1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:06,119 Speaker 1: Wow. So this week's classic episode we recorded it shortly 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: after the ascendancy of Pope Francis H, Pope of the 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Catholic Church. Uh. And you're like, how we specified that one? Uh? 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: When the current Pope attained this position or was elevated 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: to this seat. There was a proliferation of a certain 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: genre of conspiracy theory concerning an organization, a group known 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: as the Jesuits. That's correct, right after Ratzinger, right, and 8 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: the stuff is just flying all around about who are 9 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: who are the Jesuits? And in this episode we asked 10 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: that question. They're the ones that did all the sweeping, right, 11 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: m hmm, they swept steps. It was a thing we'll 12 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: find out well. In this episode we are going to 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: explore this group and find out more from UFOs two 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: Ghosts and government cover apps. History is riddled with unexplained events. 15 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn the stuff they 16 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: don't want you to now. Hello, welcome back to the show. 17 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben, and this is 18 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. Nice. Nice, Yeah, 19 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: We've we've been working on our budget and we figured 20 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: out the best way for us to do the kind 21 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: of sound effects and and music that you listeners have 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: come to no love and expect. The best way to 23 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: get the bank for our buck here is to yeah, 24 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: I have Matt do it? Is that cool? Yeah? That's 25 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: totally fine. That's that's also one of your one of 26 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: your favorite phrases to hear as an editor, right, or 27 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: as we call them predators here, It's one of your 28 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: favorite things to hear when someone says, oh, well we'll 29 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: fix it, you know, post in post. Yeah, that's that's 30 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: a great tactic, A good way to save money. Just 31 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: kick the can a little further further down the road. 32 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: But if we are talking about money, then this makes 33 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: me h. This makes me think of an interesting point 34 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: that we didn't really touch on in our videos this week. Uh, 35 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: the Jesuits are doing pretty well financially well, yeah, Ben, 36 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: what what's the best way to acquire wealth? The the 37 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: most efficient way to acquire wealth as a group or 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: a person? Oh well, to be a nonprofit or a 39 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,839 Speaker 1: religious organization, something exempt from taxation in some countries. That's 40 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: really good. You know. Another way, what's that? Um too? 41 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Have wealth given to you or passed down to you 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: from generation upon generation upon generation upon generation, and uh, 43 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: the group we're talking about today has been around for 44 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah. Today, ladies and gentlemen, we are talking 45 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: about the Society of Jesus, otherwise known as uh the Jesuits. 46 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: One thing that we found very interesting, both Matt and I, 47 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: was that as soon as the current Pope, as we 48 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: record this, uh, became the actual pope, Uh, there was 49 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: this huge resurgence of rumors and conspiracy theories about the 50 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: Society of Jesus. And I don't know about you, man, 51 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 1: but I had no idea that this was a long 52 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: running concept, you know. Um, So, so what do we 53 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: know about the Jesuits. Let's start with the history. So 54 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: to start with the Jesuits, let's let's look at the founder, 55 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Ignacious of Loyola. Now, this guy was a soldier in 56 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: the fifteen hundreds and he was wounded by a cannonball 57 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: that broke one of his legs pretty horribly, and um, 58 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: well it kind of led to the founding because of 59 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: his spiritual uh findings once when he was injured. And 60 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a little later. But Ignatius himself 61 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: was born October fourteen ninety three. His name at that 62 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: time was Inigo Lopez de Lawyer. Ah. Yeah, and uh, 63 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:27,279 Speaker 1: he was not always the most godly man, right. Uh, 64 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: he was a warrior man. Right. It's a very different 65 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: cast in that system. Now, the battle we mentioned in 66 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 1: the videos where he was wounded was the Battle of Pabolona, 67 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: which occurred in fifteen one. Now, during this process, he 68 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: was very close to death. Yeah, it was. It was 69 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: pretty grim. If you get injured in your legs, especially 70 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,920 Speaker 1: by a cannonball back in the day, there's not much 71 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: that can be done for you. Yeah, and this is 72 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: before the advent of modern medicine, what we would call 73 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: modern medicine. Um. So he survived, but he always would 74 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: have a limp despite several surgeries. And when they did 75 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 1: surgeries back in year old fifteen twenties, Uh, there was 76 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: an anesthetic. I mean there was booze. Yeah, bite this leather, 77 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: Bite this leather. Yeah. He read a book while he 78 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: was recovering. It took a very long time, and it 79 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: was a book called De Vita Christy, a commentary on 80 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: the life of Jesus Christ and on the Gospels. When 81 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: we're looking at this, it's weird is that it's like 82 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: this mixtape of sixty different other Christian writer's opinions about 83 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: the Gospels. Yeah, and this this book really triggered his conversion, 84 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: his religious conversion, and he was he says that he 85 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: had visions during this time that were, you know, leading 86 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: him in this direction. And in fifty three he made 87 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: a pilgrimage to the Holy Land um, but he wasn't 88 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: allowed to stay for more than a few days, and 89 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: they kind of shipped him back off to Europe. Right. Yeah, 90 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: the situation, Shan's pretty unsafe. You know, he's limping like 91 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: a madman. Uh in the situation. By the way, we 92 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: have the benefit of retrospect, the situation was unsafe for 93 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: everyone there. It wasn't just uh, you know, some some 94 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: group of totally innocent Europeans sitting around the Middle East. 95 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: There were some there were some hard cases on both sides, 96 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: and they thought he should not be there. He studied 97 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: at several universities for the next eleven years, Barcelona, uh Acala, Salamanca, Paris, 98 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: and in fifteen thirty four gets his crew together. I 99 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: don't think they call him cruise back. Then he gets 100 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: a group of friends and some followers and they take 101 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: two vows. They vow to commit themselves to poverty and chastity. 102 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Now those are two very important reoccurring themes that we'll 103 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: see in in the vowels and the the things that 104 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 1: are held sacred within the Society of Jesus. Now at 105 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: this point they did something interesting to me, at least, 106 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: they went to Rome and went directly to the Pope, 107 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: to Pope Paul the third, and they offered their services 108 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: to him. I imagine that being a pope. And then 109 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: this group of guys walk up. We're like, hello, Pope, um, 110 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: we we just want to do everything for you, anything 111 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: you need. And they seem to have this interesting slant 112 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: on security. Yeah. Their their idea is that they will 113 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: be directly answerable only to the Pope and only to 114 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: the head of their order, the who they called the 115 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: Superior General or whom they called the Superior General. So 116 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: in fifteen Pope Paul three, by the way, is down 117 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: for this. In fifteen forty, Ignacious of Loyola officially founds 118 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: the Society of Jesus UH and he's got the Pope 119 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: co signing him. So he writes simple rule for his 120 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: order UH. No specific form of dress, which was a 121 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: little bit controversial at the time, no regular commitment to 122 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: attend particular services. You know, some other orders have a 123 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: fairly specific uh schedule for lack of a better word, 124 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,559 Speaker 1: and Jesuits, as they came to be called, are free 125 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: to move fast wherever they're needed. And that means that 126 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: if if today Pope Francis contacts the Jesuit Order and 127 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: says I need people to do X, Y or Z, 128 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: then they want to have people ready to go mobile 129 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: and active at all times. Yeah, and this goes back 130 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: to now you'll recall there's some very important events in 131 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: Christian history during this time. Uh, the Jesuits were already 132 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: at the pope side, is like his cabinet and council 133 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: way back during the Council of Trent. Now here's the 134 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: crazy thing. By by the end of Loyola's life around 135 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: fifty six, this group has grown from just a small 136 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: group of friends that went to talk to the Pope 137 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: to over a thousand members. And that's some pretty huge growth, 138 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: especially for the time. Right, they are mainly at this 139 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: point in Europe where the task of the order is 140 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 1: teaching and arguing against the Protestant cause. But but they're 141 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: also going outside of the West. My friend to Latin 142 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: America to India, the ideas that they will aggressively, assertively 143 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: proselytize to the great unwashed. Yeah, and they're they're putting 144 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 1: up churches in these places and I mean some some 145 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: really interesting exploration that they're doing right. And they they 146 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: have a debatable, at times controversial involvement. Of course, students 147 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,959 Speaker 1: of history will recall that the Catholic churches involvement for 148 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: good and for ill in areas across the world during 149 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: the European expansion. But Matt, something that is interesting to 150 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: me that you earlier mentioned is that you said this 151 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: was sort of a military order. Well, yeah, they're focused 152 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: on security, so they kind of come to be known 153 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: as this military let's say arm, or like the right 154 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: the right arm of the Catholic Church. And they they 155 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: use their power and influence in that way. And you 156 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 1: may even hear these guys of the Jesuits called God's Soldiers, 157 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: