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Speaker 1: number five hundred overall. Paul, you got a you got

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Speaker 1: Make no mistake, the Browns are following him now. Quote

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Speaker 1: end quote from a long time media member of follows

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Speaker 1: the Browns in a daily basis. And I just wonder,

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at Baker Mayfield and over the

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Speaker 1: last ten games he has one interception and nineteen touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: It took a while for it to click, and maybe

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Speaker 1: he had to mature in his own way, a different

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Speaker 1: way than a Kyler Murray. But once again, Dave, I

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Speaker 1: put it to you, I just I see that could

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Speaker 1: be a possible path that Kyler Murray would follow. I

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Speaker 1: could see that sort of progress coming to Fruition next season.

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Speaker 1: If you if you told me there was that similarity,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you guys, I think Kyler Murray's more

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Speaker 1: talented than Baker Mayfield. You know, I wasn't sure that

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Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield would be anywhere near the NFL player that

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Speaker 1: he is right now. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is that there is a there is an it's

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Speaker 1: factor with Baker, and I agree, I think it takes

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Speaker 1: time for his teammates to figure him out. But I

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Speaker 1: think kind of like you saw at Oklahoma. Once they

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Speaker 1: do figure him out, they'll do anything for him. They'll

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Speaker 1: run through a wall for him. He does have It's

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Speaker 1: it's a unique leadership, but he does have that leadership quality,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's something Kyler, as Wolf kind of

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Speaker 1: talked about. He's still growing. There's the intangible factor that

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Speaker 1: I think Kyler is still cultivating. But from a pure

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Speaker 1: talent standpoint, I put Kyler up against any of those guys,

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Speaker 1: maybe other than Mahomes, I think the talent is there,

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Speaker 1: it's preparations. Are you going to run the offense less streetball,

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Speaker 1: less relying on just your athletic ability and your talent,

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Speaker 1: more on reading defense and the game plan. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of factors there. But

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Speaker 1: if you're talking strictly ability, yeah, Kyler should be taking

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Speaker 1: that next step next year. And that's what I'm referring to,

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Speaker 1: is that evolution everything other than just the skill set,

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Speaker 1: everything else that's involved in being an NFL franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 1: the face of the franchise, the CEO is Patrick Peterson

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Speaker 1: called at halfway through his rookie year, it's embracing all

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Speaker 1: that and being that leader of the rest of the

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Speaker 1: team in the offense and the guy everyone rallies around,

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Speaker 1: and so I just found it interesting that in year

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Speaker 1: three it seemed to really hit for a couple other

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Speaker 1: guys and if maybe that has an application to Kyler especially,

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, no doubt, to see Baker against Patrick

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Speaker 1: Mahomes Wolf. That was your sort of game when they

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Speaker 1: hooked up in college. There was seventeen hundred total yards

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Speaker 1: in that game. The last time that He's got to

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Speaker 1: grow though with the intangibles off the field, we continue

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Speaker 1: to roll on the Big Red Rage presented by santan

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Speaker 1: Ford and Gilbert with our special guest Dave Pash, Voice

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Speaker 1: of the Cardinals off just watching that play clock, Miltdown

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Speaker 1: takes the snap, fakes the handoff, Golf looking to pass

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Speaker 1: Rose left side, Woods wide open, fakes the catch of

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Speaker 1: the five, stroll to the mp zode touchdown la. The

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Speaker 1: Rams have taken a sixteen point lead with four forty

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Speaker 1: six to go, so he had at least to get

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Speaker 1: close to the fifty for a first down. Here's the

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Speaker 1: snap blits coming against Wilson. He's hit in the backfield,

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Speaker 1: he is sacked, and Matt is the ballgame. Morgan Fox

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Speaker 1: gets the Sagun, Russell Wilson and the LA Rams are

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Speaker 1: on their way to the divisional round of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: And that's the first time the Seahawks have lost in

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Speaker 1: eleven straight home playoff games. How about that knocked out

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Speaker 1: by the Rams And that was Ryan Racky Westwood one

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Speaker 1: on the call right there. So the Rams advance their

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Speaker 1: top ranked defense going to take on the highest scoring

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Speaker 1: offense in the NFL and the Green Bay Packers this weekend.

