WEBVTT - Ghosts 101 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.320 From UFOs to ghosts and government cover ups. History is 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:08.000 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:16.079 learn the stuff they don't want you to. Now, let's 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:21.800 start with the story. It was a dark and stormy night. 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:26.880 As Matt Frederick walked down to the parking deck. He 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:31.400 heard a noise behind it. Oh, it steps or just 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:38.120 the wind. It's just He continued walking, and the footsteps 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:43.080 or the wind again. He turned this wall figure round 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:48.080 in the corner, a familiar figure perhaps. Matt ran to 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.000 the side of the corner, poked his head around to 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:59.080 find nothing there. Hey, everybody, welcome to the show. My 0:00:59.200 --> 0:01:01.920 name is Matt, and uh, what was your name again? 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:06.080 I am Ben Okay, good, good, totally Ben Boland, not 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:10.000 possessed by any unearthly spirit of which I am aware, one, 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:16.440 human ish and really excited to talk about today's topic, 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.280 which I think. I think we'll be covering more specific 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:23.480 cases of this in the future, but today we're just 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:28.039 going to talk about ghosts. What is a ghost? Where 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.120 can you find one? Why do so many people believe 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:35.040 in them? Has there ever been any accepted proof or 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.040 is there any way that we could explain what is perceived? 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:42.479 As a ghostly phenomenon. Now we do know the ghosts 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.119 have been around since before the dawn of recorded history. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:48.840 Oh wait, let me stop myself. Belief in ghost has 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:51.560 been around since that time, right, and since stories have 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:55.760 been written down, ghosts have been in those stories. Uh. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.840 Like the epic of Gilgamesh, that was one of the 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:01.280 first times that or was the first time that a 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.560 ghost was spoken about, or the spirit of the underworld 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.799 or essentially the afterlife, and it was what was it 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.200 the I don't know if I'm saying right, but the 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.040 end could do I think is the name of the 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:18.920 ghost that Gilgamesh talks to. Um, it's kind of I 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.120 don't know, it's part of the underworld. Fascinating and and 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.919 just the idea that back in the day when stories 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:26.880 were written down, and I don't even know that year, 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.840 like two thousands something b c e. When it was 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.240 written down, people were thinking about that, thinking about the 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.480 underworld and what happens after you die, right, And we 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.760 know that this is some people will tell you that 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:47.120 the question of an afterlife is the driving question of 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:51.080 the human experience. You know, we've we've read a book 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.520 called The Denial of Death. Let me save you some 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:57.760 time because it's long. The thesis of this book is, uh, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.680 that everything human beings do which is not survival oriented 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:08.959 is essentially a distraction from the inescapable truth that everybody 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:12.560 will die at some point. Uh. It's called fanatology, the 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:19.000 study of death. Think of like Fanos from The Avengers thinks, uh. Yeah, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.799 and when we when we think about this, then we 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:29.120 immediately encounter one of the more skeptical explanations for ghosts, right, 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.360 And then one of those skeptical explanations would be that 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:37.080 people want to see ghosts or we want to have 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:42.640 evidence of an afterlife, that there's an enormous confirmation bias 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.520 so that we do not have to address the idea 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:49.360 of oblivion. Yeah, it's a very comforting thought that somehow, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.800 in some way, whatever I am will continue to exist 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:57.600 after I at least my body ceases to exist once 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.800 we shuffle from the mortal coil. And know that this 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:06.000 belief is still prevalent in the modern day, wouldn't you say, oh, yeah, Well, 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:09.440 the best statistic that I have is from two thousand five, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.800 and it comes from the article uh, how to ghost work? 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:16.120 That's actually on how stuffworks dot Com and it's it's 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.840 a gallop pole that stated. I think it was thirty 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.640 two of the respondents believe in ghosts, like straight up 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.880 believe in ghosts, and then another nineteen percent said well, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.320 I'm not really sure, and then I think it was 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.359 a percent said no, no man, alright, so forty percent 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:38.120 basically Jonathan Strict lent Yeah, yeah, And I think, well, 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.200 is it too early to ask where you would lie 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.760 in there? Should we? Should we cover that later? Um? 