Speaker 1: That's what's up. Family is your girl to make a
Speaker 1: d Mallory and it's your general and we are your
Speaker 1: host of street politicians the place with the stoics. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff happening. But today we've got to
Speaker 1: keep our show tight because we're covering a very very
Speaker 1: very very very significant story. We're talking about Tekenisias Chappelle.
Speaker 1: She died in an Indiana jail, um and in just
Speaker 1: in July. So this is a very recent situation and
Speaker 1: we've been covering it and talking on our social media.
Speaker 1: But we know that it is not easy to get
Speaker 1: the attention of the world when black women die, UM,
Speaker 1: and particularly when they die at the hands of the
Speaker 1: state UH and those people who are supposed to protect us.
Speaker 1: And so it takes a lot of work. And I'm
Speaker 1: glad to see that many of the blogs are starting
Speaker 1: to pick up the story. I saw the The Jasmine
Speaker 1: Brand talking about it after I had asked him um
Speaker 1: to please cover this situation. UH. And by the way,
Speaker 1: just to give a shout out to Roland Martin, as
Speaker 1: he was the first journalist to take on the story
Speaker 1: of Tekenisianship Chappelle. UH from a you know from a
Speaker 1: from a very serious perspective. I mean, he put, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of the footage into his coverage to really
Speaker 1: give a serious view into what took place in that
Speaker 1: jail when Technisha became sick and begged for help for hours,
Speaker 1: literally for two days she was sick, and no one
Speaker 1: did anything to help her, and then she died. Um.
Speaker 1: And I don't want to, you know, give too much
Speaker 1: sort of in this sort of pre context about the situation,
Speaker 1: because we're going to be joined today by her sister,
Speaker 1: who has been a serious advocate. She's really been on
Speaker 1: the front lines fighting for her sister, UM, really supporting
Speaker 1: her mother. UM. And she's gonna be joining us. And
Speaker 1: also the attorney for the family who we many of
Speaker 1: us learned about and got to know through Brianna Taylors
Speaker 1: family because he was that family attorney as well. He
Speaker 1: still is. His name is Sam Agar and now he
Speaker 1: is the attorney for Teennisia Chappelle's family, and so he's
Speaker 1: gonna be joining us also today. So we've got to
Speaker 1: save a lot of time to make sure that we
Speaker 1: get them on and are able to hear from them
Speaker 1: and really sort of just figure out what we can do.
Speaker 1: So that's that on that. But let's talk about what's
Speaker 1: been going on in the news, because there is a
Speaker 1: lot happening, a lot happening. Um. You know, I think
Speaker 1: that too many people are either so tired, so busy,
Speaker 1: trying to get back into the real world, if you will.
Speaker 1: They've got a lot going on. That's one side. Then
Speaker 1: there are people who are just willfully ignorant, and some
Speaker 1: folks who are not necessarily ignorant, but just unwilling to
Speaker 1: deal with the stress of what is happening in the media.
Speaker 1: But I think people need to be very very mindful
Speaker 1: that what we see in terms of this war that
Speaker 1: has just begun. In the last few days, the last
Speaker 1: three days, um, we saw Russia go in and and
Speaker 1: and invade Ukraine. UM and and a lot of people
Speaker 1: I see them online saying we can't be worried about
Speaker 1: other people's affairs that doesn't impact us. We've got our
Speaker 1: own stuff to deal with. And I agree, I agree
Speaker 1: a hundred percent that there is too much happening right
Speaker 1: here on us soil, uh, that we have to address
Speaker 1: and that we have to still be fighting for them.
Speaker 1: We can't allow the federal government to be so caught
Speaker 1: up in dealing with international affairs that they somehow overlooked
Speaker 1: the voter suppression that's happening in this country, because there
Speaker 1: are elections happening all over the country where I'm hearing
Speaker 1: people say that their voter suppression efforts. I just had
Speaker 1: a conversation with Lead Merit, who's running for Attorney General
Speaker 1: UM in Texas, and he said that there's so many
Speaker 1: different issues happening with ballots being closed that you know,
Speaker 1: the excuse me, polling locations being closed because of ice
Speaker 1: UM and the cold that is there in Texas, but
Speaker 1: then also mail in ballots being rejected at the largest
Speaker 1: numbers that they have ever seen in Texas since they've
Speaker 1: been accepting mail in ballots, And when they try to
Speaker 1: reach out to the federal government, it's like, well, there's
Speaker 1: a lot going on with Ukraine. So I understand that.
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, if we know anything about war, and we
Speaker 1: understand that our government is going to get involved because
Speaker 1: America is the superpower at the table, at the table
Speaker 1: with NATO UM, which is where all of the sort
Speaker 1: of the the State of the Union, which means all
Speaker 1: of these UM countries come together UM. And as we
Speaker 1: get involved and we start putting sanctions on Russia, knowing
Speaker 1: that the previous administration already gave the keys to the
Speaker 1: castle to Russia. We know what they did with the
Speaker 1: election when Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton. We saw
Speaker 1: them um with the box online and the cyber attacks
Speaker 1: that we received, and so they haven't changed. In fact,
Speaker 1: they've already started to launch cyber attacks against the banking
Speaker 1: system and systems and other things in Ukraine. So that
Speaker 1: is going to be our reality very soon. Gas prices
Speaker 1: are already high, we're already in inflation. But this will
Speaker 1: cause more devastation, which will ultimately trickle down to more
Speaker 1: gun violence and more issues in our community. So that's
Speaker 1: what I have to say about it. I don't know
Speaker 1: what you think, but this is not something that we
Speaker 1: can ignore. World War three is is upon us, and
Speaker 1: we know that American truths. Our children will also be
Speaker 1: impacted by what has taken place overseas. I think a
Speaker 1: lot for a lot of us, you know, war is
Speaker 1: so far removed. It's like the the things you see
Speaker 1: in the movies and you hear about. You know, we
Speaker 1: come from a generation where we haven't really experienced war
Speaker 1: in that in that you know capacity, so a lot
Speaker 1: of it it's not real to us, right and a
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, I remember seeing it, like
Speaker 1: you know, war and sport on foreign lands. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really a touch. As we grow, we understand that the financial,
Speaker 1: you know, effects that the war has on everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: as you said, American being the superpower and having allies,
Speaker 1: you know, when war is it happens. We have to
Speaker 1: protect our interests in some regards. You know, if we
Speaker 1: are trading with countries, if you know, we have different
Speaker 1: business deals and and and deals that we have going
Speaker 1: on with these countries, then we have to be in
Speaker 1: off these wars. And ultimately, like you said, these people
Speaker 1: will have our babies sign up for wars. You know,
Speaker 1: we already have. Our military will be in there. You know,
Speaker 1: lives will be lost. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: things that come with wars. So when we think that
Speaker 1: it doesn't affect us, it's not really accurate at all,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's actually quite the opposite affects us
Speaker 1: a lot. We we, like you said, our previous administration
Speaker 1: pretty much gave Russia the keys. You know, they were
Speaker 1: able to be able to infringe upon our election. So
Speaker 1: if they have any type, they have that technology and
Speaker 1: they have the skill level. When you talk about banks,
Speaker 1: you know, our banking system, and I'm being able to
Speaker 1: attack our banks and our money, then that's gonna hurt
Speaker 1: us in a in a big way, you know. And
Speaker 1: I was like I was saying today, you know, we
Speaker 1: never knowe war is such a crazy thing because we
Speaker 1: don't know what we're fighting for. Most of the town. Right,
Speaker 1: every country that's going to the war has a completely
Speaker 1: different narrative about why the war is. You know, I
Speaker 1: was listening to CNN, and we have a narrative here
Speaker 1: why the war is and improved in the same that
Speaker 1: he's protecting people who have been you know, have been
Speaker 1: prisoners and have been there will have been opposed upon them,
Speaker 1: and he's protecting people. You know. So when you look
Speaker 1: at both sides, everybody thinks that they're like and every
Speaker 1: reason for war is just and it's just so crazy.
Speaker 1: And in us, as just civilians and citizens who live
Speaker 1: in the country, we don't know nothing but what the
Speaker 1: news tells us. We don't know, like when we especially
Speaker 1: when when we when we pay attention to prior wars,
Speaker 1: right when we look about how the war when drugs
Speaker 1: were being and guns were being sent to different countries,
Speaker 1: and they were being funded by one person, and when
Speaker 1: people were funding in all these things, we didn't know
Speaker 1: what we were fighting for. We were told this was
Speaker 1: the reason we fight. We always told that this is
Speaker 1: one reason we fight, and then we find out years
Speaker 1: later that it's over sudden, totally different. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I just it's just an unfortunate situation. We're just living
Speaker 1: real crazy times, and technology makes it so much more
Speaker 1: easy to not to get information, but also to lie,
Speaker 1: to trick information to you know, to give you misinformation
Speaker 1: disseminated so fast that nobody knows what's going on. So
Speaker 1: right now I don't know what the hell is going on.
