Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome. The Mother knows that we have some
Speaker 1: breaking news for you today.
Speaker 2: We finally have a verdict and Karen Read's second trial,
Speaker 2: and she is not guilty on second degree murder manslaughter
Speaker 2: while upbraiding a vehicle under the influence and leaving the scene.
Speaker 1: All right, So what do you think about this? I'm
Speaker 1: definitely not surprised.
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised either, because they didn't have any good
Speaker 2: evidence that proved that she did it. I mean, this
Speaker 2: whole entire investigation was botched, and I think there was
Speaker 2: definitely enough reasonable doubt that they couldn't confidently convict her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean, we really looked into this
Speaker 1: case a couple of months ago, and I never thought
Speaker 1: that they were going to be able to convict her.
Speaker 1: And it's not I want to state that I'm not
Speaker 1: one of these progue like what do they call it?
Speaker 1: Free Karen Read people. I don't necessarily know if she
Speaker 1: was involved or not, but all I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: they whatever they were presenting surely was not convincing me
Speaker 1: for sure. And also that, like Maria was saying, the
Speaker 1: investigation was just so botched that there's no way that
Speaker 1: they were going to be able to convict her on
Speaker 1: what they had because of all the mistakes they made
Speaker 1: initially in the investigation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they just kind of had this
Speaker 2: witch hunt after her. And I had said when we
Speaker 2: were on Cheryl's podcast a couple months ago that this
Speaker 2: wasn't really going to give you justice to the O'Keefe
Speaker 2: family for what happened to John. So I think they
Speaker 2: were just so focused on going after her instead of
Speaker 2: actually trying to figure out what happened. And it's still
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. I mean, she's not guilty,
Speaker 2: but we still don't know what happened that day, and
Speaker 2: that's problematic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I'm curious how it's gonna go because if
Speaker 1: you're saying that she's not guilty, then in theory, you're
Speaker 1: saying that someone else did this because you have an
Speaker 1: open case now, right, or I mean, how's that work?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because because she was found not guilty,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily mean she didn't do it. It
Speaker 2: just means that the trial didn't prove that she did
Speaker 2: it beyond reasonable doubt. So I find that really interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, in theory, if she didn't do it, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people really do think she didn't do it.
Speaker 2: There is somebody that did, so like, is this going
Speaker 2: to just like for everyone.
Speaker 1: Might be like, you know that, you know that sign
Speaker 1: at that lawyer's office that's near our house that says
Speaker 1: just because you did it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's
Speaker 1: so sick, it's so slimy. But maybe I you know. So,
Speaker 1: we are going to have a special episode about this
Speaker 1: next week, and for those of you who aren't familiar
Speaker 1: with this case, or if you are familiar, you're gonna
Speaker 1: want to listen because we really went through this case,
Speaker 1: like I said, a couple of months ago, with a
Speaker 1: fine tooth comb, and I will give you my reasoning
Speaker 1: for why I think that she honestly like it. I
Speaker 1: don't really even think that she was involved in it
Speaker 1: after her part of dropping him off. So I will
Speaker 1: go through all of that, as far as what I
Speaker 1: think from a scientific forensic pathology perspective of his time
Speaker 1: and death and everything like that. So we'll go through that,
Speaker 1: and Maria will go through all of the details of
Speaker 1: the case, and obviously we'll fill you what's been going
Speaker 1: on in court as well. Over the past couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I want there was some weirdness today where
Speaker 2: after twenty hours of deliberation, the jury had knocked on
Speaker 2: the door and said they had a verdict, and then
Speaker 2: a couple minutes later said they didn't, which everybody found
Speaker 2: incredibly unusual. And then they have put that original verdict
Speaker 2: slip in a sealed envelope, So I guess we're just
Speaker 2: hoping they read the correct one when it came time.
Speaker 2: But not even twenty minutes later they called everybody back
Speaker 2: and then they had the real verdict that.
Speaker 1: It was such a weird filming too. They just had
Speaker 1: this ceiling fan showing on the use for such a
Speaker 1: long time. It was just really bizarre. And that judge
Speaker 1: is just like, she's so salty. She was so salty.
Speaker 1: What did she say at the end, Like, oh, so
Speaker 1: she's just going to get a conviction of what any
Speaker 1: other person would get as a first time offense.