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:46.280 You know what we can. I think it'll be nuanced, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.200 So let's get to those a little bit later, if 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.160 that's okay, because there there are a couple of things 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:57.640 we can explore here. Those statistics are fascinating because that 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.440 means that just a little bit less than a third 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:05.040 of the people pulled said absolutely, yes, ghost are real. 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.679 You know, don't turn off the lights and say bloody 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.240 Mary because you know you just don't know. Don't poke 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:16.080 a ethereal Hornet's nest. Well, yeah, it's oh man. I 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.600 can definitely say I've been there in my life where 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.320 I've really truly believed in ghosts when I was a 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.360 bit younger. I'm not going to talk about this right now. 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.040 It's just trying to identify with someone who would who 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.360 would say, yes, I believe in ghosts, and I wonder 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:33.599 if it has anything to do with belief in spiritual 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.920 afterlife like religious belief. Interesting, So what's the correlation? Yeah, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.039 I would like I'd like to see those numbers, and 0:05:40.240 --> 0:05:42.840 I I didn't. I couldn't find a great poll that 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.679 was comparing the two. Yeah, it's very tough to find 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.760 an accurate way of measuring this stuff because you know, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.920 of course, somebody's spirituality, whether or not it's tied into 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:58.680 their beliefs in ghost or paranormal phenomenon, that belief in 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.320 that spiritual belief will always be a very personal thing. 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:07.880 So it's tough to get an objective measurement of someone's 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.920 subjective feelings. Even or even our ghost pole is just 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:16.000 ranking the people who openly identified as yes, believing in 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.240 ghosts or not, and we don't really know their motivations. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:21.440 We'd like to think their motivation was telling the truth. 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.640 But I was thinking about this, Matt. It's completely possible 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:28.800 that nine of the people said I don't know, just 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.640 in case, and then it's also possible that the people 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.880 who said there were no ghosts were you know, terrified 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.479 that if they admit it, somebody's gonna look at this 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.120 pole and they're gonna know. I believe in ghosts, right, yeah, 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:46.440 or something like that. And we we covered the afterlife 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.880 and a couple of other ghostly topics in our video 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.719 series a while back, right, Yeah, we did. We we 0:06:52.800 --> 0:06:55.200 talked about ghosts in the Law I think was one 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.719 of them, and what was the other one? Ghosts We 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.560 talked about post in law. We talked about whether or 0:07:01.640 --> 0:07:05.039 not there was an afterlife, and various people believe in 0:07:05.080 --> 0:07:08.480 life after death, yes, and what happens to the brain 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.520 at the moment of death. And well, let's let's go 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:15.880 a little wide wide here at the end. Yeah, let's 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:20.040 just talk about what exactly what do you call like 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:24.200 what happened? So? And then I say, let's talk about 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.119 what happens for me to say if I experienced something. 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:30.280 Oh wait, I think I saw a ghost. Okay, so 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.400 this is really high level stuff, so bear with me here. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.920 But but it's anything from shadows to cold to flickering lights, 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.200 shapes and pictures like the orbs that you've heard about. 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:46.120 I'm sure, um, let's see the there's even sleep paralysis 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:52.640 or something called hypogogic trance, which is really interesting to me. Um. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.920 These are all the different ways you would experience a ghost, 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.760 and several of them are easily explainable. But when you 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.800 get down to it, Uh, a couple of these things 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.480 are happening in your brain. Well, it's all happening in 0:08:06.480 --> 0:08:10.440 your brain, right, But a lot of it just comes 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.920 down to your perception and the way your brain takes 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.840 in stimuli. Right. Yeah. And another one we should mention 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:21.080 before people start writing the emails is e v P 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:26.960 or the voice phenomenon. Uh. And I think that's a 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.560 great point, man, when we talk about the sensory information, 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:35.520 how our brains interpret that. Uh. Because I have a 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:39.760 proposition for the ghost stuff. Um. We we have a 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:43.600 couple of options here, and I'm going to make I'm 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.200 going to make three options, and I want to see 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.160 if you think if these can cover our basis on 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.400 the possibility of ghosts. Are you ready? All? Right? Number 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:58.480 one and the least exciting, it's all b s. There 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.120 is no ghostly afterlife, or if there is an afterlife, 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:07.120 there's no way that people are returning or leaving residue behind. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:14.000 And everything from Gilgamesh to now is uh wishful thinking 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:16.920 or confirmation bias. That's one uh, and that would be 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:21.079 the most skeptical. Second, there's the other idea, the other 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:24.680 side of the spectrum. Ghost are real. Ghosts are real 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.920 there with us now because there is some sort of 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.800 sensory barrier between the living and the dead, uh, their 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:38.840 their perception problems or something. Um. But then in that idea, 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.800 ghosts would most definitely be real and we simply don't 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:47.360 have the means for most people to encounter them. Third option. 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.959 The third option is a little bit science fiction e E E. Ready. 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:56.400 It's the idea that ghosts or what we perceive to 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:03.800 be ghost may actually be symptomatic of another scientific phenomenon 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.760 that we have yet to understand. And this would mean, 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:15.120 for example, that maybe electro magnetic abnormalities in an environment 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.520 trigger sensations, you know, so they trigger that sensation of 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.199 maybe it's like nausea, or your your skin is tingling, 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.960 you feel like someone just stepped over your grave in 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:31.040 the future. Uh. Now, clearly, out of those three, um, 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:36.080 my money would be on number three because we do 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.200 have proof that what has been perceived as a paranormal 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:44.360 phenomenon before has been later found to be um some 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:50.760 sort of clear some sort of clearly explicable scientific phenomenon. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.640 Now I don't think that that makes this idea any 0:10:55.760 --> 0:11:01.280 less ghostly or any any less important. That's interesting. Then 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.600 I wonder if there's another, like a fourth one. Yeah, 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:12.640 some kind of temporal distortion or uh time continuing problem 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.480 that causes it to occur, which may fall into the 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:18.560 third category, I suppose. But yeah, that's great, And that 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.600 third one is really broad. They're all broad categories because 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.520 essentially you've got number one, no such thing, Number two, yes, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.040 straight out of a horror movie, coming like through your 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.760 eyes on the anniversary of their strangling or something. And 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.640 the third one we've got everything that could be you know, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:37.080 science we don't understand. So these are broad categories. And 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.800 I love that you mentioned the temporal distortion, because since 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:48.680 we don't have any any devices that have successfully defined 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:52.840 or observed a non corporeal entity, which is really what 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:58.000 we're talking about, then we have to we have to 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:02.680 relegate ourselves at this point to a few philosophical things 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.440 that that are very important. And one of one of 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:08.680 these things I think is hugely important often gets ignored 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:11.880 when we talk about the possibility of ghosts. When I 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:15.000 said we, I mean, you know, society at large. One 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.360 thing we we ignore consistently is that the nature of 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:25.040 consciousness is still unexplained thousands of years. You know, we've 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.800 had the smartest people in human history trying to figure 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.800 out what makes something aware or self aware, you know, 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:36.280 and we've we've covered this. But one one thing that's 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:42.640 inherent to that idea, that inexplicable idea, is that the 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:47.400 more we try to define and explore and sort of 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.760 demarcate the boundaries of consciousness, uh, the more difficult the 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.640 problem becomes. We're you know, I think we said in 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:57.679 an earlier podcast, you know, I talked about how we're 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.520 still kind of in the dark ages, like future historians 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.920 are gonna look back and laugh at maybe laugh at 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:05.640 us not being able to find the souls of the 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:10.680 dead for so long. But the idea, the the idea 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:15.480 of for instance, uh, quantum entanglement, right become became sort 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.760 of pop si and it was like popular science fiction. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.000 So people would throw it around in a very BuzzFeed 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.760 way at deja vu because I have quantum entanglements somehow 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.679 or um, you know, they would they would sort of 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:33.480 misuse or gloss over the idea, But it still is 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:38.439 possible that there are there There are things that we 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:43.400 have yet to adequately describe about consciousness, about the nature 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:47.600 of time and space itself. So is it possible then 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.920 if if we were to go back and just make 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:54.600 this purely a thought exercise, would we would we say 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:59.920 that when a person dies, a corpse is left behind. Right, 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:04.920 that's a physical residue of their existence. Right, So when 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:10.920 their brain stops firing electricity and the whole crazy train 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.440 network that is the human mind finally stops. Um, is 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:19.120 there a non physical residue left behind? I think it's 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.560 a very interesting question, and I hate to sound like 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:26.200 I'm himming or haying, but it's such an interesting question 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:30.000 that it stops me from saying that something like a 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:33.560 ghost doesn't exist. You know. Yeah, it's a scary thought 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:38.400 that there's nothing afterwards, and it's kind of the I 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:40.600 don't know, it's it's a weird thing because it becomes 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:44.960 the crux of your belief and everything else that one belief. Yeah, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.840 all your eggs in one basket. Huh. I don't know. 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:50.520 It's hard for me. So all right, Well, I guess 0:14:50.520 --> 0:14:53.560 we're here. Then so we're at this point, so you're 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.080 in the I don't know category officially if you had to, 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.560 if you had to respond to that pool, I I 0:14:58.920 --> 0:15:01.000 you know, if I had too, if I had to 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:04.120 respond to the poll, what I would say, Man, you 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.359 don't get to say anything. You get to choose one. Huh. Yeah, Okay, 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.280 who am I in that thirty, that nineteen or the other. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.600 I think I'm gonna have to go with the And 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:18.600 I hate to. I hate to do this, but there's 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.920 just not enough evidence. There's there's not enough stuff that 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:27.200 we can point to and replicate that proves the existence 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:32.600 of an afterlife. Yeah, and I I have some stories 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.320 about it, and I know you do too, So I'll 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.840 have to ask you, what do you think? Matt in 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:42.160 two thousand two, and prior I would have checked yes, uh. 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:46.520 From two thousand to until about two thousand six, I 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:51.720 would have said no um. And then from now from 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.640 two thousand six onward, I would say I don't know. 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.440 So your your opinion of this matter is sort of evolved. 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:03.720 It's uh, it's linked fourth the men really to myself? Okay, yeah, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.040 what happened? What happened? It was again and it's strange. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.440 And I was only speaking earlier about the correlation between 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.040 spiritual belief and belief in something like a ghost or 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:17.120 an afterlife, because it's kind of how it went with me. 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:22.480 UM believed hardcore and the afterlife when I was a 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.360 kid growing up. Then I completely threw it in the 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.320 trash and decided I need to learn everything, and I 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.280 don't believe in any of this. And then I kind 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.800 of got to a middle ground where once you start 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:37.560 learning enough, you realize that there's so many complexities that 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.600 who the heck am I to truly believe in something 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:44.680 as hardcore as there's something as absolute as no, there's 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:49.000 no such thing as this. Yeah, it's absolutes are often 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.760 tricky things for someone to juggle, right, because we very 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:58.400 very rarely live in absolutes in real life. Um, one 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.520 of the only absolutes, of course, being death. Right. Okay, 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.639 I'm gonna stop hitting that one so hard. Uh So, 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:09.760 let's let's take it in a different direction here. I'll 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.280 tell you some of the same things. It's very interesting 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.640 to me to know that your spiritual evolution, if you will, 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:22.400 or philosophical evolution, was so inextricably tied to this perception 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.640 or belief or in ghosts or not in ghosts. Uh. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:31.040 When I was younger, I was a younger tyke. I 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:35.680 actually was an amateur ghost hunter. And you know these stories, right, 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:41.240 So I'm just right, you wouldn't expect it, maybe you would. Uh. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:46.120 So I had all of the tools and my infrared sensors, 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:50.639 my E M F detectors, set up cameras and voice 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:55.720 recorders and things like that, went to strange places, um, 0:17:55.760 --> 0:18:00.639 you know, allegedly haunted schools, abandoned hospitals, ridges with a 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.960 history of murder, the whole nine. And while I had 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:10.560 some great times, I never personally stumbled on a ghost. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:15.080 Now it would be, of course, cartoonishly arrogant to say, 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.720 because I didn't find something a handful of times, it's 0:18:18.760 --> 0:18:23.320 not true, that's weird. By that logic. Rhinoceroses are also 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:29.880 b s, right. But what what I did find was that, um, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.919 some of the people I was working with wanted it 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:37.880 to be real, so much so that they would willfully 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:44.320 mistake something for something that it wasn't. But where where 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.840 my family comes from, there is a widespread traditional belief 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:53.200 in ghosts that actually clashed with Christianity. For a time, 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.719 and well, you know, the idea, the idea and a 0:18:56.720 --> 0:19:00.560 lot of Christian cannon is that when a soul dies, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:05.080 it is judged and it goes somewhere else, right, like 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:10.160 the ghost of the departed rarely hang out to nudge 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.800 your wigia board. But um, I guess it depends on 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:21.280 which Protestant version you ascribe yourself to. Sure, the Catholic 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.920 Church is always interested me in that regard the idea 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:26.160 of purgatory. Anyway, well we can talk about that way. 0:19:26.240 --> 0:19:29.040 Oh yeah, yeah, Now you and I are dating ourselves 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.120 because the idea of limbo or purgatory was slowly phased out. 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.560 It's interesting we should talk about that in future episode 0:19:35.560 --> 0:19:40.040 two one. One thing that always fascinated me was that 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:43.240 some of the people I know who do believe in ghosts, 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.760 or who did at one time uh drew a sharp 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.960 line between what they would say, we're ghosts uh and 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:54.600 demons or spirits and and the idea here for anyone 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:59.640 un familiar, is that a ghost is a human soul, right, 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:04.800 but a demon or a spirit is from somewhere else. 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:10.960 That idea is fascinating to me as well. I gotta 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.320 tell you the there there were a handful of experiences, 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:19.080 none of which, oddly enough, for during my ghost hunting phase, uh, 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.880 that I have yet to explain or understand. Um. One 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.720 of them that sticks out in my mind was that 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:31.760 I went to the Mark Twain house in Massachusetts. So 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.639 at one point in in this tour of this house, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.880 I was getting hit with waves of deja vu, which 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.520 was a little bit strange for me at the time. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:47.440 And then I started to see these bright kind of 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:51.679 yellowish orbs moving around the room and to on the 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.800 ceiling and stuff. I still haven't explained. I don't think 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:59.640 it was a ghost necessarily. I don't know what happened. 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:03.520 Maybe I had some bad lobster rolls or something. But 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:09.240 have you considered reincarnation? Have I considered reincarnations? Perhaps you're 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:13.240 remembering your past self. Ah, that's a that's a very 0:21:13.320 --> 0:21:17.320 interesting idea, because another another angle to the ghost thing, 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:22.360 right is, um the idea that you are somehow encountering 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:26.120 a piece of you from somewhere else, which I think 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:31.160 is fantastic fodder for fiction. I didn't mean to interrupt. No, No, 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.800 that's it. That's the story. I'm glad you you didn't interrupt. 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.440 You brought it to a great book is about Peter 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:39.520 Out that's crazy, man. Did you have any experiences that 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.360 you could not explain? I haven't had anything like that. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.760 I've been searching for an experience like that in my 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:50.080 entire life. And I will put myself in positions where 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:55.600 I think something might happen and nothing yet. So we'll see. 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:59.800 And another thing that we should mention at this point 0:21:59.880 --> 0:22:03.440 is that we would love to hear your ghost stories. 