Speaker 1: I know what people are telling me we fight, you
Speaker 1: know that that Ukraine and Russia and everything is fighting over,
Speaker 1: but I actually don't know what the hell it is,
Speaker 1: and I don't think we ever will until you know,
Speaker 1: there's a whistle blower and somebody saw us to devolge
Speaker 1: the information what really happened, Because it's just so it's
Speaker 1: so ironic. As soon as you know the prior administration
Speaker 1: was buddy buddy with prove it, you know as soon
Speaker 1: as this happens. Now it's war like. I just don't
Speaker 1: know what these chess plays that these people are making
Speaker 1: and how you know how they pretty much get mooed
Speaker 1: a live, yeah, gamble with our lives. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you the trauma that people are experiencing from all of
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's a lot, you know, I UM speaking
Speaker 1: of trauma. Just looking at this week, we um won
Speaker 1: in the civil rights matter. Um, the federal government was
Speaker 1: able to secure conviction of hate crimes against the McMichaels
Speaker 1: and the other guy. I don't even know his name
Speaker 1: and I'm not even gonna try to remember it. But
Speaker 1: the murderers of Ahmad are very and it's a when
Speaker 1: for sure. And listen, we talk about accountability and justice,
Speaker 1: and we know that justice looks like not even having
Speaker 1: a mod are very dead right, not even having to
Speaker 1: talk about this and have his mother and father and
Speaker 1: others struggling and stressing and fighting fighting to try to
Speaker 1: get a little bit of accountability. UM, we don't want
Speaker 1: to see anymore a mod are reason, and so we
Speaker 1: know that that's what real true justice looks like. Uh.
Speaker 1: Of a world where our young babies boys, UM, and
Speaker 1: and men and of course women as well, But in
Speaker 1: this particular situation, just thinking of a young man, um
Speaker 1: that that they would be safe, that's real justice. And
Speaker 1: accountability was having the men convicted in the state court, right,
Speaker 1: that was accountability. But I would say that the federal
Speaker 1: hate crimes laws starts leaning in the direction of justice
Speaker 1: only if we can get the federal government to look
Speaker 1: at this not as just a mad are very but
Speaker 1: to look at hate crimes that are being inflicted upon
Speaker 1: our people around this nation. And that includes policing, it
Speaker 1: includes just white supremacy in general. Um and and that's
Speaker 1: what real justice needs to look like and what we
Speaker 1: need to be pushing towards. We can't stop, right because
Speaker 1: uh and I know the trauma. As you said, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a heavy time because you go up in
Speaker 1: terms of getting a conviction of the McMichaels and in
Speaker 1: the the mod arevery matter. But then you turned around
Speaker 1: and in the Dante right situation, you have an officer
Speaker 1: only receive eighteen months UM in jail after murdering this
Speaker 1: young boy. So we know that there's always pushback and
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be easy. Like we don't get
Speaker 1: to fight a little bit or just winning a mod areby,
Speaker 1: and then the movement shuts down and people go home
Speaker 1: because you still have the Dante rights and so many
Speaker 1: other people that need justice, and so you know, I
Speaker 1: just I'm happy that it happened. But I can imagine
Speaker 1: what Wanda Cooper and um and a Mod's father, what
Speaker 1: they have been through. They've they've been through a lot, man,
Speaker 1: and you know, just looking at this whole situation, like
Speaker 1: you said, it's moving towards justice. Account is definitely accountability,
Speaker 1: but it is moving towards justice. And you know, they
Speaker 1: actually declared February three, I'm out our every day, so
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you do you celebrate. We we
Speaker 1: would rather I know the parents in the world would
Speaker 1: rather have him out our birth. But you know, I apologize,
Speaker 1: Ms Cooper, don't kill me, but yes, the world would
Speaker 1: rather have and I know Ms ms Cooper would definitely
Speaker 1: rather have her son. But to see that change is
Speaker 1: slowly happening because of the situation and people are being
Speaker 1: held accountable and we're moving towards justice, you know, it's
Speaker 1: definitely something that makes us believe that our fight isn't
Speaker 1: in vain. You know, because I'm not gonna lie. Being
Speaker 1: a part of this movement, being on the front line
Speaker 1: sometimes it's you know, you get to ay out your whistle. Man,
Speaker 1: It's just like, damn, we're just fighting. We're just fighting
Speaker 1: a no win battle, you know. Like we always say,
Speaker 1: we our goal is to never have to work again.
Speaker 1: You know, we don't have a job. We gotta go.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Unfortunately that's not the reality. So
Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep on fighting, moving in the right direction,
Speaker 1: you know. And and shout out to shout out to
Speaker 1: jan Da Cooper for calling out um, the d o
Speaker 1: J and everybody in between. And shout out to Kristen
Speaker 1: clark Um. She is the Assistant Attorney General for the
Speaker 1: Civil Rights Division at the Department of Justice. And I
Speaker 1: know her. I know her very well, Um, and I
Speaker 1: know that her heart is really in this and that
Speaker 1: she wants to do the right thing. But nevertheless, when
Speaker 1: you work within the system, just like us we work
Speaker 1: in the movement, we get challenged all the time. She's
Speaker 1: going to be challenged also. Her back is going to
Speaker 1: be pushed against the wall. Um Merrick Garland, he as
Speaker 1: our as the the the the the the top cop
Speaker 1: in America. His back is going to be pushed against
Speaker 1: the war. Don't care how mean time Ty cries on TV,
Speaker 1: how much they make it sound like they so upset
Speaker 1: and everybody people are going to push them. And Wanda
Speaker 1: Cooper called them out and said, if it had not
Speaker 1: been for us fighting to stop you from giving a
Speaker 1: plea deal to these men, where they would be actually
Speaker 1: have to go to court and and and and face
Speaker 1: their the music for what they did. They can't just
Speaker 1: cover it up and disappear. No, they gotta go to court.
Speaker 1: That's what she wanted. She wanted them to be convicted
Speaker 1: in the court. And they did it. The Department of
Speaker 1: Justice did their job after being told no, a plea
Speaker 1: deal will not work. The community stood with them. And
Speaker 1: so shout out to miss Cooper for standing there and saying,
Speaker 1: I'm the one we made you do this to get
Speaker 1: this conviction today is badass. She don't play the games.
Speaker 1: That lady, don't play no games. First time I met,
Speaker 1: I never saw a smile one time. She never smiled.
Speaker 1: She was always there, she was loving, very loving, but
Speaker 1: the smile was not there. Man. She she warmed up
Speaker 1: to us and she became my family, but that lady
Speaker 1: don't play no games. He doesn't. So we were honored
Speaker 1: this week. I wasn't able to go because I was
Speaker 1: one of those people in contact with UM, the the
Speaker 1: the Lieutenant Governor of New York State, Brian Benjamin, who
Speaker 1: contracted COVID and he was positive and we were hugging
Speaker 1: and whatever else, and so I had to get tested
Speaker 1: and PCRs take twenty four hours and dotted all of
Speaker 1: the things. So I wasn't able to be there, but
Speaker 1: we did receive a special honor this week. You attended,
Speaker 1: you were honored as well, So tell us about what happened. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Shout out to the Windows of Hip Hop UM and
Speaker 1: the Elements Awards, the Hip Hop Elements Awards. They honored
Speaker 1: us for our contribution two you know, the hip hop
Speaker 1: culture through civil rights and through our activism. And it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful event. Shout out to my brother Amadez.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Mellie mel Grandmaster Cast. Shout out to
Speaker 1: every Vanessa L. Gibson who was in the house, brons
Speaker 1: Boro President. It was a real very nice event. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been there, It's probably my third time I was
Speaker 1: there when the honored Fat Joe So Me and you
Speaker 1: were amongst the honorees, along with Amadez and a Boogie
Speaker 1: who wasn't able to make it either, who was got
Speaker 1: caught from a flight from across seas that couldn't make
Speaker 1: it in time. So but it was a beautiful eventman,
Speaker 1: So shout out to them for honor me. It's always
Speaker 1: a beautiful thing to be honored by your home. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been screaming b X and Bronx as a hip
Speaker 1: hop artist for so long and representing that so long.
Speaker 1: So when you recognize and honored by the people that
Speaker 1: you actually stand for is a different feeling. So shout
Speaker 1: out to them. Wow, I'm happy that you were. When
Speaker 1: they said they were honoring me, I was like, I
Speaker 1: kind of get how. You know, I try my best
Speaker 1: to make sure that I'm relevant in the culture, but
Speaker 1: I see you being that Honorrey even more. Um And
Speaker 1: while it was happening happening, the awards was happening, I
Speaker 1: was so sad that I wasn't there, But I text you, like,
Speaker 1: you really deserve this because you do represent the Bronx
Speaker 1: and you know, and as an artist, I don't think
Speaker 1: that people and you're not alone. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: artists out here that are not properly noticed for the
Speaker 1: work that you guys do and just being an artist
Speaker 1: dealing with all the stuff that comes with artistry. UM,
Speaker 1: I've watched you do that, and I know how challenging
Speaker 1: it is, especially to try to go against sort of
Speaker 1: the the trend and really stay true to you, to
Speaker 1: your artistic flavor and who you are. So I'm proud
Speaker 1: of you and proud of us, and thank you so
Speaker 1: much to the Elements what is it called again, the Element,
Speaker 1: the Hip Hop Elements for giving us that that honor.
Speaker 1: So speaking of artists, you know, I um and you
Speaker 1: and I have had world war battles off screen about
Speaker 1: this issue with Meg the Stallion and Tory Lanes, And
Speaker 1: you know, my thought of the day today is around that.
