis Sakar, he wrote, it's a B side, 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:44.120 Dogs Don't Tell Jokes. I remember reading Dogs Don't Tell 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.520 Jokes because it is about a child's stand up comic 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.800 who pees his pants, and I was like, wow, aspirational 0:16:49.880 --> 0:16:54.720 me someday. And I guess that Dogs Don't Tell Jokes 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:57.800 had an impact on me because he's like, I had 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:01.440 to check the plot. Gary Boon, who calls himself Goon, 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:04.800 is the self proclaimed clown of his seventh grade class. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.359 He never stops joking despite the fact that nobody laughs 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.199 much and he has no real friends. So he joins 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.439 a talent contest as a stand up comedian, and he 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:17.160 roasts everybody, and he hurts a lot of feelings, and 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.639 then he learns that being a stand up comic parentheses 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:22.440 evil is not the way to. 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:24.520 Go well at least a roast comedian. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.840 It's true. Yes, he literally goes full roasting at the 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.520 store and then learns those people don't like that. 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:36.760 I think we need to wallpaper men's bathrooms in comedy 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.159 clugs with the pages. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.919 Of this book with dogs. Don't tell you don't be 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.520 like Gary. It did not help him make friends just 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:49.280 like you. So but yeah, big lewis a car fan. 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:52.640 I mean, like you're saying, krama, the wayside school books 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:56.240 were so silly and like fantastical, and the fact that 0:17:56.600 --> 0:17:59.959 he wrote holes as well, I mean, the range incredible. 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.359 I loved the book, loved the movie. Of course, Being 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.199 ten when this came out, I had a crush. I 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:11.399 had a crush on zero zero was my big time crush. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:17.240 Cleo Thomas. I had a picture of him in my room. Yeah, 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:19.679 loved the song. But then, I mean, it's a great 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.520 movie to come back to, not only because there are 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.640 more crushes for you as you age, like today Hill, 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:29.520 who I know we're going to be talking about quite 0:18:29.560 --> 0:18:35.399 a bit. He can fix that. But but just like 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:37.760 what a beautiful like you're saying, like, what a beautiful 0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:41.400 adaptation it is. How it weaves together like five storylines 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.000 in this really effortless way, and that it is an 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:51.320 anti carceral children's book that is four kids but adapted 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.680 in a way that doesn't talk down to them. And yeah, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.359 it's an amazing movie. I'm so excited to talk about it. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:01.119 It's a real testament to the fact that people are like, oh, 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.360 kids can't understand that. Kids can't understand that, and no, 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.960 you just can't explain it, right, You're just not good 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.080 and explain there is a way for kids to understand 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:15.720 literally everything, Like, sorry, there are kids who are soldiers 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:18.320 in war in some parts of the world, Like they 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.360 can understand things. The way to explain it to them 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:24.240 is the issue. And I think that this is a 0:19:24.280 --> 0:19:28.800 really good way to explain the school to prison pipeline, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.760 issues with incarceration and just institutional racism. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.280 Just all of this stuff is very. 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:40.960 Clearly outlined in a way that is developmentally appropriate. 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:41.560 Totally. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.119 Yeah, and like puts a face in a name to 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.440 these issues. And I think the like maybe the only 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.920 unhoused character that I saw in movies as a kid 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.320 that is not played as a joke or as a 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.800 personal failing or you know how often we see on 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.119 like it's just it's so good, it's doing so much, 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.680 and then it has the audacity to be a really 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.920 good movie, I know. And what a cast. Anyways, Kaitlyn 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:10.600 wants her history with Holes. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:15.359 Okay, I read the book in the late nineties, because 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.439 it was published in ninety eight. I probably read it 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:21.600 in ninety nine. I would have been a tween at 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:25.120 the time, and I loved it. And then the movie 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.639 came out a few years later and I saw it 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.760 in theaters. I would have been I think a junior 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:35.520 senior in high school at that point, so I was 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:39.600 old enough that my big crush was Dula Hill and 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:40.920 still to this day. 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.640 You're Not Made of Stone, Yeah, but. 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:47.560 Yeah, I thought it was such an incredible story. And 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.760 then we got the movie on DVD and I watched 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:56.879 it with my sister on repeat, and I chose this 0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:01.119 movie for my not to be a bit but it 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:09.000 is my birthday episode. Oh yay, So this is like 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:12.320 my birthday pick. That's how much I love this movie. 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.240 I don't think it's without its flaws, but I think 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.880 the flaws are few and far between, especially considering it's 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.600 a movie from the early two thousands and that was 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:28.680 just a flawed time yeah, so, yeah, I deeply love 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:34.040 this movie and I'm so excited to talk about it. 0:21:34.480 --> 0:21:37.320 I will say embarrassingly, I was twelve when it came out, 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:42.200 so my crush was Shilah buff which has not aged Well. 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.720 My Kurt wouldn't convict you. It made sense at the time. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:47.320 He was on Even Stevens. 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:53.040 Loved Evan Stevens. My dance teacher. My dance teacher choreographed 0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:56.520 Even Steven's Influenza. I remember when she had to miss 0:21:56.560 --> 0:22:00.159 class because she was doing Even Steven's Influenza, and I 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:02.159 was just like, that's so cool. 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.680 Wow, that show was cooking. I think about the song 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.280 about going to space a lot. We went to the 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:10.560 Moon in nineteen sixty. 0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.520 Nine, not nineteen seventy, the year before four. 0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:20.119 Uh huh oh no, it's a millennial circle jerk episode. Well, 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:20.600 here's the thing. 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.639 I was one of the Friends without Cable as well, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.680 So I've never seen a single episode of Even Stevens, 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.000 and I think I probably was aged out of it anyway. 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:31.600 But yeah, I don't know what you guys are talking about. 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:34.040 I know, I don't think there's any need to return. 0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.160 It was just the age of the musical episode Even 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:41.680 Stevens had a musical episode and it was iconic, memorable. 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:44.040 Yeah, it was called Influenza, as one of the main 0:22:44.119 --> 0:22:46.960 characters had the flu and so she was like having 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.080 a fever dream and everybody was singing in the fever dream. 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.679 Yeah, okay, fine, but this is uh. 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:56.200 I think this is Shia Labuff's first movie. 0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.159 It's introducing in the credits. I was like, oh, like 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.240 I was. I was a little emotional. I was just like, wow, 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:03.480 that's where it all started. 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:08.919 Yikes, and oh that it had gone another way. But 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:12.080 the kids, I mean, it's very famous adult cast and 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.879 then a bunch of kids outside of chilah Buff I 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.760 think mostly unknowns. I think Cleo Thomas had done some stuff. 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:20.320 I saw he was on Kids Say the Darndest Things, 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.680 so he was child starring out. But so Gourney Weaver, 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:29.800 John Voight, Tim Blake Nelson, Henry Winkler. I remember my 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:32.080 mom being like, that's the Fonds because we will watch 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:34.320 Happy Days on Nick at night and I was like, 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:35.680 why isn't he cool anymore? 0:23:37.280 --> 0:23:40.639 And earth A Kitar the Kid, Oh my god. 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:45.160 One of her final film performances Delay Hill Patricia Arquette, 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:48.120 and they managed to make the movie for seventeen million dollars. 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.440 Don't know how that worked, but yeah, they brought a 0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.439 bunch of kids to the desert and made one of 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:55.720 the greatest movies of all time. 0:23:55.960 --> 0:23:58.880 Yes, let's take a quick break and then we'll come 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:00.840 back for the cap. 0:24:10.800 --> 0:24:11.760 And we're back. 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:12.639 Okay. 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:18.520 Here is the story of Holes. We open on a 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:23.879 place that we will learn is a juvenile detention facility 0:24:24.560 --> 0:24:28.199 where teenage boys are out in the hot sun digging 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.919 holes in the dirt. One of them purposefully gets bitten 0:24:32.040 --> 0:24:35.040 by a rattlesnake so that he can be sent home, 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.840 and that's going to open up a spot at this facility. 0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:41.280 And you're all like, immediate. I hadn't seen this movie 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:43.600 in a couple of years, and I was like, oh, 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.720 from moment one, they're not fucking around. 0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:50.280 This is a dark, cold open. 0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:56.040 I would rather potentially die, literally die. 0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:00.560 Than another hole, which was added for the mo It 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.119 does not happen in the book. They're just like something 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:05.399 something barf bag. But they started as a full on, 0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:10.439 like active You're just like okay, okay, director of the Fugitive, 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.080 Let's Go. Let's Go. 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:15.120 Also one of my favorite movies. 0:25:15.440 --> 0:25:17.320 I've never seen it. I just thought it was like, 0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:19.800 what a this is? I think his first and only 0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:20.840 children's movie. 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:22.720 I think so yeah, because he had been known for 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:24.040 action movies. 0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:27.000 Collateral Damage came out like so weird. 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:32.520 It does happen in the book that barf bag gets bitten, 0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:34.320 but it happens off screen, Like you don't see that 0:25:34.400 --> 0:25:37.520 scene play out. They just reference it after the fact. 0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.639 But in any case. We cut to stan Lee Yonnat's 0:25:41.720 --> 0:25:45.480 the fourth played by Shilah buff who is on his 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:49.919 way to this facility because he was wrongfully accused and 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:54.480 arrested for stealing a pair of shoes that seemed to 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:57.720 have fallen from the sky and land on his head. 0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:00.600 And he goes on to say that he has bad 0:26:00.720 --> 0:26:02.800 luck and he always seems to be in the wrong 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.320 place at the wrong time, which his family blames on 0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.800 a one hundred and fifty year old family curse. We 0:26:09.880 --> 0:26:13.959 meet his mom played by Chavon Fallen Hogan, and his 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:18.399 dad played by Henry Winkler, who is an inventor trying 0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:22.360 to find the cure for foot odor. We also meet 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:26.640 his grandfather, all of whom Stanley has to leave behind 0:26:26.920 --> 0:26:32.119 when a judge sentences him to eighteen months at the 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:37.040 detention facility called Camp Green Lake, where there used to 0:26:37.119 --> 0:26:40.239 be a lake, but it dried up long ago and 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:44.000 now it's a barren wasteland as far as the eye 0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:49.320 can see. At Camp Green Lake, Stanley meets mister Sir 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:54.879 played by John Voight, who tells Stanley that he's expected 0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:57.960 to dig one hole in the dirt every single day. 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.320 It has to be five feet deep, five feet in diameter, 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:05.560 and this will build character quote unquote, I love. 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:09.040 How instantly, Yeah, like how instantly it is clear to 0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:12.439 kids and anyone how ridiculous this is. Or it's like 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.280 that line where it's like, yeah, you bring a boy 0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:16.960 to camp and you make him dig a hole every 0:27:17.040 --> 0:27:20.040 day and he turns into a good boy, and that's 0:27:20.080 --> 0:27:24.159 our belief. You're like, ah's that is just describing prison. 0:27:24.560 --> 0:27:28.320 Yeah, I'm just like, yeah, holes they make you so wholesome. 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.840 They didn't even try. They didn't even try. It was 0:27:33.960 --> 0:27:34.520 right there. 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.680 They're like, no, dig a hole, be a good boy. 0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:42.560 You're like, okay, right. Mister Starr also tells Stanley to 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:48.800 beware of yellow spotted lizards, who are highly poisonous and lethal, 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.919 and if one bites you, you will die a slow 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:52.840 and painful death. 0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:57.360 Really good two thousand and three, CGI on the Lizards. 0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.400 You're like, there was a tennis ball there. 0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:03.880 You can almost steel the tennis. 0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:07.960 Energy with a racket. 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:13.680 So then we meet Stanley's counselor, doctor Pandanski played by 0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:18.399 Tim Blake Nelson, who assigns him to d tent where 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:23.720 Stanley meets other incarcerated teens who he'll be digging holes 0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:31.040 next to. They all have nicknames like x Ray, Zigzag, Squid, Armpit, Magnet, 0:28:31.119 --> 0:28:36.879 and Zero Zero, who doctor Pandensky is especially cruel to 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:40.959 because he thinks Zero is unintelligent and worthless. 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:45.320 Doctor Pandanski is such a fascinating care again, just like 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:49.840 another adult pretending to be good who is actually fucking 0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:52.800 awful and talks shit about the kids he's supposed to 0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:55.240 be taken care of behind our backs. The first second 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.000 he gets I think again, I've only seen it in 0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.520 series of unfortunate events, like adults who are as bad 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:03.000 as it seems. 0:29:03.800 --> 0:29:06.400 And also from jump we get that he is very 0:29:06.480 --> 0:29:09.920 much about calling the kids by their government names, even 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:11.840 though they have names and they'd like to be called 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:14.240 And then like it's giving what your name is Toby, 0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:16.680 what's your name? Not like that? 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.000 And except for zero, he keeps. 0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:23.040 Calling zero zero, and it's like, there's nothing going on 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.360 up there, your little dumb dummy. 