1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: From UFOs two, Ghosts and government cover ups. History is 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to now. No, 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: not exactly. A man of the people, also known as 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: Vigo the Cruel, Vigo the Torturer, Vigo the Despised, and 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: Vigo the Unholy. Wasn't he also Vigo the butch and 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: dig this There was a prophecy just before his head died. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: His last words were, death is but a door, Time 9 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: is but a window. I'll be back, While Vigo was 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: really stepping on Schwarzenegger's toes or I guess inversely somehow 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: with that last line. There By the way, my name 12 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: is Matt, Yes and Ben, and as always we are 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: joined by our super producer, Noel Nashville Brown. We opened 14 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: to day with a quotation from ghost Busters to the 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: famous dying words of Vigo the Carpathian and the Portrait 16 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: and the Portrait, Yes, which I love that film. Now, typically, 17 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: long time listeners, most importantly, you're here and that makes 18 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. But typically 19 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: if you've listened to the show for a while, you 20 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: know that Nol's nickname is often a hint to or 21 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: an allusion to the kind of stuff will be covering episode. 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: But today's a little different, isn't that right? Now? Yeah, 23 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: it's a little different. Uh. You know, Nashville is not 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: really a part of the material here, but it is 25 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,639 Speaker 1: part of something very special going on in Noel's world 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: right now, right the good Mr Brown is on an adventure. 27 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: As I record this, You're going to be heading out 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: Nashville way to play some to play a show, isn't 29 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: that right? You guys always made me feel so special. 30 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: That's true, that's because you are. But thanks guys. Yeah. Yeah. 31 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: One of the little bands I play or going to 32 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Nashville to play a Bullets shows on Friday. So if 33 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: I was gonna look for this band or show what 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: what I search? The band is called Blue Blood. We 35 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: have a record out on a label called This is 36 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 1: American Music, and um, we're playing in a place called 37 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: the Basement on Friday, which is the Yes and this 38 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: episode comes out on one. So if you were hearing 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: this and you were in that Nashville area, get the 40 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: to the basement. Check out our buddy Nashville Brown as 41 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: he blows up the scene. I have a personal relationship 42 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: with this place. I happen to have been born in Nashville, 43 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: So wow, have you been to the basement? Uh you 44 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: know when you're wee tyke, I have not. Actually I was. 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: I'll date myself here a little bit. Uh. The first 46 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: live performance I did in front of strangers was actually 47 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,119 Speaker 1: the Grand Old Opery. I was one of their kid 48 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: actors for a while. Holy crap. Yeah, I remember all 49 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: my lines to man, you know why because they were 50 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: all up excepse were like maybe I don't know, I 51 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: always kind of had a freakish voice, but but yea, 52 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: So do check out do check out that show if 53 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: you're in the area. Knowle's got this Clark Kent Superman 54 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: thing going on. He's the the hardest working men and 55 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: the how stuff works show biz. That's right, And if 56 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: you have not seen him play bass in person, it's 57 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: something that you really should do. And uh it also 58 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: do all the sound cues. We could do an episode 59 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: just about Noel, which would probably make you kind of uncomfortable. 60 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: So well, you will edit this stuff about you. Yeah, 61 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: so we'll uh we'll hold that for now, but no 62 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: promises about never doing it. Uh. One other thing, one 63 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: other piece of business before we begin. Uh, you guys 64 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: know that this is a listener driven show. All our 65 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: best ideas come from you. Um, Matt, Noel and I 66 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: are incredibly fortunate to be able to do this and 67 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: and still somehow not be fired, which we joke about 68 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,839 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I'm I'm getting a little nervous. Maybe 69 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: we just shouldn't joke about it anymore. Bend, let's just 70 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: pretend like we're always going to be here. Oh yeah, 71 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I do feel like we're whistling through the graveyard. But uh, 72 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: the truth of the matter is that, you know, sometimes 73 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: it can be tough, and this show is far from perfect. 74 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: It's always been a work in progress, and some of 75 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: the best feedback we get, uh concerns like ways to 76 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: improve the show or things we missed, and we always 77 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: were always grateful for corrections. Uh. But the this this 78 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: cool thing happened last night. I was out grabbing dinner 79 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: with my girlfriend, was kind of late, and there was 80 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: this other couple that was in the area, and I 81 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: kept thinking, is that person like slipping me the side eye? 82 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: Did I do something to offend them? You know? Yeah, surprise, 83 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit paranoid and social situations anyway, uh, 84 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: guys leaving on and then he stops and he asked me. 85 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: He says, oh, sir, I'm sorry to bother you. Is 86 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: your name Matt? And then thought, okay, well I've been 87 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: the clear. That's what he said, Matt, And I said, no, 88 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: my name's Ben. And then it turns out this guy's 89 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: name is Tanner Crowley is a big fan of our 90 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: show and just happened to happen to see us. And 91 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: you know, he super respectful. He's like, I don't want 92 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: to interrupt you when you're eating and like I saw 93 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 1: you guys are on the way out too, and uh, Tanner, 94 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:30,280 Speaker 1: I just want you to know that made my day. 95 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for making me look like a 96 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: cool guy in front of my girlfriend. I'm always into 97 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Uh so I just wanted to say 98 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: thank you. And I don't know about you, Matt or 99 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: you know, but if you're like we're regular guys, if 100 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: you're ever out and about and you you see us 101 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: and you want to say hi, We're not gonna be 102 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: jerks about it because we're we're again, super appreciative of 103 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: your time. Every time you check out this show. Uh, 104 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: you are I guess doing your part to keep this 105 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: crazy contraption going, and it can't happen without you. Absolutely, 106 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: thank you so much. And you know, if you ever 107 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: recognize me, you're gonna get like triple points because nobody 108 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: knows what I look like. What too bad? Sorry, I 109 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: can just slip under the radar, Ben, I doubt that 110 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: apparently most people think of you, which I'm fine with. 111 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: I noticed that people will yeah, say Matt in comments 112 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: on YouTube when they're clearly speaking about you. We need 113 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: to change it up. We need to just separate. That's 114 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: Matt behind the camera and I am Ben. Oh no, man, no, 115 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: no this year. I mean clearly, uh clearly you are 116 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: on episodes. I'm trying to bully you into getting onto 117 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: some more uh so listeners, if you'd like to see 118 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: and hear more of of our better half here Matt Frederick, 119 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: than go ahead. And you're shaking your head, no, but 120 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: don't you do it. I'll say it. Go ahead, tweet 121 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: us or Facebook us. We're conspiracy stuff right to us, directly, 122 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: right to our bosses. And so Matt stop, do not 123 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: do any of those things. Don't listen to him. It's 124 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: too late. It's recorded. No, don't edit that part out, 125 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: all right. So, so with all that stuff, With all 126 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: that said, uh, let's switch gears. What what's this episode 127 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: actually about? This show? This is our second foray into 128 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: the great beyond ben, into the Big Sleep, the Huge Finito, 129 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: the great arbiter. Death right, death, one of the great equalizers, 130 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: one of the things that no matter who you are, 131 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: no matter how much money you make, how much money 132 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: you don't make, how happy or sad you are, one day, 133 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: at presently, one day, all of us will die, and 134 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: subjectively how good or evil you are, right, yeah, right, 135 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: that's a scary thought, no bonus points. Yeah, you literally 136 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: cannot be too good to die or too evil to die. 137 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: It happens to everyone. It's one of the most mysterious, 138 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: enigmatic things in the human experience, right up there with 139 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: uh where were you if you were somewhere before you 140 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: were born? I think there's a boltier both of those 141 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: butchery in there. So earlier we covered this something like 142 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: this in our episode called the Future of Death, but 143 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: that focused on something a little different, right, Yeah, we 144 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: were looking at immortality, if if one person could achieve that, 145 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: or perhaps if humanity could achieve that. At some point 146 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: we looked at I think a jellyfish, we looked at 147 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: Henry at a lacks. I would urge anyone to go 148 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: back and listen to that episode. It has one of 149 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: my favorite Uh this is weird, but it's one of 150 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: my favorite sponsored episodes by our you know, our guys 151 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: so by Illumination Global. Yeah yeah, yeah, it was just 152 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: it still it stood out for me right right that 153 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: that was that that was a standout episode. You can 154 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: also check out the video stuff there. We talk about 155 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: different types of potential immortality as well as different types 156 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: of immortality that just today, although not for humans or 157 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: other animals. So what we're going to do in this 158 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: episode is explore the nature of death. So let's say, surprise, surprise, 159 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: Want Want Want, immortality doesn't work out for one reason 160 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: or another. It turns out that the technology is just 161 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: not there, or the bio bioengineering necessaries not there, or 162 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: maybe the human brain just can't cope with physical immortality. 