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Speaker 1: It is the Big Red Race presented by Satan Board

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Speaker 1: In Gilbert. We are Satan Ford, Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley,

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Speaker 1: and the voice of the Cardinals day Passion wolf What

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Speaker 1: would you make of that game? How about how about

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Speaker 1: my guy Jared Goff throwing for one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: five yards and yet getting the playoff win on the

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Speaker 1: road with a busted thumb. Yeah, it's just amazing, Paul,

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Speaker 1: it really was to see that right here. The Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles Rams is it's a football team that basically it

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Speaker 1: proves a point that I've been talking about for a

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Speaker 1: long time, Paulie, and that is, you give me a

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Speaker 1: defense and a punter and I'll be in every game

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Speaker 1: and no offense against Jared goff and that offense whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: I love what they do. They line up and they

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Speaker 1: run the ball. They run one play. It's called the

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Speaker 1: tackle zone. And I'm being a little facetious here. I'm

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Speaker 1: using hyperbole to make a point. They run one play

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Speaker 1: in five plays that come off that thing. You know

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Speaker 1: it's coming. They know what's coming. Everybody knows it's coming,

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Speaker 1: but they don't care. They line up and they're just

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Speaker 1: better than you are. They dare you to be better

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Speaker 1: than they are. They run the ball and they play defense.

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Speaker 1: That's what the Rams do, and that's a formula that

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Speaker 1: can work, and they lead the NFL and virtually every

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Speaker 1: defensive category that matters. Aaron Donald said he's gonna play.

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Speaker 1: It's really the first injury, significant injury of his seven

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Speaker 1: year career. Think about that. Jared goffin outs today, will start.

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Speaker 1: John Woolford will be inactive, so Blake Bortles will be

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Speaker 1: the backup there. But Dave, your thoughts on the Rams

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Speaker 1: and what do you make of them going against the

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Speaker 1: Green Bay team, especially when you consider the two head

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Speaker 1: coaches know each other so well. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: such a different animal this week for the Rams. Last

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Speaker 1: week they were facing a team that wasn't very good defensively,

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Speaker 1: and as the season went on, the offensive Wartz I

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Speaker 1: thought really showed for Seattle green Bay's offense. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers probably the MVP. So if you're telling me

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald is one hundred percent and can wreck that

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Speaker 1: game on that side of the ball, and that Jared

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Speaker 1: Goff is healthy enough to make more plays throwing the

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Speaker 1: ball than yeah, I think they have a chance. But

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Speaker 1: boy a Green Bay is playing great football right now.

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Speaker 1: I just I'd be surprised if the Packers lost that game.

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Speaker 1: But if Donald's healthy and Goffe's healthy, maybe the Rams

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Speaker 1: can pull it out. I don't see it, but maybe

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Speaker 1: you know. Sean McVay said something this week, guy, So

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Speaker 1: we talked about I think all season long with the Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Serious is quote talking about watching the Packers playball and

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers quote, I think having an identity is a

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Speaker 1: really important thing to establishing something offensively. You can really

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Speaker 1: see that identity come to life when you flip on

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Speaker 1: the Packers tape, and that's a real credit to Matt,

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Speaker 1: their coaches, and their players. Did we ever get an

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Speaker 1: answer to that question? Ron Wolfley on the Cardinals in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, what is their identity? I don't think we

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Speaker 1: ever answered that, Polly. I think that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things that culture will provide you. You build that culture

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Speaker 1: and you find an identity, you find a standard of play.