which is pretty interesting, or even God's Marines. And officially 158 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: this is because Ignacious. You know, he was a soldier, 159 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 1: that's his background, that's what he was good at. Um 160 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: it kind of gave him, let's say, this organizational ability 161 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: and experience that you that you wouldn't usually find in 162 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: someone at this level or doing this kind of work. 163 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: And then then the order starts to just expand across 164 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: the planet. They're going to Brazil, Japan, all over the 165 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: place that it is. And okay, so this this loyalty 166 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: that they have deep rooted loyalty to the papacy, it's 167 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: kind of problematic for other groups, and the Jesuits are 168 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: seen as dangerous by a lot of other people right 169 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: inside and outside the church. And let's spend some time here, 170 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: because if you think about it, it does make sense. 171 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: Imagine you live in Japan and you all of a sudden, 172 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: have these Europeans never seen a European before? What the 173 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: heck is going on there? They come in and they say, 174 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, this is our religion. We're here to teach 175 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: you to read like civilized people. And of course, you, 176 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: being Japanese, say you guys should learn to read like 177 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: civilized people and speak Japanese. But it's strange because their 178 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: allegiance is to another European that you, as a Japanese person, 179 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: never ever met and probably won't. And they are answerable 180 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 1: only to this guy, to you, not to your authorities, 181 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: not to anybody else you the head of a religious order, right, 182 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: and for people within the church and other orders, this 183 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: is even stranger because you know how you've seen cop 184 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 1: movies or TV like procedural crime shows right where there's 185 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: always this scene when the local sheriff is mad that 186 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: the federal agent is coming in and busting his balls jurisdiction. Now, no, 187 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: this is NBI case. This is a CDC in here, 188 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: a t F here. Just want to check if there's 189 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 1: any tobacco as a tobacco related crime or alcohol maybe 190 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: have to intercede us. Yeah, don't tell anyone. We're not 191 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: supposed to function inside the US, but we're taking over. Yeah, exactly. 192 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: So this kind of game, and this is similar to 193 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: what happens when a Jesuit order Jesuit representatives on on 194 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: some sort of mission interact with local, uh, local Catholic authorities. 195 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: There can be this this weird thing where you say, well, 196 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: I am the priest of this church, this this community, 197 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: and it's my job to do X. And the Jesuits 198 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: come in and say, actually, big guy, we're talking to Paul. 199 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: We just call him Paul uh, and we're gonna we're 200 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: gonna take it from here. Well, and they had this 201 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: extra emphasis on mission work and education work, which kind 202 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: of put them at the fringes of I don't know 203 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: what you would call it, but where Catholicism really was 204 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: holding sway. So they were kind of this weird front 205 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: lines strong arm power. But at the same time, we're hey, 206 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: we're focusing on an education and we're just doing mission 207 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: work here. It's cool, guys, right, They weren't raising villages 208 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: to the ground. They were they were much more likely 209 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: to assimilate if they could and work with the existing 210 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: power structure of a place, which later became a problem. 211 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: But anyway, for all of these reasons, and these are reasons, 212 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: they were often the victims of rumors, speculation, accusations. Notice 213 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I didn't say wild accusations. I just said accusation. Yeah, 214 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: and it's kind of their fault. What what do you mean, Well, 215 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: they invented the system called causestry. It offered loopholes for 216 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: all sorts of really not good things. Okay, so it's 217 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: all right to lie if it's for the good of 218 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: the church. It's really helping to spread the truth of 219 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: the Gospel. Therefore, it's a lie in service of the truth. Therefore, 220 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: I'm not really in trouble stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, 221 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: good things like that. Uh right. And for an example 222 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: of the rumors that they would have, a guy in 223 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: France named Blaze Pascal wrote a book called or a 224 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: piece called Provincial Letters exposing what he said were abu 225 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: uses by the Jesuits and then other places all pretty 226 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: much all in Europe. There were controversies over Jesuit rights, 227 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: theological disputes, and they're close adherence to Rome, you know. 228 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: And okay, so let's just go back to about how 229 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: these guys are out on the fringes. So a lot 230 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: of people didn't see them in the way that maybe 231 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: they would have liked to be perceived, because they're not 232 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: working with any local groups, right at least from a 233 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: top down perspective, from where they get their orders. They 234 