0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:28.400 Right, And he like explicitly says that he feels comfortable 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:31.640 doing that because no one is looking out for zero 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:36.560 and so he doesn't matter, like it's just like it's 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:39.000 I don't know. I thought it's a good performance too, 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:43.720 because he's really putting on the hateful guidance counselor vibe 0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.200 big time. And then you find out at the ante 0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:46.760 never got. 0:29:46.560 --> 0:29:50.720 His degree, and you're like, fuck this guy, right, So 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:55.040 stan Lee settles in and starts to learn the ropes. 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.720 He reveals that the shoes he was accused of stealing 0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:04.120 belonged to Livingston, a famous baseball player, who had donated 0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:07.520 those shoes to be sold at a charity auction to 0:30:07.680 --> 0:30:11.480 raise money for an unhoused shelter. And so that's why 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:14.840 it was like such a huge deal that Stanley is 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.680 presumed to have stolen them and why he's sent to. 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:22.120 This and he, like the famous baseball player literally calls 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:25.080 a child a horrible person in court. So I was like, 0:30:25.360 --> 0:30:28.720 easy man, easy, He's like twelve. 0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:34.240 So then we flash back to Stanlee with his mom, dad, 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:38.240 and grandpa, who talk about the family curse how Stanley's 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:41.920 great grandpa made a fortune in the stock market but 0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:47.640 was robbed by a famous outlaw kissing Kate Barlow due 0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:51.960 to the family curse and his bad luck. We'll find 0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.280 more about the curse soon, but back to the present, 0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:58.960 Stanley starts digging his first hole. He's told that if 0:30:58.960 --> 0:31:02.560 he finds anything that the warden thinks is interesting, he 0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:05.320 could get the rest of the day off. So he 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:12.520 starts digging and it's hot and difficult and grueling, and 0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:16.480 then we flash back to stan Lee's no good, dirty, rotten, 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:21.800 pig stealing great great grandfather, Elia Yell Nats, who lives 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:25.080 in a small village in Latvia. He's in love with 0:31:25.120 --> 0:31:28.560 a woman named Myra Menke, who he wants to marry, 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:32.240 but her father wants her to marry a different man 0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.880 because that guy is offering him his biggest pig in 0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:42.120 exchange for his daughter because women equal property. So Elia 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:46.680 goes to a fortune teller named Madame Zarni played by 0:31:47.040 --> 0:31:48.520 the legend earth A Kit. 0:31:48.600 --> 0:31:50.800 Who I only knew at the time as you're like 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:54.560 it's Easma from the other movie. And then later you 0:31:54.640 --> 0:31:56.440 find out she is a legend. 0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:00.800 Yeah, like the President was scared of her at one point. Legend. 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.719 Oh my god, so good. 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:08.240 Yes, And she tells Ellia to carry a baby pig 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:11.080 up a mountain and let it drink from the stream 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.600 while he sings to it over the course of I 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:17.000 don't know, a few weeks or something, and it will 0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:19.480 make the pig grow and then he'll have a pig 0:32:19.520 --> 0:32:23.800 to offer Myra's father. And then Madames Roney says, okay, 0:32:23.840 --> 0:32:26.040 when you're done with that, Now you have to carry 0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.400 me up the mountain so I can drink from the 0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:31.400 stream and get strong. And if you fail to do that, 0:32:31.800 --> 0:32:34.280 I will put a curse on your family for always 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:35.080 an eternity. 0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:39.320 That line read really stuck with me, always an eternity, 0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:41.440 Like it's such a good read. 0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:48.560 Yeah, And Ellia forgets to honor this promise before he 0:32:48.720 --> 0:32:53.240 immigrates to the US, hence the yell NAT's family curse. 0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:58.800 Back to Stanley, he finishes his first hole and then 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.240 it's either the next day or a few days later, 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:04.320 but Stanley finds a fossil in his hole and shows 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.280 it to Pendanski hoping that the warden will find it 0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.680 interesting and that he'll get the rest of the day off. 0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:15.360 But the warden is not interested in fossils. Now, x Ray, 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:18.520 who's kind of the leader of the boys who live 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:23.040 in Dtent, tells Stanley to give him anything else he 0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:28.200 finds since x Ray has like seniority. Then we flash 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:32.320 back to one hundred or so years ago when there 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:37.360 was a lake in this location. We meet Sam played 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.880 by Julae Hill, who is an onion farmer and he 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:46.200 sells all kinds of medicinal onion based remedies. And then 0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:50.400 we also meet a school teacher who makes spiced peaches, 0:33:50.880 --> 0:33:53.520 Mss Catherine played by Patricia Arquette. 0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:56.320 And you're like, these actors are hot. I wonder what 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:57.240 will happen. 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:03.360 Yeah, the two of them are vibing and they exchange, 0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.680 you know, onions and peaches. Then we also meet this 0:34:07.880 --> 0:34:12.680 rich prick named trout Walker, who has taken a liking 0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:17.239 to Miss Catherine and will return to this storyline. But 0:34:17.440 --> 0:34:22.160 in the meantime, back in the present, Stanley's peers finally 0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:26.600 give him a nickname, Caveman, so he's like one of 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:32.439 them now. Then he learns that zero the kid who 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.440 mostly keeps to himself. He only seems to talk to 0:34:36.000 --> 0:34:40.280 caveman slash Stanley, and we find out that he cannot read, 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.359 so Zero asks Stanley if he'll teach him to read, 0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:47.480 but Stanley says that he's too tired at the end 0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.319 of every day and he just wants to chill. The 0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:55.800 next day, Stanley finds something peculiar while he's digging his hole. 0:34:56.480 --> 0:35:01.520 It's this like small golden cylindrical tube that looks like 0:35:01.560 --> 0:35:04.720 it might be a bullet or a shellcasing of some kind, 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.799 and it has the letters KB engraved on it. So 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.520 Stanley gives it to x Ray per his request, who 0:35:12.560 --> 0:35:16.359 shows it to Pandanski, who calls the warden, and we 0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:19.080 finally see the warden on screen, who turns out to 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.040 be a whoa whoa whoa woman? 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.840 What women can be bad too? 0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:29.560 Lewis Nakara is not afraid to say it. 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:35.000 Oh her nail polish. That is such a good detail 0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:38.480 at Oh that scene in the book like really stuck 0:35:38.520 --> 0:35:41.120 with me where she puts on her evil lady nail 0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:45.440 polish and then slaps John backhands John voy she's doing it. 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:47.919 I didn't never realize she's also wearing a sports braw 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:53.880 In that scene, You're like, this is nuts, Like she 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.719 just finished doing like yoga on zoom and then she 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.160 like almost kills John Voyd. 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:03.239 Yeah, it's pretty awesome. That happens a little later. First, yes, 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.600 we meet her, it's so Corney Weaver. She gives x 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:09.080 Ray the rest of the day off for finding this 0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.280 interesting item, and then she orders everyone to dig around 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:17.399 x Ray's hole, thinking that that's where the bullet thing 0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:20.719 came from, but we all know that it came from 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:24.520 a different hole of Stanley's. Then we flash back to 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:30.400 Miss Catherine and Sam. He helps her fix up the schoolhouse. 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.600 If there's a leaky roof or a broken window. He says, 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:39.560 I can fix that, and they're falling in love. And meanwhile, 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:43.600 that rich fuck trout Walker wants to take Miss Catherine 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:47.319 out for a picnic, but she declines and he does 0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:51.120 not handle rejection. Well. Yeah, and one night he sees 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:55.120 Miss Catherine and Sam kissing in the schoolhouse. 0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:57.239 Because he sees her crying and says, I can fix that. 0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:00.000 It's really that would work. 0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:03.799 On the iphear I folded like a lawn chair, Like 0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.640 I'm done, let's close the windows. 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:11.560 We're having a party, one of the most popular letterbox reviews. 0:37:12.120 --> 0:37:14.520 Will someone tell mister I can fix that that my 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:15.520 pussy's broken? 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:22.800 Yeah, oh my god, that's amazing. 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:25.440 I also love that there is this It's like, not 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.040 it's a whatever, like one of a million themes in 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.880 this movie, but that even in the flashbacks, there is 0:37:32.920 --> 0:37:38.200 this theme of literacy and gate keeping education because she 0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.640 also teaches night classes to the same men who are 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.520 fucking creeping on her. But it's like the movie isn't 0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:47.719 I don't know. The movie is saying like, these guys 0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.960 are awful, but also they are you know, like at 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.160 a disadvantage as well. 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:56.440 And she believes that despite the fact that they are awful, 0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:00.560 they deserve the you know, privileges that literacy Ford's one 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:04.280 in society, right. And on top of that, she's reading 0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:10.800 the kids like an Edgar Allan Poe poem and Sam 0:38:09.920 --> 0:38:14.480 can the poem and I'm like, oh, Stallar, we love it, 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.080 love it. He's so fine. 0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:18.080 I think it is. I think it is an one 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.880 of those Edgar Allan Poe poems that is like about 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:23.600 fucking his cousin. But the spirit of it. 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:25.680 It's the spirit of it it's fine. 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:30.080 Annabel Lee was redeemed by delay Hill also. 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:33.360 Petition to start calling them Edgar Allan Poems. I just 0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:34.400 feel like it's it's. 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:35.600 Cleaner, it's right there. 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:39.040 Yeah, it's that's your ear doing justin Timberlake in the 0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:45.480 social note and then just stomp out of the room. 0:38:46.040 --> 0:38:46.279 Right. 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:49.439 So, yes, this is a white woman and a black 0:38:49.560 --> 0:38:55.560 man kissing in Jim Crow, Texas. So trout Walker sees this. 0:38:55.760 --> 0:39:00.120 He alerts the town people, who start a riot. They 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:04.200 burn down the schoolhouse, they go after Sam. Miss Catherine 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.719 tells the sheriff, who has no intention of stopping any 0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:07.960 of this. 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.520 No, he just like hits on her. 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:13.719 He harasses and prays on her. 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:16.680 I've been called slurs in my life. I gotta say 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:21.880 Onion Picker was scarily slurry when he was like, kiss 0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:22.840 the onion picker. 0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.000 I feel it, Yeah, onion Picker with a hard R. 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:30.719 That's a lot, yeah yeah yeah. And right after this, 0:39:31.200 --> 0:39:35.480 the racist mob catches up to Sam. They kill his 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:40.839 beloved donkey Mary Lou, and they murder Sam. We cut 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:45.120 back to the present. The boys are still digging collectively 0:39:45.280 --> 0:39:49.840 while the warden supervises and clearly expects them to find something, 0:39:50.520 --> 0:39:54.880 but nothing else is found because, to quote Raiders of 0:39:54.920 --> 0:39:58.960 the Lost Arc, they're digging in the wrong place. Wow, 0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.160 so thank you so much. 0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:05.399 It's a little Seinfeld edge to that. 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:06.920 That's just how they say it in the movie. That 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:13.280 was unintentional, but the warden has them returned to digging 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:19.400 individual holes when no other items are found. Back to 0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:23.320 the past, Miss Catherine pays another visit to the sheriff 0:40:23.520 --> 0:40:28.840 and kills him for not preventing the racist mob murdering Sam. 0:40:29.520 --> 0:40:32.160 And this is the start of her becoming the famous 0:40:32.200 --> 0:40:36.600 outlaw kissing Kate Barlow. We cut back to the present. 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:42.520 Magnet steals mister Sirr's sunflower seeds from his truck and 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.120 Stanley takes the blame for it. And so this is 0:40:45.120 --> 0:40:47.720 the scene, Jamie, that you were talking about where mister 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:51.160 Sir takes Stanley to see the warden, but rather than 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:55.120 getting in trouble, the warden smacks mister Surr's face while 0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:59.040 she has wet rattlesnake, venom nail polish on. 0:40:59.560 --> 0:41:02.880 Ooh ooh wah. 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.359 It is a very like feminist You know, you could 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:07.880 make your arguments against it, but it's just such a 0:41:07.920 --> 0:41:11.600 good idea that I will not be hearing criticisms of 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:12.760 the snake Venom nail. 0:41:12.600 --> 0:41:16.880 Pasha, and Mister responds by saying, all I do is 0:41:16.920 --> 0:41:18.160 give you love and affection. 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.279 Yeah, it's implied that he has a crush on her 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.640 because he's always like fixing his hair when he's about 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:27.520 to see her and stuff. 0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:32.279 It's also it's another I mean John Voyd, another bad man, yes, 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.680 who gives a really great performance in this It's true. 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:40.839 Yeah. So Stanley returns to his hole and he discovers 0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:46.040 the Zero finished digging it for him, and so Stanlee 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:51.160 offers to teach Zero to read after all, and in exchange, 0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:54.759 Zero will help Stanley dig his hole every day. So 0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.240 they start lessons and Zero is like, by the way, 0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.759 my real name is Hector's Zerny, And we're like, hmm, 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:07.319 where have we heard the name Zarny before. So then 0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:11.359 Hector tells Stanley about his past, how he and his 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:16.120 mom moved around a lot, then they became unhoused and 0:42:16.360 --> 0:42:19.759 one day his mom had to leave him somewhere and 0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.799 she didn't come back, and Hector never found out what 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.000 happened to her. And he says, if I could, I 0:42:26.000 --> 0:42:29.279 would hire a whole team of private investigators to find her. 0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.640 We'll put a pin in that. The other boys meanwhile 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:37.799 resent that Stanley is getting help digging his hole, and 0:42:37.840 --> 0:42:42.200 a fight breaks out and it culminates in Hector hitting 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.359 Pendanski in the head with a shovel and running off. 0:42:45.560 --> 0:42:48.520 That Zero is the best character. 0:42:48.680 --> 0:42:50.239 Oh, he truly. 0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:52.560 Beats the shit out of you. Oh he's so great. 0:42:52.840 --> 0:42:55.279 There's a quote from Because there was a There was 0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.799 a I think it was like two years ago. There 0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:01.520 was a short oral history for the twentieth anniversary, and 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:04.640 Cleia Thomas says Zero is not the most Disney friendly character. 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:06.920 Like he was grabbing eight balls ready to fight. He 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.160 hit a guy with a shovel, he choked somebody out. 