1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: You and I are definitely going to have some issues 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: right in the in the old sense that we would 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: that we would disagree on it. At the same time, 4 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: I think we would agree on a lot of things. 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: And I want to and I want to talk about 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: the areas of agreement. And I think starting with a 7 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: recognition of what of what you said, and i'll sort 8 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: I think a lot of these labels right left, everything 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 1: that had meaning in the nineties the early aughts have 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: been obliterated. They don't They don't mean anything anymore. I 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: think Trump is a fascist. He doesn't believe in democracy. 12 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: In fact, the meat revised that I know that Trump 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: is a fascist. Trump is a fascist. Steven Miller is 14 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: a Nazi. Uh not, not every fascist is a Nazi, 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: but every Nazi is certainly a fascist. 16 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: Fact. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about January twenty twenty nine. 18 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't know who the candidate is, but I want 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: to talk about some things that I think have to 20 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: happen because it can't be a victory for party or personality. 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: It has to be a victory of meaning to do 22 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,479 Speaker 1: things to change the country so that this never ever 23 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: happens again. And I want to talk about see if 24 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: we can get to agreement on a bunch of things 25 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: that have to be done philosophically, and if we disagree 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: on something right, you know, for purposes today, we can 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: just say pass right, move on to the next one, 28 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: and you could throw out anything you want to say. 29 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: So I'm going to start right. So to me, the 30 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: destruction of whatever Trump builds, like excising a tumor a 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: deformity that's excisable, that that has to be done. The 32 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: second thing is that literally before the twenty one gun 33 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 1: salute is over, he has to sign she asked to 34 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: sign one executive order discharging firing whatever is necessary, firing 35 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: Cash Batal is the FBI director, ceiling immediately all of 36 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: his all of his records. The number three thing is 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: wherever that Katari airplane goes is going to be seized 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: by the United States Air Force by by two point 39 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: thirty pm on the day of the inauguration, and it's 40 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: going to be dumped in the Atlantic Ocean by sundown 41 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: on January twenty first. And then and then if I 42 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: was to sit with you in a White House meeting, right, 43 00:02:53,080 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 1: I would say, we have two things we have to do. 44 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: We have to dismantle the national security state. One of 45 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: the great great mistakes of the last quarter century, a 46 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: mistake on Bush's port that rivals the invasion of Iraq, 47 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: is the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. It 48 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: needs to be broken up. ICE needs to be abolished 49 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: and militarized. Federal police need to be completely, absolutely, and 50 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: utterly defant. And there will need to be a review 51 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: of the conduct of every ICE agent on every mission, 52 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: on every detail of where they went, where they did. 53 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: And there's going to be a lot of pensions that 54 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: are disappeared, and there's gonna be a lot of badges 55 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: like all of them, and a lot of weapons like 56 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: all of them that are taken that are that are 57 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: taken away and it and at the same time you 58 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: have a predatory class of of rapacious Uh. I don't 59 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: know what the word for it. It's not my conception 60 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 1: of capitalism, but vulture capitalism, predator capitalism. And I think 61 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: taking power from the places it's accumulated and dissipating it 62 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: and leveling the field is of the utmost important and 63 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: that starts with the giant tech companies, the agriculture companies 64 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: that control seed production, controls, tracting houses, controls, the pharmaceuticals 65 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: controls companies like like Palenteer, And to me, the framework 66 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: is not ideological. It's simply about these institutions have become duchies, 67 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: they have become principalities. They have become dangers to liberty, 68 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: to prosperity. They choke off the ability of ordinary people 69 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: to pursue happiness. And so the disinvestment of power right 70 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: from these institutions. And then a fundamental rewroad of the 71 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: American tax code. And this is this is where I've 72 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: evolved the most on this. I'm prepared for to call 73 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: for a ninety percent tax on every dollar you know 74 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,679 Speaker 1: north of you know, uh, you know, fifty million earned, 75 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: one hundred million earned, whatever whatever, make, but not going 76 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: to have in the United States somebody worth you know, 77 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: a trillion, a trillion dollars who receives billions of government 78 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: subsidies to be worth the trillion. And so anytime you 79 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: got a you got a tax code that's three thousand 80 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: pages long, with seventy five thousand pages of rules. The 81 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: person who gets fucked in that is the little little guy, right, 82 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: not the not the giant corporation. So all of that 83 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: needs needs to be to be fixed and reformed. How 84 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: does that? How does that sound to you? 85 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? So your you know that your list sounds similar 86 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: to a list that I would put together. I guess 87 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 2: the idea of clearing out and the physical dismantling of 88 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: things that were built by Trump, I think is for 89 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: me that would be more of a cathartic exercise than 90 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 2: I think than a necessary exercise. I mean, I think 91 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: the Katari plane is a is probably a danger. You know, 92 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: at least there's at least some concerns with that. But 93 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: you know, for me, even the idea of putting up 94 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: guardrails to protect against this happening again is I think 95 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: that the thing that God is here is not the 96 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: lack of guardrails