Speaker 1: I think my thought of the day is that black
Speaker 1: women are so tired. We are so tired that it's
Speaker 1: at the point where I'm so triggered by what is
Speaker 1: happening to Meg the Stallion that yesterday, among my own
Speaker 1: being tired for everything that I have going on, I
Speaker 1: literally started to cry. It's not that there are people
Speaker 1: out there who probably are like, oh, that's because you
Speaker 1: just have decided that, um, you know, she that that
Speaker 1: that Tory Lane shot her. And you and I have
Speaker 1: had debate about this because when when she said that
Speaker 1: she was shot, which by the way, she didn't say
Speaker 1: anything in the beginning, but at the time that she
Speaker 1: was certainly certainly being antagonized by him, and she came
Speaker 1: out and said, you shot me. You were an advocate
Speaker 1: from them to say, why would she lie? If she
Speaker 1: says that he shot her, then I'm gonna believe her
Speaker 1: until he proves that he didn't. And there was a
Speaker 1: lot of back and forth about that, and eventually after
Speaker 1: you and I went back and forth because and in
Speaker 1: my position wasn't that he did or he didn't, but
Speaker 1: my position was more so that because there is so
Speaker 1: little information out there, the way in which you advocate
Speaker 1: for her, you have to be careful because he could
Speaker 1: go out and star suing people saying that folks are
Speaker 1: you know, making accusations against him and defaming his character,
Speaker 1: and you might be caught up in that. So, you know,
Speaker 1: we went back and forth on what was the best
Speaker 1: way for you to approach it, and then one day
Speaker 1: I woke up and saw that you posted that you
Speaker 1: know what I thought about it, and I want to
Speaker 1: apologize for um the way in which I'm I am.
Speaker 1: I'm stating this because I don't know exactly what happened,
Speaker 1: but I just don't believe that this woman has a
Speaker 1: reason to make up a lie. So I know you
Speaker 1: have some back and forth, you know, all of that,
Speaker 1: all the things that happened. So I sat and really
Speaker 1: have just watched, which I would hope that most people
Speaker 1: would do the same thing. Right, No one is saying
Speaker 1: I am not saying that because I'm triggered by what
Speaker 1: is going on with her now that that's because I
Speaker 1: know for sure that Tory Lane shot make this value.
Speaker 1: That is not my position at all. My position is
Speaker 1: that none of us know what happened, right, none of
Speaker 1: us know. But there is a woman who is a victim.
Speaker 1: She is a victim, and she says that she was shot,
Speaker 1: and the way that she is being treated, and what
Speaker 1: makes it triggering to me is that she is being
Speaker 1: treated very similarly to other women who have come forward
Speaker 1: in their lives to report rape, domestic violence, and other
Speaker 1: very serious issues. It is always our fault and that
Speaker 1: our story doesn't make sense, and people finding ways to
Speaker 1: chastise us, to demean us this. I see all these
Speaker 1: people saying on Tory Lane's side, and I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with them less wait and see. But even yesterday, excuse me,
Speaker 1: but even the other day after I posted about how
Speaker 1: triggering this whole situation is, there were people who even
Speaker 1: when they say wait and see, they still lean towards
Speaker 1: saying because she's lying, or it doesn't sound right, or
Speaker 1: her story doesn't sound right, and therefore we should wait
Speaker 1: and see. My problem and the reason why I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I'm being triggered by how she's being treated it
Speaker 1: is not even so much as what as as as
Speaker 1: what is specifically going on with her and UM and
Speaker 1: this Tory Lane situation, except the fact that every few months,
Speaker 1: every few months, I see people coming at her for
Speaker 1: different reasons. I'm not saying that she's perfect or not,
Speaker 1: but I've seen what she goes through. I met the
Speaker 1: sister um and and have had much conversation with her
Speaker 1: and believe her to be a somebody who's really just
Speaker 1: trying to grow. But I don't say that she's perfect
Speaker 1: because I'm not perfect. Because I know that this ship
Speaker 1: that I've done and things that I've said that's not right,
Speaker 1: but it's an onslaught. It seems that whenever you become
Speaker 1: a successful woman, you have to deal with people punching
Speaker 1: and kicking at you from every direction. And in the
Speaker 1: last week, this woman has been fighting with men, fighting
Speaker 1: with radio host and TV people. Every single day there's
Speaker 1: been something, and it's really really really triggering, Like I'm
Speaker 1: really I'm exhausted. We are black women fighting, and then
Speaker 1: we have to fight black women too, because in most
Speaker 1: of these or most of the blogs, you see a
Speaker 1: lot of black women, You see a lot of faith pages,
Speaker 1: and you see a lot of black women out there
Speaker 1: talking down and saying that she's you know, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't believe her. Well, why why
Speaker 1: don't you just I'm not saying that you have to
Speaker 1: accept whatever she says, but why not be real about
Speaker 1: this idea that we have to just wait and see
Speaker 1: what happens as the trial um continues. I just don't
Speaker 1: get it, and and and and for me, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to figure out why does the world hate black women
Speaker 1: the way in which it does, and why do we
Speaker 1: as black women hate ourselves so much? A thing? For me, right,
Speaker 1: you know, like like you, like we stated from the beginning,
Speaker 1: I just never seen a reason. I have yet to
Speaker 1: know somebody who said somebody shot them and he saw
Speaker 1: them that wasn't telling the truth. That's just something I
Speaker 1: don't know. So I don't know why in this instance
Speaker 1: we would think it would be anything different. You know,
Speaker 1: somebody who obviously had some level of relationships and level
Speaker 1: of friendship. I don't think somebody would just lie a
Speaker 1: boy who shot them. That's just me personally, you know.
Speaker 1: So when when I just understanding that reality, that was
Speaker 1: my first thing. But just watching the way the men
Speaker 1: have handled this situation, you know, just watching a way
Speaker 1: that you know, a man is aware that somebody shot
Speaker 1: this woman, she's traumatized, whatever it is if you didn't
Speaker 1: do it this and that, the way that you're utilizing
Speaker 1: your platforms, The way these men are utilizing these platforms
Speaker 1: to try to degrade this woman and try to to
Speaker 1: just continue to just gaslight her and do ship to her,
Speaker 1: it's just unbelief. Even I just don't know men who
Speaker 1: move in this fashion. I just do not know men
Speaker 1: that move like this. Like if she was going, if
Speaker 1: she's saying this and you knew you didn't do this,
Speaker 1: you like, go on the court. We're gonna figure this out.
Speaker 1: I got evidence, whatever it is. But to purposely keep
Speaker 1: coming out disrespecting this women, making music and trying to
Speaker 1: talk about her, having other fucking whack ass blog sites
Speaker 1: arguing talking to this woman this way, It's just disgusting
Speaker 1: to me. And I just don't know men who move
Speaker 1: like this. It's also, you know, disheartened to see other
Speaker 1: women coming at this lady. And it's like, we just
Speaker 1: we went through all this Anita Hill and believe women
Speaker 1: and Cavanaugh ship, and now a woman saying she's being
Speaker 1: shot and people are sitting there acting like she like,
Speaker 1: and it's to me, I'm like, dud, what was that
Speaker 1: out there with this Cavanaugh ship for? What was it?
Speaker 1: What was I doing all this for? What was that
Speaker 1: risking my freedom for? If a woman, if we're supposed
Speaker 1: to believe some women we never seen before, I never
Speaker 1: heard before, and from our culture, never nothing about something
Speaker 1: that happened forty years ago, But we can't believe a
Speaker 1: black woman last week that said somebody then told you
Speaker 1: somebody shut up a week after she got shot. Like,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand this ship it's like, it's mind
Speaker 1: boggling to me, it is completely mind boggling. And then
Speaker 1: it's not even just that, is that people come with
Speaker 1: false information and lies. They said, well, she said this,
Speaker 1: and she did this, and they said this, and they
Speaker 1: said they got this and they said and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: where did you get that? Why? Why why do you
Speaker 1: why do you come with lies? And you're not doing
Speaker 1: any research at all, You're not. There's a big difference
Speaker 1: between saying that there was no DNA and saying that
Speaker 1: the DNA is inconclusive. Right, there's a big difference in
Speaker 1: that inconclusive means there's DNA here, possibly and there, and
Speaker 1: but there may be reasons why we are unable to
Speaker 1: identify exactly who is who's the person who it matches Right,
Speaker 1: in gun situations, it ain't gonna be no deed motion,
Speaker 1: but it's not it's wipe to go, Nor if I
Speaker 1: shot you and I know the police is coming up,
Speaker 1: that's just coming said so that that don't have really
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the reality of the whole situation.
Speaker 1: When people would rather point some dumb ship like that
Speaker 1: to try to discredit HIONE, it just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: It could mean that he didn't do it right, it
Speaker 1: could nobody know. We don't know, but we don't know.
Speaker 1: And and the problem with it is like you say,
Speaker 1: we don't know, but we know there is a woman
Speaker 1: who is claiming that she was shot, and therefore there
Speaker 1: should be some deference to that, I would think, right
Speaker 1: or is it preference? I don't freaking know. There should
Speaker 1: be people who say, well, the fact that she even
Speaker 1: is claiming that she was shot, that means that I
Speaker 1: need to listen, right, I need to watch closely, and
Speaker 1: I need not just jump because oh, DNA was inconclusive,
Speaker 1: then it didn't happen. And she's a liar. That does
Speaker 1: not that people have been raped and they've been unable
Speaker 1: to get the rape kit properly and find the person
Speaker 1: DNA on a woman's body. We don't know. There's so
Speaker 1: much more that has to come out. And I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that we are constantly leaning in the direction of
Speaker 1: the woman live every time, every single time. And you
Speaker 1: want to know why it takes people five years, ten years,
Speaker 1: fifteen years to come out with their story if they're
Speaker 1: saying that somebody raped them, right, you you wonder why
Speaker 1: it takes them that long because they don't want to
Speaker 1: even deal with it. They don't want to deal with women, men,
Speaker 1: other people, their jobs, and everybody else chastising them, ostracizing them.