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.880 I keep thinking about how this character I'm playing might 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:15.040 be the biggest gangster in Disney history. It was crazy, 0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:17.399 and I kind of forget how like Zero, I mean, 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:19.360 he stands up for himself. He's the coolest. 0:43:19.560 --> 0:43:24.960 It's awesome. So Zero aka Hector runs away from camp. 0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:30.400 The warden, Mister Cyr and Pandanski discuss deleting Hector's 'errony's 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:33.879 files and pretending like he was never at Camp Green 0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:37.360 Lake because he's a ward of the state. There's no 0:43:37.600 --> 0:43:40.600 known family looking for him, so they're like, we can 0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.439 just basically delete his existence from ever having been here. 0:43:45.880 --> 0:43:49.799 So Stanley's thinking about Hector now being out in this 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:54.160 barren wasteland with no water, no food, no shelter from 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:57.280 the elements kind of thing, and he recalls his grandpa 0:43:57.400 --> 0:44:01.440 telling him about his great grandpa who kissing Kate Barlow, 0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:05.560 robbed and left stranded in the desert for sixteen days, 0:44:06.000 --> 0:44:12.000 and how he apparently found refuge on God's thumb, whatever 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:18.160 that means. Then a new kid named Twitch arrives to 0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:22.799 take Hector's spot at the camp and he helps Stanley 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:28.160 steal mister Sirr's truck, which Stanley drives off to find Hector. 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:32.960 He almost immediately drives it into a hole, but Stanley 0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:36.200 keeps going. He runs off away from camp and he 0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:40.399 finds an overturned boat in the dirt where Hector's hiding out. 0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:47.320 Hector offers Stanley some Splosh, which is the one hundred 0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:51.080 year old spiced peaches that Miss Catherine made and gave 0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:55.480 to Sam. Because this is Sam's boat. 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:57.040 It's all connected. 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.920 So I think the worst part of this movie slash 0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:06.240 book story in general is the words. 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.000 Yeah, yeah, they. 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:11.160 Really needed to do a second draft on that. But anyway, 0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:12.240 I think it's. 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:14.640 A fun word for kids, but like as an adult 0:45:14.680 --> 0:45:17.200 and like it sounds too much like things. 0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:19.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't want to. 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:22.719 Think about Hector's rony drinking things. 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.080 I also is like, I feel like I have looked 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:32.280 this up on past years, like can peaches like last 0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:32.839 like that? 0:45:33.200 --> 0:45:36.640 I think if they're preserved properly, right, maybe I. 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:38.120 Just assume it's a little magic. 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:42.479 Also, to be fair, he gets immediately ill from that's true. 0:45:42.520 --> 0:45:46.560 He just started throwing up the passing for days. That's true. 0:45:46.680 --> 0:45:47.160 That's true. 0:45:47.760 --> 0:45:51.759 So Stanley and Hector try to figure out what to 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:55.600 do next. In the distance, they see a mountain that's 0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:59.040 sort of in the shape of a thumbs up, and 0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.800 they think maybe that's what Stanley's great grandpa meant about 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:06.279 finding refuge on God's thumb. So they head there. They 0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:10.120 climb the mountain. It's a long difficult journey. Hector gets 0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.680 stick along the way from drinking this blush. So Stanley 0:46:13.920 --> 0:46:19.880 carries Hector Zarny aka Madam Zarroni's great great great grandson 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.640 up the Mountain to drink from the water they find there, 0:46:25.320 --> 0:46:31.200 which effectively lifts the yell NAT's family curse. They find 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:35.640 a bunch of onions and eat them because also this 0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:41.279 was Sam's secret onion garden. Again it's all connected. And 0:46:41.320 --> 0:46:44.440 then also at this exact moment back at Stanley's house, 0:46:45.000 --> 0:46:49.440 Stanley's dad finally invents the cure to foot odor and 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:53.560 the secret ingredients peaches and onions. 0:46:53.760 --> 0:46:55.880 I don't yeah, again, there you have to magic it 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:58.319 a little bit to be like onions cure or did 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.200 it just make odor smell. 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:05.000 They were boiled? I don't know. I believe. 0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:08.600 I believe that the fawn's cured foot oder. 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:09.840 I'm not a chemist. 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:12.239 I don't know what's in the onion that interacts with 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:13.600 the peach that makes. 0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:17.359 It smell real, because a caramelized onion has a very 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:20.160 sweet night true's and taste. 0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:23.719 It is beautiful that the legacy of their love cured foot. 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:26.200 I wanted to cry a little bit. 0:47:26.400 --> 0:47:27.560 It's really nice. 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:33.440 Yeah. So, while Hector and Stanley rest and recover, Hector 0:47:33.520 --> 0:47:37.080 reveals that it was him who stole Clyde Livingston's famous 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:41.040 baseball shoes and it's his fault that Stanley got arrested 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:45.000 and sent to Camp Green Lake, but Stanley is not upset. 0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:48.880 He's just like this is destiny, and he suggests they 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:52.400 go back to camp and dig one last hole in 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:57.120 the spot where Stanley originally found that gold tube, which 0:47:57.200 --> 0:48:00.600 he thinks is probably a tube of lips stick and 0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:05.600 that the KB stands for Kate Barlow. Meanwhile, back at camp, 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:10.320 a lawyer that Stanley's family hired played by Roma Mafia 0:48:10.880 --> 0:48:14.640 shows up to collect Stanley, but the warden kind of 0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:16.560 shows her away and tells her to come back with 0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:20.680 a signed court order. Obviously because Stanley's not there. He 0:48:20.760 --> 0:48:22.680 ran away, so she has to make up an excuse. 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:26.719 And now the warden and mister sirr and Pandansky are 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:31.400 panicking because they assume Stanley is dead out in the desert. 0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:35.080 Yeah, and he quote unquote matters because his family has 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:36.399 secured a lawyer, right. 0:48:36.800 --> 0:48:41.279 Yeah. We flash back to kissing Kate Barlow being approached 0:48:41.400 --> 0:48:46.080 by Trout Walker and his wife wanting to know where 0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.400 she buried all the loot she stole. 0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:52.360 She somehow found Turn of the century like hair Bleach's 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:54.240 a she's got a new wig. 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.920 Well, she's out in the sun all the time, and 0:48:57.000 --> 0:48:57.479 it's true. 0:48:57.520 --> 0:48:58.200 It looks good. 0:48:58.360 --> 0:48:59.040 It looks good. 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:03.439 Yeah, but Kate is like you and your family can 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:06.279 dig for the next one hundred years and you will 0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:10.759 never find my treasure. And that's what Camp Green Like 0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.000 is all about, because the warden is a descendant of 0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:19.320 Trout Walker and she is using unpaid child prison labor 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:23.240 to dig holes to search for Kissing Kate Barlow's treasure. 0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:28.040 Stanley and Hector returned to camp and they start expanding 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:32.000 the hole where Stanley found the lipstick tube and they 0:49:32.040 --> 0:49:36.239 find a treasure chest. But just then the warden, Mister 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:39.480 Sir and Pandanski show up and catch them, but they 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:42.080 can't really do anything because they realize that the hole 0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:45.240 is filled with a dozen of those highly lethal yellow 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:49.359 spotted lizards that are crawling all over but not attacking 0:49:49.760 --> 0:49:53.439 Stanley and Hector because they've eaten all those onions, which 0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:55.960 are a natural lizard repellent. 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:59.720 Hey, for a movie about holes, there's not a single 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:04.680 hole in the plot of the movie. There's true, everything 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.200 is explained, yea, and it all is like a cross 0:50:08.239 --> 0:50:11.080 generational Oh, it's so good. 0:50:13.520 --> 0:50:18.200 A few hours later, Stanley's lawyer returns the warden makes 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:20.800 up a story about how Stanley broke into her cabin 0:50:21.080 --> 0:50:25.040 and stole her trunk, but Hector is like, no, this 0:50:25.160 --> 0:50:28.400 trunk belongs to Stanley. It's got his name on it, 0:50:28.920 --> 0:50:32.759 and sure enough, the name Stanley Yellnatz is carved into 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.839 the trunk because this is the treasure that belonged to 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:40.920 his great grandfather. This means Stanley and Hector are free, 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:44.919 as are all the other boys, because Camp Green Lake 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:49.439 is shut down and the warden, Mister Sir, and Pandanski 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.759 are arrested. It also starts raining in this area for 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:57.000 the first time in one hundred years, in a scene 0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.440 that felt a lot to me like a movie that 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.200 we have either just released or were covering soon, The 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:08.960 Shashank Redemption Where when and now? Okay, now I always 0:51:09.120 --> 0:51:14.640 mix up Tim Robbins and Tim Robinson, but anyway, Tim Robbins. 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:17.000 Very different guys, so different. 0:51:16.640 --> 0:51:19.399 But their names are too similar. Anyway, Tim Robbins when 0:51:19.400 --> 0:51:23.920 he spoiler alert, finds freedom and it's pouring rain and 0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:27.960 he's like, ah, so it felt like that to me anyway. 0:51:27.640 --> 0:51:29.520 Wow, I was gonna watch that movie. 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:34.040 So yeah, sorry for spoiling now. A thirty year old movie, 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:34.640 it reigns. 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:35.520 Then he goes. 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:41.800 Ah, okay, So we cut to Stanley and Hector at 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:45.120 the yell NAT's house. They open the trunk. It's full 0:51:45.239 --> 0:51:49.520 of gold and jewels and stocks and bonds. Question Mark, 0:51:49.560 --> 0:51:50.960 I don't know what those papers are. 0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:53.439 And for some reason, Stanley is the one that knows 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:57.720 about how money has appreciated over the last like century, 0:51:57.760 --> 0:51:59.520 because his mom's like, Stanley, what do you think? I 0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:02.120 was like, what is daily know about banking? He's you know, 0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.960 he's in middle school, but he knows. 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:06.520 He takes math class. 0:52:06.640 --> 0:52:08.960 I believe that He's like, it's worth at least a 0:52:09.000 --> 0:52:11.520 million dollars. I was like, good, good math on your 0:52:11.560 --> 0:52:15.319 feet man's and and I really it'll it like makes 0:52:15.320 --> 0:52:16.879 me so much of the end of this movie makes 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.680 me tear up. But the fact that, like, even before 0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:23.440 they know Zero is a Zeroni and connected to the 0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:27.080 history of their family, they agree to give him half 0:52:27.120 --> 0:52:30.600 of whatever is in there, and it's like mm hmmm, collective, 0:52:31.000 --> 0:52:32.120 I know it's great and. 0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.080 Like, no, no fight the parents. 0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:38.239 Ye have windos to Hector, one for us, one for 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:42.120 mister Saroni, one for us, one for mister Sni And 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:46.120 then the grandfather embraces Hector and kisses him. 0:52:45.920 --> 0:52:50.080 And I'm just like, oh, it's really nice, so nice. 0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:53.760 And then Hector uses some of his money to hire 0:52:53.920 --> 0:52:56.920 a team of private investigators to track down his mom, 0:52:57.480 --> 0:53:00.239 which he does, and they reunite and embrace and that's 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:04.400 also very sweet and tearful. And then the movie ends 0:53:04.440 --> 0:53:07.959 with all of the boys from d tent at Stanley's 0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:11.880 nice new house with a pool. They gather around the 0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:16.720 TV to watch a commercial where that baseball player Clyde 0:53:16.760 --> 0:53:21.959 Livingston is the spokesman for Splosh, which is stan Lee's 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:25.400 dad's product for treating foot odor. 0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:30.200 The end, and You're like, sure he's also I didn't know. 0:53:30.560 --> 0:53:33.560 I guess that that guy, the guy who plays Clyde 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:36.960 Livingston was Rick Fox. Yeah, but he played for like 0:53:36.960 --> 0:53:39.440 the Celtics and the Lakers, and like was a pro athlete. 0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:41.520 Didn't know, I don't know enough about sports. 0:53:41.560 --> 0:53:44.640 Why didn't then make him a basketball player? 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.400 So because because like Mike had just come out, they're like, 0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.960 there's two basketball shoes of it's played out in children's media. 0:53:51.440 --> 0:53:51.640 Fair. 0:53:52.200 --> 0:53:55.040 That's honestly my guess, but I have no idea. 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:58.359 Yeah, anyway, so that's the movie. Let's take a quick 0:53:58.360 --> 0:54:09.520 break and we'll come back to discuss. 0:54:11.400 --> 0:54:15.359 And where back. I wanted to say just the one 0:54:15.520 --> 0:54:20.080 thing about this movie, and I didn't finish rereading the book, 0:54:20.080 --> 0:54:22.919 so I don't remember or I don't know like how 0:54:22.960 --> 0:54:24.960 this is dealt with in the book. There is like 0:54:25.520 --> 0:54:28.880 in a movie that is shockingly not Disneyfied in most ways. 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:33.000 The ending does feel a little Disneyfied to me, but 0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.239 only in the one scene where you know, it's so 0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:41.240 critical of justice and of the school to prison pipeline 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.840 and all of these things that you never see discussed 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.640 in media, much less children's media. But at the end 0:54:46.719 --> 0:54:49.839 when you know, it's like, oh, well, it's just that 0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.160 the state didn't know that this is how the prison 0:54:53.480 --> 0:54:56.359 was being run, but now that they know, they're gonna 0:54:56.400 --> 0:54:58.960 take care of it, and like that was the only 0:54:59.040 --> 0:55:02.239 sort of disney fire plot point for me. It was like, 0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:04.920 because that is sort of what you're taught of, Like, oh, well, 0:55:04.920 --> 0:55:07.760 if you're if they're doing something bad, it's only because 0:55:09.400 --> 0:55:12.880 surely nobody knows it's not inherent to the system that 0:55:12.920 --> 0:55:13.600 it's a part. 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:20.120 Of I did fully reread the book a couple days ago. Yeah, 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:24.120 I mean me reading a book. Wow, good, thank you. 0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:29.200 But I tend to agree. There is a moment in 0:55:29.360 --> 0:55:34.040 the movie which it does feel very cathartic, when like, yeah, 0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:37.319 the warden and mister sir and like the officials at 0:55:37.320 --> 0:55:42.720 the camp are arrested and humiliated and all this stuff 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.799 that doesn't really happen. In the book, there is a 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:48.799 reference to how Camp Green Lake gets shut down and 0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:51.560 will be converted into a Girl Scout Camp. 0:55:51.920 --> 0:55:54.600 Which at one point was going to become a Disney 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:55.400 Plus series. 0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:57.759 I think it's still in development. 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:02.719 I'm sorry, what isn't that bizarre? I was kind of like, yeah, 0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:03.799 I'd watch it. I don't know. 0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:06.760 They could have just kept making Bunked. I don't understand 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:10.799 they canceled Bunked a show Camp. And also, this is 0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:13.880 my listen. If you are a Disney executive, call me, 0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:17.480 because I think that we I know that everything's a reboot, 0:56:17.640 --> 0:56:20.799 even Fascism right now, but I think that we need 0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:22.239 to reboot Bug Juice. 0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.959 And I was gonna say, a great camp show. 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.319 I don't know why, because like it's unscripted, it's gonna 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:28.360 be super cheap to produce. 0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:32.920 It's you know, get those kid influencers started early. I guess. 0:56:34.239 --> 0:56:39.320 Bug Juice was so awesome. Kids shows were really gross, 0:56:39.800 --> 0:56:42.320 like I because that was like Baby Survivor. 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:45.960 I have never heard of this. I don't know what 0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:47.200 you're talking about, but yeah. 