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Speaker 1: This is something I was talking about, as you well know, Polly,

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Speaker 1: as you know David, We were talking about it even

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Speaker 1: at the end of September. They had to find a

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Speaker 1: standard of play in stopped playing up and down to

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Speaker 1: their competition. We saw that early on as a team personality,

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Speaker 1: a team trait, and they've got to fix that, frankly

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Speaker 1: going into this offseason, and it's not easy to do

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Speaker 1: until you get back out on the field for real.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what Jalen Ramsey against DeVante Adams that

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Speaker 1: is must see TV. In fact, that it'll be on

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Speaker 1: Fox on Saturday. And then you got Tampa New Orleans

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Speaker 1: Dave that will not be on the History Channel according

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Speaker 1: to Frank Caliando, that'll be on Fox. That'll be a

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Speaker 1: four forty PM on Sunday. And then you have Breeze

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Speaker 1: and you have Brady, and then you have Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: and Todd Bowls against Sean Payton. What stands out to you.

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Speaker 1: It seems like that that Tampa Bay defense is ready

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Speaker 1: for this test. Based on what I saw last week.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know what you're gonna get from Brady,

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Speaker 1: you know what you're gonna get from Ba. This seems

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Speaker 1: like it's going to be a battle of the base

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Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship game. I just I know New

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Speaker 1: Orleans is home, but that home field advantage is not

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Speaker 1: the same when that place is not full. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we saw it, well, we've seen in regular season before.

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Speaker 1: I mean, have you guys ever experienced a greater home

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Speaker 1: field advantage than that playoff game in New Orleans back

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Speaker 1: in O nine in the I guess there's two ten technically,

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Speaker 1: but the one hind season and that's not really there.

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Speaker 1: So I always Tampa Bay on Sunday in this game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be a great game to watch, There's no

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Speaker 1: doubt about it. I do like the fact that the

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Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints are a great rush defense there. To me, guys,

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Speaker 1: I look at it, and if you're top five in

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Speaker 1: any type of category, you're elite in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: In the New Orleans Saints, I think our elite when

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Speaker 1: it comes to stopping the run top four and yards

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Speaker 1: per game, top four and yards per playing at this

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Speaker 1: point with a large sample size that we've actually had

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Speaker 1: watching the Saints play, they are a physical, physical bunch.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be interesting because you know

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Speaker 1: how much Tom Brady and Bruce Arians in particular, they

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Speaker 1: love to use play action. The game is going to

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Speaker 1: be can you actually get to Tom Brady during those

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Speaker 1: early rundown situations first and ten, second and one to six?

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Speaker 1: Will they go after Will Todd Bowles roll the dice

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Speaker 1: and go after Tom Brady? I mean, excuse me, I'm

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Speaker 1: the Saints. Well, the Saints go after Tom Brady in

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Speaker 1: that situation because they can shut down the run. And

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Speaker 1: you know that's what Tampa loves to use, that play

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Speaker 1: action pass. I can shut down the run and then

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Speaker 1: go after Brady. Well, think about it. Forty three year

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Speaker 1: old Tom Brady, forty two year old Drew Brees by

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Speaker 1: the time they kick that one off. So that's the

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Speaker 1: oldest combined ah for starting quarterbacks in NFL history in

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Speaker 1: a single game. You go to the AFC and it's

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Speaker 1: all young guys. We'll talk about that next And by

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Speaker 1: the way, to come full circle here talking about the

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Speaker 1: NFC West, how about some of the departures as Brad

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Speaker 1: Rams director of scouting Robert Salis seems like he's fast

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Speaker 1: tracked for a head coaching job, and then the Rams

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator Brain and Staley. He might be one and

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Speaker 1: done in LA. He might be a head coach in

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Speaker 1: the waiting, although Seahawks GM John Schneider extends his deal

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Speaker 1: through the two twenty seven drafts. So where is Eric enemy?

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Speaker 1: Where is Eric b enemy? Van? Yeah, let me tell

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Speaker 1: you that might be why Deshaun Watson ends up getting

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Speaker 1: out of Houston. We'll see. We'll continue with a big

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Speaker 1: red rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert high snap

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Speaker 1: the Fike recovered the one. He holds him the end

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Speaker 1: Want a way to begin, throw up the middle to

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Speaker 1: go for the ten runs to the part side line,

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Speaker 1: the five bricks on the tumble the two runs into

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Speaker 1: the end tone touchdowns. Top the hunt huns with the

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Speaker 1: and carries the thup touchdown. Leave here's a handoff the

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Speaker 1: goers on the street with a shot a hundred hits

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Speaker 1: and the Pley one problems have brought up twenty seven

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Speaker 1: to nothing with under two to play in the first quarter.