Speaker 2: No, so what's important in this case is we talked
Speaker 2: about like even though she it doesn't really seem like
Speaker 2: she had murdered John o'keefer accidentally hit him with the car.
Speaker 2: She was found guilty of operating under the influence, which
Speaker 2: was important because she was apparently drunk driving and somebody
Speaker 2: should be held responsible for that. So then when they
Speaker 2: got to the sentencing phase and the judge was all salty,
Speaker 2: and she's like, so are we gonna do it next
Speaker 2: week or what? Then the prosecution had said they recommended
Speaker 2: one year of probation because apparently that's the standard for
Speaker 2: the offense. And that's when she was like, Okay, so
Speaker 2: she's just getting what everybody else gets on their first
Speaker 2: time offense.
Speaker 1: What should she get a special a special sentence just
Speaker 1: because I mean, right, I mean yeah this, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: listen that late. Like I said in the beginning, I
Speaker 1: think that there's lots of people that just don't like
Speaker 1: Karen Reid. They think that she's smugged, they think that
Speaker 1: she's a terrible girlfriend. She was the text messages were
Speaker 1: terrible to the guy. I mean, right, I understand she's
Speaker 1: not a lovable character, but I'm sorry, you just cannot
Speaker 1: avoid this shit show that went on when this guy
Speaker 1: died and the investigation that followed up with it. Like,
Speaker 1: she could be pissed off all she wants, but she
Speaker 1: really should be pissed off at those people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this whole this case is sensationalized for
Speaker 2: a reason. I mean you have watched investigation. It involves
Speaker 2: the police department, You have all these cover ups going on.
Speaker 2: Then you have a mistrial. Now this is her second trial.
Speaker 2: It's like wasting all these people time in court, and
Speaker 2: then this judge is salty the whole time. And then
Speaker 2: there's the weirdness with the jury having the verdict and
Speaker 2: then not having the verdict.
Speaker 1: We need to get a jury man on here. I know,
Speaker 1: a GIRA that would be awesome. We actually need to
Speaker 1: get Karen Reid on here. But that we'll get in
Speaker 1: a line of six hundred people that are waiting to
Speaker 1: talk to her. But yeah, they would be really cool
Speaker 1: if we could talk to someone that was that was
Speaker 1: intro or it really involved in the case, because I
Speaker 1: would like to know what their opinions were. But obviously
Speaker 1: they all came to a decision that this is like
Speaker 1: even if she did hit him with the car, would
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it ever was intentional or were
Speaker 1: they trying to play it off like she did it
Speaker 1: on purpose.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why there was the option for second degree murder,
Speaker 2: which would have meant she did it intentionally or manslaughter,
Speaker 2: which is she did it accidentally because she was drunk,
Speaker 2: And clearly they didn't think there was enough evidence to
Speaker 2: prove that she did any of those, so at least
Speaker 2: she is.
Speaker 1: Why did they ever even think that they were going
Speaker 1: to get her on on doing it intentionally like it
Speaker 1: because she was fighting with him.
Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is is I'd argue that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're trying to say she did it intentionally because she
Speaker 2: left him all those aggravating and angry like voicemails and
Speaker 2: all those text messages.
Speaker 1: Listen, like I I don't fight with my husband like
Speaker 1: that even a little bit, but like my ex, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like we used to get into it, Like
Speaker 1: don't you think like that? I and trust me like
Speaker 1: one of my really good friends, she's she used to
Speaker 1: get in the craziest fights with with her boyfriend too,
Speaker 1: like outrageous. So that happens in relationships, Like it's not good.
Speaker 1: But people are in relationships like that and they don't
Speaker 1: ever turn violent and people don't kill each other.