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:51.000 It was like a camp reality show. It was like 0:56:51.200 --> 0:56:53.240 kids at Summer Camp, and it was like the trials 0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:56.080 and tribulations of the drama of summer Camp. 0:56:56.320 --> 0:56:59.280 So I'm like, if you want to make a camp show, either. 0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:02.080 Bring back the script camp show that you literally just canceled, 0:57:02.560 --> 0:57:05.680 or you know, you have to renegotiate everybody's contract blah 0:57:05.680 --> 0:57:09.960 blah blah, or bring back Bug Juice a show that 0:57:10.360 --> 0:57:11.319 needs to be brought back. 0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:12.560 I think about this all the. 0:57:12.560 --> 0:57:15.040 Time because I don't and you're totally right, it like 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:19.919 it fits influencer culture absurdly. Well, yeah, huh. 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.760 So the Disney plus TV adaptation that's I think still 0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:27.680 in development. I don't know much about it, but basically 0:57:27.760 --> 0:57:31.080 it's an adaptation of the book. So it's not necessarily 0:57:31.120 --> 0:57:36.160 about like fun summer Camp. It's about like prison labor camp. 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.040 But it is like a quote unquote all female reboot, 0:57:40.960 --> 0:57:44.760 which I don't know how that will go exactly. 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:47.280 That's what makes me think it is not going to 0:57:47.320 --> 0:57:49.640 be made because I feel like that time has come 0:57:49.680 --> 0:57:52.320 and gone and what so has Disney plus making like 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:55.280 original content ruined it? 0:57:55.800 --> 0:58:01.040 Yeah, I think both All Lady Goes to My was 0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:05.240 the start of the death knell, and then Katy perry 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:07.200 Space Journey is like. 0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:08.800 The final nail of the coffin. 0:58:09.200 --> 0:58:12.080 Yeah, there was a wave of feminism that ended when 0:58:12.200 --> 0:58:14.600 Katy Perry went to Space because it was just like 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:18.520 what feminism? What are you even? What are you saying? 0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:19.320 I hate it? 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:22.840 Woman should space tourism anyways? 0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:26.240 Yes, And then I would say the other big adaptation 0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:31.520 change from the book in general and especially at the end, 0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:37.360 is that Stanley feels a lot more confident at the end, 0:58:37.440 --> 0:58:40.320 and he likes himself now and now he has friends. 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:45.600 And this is part of a larger adaptation change that 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:48.960 we alluded to it at the beginning of the episode, 0:58:49.320 --> 0:58:51.520 which I would like to talk more about, which is 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:58.440 the fat erasure of Stanley's character. So basically, in the book, 0:58:58.880 --> 0:59:03.400 Stanley is fat. In the movie, he is thin. In 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:07.320 the book, it's mentioned that Stanley is teased and bullied 0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:10.440 at school by his peers for being fat. Sometimes his 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:15.080 teachers will kind of subconsciously fat shame him. He doesn't 0:59:15.200 --> 0:59:20.360 have much self confidence or friends. As a result, over 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.160 the course of the book, he does lose some weight 0:59:23.480 --> 0:59:27.440 due to strenuous activity of digging holes every day. It 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.160 doesn't ever say how much weight he loses, but it 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:32.560 does say that by the end of the story he 0:59:33.040 --> 0:59:37.440 has more confidence, he has friends, he likes himself. It 0:59:37.600 --> 0:59:40.920 is not super clear in the book exactly how much 0:59:41.000 --> 0:59:46.600 of his confidence boost, if any, correlates to his weight loss. 0:59:46.760 --> 0:59:51.440 But even so, I do remember that readers of the 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:55.240 book they appreciated there being representation of a fat protagonist 0:59:55.280 --> 0:59:58.920 who is likable and compelling, who is at the center 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:02.600 of this really you know, interesting and layered story, who 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:05.360 has an arc. And I remember a lot of the 1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:09.360 criticism about this movie when it came out that, you know, 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:13.040 audiences were disappointed that that aspect of the character was 1:00:13.040 --> 1:00:16.720 completely erased. They wanted to see on screen representation of 1:00:16.760 --> 1:00:21.200 a fat protagonist, but instead the movie cast a thin 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:25.120 actor in Shila buff And I know that the choice 1:00:25.120 --> 1:00:27.600 to cast a you know, a thin actor in this 1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:31.960 role and to not have to have, you know, like 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:36.000 someone wear a fat suit or anything like that totally valid. 1:00:35.840 --> 1:00:38.120 But Also, it's like they could have just cast a 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:39.240 fat actor. 1:00:39.080 --> 1:00:40.600 Right, because the thing is like, if they wanted to 1:00:40.640 --> 1:00:44.200 emit something, why did it have to be his fatness. 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.960 If anything, they could have omitted his weight loss. 1:00:46.880 --> 1:00:49.400 Right, that was the Yeah, that would be ideal, right, Like, 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:50.680 at the end of the day, it. 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:53.680 Is about the confidence. And the thing about being fat 1:00:53.880 --> 1:00:58.520 is that, for the most part, being fat is not actually, 1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:02.439 in my opinion, as a fat person, that bad. 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:06.240 I'm hot, I am fine with the way that I look. 1:01:07.880 --> 1:01:11.120 The problem with being fat is society and the way 1:01:11.160 --> 1:01:14.760 that society treats fat people. And the problem with Stanley 1:01:14.760 --> 1:01:17.600 being fat is the fact that he's getting teased. He 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:20.880 has no confidence because adults and children alike are making 1:01:20.920 --> 1:01:24.720 him feel bad about his body. And like the nineties 1:01:24.840 --> 1:01:28.120 was also a peak heroin chic, the early two thousands 1:01:28.240 --> 1:01:29.680 was like low rise. 1:01:29.600 --> 1:01:33.400 Genes also experiencing another unfortunate reboot. 1:01:33.960 --> 1:01:35.320 Yeah, the rise of. 1:01:35.280 --> 1:01:40.600 Like skinny talk is terrifying. It's like anemia Tumbler all 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:41.200 over again. 1:01:41.440 --> 1:01:43.240 It really, it really. 1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:47.800 Is like very disconcerting to encounter, and like, I find 1:01:47.800 --> 1:01:49.840 myself having thoughts that I haven't had in twenty years, 1:01:49.880 --> 1:01:50.960 and I'm just like stop it. 1:01:52.640 --> 1:01:55.560 But I'm okay, I'm good. But every now and. 1:01:55.600 --> 1:01:58.000 Then I'm just like, like, I'll read the can of 1:01:58.040 --> 1:02:02.400 a Lacroix and I'll feel bad about myself because looks 1:02:02.440 --> 1:02:05.560 actually are really weird of fat Shamie, because they really 1:02:05.920 --> 1:02:09.720 yeah with them, they say zero carbs, zero. 1:02:09.880 --> 1:02:14.040 Fat, zero, zero guilt or something like that. 1:02:14.280 --> 1:02:15.680 It's innocent. 1:02:16.720 --> 1:02:19.120 Oh my god, it does say equals innocent yea. 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:22.800 And sometimes it gets to me. 1:02:23.440 --> 1:02:25.520 Polar would never, polar would never. 1:02:25.880 --> 1:02:28.600 Yeah, a spin drift couldn't catch them. 1:02:28.880 --> 1:02:32.520 No, absolutely not. No, I Caitlyn, that's a great point. 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.560 Like it's because I did feel like, I guess what, 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:38.800 I I agree with you, Karama that you know, putting 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:41.280 child above in a fat suit would have aged the 1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:45.600 movie terribly. Yeah, but I did feel like in the 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:48.320 portion of the book that I finished that there was 1:02:48.960 --> 1:02:51.040 it was like one of the faults of the book 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:54.120 to me. I've I thought anyways that Lewis de Carr 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:58.160 was sort of putting some morality towards the weight loss 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:00.840 in a way that just felt kind of out of 1:03:00.840 --> 1:03:02.760 step with a lot of what the book is doing. 1:03:03.400 --> 1:03:08.680 Totally and right. If there was again anything to omit 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:13.200 from the adaptation, it could be the weight loss, or 1:03:13.240 --> 1:03:16.480 at least the implication that his boost and confidence correlates 1:03:16.520 --> 1:03:18.480 in some way to his weight loss. 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:21.520 I do also think that, like we are looking at 1:03:21.520 --> 1:03:24.840 this very much with twenty twenty five eyes, and I 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:28.480 think that having a kid that was fat on screen 1:03:28.880 --> 1:03:31.800 be made fun of for being fat was something that 1:03:31.960 --> 1:03:34.800 was like also going to be considered like damaging, like 1:03:34.840 --> 1:03:36.840 putting this fat kid in the public eye, And I 1:03:36.880 --> 1:03:39.480 think that it ultimately would have been damaging. 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:39.880 For that kid. 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:43.080 Sure, And I know that like Heavyweights was a movie 1:03:43.080 --> 1:03:45.439 that came out in a similar era. 1:03:46.520 --> 1:03:49.000 I can't remember exactly what your Heavyweights. 1:03:48.480 --> 1:03:52.240 Came out, Yeah, late nineties, I think because he isn't 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:56.040 Keenan Thompson in it, so it's like, yeah, Keenan era, 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:57.440 I think baby Keenan's in it. 1:03:57.560 --> 1:03:57.760 Yeah. 1:03:57.800 --> 1:03:59.840 But the thing about Keenan is it was always okay 1:03:59.840 --> 1:04:01.720 for him to be fat because he was funny, do 1:04:01.760 --> 1:04:04.640 you know what I mean? Whereas like with Holes, it's 1:04:04.680 --> 1:04:09.160 more of a dramatic turn and you're sort of like 1:04:09.200 --> 1:04:13.520 the hero of this drama. And I think that I 1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:16.200 think that I would have loved if it were different. 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:18.800 But I also kind of understand why it was the 1:04:18.800 --> 1:04:20.600 way that it was with. 1:04:20.920 --> 1:04:24.080 The time that it came out, and adding that to 1:04:24.600 --> 1:04:28.000 I mean, I think I'm sure that I'm but I 1:04:28.360 --> 1:04:33.360 the only young fat actors that I remember knowing of 1:04:33.440 --> 1:04:36.720 as a kid were Keenan Thompson and Lori Beth Denberg 1:04:36.840 --> 1:04:40.320 and that was it. And so if the you know, 1:04:40.400 --> 1:04:44.360 directive is to cast Stanley yell Natz as a known actor, 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:48.360 that might have been hard also because of how of 1:04:48.400 --> 1:04:50.920 how prejudiced Hollywood is in the first place, where the 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:54.000 most well known child actors are you know, finn Totally. 1:04:54.200 --> 1:04:57.720 This is before Nicki Blonski changed cinema. 1:04:58.000 --> 1:05:00.480 It was a few years away, in just three years. 1:05:02.240 --> 1:05:08.320 So the filmmakers spoke to this adaptation change in an 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:11.160 interview in two thousand and three. So it was Lewis 1:05:11.200 --> 1:05:18.240 Sacker and director Andrew Davis were interviewed by Phase nine. Sure, 1:05:18.280 --> 1:05:20.280 I don't know exactly what that is, some kind of 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:28.080 film publication, but anyway, precisely, they were asked how they 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:31.120 searched for the right kids, like the right child actors 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:35.560 for the characters. Lewis Sacker says, well, the character of 1:05:35.600 --> 1:05:39.520 Stanley in the book is overweight, Shia is not, but 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:42.600 this wasn't integral to the story. The point was more 1:05:42.640 --> 1:05:46.440 that he felt like an outsider, but he could display vulnerability, 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:50.040 and Shia conveys the right amount of emotion and vulnerability 1:05:50.280 --> 1:05:55.200 and quirkiness, so the overweight thing wasn't important to that. 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:58.280 I say, did you read your own book? Lewis, Like, 1:05:58.640 --> 1:05:59.680 what are you talking about? 1:06:00.000 --> 1:06:04.280 As a misguided take, I would say I can pretty 1:06:04.360 --> 1:06:06.640 much bring any topic back to how much I dislike 1:06:06.720 --> 1:06:11.480 Leah Michelle. But of course, for me Funny Girl the adaptation, 1:06:11.800 --> 1:06:15.200 I thought that Beanie Feldstein was better casting because the 1:06:15.240 --> 1:06:19.200 whole thing about Funny Girl is that Fanny Brice is 1:06:19.200 --> 1:06:24.760 supposed to be not conventionally attractive. And while Leah Michelle, 1:06:24.840 --> 1:06:29.840 because she is half Jewish, does have similar features to say, 1:06:29.840 --> 1:06:32.880 like barbar streisand in the original the way that that 1:06:33.040 --> 1:06:36.280 was written for twenty twenty forge or whatever year it was, 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:39.560 twenty twenty two, she's conventionally attractive. 1:06:39.600 --> 1:06:41.240 She's like a hot lady. 1:06:41.280 --> 1:06:44.960 Our beauty conventions have changed, but we still hate fat people. 1:06:45.880 --> 1:06:49.400 And I think that Beanie Feldstein's casting was far more 1:06:49.440 --> 1:06:52.880 in line with who Fanny's supposed to be as an outsider. 1:06:53.160 --> 1:06:55.560 So I think that on the one hand, Lewis is 1:06:55.640 --> 1:06:57.760 right in that what matters most is that he's an 1:06:57.800 --> 1:07:02.000 outsider who gains confidence. But we don't get that from 1:07:02.040 --> 1:07:04.640 Shia abuff In any way, Like they didn't write something 1:07:04.720 --> 1:07:06.400 in that made it happen, Like he didn't have a list, 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:09.640 he didn't have some sort of like physical disability or 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:12.920 something that like that would have helped with the holes. 1:07:13.000 --> 1:07:16.160 But you know what I mean, Yeah, or even if 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:19.640 it's just like he has a lack of confidence for 1:07:19.840 --> 1:07:22.520 a reason that has nothing to do with his appearance 1:07:22.680 --> 1:07:25.240 or ability or anything like that, and it's just that 1:07:25.240 --> 1:07:28.240 it wasn't replaced with anything. Yeah, Yeah, So that's just 1:07:28.320 --> 1:07:32.720 that whole part of his character is erased. And maybe 1:07:32.800 --> 1:07:36.560 Lewis Sachar is saying something like, well, you know, Stanley's 1:07:36.560 --> 1:07:40.080 fatness does not define him as a character, which is true, 1:07:40.440 --> 1:07:42.720 but it doesn't sound like that's what he's saying. He's 1:07:42.720 --> 1:07:44.520 just sort of like, I need to make an excuse 1:07:44.680 --> 1:07:46.920 for why we didn't cast a actor. 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:50.959 Yeah, it feels like a very like hollywoody thing, which 1:07:51.440 --> 1:07:54.320 to at least to Lewis Skar, I'm sure that Lewis 1:07:54.360 --> 1:07:58.520 Akar is not the one making the final casting decisions, no, right, 1:07:58.640 --> 1:07:59.960 I know that he. I think he was a pretty 1:08:00.120 --> 1:08:02.000 around the movie. I think that that is like a 1:08:02.040 --> 1:08:06.760 better suited question for the director than which the writer. 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:10.080 Which the director answers a question, a follow up question, 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:14.760 which was didn't you consider a fat suit, and director 1:08:14.840 --> 1:08:18.519 Andrew Davis says, yes, we did, but in the book 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:21.960 he loses weight as the story evolves and as he 1:08:22.040 --> 1:08:25.120 digs the holes, et cetera. And we shot the movie 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:27.840 out of continuity, so that wouldn't have worked. 1:08:28.120 --> 1:08:29.120 That's the reason. 1:08:29.640 --> 1:08:31.600 Yeah, youre right, And I think that was like I 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:33.880 remember that also being a reason that they gave for 1:08:34.439 --> 1:08:38.360 not casting a fat actor to begin with, because it's like, well, 1:08:38.400 --> 1:08:40.840 movies are shot out of chronological order. So if a 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:44.479 character is losing weight progressively, but the movie is shot 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:46.760 out of order, then how how do we manage that? 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:49.200 It's all very two thousand and three. I mean, I 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:52.560 will say that, like not to give this movie a pass, 1:08:52.640 --> 1:08:57.360 but that this feels very thoroughly in step with how 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:59.960 fatness was treated in movies at this time. 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:02.719 For sure, shallow how oh yeah. 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:05.519 Right, like this like the same couple of years God, 1:09:05.880 --> 1:09:07.839 I still have managed to never see Shallow. 1:09:07.880 --> 1:09:09.880 How oh, I won't see that movie because I love 1:09:09.920 --> 1:09:10.720 myself too much. 1:09:12.479 --> 1:09:14.040 That's one of those movies where it's like, I know 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:15.720 we'd have a lot to talk about, but I don't 1:09:15.760 --> 1:09:18.640 want to subject to anyone to have it to watch it, 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:19.920 including myself. 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:22.800 Fair it's horrid. I have seen it, and. 1:09:23.000 --> 1:09:26.000 It's like been free on YouTube for a thousand years 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:29.720 because no one would watch it on purpose. But in 1:09:29.760 --> 1:09:33.040 any case, yes, I wasn't aware that they had been 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:35.040 asked about it directly. 1:09:35.960 --> 1:09:38.160 And then the other thing is that there is a 1:09:38.200 --> 1:09:42.439 fat character in the movie Armpit laid by Byron Cotton 1:09:42.920 --> 1:09:46.080 ar MPI to the t well, yes, of course. 1:09:46.160 --> 1:09:47.679 Is that you're smelling dog? 1:09:47.840 --> 1:09:49.720 That's me okay, Well, that's the thing. 1:09:49.760 --> 1:09:51.320 That was a lyric. That was lyric. 1:09:51.479 --> 1:09:54.080 The main thing we know about him is that he 1:09:54.720 --> 1:09:58.160 has body odor. He doesn't. He's implied to not have 1:09:58.280 --> 1:10:01.960 very good hygiene. Every and teases him about this. And 1:10:02.040 --> 1:10:04.000 also the movie goes out of its way to show 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:07.839 at least once to show him struggling with a physical 1:10:07.880 --> 1:10:08.760 task of some kind. 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:09.080 Yeah. 1:10:09.080 --> 1:10:13.160 So basically the only fat character on screen is attached 1:10:13.200 --> 1:10:19.559 to all these very harmful reductive tropes. Yeah, associated with fatness. 1:10:19.080 --> 1:10:21.000 So which sucks for a lot of reasons. I mean 1:10:21.760 --> 1:10:23.840 the actor, because I don't think I don't a lot 1:10:23.880 --> 1:10:27.120 of these kids didn't go on to perform at least 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:30.080 in movies very much. But Byron Cotton is so good, 1:10:30.280 --> 1:10:34.040 he's so charming, and also like it also just doesn't 1:10:34.160 --> 1:10:36.880 it's so clearly fat phobic because you got to think, 1:10:36.920 --> 1:10:40.640 all these kids are stinky, They're not being taken care of, 1:10:41.080 --> 1:10:44.439 and it's not their fault, Like they all share a 1:10:44.439 --> 1:10:47.680 single shower stall like there, of course, hygiene is poor 1:10:47.760 --> 1:10:49.160 and they only get like four. 1:10:49.000 --> 1:10:50.920 Minute shower tokens or something. 