WEBVTT - BREAKING NEWS 🚨 - Karen Read Verdict

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everyone, Welcome. The Mother knows that we have some

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<v Speaker 1>breaking news for you today.

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<v Speaker 2>We finally have a verdict and Karen Read's second trial,

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<v Speaker 2>and she is not guilty on second degree murder manslaughter

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<v Speaker 2>while upbraiding a vehicle under the influence and leaving the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So what do you think about this? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>definitely not surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised either, because they didn't have any good

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that proved that she did it. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>whole entire investigation was botched, and I think there was

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<v Speaker 2>definitely enough reasonable doubt that they couldn't confidently convict her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. I mean, we really looked into this

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<v Speaker 1>case a couple of months ago, and I never thought

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<v Speaker 1>that they were going to be able to convict her.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not I want to state that I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>one of these progue like what do they call it?

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<v Speaker 1>Free Karen Read people. I don't necessarily know if she

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<v Speaker 1>was involved or not, but all I'm saying is that

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<v Speaker 1>they whatever they were presenting surely was not convincing me

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. And also that, like Maria was saying, the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation was just so botched that there's no way that

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to be able to convict her on

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<v Speaker 1>what they had because of all the mistakes they made

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<v Speaker 1>initially in the investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think they just kind of had this

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<v Speaker 2>witch hunt after her. And I had said when we

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<v Speaker 2>were on Cheryl's podcast a couple months ago that this

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really going to give you justice to the O'Keefe

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<v Speaker 2>family for what happened to John. So I think they

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<v Speaker 2>were just so focused on going after her instead of

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<v Speaker 2>actually trying to figure out what happened. And it's still

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<v Speaker 2>at the end of the day. I mean, she's not guilty,

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<v Speaker 2>but we still don't know what happened that day, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Now I'm curious how it's gonna go because if

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<v Speaker 1>you're saying that she's not guilty, then in theory, you're

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<v Speaker 1>saying that someone else did this because you have an

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<v Speaker 1>open case now, right, or I mean, how's that work?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting because because she was found not guilty,

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<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't necessarily mean she didn't do it. It

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<v Speaker 2>just means that the trial didn't prove that she did

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<v Speaker 2>it beyond reasonable doubt. So I find that really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, in theory, if she didn't do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people really do think she didn't do it.

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<v Speaker 2>There is somebody that did, so like, is this going

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<v Speaker 2>to just like for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be like, you know that, you know that sign

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<v Speaker 1>at that lawyer's office that's near our house that says

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<v Speaker 1>just because you did it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so sick, it's so slimy. But maybe I you know. So,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to have a special episode about this

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<v Speaker 1>next week, and for those of you who aren't familiar

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<v Speaker 1>with this case, or if you are familiar, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>want to listen because we really went through this case,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, a couple of months ago, with a

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<v Speaker 1>fine tooth comb, and I will give you my reasoning

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<v Speaker 1>for why I think that she honestly like it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really even think that she was involved in it

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<v Speaker 1>after her part of dropping him off. So I will

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<v Speaker 1>go through all of that, as far as what I

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<v Speaker 1>think from a scientific forensic pathology perspective of his time

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<v Speaker 1>and death and everything like that. So we'll go through that,

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<v Speaker 1>and Maria will go through all of the details of

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<v Speaker 1>the case, and obviously we'll fill you what's been going

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<v Speaker 1>on in court as well. Over the past couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because I want there was some weirdness today where

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<v Speaker 2>after twenty hours of deliberation, the jury had knocked on

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<v Speaker 2>the door and said they had a verdict, and then

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<v Speaker 2>a couple minutes later said they didn't, which everybody found

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly unusual. And then they have put that original verdict

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<v Speaker 2>slip in a sealed envelope, So I guess we're just

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<v Speaker 2>hoping they read the correct one when it came time.

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<v Speaker 2>But not even twenty minutes later they called everybody back

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<v Speaker 2>and then they had the real verdict that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a weird filming too. They just had

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<v Speaker 1>this ceiling fan showing on the use for such a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. It was just really bizarre. And that judge

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<v Speaker 1>is just like, she's so salty. She was so salty.

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<v Speaker 1>What did she say at the end, Like, oh, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's just going to get a conviction of what any

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<v Speaker 1>other person would get as a first time offense.