163 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: So this person, um, let's say, let's pick somebody for 164 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: an example. Um, this person dies, I I die. What 165 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: happens when you die? What is death? Anyway? Well, then 166 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: when you die, and I am sorry to say that 167 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: you have since I had a good run. That is true, 168 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: very true. A Tanner is going to mourn you as 169 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: well as myself in Nolan hopefully everybody else listening. When 170 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: you die, at LEAs on a physical level, it is, 171 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: it's when your brain stops sending electrical signals to the 172 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: rest of your body and to itself, and when your 173 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: circulatory system ceases to flow. So when blood stops going 174 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: through your body, stops delivering oxygen to the cells, and 175 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: when there's no oxygen and cells and there's no electrical 176 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: activity occurring in the brain, that's it. All those chemical 177 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: processes that make us something more than a pile of meat, 178 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: water and rank bacteria. Uh And speaking of brainking death 179 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: is death is ranked in defined in several different ways. Right, 180 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 1: Clinical death occurs when a person's heartbeat, their circulatory system stops, 181 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: and their breathing stops their respiratory system. Then a couple 182 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: of minutes later, four to six minutes later, biological death occurs. Now, 183 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: this is when the brain cells start to die because 184 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: they're they're not getting any oxygen anymore, and that's when 185 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: you can't be brought back. At least it's thought that 186 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: you can't be brought back after that point, right, the 187 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: vast majority of times that is game over. Right, So 188 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: we have we being a human species, not just the 189 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: three of us here and everybody listening, but the human 190 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: species overall has wquarreled with the definition of death for 191 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: a long long time. In the very first edition of 192 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: Encyclopedia Britannica, uh, death was called the separation of the 193 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: soul and the body. And meanwhile, if anybody would like 194 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: to read more of the stuff that we're talking about, 195 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: a lot of this comes from some fantastic articles on 196 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: how Stuff Works dot Com, a couple of which were 197 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: written by our buddy Josh Clark over at Stuff you 198 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 1: Should Know, and I think he wrote I think he 199 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: wrote some of this on how dying works. But this, 200 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: this definition of the separation from the soul and of 201 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: the soul from the body, it kind of it gives 202 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: us a snapshot about how closely humanity's views of death 203 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: are tied up with historic religious views. Right. Oh sure, 204 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: we talked a bit in that other episode about how 205 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: religion is very closely linked to death because it is 206 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: one of the ways we've kind of hacked the idea 207 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: of death of creating these belief structures that say, well, 208 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: maybe that's not Maybe death isn't the last thing, right, 209 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: maybe it is but a doorway. But yeah, then you know, 210 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: as time has progressed and there's so many different religious 211 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: beliefs now and lack of belief in other places, that 212 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: it's getting closer and closer tied to science. Sure, yeah, 213 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: just uh, let's say fifteen or so additions later of 214 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: the Encyclopedia Britannica, this very short entry on death became 215 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: thirty times longer, and it became longer because we were 216 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: understanding more about the human body. But that's not to 217 00:12:56,160 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: say that death is necessarily perfectly defined yet um or 218 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: that it's even easier to define. Instead, medical advances, the 219 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: technology that we've been developing, they've made it actually tougher 220 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: to determine that point, that finite point where death is 221 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: just absolute right, where it actually occurs. And you know, 222 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: identifying death without medical technology of its current state was 223 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: a very difficult thing. And you know, uh, it's quite 224 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: possible that a d fifty or two hundred years from now, 225 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 1: as long as the great streak of the human race continues, 226 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: that the technology we have today will look barbaric in comparison. Oh, man, 227 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: we're gonna what if we look back and we realize 228 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: all of these people that quote died none of them 229 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: actually did. Man, we could have brought them back like 230 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: three years later. Man. Man, Well, okay, let's let's do 231 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: that hypothetical death thing. All right. So let's imagine that 232 00:13:55,400 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: the the Frederick Clankay is several hundreds in the past, 233 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: and Matt, you have gathered with the rest of your 234 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: large family, because there are a lot of you here 235 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: at home with the matriarch, your mother, and she appears 236 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: to have died kind of like awake, kind of like 237 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: kind of like a like a deathbed wake send off. Um, 238 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: you think she's dead, but you need an expert. Oay, 239 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: So you don't call a doctor. You call the local priest. Sure, 240 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: because he, being the closest one, the closest connection to God, right, 241 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: is going to have that closest link to whether or 242 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: not her soul is still there. Yeah. And uh, this 243 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: priest or members of your family might have done a 244 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: couple of things. They might have held a mirror to 245 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: the mother's mouth to see if there was any kind 246 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: of breath coming off, any condensation. Um, maybe a feather 247 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: to see if it moves, and so like the idea, 248 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: like maybe she's breathing shallowly but still breathing. It's not 249 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: to tickle her nose or something. You know. Sorry, I'm 250 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: sorry if somebody has tried. Okay, a story of history 251 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: is long and fraught with dark Sorry, Mom, I I 252 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm really sad that you're gone in the scenario. Honestly, 253 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm kind of messed up about it right now, but 254 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying really hard to stay positive. Right. You don't 255 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: want to let go. So if this didn't cloud, if 256 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: this didn't move, then people would say, well, you must 257 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: be dead. Now this is before this is before the 258 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: eighteenth century. In the eighteenth century, we knew enough about 259 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: the human body that you met. If your family moves 260 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: up a few centuries, you would say, let's check the pulse. 261 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Let's hear if that inner engine is still pumping along. 262 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: But that's way before the invention of the stethoscope, So 263 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: you were not You're not getting a and enhanced listen 264 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: to that heart. You're just either putting your ear on it, 265 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: feeling somebody's chest, feeling you know, pressure points where you 266 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: can feel the heartbeat. I don't know. That's I don't 267 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: want to like it. Well, now, if you were a 268 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: particularly educated member of society, you might have tried out 269 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: something called Balfour's test, which what is that? Oh, isn't 270 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: this a thing where you stick needles through the skin 271 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: into the heart m uh, with little flags on top 272 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: of the noodles and see if they move? Oh that 273 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: is so weird to see if the pressure is changing, 274 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: I guess, I guess yet to see if there's any 275 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: slight palpitation. But you know, as time went on, people 276 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: eventually realized that although you could be looking at a 277 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: body without any sign of breathing, without any sign of heartbeat, 278 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: there is still a chance that the person is alive 279 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: somewhere in there, right yeah, And that's when you get 280 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: story circulating. Uh. You might remember the one about by 281 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Edgar Allan Poe of a person that could be buried 282 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: thinking you know, oh, this person was dead, so we 283 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: buried him. Oh no, no, no, no, no, they were alive. 284 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: They were just not showing some of those main signs temporarily. Right. Yeah, 285 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: this is okay, this is interesting. So let's take a 286 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: sidebar here, because this was one one of Edgar all 287 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: impose personal fears was the idea of being buried alive. 