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:55.240 Yeah, and add that to the average hygiene habits of 1:10:55.760 --> 1:10:59.439 a young boy in the best circumstances, like, yeah, all 1:10:59.479 --> 1:11:00.920 these kids are stinky. 1:11:01.600 --> 1:11:04.519 Yeah, and they're wearing the same work clothes three days 1:11:04.520 --> 1:11:05.880 in a row. 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:06.559 Right. 1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:08.600 I did want to talk a little bit about the 1:11:08.720 --> 1:11:14.840 production of this movie, because there is child Okay, one 1:11:14.880 --> 1:11:17.800 of the hills that I love to die on day 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:22.479 in and day out is child labor laws, and there's 1:11:23.120 --> 1:11:26.439 I think that this movie technically followed child labor laws, 1:11:26.479 --> 1:11:28.720 but to me, say that child labor laws are not 1:11:28.800 --> 1:11:31.559 restrictive enough because they I mean, obviously the kids have 1:11:31.600 --> 1:11:33.280 to go to school all this stuff, But they were 1:11:33.320 --> 1:11:36.360 literally in the middle of the desert in heat as 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:41.519 much as one hundred and fifteen degrees, shooting for ten weeks. 1:11:41.640 --> 1:11:43.640 And I have a couple of quotes from that. It 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:47.280 was a business insider oral history where they didn't speak 1:11:47.320 --> 1:11:50.080 to everybody, and you know there's certain like you know, 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.679 like I don't want to know what child a buff says. 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:56.960 He's not in it. But it's like Lewis Sakarr, the director, 1:11:57.040 --> 1:11:59.280 and then a couple of the cast members I think 1:11:59.280 --> 1:12:01.880 Tim Blake Nelson, and then a few of the boys, 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:09.720 including Miguel Castro who plays Magnet and my crush Cleo Thomas. 1:12:09.960 --> 1:12:11.040 Well I met once. 1:12:11.200 --> 1:12:13.040 Actually what is he nice? 1:12:13.200 --> 1:12:16.240 It was very nice. I was like, is he t zero? 1:12:18.120 --> 1:12:19.240 He was really sweet. 1:12:19.360 --> 1:12:22.599 I was on a show on Hulu called Reboot, and 1:12:22.800 --> 1:12:25.920 at the premiere of Reboot he was there and I 1:12:25.960 --> 1:12:27.880 was like, what are you doing here? 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:31.639 Also, you're great in Reboot. I was like I think 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:35.559 I like gasped and like messaged you immediately, like how 1:12:35.600 --> 1:12:37.639 could you not have told me? Actually? 1:12:37.960 --> 1:12:40.120 I actually had a really sweet interaction last night with 1:12:40.200 --> 1:12:44.280 somebody at like an actor mixer thing for my agency, 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:47.599 and this like younger actor at my agency. 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:49.960 She's like in her twenties. She's not like a child, 1:12:50.040 --> 1:12:52.240 but she came up here. She's like, I really loved 1:12:52.280 --> 1:12:53.800 you in reboot and you made me want to go 1:12:53.800 --> 1:12:57.479 to UCB. And I was just like, I'm literally gonna 1:12:57.520 --> 1:12:58.320 cry right now. 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:01.439 Thank you so much. I feels good about my career 1:13:02.640 --> 1:13:04.120 and that made me feel so much better. 1:13:04.560 --> 1:13:06.720 Like moments like that find you when you need it. 1:13:06.760 --> 1:13:07.559 That's really yes. 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:10.760 But yeah, Cleo was very nice. 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:14.120 He introduces something like I know you're I know I'm 1:13:14.120 --> 1:13:14.599 aware of. 1:13:14.760 --> 1:13:17.360 I know the classes, but I would lose it. 1:13:17.400 --> 1:13:18.960 I would still still crushworthy. 1:13:19.000 --> 1:13:22.200 I would say yeah, I followed it. I followed him 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:24.160 on Instagram today. I was like, he still got it. 1:13:24.920 --> 1:13:27.160 I was gonna say slides DMS and I remembered, like 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:29.479 a fully engaged with adults. 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:30.320 He would get it. 1:13:30.320 --> 1:13:33.479 This Cleo Thomas has been promoted to my Hall Pass. 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:39.280 But so this is a quote from Miguel Castro, who 1:13:39.439 --> 1:13:43.320 also talks about how like the casting process and how 1:13:43.360 --> 1:13:46.320 they really did. I mean, I think that being unwilling 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:49.400 to cast a fat actor of Stanley is the standout 1:13:49.640 --> 1:13:51.640 bad thing that they did, because it seems like they 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:56.880 tried to really find young actors who like fit the role, 1:13:57.040 --> 1:14:00.720 and also that the movie was not being aggressive whitewashed 1:14:00.760 --> 1:14:02.439 in a way that I would not put past two 1:14:02.479 --> 1:14:06.679 thousand and three. I do think ultimately centering a story 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:09.559 about the school to prison pipeline around a white character 1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:12.519 as a little suss but we'll get there. But just 1:14:12.720 --> 1:14:17.120 in terms of the production, Mila Castro said, he's also 1:14:17.200 --> 1:14:18.960 very funny, but he said, I remember one day was 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:21.559 one hundred and nineteen degrees. I thought they were going 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:23.519 to cancel the filming, but we all agreed to knock 1:14:23.520 --> 1:14:27.439 it out. I was hallucinating and I started seeing water 1:14:27.840 --> 1:14:30.920 a swimming pool. The production team gave us thermometers to 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:33.519 check the temperature of our holes. If the holes hit 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:36.519 over one hundred and twenty five degrees, we had to 1:14:36.560 --> 1:14:39.520 get out of there. That day, some of our thermometers 1:14:39.520 --> 1:14:43.679 broke one thirty And it's like, you can't make kids 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:47.200 do that. You can't make kids, they just said. And 1:14:47.240 --> 1:14:50.360 they had to do like a boot camp, basically re 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:52.920 enacting the movie holes so that they would be able 1:14:52.960 --> 1:14:54.479 to do it on the production, so it ended up 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:57.880 being like three to four months of them sort of 1:14:58.040 --> 1:15:01.360 just having to go methad, which is like, do that 1:15:01.400 --> 1:15:04.320 if you want as an adult, Like I just you 1:15:04.360 --> 1:15:07.719 can't make kids go method at a prison camp. 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:11.000 Like that's we all agreed is bad. 1:15:12.400 --> 1:15:13.479 Yeah, it's. 1:15:14.880 --> 1:15:18.719 It's giving Mikey Madison saying that she and Sean Baker 1:15:18.760 --> 1:15:22.120 decided together not to have an intimacy coordinator, and I'm like, 1:15:22.560 --> 1:15:25.200 I don't think that that's your call as a no. 1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:26.840 I think it's your call as a yes, but it 1:15:26.880 --> 1:15:29.040 can't be your call as a no. That's like not 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:33.200 having a stunt coordinator. Like even Tom Cruise, as dedicated 1:15:33.240 --> 1:15:37.519 as he is to doing these outrageous stunts, has a 1:15:37.560 --> 1:15:39.200 stunt coordinator. 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:43.320 Right right, Yeah, it feels like adults knowing that they 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:46.519 have power over children and being like, no, we got 1:15:46.520 --> 1:15:49.040 to keep going. The show must go on, let's go, 1:15:49.200 --> 1:15:49.880 let's go kids. 1:15:49.960 --> 1:15:51.960 Don't you want to make the movie? Don't you want 1:15:51.960 --> 1:15:54.360 all of your friends to watch this cool movie? 1:15:54.800 --> 1:15:55.000 Right? 1:15:55.560 --> 1:15:59.040 It's just I don't know, I don't understand like production risk, 1:15:59.400 --> 1:16:02.160 Like even if you were heartless and you don't care 1:16:02.240 --> 1:16:04.840 about putting a child in a one hundred and thirty 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:08.720 degree whole like that production insurance. I don't know. I 1:16:08.760 --> 1:16:11.360 was just I was curious. I was like, I wonder 1:16:11.400 --> 1:16:13.439 how they kept the whole school. The answer they didn't. 1:16:13.560 --> 1:16:16.760 They didn't, so that is unfortunate. What I will say 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:20.000 that is positive about the production, just something that I 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:23.439 admire is that Andrew Davis, the director, who mostly had 1:16:23.439 --> 1:16:27.599 done action movies up to this point, was really set 1:16:27.800 --> 1:16:32.760 on keeping the story basically not dumbing the story down 1:16:32.800 --> 1:16:36.479 for kids, and that Disney, after I think a few 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:39.559 initial like are you sure you want to include A, 1:16:39.680 --> 1:16:41.840 B and C, he was like, no, I will not 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:45.360 make the movie if you keep bugging me, and really 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:49.360 pushed to have Lewis Karr write the screenplay and basically, 1:16:49.760 --> 1:16:53.360 along with a producer, taught Lewis Decarr how to write 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:56.840 a screenplay so that they could preserve the integrity of 1:16:57.160 --> 1:17:00.479 the story. And I don't know, just like I knew, 1:17:00.520 --> 1:17:03.080 you know, Crame, you're a writer. Like it's just like that. 1:17:03.160 --> 1:17:04.960 I don't know how they pulled it off, and I'm 1:17:05.000 --> 1:17:06.160 so glad that they did well. 1:17:06.200 --> 1:17:08.280 I feel like he has a really strong understanding of 1:17:08.360 --> 1:17:11.439 story to begin with, So I feel like it was 1:17:11.479 --> 1:17:13.080 like he was at the water. 1:17:13.240 --> 1:17:14.920 They just had to show him how to drink, you 1:17:14.960 --> 1:17:15.479 know what I mean? 1:17:15.760 --> 1:17:17.880 Right, yeah, yeah, And that's what they were sort of like. 1:17:17.880 --> 1:17:19.760 They were like, he's a great writer, he just needs 1:17:19.800 --> 1:17:24.960 to understand the format. And I guess throughout production, like Lewis, 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:26.680 the Carr had a lot of input and if he 1:17:26.720 --> 1:17:31.040 wanted something changed or adjusted like Andrew Davis, had no questions. 1:17:31.160 --> 1:17:34.160 I was like, wow, no one respects writers. That's cool. Yeah, 1:17:34.200 --> 1:17:37.240 that's right. That was my takeaway. 1:17:37.240 --> 1:17:38.519 He's also in the movie. 1:17:39.160 --> 1:17:41.960 Yeah, mister bold, Oh that's him. 1:17:42.240 --> 1:17:43.759 Yeah, cute. 1:17:44.920 --> 1:17:45.280 Sweet. 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:47.880 I wish they had shown him with like a bust 1:17:47.920 --> 1:17:48.760 down wig. 1:17:48.560 --> 1:17:53.679 Later because the onion juice it worked. The onion juice 1:17:53.720 --> 1:17:54.960 cured his boldness. 1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:57.640 I just want to know if it works. It's like 1:17:57.640 --> 1:17:58.960 a Sweet Todd situation. 1:17:59.360 --> 1:18:03.880 Mister No, I think Sam's onion remedies worked one hundred percent. 1:18:05.000 --> 1:18:09.160 You would have loved Arawan, Oh my god, Oh he 1:18:09.200 --> 1:18:09.559 would have. 1:18:09.840 --> 1:18:13.560 He would have been making billions at the Ariwuan. 1:18:13.920 --> 1:18:14.240 Wow. 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:16.920 Yeah. I love cameos like that. And not to keep 1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:18.840 going back to series of unfortunate events, but it is 1:18:18.880 --> 1:18:22.320 my favorite. And that is a terribly adapted movie that 1:18:22.400 --> 1:18:25.559 the author was very upset about. So it's just like 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:29.439 there's so many examples of you know, heavily sanitized, Like 1:18:29.479 --> 1:18:32.000 all the dark themes in that movie are basically played 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:35.320 for comedy instead of because the you know, Nickel I 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:37.519 think it was Nickelodeon productions in that case were like, 1:18:37.800 --> 1:18:39.640 it's too scary for kids, they won't be able to 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:43.000 handle it. And that's how you get Jim Carrey count 1:18:43.040 --> 1:18:43.519 all off. 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:47.480 I met the boy from that movie. 1:18:47.720 --> 1:18:49.920 I didn't know it was him. I just happened to 1:18:49.960 --> 1:18:50.760 be sitting. 1:18:50.520 --> 1:18:51.759 All my childhood crushes. 1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:53.720 I just happened to be sitting next to him. We're 1:18:53.880 --> 1:18:57.320 instagram like mutuals now. I happen to be sitting next 1:18:57.320 --> 1:18:59.200 to him. Last summer when I went to New York 1:18:59.240 --> 1:19:01.720 City and I decided to use my free will and 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:04.080 my adult money to go see Cats. 1:19:03.800 --> 1:19:05.880 The Jellicle Ball, and he was there. 1:19:06.240 --> 1:19:08.679 And he was there in the front row, right next 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:08.920 to me. 1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:11.160 Oh my god. 1:19:10.760 --> 1:19:12.920 He had a friend who was in it. He had 1:19:12.960 --> 1:19:16.080 never seen Cats before. I had seen Cats before. 1:19:16.600 --> 1:19:17.000 Of course. 1:19:17.200 --> 1:19:19.240 I will just say I think the Cat's the Jellical 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:24.040 Ball was actually genius and a really amazing production because 1:19:24.040 --> 1:19:27.640 they used ballroom culture and I was like, oh, this 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:29.800 is this is actually the only way this show makes sense. 1:19:30.080 --> 1:19:32.760 That is actually a great adjustment. 1:19:33.240 --> 1:19:36.719 Yeah. So it's like Paris is burning bust cats. 1:19:37.040 --> 1:19:38.280 Yes it's gay cats. 1:19:38.640 --> 1:19:40.160 I'm in that's so good. 1:19:40.479 --> 1:19:45.879 Yeah. Liam Aiken, Yes he's sucking and like, I'm a yapper, 1:19:46.040 --> 1:19:48.880 so I'll talk to anybody that's unfortunately sitting next to me. 1:19:48.960 --> 1:19:51.400 And he was such a trooper about it, and I 1:19:51.520 --> 1:19:53.479 was like, Oh, your friend's in it. Who is your 1:19:53.479 --> 1:19:56.360 friend playing? And he was like, oh, she's Skimbleshanks And 1:19:56.400 --> 1:19:58.040 I was like the railway can. 1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:02.160 The best Cat's god best number. 1:20:02.280 --> 1:20:05.080 I was like, that's a good cat, you've. 1:20:04.960 --> 1:20:06.080 Good taste and friends. 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:09.160 I can't believe you're hang out with Skimbleshanks. Oh my god. 1:20:09.680 --> 1:20:13.880 Yet another like Horny Child's thing on my wall. I 1:20:13.920 --> 1:20:20.240 had like achin for Liam, that's so funny. Wow, I'm 1:20:20.240 --> 1:20:22.719 glad that he's And he did turn into my dream 1:20:22.760 --> 1:20:25.800 adult in that he was friend row at the Jelicable 1:20:26.160 --> 1:20:27.839 and like I never. 1:20:28.080 --> 1:20:29.679 It never it came up that he was an actor 1:20:29.720 --> 1:20:31.640 because we were just talking and I was like, oh, 1:20:31.640 --> 1:20:33.040 I'm an actor too, and blah, blah blah. And I 1:20:33.080 --> 1:20:35.479 didn't know until I like looked him up after he 1:20:35.520 --> 1:20:37.120 walked me into the subway because I was like, I 1:20:37.120 --> 1:20:40.200 don't know where I'm going, And I looked him up 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:41.200 to see if his star meter. 1:20:41.200 --> 1:20:41.960 Was better than mine. 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:45.400 It was, and I was like, oh, snap, this is 1:20:45.400 --> 1:20:47.800 the guy from Stepmom, one of my favorite movies of 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:48.519 all time. 1:20:48.640 --> 1:20:49.600 Oh yeah. 1:20:49.640 --> 1:20:50.840 And then I was like, oh, I had a series 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:52.760 of unfortunate events a movie that I did not care. 1:20:52.680 --> 1:20:56.280 About, but Stepmom, good for him, Good for him. 1:20:56.880 --> 1:20:59.160 Have you guys done? Stepmom? Sorry, we should talk about 1:20:59.160 --> 1:20:59.519 the movie. 1:20:59.600 --> 1:21:02.240 No, we haven't, but it's on our list. 1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:04.559 I think would be down. I've seen it because jennam 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:07.880 Alone is in it too, right, baby jenneral alone? Yeah, 1:21:08.720 --> 1:21:10.839 but well, I guess back, I guess. 1:21:11.880 --> 1:21:15.920 I mean speaking of a movie that you know, like 1:21:16.040 --> 1:21:22.400 doesn't sanitize the more serious themes, or at least not extensively. Yeah, 1:21:22.439 --> 1:21:27.360 this movie, it addresses a number of social issues such 1:21:27.400 --> 1:21:34.559 as race, class, incarceration in all of the storylines I 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:39.240 think that are intersecting. So there's these two main storylines 1:21:39.240 --> 1:21:42.960 from the past, one from the present. In one of them, 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:49.320 it's Stanley's Great, Great grandfather Elia Yellnetz. He is seeking 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:53.120 out the help of Madame Zaroni. In the book, Madame 1:21:53.200 --> 1:21:58.120 Zaroni is described as being a word that is used 1:21:58.479 --> 1:22:02.519 as a slur to describe Romani people. She's played by 1:22:02.520 --> 1:22:03.080 earth a kid. 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:06.760 Yeah, she's like believe Egyptian. In the book too, they 1:22:07.360 --> 1:22:10.560 explicitly say that she is an immigrant from Egypt. 1:22:10.400 --> 1:22:14.960 Right, and curious what your thoughts are. But I couldn't 1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:17.840 help but feel that there are hints of like the 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:22.320 magical Negro trope at play here, because she's presented as 1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:26.519 being this mystic type of person. She places a curse. 1:22:26.920 --> 1:22:30.280 I agree there's a little magical Negro happening, but I 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:33.439 don't mind it. And I don't know if I'm supposed 1:22:33.479 --> 1:22:37.080 to say that out loud, but I don't because also 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:39.840 I feel like it's a lot of the time, like 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:42.840 when curses are happening, it's like, oh man, we got 1:22:42.880 --> 1:22:46.479 cursed for no reason, and nobody at any point is like, 1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:48.720 oh man, we got cursed for no reason. They're like, my, 1:22:48.920 --> 1:22:53.360 no good, dirty rotten pigs stealing great great great grandfather. 1:22:53.760 --> 1:22:56.920 It's like this was a deserved curse. Everybody's mad at 1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:59.479 the great great grandfather for not doing what he promised 1:22:59.520 --> 1:23:02.120 he would do. And it's like, you got the help 1:23:02.160 --> 1:23:04.040 that you want, it you ended up not getting with 1:23:04.080 --> 1:23:05.880 the girl, and now your butt hurt and you're gonna 1:23:05.880 --> 1:23:08.640 go on a boat to America. You realize on the 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:10.760 boat to America, oh snap, I forgot to take the 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:12.760 old lady up the hill and you don't take a 1:23:12.800 --> 1:23:13.320 boat back. 1:23:13.439 --> 1:23:14.960 I would have been on the next boat. 1:23:14.720 --> 1:23:19.679 Back personally, right, I did. Yeah, that is I guess 1:23:19.800 --> 1:23:23.320 I hadn't registered that that. At very least. The family 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:26.120 is not like fuck, Madame Zeroni. They're like, he made 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:28.120 a deal and he didn't keep his end of it. 1:23:28.280 --> 1:23:30.719 Yeah, at no point where they're like, oh, Madam Zaroni 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:33.320 was the worst. They're like, yeah, no, that's that's fair. 1:23:34.800 --> 1:23:39.720 It's like a European white guy neglecting to pay a 1:23:39.720 --> 1:23:44.680 black woman for services rendered and he gets cursed about it, 1:23:44.720 --> 1:23:46.439 and it is fully deserved. 1:23:46.720 --> 1:23:49.519 And I also think that, you know, the the curse 1:23:49.640 --> 1:23:54.160 being broken because finally the services that were promised were 1:23:54.200 --> 1:23:58.639 rendered in a way with this new generation, it's it's 1:23:58.760 --> 1:24:01.800 very much speaking like the promise. I think that with 1:24:01.920 --> 1:24:06.120 them being explicitly black, even though it's like somewhat ambiguous in. 1:24:06.080 --> 1:24:08.799 The book, like if if she's Egyptian or if she's Romani. 