Speaker 2: Well, don't you think if she did kill him intentionally
Speaker 2: and was aware of it instead of leaving him all
Speaker 2: those voicemails calling him a perver and like a motherfucker
Speaker 2: and whatever that. Don't you think she'd be like, hey, sweetie,
Speaker 2: just wondering where you're at, not like you, asshole, where
Speaker 2: are you? That's what you do when you're legitimately mad
Speaker 2: and somebody's not answer in the phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she could have just I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: in theory she could have did that to cover up
Speaker 1: the murder. But like, I just never got that vibe ever, ever, ever,
Speaker 1: And when I really went through his autopsy and the
Speaker 1: autopsy findings, I just was like, this is such a
Speaker 1: stretch which they're trying to prove it and it proves
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing to me. And I was happy to see
Speaker 1: that one of the medical examiners that testified finally said
Speaker 1: what I was talking about, because I hadn't even really
Speaker 1: heard anybody bring it up. And I think that it
Speaker 1: was really important when it has to do with the
Speaker 1: amount of time that that guy could have possibly been
Speaker 1: laying there, and the timing was everything with that, because
Speaker 1: there was proof of where she was because of her
Speaker 1: GPS and their phone records and things like that. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited to talk to you about this next week
Speaker 1: so we could really get into it and everybody could hear,
Speaker 1: you know, the full details of the case. So the
Speaker 1: whole episode will be dedicated to this case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I am just so interested that it came
Speaker 2: back as not guilty. I for sure thought it was
Speaker 2: gonna be another hung jury. And then like, where do
Speaker 2: you go from there? Are they seriously gonna waste money
Speaker 2: and try her third time? I mean, having her own trial,
Speaker 2: even one time for second degree murder was so far
Speaker 2: fetched and ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I mean. And the sad part of
Speaker 1: this whole case though, is that again it's it's the
Speaker 1: same exact thing with Lacy Peterson and all these people.
Speaker 1: It's like all of the attention is getting put on
Speaker 1: the wrong place, which is that this victim is he's
Speaker 1: still dead. He has he has a family, he has
Speaker 1: doesn't he have the little that he was.
Speaker 2: The caretaker for his siblings children that died.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, and these poor kids lost their
Speaker 1: parents and now they lost their uncle, their uncle, and
Speaker 1: I feel bad for his family, and now they go
Speaker 1: home and what did they do. I mean, listen when
Speaker 1: they're watching this whole trial, I'm sure they hated her.
Speaker 1: Because usually when your family member has a girlfriend or
Speaker 1: a boyfriend or a husband or wife, whatever. That's not
Speaker 1: treating your family member well. You usually don't like them anyway.
Speaker 1: So they might not even have liked her from the
Speaker 1: beginning when he was alive, if they knew anything about
Speaker 1: their tumultuous relationship. But they have to feel a certain
Speaker 1: kind of way when they hear all of all of
Speaker 1: the evidence that comes out showing how shady shit went
Speaker 1: down that day. I mean, they can't even if they
Speaker 1: think she was involved in stuff. That has to make
Speaker 1: them lose some faith in the system. And some of
Speaker 1: these people involved with this were his friends.
Speaker 2: Well, what now are they going to investigate the other
Speaker 2: people involved with this now?
Speaker 1: I don't I thought that they already cleared that, didn't
Speaker 1: they They brought that up at some point and then
Speaker 1: they were like, no, there was they evolved them. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I.
Speaker 2: Really doubt this case dies here. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: gonna It's certainly going to be talked about for the
Speaker 2: next couple of months, and I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 2: they keep looking further into it. I mean, the family
Speaker 2: deserves to have some answers. They can't just be left
Speaker 2: in the darkest of what happened.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not this is the thing, like, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure they're ever really going to get answers. You know,
Speaker 1: all you have right now, especially from his body, are photographs.
Speaker 1: And you heard a couple of medical examiners had testified
Speaker 1: and said completely different things about what they think that
Speaker 1: they're looking at. There was one that was saying that
Speaker 1: those marks on his arm were scratches, and other one
Speaker 1: that saying that they're deep what could appear to be
Speaker 1: claw marks. It's such a and that's two totally different
Speaker 1: wounds that could be caused by two totally different things.
Speaker 1: And then you had the crash test dummy doing a
Speaker 1: certain thing, and this and that, and people saying yes,
Speaker 1: lights could have caused it, No, lights didn't cause it,
Speaker 1: a dog caused it, all this stuff. So you're never
Speaker 1: really going to be able to get an answer unless
Speaker 1: somebody confesses or more evidence comes forward, like a ring,
Speaker 1: doorbell camera or something that proves more what happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, next week we'll be back with you a
Speaker 2: full length episode about what went down, all the details
Speaker 2: of this case. We'll go over the autopsy, your theories,
Speaker 2: what went down, the first trial, now this trial and
Speaker 2: her conviction, and especially because we'll have a couple of
Speaker 2: days to sit with some information, we could go over
Speaker 2: everything in more detail with you guys.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow for our normal
Speaker 1: news episode, and then stay tuned next week for the
Speaker 1: Karen Reid episode. Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.
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