288 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: And furthermore, when you hear about vampire panics or which 289 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: panics and people going to hunt down a body that 290 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: must be possessed by the devil and his arising from 291 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: the dead to drink the blood of the innocence. One 292 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: of the things that they thought would be proof of 293 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: this would be things like claw marks in the coffin, 294 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: signs of disturbance, moving around. The body didn't look as 295 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: rotten or dead as it should be. But that might 296 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: mean it's because it's not because they were a monster. 297 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: It's because that they too were afflicted by whatever illness 298 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: was passing around at the time, and then they woke 299 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: up after they were buried and died of asphyxiation trying 300 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: to dig themselves out to the air. Yeah, that's definitely 301 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: a fear that he had, interfear that I have. That 302 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: there was this whole industry around these coffin bells. Right, 303 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: do you remember, Yes, we're inside the coffin. It's connected 304 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: to bells up six ft above you. And if you 305 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: pull on the little ribbon or the string, then hey, 306 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: I'm still here. We don't do that. Typically, Uh, we 307 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 1: don't do that anymore. I think we should still. I 308 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: like the idea of the insurance factor there, but I 309 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: don't ever want to be buried shoot me into space. Man, Well, 310 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try for that. You've said that a lot. 311 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: You really want to be shot in the space. One 312 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: of that is one of my goals. Save the earthly 313 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: riches for someone else. Oh man, but sorry, But just 314 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 1: one thing I want to add to that. This idea 315 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: of being buried alive kind of it really led towards 316 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: that belief that perhaps death is somehow reversible, not just 317 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: that you could escape it with immortality. Not just that 318 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: there are certain figures who, based on religious beliefs, have 319 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: been brought back from the dead, but that maybe you 320 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 1: and I may be we don't have to die right right, 321 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Maybe we can come close but come back. So today 322 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: we know that there there actually are types of technology 323 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: that can well, essentially matt that can reverse death. So 324 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: if if a person, let's see, whose turn is it 325 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,560 Speaker 1: to die? All right? No, I'm sorry to your So 326 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: if NOL stops breathing, doctors could hook NOL up to 327 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: a ventilator to keep the respiratory and circulatory systems running. 328 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: We've also got feeding, t CPR, all these devices that 329 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: can keep a person alive if you measure life by pulse. Yes, 330 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: which means that's that's why you hear about people with 331 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: no brain activity to speak of. Right, Yes, Um, I 332 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it very much, but I 333 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: have a personal story about that situation that happened recently 334 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: to a friend of mine who was on life support 335 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: in that way keeping the circulatory system alive, but they 336 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: were monitoring brain activity and it was the moment of 337 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: brain death when it was chosen that this is no 338 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 1: longer feasible to try and bring this person back. Right, 339 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: and that that line between having someone laying there that 340 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: is breathing seems to be breathing even though it is 341 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: a machine that's keeping that person alive. That's that line 342 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: is very It can be traumatizing, I guess, but it's 343 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: also it's also amazing that we can even do that. 344 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: Yes to one analogy that pops up, and this is 345 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: by no means a perfect analogy, it makes me think 346 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: of um, brain dead body. It's sort of like a 347 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: house where the plumbing works and the utilities are still connected, 348 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: but there's no one living in that house. WHOA, I mean, 349 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: it's and it's it's not always it's not always true. 350 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: People have come back from things. Well, we'll see later 351 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: on in this episode, So you're right, Matt. Doctors and 352 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: family members around the world started to think that, well, 353 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: maybe we shouldn't base this concept of living on a 354 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: pulse alone, because there are patients who have tragically never 355 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: recovered consciousness after being hooked up to these machines commonly 356 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: called life support. So doctors started using different terms to 357 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: describe this other than just dead. Yeah, there's persistent vegetative state. 358 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: There's also someone who was in an irreversible coma uh 359 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 1: in n Neurologists in France began describing this as a 360 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: state beyond coma, these people where their bodies were alive, 361 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: but their brains were too damaged for one reason or 362 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: another to function to bring the consciousness back into the 363 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: physical world. Around the same time, also, doctors were learning 364 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: how to transplant organs into people near death to prolong 365 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: their lives. Yeah, so you can. You can get a 366 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: kidney or a liver or you know, any number of 367 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 1: things back. But the brain even now, the brain is 368 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: a it's a tough thing to add another one, take 369 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: one out, bring one back, right, and we uh, we 370 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: do know that. That's one of the reasons some people 371 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: are so very hesitant to to become organ donors because 372 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: they think, you know, what if I'm in a situation 373 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: like that, What if I'm one of those people who 374 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: goes to the brink, who enters clinical death, but uh 375 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: wins the lottery and I'm able to be revived. But 376 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: because I was an organ donor, there was ever happened. 377 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: Right now, we could do an entire episode on organ donation, 378 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: which is very different territory and more controversial than you 379 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: might think. Oh yeah, because we could, we could link 380 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: it up with the organ trade, the black market organ trade. Yeah, 381 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: or is one of my less diplomatic friends called at 382 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: one time the Oregon Trail. Yep, yep, I'm sorry, everybody, 383 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: that's what he called it. Not my idea. So let's 384 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: talk about what happens to your body physically during and 385 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: after death, because I love that you bring up that 386 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: point um where you say it's well, it's difficult to 387 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,719 Speaker 1: discern what actual death is. What is the point of 388 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: no return? So if we take that one definition of 389 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: death the cessation of higher brain activity, all the consciousness, 390 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: the personality, all the stuff that makes us us. Uh. 391 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: Then that part of your brain, when that shuts down 392 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: or when that is damaged beyond repair, that's really all 393 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: that matters. But if we take the definition of the 394 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: whole brain activity, then it comes down to oxygen. Physical 395 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: death on a cellular level gins when your body does 396 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: not get the oxygen it needs to survive. And of 397 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: course you know oxygen comes in through your lungs, primarily 398 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: transports through your bloodstream, right, so that's the postal system 399 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: for oxygen. Yes, the highways with all the cars and 400 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,479 Speaker 1: their little oxygen passengers. Okay, so you're ready to get 401 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Speaker 1: into this. Yeah, let's let's go for it. I'm not 402 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: going to be any less, okay. So here is the 403 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: grizzly breakdown of what happens when your body dies. So, 404 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,440 Speaker 1: different cells in your body are going to break down 405 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: at different speeds. So the the length of the dyeing 406 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: process is going to depend on which cells in your 407 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: body are deprived of oxygen the most or the fastest. Okay. 408 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: So so that affects lengthen, and also people can take 409 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: weeks to die or days to die, yes, or it 410 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: can come on very quickly. Sure. Now let's talk about 411 00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: your brain. Uh, your brain needs a tru amendous amount 412 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: of oxygen to function properly. It keeps very little in reserve. 413 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: It's not there are no oxygen tanks up there. It 414 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: just needs a constant flow of blood. And any cut 415 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 1: off of oxygen will result in cell death really fast, 416 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: within three to seven minutes under Now that's under normal circumstances. 417 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: And it makes me think about someone let's say, m 418 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: m A. I'm kind of a fan of mm A. 419 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: And when you see someone get choked out, you it's 420 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: it's hard to really understand that if you deprive that 421 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: person of oxygen for a little while longer, it could 422 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: be really bad, really really bad, and it's very dangerous. 423 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, yeah, it's it's true. That depends 424 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: up upon the length of the asphyxiation or the length 425 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: of the oxygen deprivation, and it also depends oddly enough, 426 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: on the external an internal temperature. We found when we 427 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,360 Speaker 1: were looking at people who came back from the dead, 428 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:10,239 Speaker 1: we found that inducing hypothermia may increase somebody's chances of 429 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: survival the heart is also important. When blood is cut 430 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: off from the heart, a heart attack can take you 431 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: down pretty quickly. That's why strokes can so often hit 432 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: and the time between a stroke and the time of 433 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: death can be so closely together. When you die, we 434 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: can break it into two phases. Right before he died, 435 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: that's what's called the agonal phase. The dying persons often disoriented, 436 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: will seem like she or he can't get comfortable, uh, 437 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: and also may seem like this person can't catch your breath, 438 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: which leads us to the next phase. Yeah, the death rattle. 