Speaker 1: They don't want to deal with it. It's just so hurtful,
Speaker 1: like I could just break down because and and again
Speaker 1: it's not because I'm sitting here saying, oh, I know
Speaker 1: for sure, I know who shot who and what happened. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know that that black woman
Speaker 1: deserved for people to really seriously, to take seriously her
Speaker 1: claims and to stop victimizing her over and over again.
Speaker 1: Then they said, well, she's doing the same thing because
Speaker 1: she's online saying she's fighting for herself, she's fighting for herself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe she shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't have either, when things
Speaker 1: when people were coming at me, and I got people
Speaker 1: lying on me saying I'm stealing from their children's memory,
Speaker 1: and I got people lying on me making up stories
Speaker 1: about all kinds of ship. And sometimes as a human,
Speaker 1: especially as a woman who feels like I don't have
Speaker 1: people in my freaking corner, sometimes I go to my
Speaker 1: cage just like anybody else, and I say things that
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't say, but we're humans. We're humans. That
Speaker 1: woman is fighting for her life. She's fighting for her life.
Speaker 1: Maybe she god, Maybe she don't really know. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: she think he shot up and maybe it'll come out
Speaker 1: in court that it was the person standing next to us.
Speaker 1: I don't know. She she may not know. Maybe she does.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We don't know. But what we do
Speaker 1: know is she know it was fragments in her foot.
Speaker 1: She knows she had to go to the hospital. I'm
Speaker 1: what I'm saying this, I believe the woman. I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm believe me this. If somebody shot me, I know
Speaker 1: who shot me. That's it. I don't get fun. Nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna convince me that I don't know who shot me,
Speaker 1: and I was I didn't nig I know who shot me,
Speaker 1: and I'm always gonna know who. I'm not trying to say.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I don't believe what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I don't believe her. What I
Speaker 1: am saying to you is that people's position that we
Speaker 1: don't know and she don't know, and this and the
Speaker 1: third I can work with all of that, right because
Speaker 1: because I also do understand that when a black man
Speaker 1: is accused of something, it needs to be proven. Right.
Speaker 1: We we all agree with that. So I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that I'm not going to be the one to take
Speaker 1: the authority on saying I know for sure, band, this
Speaker 1: is what happened. What I will say, though, is that
Speaker 1: she should be treated like a victim, and I am
Speaker 1: going to defer deference was right. I am going to
Speaker 1: defer to her because she is a victim. Now upon
Speaker 1: me learning that that she's a liar, and we find
Speaker 1: out some others, you know, stuff, that is is just
Speaker 1: clear that that man didn't do it. I would be
Speaker 1: the first one to say, Meg the Stallion was wrong
Speaker 1: and that, you know, we should not allow people to
Speaker 1: uh to to to to to get away with wrongfully
Speaker 1: accusing folks and black men particularly of stuff. And then
Speaker 1: and I'll say this and we'll be done. But I'm
Speaker 1: sure there are people who are gonna say, yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know what about um, you know this one over here,
Speaker 1: a woman said this one raped the and y'all didn't
Speaker 1: say nothing. What we're saying is that that woman deserves
Speaker 1: to be heard. Also, woman over here, a woman from
Speaker 1: my childhood, the woman down the street, the woman with
Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh, the woman with everybody that you're talking about.
Speaker 1: All these women deserved to be heard, period. So as promised,
Speaker 1: we're being joined by Rohnicia Morrell, the sister of te
Speaker 1: Nisha Chappellem, who died, as I said, in an Indiana
Speaker 1: jail after having been there. She was apprehended and had
Speaker 1: been in jail for some time. I believe she was
Speaker 1: there for three months, um, and was waiting to face
Speaker 1: a trial if you willing to go to court for
Speaker 1: the charges that she was there for, and somehow or another,
Speaker 1: she got sick and died, and people, as far as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned, don't care enough. Um. We have seen video.
Speaker 1: We are watching video which you have seen some of
Speaker 1: it already initial and will see more um of of
Speaker 1: how her last hours of life were so traumatizing and inhumane,
Speaker 1: and yet to get into national attention for this young woman,
Speaker 1: we haven't seen it. And a part of it has
Speaker 1: to do with ta Nisha being a woman, because we
Speaker 1: know that too often women are ignored. But then when
Speaker 1: we talk about the prison system, jails, there's men, women
Speaker 1: and people of of of you know, all different gender,
Speaker 1: gender choices if you will. Who die all the time
Speaker 1: and nothing is done about it. The system is flawed
Speaker 1: and the way in which ta Nisha died. If we
Speaker 1: don't raise our voices about this, who cares what they
Speaker 1: accused to us? When you get inside of the jail
Speaker 1: and you haven't even gone to trial to be convicted
Speaker 1: of said crime, there is no way the treatment should
Speaker 1: be inhumane. I don't care if you murdered twenty people.
Speaker 1: Still there is there is supposed to be human rights
Speaker 1: inside of a jail, and what happened to take Nisha
Speaker 1: was not it was It was a total violation of
Speaker 1: her human and civil rights. And I don't know, Mike,
Speaker 1: if you want to jump in before we bring Rhansha,
Speaker 1: who has been such an advocate for her sister, to
Speaker 1: speak on you know, her family and what they're going through. No,
Speaker 1: I just you know, I remember everything you said. Man,
Speaker 1: watching those videos, you know, it just sent sails to me.
Speaker 1: And being formally incarcerated and understanding the likelihood of that
Speaker 1: happening on the regular is even more because when you
Speaker 1: try to explain to people that that's what happens in prison,
Speaker 1: you know, or jail, they don't believe that. They don't
Speaker 1: believe that the disregard for human life when you inside,
Speaker 1: you incarcerated, is that high. You know, listening to this
Speaker 1: this young ladies screen and crowd all night and how
Speaker 1: six she was, and how she was throwing up and
Speaker 1: and and she was like she couldn't like all of
Speaker 1: these things. And to just constantly be ignored or just
Speaker 1: treated like you was trash. And nobody even kids enough
Speaker 1: to see what's going on with you. The level of
Speaker 1: negligence and and and just the huge disregard for human
Speaker 1: life for me live was just unbelievable. Man, it was
Speaker 1: to me. It's just as equivalent to the man sitting
Speaker 1: on George floyd neck as he screamed, I can't breathe.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the same thing if you if you watch,
Speaker 1: if you literally watching someone die as they tell you
Speaker 1: that they they're they they're in pain and they're throwing
Speaker 1: up and you and you don't see any reason to
Speaker 1: help that person like that. That's not even human nature,
Speaker 1: my nature. I couldn't sit there and allow something like that.
Speaker 1: I could not allow that. So I my heart goes
Speaker 1: out to a family. You know. I met Ronicsha and
Speaker 1: the passion that she has knowing that she has to
Speaker 1: take on this fight for her sister, for family. It's
Speaker 1: just something that I respect and I understand it. It's
Speaker 1: just no way that the world should not be screaming
Speaker 1: bloody murder after watching that video and hearing her cry
Speaker 1: for her life like that. It's no way. There's just
Speaker 1: no way. Well, Ronicia, thank you for joining us and listen.
Speaker 1: Thank god we have a video right right. Tell us
Speaker 1: how you're feeling. First of all, you know, I want
Speaker 1: you to give us a brief overview because because repetition matters,
Speaker 1: and I know you had a powerful interview two of
Speaker 1: them that you did with Roland Martin and then with
Speaker 1: the Shade Room, and so people are starting to talk
Speaker 1: about it. I even saw Cardi B pick up the
Speaker 1: Shade Room footage and and the coverage and she has
Speaker 1: telling people to watch it. Um. But also everyone has
Speaker 1: to say, but they have to put sort of that disclaimer.
Speaker 1: When you watch this, no you will be triggered. What
Speaker 1: has it been like for your family and particular Alie,
Speaker 1: for you to watch those videos and listen to your
Speaker 1: sister in her last hours. It's been sickening, like I
Speaker 1: have to, like, it's been so many times I've watched it,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of like I'm not numb to it,
Speaker 1: but I've watched it so much so it's just like
Speaker 1: when y'all see it, it's like, I don't see this
Speaker 1: a thousand times and it don't get any easier. But
Speaker 1: I would like trying to come to times with certain
Speaker 1: things and just been an advocate for her. I think
Speaker 1: it's disgusting. Keep watching it, the people who's in there.
Speaker 1: It makes me more angry, makes me more mad. Um, Like,
Speaker 1: how could y'all like y'all y'd just don't have a
Speaker 1: good bone in your body, like y'all evil. It's just
Speaker 1: per evil to watch somebody scream for hours and cry
Speaker 1: for hours and you do nothing like disregard her, like
Speaker 1: none of her her cries when heard, like it didn't matter.
Speaker 1: M hm, it didn't matter. And she had been calling
Speaker 1: you guys. What was she saying on the calls that
Speaker 1: with you with you and her mom like with my mom.