1:24:09.439 --> 1:24:11.880 It's very much about like, oh, the promise is that 1:24:11.960 --> 1:24:15.800 America has made to black people and sort of like 1:24:15.880 --> 1:24:19.280 how those have been broken and there I think that 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:21.559 there is going to be a curse on this country 1:24:21.640 --> 1:24:26.840 until something happens to make it right. Whether it's reparations, 1:24:26.920 --> 1:24:29.880 whether it's something else, I don't know, And like I 1:24:29.920 --> 1:24:32.120 don't even think that I would be entitled to reparations 1:24:32.160 --> 1:24:34.640 because my parents are immigrants. Like I'm not saying it 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:37.880 for personal gain, and I'm saying it for justice reasons, 1:24:37.880 --> 1:24:41.080 but justice. Like the movie is very clear in teaching 1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:44.400 kids like hey, if you promise something to somebody and 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:47.080 then you don't do it, that's a bad thing. And 1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:49.960 then later we were all like, yeah, no, it makes 1:24:49.960 --> 1:24:52.160 sense that they're cursed. And then later it's like, oh, 1:24:52.280 --> 1:24:54.800 I'm going to make this right. And he didn't make 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:59.040 it right to do things better, Like he didn't make 1:24:59.080 --> 1:25:00.800 it right because he's like, oh, this lift the curse. 1:25:01.080 --> 1:25:04.519 It was completely selfless. His friend was hurt and he 1:25:04.640 --> 1:25:07.400 wanted to make him better totally, and like when you 1:25:07.439 --> 1:25:10.040 do the right thing for the right reason. Good things 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:13.800 happen to you in movieland unfortunately not always in real life. 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:17.320 But I think that more people tried it, we'd find 1:25:17.360 --> 1:25:18.880 out in real life. 1:25:19.040 --> 1:25:22.880 Right yeah, right, So yeah, that's that storyline. And then 1:25:22.920 --> 1:25:28.320 it also intersects heavily with the Stanley Hector Zerny storyline 1:25:28.400 --> 1:25:32.920 in the present. And then the third storyline is the 1:25:33.479 --> 1:25:39.640 Miss Catherine aka kissing Kate Marlowe and Sam in I 1:25:39.640 --> 1:25:42.280 think it's like turn of the century, like late eighteen hundreds, 1:25:42.320 --> 1:25:47.920 early nineteen hundreds. Again, it's Jim Crow era Texas. She 1:25:48.200 --> 1:25:50.080 is a white woman, he is a black man. They 1:25:50.120 --> 1:25:53.800 fall in love. They kiss during an era when that 1:25:54.080 --> 1:25:58.360 was illegal in Texas and in many other states in 1:25:58.400 --> 1:26:03.840 the US. They are seen this racist mob forms. All 1:26:03.880 --> 1:26:08.880 this violence is inflicted. They murder Sam. The sheriff does 1:26:08.880 --> 1:26:11.680 nothing to stop them. In all likelihood, the sheriff was 1:26:11.720 --> 1:26:15.840 a clan member. And then this leads to you know, 1:26:15.960 --> 1:26:21.080 Catherine ak Kate becoming an outlaw getting revenge. She kills 1:26:21.080 --> 1:26:23.439 the sheriff. It makes you wonder why she doesn't kill 1:26:23.680 --> 1:26:27.120 trout Walker also, but I guess it's because the story 1:26:27.160 --> 1:26:29.920 needs him to live long enough to produce offspring, so 1:26:29.960 --> 1:26:34.559 that the warden can be a character since trout Walker's 1:26:34.720 --> 1:26:35.800 her grandfather. 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:40.240 Right. Also, I think that there's sometimes there's power in 1:26:40.560 --> 1:26:41.599 letting someone suffer. 1:26:42.040 --> 1:26:44.439 Oh true, because he by the end of his life 1:26:44.439 --> 1:26:45.760 he is miserable. 1:26:45.960 --> 1:26:46.879 Yeah, he's obsessed. 1:26:46.920 --> 1:26:50.240 He's a man completely possessed by the idea of finding 1:26:50.280 --> 1:26:54.639 this treasure where he's torturing his granddaughter, right, so built 1:26:54.680 --> 1:26:57.559 to dig these holes and she's you know the TikTok 1:26:57.680 --> 1:26:59.920 sounds that has spawned a million video. 1:27:00.400 --> 1:27:06.720 I'm tired of this grandpa it is. 1:27:06.800 --> 1:27:11.000 I thought that, like that was an interesting Again, like 1:27:11.040 --> 1:27:14.479 this movie is good at like providing context for the 1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:20.200 villains without overly empathizing with them, because what she does 1:27:20.360 --> 1:27:24.880 to deal with the uh trauma of the holes is 1:27:24.920 --> 1:27:28.680 that she becomes like a prison warden and opens a 1:27:28.720 --> 1:27:33.880 prison and outsources the labor to disenfranchised children. So it's 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:36.400 not like it's an excuse for anything that she's doing. 1:27:36.400 --> 1:27:39.000 But I like little beats like that, I feel like 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:41.320 are sort of what elevates this movie a lot if 1:27:42.000 --> 1:27:44.479 because I think that's like helpful for kids to have 1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:49.360 context but not excuses for how you know, oppressors become 1:27:49.400 --> 1:27:51.120 oppressors when it speaks. 1:27:50.800 --> 1:27:53.439 To the way that white women will pass on the 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:57.719 violence enacted upon them by white men to black people, 1:27:58.280 --> 1:28:01.880 because you know, not everybody is black in the camp, 1:28:01.920 --> 1:28:03.800 but they do make it a point to have if 1:28:03.800 --> 1:28:06.440 you're a number of black kids, because that is unfortunately 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:09.240 who is getting these harsher punishments. And even if you 1:28:09.240 --> 1:28:14.280 think about Hector and Stanley, Stanley is getting this punishment 1:28:14.320 --> 1:28:18.280 because he stole from allegedly stole shoes from a homeless 1:28:18.280 --> 1:28:21.160 shelter and they were like this famous guy's shoes, and 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:24.960 this crime was like more egregious in that way. Hector 1:28:25.240 --> 1:28:27.960 got nabbed for stealing shoes from Paylass. 1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:30.760 Right, shoes that probably cost twenty dollars kind of thing, 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:32.240 not even. 1:28:31.960 --> 1:28:35.559 In three pay less shoes fifteen at most. 1:28:35.439 --> 1:28:36.120 Right right? 1:28:36.280 --> 1:28:40.519 I miss pay Less every day rip rip to a 1:28:40.560 --> 1:28:41.080 real story. 1:28:41.120 --> 1:28:43.479 The payless where I used to buy my Easter shoes 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:45.280 is now an axe throwing place. 1:28:45.760 --> 1:28:50.880 Oh my god. So it's like gentrification on gentrification. I 1:28:50.920 --> 1:28:53.080 thought it was interesting that Pala's got shouted out by name. 1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:54.120 I'm like, did they pay for that? 1:28:54.200 --> 1:28:59.840 I don't know, they shoes worth stealing? Paylas there is. 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:02.559 I mean, I guess I'm curious what you both think 1:29:02.600 --> 1:29:06.120 of this, Like Camp Greenlake is a diverse but I 1:29:06.120 --> 1:29:09.400 would say mostly non white body of people, which I 1:29:09.439 --> 1:29:11.920 think makes a lot of sense if you look at 1:29:12.320 --> 1:29:17.160 prisons unfortunately, especially the school to prison and Pipeline. I 1:29:17.240 --> 1:29:22.360 do feel like, while I do love Stanley Yelnatz, centering 1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:27.720 this story on a white character does not to say 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:29.800 that this does not happen to white kids, but it 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:35.880 happens disproportionately less. And so while I think you can 1:29:35.960 --> 1:29:39.800 make the argument that Zero is a dual protagonist by 1:29:39.800 --> 1:29:42.280 the end of the movie, but he's not at the beginning, 1:29:42.400 --> 1:29:46.400 and so I don't know. I don't know, it's a pick. 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:49.439 And then there's all of these kids that you get 1:29:49.479 --> 1:29:52.120 a little bit of their story. I don't know. I 1:29:52.160 --> 1:29:53.800 think you get a little more in the book, which 1:29:53.800 --> 1:29:57.000 is kind of to be expected, but you get like 1:29:57.040 --> 1:29:59.200 you don't really know why most of the kids have 1:29:59.240 --> 1:30:02.599 been put there. It was a really They do add 1:30:02.800 --> 1:30:05.839 that Magnet is there because he was trying to literally 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:09.960 free a dog from a breeder, which is great practice. 1:30:10.080 --> 1:30:13.840 Shout out Magnet, and that there is I think it's 1:30:13.960 --> 1:30:17.599 zig Zag maybe is there because he has mental health 1:30:17.640 --> 1:30:20.800 issues that are not being treated, and which is you know, 1:30:20.840 --> 1:30:23.160 another thing you see all the time is someone with 1:30:23.240 --> 1:30:26.200 a mental health crisis being sent to prison instead of 1:30:26.880 --> 1:30:30.320 being given help. And so like you are given. I 1:30:30.320 --> 1:30:35.360 think kind of a sampler platter for lack of a 1:30:35.400 --> 1:30:38.720 better descriptor. But I do wish that we got a 1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:42.599 little more than one line for a lot of characters, 1:30:42.640 --> 1:30:44.519 because I don't know. I mean, do we know why 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:46.920 Armpit is there? Do we know? I experalized there? Like 1:30:46.920 --> 1:30:50.639 we get, some characters get the context. Authors don't. 1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:52.200 Yeah, I don't think we know. 1:30:52.920 --> 1:30:55.320 This doesn't provide any more context in that regard, but 1:30:55.479 --> 1:31:01.320 I will share a quick paragraph from the book. Quote 1:31:01.720 --> 1:31:06.880 Stanley was thankful that there were no racial problems. X Ray, 1:31:07.160 --> 1:31:11.920 Armpit and Zero were black, he Squid and Zigzag were white. 1:31:12.520 --> 1:31:16.040 Magnet was hispanic. On the lake, they were all the 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:21.120 same reddish brown color, the color of dirt. Unquote. So 1:31:21.200 --> 1:31:24.479 that's pretty much the only thing the book has to 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:29.439 say about any racial or racialized dynamics. 1:31:29.160 --> 1:31:31.000 In that timeline, at least because. 1:31:32.160 --> 1:31:38.000 Yea, and I couldn't help think about another movie as 1:31:38.040 --> 1:31:41.679 I was rewatching holes, which is the movie Nickel Boys 1:31:42.680 --> 1:31:46.759 that I saw recently, so as far as a book 1:31:46.800 --> 1:31:51.440 slash movie about young men or teen boys being incarcerated 1:31:51.479 --> 1:31:56.120 and sent to a work camp. There is a version 1:31:56.160 --> 1:32:01.160 of this story that is written and made by white people, 1:32:01.400 --> 1:32:05.200 a la Holes. And then compare that to a version 1:32:05.240 --> 1:32:08.640 of this story that was written by black people, a 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:13.360 la Nickel Boys, which is a novel from twenty nineteen 1:32:13.560 --> 1:32:16.920 by Coulson Whitehead adapted to a twenty twenty four film 1:32:16.960 --> 1:32:21.160 written and directed by Ramel Ross. Very different movies obviously, 1:32:21.600 --> 1:32:23.320 Where Nickel Boys. I don't know if either of you 1:32:23.400 --> 1:32:28.960 have seen it, but yeah, Nickel Boys is totally much heavier. 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:32.120 It does a lot more to shed light on the 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:40.160 horrors of the racism, exploitation, violence, abuse present in a 1:32:40.400 --> 1:32:46.240 detention facility like this versus Holes, which acknowledges these things 1:32:46.280 --> 1:32:50.599 to some degree, but it's center's whiteness. It's framed more 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:55.439 as this like almost a fun adventure, folk tale type 1:32:55.439 --> 1:33:01.000 of story that is largely about a white boy, kind 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:04.200 of like his redemption arc of like, oh I have 1:33:04.280 --> 1:33:06.880 to carry as a rony up a mountain kind of thing. 1:33:07.439 --> 1:33:09.680 So I just think it's interesting to kind of note 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:15.040 the differences between two similar premises written by two very 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:19.080 different perspectives, and how they kind of manifest at different times. 1:33:19.160 --> 1:33:23.360 To sure for sure, Yeah, I think that sometimes the 1:33:23.520 --> 1:33:26.320 messenger matters as much as the message. 1:33:26.920 --> 1:33:30.080 And I do think that in two thousand and three, 1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:34.880 for a kids movie to send this message, I think 1:33:34.920 --> 1:33:36.920 you need to see this happen to a white kid 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:39.719 who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, 1:33:40.680 --> 1:33:42.760 because when black kids are in the wrong place at 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:44.439 the wrong time, people are like, well, what were they 1:33:44.479 --> 1:33:47.200 doing there, Why weren't they there at the right time, 1:33:47.560 --> 1:33:48.960 Why weren't they in a different place? 1:33:49.479 --> 1:33:51.440 And I think. 1:33:51.200 --> 1:33:55.960 That it's kind of similar for me to my favorite 1:33:56.000 --> 1:34:01.000 movie about racism, Pleasantville. Yeah, it is a movie about 1:34:01.040 --> 1:34:03.720 racism with not nary a single person. 1:34:05.520 --> 1:34:08.280 Yes, however, wild that they. 1:34:08.200 --> 1:34:10.439 Did that, but like wild that they did it and 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:11.160 did it well. 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:13.000 I think one of my favorite movies. 1:34:13.120 --> 1:34:13.880 It's a great movie. 1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:16.240 It's a really good movie. And I think that there 1:34:16.240 --> 1:34:22.639 are people who would not have gotten the message if 1:34:22.680 --> 1:34:24.880 it were a straight and maybe wouldn't even have watched 1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:28.000 the movie if it were straight up, Like, hey, this 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:32.360 is about segregation in the nineteen fifties, which is what 1:34:32.520 --> 1:34:32.920 it is. 1:34:33.400 --> 1:34:35.919 It is a movie about segregation in the nineteen fifties, 1:34:35.960 --> 1:34:42.160 but the colored people are literally in technicolor. Yeah, and 1:34:42.520 --> 1:34:43.320 I love that, and. 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:45.400 I love that that was an idea that somebody had, 1:34:45.439 --> 1:34:48.439 And it's like, sometimes, what if this happened to white people? 1:34:49.240 --> 1:34:51.960 Is the way to get the message to people that 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.400 are like, hey, wait a minute, And it's like the 1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:57.439 last few lines of that poem, that's like, oh, and 1:34:57.479 --> 1:35:00.200 then they came for me and there's nobody to stand 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:01.439 up for me, And it's like, what if this were 1:35:01.520 --> 1:35:02.240 to happen to you? 1:35:02.240 --> 1:35:04.680 You need to think about if this happens to you. 1:35:04.760 --> 1:35:06.960 Not to say that all of the audiences are white, 1:35:07.439 --> 1:35:11.040 but in filmmaking, for better or for worse, white is 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:14.800 seen as the default and you can put any experience 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:18.320 on top of it. And I do think also there 1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:21.519 are things that are true about this story. I do 1:35:21.600 --> 1:35:25.799 think that even with the expensive lawyer, if it were Hector, 1:35:25.960 --> 1:35:27.840 or if it were another black kid, it would have 1:35:27.840 --> 1:35:31.360 taken longer than literally a day after hiring a lawyer 1:35:31.400 --> 1:35:31.920 to get. 1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:32.439 Him out of there. 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:33.759 Definitely, no matter. 1:35:33.600 --> 1:35:35.680 How hard that lawyer was working, I feel like the 1:35:35.760 --> 1:35:38.519 judge would be like, no, I'm not overturning this. I 1:35:38.560 --> 1:35:41.559 don't care, he's already there. The holes are good for 1:35:41.680 --> 1:35:44.519 character whatever, do you know what I mean? Because like, 1:35:44.640 --> 1:35:47.200 while I was watching, when they said this into eighteen months, 1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:50.479 I was like, that is six times as long as. 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:52.080 Rock Turner got ah. 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:56.840 Yep, Well, when you put it that way, it. 1:35:56.880 --> 1:35:59.600 Was an unreasonably long sentence, and I don't even know 1:35:59.600 --> 1:36:00.920 how long those other kids. 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:01.439 Are sentenced to. 1:36:01.680 --> 1:36:04.280 I was gonna say, I would be really curious what 1:36:04.320 --> 1:36:06.920 the other sentences looked like, because it didn't seem like 1:36:06.960 --> 1:36:10.000 that was a default sentence by any means. 1:36:10.000 --> 1:36:12.360 Right, and like x Ray had already been there for 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:12.880 six months. 1:36:12.920 --> 1:36:15.400 Also, x Ray's nickname is my favorite because it's because 1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:17.400 he's got the big glasses, but also his name. 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:21.799 Is Rex and like genius. 1:36:22.080 --> 1:36:28.400 Yeah, that is like peak kid brilliance. Yeah, I that's 1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:31.920 that's a good point, especially where like you're saying, in 1:36:32.040 --> 1:36:36.720 children's media often still, but like especially in the two thousands, 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:42.080 you know, you're taking the like default protagonist for for 1:36:42.120 --> 1:36:45.439 a movie like this and making the worst possible thing 1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:48.800 happen and demonstrating that it was through no fault of 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:50.439 his own. And then it's sort of I don't think 1:36:50.479 --> 1:36:53.040 this is like intentionally done. I would guess more that 1:36:53.120 --> 1:36:56.920 this is just a Lewis Karr self insert to begin. Yeah, 1:36:56.920 --> 1:36:59.640 I'm not totally sure, but you know the director and 1:36:59.680 --> 1:37:02.799 the writer if if you don't know, they're both white. 1:37:03.040 --> 1:37:06.759 But yeah, that it's almost like by seeing that happen 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:10.920 to Shilah buff it creates this runway to understand that 1:37:11.000 --> 1:37:14.519 this is happening to every single kid in this place, 1:37:14.560 --> 1:37:17.479 and I think, like what you lose there? That I 1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:18.880 don't want to come down too hard in this movie 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:21.200 because it's doing so much I have literally never seen 1:37:21.240 --> 1:37:25.280 in kids movies. True, but that it doesn't bring up 1:37:25.720 --> 1:37:29.200 the fact that the black kids at this camp would 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:32.439 have a far worse time, and that I guess the 1:37:32.439 --> 1:37:37.080 closest you get to understanding that is through Zero. But Zero, 1:37:37.360 --> 1:37:41.719 I mean has compounded issues. I think that the movie 1:37:41.760 --> 1:37:44.040 sort of makes it out to be more that he's 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:47.120 unhoused an award of the state and therefore they don't 1:37:47.120 --> 1:37:51.400 have to care about him and they don't really touch race, 1:37:52.080 --> 1:37:56.479 which is bizarre because this movie is willing to discuss racism. 1:37:56.560 --> 1:38:00.680 That's literally the whole Sam and Kate story. But I 1:38:00.680 --> 1:38:01.240 think it's. 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:04.400 Very much a Colorblind two thousand. It's like, Wow, racism used. 1:38:04.240 --> 1:38:05.040 To be so bad. 1:38:06.280 --> 1:38:08.200 Now any kid can go to jail. 1:38:10.960 --> 1:38:13.000 I will say, just because we talked about kissing Cape 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:16.240 Barlowe and Sam, I'm really glad that they didn't hang him. 1:38:16.560 --> 1:38:18.120 I know that they said they were going to hang him, 1:38:18.120 --> 1:38:20.599 which would have been I think more historically accurate, but 1:38:20.960 --> 1:38:22.519 I was so glad that they did not show him 1:38:22.520 --> 1:38:23.479 getting hanged, and that it. 1:38:23.520 --> 1:38:26.880 Was shown too, like, yeah, yeah, I think that that 1:38:26.920 --> 1:38:28.200 was handled very gracefully. 