439 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: If you have ever heard this, you know exactly what 440 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: it sounds like. If you have not, I hope you 441 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: don't ever have to hear it. This is when lots 442 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: of fluid builds up on the lungs and congestion causes 443 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: this sound. And it's called the death rattle because I 444 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe there's just not a better name for it. 445 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: It's it's a horrible sound. And you've heard it, Yeah, yeah, 446 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: I have. I've heard it. So as the cells in 447 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: the person who's dying, the body as they lose their 448 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: connections right this person, you may even see them convulse 449 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 1: a bit like they're having some kind of seizure or 450 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: muscle spasm. And that's another thing that I really don't 451 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: want to see. Right, it does, It does occur, which 452 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,399 Speaker 1: is part of the reason that I treat reports of 453 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: famous last words with such skepticism, because as beautiful as 454 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: as it is to think that someone makes a flowery, 455 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: grandiose speech, a witty one liner, and then just dies, 456 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: that's usually not how it happens. So let's talk about 457 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: the body after death. After the heart stop speeding, the 458 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: body begins to turn cold. This is known as the 459 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: death chill or algor mortis. So for each hour, the 460 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: body temperature falls about point eight degrees eight three degrees 461 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: celsius or one and a half degreased fahrenheit, until it 462 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: reaches room temperature or if they're outside the temperature of 463 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: the environment. At the same time, the blood starts to 464 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 1: pool and settle, and this is where we encounter the 465 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: stiffening of the body, known as rigor mortis. Yeah, and 466 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: that what is that two or six? I know it's 467 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: a while, it's like two six, two to six hours. Yeah. 468 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're familiar with C s I 469 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: or any of those shows, you're familiar with that. Um, 470 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: it's a real thing. It's really weird. Now, while the 471 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: while the body as a whole may be dead, there's 472 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 1: still some things inside the body or that are a 473 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: part of the body that can still be alive. Skin cells, 474 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: for example, can be harvested up to twenty four hours 475 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: after death. But there are some other things that are 476 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: still alive that lead to this putrification of the body 477 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: as it begins to break down, decon as it decomposes. 478 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: That's that's things like bacteria. A lot of the your 479 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: intestines you know, are made up of so much bacteria. 480 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: Ben right, it's primarily bacteria. I think we mentioned this 481 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: in an earlier episode, right, I think it might have 482 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: been the death and that a couple other ones too. 483 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating idea, right right, that we are outnumbered 484 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: in our own bodies by other living things were much 485 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: more like our own city or if maybe your own 486 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: world if you want, that walks around and mistakes itself 487 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: for an individual. And it's not just in your intestines, 488 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: it's all over and inside you. Yes, so so for instance, uh, 489 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: when when you die, the bacteria inside you can survive, 490 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: they start breaking down their host. Here's a grizzly fact 491 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: for you. The pancreas is so full of so many 492 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: different types of bacteria that it pretty much digests itself 493 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: after someone passes away. It's like a fruit inside your 494 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: body for the bacteria, and these organisms work their way 495 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: to other organs. Your body becomes discolored, turning green and purple, 496 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: then finally black. And if you can't see this, you 497 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: will smell it. Yeah, that's because the bacteria create this 498 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: awful gas. Uh. It's really bad. And in addition to 499 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: smelling up the room or wherever it is that you 500 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: happen to die, the gas is going to cause your 501 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: body to bloat, your eyes will bulge out of their sockets, 502 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: tongue will swell and protrude. There's some of the grizzly 503 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: facts here we could mention, but will continue to something 504 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: a little different. Let's move to a week after death. 505 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 1: A week after death, this in has blistered, and touching 506 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: it can cause it to fall off. A month after death, 507 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 1: hair nails, teeth generally fall out. The hair and nails. 508 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: By the way, Josh Clark just did an episode I 509 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: think of Don't Be Dumb where he mentions this and no, 510 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: I think the whole episode is based on it. The 511 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: hair and nails are rumored to grow after death, and 512 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: you've seen that movies all over the place and writing, Uh, 513 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: that is actually not true. There's no magical growth properties 514 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: to these cells. Uh. It merely looks like this because 515 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: your skin is drying out after death. And I mean 516 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: you know, as as your skin starts to dry and 517 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: pulls away from your hair and from those cells, it 518 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: looks as though it's growing, or has grown at least 519 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: the internal organs and tissue liquefy, and that in turn 520 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: swells the body until it bursts out and then eventually 521 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: even really, depending upon the conditions of the environment in 522 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: which this body is found, all that remains is a skeleton. 523 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: And then if we move for months to years to centuries, 524 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: only the bones. And then if we move past that, 525 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: unless you win the lottery of fossilization, right, just nothing 526 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: and depends again on the conditions. Because there have been 527 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: there have been many ancient U I guess vestiges a 528 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: remnants of humans found, but more often when we say 529 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 1: that we're talking about, you know, the very ancient ancient 530 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: Homo sapiens. We're talking about discoveries of pieces of skeletons. Yeah, 531 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean it also depends on the temperature of what 532 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: zone or where you are, the humidity, aridness. But that's so, 533 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: that's what happens to the body. And this brings us 534 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: to the more enigmatic, I would say, the more crucial question. 535 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: That's the body. What happens to the mind, What happens 536 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: to the consciousness? What happens to you? And we're gonna 537 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: talk about that in just a moment, right after a 538 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. Hey, guys, you've heard us talk 539 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: about the Great Courses before, and you know that Ben 540 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: and I like learning as much as we possibly can, 541 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: and we like learning at our own pace, right, and 542 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: we're excited about something new from the Great Courses. 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Is 576 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: it consciousness? We can barely define consciousness, much less quantify it. 577 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,359 Speaker 1: There have been all these reports of people dying matt 578 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: at least being clinically dead, only to return minutes or 579 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,719 Speaker 1: hours later. And these are the things that we call 580 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: near death experiences or indeed ease kind of like oh 581 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: do you remember that movie Flatliner? Oh? Yes, I do. 582 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 1: They used to scare the heck out of me. Man. 583 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: A bunch of their in medical school and they're trying 584 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: to are they in middle school? I know. They're just 585 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: a bunch of doctors trying to figure out what the 586 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: afterlife is. So they bring people to the brink, let 587 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: them die, and then try and bring them back right. Yeah, 588 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: they like freeze them, induce uh in, do some kind 589 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: of clinical death, and then they shock them back right 590 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: with the paddles terrifying. But it turns out near death 591 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: experiences at whatever they are, uh spoiler alert, No one's 592 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,439 Speaker 1: quite sure yet, but they're real. Yeah, and and they're 593 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: part of our lives. Now, that's something that I think 594 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, hopefully most of you have heard 595 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: of an n D. I think you probably have there. 596 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,320 Speaker 1: That means there are phrases like my whole life flashed 597 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: before my eyes, or go into the light, or I 598 00:36:54,560 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 1: went towards the light, but I came back Caroline. Yes, 599 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: I think it's a little different situation, but you know, right, So, yeah, yeah, 600 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: that's that's a great thing. And that's a great thing 601 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: to point out because they are part of our culture 602 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: on and there have been decades of research in this. 603 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: But Matt, what are these things? Are they hallucinations, spiritual experiences? 