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<v Speaker 2>No, so what's important in this case is we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about like even though she it doesn't really seem like

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<v Speaker 2>she had murdered John o'keefer accidentally hit him with the car.

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<v Speaker 2>She was found guilty of operating under the influence, which

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<v Speaker 2>was important because she was apparently drunk driving and somebody

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<v Speaker 2>should be held responsible for that. So then when they

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<v Speaker 2>got to the sentencing phase and the judge was all salty,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's like, so are we gonna do it next

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<v Speaker 2>week or what? Then the prosecution had said they recommended

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<v Speaker 2>one year of probation because apparently that's the standard for

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<v Speaker 2>the offense. And that's when she was like, Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>she's just getting what everybody else gets on their first

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<v Speaker 2>time offense.

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<v Speaker 1>What should she get a special a special sentence just

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean, right, I mean yeah this, I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 1>listen that late. Like I said in the beginning, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that there's lots of people that just don't like

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Reid. They think that she's smugged, they think that

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<v Speaker 1>she's a terrible girlfriend. She was the text messages were

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<v Speaker 1>terrible to the guy. I mean, right, I understand she's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lovable character, but I'm sorry, you just cannot

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<v Speaker 1>avoid this shit show that went on when this guy

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<v Speaker 1>died and the investigation that followed up with it. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>she could be pissed off all she wants, but she

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<v Speaker 1>really should be pissed off at those people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean this whole this case is sensationalized for

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<v Speaker 2>a reason. I mean you have watched investigation. It involves

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<v Speaker 2>the police department, You have all these cover ups going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you have a mistrial. Now this is her second trial.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like wasting all these people time in court, and

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<v Speaker 2>then this judge is salty the whole time. And then

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<v Speaker 2>there's the weirdness with the jury having the verdict and

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<v Speaker 2>then not having the verdict.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to get a jury man on here. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>a GIRA that would be awesome. We actually need to

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<v Speaker 1>get Karen Reid on here. But that we'll get in

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<v Speaker 1>a line of six hundred people that are waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to her. But yeah, they would be really cool

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<v Speaker 1>if we could talk to someone that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>intro or it really involved in the case, because I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to know what their opinions were. But obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they all came to a decision that this is like

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<v Speaker 1>even if she did hit him with the car, would

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem like it ever was intentional or were

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<v Speaker 1>they trying to play it off like she did it

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's why there was the option for second degree murder,

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<v Speaker 2>which would have meant she did it intentionally or manslaughter,

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<v Speaker 2>which is she did it accidentally because she was drunk,

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<v Speaker 2>And clearly they didn't think there was enough evidence to

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<v Speaker 2>prove that she did any of those, so at least

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<v Speaker 2>she is.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did they ever even think that they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to get her on on doing it intentionally like it

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<v Speaker 1>because she was fighting with him.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the thing is is I'd argue that, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to say she did it intentionally because she

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<v Speaker 2>left him all those aggravating and angry like voicemails and

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<v Speaker 2>all those text messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Listen, like I I don't fight with my husband like

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<v Speaker 1>that even a little bit, but like my ex, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, like we used to get into it, Like

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<v Speaker 1>don't you think like that? I and trust me like

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<v Speaker 1>one of my really good friends, she's she used to

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<v Speaker 1>get in the craziest fights with with her boyfriend too,

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<v Speaker 1>like outrageous. So that happens in relationships, Like it's not good.

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<v Speaker 1>But people are in relationships like that and they don't

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<v Speaker 1>ever turn violent and people don't kill each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, don't you think if she did kill him intentionally

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<v Speaker 2>and was aware of it instead of leaving him all

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<v Speaker 2>those voicemails calling him a perver and like a motherfucker

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever that. Don't you think she'd be like, hey, sweetie,

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<v Speaker 2>just wondering where you're at, not like you, asshole, where

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<v Speaker 2>are you? That's what you do when you're legitimately mad

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<v Speaker 2>and somebody's not answer in the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she could have just I mean, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>in theory she could have did that to cover up

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<v Speaker 1>the murder. But like, I just never got that vibe ever, ever, ever,

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<v Speaker 1>And when I really went through his autopsy and the

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<v Speaker 1>autopsy findings, I just was like, this is such a

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<v Speaker 1>stretch which they're trying to prove it and it proves

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely nothing to me. And I was happy to see

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<v Speaker 1>that one of the medical examiners that testified finally said