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: get their orders from way over there in Rome, just 235 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: the Pope and then their own general. They also worked 236 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: with suppressed Catholic communities that were under at that time 237 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: Protestant rule. Yeah that's a real conspiracy too. Yeah. Yeah, 238 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: if you're if you're living in a uh let's say, 239 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: an area where there is Protestant rule, and then you're 240 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: this tiny little Catholic community that's existing in there. The 241 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: Jesuits have your back, man, I mean, and that's a 242 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: cool thing to know, I guess at the time, Yeah, 243 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: you meet, they had people meeting in secret to conduct services, 244 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: and uh, there was a pretty good YouTube summation I 245 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: saw on this. Um oh, I wish I could remember 246 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: the guy's names. But there is a Jesuit YouTube channel 247 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: where they have where they have members of the Order 248 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: answering questions, explaining things, and they have a great video 249 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: about the idea of Jesuit conspiracy theories where they talk 250 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: about how there would be these little closets or secret 251 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: hideaways for priests and so uh, this, they argue, gave 252 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: rise to many of the later theories about the you know, 253 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: Jesuit World Order or something, because people would look at 254 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: these houses and say, oh, what, what's up with that 255 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: little hidden closet space and they would say, oh, that's 256 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: where we, you know, put the Jesuit priest. And that's 257 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: a weird thing to say to people, because we had 258 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: to take communion and we didn't have anybody and you know, 259 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: those proudest then, so always barging in, barging in looking 260 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: for communion opportunities anyway, So the Jesuits gained a lot 261 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: of influence. And this is as you said, because they 262 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: are educators and they are establishing schools that at a 263 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: time when there's not, you know, a really feasible public 264 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 1: school system. So they're getting the kids of the of 265 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: the wealthy, the kids of the influential, and they're molding 266 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: young minds. They're winning hearts and minds. It's quite brilliant. 267 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: We should start school. So church officials become increasingly concerned 268 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: about the power of the society of Jesus. They are 269 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: in the high circles the courts. You know, people have 270 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: what they would call like their court jesuit and stuff. Um, well, yeah, 271 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you see what I'm saying. I 272 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: see exactly what you're saying. So all of these fears 273 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 1: and rumors kind of culminated. On July seven, teen seventy three, 274 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: one Pope Clement dissolved the order. Oh man, that's tough. 275 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's pretty crazy. But by that point it's 276 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: already been officially abolished in a couple other places France, Spain. Um, 277 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: I think there might have been a couple more. But 278 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: Clement claimed that he was doing this only as a 279 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: move to make peace within the church because there was 280 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: a lot of tension, I see. So he said, nothing 281 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: personal for the good of the family. We're just gonna 282 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: comment down for a little bit. You guys aren't officially 283 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: the Jesuits anymore. But that didn't that didn't last for long. 284 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: Right in eighteen fourteen, the society was restored, and everybody 285 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: remember the name Clement fourteenth because we're gonna come back 286 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 1: to him. But that's you know, these are some of 287 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: the controversies. Is some of the history of Jesuits. What's 288 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: going on with him today? Well, you they have a website. 289 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: That's a that's another good thing, a good start. From 290 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: their official website. This is a quote. With close to 291 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: seventeen thousand and plus priests and brothers worldwide, we are 292 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: the largest male religious order in the Catholic Church. We 293 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: are pastors, teachers, and chaplains. We are also doctors, lawyers, astronomers, 294 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: among many other roles in church and society. In our 295 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: varied ministries, we care for the whole person, body, mind 296 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: and soul, and especially in our education ministries, we seek 297 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: to nurture men and women for others. Now as members 298 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: of a religious order. The Jesuits take three vows. None 299 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: of them are the fake vow that is all over 300 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: the internet. As far as we know, there three vows 301 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: or poverty, chastity, and obedience, And when you were fully 302 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: initiated into the order, there's a fourth vow of obedience, 303 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:53,239 Speaker 1: specifically in regard to the worldwide mission of bringing the 304 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: world closer to Christ. And that last one is just 305 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: that kind of vow. It's very serious in this context. 