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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the NFL Legis Podcast. I'm an

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Speaker 1: S Williams. Part two with the Pro Bowl Captains Michael Vick,

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Speaker 1: Darryl Green, Tarrell Davis with the salute Bruce Smith. You

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Speaker 1: don't want him rushing your quarterback when the game is

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Speaker 1: on the line. No welcome back in you guys. Terrell

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Speaker 1: tell us about your hero roles. But how much did

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Speaker 1: Marcus have an impact in your life? A big time?

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Speaker 1: And i'mnna getting that in a second. But I played

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Speaker 1: against Bruce my first game, my first professional game, end

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Speaker 1: of the starter, and there was a few plays where

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Speaker 1: we leave Bruce alone for whatever reason. Yeah, they're going

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Speaker 1: away from him, so the backside, they'll put the back

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Speaker 1: on it on the end, but every the protection goes

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Speaker 1: the opposite way, which made no sense to me, right,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if you remember this, but I

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Speaker 1: try to cut you one time. I didn't mean to

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Speaker 1: Mr Broes, I was. I need to do it, believe me.

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Speaker 1: When when they're drawn up, and you in the and

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Speaker 1: you in the meeting room, they tell you how to

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Speaker 1: cut this man. I'm like, number one, did you really

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Speaker 1: trust me to be on somebody? Like that's ridiculous that

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Speaker 1: then there's a flaw in your protection. So yeah, growing up,

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Speaker 1: here's my story. Grow up in San Diego, Marcus Allen was,

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Speaker 1: he was, he was the man, you know. So when

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Speaker 1: he went to play for Valencia Park Pop Warner, that's

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Speaker 1: where I went. I was in VP Pop Warner and

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Speaker 1: so you watched him. When he left San Diego, he

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Speaker 1: went to USC, left USC, went to the Raiders, and

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Speaker 1: so this whole time my faller Marcus. And in high

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Speaker 1: school he actually wasn't even a running back. As a quarterback, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was a quarterback. And then his brother, Damon, he

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Speaker 1: was before him to Damon was really good. Damon that

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Speaker 1: was really good. He went up to CFL played play

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Speaker 1: football there. But their family and that sort of football.

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Speaker 1: They were like the Mannings basically out of San Diego.

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Speaker 1: And if I had one model that I was looking

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Speaker 1: at was Marcus Salem. But I'm also saying I end

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Speaker 1: up meeting which is random as hell. Reggie White in

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Speaker 1: San Diego. He was a pastor, right he was. So

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Speaker 1: I met Reggie. We had a chance. At high school,

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Speaker 1: we would have these kind of uh they would treat

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Speaker 1: you to like to go these like Bible studies, and

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Speaker 1: one time we went and had no knowledge who was

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Speaker 1: actually delivering the message there, and we go there and

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Speaker 1: it's Reggie White. Now again, I didn't know Reggie. I know,

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Speaker 1: he's just a big old man, and he talked to

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Speaker 1: respect for Reggie after that because I realized he played football.

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Speaker 1: He was playing for the Eagles at the time, and

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Speaker 1: I was like, man, So I watched Reggie White for

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Speaker 1: a long time. But my my admiration for him was

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Speaker 1: what even football related. It was because I had a

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Speaker 1: chance to meet him. You ever if you meet that dude. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And so because my whole idea about football players was

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Speaker 1: I thought they were all like arrogant, cocky, like they

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Speaker 1: And he broke every single stand and that kind of

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Speaker 1: got me like, I love Reggie White. They didn't happen

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Speaker 1: to play against him in the Super Bowl. I felt

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Speaker 1: the man but you know, we had to do what

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Speaker 1: we had to do. But that that's it. Michael, What

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Speaker 1: did you learn from your experience at your Pro Bowls?

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Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, I learned to appreciate it um

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Speaker 1: more so being around the guys and learning that, you know,

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Speaker 1: that they had a cool side, more personality that you

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Speaker 1: And and then just being on the field, knowing you

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Speaker 1: me see what he does. And I think I'm better

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Speaker 1: For me, you know, I don't. I am doing it,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at they're looking at Texas A, and I like, hey,

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Speaker 1: Texas A? And I man, where is that? But I

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Speaker 1: this guy like man, I can just say this guy.

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Speaker 1: So the same thing in the Pro Bowl. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's the mentality you have at the Combine. Man, you

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Speaker 1: could find somebody like me. You know, I'm humbly and

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Speaker 1: I said, that's it's needed, and you can't be shot.

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Speaker 1: We were in desperate times and these young men need help.

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Speaker 1: We need to and we don't have to be insecure now.

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Speaker 1: If they reject this, then you know, like the Boba said,

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Speaker 1: He was history. I mean, this guy was not just

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