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<v Speaker 1>what I was talking about, because I hadn't even really

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<v Speaker 1>heard anybody bring it up. And I think that it

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<v Speaker 1>was really important when it has to do with the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of time that that guy could have possibly been

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<v Speaker 1>laying there, and the timing was everything with that, because

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<v Speaker 1>there was proof of where she was because of her

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<v Speaker 1>GPS and their phone records and things like that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited to talk to you about this next week

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<v Speaker 1>so we could really get into it and everybody could hear,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the full details of the case. So the

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<v Speaker 1>whole episode will be dedicated to this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I am just so interested that it came

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<v Speaker 2>back as not guilty. I for sure thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be another hung jury. And then like, where do

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<v Speaker 2>you go from there? Are they seriously gonna waste money

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<v Speaker 2>and try her third time? I mean, having her own trial,

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<v Speaker 2>even one time for second degree murder was so far

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<v Speaker 2>fetched and ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just I mean. And the sad part of

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<v Speaker 1>this whole case though, is that again it's it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same exact thing with Lacy Peterson and all these people.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like all of the attention is getting put on

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<v Speaker 1>the wrong place, which is that this victim is he's

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<v Speaker 1>still dead. He has he has a family, he has

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't he have the little that he was.

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<v Speaker 2>The caretaker for his siblings children that died.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I mean, and these poor kids lost their

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<v Speaker 1>parents and now they lost their uncle, their uncle, and

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<v Speaker 1>I feel bad for his family, and now they go

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<v Speaker 1>home and what did they do. I mean, listen when

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<v Speaker 1>they're watching this whole trial, I'm sure they hated her.

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<v Speaker 1>Because usually when your family member has a girlfriend or

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<v Speaker 1>a boyfriend or a husband or wife, whatever. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>treating your family member well. You usually don't like them anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So they might not even have liked her from the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning when he was alive, if they knew anything about

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<v Speaker 1>their tumultuous relationship. But they have to feel a certain

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<v Speaker 1>kind of way when they hear all of all of

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<v Speaker 1>the evidence that comes out showing how shady shit went

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<v Speaker 1>down that day. I mean, they can't even if they

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<v Speaker 1>think she was involved in stuff. That has to make

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<v Speaker 1>them lose some faith in the system. And some of

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<v Speaker 1>these people involved with this were his friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what now are they going to investigate the other

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<v Speaker 2>people involved with this now?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I thought that they already cleared that, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>they They brought that up at some point and then

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<v Speaker 1>they were like, no, there was they evolved them. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like I.

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<v Speaker 2>Really doubt this case dies here. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna It's certainly going to be talked about for the

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<v Speaker 2>next couple of months, and I wouldn't be surprised if

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<v Speaker 2>they keep looking further into it. I mean, the family

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<v Speaker 2>deserves to have some answers. They can't just be left

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<v Speaker 2>in the darkest of what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I'm not this is the thing, like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure they're ever really going to get answers. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>all you have right now, especially from his body, are photographs.

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<v Speaker 1>And you heard a couple of medical examiners had testified

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<v Speaker 1>and said completely different things about what they think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking at. There was one that was saying that

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<v Speaker 1>those marks on his arm were scratches, and other one

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<v Speaker 1>that saying that they're deep what could appear to be

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<v Speaker 1>claw marks. It's such a and that's two totally different

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<v Speaker 1>wounds that could be caused by two totally different things.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you had the crash test dummy doing a

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<v Speaker 1>certain thing, and this and that, and people saying yes,

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<v Speaker 1>lights could have caused it, No, lights didn't cause it,

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<v Speaker 1>a dog caused it, all this stuff. So you're never

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<v Speaker 1>really going to be able to get an answer unless

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<v Speaker 1>somebody confesses or more evidence comes forward, like a ring,

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<v Speaker 1>doorbell camera or something that proves more what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, next week we'll be back with you a

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<v Speaker 2>full length episode about what went down, all the details

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<v Speaker 2>of this case. We'll go over the autopsy, your theories,

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<v Speaker 2>what went down, the first trial, now this trial and

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<v Speaker 2>her conviction, and especially because we'll have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>days to sit with some information, we could go over

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<v Speaker 2>everything in more detail with you guys.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow for our normal

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<v Speaker 1>news episode, and then stay tuned next week for the

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<v Speaker 1>Karen Reid episode. Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.

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