306 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:07,440 Speaker 1: But every every religion has that same goal. I would argue, well, yeah, 307 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 1: most most religions in some way, uh, proselytize, but not 308 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: I mean not all most religious I think either proselytize 309 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: or attempt to maintain in an insular coherence. Although that 310 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 1: that's a little bit overwritten for me to say it 311 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: that way. You know, it's weird. Is right, as I 312 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: was reading that, my energy is going up and I 313 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: felt like an advertisement on a radio station you know 314 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: where they're they're like the first ever Jesuit Pope, Pope Francis. Sorry, guys, 315 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: those are advertisements we hear all the time for clubs 316 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. God and I heard one coming in. But yeah, 317 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 1: but it is. It is a huge, unprecedented event, and 318 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: it's one of the reasons that so many people have 319 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: been coming out of the would work saying, you know 320 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: the thing about the jessual once it was wooa Which 321 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: leads us to Matt my favorite part of this show. 322 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of these theories. Here's where it 323 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: gets crazy. Yes, Matt, here's where it gets crazy. But 324 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: first we have something that I need to ask you about. 325 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: Oh all right, all right, man, I'm gonna level with you. 326 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: So you're more savvy than I am about the Internet 327 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: and podcast and all the other things that people do, 328 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, and their free time. And I have a 329 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: problem because I want to read more, but I don't 330 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: have too much time to read. I'm always like in 331 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: the car driving, uh, working out. Humble brag, But all 332 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: right whatever. But well, hey, I got a solution for you. Yeah, 333 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: there's no buts about this. There's this thing called audible 334 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: dot com. Have you ever heard of this? Maybe so been. 335 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: At audible dot com. You can download over one hundred 336 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: and fifty thousand audio books so that you can, you know, 337 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: you can work out as much as you want. You 338 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: could go driving, you could go to I don't know 339 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: where you want to go to Las Vegas? Well yeah, 340 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: usually well, heck man, you could listen to like at 341 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: least two full audio books, like so, I've got a 342 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: question audio book and when is this kind of book 343 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: for people's ears? That's exactly what it is. All right. Well, 344 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: I'm back up to speed, and it's a good thing 345 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: because I have a lot of stuff to check out here. 346 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: You guys know, if you are longtime listeners to this 347 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: show that Matt and I have always enjoyed recommending books. 348 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: And as we're looking through Audible today, we're trying to 349 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: find some recommendations for stuff you could get, because since 350 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: there are over a hundred thousand choices, you've got a 351 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: lot to wade through. And we found something that we 352 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: think you will enjoy if you enjoy history, a little 353 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 1: bit of skull duggery, a little bit of conspiratorial stuff. Um, 354 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: it's called the Jesuit and the skull evolution and the 355 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: search of peaking Man. Yes, so this goes back to 356 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: December nine in a cave near Pee King, a group 357 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: of anthropologists and archaeologists, including a young French Jesuit priest 358 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: named Pierre Dan. How did day chardin I can't do 359 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: it as well as Matt can. Anyway, they uncover a 360 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: pre human skull. It quickly becomes known around the world 361 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 1: is the Peaking Man, and it was acclaimed as the 362 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: missing link between erect hunting apes and chrome magnets. It 363 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: also became a provocative piece of evidence and the royaling 364 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: debate over creationism versus evolution. So, guys, if you want this, 365 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: or if you're interested in any of this, go to 366 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: audible podcast dot com slash stuff. They don't want you 367 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, that's our huge show name right there 368 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: at the end. Uh, And you can get your free 369 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: audible download. You can get a free one of these. 370 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: You can download the Jesuit in the Skull right now 371 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: if you want to. It doesn't have to be the 372 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: Jesuit in the Skull. You can get any one of 373 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: these books. Uh. This is just one that we thought 374 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: was interesting and that we are probably going to download. 375 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: And you know, man, if you have to type out 376 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: that whole web address audible podcast, dot com forward slash stuff, 377 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know, I feel like you 378 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: are owed a book for that's right, that is right. 379 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: We appreciate it and I'm sure Audible appreciates it. Well, 380 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: just let us know if you guys have a book 381 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: that you would like us to recommend to the rest 382 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: of the listening audience out here. And now the moment 383 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 1: that at least I've been waiting for. I don't know 384 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 1: if we all have. Yeah, yeah, okay, good, let's get 385 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: weird with it. Let's talk about some of this crazy 386 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: stuff we're alluding to. Jesuits Matt have been accused of 387 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: being assassins, of killing everybody from distant priests to actual 388 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: popes and even US presidents. What yeah, what indeed? Okay, 389 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: so let's talk about a couple of these. Ben let's 390 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: go back to Pope Clement the fourteen who spoke about earlier. 