604 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: Are they a proof of life after death? Or are 605 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,800 Speaker 1: they just chemical changes in the brain and sensory organs 606 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,279 Speaker 1: right before you die? Wow, way to be a buzz 607 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: kill bend. I know, I'm sorry. So this guy, Dr 608 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: Raymond Moody coined the term near death experience in his 609 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 1: nineteen book Life Afterlife, and many credit Moodies work with 610 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: bringing this this whole concept, this idea of a near 611 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,560 Speaker 1: death experience to the public's attention. Right, But that's not 612 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: the first time this has happened. It's just heat is 613 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: most likely to want to coin the phrase. But the 614 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: phrase is important because it it creates the thing. Right. 615 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: It's no longer a concept, It's a thing. Right. It's 616 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,719 Speaker 1: no longer a bunch of isolated experiences. But reports to this. Uh. 617 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,440 Speaker 1: This is something Josh points out in his article. Reports 618 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: of this date as far back as Plato's Republic. WHOA 619 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: that that's pretty old. YEA three and sixty b c E. 620 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: There's the story of a soldier who was killed in battle, 621 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: had a near death experience, describes the soul leaving his 622 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: body and being judged along with others in heaven. WHOA, 623 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 1: and then he just came back. I guess, like, presumably 624 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 1: who did he get kicked out? I don't know. I 625 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm gonna have to go back and read 626 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,400 Speaker 1: Plato's Republic. Well some It's interesting to say that because 627 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: sometimes people say that they have this conversation where they 628 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: are told that they need to come back to do something. 629 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 1: It's not your time, it's not your time. In fact, 630 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 1: most near death experiences share a share a surprising number 631 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,360 Speaker 1: of common traits, but not all of them are created equal. 632 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,399 Speaker 1: You know, and some don't follow a pattern at all. 633 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 1: There have been people who died and say it was 634 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: just dark, I felt a jump and I woke up here, 635 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,120 Speaker 1: you know ingrating memorial or whatever. But there. But I 636 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,360 Speaker 1: would say, I mean a lot of them do share 637 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: some common things, right, sure, let's talk about a few. Well, 638 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: one of them is the light that we mentioned. Going 639 00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: towards the light. Sometimes it's this very intense, not painful, 640 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 1: sometimes painful, but not always painful, that will fill up 641 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: the room. And uh and oh. In some cases, subjects 642 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: see a light that they feel represents either their idea 643 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: of heaven or what they believe to be heaven, or 644 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,879 Speaker 1: maybe even God. And that's that's interesting because you kind 645 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: of have to wonder if there's a ruor shack aspect 646 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: to this, you know, like a ruor shack ink blot, 647 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: wherein people are seeing a little bit more about there 648 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: themselves than they are seeing what's on the page. Oh yeah, 649 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: and if you're seeing that light, I'm I'm just assuming 650 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,680 Speaker 1: that what I would associate with would be probably the 651 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 1: sun or warmth, you know, and something that is calming 652 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:16,959 Speaker 1: and inviting. Almost I would I would probably I've never 653 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: to my knowledge had in your death experience. But I 654 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: would imagine if if it happened to me, uh, and 655 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,279 Speaker 1: I had already had a day that crazy, it would 656 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,280 Speaker 1: be anything goes I wouldn't. I would be completely fine 657 00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: with the idea of being another worldly, of some otherworldly encounter. 658 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: Another thing that people report, and this is fascinating, is 659 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: the out of body experience or o b E. This 660 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: is when someone dies, they feel that they have left 661 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 1: their body. That you will hear stories about looking down 662 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,959 Speaker 1: and seeing the surgeons completing the operation. You'll hear anecdotes 663 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: of people watching their own bodies get shocked and being 664 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,520 Speaker 1: pulled back in uh. And sometimes they feel that their spirit, 665 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: their incorporeal consciousness is lifted out of the room into 666 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: the sky, maybe even into space, toward that intense lights. Now, 667 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: I just want to point out that and o b 668 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: E may sound exciting, Um, it is good to know 669 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: that you don't have to have a near death experience 670 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: to experience and outer body experience. However, we don't recommend 671 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: most of them, at least on air. Okay, I see 672 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: where you're going. Uh. And then let's also let's also 673 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,879 Speaker 1: give a note to the government sponsored experience or experiments 674 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: rather with outer body stuff tremendously controversial. Checkout Project Stargate 675 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: and Swan s w a NN. I just want to 676 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 1: say you almost said government sponsored experience and that phrase. 677 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh man, I'm so many things are being conjured with that. 678 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,239 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, not all of them pleasant. So you 679 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: could also you could also, if you have an inde um, 680 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: enter into another realm. And this is strange because I 681 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 1: was reading about this even as a kid. You know, 682 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: people would say they may. Most people who say they 683 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,400 Speaker 1: go to some other place go to a place where 684 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: they feel like a safe, warm, glowing light bathing them, 685 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: essentially heaven, some some version of an afterlife paradise. But 686 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: a minority of people have described their passage. They say 687 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: they do go somewhere, but they go somewhere terrible, horrible, 688 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 1: beyond human comprehension. They go to whatever is on the 689 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:49,719 Speaker 1: other side of that drop in uh event horizon. They 690 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: go to hell, something very much like that's their report. 691 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,640 Speaker 1: It makes me think about whether or not what type 692 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: of pain receptors are involved with that. You know, if 693 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: you're if you're still able to feel whatever has caused 694 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: you to enter this state, if you can feel it intensely. 695 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,879 Speaker 1: Then I can imagine that you probably end up in hell. 696 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, And then again it's how much of 697 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: this is based on someone's perception, because we will say 698 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:24,080 Speaker 1: that there is at this point no universally scientifically accepted 699 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: proof that these people are actually going somewhere. But so 700 00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 1: what we're telling you are the reports of people have survived, 701 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 1: and they also sometimes don't go there alone. No, Sometimes 702 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: when you have an out of body experience, there are 703 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:44,399 Speaker 1: other things, other beings with you. These sometimes have been 704 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: called beings of light. Sometimes there are representations of spiritual 705 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: entities like an angel or again in rare cases, a 706 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: demon um. But a lot of people will think that 707 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: they're seeing dead loved ones, people who have already made 708 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,720 Speaker 1: it to wherever it is that they've leave they are. 709 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: And there are also reports, of of course we've mentioned 710 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,960 Speaker 1: the tunnel, that people feel they're in a tunnel with 711 00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: that intense light at the end. They also have reported communication. 712 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 1: This is something that happens often where the subjects or 713 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,879 Speaker 1: the people have returned from this near death experience. Uh 714 00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: say that they heard a voice telling them it's not 715 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: their time to go back as Some also say that 716 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 1: they were given a choice to go into the light 717 00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: wherever it may lead, or return to their earthly body. 718 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 1: And then the last one that we're we're gonna talk 719 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: about here is the idea that you see your entire life, right, 720 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: You get a replay or at least major points in 721 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: your life where you're maybe it's just your brain firing 722 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: off all these different memories really rapidly. Um. Some people 723 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,399 Speaker 1: call this the panoramic view of life. Others will see 724 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: a fast forward film of the entire thing. Um. You 725 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: know this can be. There are a lot of different 726 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: ways that this has manifested. Some people say that it 727 00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: happened extremely fast. Some people say it happened really slowly, 728 00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: and they were there for almost another lifetime, and they 729 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 1: might feel that they're being judged during this time. Yes, 730 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: so I think it's interesting that you point out the 731 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: difference here mat between and out of body experience and 732 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: a near death experience, because some people, uh, some people 733 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: claim to experience these out of body circumstances when there's 734 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: no death or dying or even physical threat. Do you 735 00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: have time for like a quick anecdote? Yeah, okay, so 736 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go too much into 737 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,960 Speaker 1: personal history. But you know this because you and I 738 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,799 Speaker 1: have talked about it off air. Uh. Members of my 739 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,560 Speaker 1: family on one side of my family where I'm from, 740 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: historically have and this is not Nashville, A's and gentlemen 741 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,960 Speaker 1: is a much more rural area. But members of my 742 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: family have claim uh for decades in the past to 743 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: have things where they'll have dreams that later come