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.919 We want to know about the local legends of your area. 0:22:07.320 --> 0:22:11.200 We also want to know about your personal experiences right 0:22:11.280 --> 0:22:14.480 to us. Tell us a ghost story and it just 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.479 might make it on the air. Yeah, and tell us 0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.879 where you would fall on that pole um. Definitely your stories. 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.239 And if you're if you want to check out this 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:27.280 website that we stumbled upon while we were don't do 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.440 our research for this, uh it is. It's really great. 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:33.480 You can look at pictures and you basically get to vote. 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:36.240 It's all about voting today, but you get to vote 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:38.800 on whether or not you think the picture is real, faked, 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:43.879 or you're just you're not sure. It's called Science of 0:22:43.960 --> 0:22:47.720 Ghosts dot WordPress dot com and it's just pictures where 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:53.119 you can basically look at the newest ghost pictures. Some 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.879 of them are obviously fake. It's just worn here right 0:22:55.880 --> 0:23:00.320 now now for everybody who hasn't already noticed this. Uh, 0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:05.320 that is our go to guy for figuring out if 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.240 a photo is faked. Often because you have you have 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:14.480 the professional ability to check out the photo itself and 0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.840 look at it with a much more educated eye than 0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:19.680 the average guy. It is weird that I can say, yes, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:23.720 I can professionally check out your photos. Uh. The worst thing. 0:23:24.760 --> 0:23:27.359 The bad thing about this is that the technology and 0:23:27.400 --> 0:23:31.520 software is getting so powerful that it's becoming difficult to tell. 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.880 So you're saying it's easier to make a fake photograph 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:39.240 that looks more genuine it is. So it's this weird thing. 0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.760 If you're trying to discern whether or not something is real, 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:47.000 perhaps a UFO photograph or video or a ghost there's 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.040 there's so many things you have to bring into it, 0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.199 not just what the image looks like and some of 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:58.160 the standard things like if you're looking at the let's 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:02.280 say the compression or something like that, it's it's you 0:24:02.320 --> 0:24:05.080 can replicate that now, I can you can replicate it 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:09.560 so easily. The distortion and a photograph m it's it's 0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:12.800 pretty crazy, man. There's another question I want to ask 0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:17.760 the listeners man, which is, if you believe in ghosts, 0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:24.399 then why do you think there's been no universally accepted 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.280 proof of ghost or contact from the afterlife? And I 0:24:28.320 --> 0:24:30.240 think this is a very good question. It's one that 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.760 we touched on in our video part of our video 0:24:33.800 --> 0:24:37.800 series on ghost What is the idea that there's such 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:42.240 an anomaly here? Because again, we cannot emphasize this enough. 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:47.960 For the entirety of human history, people have believed in 0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:52.600 ghost for the entirety of human history, there has been 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:56.040 no universally accepted Well, that's not true. Since the dawn 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.840 of the scientific age, there's been no universally accepted proof 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:05.239 of uh an afterlife. I would be very excited to 0:25:05.320 --> 0:25:09.400 learn about this um and I would also I don't 0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:12.120 you know, it's strange to think about it in such 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:17.280 a high level situation, but if there were some universally 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:23.080 accepted proof of ghostly activity, barring aliens met it would 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:30.600 be the most significant innovation in the modern age. Their discovery. Rather, 0:25:30.600 --> 0:25:33.800 it's probably a better word, huh, because it's it's already there. 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.960 If it's there, I don't mean to ask. You have 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:39.840 so many questions. But I was just thinking about my 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.960 favorite ghost films of all time, because you know, that's 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:48.760 my other expertise. And man, I was really trying to 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.080 nail down what my favorite one is, and I figured 0:25:51.080 --> 0:25:55.920 out what it is. Don't say ghost, it's Gearmobile, Toro's 0:25:56.080 --> 0:25:59.800 the Devil's Backbone. That's my favorite one. It's like, hands down, 0:25:59.840 --> 0:26:02.840 my favorite ghost story. Oh, that is an amazing one. 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:08.000 On favorite ghost story, Man, I don't know, Matt, that's 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:13.199 that's a very good question. My favorite ghost story in 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.960 general or film? I would say film, but in my 0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:19.639 head and that's just a story on film. Yeah, okay, 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.520 I'm gonna need some time to think that way over. 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:26.200 How about you listening? What do you think? What's your 0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:29.240 what's your all time favorite? You should let me know 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.919 because I don't know. I wanna watch more ghost movies. 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:36.480