1:38:28.360 --> 1:38:31.360 And I think that not just for the kids, for 1:38:31.479 --> 1:38:34.640 me and my little heart, I couldn't have handled it. 1:38:34.920 --> 1:38:35.320 Yeah. 1:38:35.360 --> 1:38:37.400 And then the other thing I was gonna say was 1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:39.720 we were just talking about like the kids at the 1:38:39.760 --> 1:38:42.720 camp and at the beginning, at the very beginning of 1:38:42.760 --> 1:38:47.160 the cold Open, when barf Bag sacrifices himself to the snake, 1:38:48.479 --> 1:38:50.960 they are singing dig It at the beginning, and it 1:38:51.000 --> 1:38:53.840 feels like the song sixteen Tons to me, like there 1:38:53.880 --> 1:38:57.559 was a very similar vibe and it was sort of like, 1:38:58.160 --> 1:39:01.760 you know, same deal as like working and you're never 1:39:01.800 --> 1:39:04.479 going to get out of it, but they're also joking 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:08.439 around and like the background music is digg it. The 1:39:08.479 --> 1:39:11.120 kids are not singing diggt in universe, and the kids 1:39:11.160 --> 1:39:13.320 are joking around, and it really gives us a sense 1:39:13.360 --> 1:39:17.080 that they are kids, and every point it shows them 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:20.360 being kids and it's not like this sort of hardened 1:39:20.439 --> 1:39:23.559 criminal thing. Like the only kid that you really get 1:39:23.560 --> 1:39:26.679 that sense from is the kid who's like watching TV 1:39:27.120 --> 1:39:30.280 in the like mess hall or wherever, who gets into 1:39:30.280 --> 1:39:30.639 a fight. 1:39:30.920 --> 1:39:33.559 Yeah, and even with that, he's like a slightly older kid. 1:39:33.600 --> 1:39:36.040 It's he's visibly a little bit older and God only 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:38.599 does how long he's been there too that part. 1:39:39.200 --> 1:39:41.800 But yeah, I think that there's a norm of adultifying, 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:47.080 particularly incarcerated kids and especially black kids, where it's like, oh, 1:39:47.120 --> 1:39:50.560 they're not normal kids, they're criminals. And like some of 1:39:50.600 --> 1:39:53.760 the kids did do things that are crimes. Like I 1:39:53.760 --> 1:39:58.280 mean technically, you know, Magnet did a crime, although innocent. 1:39:58.400 --> 1:40:00.840 Let them go right, h M. 1:40:01.040 --> 1:40:01.840 The puppy, he. 1:40:01.920 --> 1:40:06.200 Literally saved a puppy from a horrific practice, like come. 1:40:06.040 --> 1:40:09.479 On, and like Twitch stole a car, but he's a 1:40:09.520 --> 1:40:10.240 little boy. 1:40:10.520 --> 1:40:13.160 Yeah, he's like I just want to go zoom and 1:40:13.200 --> 1:40:15.439 it's like, okay, well maybe we should take this kid 1:40:15.479 --> 1:40:15.960 go cart. 1:40:18.040 --> 1:40:21.439 There's so many like ethical solution, I mean, which is 1:40:21.600 --> 1:40:24.519 the story of incarceration. But it's just it's so and 1:40:24.600 --> 1:40:27.240 I love I do. I this was the first time 1:40:27.280 --> 1:40:30.360 I watching the movie that I really was like, I 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:35.240 guess paying closer attention to Pendance Key specifically. I think 1:40:35.280 --> 1:40:39.200 it's like such a well written character where he is 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:43.200 being presented as the nice guy, but over the course 1:40:43.240 --> 1:40:46.360 of the movie is so clear that he's not the 1:40:46.439 --> 1:40:49.799 nice guy. He is the he like tortures zero because 1:40:49.800 --> 1:40:52.400 he doesn't think that he will get in trouble for 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:55.600 not being kind to him, and he's right, and the 1:40:55.680 --> 1:40:59.200 whole you know government name thing he like explicitly ties 1:40:59.320 --> 1:41:03.439 your government to your like that's the name you will 1:41:03.479 --> 1:41:07.920 contribute to society under. So that's your name, and saying 1:41:07.960 --> 1:41:10.720 when he's when they're doing like group or whatever. And 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:14.480 that's where we find out about Magnet and his puppy 1:41:15.439 --> 1:41:19.160 is that you know, he is repeating these I think 1:41:19.400 --> 1:41:24.120 very like it's giving DNC to me, Like he is 1:41:24.240 --> 1:41:27.400 he is saying, like, no, what you did was a crime. 1:41:27.760 --> 1:41:30.599 It's against the law, and therefore it's bad. And it's 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:34.200 just like, you know, the place he works for doesn't 1:41:34.360 --> 1:41:38.200 work if you challenge an institution, and so he while 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:41.559 he is like I think that, like mister sir calls 1:41:41.560 --> 1:41:44.840 it like that, like touchy feely, fuzzy stuff, blah blah blah. Yeah, 1:41:44.840 --> 1:41:49.439 but all Pendansky does is pretend to care. Like we 1:41:49.520 --> 1:41:52.559 don't see him ever defend any of the kids. We 1:41:52.600 --> 1:41:56.080 don't see him protect them, Like he folds the second 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:59.519 that someone with more power than him asks him to 1:41:59.560 --> 1:42:00.160 do something. 1:42:00.640 --> 1:42:01.599 He's a coward. 1:42:02.040 --> 1:42:02.479 Yeah. 1:42:02.520 --> 1:42:07.639 And also just his response when like everybody's like, don't 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:12.920 teach Hector to read, which is wild, that's that arc 1:42:13.000 --> 1:42:15.639 I was like, whoa, hold on, hold on, why don't 1:42:15.640 --> 1:42:16.759 we want Hector to read? 1:42:17.400 --> 1:42:19.240 Like I get why you don't want him to dig 1:42:19.320 --> 1:42:19.799 the hole? 1:42:20.400 --> 1:42:25.720 But it's another great like it's so good. There's a 1:42:25.760 --> 1:42:29.880 really good video essay that I was rewatching by I 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:33.880 believe Yaharazade or I hope I'm saying her name right, 1:42:34.160 --> 1:42:37.439 Yaharazide called holes in the prison industrial complex and she 1:42:37.960 --> 1:42:41.320 like ties that explicitly to like, the kids aren't doing 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:43.840 anything wrong. They're being told that they are going to 1:42:43.920 --> 1:42:46.800 improve themselves, so why would you get in trouble for 1:42:47.080 --> 1:42:50.559 literally reading? But again, it's like the institution is based 1:42:50.600 --> 1:42:55.559 on barring Zero from the education he deserves because then 1:42:55.560 --> 1:43:00.080 it's easier to exploit him. And like, just right darkest. 1:43:00.479 --> 1:43:04.120 About the theme of literacy is that they keep the 1:43:04.280 --> 1:43:08.320 shovels in uh ad, that says live library. 1:43:08.479 --> 1:43:09.599 I thought it was a good touch. 1:43:09.800 --> 1:43:13.040 Yeah, I had to pause it, but I was like, 1:43:13.280 --> 1:43:15.559 oh no, I didn't notice that before. 1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:16.639 That's very upset. 1:43:17.360 --> 1:43:22.639 Yeah, there, And also that the oppressors of this movie. 1:43:22.760 --> 1:43:24.960 It is kind of a funny, like woman can do 1:43:25.040 --> 1:43:29.120 it too, and you're like, it's true, but it's you know, 1:43:29.200 --> 1:43:31.840 the people at the top of this operation are white, 1:43:32.320 --> 1:43:37.480 and they're all sort of representing different kinds of oppression, 1:43:37.560 --> 1:43:41.120 where like mister Zur and Panansky are equally bad, but 1:43:41.240 --> 1:43:46.440 they are presenting a different approach to being pro incarceration. 1:43:46.800 --> 1:43:50.880 Like I it's just it's so well written. And then 1:43:50.960 --> 1:43:55.080 the snake nail Polish, I mean, hello. 1:43:55.040 --> 1:43:56.000 Love the snake nail Poli. 1:43:56.160 --> 1:43:59.040 I love the idea of like the women in this 1:43:59.120 --> 1:44:01.920 story having these weapons like kissing. 1:44:02.000 --> 1:44:02.800 Kate Barlowe is. 1:44:02.760 --> 1:44:05.800 Known, Yes, she shoots people, but then she kisses them 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:08.520 and that's what she's known for. Is this red lipstick 1:44:08.600 --> 1:44:11.720 mark that she leaves behind is her sort of like signature, 1:44:12.240 --> 1:44:16.160 and then the warden has her nail polish that she 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:19.200 then uses to like put these men in line. And 1:44:19.240 --> 1:44:23.519 this idea and like poison being traditionally a preferred method 1:44:23.760 --> 1:44:26.040 of like violence for women. 1:44:26.439 --> 1:44:29.439 I thought that was really interesting. And you know, there 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:32.080 are a lot of women in here, but they make 1:44:32.120 --> 1:44:35.320 it count. Wh Yeah, when they're hurting people, they make 1:44:35.360 --> 1:44:35.800 it count. 1:44:36.600 --> 1:44:39.719 And I don't even mind that they're not the many 1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:41.080 women in this movie. 1:44:41.160 --> 1:44:44.080 Well, I mean it's about especially because it's about like 1:44:44.400 --> 1:44:48.240 a gendered incarcerated like it makes sense. I do think that, 1:44:48.360 --> 1:44:51.080 you know, it is good. I guess we got Orange 1:44:51.120 --> 1:44:54.639 just the new Black. You know, it's there was media 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:57.799 down the line about incarcerated women, which is equally important 1:44:57.800 --> 1:44:58.600 to talk about. 1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:02.960 And maybe more with this Disney Plus reboot, which I 1:45:03.000 --> 1:45:03.559 wrote down the. 1:45:03.600 --> 1:45:05.280 Joke I'm calling it it's not happening. 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:08.360 Well, if it does, they should call it Girl is 1:45:08.400 --> 1:45:11.920 the New Boy. And that's the amazing joke I wrote down. 1:45:13.400 --> 1:45:13.760 Really good. 1:45:13.920 --> 1:45:16.439 I hope that it gets green lit and that they 1:45:16.520 --> 1:45:18.719 hire me, and then I want to write the episode 1:45:18.760 --> 1:45:20.839 about when one of the girls gets her first period 1:45:20.880 --> 1:45:23.240 in the middle of digging her hole, and everybody else 1:45:23.280 --> 1:45:25.240 has to help her finish digging her hole because she 1:45:25.280 --> 1:45:25.919 has cramps. 1:45:26.160 --> 1:45:28.880 And that's womanhood and that's solidarity. 1:45:29.400 --> 1:45:35.439 Hire me, that is Disney solidarity. Yeah, as long as 1:45:35.479 --> 1:45:38.600 they bring back Sigourney Weaver, because that, I mean that 1:45:38.680 --> 1:45:42.840 character would get out of jail. It lickety split, I guess. 1:45:42.960 --> 1:45:45.519 The other just contrasting the yeah, because you really only 1:45:45.560 --> 1:45:48.120 get like one woman in each timeline, because you have 1:45:48.200 --> 1:45:52.360 Madam Zeroni in one timeline kissing Kate Barlowe in another timeline, 1:45:52.720 --> 1:45:56.679 and Sigourney Weaver, I mean, Stanley Yale's mom is barely 1:45:56.920 --> 1:45:57.240 in it. 1:45:57.760 --> 1:45:59.280 Like I do. 1:45:59.479 --> 1:46:01.200 Like that they go out of their way to show 1:46:01.439 --> 1:46:04.800 again that like all of these kids we are led 1:46:04.840 --> 1:46:08.280 to believe are from poor backgrounds to different degrees, but 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:12.400 like it, Stanley is from a family that's just scraping by. 1:46:12.520 --> 1:46:16.479 They're almost getting evicted, and you still see that there 1:46:16.720 --> 1:46:20.280 is like he is emotionally cared for and loved, which 1:46:20.320 --> 1:46:22.479 I think often you know, like poor parents are made 1:46:22.520 --> 1:46:25.920 out to be negligent. I think you can say, although 1:46:25.960 --> 1:46:29.400 we don't get to know Zero's mom at all, I 1:46:29.640 --> 1:46:34.240 did appreciate that again, like an unhoused character literally, the 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:38.000 two unhoused characters you get in children's media if you 1:46:38.000 --> 1:46:42.000 were a kid at this time are Zero and Aladdin, 1:46:42.439 --> 1:46:46.639 and they are They're both characters who when they take 1:46:46.800 --> 1:46:49.439 we know why they're doing it, is like because they 1:46:49.479 --> 1:46:52.720 need to survive, and the movies, their respective movies don't 1:46:52.720 --> 1:46:56.120 pass judgment on them for doing that. And I appreciated that. 1:46:56.479 --> 1:46:59.680 I wish we could have known her more, but that 1:47:00.120 --> 1:47:05.200 the movie takes care to say that Zero's mom wasn't negligent. 1:47:05.320 --> 1:47:09.040 It was all of these systemic issues that separated them 1:47:09.040 --> 1:47:12.120 from each other. And again that's just like I wish 1:47:12.160 --> 1:47:14.599 that that had almost been emphasized more by letting us 1:47:14.640 --> 1:47:18.240 get to know her, because you know, like unhouse characters 1:47:18.280 --> 1:47:23.960 are so rare outside of punchlines and getting the full 1:47:24.000 --> 1:47:27.400 context for And also that like Zero took the shoes 1:47:27.439 --> 1:47:30.840 because he was living at the shelter, and you know, 1:47:31.000 --> 1:47:33.920 I don't know, I just I kind of forgot about 1:47:34.000 --> 1:47:39.760 that portion of his character, and I really thought it 1:47:39.840 --> 1:47:41.719 was handled quite well. 1:47:41.880 --> 1:47:44.640 Also, he probably wouldn't have taken the shoes if he 1:47:44.680 --> 1:47:48.880 could have read so rightly, because he said that he 1:47:48.960 --> 1:47:52.880 did not know that they were Sweetfeet's shoes he just 1:47:53.080 --> 1:47:55.479 liked them and he took them. And I think that 1:47:55.520 --> 1:47:57.439 the you know, the weight of taking those shoes would 1:47:57.479 --> 1:47:59.160 have been different. Could he have read like the little 1:47:59.200 --> 1:48:01.880 thing that said, oh sweet feet whatever. 1:48:01.520 --> 1:48:04.360 His name is, shoes because he just needed shoes. Yeah, 1:48:04.400 --> 1:48:07.080 like you're saying like he got arrested for taking from 1:48:07.080 --> 1:48:09.559 a paylist. Like the kid just needed shoes and he 1:48:09.640 --> 1:48:14.879 wasn't being provided for. I just ah, I love Zero's character. 1:48:15.240 --> 1:48:18.160 And the shoes were donated to the shelter, so he 1:48:18.320 --> 1:48:20.479 was living at the shelter, those shoes were in. 1:48:20.400 --> 1:48:23.840 His mind for him, right, Yeah, totally. I also think 1:48:23.840 --> 1:48:28.320 it's interesting that there is acknowledgment that even though Stanley's 1:48:28.320 --> 1:48:34.080 family is poor, they are still more socioeconomically privileged over 1:48:35.040 --> 1:48:39.040 Zero and his family, because there's that moment that Zero's describing, 1:48:39.120 --> 1:48:41.160 Oh yeah, my mom would sometimes have to like leave 1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:43.200 me at a park, you know, I would go to 1:48:43.280 --> 1:48:46.400 Laney Park, and Stanley's like, oh yeah, I used to 1:48:46.479 --> 1:48:50.040 go there all the time parentheses for fun with my family, 1:48:50.439 --> 1:48:53.320 and Zero says, yeah, I used to sleep, you know, 1:48:53.400 --> 1:48:56.200 in the tube under the swinging bridge or something. And 1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:59.519 you see the look on Stanley's face is like whoa 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:03.959 like his privilege is checked. And yeah, I just appreciate 1:49:04.000 --> 1:49:08.120 that the movie acknowledges that class difference. And I also 1:49:08.200 --> 1:49:13.439 think it's really effective in the Pananski character finding Zero 1:49:13.800 --> 1:49:16.760 so worthless. Part of the reason he has it out 1:49:16.800 --> 1:49:21.080 for him is that Zero can't read, and Pandanski treats 1:49:21.120 --> 1:49:24.280 that as as though it's a personal failure of Zero's. 1:49:24.640 --> 1:49:27.040 Oh he if he can't read, he must not be smart. 1:49:27.240 --> 1:49:31.040 But it's so clearly is because he can't. And it's 1:49:31.040 --> 1:49:34.120 like Pandanski acts as if because Zero can't read, he 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:38.439 also cannot hear, like it is just like it is 1:49:38.479 --> 1:49:41.479 so oh, he's like to me, to me on this 1:49:41.560 --> 1:49:44.639 viewing the most evil character in the movie, because he's 1:49:44.800 --> 1:49:47.839 a fucking coward, like he does think he's a good person. 1:49:48.360 --> 1:49:52.840 I very least don't think mister sirr or Sigourney Weaver 1:49:53.120 --> 1:49:54.880 are like I'm an amazing They're like, yeah, I'm a 1:49:54.920 --> 1:49:57.479 piece of shit and I and I don't care if 1:49:57.560 --> 1:49:59.720 children die. I think Pandanski goes home at the end 1:49:59.720 --> 1:50:02.240 of the night is like I'm doing right by these boys, 1:50:02.320 --> 1:50:06.559 and there I'm better and there's I mean, I feel 1:50:06.560 --> 1:50:11.160 like every kid encountered a teacher like that who is 1:50:11.200 --> 1:50:16.280 like cruel to and not no disrespect to the teachers, 1:50:16.360 --> 1:50:21.320 Like but but I mean, I clearly remember the art 1:50:21.360 --> 1:50:23.679 teacher at my elementary school who would pick on kids 1:50:23.760 --> 1:50:25.599 and say it was like for their own good and 1:50:25.640 --> 1:50:29.200 clearly had no issue with I'm like the art teacher. 1:50:29.320 --> 1:50:32.960 Come on, Teaching is a tough job, and I'm so 1:50:33.080 --> 1:50:34.920 glad that there are people who are committed to doing 1:50:35.000 --> 1:50:35.920 it and doing it well. 1:50:36.320 --> 1:50:36.840 Few are and. 1:50:36.800 --> 1:50:39.519 Fewer people because administrators at schools are making it so 1:50:39.600 --> 1:50:43.800 much more difficult, and then the turnover is getting outrageous. 1:50:44.040 --> 1:50:48.960 But there's always one teacher who is like, I just 1:50:49.000 --> 1:50:52.320 want to be able to have beef with children, and. 1:50:52.360 --> 1:50:54.880 You're like what, And so often I feel like they're 1:50:54.920 --> 1:50:58.840 in administrative positions. Now I'm just projecting my mom's entire career, 1:50:58.960 --> 1:51:03.400 but like like it's yeah, I don't know, Pandanzky piece 1:51:03.400 --> 1:51:05.080 of shit. And then I do like that they add 1:51:05.080 --> 1:51:07.240 the bit at the end of like he doesn't even 1:51:07.280 --> 1:51:11.639 have a degree, because what, like what teacher would agree 1:51:11.680 --> 1:51:13.800 to work there that isn't fraudulent? 1:51:15.360 --> 1:51:18.320 Yeah, yeah, So a lot of that I found to 1:51:18.320 --> 1:51:22.920 be very effective in the movie. There is a joke 1:51:23.600 --> 1:51:25.840 that rubbed me the wrong way. At the very end 1:51:26.120 --> 1:51:31.800 where whatever officials show up with Stanley's lawyer, I don't 1:51:31.840 --> 1:51:36.320 know if it's like DA's or something, but it's like 1:51:36.400 --> 1:51:39.760 people with some kind of authority, and one of them 1:51:40.000 --> 1:51:43.760 recognizes mister Sirrh and mister Surr gets arrested because he's 1:51:43.760 --> 1:51:47.479 in violation of his parole and there is a reveal 1:51:47.720 --> 1:51:50.720 of his real name, mister Surr's real name, which is 1:51:51.120 --> 1:51:55.200 marian Sevillo, and the boys are like, marian, I didn't 1:51:55.200 --> 1:51:58.080 know that was a man's name, and he's like, it 1:51:58.160 --> 1:52:01.400 isn't and it's meant to like escalate him and be 1:52:01.479 --> 1:52:05.280 one more layer of humiliation for him because he has 1:52:05.320 --> 1:52:08.320 a quote unquote woman's name, And it just felt like 1:52:08.439 --> 1:52:12.839 a cheap joke that was below the movie in general, 1:52:13.000 --> 1:52:13.439 I think. 1:52:13.600 --> 1:52:16.400 But yeah, yeah, I didn't love it. 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:18.880 And it's like it's genuinely not funny. 1:52:19.120 --> 1:52:21.120 No, no, yes, not for nothing. 1:52:21.160 --> 1:52:24.120 I'll admit when a joke is like, oh this is problematic, 1:52:24.200 --> 1:52:28.840 but also I giggle a little despite myself, But like 1:52:28.920 --> 1:52:31.839 the Merry joke is not even there's nothing funny about it. 1:52:31.840 --> 1:52:33.600 It's not even like a silly sounding name. It's a 1:52:33.720 --> 1:52:37.439 very normal sounding name that is just oh, girls have it. 1:52:37.760 --> 1:52:44.160 Yeah, it's just a yeah as a Jamie. He's fine, fine, right, 1:52:44.320 --> 1:52:48.760 it's actually it's great having a gender fluid name. It's fun. Yeah, 1:52:48.840 --> 1:52:51.439 that was not great, but I think, you know, a 1:52:51.479 --> 1:52:52.880 comparatively small. 1:52:53.400 --> 1:52:56.720 Totally yeah, one of the few blemishes on an otherwise 1:52:56.800 --> 1:52:57.639 perfect movie. 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:02.040 Yeah, I think that's everything I had. 1:53:02.120 --> 1:53:05.519 I wanted to say something about the music. Obviously we've 1:53:05.520 --> 1:53:08.400 talked about dig it. There is a lullaby. We didn't 1:53:08.400 --> 1:53:12.120 really talk about the lullaby very much. That when Elia 1:53:12.479 --> 1:53:15.840 was taking the pig up the mountain, he had to 1:53:15.840 --> 1:53:19.000 sing to the pig, and it was like if only, 1:53:19.000 --> 1:53:21.080 if only at the woodpecker's size, the bark on the 1:53:21.120 --> 1:53:22.639 trees were as soft as the sguise. 1:53:23.120 --> 1:53:25.519 There's something about wolves. I don't remember the rest of it. 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:31.639 Yeah, and you know he's supposed to sing it when 1:53:31.680 --> 1:53:34.720 he takes Madame Seroni up, which, as we all know, 1:53:35.080 --> 1:53:36.120 drop the ball on that. 1:53:37.000 --> 1:53:39.200 Should it turned around taken the next boat. I stand 1:53:39.200 --> 1:53:39.479 by that. 1:53:40.600 --> 1:53:44.000 And then I think that it's really sweet that Stanley 1:53:44.120 --> 1:53:47.839 does sing this song when they get to God's Thumb 1:53:48.280 --> 1:53:52.160 and when Hector is drinking the water and it makes 1:53:52.200 --> 1:53:55.280 him strong, and that's kind of like the last piece 1:53:55.600 --> 1:53:57.599 of sort of breaking the curse. 1:53:58.520 --> 1:54:00.120 And the other thing is. 1:54:00.160 --> 1:54:05.000 They did a like studio song version of that song 1:54:05.880 --> 1:54:09.400 in the end credits, if you stay till the very 1:54:09.479 --> 1:54:11.760 end of the credits there they do that song as 1:54:11.800 --> 1:54:14.840 the last one, and then there's a scene of Zero 1:54:15.479 --> 1:54:19.320 saying like Madam Zeroni's line that if you forget to 1:54:19.400 --> 1:54:23.320 come for Madame Zeroni, your family will be cursed forever 1:54:23.439 --> 1:54:24.519 and all it. 1:54:25.439 --> 1:54:29.280 Yeah, however, the kid's voice, so he does a line 1:54:29.320 --> 1:54:31.400 reading of that, and it's very cute, but the song 1:54:32.000 --> 1:54:35.280 actually kind of slaps and it's giving, like very early 1:54:35.320 --> 1:54:37.440 two thousand's, late nineties. 