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Speaker 1: Shucking tad, So we're f shocking it is Kevin Arlan

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Speaker 1: get to work out on Westwood one. Four touchdowns in

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Speaker 1: the first quarter by the Browns in that epic win

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Speaker 1: against the Steelers, their first playoff win in four ever,

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Speaker 1: as they come out and they get the big think

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Speaker 1: about this guy's the Browns haven't won two playoff games

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Speaker 1: in a season since nineteen fifty. Welcome back into the

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Speaker 1: Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We

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Speaker 1: are santan Ford, Paul kelbc, Ron Wolfley and Dave Pash

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Speaker 1: with us and Dave. You ever had one of those

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Speaker 1: games where you're just worn out and you haven't even

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Speaker 1: at halftime yet. Although I don't think Kevin Harland ever

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Speaker 1: gets worn out. That dude. I love Kevin. He's so good,

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Speaker 1: so good at everything he does, and he always maintains

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Speaker 1: the highest level of energy. I mean, listen to a

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Speaker 1: descriptive you than those calls. Man. I could listen to

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Speaker 1: keV all day. You know what, Guys, Honestly, though, when

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Speaker 1: you think of the Steelers Browns game, that was the

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Speaker 1: worst start to a football game I've ever seen a

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Speaker 1: team half. I'm talking about the Steelers, obviously, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about the snap over the head for a touchdown.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about that first quarter, that first quarter they played.

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Speaker 1: It was the worst start to a football game I

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Speaker 1: have ever seen, college or professional. All Right, So as

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Speaker 1: Cleveland took a twenty eight point lean that wolf and

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Speaker 1: they got to win forty eight thirty seven. How much

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Speaker 1: of it was just a bad Steelers outfit that really

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Speaker 1: struggled down the stretch. Or have the Browns truly hit

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Speaker 1: their stride? You know what, Paulie, The Browns are a

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Speaker 1: dangerous team. And they're a dangerous team because I have

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Speaker 1: a dangerous quarterback in Baker Mayfield. All Right, David, this

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Speaker 1: is a guy that does have that in factor. We

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Speaker 1: were talking about that early. But I also like the

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Speaker 1: fact that they can line up and shove it down

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Speaker 1: your throat. They can line up and run the ball

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Speaker 1: with Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb running the ball. You watch

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Speaker 1: how many dbs turned down tackles that Nick Chubb is

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Speaker 1: running in this secondary even the Steelers PAULI. I saw

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Speaker 1: it three times where guys are like, oh, boy, joke me.

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Speaker 1: Hey Jay, you know really he joked you with one

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Speaker 1: little dead leg cut. You looked awful on that. And

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Speaker 1: there's a reason why guys were turning down tackles. And

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Speaker 1: Nick Chubb and he gets running and they run the

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Speaker 1: ball with Kareem Hunt. It is lights out and we know, Dave,

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Speaker 1: that's a quarterback's best friend. You get a running game

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00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: going like that, and think about it. I mentioned it

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Speaker 1: earlier over the last ten games when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: playoff quarterbacks and interceptions thrown. Jared Golf over the last

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Speaker 1: ten games is thrown nine. Lamar Jackson, Tom Brady have

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00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: thrown eight picks. Patrick Mahomes Spy Baker won just one

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Speaker 1: interception over the last ten games. How about that. And

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Speaker 1: they've got some studs on defense too. That is a

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Speaker 1: talented team. I agree with Wolf. I mean, Pittsburgh what

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Speaker 1: a disaster, and you can kind of see it coming

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. We're not playing well going into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: But I just I still feel like Cleveland is not

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Speaker 1: ready to beat a team like Kansas City. I could,

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Speaker 1: I could end up being completely wrong, but I feel

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Speaker 1: like as talented as they are, they're they're not ready

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Speaker 1: for this yet. Kansas City's had a little time now,

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Speaker 1: and we know how good Patrick Mahomes is. He's I think,

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Speaker 1: on a mission. I think he's got that mentality of

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Speaker 1: where initially it was about proving he's great. Now he

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00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: knows he's great, and so does everybody else. There is

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Speaker 1: an amazing leaf factor with that team in Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 1: and I that's why I see them winning this week.