391 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,399 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well remember he signed those documents and 392 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: the Jesuits were dissolved officially seventeen seventy three or something. Well, 393 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: you know, just I mean, I guess it happens. He 394 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: fell ill, just got a little sick, and he died, 395 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: and according to a lot of legends, his last words were, quote, 396 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: I am dying. It is a very dangerous thing to 397 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: attack the Jesuits. Ah yeah, it's According to solving the 398 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: Mystery of Babylon the Great by a guy named Edward Hendry. 399 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: And what's strange about this is the timing because the Pope, 400 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: Pope Clement passed away in September of that year and 401 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: it was during the summer of that year that he 402 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: dissolved the order. And you'll see various bits of evidence 403 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: are alleged evidence about this. But but it's interesting. One 404 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: that's a little further out there too is Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, 405 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: this idea dates as far back as eighteen eighty six, 406 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: when a guy named Charles Chiniquy wrote fifty years in 407 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: the Church of Rome alleging that the Catholic Church killed 408 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. Wow. Why though, Uh, people dismiss the claim today, 409 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: at least for Lincoln, but not so much for Clement. 410 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: The Clement claim do, especially because of the timeline, like 411 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: you just said, Uh, seems to be a little more 412 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: interesting to people and maybe have a little more weight. 413 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,239 Speaker 1: It should also be noted that John Wilkes Booth was 414 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:36,439 Speaker 1: not a Catholic. Okay, John was Booth, the assassin of 415 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln. So that's that's interesting, the assassination stuff. And 416 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm hoping that I can get some more primary sources 417 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: to figure out what the story is with Clement fourteen. 418 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 1: I mean, make no mistake, the idea that uh, the 419 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: Jesuits would ever assassinate a pope is seems very strange 420 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 1: and against their harder and exactly opposite, right, Yeah, it's 421 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: literally the opposite. So this is dismissed um in in 422 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: the mainstream. Categorically there aren't There are not you know, 423 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: historians or professors who say, oh, yeah, they killed him, Buddha, 424 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,959 Speaker 1: don't tell anybody, all right, But I would say, you know, 425 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: if you just got dissolved and you want to still 426 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: be the Jesuits, if you take one pope out, guess 427 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: what happens another pope comes in. Yeah, I don't you know. 428 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: I'm still again looking into this, but we'd like to 429 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: hear what you think, readers, and why. Uh. And that's 430 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: just one conspiracy theory about Jesuits. There's the other one 431 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: that they actively work to subvert world governments to Catholicism. Yeah. Well, 432 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: here's the thing, ben It kind of already happened in 433 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 1: South America at least a yes, when the Europeans began 434 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: colonizing and in some cases terrorizing native people of South 435 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: America specifically. Uh, well, Jesuits did actively work to win 436 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 1: people over to Catholicism. But again, a lot of these 437 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: claims rise up when there's a lot of anti Jesuit 438 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,959 Speaker 1: sentiment at the time. Oh yeah, anti Catholic sentiment. You know. 439 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 1: It's funny. I was talking to uh, some friends of 440 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: ours that are a little bit older, and they were 441 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: telling me about the big controversy when JFK was elected president, 442 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: especially in Boston, you know, him being Catholic. A lot 443 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 1: of this stuff came up, you know, and they would say, oh, well, 444 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: now the United States just works for the pope because 445 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: the president is Catholic. Oh man, well, okay, So here's 446 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 1: the Here is one of the most important ones for me. 447 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: This right here stems from the alleged oath, the secret 448 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: oath that has been around the internet that we talked about, 449 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: that the Jesuits can and will commit any number of 450 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: sins and or crimes according to their secret oaths, including 451 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: actively lying about this right here. Ah. So the oath 452 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: is literally stuff they don't want you to know. It's 453 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: okay to lie about the oath where you say it's 454 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: okay to lie. Yeah, a little bit that goes that 455 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: goes to that secret oath that we discussed. Oh yeah, 456 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: this comes from a work called the Monita Strata, which 457 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,239 Speaker 1: I am probably mispronouncing, and we found we found some 458 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: people who made a fairly good case that this was 459 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: a forgery. But uh, it's a forgery that almost reads 460 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: like satire. It's that far out there. And you can 461 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: find out more about that in our video on in 462 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: both of our videos actually that came out this week 463 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: about the Jesuits. And then there's the idea that, of course, 464 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: if the Pope tells them to do something, they do 465 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 1: it and it does not matter what it is. So 466 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: the Pope could say, hey, kill that guy and they 467 00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: would say cool, you know they really all right, that's 468 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: the idea, right, um. And then we should differentiate which 469 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: popes we're talking about, right, because there's a there's another one, right. Well, 470 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: you got the Pope and the real Pope, the Pope, 471 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: the one that exists, uh, and then you got the 472 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: Black Pope, which is a nickname given to the Superior General, 473 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: the leader of the Jesuit Order. In a earlier video, Matt, 474 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: you and I talked about Pope John Paul the first, right, 475 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, man, I just have these images of that 476 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 1: new show on Adult Swim, Black Jesus but with Black Pope, 477 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: and I just think that that would be funny and 478 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: Adult Swim you should make a sequel. Now that the 479 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: name black Pope in this case is uh not a 480 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: name that the Catholic Church necessarily condones. It's a bit 481 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: of a pejorative and it's not exactly compliment um. It 482 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: started out as a nickname that came from the plain 483 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: black robes that the Jesuit Order would wear. But it 484 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: also came and I think it stems mainly from Protestants 485 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: in the sixteenth century saying that this guy, the Superior 486 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: General the Jesuits was a shadow Pope, which I think 487 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: sounds even cooler than black Pope, who may wield too 488 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: much influence on the working of the Vatican and the 489 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: working of local governments. In our Pope John Paul the 490 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: first video, we talked about the conspiracy theory that John 491 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: Paul the First was assassinated at the order of the 492 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: Black Pope because he was cleaning up the financial dealings 493 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: of the Church, which for decades, if not centuries, have 494 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: been notoriously I'm not gonna say corrupt, but I will say, um, obscure, obscured, Okay, 495 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: I'll go with that, like hidden the fans where it 496 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: would be a cult, uh, because occult just means a 497 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: hidden thing, right. So these uh, these finances notoriously inscrutable 498 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: and the guy who is delving into them to clean 499 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: him up and he dies. You've got to check out 500 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: the video if you haven't yet. It's a it's a 501 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: very interesting story. I agreed. So let's look at behind 502 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: the scenes with some of these theories that are out there. This, 503 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: here's where it's this, here's where it gets crazy stuff. 504 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: Well it's uh, it's kind of sad bend. But a 505 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: lot of this stuff it seems at least to be 506 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: religious discrimination. I see, yeah, just because it's a group 507 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: that is easy to uh so mistrust about. And it 508 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 1: makes sense. They're really powerful at the time, too super 509 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: powerful group, and you know, I think there's a lot 510 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: of fear when there's power involved. Oh yeah, definitely. I 511 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: mean I can't even handle being the first car in 512 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: line at a traffic stops. You know, I'm a megalomaniac 513 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: at that point, are you kidding? I'm Kanye West of 514 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: the boulevard meets the avenue. When Van hits that front line, 515 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna go slow and you're gonna like 516 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: the music. I'm playing really lovely with the music down. 517 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: Is that true? Um? That was you man. So we 518 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: know that there are examples of this. To what we're 519 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: seeing is that these kind of accusations have gone from 520 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: pretty much the late fifteen hundreds uh, all the way 521 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: from World War two UH to UH where for example, 522 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: Nazis also used anti Jesuit propaganda to try to discredit 523 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: the Catholic Church in Germany. UH. And you know, honestly, 524 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: if we're being completely honest, Matt, it is true from 525 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 1: everything we found that the Society of Jesus has at 526 00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: different times certainly been hungry for power and garnered political influence. Yeah. 527 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: And you know, they had this emphasis on education, so 528 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: it was probably viewed that, you know, they're trying to 529 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: just completely convert massive suaves of whatever country you're in. 530 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I can see how that would be a 531 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: little scary. Well, there was an interesting there was an 532 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: interesting Um, I guess at the time it was a 533 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: debacle in China when the Society of Jesus was doing 534 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: mission work there because they assimilated so well into the 535 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: local culture and the circles of power that the controversial 536 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: choice they made, which the Pope did not care for, 537 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: was that they said, okay, well, if you were Christian 538 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 1: and you still want to participate in traditional Confucian rights, 539 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,239 Speaker 1: that's fine with us, because it's a cultural thing. We 540 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: think it's cultural. We don't think it's religious. Uh. You know, 541 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 1: our guys can participate in it too, and they got 542 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: in quite a bit of trouble for that. Uh. And 543 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: also you know, it shows dissension in the ranks. But 544 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: with all this that I don't know about you, this 545 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: is one of my favorite parts of the show, right 546 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,760 Speaker 1: up there with the let's talk about the crazy stuff. 