Speaker 1: She called my mom and let my mom know that
Speaker 1: one of the office said, do you know the easiest
Speaker 1: way to get away with murder? And she was like,
Speaker 1: no way. He was like, be a cop, and she
Speaker 1: was like why would you say that to me? And
Speaker 1: my mom was like, we'll try to get his name
Speaker 1: or his badge or whatever. And then she had called
Speaker 1: me and let me know that she was jumped and
Speaker 1: she was cutting the neck. She also called and let
Speaker 1: me know that um, someone had put something in her drink,
Speaker 1: her pickle juice. She also let me know that they
Speaker 1: were seeing racial flurs, putting nuises on her bed. She cried,
Speaker 1: asked um, asked us to get her out, like she
Speaker 1: can't do it no more. Um. She even said that
Speaker 1: if we didn't get her out, like you know, we'll
Speaker 1: be trying to transform her dear body back go um
Speaker 1: back to Kentucky. So she was definitely trying to warn us,
Speaker 1: And there's audio of that of her saying, if you
Speaker 1: don't get me out of here, everything I just told
Speaker 1: you is for audio of it. Wow, Wow, my son,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, So let me ask you this
Speaker 1: from a legal perspective. After all of that, Now, did
Speaker 1: they have the videos at the time that obviously they did.
Speaker 1: Do you believe that the district attorney saw these same
Speaker 1: videos because you you guys were waited they were released
Speaker 1: after the DA that they were told that everything was
Speaker 1: submitted to the was told everything was submitted, so they
Speaker 1: watched these videos and that there was no wrongdoing and
Speaker 1: no reason I knowledge from my knowledge, yes, but you
Speaker 1: have to get police. I don't I don't know who
Speaker 1: could watch that video and not see the levels of
Speaker 1: negligence that are actually criminal. You know that there's an
Speaker 1: attempt to watch this woman died like when as an officer,
Speaker 1: for you to constantly walk or just ignore or someone
Speaker 1: who's telling you that they're dying, like I don't even
Speaker 1: understand how there's no negligence and that you know, but
Speaker 1: for for for for the people who don't know Teunisha,
Speaker 1: you know who who the only thing didn't know that
Speaker 1: she's a girl that was inside of a jail, right,
Speaker 1: I want you to just give us, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just a brief description of your sister and explain to
Speaker 1: us about who she was the person and you know
Speaker 1: how you know her to be my sister. She was
Speaker 1: the baby on my mom's side. She was stunning, like
Speaker 1: she loved the dance. Um, she was out going because
Speaker 1: that she was younger than me, so she she was
Speaker 1: just had a spirit like she made you love yourself,
Speaker 1: like she lived life so unapologetically like not in the box. Um,
Speaker 1: whatever she felt, she always spoke like she would just
Speaker 1: make you lad, like she was literally bad, like she
Speaker 1: loved to come in, turn things up. She loved, she
Speaker 1: loved is like she loved her daughter, she loved my nephew,
Speaker 1: Like she just was really good with kids, Like she
Speaker 1: had a smile, she had like this a little these
Speaker 1: little ears I called them. I tell people like, we
Speaker 1: got a little ears. You means you see, like she was.
Speaker 1: But she was just so sweet, like she would laugh, joke,
Speaker 1: come over, make you feel good about yourself, Like if
Speaker 1: it was something you was down the back, she was
Speaker 1: gonna uplift you up with the situation. M that's a
Speaker 1: person full of life. And the way that she died
Speaker 1: is so traumatizing. You mentioned her daughter, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping what you can't really because of social media,
Speaker 1: you can't really protect um, even these kids from being
Speaker 1: able to see so much traumatic stuff on the internet.
Speaker 1: But has her daughter actually been privy to like what
Speaker 1: exactly happened to her mom? Yes, Um, she was actually
Speaker 1: a third the day we um rally didn't jacks und Oh,
Speaker 1: she's definitely aware of what's going on. Like speak with her.
Speaker 1: I mean, she has her days, but she's very tough
Speaker 1: with you. She stays with you. Right. She just brought
Speaker 1: me a lot right now. Yeah, because see that would
Speaker 1: be the other narrative that you know, Tannisha was a
Speaker 1: single parent who didn't have the father of her daughter
Speaker 1: in her life, and all of these stories because they
Speaker 1: immediately turned towards trying to criminalize the victim. Right, and yeah,
Speaker 1: there is again all the stuff that happened up to
Speaker 1: her getting into jail. She was supposed to go to
Speaker 1: court for that, that was supposed to happen. And am
Speaker 1: I right? It was three months? Right? Um, it was
Speaker 1: two months. It was went in um May six, and
Speaker 1: then by July six, July six, July sixteen, she was gone,
Speaker 1: mm hmm. I mean I don't know. I just I'm
Speaker 1: with my son. Bloody murder, bloody murder, right, bloody Um,
Speaker 1: Like I tell you, if you negligent homicide, that's right,
Speaker 1: we can call. We can call it for what it is,
Speaker 1: negligent homicide because that's what they should it. And that's
Speaker 1: just how I feel all of them. And we can
Speaker 1: talk about Everton. Everelton definitely should be the first who
Speaker 1: is that he's supposed to be the nurse third but
Speaker 1: he's not even the arm he's an LPN, So he
Speaker 1: was in our plan like he can do something. He
Speaker 1: can't do that. So it's on all with them. M hmm.
Speaker 1: The blood is not it's just it's so unfortunate, and like,
Speaker 1: what can what can people do to help at this moment?
Speaker 1: You know, like we know what we're trying to do.
Speaker 1: We're gonna try to just highlight and make sure that
Speaker 1: as much people know about this, as much people are
Speaker 1: calling for justice, you know, so the system understands that
Speaker 1: this is not going away, and we're not gonna be quiet,
Speaker 1: and we're just not gonna let you just tell us
Speaker 1: that no wrong doing and criminal activity happen here. So
Speaker 1: what what would you want us to tell people? What
Speaker 1: can they do to help um? Right now? I was
Speaker 1: just like keep saying her name. We're working on her
Speaker 1: page to help navigate you guys a little bit more
Speaker 1: easier to so I can give you our website to
Speaker 1: go straight to and start supporting that before right now.
Speaker 1: And I would just like keep saying her name and
Speaker 1: keep pushing her her face after if I don't really
Speaker 1: ask for is the support of everyone right because we've
Speaker 1: we've watched people advocate for other UH families, UM, and
Speaker 1: for other victims, survivors, all of that. We we've done
Speaker 1: that we as a community, civil rights community, social justice community,
Speaker 1: as organizers, and just as everyday citizens, because there are
Speaker 1: times when even even those of us who do this
Speaker 1: work professionally every day are not up on every case
Speaker 1: and everything that's happening. But the people will rise and
Speaker 1: make the world pay tension and we all need to
Speaker 1: be neck and neck working together to support um Tekenisia
Speaker 1: Chappelle and your family. And so we have said until
Speaker 1: freedom is committed to being engaged in this from the
Speaker 1: very early stages we were watching, we've already, like you said,
Speaker 1: attended a rally with you all, Um, and you know,
Speaker 1: have been out there pushing the footage. I'm happy to
Speaker 1: see that people are starting to pick it up, that
Speaker 1: the story is getting out there, but it's not enough.
Speaker 1: It's not enough. We need an international outcry so that
Speaker 1: our federal government will step in and charge um everybody
Speaker 1: involved in Tunisia Chappelle's death, and that that negligence that
Speaker 1: took place over several days at least two days while
Speaker 1: she was in an Indiana jail. Now let me just
Speaker 1: say this is as we in this uh this interview,
Speaker 1: and again, thank you so much, Rhonicia. When we were
Speaker 1: in Indiana, outside that jail, I could feel from the
Speaker 1: officers who were standing around the way that they were
Speaker 1: looking at us. And I don't know if you felt this,
Speaker 1: my son, or if you felt this, Rhoenisia when you've
Speaker 1: been out there, but I could feel the energy of
Speaker 1: people who could care, who couldn't care less, and who
Speaker 1: had the ability, the the the the sickness to do
Speaker 1: what happened to Tanisha. Those officers were looking at us
Speaker 1: with a level of disdain and anger and evil um
Speaker 1: that I haven't seen in a lot of places. Indiana
Speaker 1: is different, and a lot of people have been saying
Speaker 1: Indiana and the jails there in Indiana, they're different. And
Speaker 1: if our experience in Louisville, Kentucky, because Tanisha and you
Speaker 1: are from Louisville, right, you guys live in Louisville. When
Speaker 1: we were when we participated in civil disobedience around the
Speaker 1: Brianna taylorcase there in Louisville and went to the jail,
Speaker 1: we could see how different it is from jails in
Speaker 1: other places around the country. So as you start getting
Speaker 1: to Louisville and Indiana should get real. It gets real.
Speaker 1: And and what I mean you say is that is
Speaker 1: that Takenishia suffered the whole time she was there, but
Speaker 1: particularly on those last few days. You were gonna say something.
Speaker 1: You are absolutely correct, Um Indiana, UM, Jackson County where
Speaker 1: we was at, Like they show you. They don't care
Speaker 1: openly because they never felt like they had an answer
Speaker 1: to no one. They maybe felt like a family wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna come at them and stand up for their loved ones.
Speaker 1: But they show it. They bluntly showed it to us
Speaker 1: several times. So this is why we should be standing up.
Speaker 1: We have to let them know like this won't keep
Speaker 1: happening it and they won't get away with it. Like
Speaker 1: I will keep using my voice, I will knock on
Speaker 1: every door, I will keep going. Yeah, the level of
Speaker 1: the level of racism in that town, it's just crazy,
Speaker 1: just in the streets general. But you know, once again,
Speaker 1: we're here for you. We want to thank you for
Speaker 1: allowing us to be here, for you, for showing up.