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Speaker 1: But I think Cleveland will make a game of it.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll be in that game because of how

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Speaker 1: talented they are. You know, it's amazing about it. Though.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland is built to pull something some type of upset here,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just going to go out on a limb

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Speaker 1: right now because they can run the ball. And this

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Speaker 1: is the Achilles heel once again of the Kansas City Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: This is a. Bill Belichick showed how you beat the

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Speaker 1: Chiefs a couple of years ago when he lined up

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Speaker 1: in twenty one personnel, two backs, and he ran the

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Speaker 1: ball right down the middle of the field, in between

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Speaker 1: the tackles. And that's where the Cleveland Browns, that's where

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Speaker 1: they excel. So beware. I expect Kansas City to win,

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Speaker 1: but be aware, well, does that you have to keep

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Speaker 1: him off the field? Right? You gotta keep Mahomes off

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Speaker 1: the field, Paully, that's it. You mean you got to

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Speaker 1: run the ball because if you have to outscore them

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Speaker 1: otherwise and we sat last year in the playoffs, that's

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Speaker 1: not happening. Yea. And the second best quarterback right now

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Speaker 1: might be Josh Allen. But if you got a Baltimore team,

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Speaker 1: we'th it. Just ran for two thirty six at Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: And there's gonna be some snow in the forecast. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: maybe advantage Ravens in Buffalo. Guys, it's supposed to snow

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Speaker 1: rain all weekend in Buffalo, New York. I know how nasty,

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Speaker 1: how nasty that can be in the park. All right,

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Speaker 1: Baltimore has won six in a row. Buffalo has won

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Speaker 1: seven in a row. So think about that, coming off

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Speaker 1: their first playoff win in twenty five years the Bills.

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Speaker 1: That'll be good stuff over the weekend, we'll come back.

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Speaker 1: We'll wrap up this edition of The Big Red Rage

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Speaker 1: presented by Santan Ford. In Gilbert Palmer takes the snaff

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Speaker 1: play action past. Palmer's setting up. He's in trouble. He's hit,

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Speaker 1: gets out of there and rolls right, throws back to

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Speaker 1: the left, fins its wind off in fun of the

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Speaker 1: thirty five moment. He's there. He's in the morning of

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Speaker 1: the fifty turns in the field of the forty five

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Speaker 1: thirty five, twenty f I'm putting fitto the dear side

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Speaker 1: ten to the five and tackle there Prson Palmer. So

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Speaker 1: I got out of trouble a baby Carson Palmer doing

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Speaker 1: a worldly bird in the pocket and saw Mary Fitzgerald

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Speaker 1: on the other side of the field and the Larry Fitzgerald,

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Speaker 1: the legend, took ober and did the rastle second down

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Speaker 1: and go the five. They can win it with a

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Speaker 1: touchdown snapped. The Palmer rolls out, Hey, it's a pitch

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Speaker 1: to fitch turning trainer hit it end down to come

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Speaker 1: an tucked out of the wind, but hurdles and dance

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Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship game, but a shovel pass of

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Speaker 1: all things, and one of the craziest games ever hurdles

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Speaker 1: winning it overtime twenty six to twenty. Put your heads

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00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: in the air and stepped away from the football. Jerry

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Speaker 1: Fitzgerald on the shuttle paths on an incredible goal in

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Speaker 1: more ways than one. Guy's very well done. An epic

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00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 1: call from Passionabolf on the Arizona Cardinals radio network. That

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00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: was a twenty fifteen playoffs. Of course, Larry Legend accounting

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00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: for all the yardage is seventy five yard catching run boom,

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00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: there's the stiff arm midway through, and then the shovel

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Speaker 1: passed for the game winner by Ba And you know me,

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Speaker 1: I don't ever say that, but that was a great call.

