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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome. The Mother knows that we have some

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Speaker 1: breaking news for you today.

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Speaker 2: We finally have a verdict and Karen Read's second trial,

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Speaker 2: and she is not guilty on second degree murder manslaughter

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Speaker 2: while upbraiding a vehicle under the influence and leaving the scene.

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Speaker 1: All right, So what do you think about this? I'm

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Speaker 1: definitely not surprised.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised either, because they didn't have any good

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Speaker 2: evidence that proved that she did it. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: whole entire investigation was botched, and I think there was

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Speaker 2: definitely enough reasonable doubt that they couldn't confidently convict her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean, we really looked into this

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Speaker 1: case a couple of months ago, and I never thought

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Speaker 1: And it's not I want to state that I'm not

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Speaker 1: one of these progue like what do they call it?

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Speaker 1: Free Karen Read people. I don't necessarily know if she

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Speaker 1: was involved or not, but all I'm saying is that

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Speaker 1: they whatever they were presenting surely was not convincing me

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Speaker 1: for sure. And also that, like Maria was saying, the

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Speaker 1: investigation was just so botched that there's no way that

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Speaker 1: what they had because of all the mistakes they made

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Speaker 1: initially in the investigation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think they just kind of had this

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Speaker 2: were on Cheryl's podcast a couple months ago that this

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Speaker 2: wasn't really going to give you justice to the O'Keefe

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Speaker 2: family for what happened to John. So I think they

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Speaker 2: were just so focused on going after her instead of

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day. I mean, she's not guilty,

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Speaker 2: but we still don't know what happened that day, and

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Speaker 2: that's problematic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I'm curious how it's gonna go because if

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Speaker 1: saying that someone else did this because you have an

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting because because she was found not guilty,

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Speaker 2: but it doesn't necessarily mean she didn't do it. It

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Speaker 2: just means that the trial didn't prove that she did

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Speaker 2: it beyond reasonable doubt. So I find that really interesting.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, in theory, if she didn't do it, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of people really do think she didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: There is somebody that did, so like, is this going

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Speaker 1: Might be like, you know that, you know that sign

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Speaker 1: just because you did it doesn't mean you're guilty. It's

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Speaker 1: we are going to have a special episode about this

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Speaker 1: next week, and for those of you who aren't familiar

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Speaker 1: want to listen because we really went through this case,

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Speaker 1: like I said, a couple of months ago, with a

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Speaker 1: go through all of that, as far as what I

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Speaker 1: the case, and obviously we'll fill you what's been going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I want there was some weirdness today where

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Speaker 2: incredibly unusual. And then they have put that original verdict

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Speaker 2: But not even twenty minutes later they called everybody back

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Speaker 1: It was such a weird filming too. They just had

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Speaker 2: No, so what's important in this case is we talked

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Speaker 2: she's just getting what everybody else gets on their first

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Speaker 1: What should she get a special a special sentence just

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Speaker 1: because I mean, right, I mean yeah this, I mean, like,

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Speaker 1: Karen Reid. They think that she's smugged, they think that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this whole this case is sensationalized for

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Speaker 2: Then you have a mistrial. Now this is her second trial.

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Speaker 2: It's like wasting all these people time in court, and

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Speaker 2: then this judge is salty the whole time. And then

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Speaker 2: there's the weirdness with the jury having the verdict and

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Speaker 1: We need to get a jury man on here. I know,

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Speaker 1: a GIRA that would be awesome. We actually need to

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Speaker 1: if we could talk to someone that was that was

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Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it ever was intentional or were

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Speaker 2: Well, that's why there was the option for second degree murder,

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Speaker 1: Why did they ever even think that they were going

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is is I'd argue that, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Listen, like I I don't fight with my husband like

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Speaker 1: But people are in relationships like that and they don't

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Speaker 2: Well, don't you think if she did kill him intentionally

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she could have just I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: so we could really get into it and everybody could hear,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I am just so interested that it came

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I mean. And the sad part of

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Speaker 1: same exact thing with Lacy Peterson and all these people.

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Speaker 2: The caretaker for his siblings children that died.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, and these poor kids lost their

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Speaker 1: their tumultuous relationship. But they have to feel a certain

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Speaker 2: Well, what now are they going to investigate the other

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Speaker 2: people involved with this now?

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Speaker 1: I don't I thought that they already cleared that, didn't

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Speaker 2: Really doubt this case dies here. I mean, this is

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Speaker 2: what went down, the first trial, now this trial and

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, we'll see you tomorrow for our normal

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Speaker 1: Karen Reid episode. Thank you for listening to Mother nos Death.

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