Speaker 1: You know, we wouldn't thank you for your your strength
Speaker 1: and let you know that we're gonna continue to say
Speaker 1: her name and support you through here. So we just
Speaker 1: want to say thank you, appreciate your love, Thank you, Rona.
Speaker 1: Keep fighting, keep having that passion, and keep on calling
Speaker 1: us to our best selves. You've been on me and
Speaker 1: I appreciate your truth and Canada. But you know I'm
Speaker 1: gonna push back because that's what we do, UM. And
Speaker 1: and we're gonna do that as we fight for your
Speaker 1: sistem and as you know, until freedom, we won't leave
Speaker 1: your side. Thank you, thank you. That's how that's how
Speaker 1: we ow it. So we just heard from Ronicia Morale,
Speaker 1: the strong, strong, fighting advocate for her sister, Taynsia Chappelle. UM.
Speaker 1: And this next guest, UM, as you've said, he's been
Speaker 1: on street politicians in the past. We know him as
Speaker 1: the attorney that really has been fighting for the family
Speaker 1: of Brianna Taylor and now he is the attorney for
Speaker 1: Tunisia Chappelle's family. UM. And it is you know, really
Speaker 1: trying to figure out why in the hell I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you know, on his behalf that we keep going through
Speaker 1: this with black women, UM and being an advocate for
Speaker 1: us as black women, and these two black women particularly, um.
Speaker 1: And so we are glad to have Attorney Sam Agyar
Speaker 1: with us today. And we really want to take the time,
Speaker 1: uh with you, Sam, to understand we we've already we
Speaker 1: already know the story, right, people, We've walked through the story.
Speaker 1: We've been talking about it. Uh, this is not the
Speaker 1: first time that we've talked about Tennisia Chappelle on this show.
Speaker 1: But we're we've got to figure out what is next
Speaker 1: when you have a district attorney finding no wrongdoing even
Speaker 1: with seeing the videos. And I asked Rhnicia today, Um,
Speaker 1: did she did she know whether or not, uh the
Speaker 1: district attorney saw all of the same videos because perhaps
Speaker 1: they didn't have the information. She said, as far as
Speaker 1: she knows, they did. That's what she said, right, my son,
Speaker 1: as far as she knows, Yep, that's what she said.
Speaker 1: So welcome to the show. First of all again, And
Speaker 1: did they see those videos and then make the determination
Speaker 1: that there would be no criminal charges? Yeah? So thanks
Speaker 1: for having me. It's good to see all of y'all
Speaker 1: keeping I love I love following everybody on the Until
Speaker 1: Freedom team and everybody Street Politicians team. Um. Now let's
Speaker 1: get the business. So when we said district attorney, you know,
Speaker 1: these these folks got to realize that we're not talking
Speaker 1: about somebody you think like up in New York. We're
Speaker 1: talking about you know, Jackson County, Indiana. UM. You know
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Shaw Font there was probably one of five esecutors.
Speaker 1: He's also the prosecutor that charged Tunisia initially. UM. To
Speaker 1: give you the quick answer to your question is I
Speaker 1: highly doubt to me because that he looked at the
Speaker 1: damn thing. I think that this was cooked from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, the sheriff, you see him online,
Speaker 1: these buddies with the prosecutor, and then you look at
Speaker 1: this prosecutor, these buddies with Indiana State Police. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that Indiana State Police probably put together a
Speaker 1: narrative that he then you know, adopted, UM. And justice
Speaker 1: is not going to come from this guy or this county. UM.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the classic case, classic case for
Speaker 1: you know, Title eighteen USC. Two forty two. Deprivation of
Speaker 1: rights under color of law Federal criminal civil rights violation.
Speaker 1: If you're willful, you know, and you you make someone
Speaker 1: uh suffer in violation Fourth fourteen fifteenth Amendment, whatever it
Speaker 1: may be. You know, that's a crime. We've seen the video.
Speaker 1: That's what's going on here as criminal. M it's actually
Speaker 1: it's actually unbelievable, you know, and and and and that's
Speaker 1: what I was wondering, like what is the statute? So
Speaker 1: when you when you say those laws, there's literal statutes
Speaker 1: and laws that describe exactly what happened to Tunisia at tenisha, right,
Speaker 1: So when when you hear that, when you hear those
Speaker 1: that's exactly what you just said is exactly what I've
Speaker 1: seen as that woman laid inside the cell and screamed
Speaker 1: and cried and says she was dying. And then neglect,
Speaker 1: the direct neglect and intention to neglect, and it seemed
Speaker 1: that it came from a personal face. It seemed like
Speaker 1: there was anger, like they just had a disdain for
Speaker 1: this young woman. It just seems so intentional. It seems
Speaker 1: so intentional, my zign And yeah, I mean the verbatim
Speaker 1: language you know, actually makes the crime for any person
Speaker 1: acting under color of law. So that's our these are
Speaker 1: our officers. They're acting under color law, statute, ordinance, regulation,
Speaker 1: or custom to willfully deprive or cause to be deprived
Speaker 1: from any person those rights, privileges, or immunity secured or
Speaker 1: protected by the Constitution and the laws of the United States.
Speaker 1: Everybody has the right to medical care. When you're in
Speaker 1: the jail, if you need to see a doctor, you
Speaker 1: have a right to see that doctor. I mean, and
Speaker 1: you're exactly right. You watch this video, and you know
Speaker 1: it would be one thing, y'all. If we're talking about
Speaker 1: one guard who had it out for Teanisha, and you
Speaker 1: know he's ignoring her requests and we find out there's
Speaker 1: some personal bandetta ship that's still illegal, it's still a problem.
Speaker 1: But what's so wrong about this one is that it
Speaker 1: is systemic in there. I mean, you have female officers,
Speaker 1: you have male officers, You have inmates, you have a nurse,
Speaker 1: you have a jailer, you have all these people that
Speaker 1: don't give a ship that's a black woman is dying
Speaker 1: right in front of them. That's criminal, you know. And
Speaker 1: the thing is they have a legal obligation to kids,
Speaker 1: right These offers us and these nurses, they legally are
Speaker 1: bonded to care like it is disgusting to hear the inmates,
Speaker 1: who you know, are dealing with probably their own mental
Speaker 1: trauma who are dealing with that. But they don't really
Speaker 1: have an obligation, right, But when we talk about these officers, legally,
Speaker 1: they are obligated. It's part of your job to make
Speaker 1: sure that someone gets your medical attention. I've been I'm
Speaker 1: formerly incarcerated, and I understand every time that we went
Speaker 1: to that bubble and say hey, I need medical attention,
Speaker 1: they had to call and get us medical attention. They
Speaker 1: not to tell you that you have to wait, especially
Speaker 1: when you're telling them that it's a life of death situation.
Speaker 1: But what about But what about this narrative that well
Speaker 1: people people fake sickness all the time, and you know,
Speaker 1: we don't know who's telling the truth or who's not.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm gonna make sure Sam that what you're
Speaker 1: saying because I and when I say people, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about what the jails say. I'm talking about on
Speaker 1: my own social media account. And when I've been talking
Speaker 1: to other people advocating for Tanisha, I've had people say
Speaker 1: to me, well, how would they know she was really
Speaker 1: sick because people fake all the time. What what's your
Speaker 1: response to that? Well, my response is a lot of things.
Speaker 1: You know, first of all, just to just just to correct,
Speaker 1: you know, or just to make sure people understand too.
Speaker 1: Tennisia was a pre trial detainee. So you know, even
Speaker 1: if you were imprisoned and you're you know, and you're convicted,
Speaker 1: you know, you start, you still have your constitutional rights.
Speaker 1: But Tanisha, she was just being held. She had every
Speaker 1: right that every human being outside of jail has. But
Speaker 1: this whole narrative that we hear of all mates might fake,
Speaker 1: This might thake that we're not talking about ten minutes
Speaker 1: of Tennisia here saying I'm sick to my stomach, you know,
Speaker 1: take me to the hospital, and them saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about eight thirty at night, I'm throwing up blood.
Speaker 1: I've got the jail policies. I've got the American Correctional
Speaker 1: Association policies. Any policy that you pull up that's gonna
Speaker 1: guide how nurses and doctors are supposed to do their job.
Speaker 1: Tell you the blood and vomit is a big damn deal.
Speaker 1: Then we've got officers that see the vomit in the blood.
Speaker 1: Then we've got her jaundyston turning yellow. Then we've got
Speaker 1: her literally stumbling trying to push something on the wall
Speaker 1: that she thinks is the call buzzer. That's not the
Speaker 1: call buzzer while she's naked, other than the fact that
Speaker 1: she's got you know, her nettie's on that are covered,
Speaker 1: you know, in her green waist and she collapses on
Speaker 1: the ground. This is you know, this is basic humanity here.