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Speaker 1: And if memory serves Carson Palmer, maybe Larry revealed after

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Speaker 1: the game they'd practice that every Friday for two years. Yes, right,

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Speaker 1: They've been sitting on that for two years, and then

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Speaker 1: finally they dialed it up. And we bring all that

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Speaker 1: up because Carson Palmer, it was announced this week, will

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Speaker 1: be inducted into the College Football Hall of Fame, spent

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Speaker 1: five years at USC course was the Heisman winner, and

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Speaker 1: he'll be inducted along with a dozen others during the

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Speaker 1: ceremony in December. Wrapping up this edition of The Big

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Speaker 1: Red Rage ron Wolfe, yours truly, Paul Klvec, Dave Passion

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Speaker 1: and Dave. Here we are again, by the way, speaking

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Speaker 1: to Larry. You know it's Larry Watch two thousand and

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Speaker 1: twenty one, and whether he's coming back for an eighteenth

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Speaker 1: season or not, you've called every one of his snaps

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Speaker 1: as an Arizona Cardinal. What do you think you got

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00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: a gut feel on Fits other than this year when

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00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: I got when I got COVID and we get kicked

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Speaker 1: out of the booth you had, that's true, But and

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Speaker 1: I'm the last guy who should have forgot about that.

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Speaker 1: Well well, I know, but also then don't forget the

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Speaker 1: second Fits made sure to remind me earlier this year

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Speaker 1: that I that I missed the second half of the

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Speaker 1: Rams game last year as well. M Boyer. I look, nobody,

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Speaker 1: nobody knows, but Larry. I think it's it. My gut

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Speaker 1: is that he does not come back. Um. I hate

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00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: to say it. I'd love to see Larry play five

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Speaker 1: more years. Um, the Cardinals need his leadership and just

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00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: who he is. I Mean, the thing that's always stood

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Speaker 1: out to me about Larry is how he treats people

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Speaker 1: in the organization. Yeah, you talk about the definition of

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00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: being a franchise player, how you represent the organization within

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Speaker 1: the organization, in the community. We know about Larry, but

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Speaker 1: what people don't see is how he treats everybody in

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Speaker 1: the organization. Guys, how many times have we been on

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Speaker 1: the road and we see Larry at a meal, sitting

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Speaker 1: one meal with the trainers, The next meal he's with

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Speaker 1: the broadcasters, another meal he's with a certain position group

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Speaker 1: or the scouts. I mean, I think that's intentional. I think,

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Speaker 1: first of all, Larry just likes people. He likes to

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Speaker 1: be around people. But I also think some of that

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Speaker 1: is intentional of you know, I'm the face of this organization,

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Speaker 1: and I want everybody in the organization to feel like

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Speaker 1: they are a part of this. He's such a special guy.

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Speaker 1: I hope this is an introfits, but I feel like

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Speaker 1: it probably is. Yeah, I've said this before, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to continue to say it right now. For the last

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Speaker 1: three years, I said he's done this is and he's

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Speaker 1: come back every time, So I'm going to continue that

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, for a fourth year, he's done well,

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Speaker 1: and hope that he comes back. The video surface to

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Speaker 1: him getting slimed on Nickelodeon a few years ago. So hey, Dave,

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Speaker 1: as your agent called Nickelodeon, do you want in on

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Speaker 1: one of the virtual slime cannon games? You know? I

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00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: mean that got ridiculous ratings and in viewership and it

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Speaker 1: went vira on social media. I do think if Larry

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Speaker 1: does not come back, I could see Larry getting into broadcasting.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of it, I don't know he'll be on Nickelodeon,

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00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think Larry would be very good in

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Speaker 1: the world of broadcast. Is going to be job. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be good at whatever he does. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a kid oriented telecast with Disney that they're

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Speaker 1: set up for down the road. So just file that

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Speaker 1: away for Dave fashion ron Wolf, Paul calvcis special Thanks

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Speaker 1: Jim Almandro and Cody Fincher. This has been the Big

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Speaker 1: Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert Tyler. You've

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Speaker 1: been listening to the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford

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