547 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: That's where I get to ask you what you think 548 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: about this? This whole thing? Man? You love it, don't 549 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: you love making me sit here and think really hard, 550 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,840 Speaker 1: not just asking yeah, well, man, I I don't know. 551 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: This is a tough one for me because you know, 552 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 1: anytime you bring religion in UM and I'm not trying 553 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: to be disrespectful to anyone, but I think about power, 554 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: and I think about UM a lot of times. Great 555 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: amounts of wealth and then when you add this group 556 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 1: that in my eyes at this point doesn't seem to 557 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,400 Speaker 1: be as evil as a lot of the rumors and 558 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories would say, and not even close to that. 559 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: I would say that they probably do have a lot 560 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: of power still even now. Yeah, it's the largest male 561 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: order of the Catholic Church. Still right. And you know, 562 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: as far as vow goes, you got me on that one. 563 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you one way or the other. But 564 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: everything that we found seems to point to it being 565 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: a forgery. Yeah, we I know that we ruffled some 566 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: feathers a little bit when we said this thing is 567 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: a forgery. But if we find something and we have 568 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 1: compelling evidence that it is true or not true, then 569 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: it is sort of our job. We we can't and 570 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 1: by sort of I mean definitely actually our job. We 571 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: can't pretend that we don't know that kind of thing. 572 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: I'm interested in this too. This was really a sticky 573 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: subject for us because, as you said, we typically avoid religion. Now. 574 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: I know that there are listeners out there saying, wait, 575 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: you guys have done a number of videos on different 576 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: things about the Catholic Church, but typically what we're covering 577 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: when we do. That would be something like a political activity, 578 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,880 Speaker 1: an event us and yeah, an assassination or an explanation 579 00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: about you know, the Vatican secret archives, which are a 580 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,399 Speaker 1: real thing but don't exactly mean what you think they mean. Yes, 581 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: you you kind of gave an overview, but you gotta 582 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: tell me what you think. I am certain that over 583 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: the history of this organization there have been various laws broken. 584 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: And uh, when I say this organization, I mean specifically 585 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: the Society of Jesus at times, because you know, it's 586 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: been around for so long and there have been so 587 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,839 Speaker 1: many people, and uh, they have successfully paved the way 588 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,760 Speaker 1: for a lot of things, especially education. I mean, Jesuit 589 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: schools are still amazing today, right. Uh. But clearly you 590 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,440 Speaker 1: can't have an organization of that size, of that power 591 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: for that long without somebody doing something wrong. It's just 592 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: the nature of human beings. Now. As for whether, uh, 593 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: the Society of Jesus is out to embark upon a 594 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: global crusade to take over the world and make every 595 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: single person Catholic, I think fit that's a little bit. 596 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. That's like it just doesn't make sense 597 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: to me because if that were the case, then given 598 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: that they've been around for so long, we would have 599 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: seen more of that. What we're seeing now are overall 600 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: quite a few people dedicating their lives to traveling to 601 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: some pretty rough places in the world and trying to 602 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: educate people and raise money to meet survival needs. And 603 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,120 Speaker 1: these guys, you know, when they when they join, they 604 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: take the vow of poverty and chastity, um, both of 605 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: which I would personally have a hard time subscribing to. 606 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 1: So I respect people, you know, I respect people when 607 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: they have a code of ethics. But I still we 608 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: walked away from this video series and I just want 609 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 1: to know more. So I've ordered a couple more books 610 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: actually about the Jesuits, and I'm gonna be extensively real 611 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 1: in them because I just want to know it's there's 612 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 1: some there. There's so many stories. And we found a 613 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 1: few that were true, right uh, And we found a 614 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:15,160 Speaker 1: few that we think are likely false. But we're barely 615 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: scratching the surface. He had not even close, not even 616 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,040 Speaker 1: to made a dent to my friend buddy, It's okay, 617 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 1: we will, we may, we may come back. Let's do 618 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: a little more research. What do you say? All right, 619 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm on board if you are my friends. 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