Speaker 1: You know, this is basic humanity. People with their pets
Speaker 1: would not let them suffer through that. Yet this woman
Speaker 1: right here was being looked at on camera. She was
Speaker 1: looked at, being looked at by inmates, she was being
Speaker 1: looked at by guards, she was being looked at by
Speaker 1: a nurse. And they're all just turning their cheek and
Speaker 1: going the other way. So I don't want to hear
Speaker 1: that excuse from people that, oh, well, you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta take inmates that you know, you can't take them
Speaker 1: at face value because they're all saying they're sick. This
Speaker 1: woman was sick. My nine year old could have looked
Speaker 1: at her and said, Daddy, she needs to go to
Speaker 1: the hospital now, and and and and that's just that's
Speaker 1: some bullshit, right If I say I'm sick, you don't
Speaker 1: get determined with them. I'm telling the truth from that,
Speaker 1: that's that's part of the job. Every time an inmate
Speaker 1: of prisoner, it says that this sick is your job
Speaker 1: to find out whether it's sick or not, and that's
Speaker 1: part of the job. Did the nurse see her physically? Oh,
Speaker 1: let's talk about this nurse. So first of all, he's
Speaker 1: you know, I've talked to like fifty former inmates in
Speaker 1: this place, and you know, they all got things that
Speaker 1: kind of bounce around a little bit. But the one
Speaker 1: common theme is that this nurse is a piece of ship. Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, he does not care about these people in
Speaker 1: this jail. And you know, he's an LPN, so he's
Speaker 1: not even an r N so, but yet they got
Speaker 1: him in there playing doctor and he gets it. Sucks
Speaker 1: to make it, but I mean, you know, you know
Speaker 1: these takes is it always you know, you always see
Speaker 1: a racial component, you always see a financial component, you know,
Speaker 1: and in this right here, you know there is a
Speaker 1: you know, there is deliberate indifference to her because of
Speaker 1: the color of her skin. Period. But there's also this
Speaker 1: nerve in this jail that charged fifteen bucks a pipe
Speaker 1: for everything they do. So what they do is they'll,
Speaker 1: you know, they'll they'll pretend to be looking at you.
Speaker 1: But then they'll say, come on in later so they
Speaker 1: can charge with fifteen dollars a pie. Well with her,
Speaker 1: you know this nurse. Just so you know, two people
Speaker 1: call they you know, they reached out to the nurse
Speaker 1: the night before she died and said, hey, we've got
Speaker 1: two people complaining of illness. One's got chest pain, the
Speaker 1: other one's bomiting blood. He's sends the white person to
Speaker 1: the hospital and tells her, you know, says Tenacians. Just
Speaker 1: gotta wait till the morning. Um. The nurse comes in
Speaker 1: to see her at and she immediately said says to him,
Speaker 1: I've got sickle cell disease. I've got ulcers. We got
Speaker 1: the recording. You can hear it. She's barely audible. He
Speaker 1: doesn't give a damn. He says, okay, you know, make
Speaker 1: sure somebody brings her, you know, a pepto bismol or
Speaker 1: a tailing all or something, and then he leaves. He's
Speaker 1: gone after that for hours. But then he does come
Speaker 1: back to third and you know what he does. He says,
Speaker 1: put your clothes on so I can come out here,
Speaker 1: you know, walk out here so I can see you. Well,
Speaker 1: she can't. She can't physically do it. So he comes
Speaker 1: back into Nils at it. Mr Chapelle, get your clothes on.
Speaker 1: You can't do it. So the third time, you gotta
Speaker 1: put your clothes on and get out of here, or
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go back and doing my thing and
Speaker 1: to make a heat. That's exactly what he did. He
Speaker 1: went out to do in his damn thing because she
Speaker 1: was sitting there so weak on camera where she could
Speaker 1: not get up, and that's it. He doesn't see her again.
Speaker 1: That's it. Those are two Those were his interactions with
Speaker 1: her that day period. It's disgusting. It's it's completely disgusting
Speaker 1: just just hearing this, like to literally see it. It's
Speaker 1: worse we just hearing this. It's just like, what kind
Speaker 1: of human being like we have? We? How do we
Speaker 1: travel so far from morality? And you know this more
Speaker 1: compass that we should have as human beings that that
Speaker 1: ship like this is just okay, but it's not a
Speaker 1: far it's not it's not traveling far. Unfortunately, we as
Speaker 1: black people have experience this type of murder and abuse
Speaker 1: since we first were trafficed here to this country, and
Speaker 1: it hasn't ended. And the prison system has been a
Speaker 1: continuation of that abuse. And what is really startling to me, Sam,
Speaker 1: is that they knew there were cameras and they still
Speaker 1: did this with it all being recorded. That didn't change
Speaker 1: for them, like, well, we have to be more careful
Speaker 1: on camera. They still basically killed this woman right there
Speaker 1: in broad day, Like would it be in tape? Then? Now,
Speaker 1: let me just ask you, and I know you have
Speaker 1: to go because we want to get one more thing
Speaker 1: from you. But what now? So I know we said
Speaker 1: the feds have to get involved, but what type of
Speaker 1: charges are we looking for to be filed you know,
Speaker 1: or to you know how who? How do the indictments work?
Speaker 1: Like if you had it perfectly? What would you see
Speaker 1: happening here? Yeah? If I so, if I had this perfectly,
Speaker 1: you know, it would be filed under the statue that
Speaker 1: I just gave you, which is a deforation rights. It's
Speaker 1: a you know, think civil rights from a criminal standpoint.
Speaker 1: You know, calls to action d o J. They've got.
Speaker 1: You know, they like to hold their cards close to
Speaker 1: their chest. I know that there's people in there looking
Speaker 1: at it. Um. You know, the sheriff runs for reelection
Speaker 1: this year. His ass needs to go. You know he
Speaker 1: needs to go. Um, you know, Tennisia was in there,
Speaker 1: put in there on a fifty dollar bond then anything.
Speaker 1: It needs a damn bond schedule. I mean she she
Speaker 1: was charged with shoplifting and running from a police officer
Speaker 1: to pull the gun on her, and she got hit
Speaker 1: with a PI bond. There needs to be a bond
Speaker 1: schedule in in the end, people need to be able
Speaker 1: to get out. Um. You know, there's there's definitely hopefully
Speaker 1: Justice for Tennisia dot com should be up that weekend
Speaker 1: and it'll have a call to action, um where people
Speaker 1: can definitely just at least consent to you know, or
Speaker 1: not consent but authorized sending emails and mailers and just
Speaker 1: putting some pressure on because there's just not a pressure
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, it's not enough pressure, not at all.
Speaker 1: Not that's likely. Man. I just think that, like I said,
Speaker 1: the world should be screaming, bloody murder man. The way
Speaker 1: that this woman was treated and not treated, it's just unacceptable. Man.
Speaker 1: So you know, you know you got us, and you
Speaker 1: know we're gonna be right here. We've already committed to
Speaker 1: the family that we're gonna make sure that we're yelling
Speaker 1: and screaming and whoever, whoever will listen, we're gonna let
Speaker 1: them know about this situation. Yeah, I mean absolutely, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you all so much. Long live Tekenisia Chapelle's memory,
Speaker 1: and maybe we all fight for her the way we
Speaker 1: fought for everyone else, because she deserves it and we
Speaker 1: cannot allow ourselves to to to claim this mindset that well,
Speaker 1: you know, she was in jail, so it's different from
Speaker 1: though it's not different, it is the same because if
Speaker 1: you let these people tell the story, Brianna Taylor was
Speaker 1: a drug queen pen somehow, George Floyd was had counterfeit
Speaker 1: money and was on drugs. Every time, I mean, I
Speaker 1: could go, ahmad, are Very was committing some type of crime?
Speaker 1: Dante right, you know, was he had? And then everybody's
Speaker 1: a criminal. Everybody's a criminal. They see every black person
Speaker 1: as a criminal, and they try to tell that story first,
Speaker 1: even both of them. John wasn't in the right apartment.
Speaker 1: I mean, every time they come up with something, and
Speaker 1: speaking of Brianna Taylor, before you go, if you could
Speaker 1: just give us a few moments on what's been happening
Speaker 1: with Brett Hankinson and this trial, This this kangaroo court
Speaker 1: situation and that's going on being Louisville. Um, we we
Speaker 1: appreciate that little update. Yeah, it's a good little segue.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the police playbook, you know, following um,
Speaker 1: you know, the the murder you know, a black woman
Speaker 1: or a black man. Then all of a sudden, they
Speaker 1: spend you know, the first fifteen minutes demonizing the you know,
Speaker 1: the you know, the dead victim. Um, well we got
Speaker 1: is demonizing going on in the Agasy Port right now.
Speaker 1: I mean, don't forget this case is being tried by
Speaker 1: the same Attorney General's office that you know, the same
Speaker 1: Daniel Cameron's office that pulled that ship in September of
Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty, that you know puts him at
Speaker 1: the bottom. You know, if I had a ship list
Speaker 1: like he's, he's literally number one. Um. And when we
Speaker 1: talk about you know, what's going on over there, it's
Speaker 1: a sham to maka. I mean, you know it should
Speaker 1: be a two hour you know, it should be a
Speaker 1: two hour trial at max. You get a couple of
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of firearms people up there to say, um,
Speaker 1: they're trained, you know, to have target acquisition and not
Speaker 1: shoot blindly and this dude just shot through a door.
Speaker 1: You know, they couldn't see it was red list should
Speaker 1: be convicted instead. What they're doing over there is they're
Speaker 1: putting on things allowing people to say that to make
Speaker 1: you love. This one they put on they literally tried
Speaker 1: to say that to make a Palmer and her family
Speaker 1: because they had access to the apartment. Afterwards, they're trying
Speaker 1: to insinuate that there was money and dope in there
Speaker 1: and that they stole it out of it. That's what's
Speaker 1: going on in the ship show of a trial right now.