to pass, 744 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,360 Speaker 1: or they'll say that they have had out of body 745 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: experiences or can induce them. And you know, these are 746 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: members of my family, so I'm not trying to violate 747 00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 1: their privacy or anything. But listeners, I believe it is 748 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,960 Speaker 1: quite possible that you know someone who feels that they 749 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: have experienced this, or that you yourself may have experienced 750 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: something like this inexplicable thing, right, And that gets us 751 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: to some interesting statistics. How many people have had something 752 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,440 Speaker 1: like a near death experience or an out of body experience. Well, 753 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: according to a nineteen eighty two poll by Gallop and 754 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: William Proctor, they found that fifteen percent of all Americans 755 00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:01,680 Speaker 1: who had been in a near situation where they almost 756 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: died or died and then came back had experienced an 757 00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,160 Speaker 1: n D. So not that many people, as a matter 758 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,320 Speaker 1: of fact, of a minority. Definitely a minority, but fifteen percent, 759 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,279 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Well, of that fifteen percent, nine 760 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: percent said their experience had this out of body thing 761 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: going on, and eleven percent, again of that fifteen percent, 762 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,919 Speaker 1: uh said they entered another realm or dimension. An eight 763 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:33,080 Speaker 1: percent said they met spiritual beings. Now, in comparison to 764 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:35,959 Speaker 1: all of the people who have been in these near 765 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 1: death situations, it's a very small number, and it's getting smaller, 766 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,560 Speaker 1: but good news on this. Of the people pulled of 767 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: that fifteen percent, only one percent reported a negative experience. 768 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: But we gotta remember these reports are you know two 769 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 1: that's that's upwards of twenty years ago. And there are 770 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: other researchers who you know when they when they are 771 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: studying this kind of thing, they're usually looking at a 772 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 1: much smaller scale. Um And also, the statistics on indies 773 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,439 Speaker 1: are going to vary pretty widely, right, So much of 774 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,760 Speaker 1: pulling and pulling is an art. So much of pulling 775 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: depends on how the question is framed and where where 776 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: you're sampling, where you're sampling, who you're asking, even the 777 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: time of day or the environment they're in Uh. For instance, 778 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: those people who are being pulled in a busy day 779 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,440 Speaker 1: at the mall are a lot less likely to think 780 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,840 Speaker 1: in depth about their answer. Uh. The but the point 781 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: being that these statistics still are not conclusive. One thing 782 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 1: that is very interesting that the Gallup poll found there 783 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:51,520 Speaker 1: was that religious beliefs or lack of religious beliefs don't 784 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: appear to affect the likelihood of having a near death experience. 785 00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: So somebody who is very much UM, considers themselves very 786 00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:06,439 Speaker 1: religious to whatever particular religion it might be, and someone 787 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:10,399 Speaker 1: who considers themselves completely and atheists may all have a 788 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: similar experience. It doesn't necessarily impact their thing. It's not 789 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: just um, one particular denomination of Christians or one particular 790 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: Eastern religion having these experiences. It's across the board, and 791 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: people aren't sure exactly what the common denominator is other 792 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,120 Speaker 1: than almost other than dying. Other than dying, Yeah, other 793 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,279 Speaker 1: than dying. Wow. It's it's one of those things, man, man, 794 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 1: this whole topic. You know, we talked about it a 795 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,800 Speaker 1: little bit earlier. But my existential dread of death brought 796 00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,520 Speaker 1: on to me by my grandfather. It's not his fault. 797 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,560 Speaker 1: He just just was a great thinker, and uh, he 798 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,600 Speaker 1: thought about it way too much. And I don't know, 799 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 1: somehow or another he's got me to about it way 800 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,759 Speaker 1: too much, and this kind of stuff, thinking that all humans, 801 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,720 Speaker 1: all life maybe experiences this kind of thing when it dies. 802 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder do you think that. Do 803 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,560 Speaker 1: you think the higher order animals? Do you think that 804 00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: mammals experienced something? I mean, we know so little about 805 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,760 Speaker 1: animal intelligence other than the fact that we woefully underestimated 806 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: it for most of human history. I guess it just 807 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: depends on what is scientifically happening to trigger whatever is occurring, 808 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: and what exactly is experiencing this. Now I'm excited about 809 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: this idea that because what is the near death experience 810 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:46,239 Speaker 1: of an African elephant or chimpanzee or a cetacean like 811 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: a dolphin. You know, what do they do? They swim 812 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,480 Speaker 1: toward a light for instance? Do they here that falls 813 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,000 Speaker 1: of loved ones? What about even cattle? That's a thing 814 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, that's a that is true because 815 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,600 Speaker 1: he had do have intelligence. Well, either way, whatever we 816 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 1: find should be applied to any animal with the with 817 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,000 Speaker 1: the I guess the brain structure of similar brain structures, 818 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: because at this point scientists cannot ultimately explain why some 819 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: people have near death experiences and why some people don't. 820 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: And that's partially because these things are complex, they're emotionally charged, 821 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,640 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of it we can't really test, 822 00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:32,840 Speaker 1: Like there's there's not an effective, double blind, peer reviewed 823 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:37,560 Speaker 1: methodology for whether someone actually met God. Yeah, these are 824 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:42,719 Speaker 1: all subjective reports of people who experienced something on their own. 825 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: Yet we can attempt a little bit of let's call 826 00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: it scientific speculation. How about that? All right, So our 827 00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: brains process sensory information. We know that much. We know 828 00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,359 Speaker 1: that what you and Noll and I and everybody else 829 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,640 Speaker 1: listening to this encounters as reality is just the sum 830 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 1: of century information we receive, filtered by our brains. And 831 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,279 Speaker 1: really it's only the stuff our brains say, Hey, that's 832 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: what that is. Look at that? Yeah, what's that smell? 833 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,400 Speaker 1: What's that smell? Is that a horse selling? Our brains 834 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,760 Speaker 1: sell like yeah, our brain, And then sometimes our brains 835 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: will get something and not send ent our conscious mind 836 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: like I forget about it, Yeah, forget about Yeah, I'm 837 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,280 Speaker 1: just gonna pretend that's not there. Yeah, yeah, you should 838 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,360 Speaker 1: get a sandwich. Me and stomach. We're talking. Oh lord, 839 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,000 Speaker 1: so sequel to inside out on it as it is. 840 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: But okay, so that so we have these these huge 841 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 1: nets cast right through all of our different sensory organs, 842 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: and then we also have a very complex system of 843 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:54,680 Speaker 1: nerves and muscles that do something most of us take 844 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,960 Speaker 1: for granted. If you're not driving, listeners, if you're in 845 00:52:58,000 --> 00:52:59,640 Speaker 1: a place where it's safe for you to do this, 846 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,719 Speaker 1: like you to close your eyes, close your eyes and 847 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 1: they close, and and listen to this. So take your 848 00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,279 Speaker 1: right or left hand, your choice, and hold it out 849 00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: in front of you. Now move it to wherever you 850 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,360 Speaker 1: want to move it slowly, make take your index finger 851 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:27,560 Speaker 1: and touch it to your nose. Not that hard, hunt, 852 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,760 Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? We know where our We know where 853 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,720 Speaker 1: our body is in space without observing it through other things. 854 00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,439 Speaker 1: Our brain knows what our hand is doing when it's 855 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,920 Speaker 1: not looking at it. It's a superpower we take for granted. 856 00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,680 Speaker 1: That's how we know where we are in space. That 857 00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 1: really is something I take for granted. That's something everybody 858 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: takes for grant because we're used to it. Can you 859 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: something that I do? So one of my favorite things 860 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: is to get on my drum kit when all of 861 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,280 Speaker 1: the lights are out and there's not a single source 862 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 1: anywhere and it's in the pitch black, and tests to 863 00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 1: see if I can play a song all the way 864 00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 1: through in the complete darkness just by understanding where the 865 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: things are in muscle memory. That is one of my 866 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,879 Speaker 1: hands down favor things to do. So I just want 867 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: to say thank you human bodies for being able to 868 00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: do that. Can you do that? Can you play the 869 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,200 Speaker 1: songs in the dark? Oh? Yeah, dude, that's that is 870 00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,879 Speaker 1: so interesting, that's amazing. I would love to I would 871 00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: love to see slash here that I guess here it. Yeah, yeah, 872 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: you wouldn't see it unless you had night vision. Will 873 00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,560 Speaker 1: work on it. So, but that's that's another sense. Right, 874 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,080 Speaker 1: So imagine that as you're dying, all of your senses 875 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 1: are malfunctioning, right. Uh. You know, people will say that 876 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,960 Speaker 1: hallucino hallucinogens can induce some similar experiences to in your 877 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,360 Speaker 1: death experience. So instead of the real stuff that's happening, 878 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:53,360 Speaker 1: what you're hearing, what you're feeling, what you're seeing is 879 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,239 Speaker 1: faulty information, maybe because of drugs, maybe because there's some 880 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,600 Speaker 1: sort of traumatic experience causing your brain to shut down. 881 00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: So what you're actually getting from that great filter is 882 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,279 Speaker 1: your brain trying to interpret and curate all this information. 