per se. It's the lack of a 97 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: economy and a government that functions for the people. At 98 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: this point and when you have and you know, I 99 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: look a lot into the economic straits of people, and 100 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm from a small town in East Tennessee where people have, 101 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: you know, been struggling in Appalachia's entire region, people have 102 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,360 Speaker 2: been struggling for a long time. And you've got eighty 103 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 2: percent of America that is living one type of way 104 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: in twenty percent of America that's living another type of way. 105 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: And that has been going on for quite some time. 106 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: And we've seen the the slow slide into economic precarity 107 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: getting more and more dangerous in the way it represents 108 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: itself being the electorate, and I think, you know, people 109 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 2: have been looking for basically since Reagan, for somebody to 110 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: transition this country, take us in a different direction. And 111 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: because I think a lot of these problems started happening 112 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 2: in the seventies, with the offshoring, with the de industrialization, 113 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 2: with the way that we started into I guess neoliberalism, 114 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: and how that the over financialization, the extractive models that 115 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: we've come into. And then I think that we kept 116 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: looking as voters for you know, Ross Perot came up boom. 117 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: You know, then you see people like Howard Dean or 118 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: John Edwards or Bernie Sanders or Barack Obama. He ran 119 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 2: on this idea of transformation twice. You know, I would 120 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 2: say that it's very much lucy in the football for 121 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: the voters, right. And that's the problem is that every 122 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: time people think they're getting something that is going to 123 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: be transformative, every time they think they're getting back to 124 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 2: a government that's working to restore their ability to make 125 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 2: a living, to restore their ability to have pride in 126 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: their country, and to have a country that can function again, 127 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 2: build things again, whether it's infrastructure and high speed rail 128 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: or energy grid of the future, and then it's pulled 129 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 2: out from under them. I think then that hope turns 130 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 2: to resentment, that hope turns to more extremism. And so 131 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: you got people that said, fuck it, let's go to Trump, 132 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 2: and they did that twice. Now they said, okay, this 133 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: is so much. They went to Biden, and Biden passed 134 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: all these huge bills, right. And I wrote a thing 135 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: the other day called We're more interested in the receipts 136 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: than the results, And everybody crowed about how big these 137 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 2: bills were. Trillion here, a trillionaire, a trillionaire. We're just 138 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: making it rain everywhere, except it doesn't produce a damn 139 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: thing like deer in the you know, dear, you look 140 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: at the New Deal or the Space Race or any 141 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 2: of these things. We got excited about building, you know, 142 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 2: tens of thousands of miles of high voltage electric lines. 143 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 2: When we built the Interstate Highway system. Nobody was like, oh, 144 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: we spent one hundred billion dollars. No, we built forty 145 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 2: one thousand miles of highway. That was what was exciting. 146 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: We built tunnels, we built bridges. You know, the idea 147 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: of actually producing results is something that's dissipated. Now we're 148 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 2: just talking about the bill. How big the bill was, 149 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: you know, it was one hundred trillion or a hundred 150 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: billion or two trillion or whatever. 151 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 1: Why Why do you think? Why? What's your insight to 152 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: why that is that there's a group of people sitting 153 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: in a room in washing tent that think it's important 154 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: and even more importantly, think people will be excited by 155 00:10:58,920 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: how big. 156 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: Something because I think that they still believe that the 157 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: market is functional and they believe that if they pump 158 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: enough money into the market that it will work. And 159 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 2: you can see this. I think the easiest way to 160 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: see the dysfunction of the market is in healthcare. Right now. 161 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: We spend about five point four trillion dollars a year 162 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: on healthcare. You know, we spend more than anybody else 163 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 2: on the planet. And we pump tons of money into 164 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: the healthcare machine and outcomes extremely rich people and sicker 165 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: people than the rest of the country or the rest 166 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: of the world. The crazy thing is is that it's 167 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: fundamentally broken. Just government spending on healthcare is like two 168 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: point five trillion dollars a year. If we were on 169 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: par with the per capita expense of say Italy, we'd 170 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 2: have seven hundred billion dollars left over after covering the 171 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 2: whole country, you know, just on what we spend as 172 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: a government. Not then that would say, okay, are all 173 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 2: the money that the companies are paying for healthcare? It's gone. 174 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: Now that bill is gone. All the out of pocket expendit, 175 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 2: there's gone. And so the fact is is that Washington 176 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: still believes that the invisible hand of the market will 177 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: fix these things for us if we just pump enough 178 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 2: cash into the system. But the problem is the you know, 179 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: is the financialization. People make more money with stock buybacks, 180 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: they make more money in crypto, They make more money 181 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: in bullshit than they do actually delivering results anymore. So, 182 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: you know, I think that's one of the things that 183 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: is such a hard concept for people to accept in 184 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 2: leadership business in all these places. 185 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning. I invite you 186 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: to join this community, where I promise to be honest, 187 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 3: blunt and direct about what is happening in this country. 188 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 3: America is in crisis. 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