Speaker 1: It is unbelievable. But what does that have to do
Speaker 1: because first of all, to be clear, this is not
Speaker 1: a trial that really has anything to do with Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor at all, the fact that it happened, um, you know,
Speaker 1: the night that she was murdered. But this is about
Speaker 1: what is it called in daint What is that? I
Speaker 1: just learned that it's about wanting endangement for three bullets
Speaker 1: going into the going into the White neighbors park. I'm
Speaker 1: going into the White neighbor's apartment. That's what Brett Hankinson
Speaker 1: is on trial for it now. And what you're saying
Speaker 1: is that they are focused on still Brianna's family, trying
Speaker 1: to criminalize them, still trying to criminalize Brianna Taylor, rather
Speaker 1: than a clear and concise focus on what they charged
Speaker 1: him with, which is shooting recklessly through the walls. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: You know. I talked to I got a message from
Speaker 1: our our our girl, Anita Baker yesterday, you know, and
Speaker 1: she was like, you know, and she made a good observation.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the Attorney General is trying to allow
Speaker 1: a case to go on. Well, let all this stuff
Speaker 1: come in that may exonerate them from criminal scrutiny and
Speaker 1: the federal and the federal investigation. It's crazy, Like, it's
Speaker 1: absolutely crazy. It's um it's he's a sellout to sham,
Speaker 1: but it's also very strategic. Thank you, Sam. We appreciate,
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Man. We love you man. See you guys
Speaker 1: soon hopefully, yes you will. All right. Likewise, we love you,
Speaker 1: see y'all. All right. That's how we owed it. That's
Speaker 1: how we owed it. It's just didn't make no sense, man.
Speaker 1: You know, It's just a lot man. We like, you know,
Speaker 1: we we have to deal with so we have so
Speaker 1: many different fights on so many different fronts every day.
Speaker 1: We go from Brianna Tunisia and you know the black women.
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about nag and it just it
Speaker 1: hurts me that black women have to deal with so much.
Speaker 1: It hurts me that disregard for Black women and so high.
Speaker 1: And I get dudes on like, oh, you'll be over
Speaker 1: here simping. It's just it's not simping. It's just just
Speaker 1: basic human It means that you just you know that
Speaker 1: you're trying to that you're um, you're being played by women.
Speaker 1: You solved, you're letting you know, you you're just trying
Speaker 1: to kiss up to a woman. You want to, you know,
Speaker 1: you want you just want women to think that you're
Speaker 1: on this side. You want to, You're easy. You'll push
Speaker 1: you over for a woman. That's what it is, pretty
Speaker 1: much being a push over for a women. It's for me.
Speaker 1: It's like we're supposed to be the protectors of our
Speaker 1: so like why would why would somebody have a problem
Speaker 1: with that? You know, like, of course I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: me what you want, but a woman should be feel
Speaker 1: protected in your presence, and when they don't feel protecting
Speaker 1: our presence, when they feel like they're endangering our presence,
Speaker 1: then that's when we're doing something wrong with me. But hey,
Speaker 1: what do I know? You know, what do I know?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm like maybe it's sometimes
Speaker 1: I really do question my own thinking and my own
Speaker 1: discernment because I'm really trying to say, like, if, if,
Speaker 1: how can you hear everything that has been said, see
Speaker 1: the videos and understand the situation and then not just
Speaker 1: be a full consensus that crime was committed. But evidently
Speaker 1: that's not the king. So you know, Tania Chappelle deserves better,
Speaker 1: and we all need to be standing up for her,
Speaker 1: for her honor and um, and really there are so
Speaker 1: many other people who are in these jails that if
Speaker 1: we fight for Technisian Chappelle, it will change, uh, the
Speaker 1: circumstances of others. If we're able to shape this system up.
Speaker 1: This can't. If they win this, they will kill another
Speaker 1: and another and another. And it's happening right now as
Speaker 1: we're sitting here. Um. But if we don't, if we
Speaker 1: don't make this a big deal and we don't use
Speaker 1: Technisian Chappelle as a catalyst for like a real expose
Speaker 1: of what's going on in Indiana, and across the nation.
Speaker 1: Then I don't know what our movement really means. And
Speaker 1: on on a light and note right, because this has
Speaker 1: been like a very very heavy episode. You know, a
Speaker 1: lot to unpack. But I just for my I don't
Speaker 1: get it, right, I do not get why in the
Speaker 1: hell do the Knicks keep destroying players? Like why do
Speaker 1: you like? What the hell is going on with the Knicks?
Speaker 1: Every time adult players, we get the best players and
Speaker 1: they come to the Knicks, and it's always turmoil. For me,
Speaker 1: it just never fails, Like, Yo, what the hell is
Speaker 1: wrong with the Knicks? My brother Kimber Walker man like
Speaker 1: Kimber is. Now they're saying that he's agreed to sit
Speaker 1: out for the rest of the season. He probably had
Speaker 1: his worst season in his whole career being with the Knicks.
Speaker 1: Came in. He at the topic, like what is it?
Speaker 1: I just do not get what And I think it's
Speaker 1: because of what they did to Patrick human. Yeah, ever
Speaker 1: since y'all did not let Patrick you went into that office,
Speaker 1: he didn't give him a coaching job. He gotta get
Speaker 1: hired at somewhere else. He had to go somewhere else. Now,
Speaker 1: he said, George, not since y'all did not let Patrick.
Speaker 1: You went into that office. It's been downhill ever since. Man,
Speaker 1: they did it to Margret, like all of the players
Speaker 1: that I loved went to the Knicks and they pretty
Speaker 1: much destroyed their careers. How long ago was the back?
Speaker 1: How long ago was the Patrick Ewan thing? Patrick Ewen
Speaker 1: was in the nineties. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: that like the mid nineties. I forgot what exactly when,
Speaker 1: but you and was one of the best players there,
Speaker 1: you know. And he when he retired in the nineties,
Speaker 1: he was supposed to He wasn't supposed to have to
Speaker 1: go nowhere else to get a job. They never hired Patrick.
Speaker 1: You ain't finally one of the most famous Knicks in history,
Speaker 1: and y'all would not hiring Patrick Ewing and callin said, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get your ass. Every player that come here,
Speaker 1: like like Ceeley said to you, do right by me
Speaker 1: everything you even think about, you know. And it's just terrible, man,
Speaker 1: shout out to my other people. Welcome And I know
Speaker 1: it's frustrating to come home being a Bronx native and
Speaker 1: coming home, you come home to your town like y'all
Speaker 1: want to play for my team. I want to ring,
Speaker 1: and then not even a whole season, like, not even
Speaker 1: the whole season, and this is what happens. Nick's gotta
Speaker 1: do better, man, Here's what I want to say. The
Speaker 1: karma definitely. I like the fact that you raised Patrick
Speaker 1: Ewing as a part of the karma. I didn't know
Speaker 1: that history. But um, it's important to note that the
Speaker 1: Knicks their ownership Jim Dolan. This is a man who
Speaker 1: has actively been engaged in oppressive behavior towards black and
Speaker 1: brown people, even outside of sports. Okay, that's a history
Speaker 1: we ain't got time to talk about today. But people
Speaker 1: should look Jim Dolan up and really understand the type
Speaker 1: of person that he is and the shady business that
Speaker 1: he has been involved in New York and around the nation.
Speaker 1: Remember he owned Cable vision um and the workers who
Speaker 1: were fighting there for their rights. It's been a lot,
Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't you know. I think the Patrick
Speaker 1: you and pieces, I didn't even know that, And that's
Speaker 1: like giving me new perspective and it actually helps me
Speaker 1: to it double down. It doubles down on my theory
Speaker 1: about Dolan. But I think when people do some research
Speaker 1: on who Jim Dolan is you might actually come away
Speaker 1: and say this guy is um part of the problem
Speaker 1: because the energy of the next um is not It's
Speaker 1: not healthy. It's not healthy. So you know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: our theory is wrong, but I think it's it's more
Speaker 1: to be said. I don't think it's just a sports thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's a God thing. Listen, that's what calma is.
Speaker 1: Calming is God just talking to you, God saying Okay, look,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you back. Now. You ain't gonna get
Speaker 1: away with nothing. You might not get into wash. You
Speaker 1: donna get an the wrench man. So man shout out
Speaker 1: to Kimberg in man Nix, you better get this on. Man.
Speaker 1: Y'all need to get some some sage. They need to money,
Speaker 1: they need sage outside the garden or something, because it's
Speaker 1: just it just don't make no sense. Man, it don't
Speaker 1: make no sense. And now it's time for us to go. Man.
Speaker 1: Another powerful episode. We appreciate all our guests. Rhoenicia Um
Speaker 1: Sam Aggar. You know and just I know that you
Speaker 1: watched this video and if you were watching it, you
Speaker 1: know if you listen and then you din you heard
Speaker 1: what if you were watching it and seeing the visuals
Speaker 1: of this video, which is really just compelling. Man, We've
Speaker 1: got to continue to say te Nicia Chappelle's name. We
Speaker 1: make we need the world to fight that, to fight
Speaker 1: to make sure that she receives justice and the people
Speaker 1: who allowed her and pretty much get steered her towards
Speaker 1: her death need to be held accountable, you know. So
Speaker 1: please make sure that we we we saying her name
Speaker 1: and you're doing everything. If you got the social media,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you do. Make sure that you're
Speaker 1: saying her name and making and tagging your favorite artists,
Speaker 1: your favorite UM athlete, everybody. We need everybody talking about
Speaker 1: Tennis Chappelle because she deserves to get the justice and
Speaker 1: deserves her name to be spoken and deserves to have
Speaker 1: accountability for what happened to her. So once again, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna always be right to mega, Marry is not
Speaker 1: gonna always be wrong, but we both always and I
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