883 00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 1: So some some scientists have said that this neural noise 884 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,319 Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, and overload of information 885 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: creates that image of a bright light that grows larger, 886 00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,520 Speaker 1: and that because your your spatial sense right is malfunctioning, 887 00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:34,000 Speaker 1: that your brain might interpret this as you moving because 888 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:39,520 Speaker 1: it's it's losing control. It's it's wow. That is that's 889 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,160 Speaker 1: fascinating to think about. It's you know, it's it's not 890 00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,200 Speaker 1: a conclusive proof, but it's a pretty good argument. Yeah, 891 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,839 Speaker 1: it's a good argument, and I can visualize it really well. 892 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,720 Speaker 1: We also know that there's this peaceful, calm sensation people 893 00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,520 Speaker 1: report during a near death experience, and that could be 894 00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,480 Speaker 1: a coping mechanism with what's going on. It could be 895 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,640 Speaker 1: endorsed fins that are produced during the brain when there's 896 00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: some kind of trauma. A lot of people will experience this, 897 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:13,040 Speaker 1: this sense of strange detachment and almost this emotionless response 898 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,680 Speaker 1: when you're going through some kind of traumatic event like this, 899 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,360 Speaker 1: whether or not it's related to a near death experience. 900 00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: And this is pretty much this is the same effect 901 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: that's going on in your body. Your your brain is 902 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 1: trying to cope really hard with what's going on, and 903 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,600 Speaker 1: it's almost like it doesn't. So you can't say that 904 00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: your brain doesn't understand, but it is getting signal noise 905 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,640 Speaker 1: or you know, their wires are being crossed. Sure, so okay, 906 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,960 Speaker 1: well then how would we how would we explain in 907 00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 1: this perspective, how will we explain those visits to heaven 908 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: or meeting with uh God? Well, that's that could be 909 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,120 Speaker 1: a lot of things that are kind of working together. 910 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,719 Speaker 1: You're we're talking about that faulty sensory and put your 911 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,640 Speaker 1: oxygen deprivation, your your brain and your body aren't getting 912 00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:06,080 Speaker 1: that life the blood and the the chemical that makes 913 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,480 Speaker 1: us function. And then you've got the endorphins and the 914 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 1: chemical concoction that's being released. Uh and you know it 915 00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,360 Speaker 1: might create this surreal euphoria that's happening. This it feels 916 00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:23,000 Speaker 1: realistic to you maybe, but it's just happening in your mind. 917 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,479 Speaker 1: And then later we know how tricky memory is. When 918 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 1: the subject of the survivor recalls this encounter, it goes 919 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:33,840 Speaker 1: through the filter of that person's conscious mind. So these 920 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,560 Speaker 1: bizarre things that didn't make sense are retroactively or kind 921 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 1: of redcond Yeah, in in this argument again and to 922 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: something understandable. You put your filter on that has all 923 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 1: of your your past experiences, your beliefs, all the structures 924 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,760 Speaker 1: that make up who you are. Throw that filter on 925 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,960 Speaker 1: that thing that you went through, and there you go. 926 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,080 Speaker 1: And while we're talking about filters, this is something that 927 00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:58,880 Speaker 1: interests me too. Uh, It's strange how if you look 928 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,440 Speaker 1: at the common store eas of alien abductions in the 929 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:07,439 Speaker 1: modern age and the common stories of fairy abductions kind 930 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,880 Speaker 1: of things. It's strange how the tropes match one on 931 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:15,360 Speaker 1: one and so closely. Anyhow, the episode for Another Day, 932 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: we mentioned like four episodes for another Day. But the 933 00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:21,160 Speaker 1: next question is how do we explain those out of 934 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: body experiences that occur using things like memories. Somebody is dead, 935 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,400 Speaker 1: there's no brain activity, there's no blood flow, how do 936 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:37,040 Speaker 1: they come back and remember something? Again? Anecdotal spoiler alert 937 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,440 Speaker 1: projects Stargate was closed because they figured that it was 938 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,800 Speaker 1: all a bunch of malarkey. But if if it is true, 939 00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,280 Speaker 1: if somehow people do have this ability to perceive these 940 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:52,400 Speaker 1: things while they're not while they're not in their body, 941 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 1: while their body is dead, while the part of the 942 00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,520 Speaker 1: brain that makes memory is closed for business. And then 943 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: they come back and say I remember for this person 944 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,440 Speaker 1: saying this in the room with me. That's like driving 945 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,720 Speaker 1: a car down a road that doesn't exist and still 946 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 1: getting to your destination. This thing h this thing could 947 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:17,280 Speaker 1: happen just with retroactively explaining stuff. There's also a pretty 948 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:22,560 Speaker 1: compelling argument, not not conclusive, but compelling argument that maybe 949 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,800 Speaker 1: people are still receiving sensory information in a way that 950 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,480 Speaker 1: scientists have yet to pin down or to track. I 951 00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:32,920 Speaker 1: can imagine some quantum stuff going on there that we 952 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: just have yet to study. Yes, and that is where 953 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 1: we get to the big end of this episode. Uh, 954 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 1: what is consciousness is the question we still haven't answered, right, Yeah, 955 00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,880 Speaker 1: well we haven't on this show answered what is consciousness? Yet? 956 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't think, Uh, I don't think anybody out there 957 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,240 Speaker 1: has yet. Well, people have answered it to their satisfaction, sure, 958 00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,439 Speaker 1: which maybe that's where it belongs. I mean, is consciousness 959 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,200 Speaker 1: a thing hardwired into the surface of the matter making 960 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,479 Speaker 1: up your brain, like a tattoo along your neural net, 961 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: your synapsis, or is the substance of the brain, just 962 01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 1: like a radio receiver is at the end point for 963 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: something like a radio wave, Is that what you are? 964 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: Is that what the consciousness is? And if that is 965 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 1: the case, where is the transmission coming from? I'm pretty 966 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:27,000 Speaker 1: sure it's Georgia State Radio. I mean, yeah, I got 967 01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,080 Speaker 1: maybe I got on a little bit of a SOAPO, 968 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:31,800 Speaker 1: but no, I love it, but we don't. Just sitting 969 01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,280 Speaker 1: here listening, I love We don't have the answer though, 970 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,240 Speaker 1: and I eight five is the point, which is a 971 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: pretty good radio station, and I really enjoy it. Then uh, 972 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,920 Speaker 1: then that I'm happy with that. But listeners, we would 973 01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,480 Speaker 1: like to hear from you whether you have had a 974 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,120 Speaker 1: near death experience and out of body experience, whether you 975 01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,840 Speaker 1: think the current scientific theories of this hold any water? 976 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,000 Speaker 1: Do they have sand? If so? Why? If not? Why not? 977 01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: And we're about oh is that you know. I'm not 978 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,920 Speaker 1: gonna say anything this time. I'm just gonna let you 979 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 1: hear the sound of the mic clicking on and sit 980 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:18,040 Speaker 1: here in silence. Okay, Well, I know, oh you are here. 981 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm here, Okay, I was just kidding. Oh good, all right, So, 982 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: uh no, what do you what do you think? Do 983 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:26,640 Speaker 1: you have you ever had and you know, there's a 984 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 1: very personal question, have you ever had out of body 985 01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,080 Speaker 1: experience or anything like that? No, I mean the closest 986 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,640 Speaker 1: thing I've had are like brushes with things that one 987 01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:41,720 Speaker 1: could interpret as being a sign of of the afterlife 988 01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,440 Speaker 1: for you know, what happens next. But I've usually been 989 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:47,520 Speaker 1: able to justify them in some way or another. But 990 01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 1: I can't help but like, remember the feeling of feeling 991 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:56,280 Speaker 1: like that was a thing, even though I was able 992 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: to later kind of say, oh, no, this is actually 993 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:00,600 Speaker 1: what happened. Um, So I'm sort of the fence about 994 01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:02,400 Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff. I wouldn't say I don't 995 01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:06,080 Speaker 1: believe that that stuff is possible, but I definitely I 996 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:12,160 Speaker 1: don't know enough to know. Would you mind a little bit? 997 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's a there's a couple. There's one in 998 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 1: particular where the girl used to date in college. Um, 999 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: a good friend of ours passed away in a car accident, 1000 01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: and she would just kind of come and meet me 1001 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:25,720 Speaker 1: in between classes and we would hang out her car 1002 01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:27,320 Speaker 1: for a while or just kind of in the area. 1003 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,720 Speaker 1: But there was one time where it was cold, so 1004 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:32,120 Speaker 1: we were definitely staying in her car and um, she 1005 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,000 Speaker 1: was sitting in there waiting for me, and I got 1006 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,160 Speaker 1: there and she looked really upset and freaked out, and 1007 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,120 Speaker 1: I was like, what's wrong. And she kind of looked 1008 01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,760 Speaker 1: at the windshield on the instide the windshield and she 1009 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: sort of blew on it, and the girl who had 1010 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: died her signature was there on the inside of the windshield. 