1:54:37.000 --> 1:54:41.760 Like soft rock, sort of like a Matchbox twenty Moby. 1:54:41.920 --> 1:54:43.080 There's a Moby. 1:54:42.880 --> 1:54:45.760 Song in it. I did not know that that's of 1:54:45.800 --> 1:54:48.440 the time there is bravely a Moby's song. 1:54:49.080 --> 1:54:52.200 But so I looked at I rewound the video and 1:54:52.240 --> 1:54:55.440 I looked at who because I always like reading the 1:54:55.440 --> 1:54:57.920 little music things and I wasn't paying attention, and I 1:54:57.960 --> 1:55:01.000 saw that it was by somebody called like fiction Plane 1:55:01.560 --> 1:55:04.760 or something like that, and hold, then I wrote it down. 1:55:04.800 --> 1:55:07.080 I don't know why I'm pretending that I can't read. 1:55:07.560 --> 1:55:11.960 Uh yeah, fiction Plane. They sang the song if Only, 1:55:12.920 --> 1:55:16.080 and the lead singer of fiction Plane is a man 1:55:16.160 --> 1:55:20.160 named Joe Sumner, who is Sting's son. 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:26.800 No way, yeah wow. And Sting was in the Disney 1:55:26.800 --> 1:55:31.280 Expanded Universe because of Emperor's New Groove. I wonder if 1:55:31.320 --> 1:55:34.920 he pulled some strings there, if he pulled some stings 1:55:35.920 --> 1:55:40.280 Sting some stings there, if anyone ever, I think it's 1:55:40.360 --> 1:55:43.880 it's It is occasionally re uploaded to YouTube. There is like, 1:55:44.000 --> 1:55:46.240 I don't know why I find it so compelling. Well, 1:55:46.240 --> 1:55:50.960 it's an interesting documentary about production. But Sting was originally 1:55:51.200 --> 1:55:53.600 like The Emperor's New Grave Groove. The production of that 1:55:53.640 --> 1:55:54.520 movie is fascinating. 1:55:54.960 --> 1:55:55.240 But it was. 1:55:55.240 --> 1:55:58.360 Originally a much more serious story and then turned into 1:55:58.720 --> 1:56:03.160 David's Bade comedy. But Sting wrote this really like he 1:56:03.240 --> 1:56:05.440 thought he was doing Elton john and The Lion King. 1:56:05.800 --> 1:56:09.080 So he wrote all of these serious stories, and his 1:56:09.320 --> 1:56:13.680 wife was making a documentary, assuming like, oh, we're gonna 1:56:13.720 --> 1:56:16.320 you're gonna be like Elton. You're Elton john Ning, so 1:56:16.480 --> 1:56:19.720 I should document this, and you just see the production 1:56:19.920 --> 1:56:23.040 completely fall apart. There's so many shots of Sting being 1:56:23.080 --> 1:56:25.480 bummed out in his mansion because he's like, they deleted 1:56:25.480 --> 1:56:28.320 in another one of my songs, or I think he's British. 1:56:28.920 --> 1:56:30.720 Yes, yeah, he's British. 1:56:31.040 --> 1:56:35.160 But but it's so interesting. It's specific watching Sting slowly 1:56:35.200 --> 1:56:37.360 realize all of his music is going to be deleted. 1:56:37.360 --> 1:56:42.280 And it's actually a David Spade comedy. If you ever 1:56:42.280 --> 1:56:45.680 wanted to see Sting become really depressed in the space 1:56:45.680 --> 1:56:48.080 of eighty minutes, it's an interesting documentary. 1:56:48.400 --> 1:56:50.280 Why would I want them to do that? Did Joe 1:56:50.320 --> 1:56:51.200 Sumner's father? 1:56:53.080 --> 1:56:57.040 My theory is that Disney was like, we we got 1:56:57.040 --> 1:56:59.640 a tossing a bone, we got a tossing a bone, 1:56:59.640 --> 1:57:02.360 we did a so Dirty on Emperor's New Groove, another 1:57:02.440 --> 1:57:06.760 Earth a Kit joint. Yeah, it's all connected, it really is. 1:57:07.040 --> 1:57:09.360 But yeah, seeing that and like the song was actually 1:57:09.360 --> 1:57:12.440 really interesting because I found it to be very moving 1:57:12.720 --> 1:57:15.280 and it was just sort of like, what if the 1:57:15.360 --> 1:57:17.720 bark on the trees was as soft a disguise? What 1:57:17.800 --> 1:57:20.360 if things were easy? What if life was different? And 1:57:20.400 --> 1:57:23.840 I was just like, yeah, what if what if? Joe? 1:57:24.320 --> 1:57:29.360 And just the the Sting reveal was very surprising to. 1:57:29.400 --> 1:57:31.360 Me, just when you didn't think Sting was going to 1:57:31.560 --> 1:57:35.360 get his way into the holes expanded universe. There he is. 1:57:35.560 --> 1:57:39.600 And then I like did some digging. 1:57:41.720 --> 1:57:44.560 I did some digging on Joe Sumner and I saw 1:57:44.600 --> 1:57:48.200 that he later invented an app in like twenty ten 1:57:48.600 --> 1:57:53.480 or twenty eleven that enabled people who go to concerts 1:57:54.000 --> 1:57:57.480 to upload their videos to this app, and all the 1:57:57.520 --> 1:58:00.280 people that went to the concert would upload their yes 1:58:00.280 --> 1:58:03.000 that they took and it would basically create a concert 1:58:03.360 --> 1:58:07.080 movie with the different angles that people oh did and the. 1:58:07.040 --> 1:58:10.080 Apps until like twenty sixteen and bring it back. 1:58:10.360 --> 1:58:11.000 That's cool. 1:58:11.280 --> 1:58:14.160 Yeah, that would do so much better now too, right, 1:58:14.240 --> 1:58:15.760 I think like, bring it back? 1:58:16.040 --> 1:58:18.960 Yeah, Joe, if you're listening, bring it back. 1:58:19.680 --> 1:58:22.880 Joe biggest fans, We're big fans. I'm sorry to make 1:58:22.920 --> 1:58:25.640 fun of when your dad was upset about and for 1:58:25.720 --> 1:58:29.560 his new groove. I would have been upset too, But yeah, 1:58:29.600 --> 1:58:30.480 I just wanted to. 1:58:30.600 --> 1:58:33.320 Bring that little factory because I thought that was fascinating, 1:58:33.560 --> 1:58:35.360 very interesting and unexpected. 1:58:35.640 --> 1:58:35.960 Yeah. 1:58:36.280 --> 1:58:39.920 Does anyone have anything else they want to talk about? 1:58:40.480 --> 1:58:41.640 No, I'm good, I got it. 1:58:41.720 --> 1:58:45.040 I don't think so. Yeah, I'm going to reread Wayside School. 1:58:45.400 --> 1:58:46.400 That's my I. 1:58:46.360 --> 1:58:48.160 Love those books so much. I haven't read them in 1:58:48.200 --> 1:58:50.520 like thirty years. 1:58:50.360 --> 1:58:52.040 So they're so silly. 1:58:53.920 --> 1:58:58.200 Well, as we discussed, the movie does pass the Bechdel test, 1:58:58.680 --> 1:59:03.800 albeit briefly. It passes. It passes a pass as far 1:59:03.840 --> 1:59:07.600 as our nipple scale, though, where we rate the movie 1:59:07.760 --> 1:59:12.360 based on a scale of zero to five nipples, examining 1:59:12.360 --> 1:59:18.160 it through an intersectional feminist lens. Oh boy, I don't know. 1:59:18.720 --> 1:59:20.640 I feel like, are sure it applies. 1:59:20.960 --> 1:59:23.680 Our scale is kind of tricky to apply here. I mean, 1:59:23.760 --> 1:59:26.680 I think in terms of like intersectionality, this movie does 1:59:27.520 --> 1:59:30.600 well in that it brings up issues I've never seen 1:59:30.640 --> 1:59:35.160 brought up in uh children's movie about like justice and 1:59:35.280 --> 1:59:40.120 oppression and school to prison pipeline, and this movie is 1:59:40.120 --> 1:59:42.240 doing so much. 1:59:42.600 --> 1:59:43.040 I agree. 1:59:43.120 --> 1:59:45.040 You feel like the nipple scale is like difficult to 1:59:45.080 --> 1:59:45.520 apply here. 1:59:45.600 --> 1:59:45.800 It is. 1:59:47.720 --> 1:59:49.960 Yeah, I give it. 1:59:51.520 --> 1:59:53.760 I would say I give it five wholes. 1:59:54.480 --> 1:59:58.120 File Okay, so not the nipple scale today is the 1:59:58.160 --> 2:00:00.600 whole scale zero to five holes. 2:00:01.000 --> 2:00:03.360 This is the movie holes. So I'm giving it five holes. 2:00:03.600 --> 2:00:07.040 Yeah, say I'm giving it five holes the end. 2:00:07.760 --> 2:00:09.640 If I had to give it on a scale of 2:00:09.720 --> 2:00:13.960 zero to five holes, holes, yes, five holes, six holes. 2:00:13.960 --> 2:00:17.760 Even I know I'm an extra hole because they did 2:00:17.800 --> 2:00:19.680 one last holes like one. 2:00:19.640 --> 2:00:23.480 Last job, and the bonus hole could forget. 2:00:23.720 --> 2:00:26.320 If I genuinely had to do it on a nipple scale, 2:00:26.400 --> 2:00:28.440 I think I would actually give it, like surprisingly, like 2:00:28.480 --> 2:00:30.760 three and a half nipples, like a lot of nipples 2:00:31.400 --> 2:00:33.360 for a woman free. 2:00:33.160 --> 2:00:38.760 Movie one woman per decade, just because like when we 2:00:38.800 --> 2:00:43.040 talk about intersectionality, yes we're talking about women and representation 2:00:43.080 --> 2:00:46.400 of women, but the things that matter at the end 2:00:46.440 --> 2:00:49.680 of the day are deconstructing these systems and it's talking 2:00:49.760 --> 2:00:53.280 about how these systems are flawed and bringing attention to 2:00:53.320 --> 2:00:55.040 these systems that do affect women. 2:00:55.280 --> 2:00:57.000 And even though they're showing it in the context of 2:00:57.000 --> 2:01:03.080 it affecting teenage boys, unless you're Disney US, it still 2:01:03.440 --> 2:01:06.760 is something that is I think, and that positive for 2:01:07.920 --> 2:01:11.720 intersectional feminism. So like I because there aren't that many women, 2:01:11.760 --> 2:01:15.840 I can't give it five nipples, And because you know, 2:01:16.080 --> 2:01:17.960 at the end of the day, it's like this camp 2:01:18.120 --> 2:01:22.200 was the problem, not like the whole system. The state's 2:01:22.240 --> 2:01:25.120 not the problem. The camp is the problem. Right, But 2:01:25.240 --> 2:01:29.080 like three and a half nipples still pretty solid showing 2:01:29.160 --> 2:01:32.280 there for a movie again, like half a. 2:01:32.240 --> 2:01:36.760 Woman in it, truly, I mean, and yeah, I hope 2:01:36.760 --> 2:01:42.120 that I wish that this movie led to more media 2:01:42.360 --> 2:01:45.600 like or just kids media that addressed issues like this, 2:01:46.000 --> 2:01:49.640 but it is still, twenty plus years later, pretty singular 2:01:50.240 --> 2:01:53.920 for the issues that because I mean, like if if 2:01:54.120 --> 2:01:57.080 a story like this kid, because I loved Nickel Boys, 2:01:57.080 --> 2:01:59.000 but it's very much not a movie for children. 2:01:59.640 --> 2:02:04.200 And well, if you count Paddington Too, that's I mean, 2:02:04.920 --> 2:02:09.160 I mean Paddington and Paddington Too are again indictments of 2:02:09.400 --> 2:02:15.480 the prison industrial complex of like anti immigrant hate and racism. 2:02:15.640 --> 2:02:18.160 So it's true that Paddington movies do it. 2:02:18.280 --> 2:02:22.680 So that's two there. But yeah, no, I mean, I 2:02:22.680 --> 2:02:25.080 I I don't know. It's it's a very special movie. 2:02:25.120 --> 2:02:27.720 I agree like it kind of broke the nipple scale 2:02:27.760 --> 2:02:30.720 in my head. But I think your your rationalization makes 2:02:30.720 --> 2:02:31.240 a lot of sense. 2:02:31.320 --> 2:02:32.600 Grama totally thank. 2:02:32.400 --> 2:02:33.880 You for engaging with the show in a way that 2:02:33.920 --> 2:02:34.920 we were not willing to. 2:02:36.800 --> 2:02:37.720 That's what I'm here for. 2:02:37.760 --> 2:02:40.280 I ask the hard questions, how many nipples does this 2:02:40.360 --> 2:02:41.400 movie really deserve? 2:02:41.840 --> 2:02:47.920 Thanks for thanks for poking holes in our system by. 2:02:49.200 --> 2:02:53.640 I will also say Utopia tries not like this particular 2:02:54.240 --> 2:02:56.280 set of issues, but Utopia does. 2:02:56.360 --> 2:02:59.200 Try to be like haters. 2:02:59.480 --> 2:03:01.320 Yeah, I would. It tries and it fails. 2:03:01.520 --> 2:03:04.720 Yeah, I didn't say it succeeded, but he tried. Yeah, 2:03:04.760 --> 2:03:05.919 there's some deep. 2:03:05.800 --> 2:03:08.280 Laws there where it's like, okay, but yeah, some people 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:09.320 are predators. 2:03:11.960 --> 2:03:16.400 No, but like they tried to fix racism with. 2:03:16.480 --> 2:03:19.320 Animals, they're like, we didn't quite. Disney was like, we 2:03:19.360 --> 2:03:23.200 didn't quite do it with holes. Let's let's try the 2:03:23.280 --> 2:03:24.520 animal copaganda movie. 2:03:24.600 --> 2:03:24.720 There. 2:03:24.880 --> 2:03:28.840 I do appreciate ultimately, and I feel like I'm talking 2:03:28.840 --> 2:03:30.720 a lot of shit. I'm trying. I am trying to 2:03:30.720 --> 2:03:35.160 get work. But anyways, that Disney was very hands off 2:03:35.200 --> 2:03:37.040 with this movie, because I think if Disney had been 2:03:37.080 --> 2:03:40.320 hands on with this movie, we would have gotten, you know, 2:03:40.480 --> 2:03:44.440 whatever this movie's version of Jim Carrey's count Oloff was. 2:03:45.320 --> 2:03:47.320 I think that it is like critical to the story 2:03:47.360 --> 2:03:49.920 working that you are scared for these kids and that 2:03:50.000 --> 2:03:53.160 you understand where they're coming from, and that their antagonists 2:03:53.320 --> 2:03:57.960 are you know, elevated, like the mister Sir is goofy 2:03:58.240 --> 2:04:01.240 in some ways, but not so goofy that he ceases 2:04:01.320 --> 2:04:02.520 to be scary. 2:04:02.720 --> 2:04:05.360 And yeah, totally, I think that. 2:04:05.400 --> 2:04:09.040 It's really a testament to the fact that like, you know, 2:04:09.120 --> 2:04:11.560 we talk a lot of shit generally, we not the 2:04:11.600 --> 2:04:13.480 three of us, but we society talk a lot of 2:04:13.480 --> 2:04:16.720 shit on these major corporations. And it's proof that they 2:04:16.760 --> 2:04:23.320 are capable of making these thoughtful movies and they can 2:04:23.440 --> 2:04:24.200 do it if they. 2:04:24.080 --> 2:04:26.800 Want to, right, So it's like, so why aren't they 2:04:26.840 --> 2:04:27.160 doing it? 2:04:27.200 --> 2:04:30.560 And it is also sometimes commercially successful when they do it, 2:04:31.160 --> 2:04:33.600 and I think that it's a good reminder, like, hey, 2:04:33.680 --> 2:04:35.480 remember when you did this thing and you did it 2:04:35.480 --> 2:04:38.040 the way the creatives asked you to and it was 2:04:38.080 --> 2:04:40.720 wildly successful and it had a lot of a listers 2:04:40.760 --> 2:04:43.240 in it, and people are still talking about it twenty 2:04:43.280 --> 2:04:46.280 years later as a like shining example of the way 2:04:46.320 --> 2:04:46.920 to do things. 2:04:47.400 --> 2:04:50.680 What if you rebooted that, What if you rebooted that spirit? 2:04:51.000 --> 2:04:54.760 They're like, well, no, let's do cgi dogs for Lady 2:04:54.840 --> 2:04:57.880 in the trimp. Let's do that One's. 2:04:57.440 --> 2:04:59.440 That word that's a joke, right, that's that's a joke. 2:04:59.560 --> 2:05:02.720 Oh no, that's exit that. It came out five years ago. Unfortunately, 2:05:02.960 --> 2:05:05.840 it's very scary. It's a scary watch. It's scarier than 2:05:05.880 --> 2:05:06.400 mister sir. 2:05:06.760 --> 2:05:07.280 I did think a. 2:05:07.240 --> 2:05:09.880 Lady in the Tramp earlier because The Boy Dog is 2:05:10.040 --> 2:05:13.560 another example of a house representation in children's media. 2:05:14.360 --> 2:05:17.800 Forget I believe, I believe Lady in the I think 2:05:17.880 --> 2:05:20.200 Lady is Tessa Thompson. 2:05:20.920 --> 2:05:23.320 Sure, I never saw it. 2:05:22.560 --> 2:05:26.800 I think I was the only person that's yeah, it's 2:05:26.840 --> 2:05:28.600 Tessa Thompson and Justin Thurreau. 2:05:28.760 --> 2:05:32.960 And you're like, yeah, I was too busy gearing up 2:05:33.040 --> 2:05:37.080 for the live action Pinocchio Disney reboot. 2:05:37.320 --> 2:05:40.800 So shout out to the Pinocchio Wars on the Matreon. 2:05:41.040 --> 2:05:43.360 When speaking of which, Okay, let's wrap it. I'm hungry, 2:05:43.400 --> 2:05:44.400 let's wrap up the show. 2:05:44.880 --> 2:05:46.920 I just wanna say one last thing. Disney has been 2:05:47.000 --> 2:05:49.640 good to me personally, and I do you think follow 2:05:49.840 --> 2:05:54.560 the checks and I I'm just gonna say another thing 2:05:54.560 --> 2:05:55.760 and I forgot, So it doesn't matter. 2:05:56.120 --> 2:05:58.480 Disney is good to me and that it made and 2:05:58.640 --> 2:05:59.640 or my favorite show. 2:06:00.080 --> 2:06:02.400 I will say there, Disney is still making cool, weird 2:06:02.400 --> 2:06:05.360 stuff like I mean, you mentioned Bunked as a great example. 2:06:06.160 --> 2:06:10.720 I just finished work. I hope it gets renewed for 2:06:10.800 --> 2:06:13.720 all manner of reasons. But like a super silly kids 2:06:13.760 --> 2:06:17.880 show called Stugo. So if you have a kid, and 2:06:18.040 --> 2:06:20.640 I think I would say like the Seven or eight range. 2:06:21.560 --> 2:06:23.840 That's a very silly, fun show that's on the Disney 2:06:23.920 --> 2:06:26.560 Channel right now. It's like speaking to your point, Grama. 2:06:26.640 --> 2:06:28.920 They can do it, so why not do it more? 2:06:28.960 --> 2:06:31.760 Because people like it. This movie did make its money 2:06:31.760 --> 2:06:35.880 back and then some. It made believe seventy one million 2:06:35.960 --> 2:06:40.000 dollars off of a seventeen million dollar budget. But as 2:06:40.160 --> 2:06:45.360 is the way with many movies that have a lot 2:06:45.400 --> 2:06:49.080 of like author involvement and Disney being hands off, it 2:06:49.120 --> 2:06:51.760 does seem like the price for that was that everyone 2:06:51.840 --> 2:06:54.879 took a pay cut, because you cannot have a stacked 2:06:54.920 --> 2:06:59.440 cast like this for seventeen million dollars without a serious 2:06:59.680 --> 2:07:03.040 pay cut and throwing kids into one hundred and thirty 2:07:03.080 --> 2:07:06.960 degree holes. So while it is amazing that this is successful, 2:07:07.000 --> 2:07:09.320 I do feel like there is always some sort of 2:07:09.400 --> 2:07:11.800 exchange of like, oh, you want to make your perfect art, 2:07:12.240 --> 2:07:16.320 here's four dollars, bitch, you know. Like, but but I'm 2:07:16.360 --> 2:07:18.080 glad that this cast. I mean, I just feel like 2:07:18.080 --> 2:07:20.560 it's a perfectly cast movie. It's so good, it's. 2:07:20.440 --> 2:07:24.960 Very well done. I hope they do more holes in 2:07:25.120 --> 2:07:25.600 the world. 2:07:25.880 --> 2:07:28.880 Yeah, yeah, Karama, thank you so much for coming back. 2:07:28.920 --> 2:07:31.840 You've covered such an interesting wide variety of movies on 2:07:31.960 --> 2:07:32.280 the show. 2:07:33.600 --> 2:07:36.320 I'm saying on the record, bring me back for Stepmom 2:07:36.360 --> 2:07:37.760 if you ever get around. 2:07:37.720 --> 2:07:40.840 Yes, absolutely yes, And then so it'll be it's two 2:07:40.920 --> 2:07:43.400 Disney movies, two Jordan Peele movies. 2:07:43.800 --> 2:07:46.600 Oh yeah, and then now and step in the future 2:07:46.600 --> 2:07:47.560 starting a new chapter. 2:07:48.120 --> 2:07:50.360 I'm gonna be like Tarantino. He said he was gonna 2:07:50.400 --> 2:07:52.200 like do eight movies and then never come back. 2:07:52.240 --> 2:07:57.120 Which you can't wait for that part, right, He's really 2:07:57.200 --> 2:07:59.520 dragging out the last one. 2:07:59.640 --> 2:08:00.680 I ever come back. 2:08:01.040 --> 2:08:04.600 No, you can come back after that, please do if 2:08:04.600 --> 2:08:08.840 you want. Anyway, where can people check out your stuff? 2:08:09.000 --> 2:08:11.000 Follow you on social media, etcetera? 2:08:11.120 --> 2:08:15.760 Yeah, at Karama Drama, on all the platforms that you 2:08:15.840 --> 2:08:20.360 might use. I started talking about libraries recently on my 2:08:20.440 --> 2:08:24.080 TikTok because I'm a big, big slat for libraries, love them. 2:08:24.360 --> 2:08:26.080 I have for library cards. 2:08:26.120 --> 2:08:27.320 Wow, hell yeah. 2:08:27.600 --> 2:08:29.760 You can have a lot of library cards and get 2:08:29.800 --> 2:08:31.000 a lot of different things with them. 2:08:31.080 --> 2:08:34.320 I highly encourage you to go get do it for 2:08:34.360 --> 2:08:35.640 Hector Zeroni. 2:08:35.920 --> 2:08:37.880 The Hector Zerni Memorial Library. 2:08:37.960 --> 2:08:40.080 Go get a library card. Where can you guys be 2:08:40.160 --> 2:08:41.840 found using your. 2:08:41.720 --> 2:08:42.480 Library cards or not? 2:08:43.400 --> 2:08:43.520 Uh? 2:08:43.840 --> 2:08:47.480 You could? You can find us on mostly just Instagram 2:08:47.480 --> 2:08:51.640 these days. At Bechdel Cast, you could follow our Patreon 2:08:51.680 --> 2:08:55.280 aka maatreon at patreon dot com slash Bechdel Cast. We 2:08:55.440 --> 2:08:58.120 have shouted out The Pinocchio Wars, one of our best series, 2:08:58.160 --> 2:09:00.400 but we've had it since twenty seventeen. So for five 2:09:00.440 --> 2:09:04.320 dollars a month, you get two bonus episodes every single 2:09:04.360 --> 2:09:07.200 month and access to our back catalog which goes back 2:09:07.240 --> 2:09:11.360 almost ten years, so there's a lot of spicy content. 2:09:11.400 --> 2:09:13.320 That's actually where you will be able to listen to 2:09:14.000 --> 2:09:17.560 us discuss the prison industrial conflicts for a second time 2:09:17.600 --> 2:09:20.600 if you so choose, because we are covering Shawshank Redemption 2:09:20.720 --> 2:09:23.760 over on the Matreon this month, which is Holes for 2:09:23.840 --> 2:09:24.360 grown ups. 2:09:25.160 --> 2:09:27.840 Yes, I basically decided that for my birthday month, I 2:09:27.880 --> 2:09:33.120 wanted to do Holes, Shawshank Redemption and Oh Brother, Where 2:09:33.200 --> 2:09:36.640 Art Though? Which is a movie about three men escaping 2:09:36.920 --> 2:09:39.640 from prison, and one of them is Tim Blake Nelson 2:09:39.760 --> 2:09:43.000 who's also in Holes, So it's all connected, just the 2:09:43.040 --> 2:09:44.280 way the plot of Holes is. 2:09:44.440 --> 2:09:48.000 And both movies feature down in the river to pray. 2:09:47.880 --> 2:09:51.520 Right Yes wow, yeah, it thinks that they changed it 2:09:51.560 --> 2:09:52.680 to valley because there's no water. 2:09:55.120 --> 2:09:59.360 Yes, so that is what's happening over on the Matreon. 2:09:59.480 --> 2:10:01.200 As it is my birthday this month, it would be 2:10:01.200 --> 2:10:05.040 a nice little gift to me and to the podcast 2:10:05.080 --> 2:10:09.000 in general if you subscribe to the Matreon if you 2:10:09.080 --> 2:10:11.640 haven't already listeners and. 2:10:11.720 --> 2:10:15.680 Uh, with that, let's go to the yell NAT's pool 2:10:15.760 --> 2:10:19.160 and watch a shoe commercial with our best friend, a 2:10:19.240 --> 2:10:21.440 basketball player playing a baseball player. 2:10:22.280 --> 2:10:29.520 Okay, bye, bye bye. 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