1011 01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: And it was like this intense moment of like, oh 1012 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,280 Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm experiencing this thing, this is real, like 1013 01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,600 Speaker 1: all this stuff is really happening. And then you know, 1014 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:55,760 Speaker 1: you us to give it a little more thought and 1015 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,959 Speaker 1: you realize, you know, she hadn't died that long ago, 1016 01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 1: and they rode together a lot, and um, you know, 1017 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,720 Speaker 1: they were like in their late teens early twenties. Is 1018 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,320 Speaker 1: this the kind of thing a girl would do is 1019 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,080 Speaker 1: like write her name on conversation on the inside of 1020 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:07,800 Speaker 1: a wind on the one on the inside of a window, 1021 01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:10,400 Speaker 1: and um, you know, it's ready to do on new 1022 01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,520 Speaker 1: fingers that can kind of stick around. And so that's 1023 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: now I explained that, but it doesn't really change the 1024 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 1: fact that at the time I felt this like intense 1025 01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,320 Speaker 1: connection to something, which is you know, it's weird, it's 1026 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: kind of sad to explain it away in a way, 1027 01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,920 Speaker 1: but I don't know that's what that was. Well in 1028 01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,240 Speaker 1: in a way, explaining it in that manner is a 1029 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:35,040 Speaker 1: coping mechanism, right, You're not only even though it's kind 1030 01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:38,280 Speaker 1: of a hard thing to do sometimes it also I 1031 01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:39,880 Speaker 1: don't know, it's one of those things where you when 1032 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,760 Speaker 1: you can bring that light out in the darkness and say, well, 1033 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,320 Speaker 1: maybe this is what it is. I don't know, it 1034 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,440 Speaker 1: actually makes me feel better. Yeah, no, I mean, it's 1035 01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:52,280 Speaker 1: definitely it was an interesting experience. I've had other moments 1036 01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:55,320 Speaker 1: like that, but nothing that's pushed me over the edge. 1037 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't discount anything. I like to think 1038 01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:02,000 Speaker 1: that there's certainly things beyond my understanding, but I will 1039 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,040 Speaker 1: probably never understand, so I choose not to be a 1040 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:07,560 Speaker 1: jerk and say it's all focus. Oh yeah, I think 1041 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:12,240 Speaker 1: absolutism is probably a a foolish move, especially when we 1042 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:17,439 Speaker 1: consider when we consider how much of human history has 1043 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,440 Speaker 1: been a It's like you remember that old story and 1044 01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,040 Speaker 1: we may mention on the air about the elephant and 1045 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:28,360 Speaker 1: the mice, and there's, yeah, there's there are larger things, 1046 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:33,440 Speaker 1: and human understanding is so cartoonishly limited at this point 1047 01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:41,160 Speaker 1: that it seems almost arrogant too. This too completely discount anything. 1048 01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,640 Speaker 1: Uh I don't I don't feel like it's necessarily sad 1049 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,440 Speaker 1: if there is a scientific explanation, because that shows that 1050 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,840 Speaker 1: there is some sort of progress. But there's so much 1051 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: stuff that we as a species are still grossly incapable 1052 01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 1: of measuring, let alone understanding. Right, Like we we get 1053 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,160 Speaker 1: to the brain and and you know, it's true that 1054 01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 1: there's a lot of pseudoscience, and it's true that there 1055 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,640 Speaker 1: are a lot of Charlatan's and swindlers and things like that, 1056 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:13,160 Speaker 1: but it's also true that there are brilliant people working 1057 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,280 Speaker 1: every day to add just a little more light to 1058 01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:20,320 Speaker 1: this cavernous universe. And uh, I just want to I 1059 01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:22,000 Speaker 1: want to be along for the ride, man, I want 1060 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,400 Speaker 1: to see what happens. It's interesting stuff. I mean, it's 1061 01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,360 Speaker 1: interesting times for sure. It seems like every day there's 1062 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:33,680 Speaker 1: something new that either completely contradicts or you know, it 1063 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,960 Speaker 1: starts a whole new ideas. Here's a question, and Matt, 1064 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,920 Speaker 1: what do you guys think do you think maybe this 1065 01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:45,240 Speaker 1: this is a question that presupposes a lot of stuff. Listeners, 1066 01:05:45,240 --> 01:05:48,760 Speaker 1: So I understand if it's a loaded question, are we 1067 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,000 Speaker 1: maybe not supposed to know what happens after we die? 1068 01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:54,720 Speaker 1: Or is there really just no answer? Is it really 1069 01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,520 Speaker 1: just that's it? Is it? Like? Remember that video game 1070 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:59,360 Speaker 1: Captain Planet where you have to play the whole thing 1071 01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:02,360 Speaker 1: through and you only up one life? No, it was 1072 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:06,439 Speaker 1: a really difficult video. Heard of this video games? Yeah? 1073 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,960 Speaker 1: How have I not played that? Uh? Well, let me 1074 01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,320 Speaker 1: save you sometime, man. Oh no, because I'm gonna sit 1075 01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:14,720 Speaker 1: down and then not get up until I beat it. 1076 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:19,040 Speaker 1: But shoot, Like, if there is something, then why why 1077 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:25,280 Speaker 1: is there no proof? Why do people have no clue? 1078 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:32,480 Speaker 1: Me included? It's because the experience of what being alive 1079 01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:36,840 Speaker 1: is outside of being alive as a human, So, like 1080 01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:38,880 Speaker 1: you have to separate the two. So being alive as 1081 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:42,000 Speaker 1: a human is a thing that happens, right, You become 1082 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: alive all of a sudden out of nowhere. Then you 1083 01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:47,800 Speaker 1: become not alive at some point further down the line. 1084 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:52,960 Speaker 1: Right now, what I'm proposing, gentlemen, is that that whole 1085 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:57,360 Speaker 1: experience that is all an arcade game set in the 1086 01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:02,360 Speaker 1: Rick and Morty universe. Uh, that's what it is. You 1087 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,280 Speaker 1: just start doing it and then you end up you're 1088 01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,960 Speaker 1: back and it's like wa wa dog dub and you're like, 1089 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,840 Speaker 1: oh man, that's what the whole thing was. So if 1090 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,400 Speaker 1: you were ever in a dramatic accident and you hear 1091 01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:18,160 Speaker 1: in the distance, Wabba Labba dog baba, yeah, it's like, oh, okay, 1092 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:20,640 Speaker 1: I'm alright, it's just Rick. Yeah. No, I mean backing 1093 01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,000 Speaker 1: it up to something slightly serious. I guess I'm sorry. No, No, 1094 01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,320 Speaker 1: that's great. It is great. Um, it's like you said that, 1095 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,320 Speaker 1: we're sort of blinked into existence, you know, based on 1096 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,760 Speaker 1: whatever circumstances. But then somewhere along the line we developed 1097 01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:39,080 Speaker 1: this entitlement where we're like, we deserve to know. I mean, 1098 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:44,240 Speaker 1: you got me, that's true. Shots fired, but that is all. 1099 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Well what do you think? Listeners? Thanks so much for listening, 1100 01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,480 Speaker 1: and we hope you enjoyed this. Again, death is a 1101 01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:56,200 Speaker 1: serious and universal thing. So while we might be joking 1102 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,040 Speaker 1: around a little bit, it is I think, is we 1103 01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:02,520 Speaker 1: said earlier, a little bit of whistling through the graveyard maybe, 1104 01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,440 Speaker 1: But we hope you found this U interesting. You hope 1105 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:11,280 Speaker 1: you found it um worth worthwhile, and more importantly, we'd 1106 01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,320 Speaker 1: like to hear from you. Yeah, we we want to 1107 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,880 Speaker 1: do a bit of a poll of our own. Have 1108 01:08:16,160 --> 01:08:19,960 Speaker 1: you experienced any kind of near death experience? And if not, 1109 01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:23,320 Speaker 1: that maybe an out of body experience? Uh? And do 1110 01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,439 Speaker 1: you have a relative that has a great story. We 1111 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,600 Speaker 1: just want to know. We want to we want to 1112 01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,840 Speaker 1: know if you even believe in this stuff or what 1113 01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,800 Speaker 1: you believe happens when we die. We want to know 1114 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:34,760 Speaker 1: all of that stuff because we just been and I 1115 01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,320 Speaker 1: are curious. And again, you guys always send us the 1116 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: best ideas, so the next time we update this will 1117 01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,400 Speaker 1: be like, oh, look at all these people said they 1118 01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,439 Speaker 1: knew way more than us, Ben right, Yes, it's true. 1119 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,840 Speaker 1: And if it is a personal story that you do 1120 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,240 Speaker 1: not want to have on the air, yes, then please 1121 01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:56,280 Speaker 1: let us know that as well. We'll write to everybody 1122 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: who writes in and and just check and make sure 1123 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 1: that's cool where we bring anything to the public, but 1124 01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,920 Speaker 1: we are going to head out. Oh and met people 1125 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:10,639 Speaker 1: want probably want to know the best way to contact us. Right, Yes, 1126 01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,720 Speaker 1: that is important information, and here it is. You can 1127 01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,920 Speaker 1: find us on Facebook and on Twitter. We are conspiracy 1128 01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:20,040 Speaker 1: Stuff or at conspiracy Stuff on both of those. You 1129 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:21,880 Speaker 1: can find us on Google Plus if you use that 1130 01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:27,280 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff again, it exists, Ben, we are there. Uh, 1131 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,560 Speaker 1: and you know find us on YouTube. 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