1 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets Podcast. Ethan 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Greenberg Eric Allen here in the bet MGM studio talking 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: about Carl Lawson, the new Jets pass rusher formerly of 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals. We got Jay Morrison, the beat writer 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,240 Speaker 1: for the Bengals on the Athletic on the podcast today, 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: and he brought the juice just like Carl Awson brings 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: the juice off the edge. Day Morrison, who you pointed 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: out head of Mullet way back in the day, much 9 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: like new Jets offensive alignment. Dan Feeney. H We are 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: inside the bet MGM studio and the Jets are betting 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 1: on Carl Lawson there, but that they have an ascending 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: pass rusher. Who's going to Who's going to fill that 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,959 Speaker 1: very critical part of this defense. Jets making a transition 14 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: from a three four to a four three, they needed 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: some speed and some juice off the edge. Enter Lawson 16 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: and Carl Lawson. When you look at what he brings 17 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: to the defensive line alone, then you combine him with 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams, Sheldon Rankins, Coloronzo Vato Kassi, John Franklin, Myers, 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: Vinny Curry added in free agency there's a laundry list 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: of Jets lineman. The front four or the is looking 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: pretty formidable as we sit here at the end of March. 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Wonder Solom Jeff Albrook. I think you can't have enough 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: quality defensive lineman because you are going to go to 24 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: a rotational system. With that being said, last year, Cincinnati 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: um in Cincinnati Lawson became a three down player for 26 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: the first time in his NFL career, and he's not 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: gonna come off the field because in passing situations you're 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: gonna want your best pass rusher out there, and you 29 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: got lost in on the edge. What's really enticing, I 30 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: think for Jets fans is the loss in Quinnin Williams. 31 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:58,559 Speaker 1: Dynamic Williams flourished last year from that interior position. That's 32 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: why he was the number three over all pick in 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: the draft. Right seven sacks. We saw that potential come 34 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: to life. He's only gonna get better now you have 35 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: loss and who will be twenty six when the regular 36 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: season starts. And you mentioned the defensive line, Jets are 37 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: really deep at the defensive tackle position, where they had 38 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: questions entering free agency. Big questions you would say would 39 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: be at defensive end and they bringing loss in long 40 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: time Jet uh. George Jenkins, I think handle himself with 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: tremendous amount of class, thanking the Jets organization and Jets fans, 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: but he is a Houston Texans now and he was 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: the fit and the three four and once again you 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: make that system change and Salah and all Brick, they 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: needed a guy who was going to impact the quarterback 46 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: from that edge. And I think now a lot of 47 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 1: jetsments are saying, well, given the moves in free agency, 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: maybe the Jets won't go edge in the first round 49 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: or their thirty four pick overall, which is the second 50 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: round at the top. And just on that note, I 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: would say never say never right like that. The Jets 52 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: haven't had a young, home grown pass rusher in a 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: long time. If the player and the fit and the 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: value all match up. You know, Robert Sale wants defensive lineman. 55 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: You said that you can't have enough of them ever, 56 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: and with the rotation, rested rushers probably your best rushers. 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: So we'll see what happened in the draft. I'm not 58 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: saying they're gonna draft one at two, three or thirty four, 59 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: but I just wouldn't count it out. Well, you keep 60 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: your options open. And who's gonna be the top overall 61 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: pass rusher in the draft we've been talking about it 62 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: is that Quitty Pay from Michigan is a Zizogelari from Georgia. 63 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: Those are the two names that you hear most often. 64 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: There are a couple of guys from Miami who have 65 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: interesting backgrounds. And j Phillips Jalen Phillips excuse me, and 66 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: Gregory were so, we're so didn't play last season, the 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: fifteen and a half sacks the last time he was 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: on the field. And Phillips says, an interesting backstory. But 69 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: those are guys you can hear probably early within the 70 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: first two rounds, right, Yeah, for sure. I assuming phillips 71 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: medical history comes back clean, then absolutely. And Phillips had 72 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: his pro day recently. I had no idea how cut 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: up he was, but he he apparently tore it up 74 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: down in Coral Gables. And let's hear from J Morrison 75 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: of The Athletic for more on Carl Lawson. Jay, before 76 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: we dive into Carl Lawson the fine details, both the 77 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: player and the person, just how would you describe his 78 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: career in Cincinnati since being drafted in two thousand seventeen. 79 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: UM overwhelmingly positive. I mean, he was a fourth round guy. 80 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: They got way more out of him than I think 81 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: a lot of people expected. Uh, he had the a 82 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: c L injury. Um that he came back from. Um, 83 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: it's a little weird because he came just came on 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: like a ball of fire that rookie year. Eight and 85 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: a half stack. He only had sixteen tackles that year 86 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: and eight and a half sacks. Um. I think everybody thought, oh, 87 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: this is the future, and it it never really he 88 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: never improved on that sack wise, he was still a 89 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: heck of a rusher, but um, it was I think 90 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: it was more than you could expect from a fourth 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: round pick. And and he's still there's still a lot 92 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: of untapped potential there. You mentioned his rookie season, Jay, 93 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: why was he able to excel right away? And also, 94 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: can you take me back to a one particular game 95 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: where Cincinnati was playing the Green Bay Packers and I 96 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: believe he registered two and a half sacks of Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, 97 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: that was that was early in the year. That was 98 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: Week three, I believe it was. Um, they had not 99 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: scored a touchdown in their first two games, and that's 100 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: when things They fired their offensive coordinator and uh, the 101 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: defense was kind of driving the team at that point. Um, 102 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: he was just like a Tasmanian devil coming off the edge. 103 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: I mean, he's got crazy speed and in great bend 104 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: and he just found the way We saw it right 105 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 1: away in training camp. And and it was it wasn't 106 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: so much at first like this guy is something special. 107 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: You knew he was good, but it was more, Uh, 108 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: they're in trouble because these tackles are not good. Because 109 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: that was right after they moved on from Andrew Whitworth, 110 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: and um, they had tack taken Cedrico boy He and 111 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: Jake Fisher in the first and second round in draft 112 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: and now they're counting on them to be their starters 113 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: in So it was kind of the combination of things. 114 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: But a big part of it too was you had 115 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: the two leading sackers in Bengals history on that line 116 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 1: with Carl and Gino Atkins and Carlos Dunlap. So it 117 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: was just they were all just feasting off each other 118 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: and and a lot of it was, you know, carl 119 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: was the first man back and he's kind of feeding 120 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: sacks to those guys. Or those guys are getting there 121 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: and Carl's cleaning up um. But it well, it was 122 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: just a great comment. It was a great defensive line 123 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: that year, and and he just that speed that he 124 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: had off the edges. His main goal going into year 125 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: two was to get stronger and work on the bull rush, 126 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: and uh, he did get stronger. We never really saw 127 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: him become that total, complete edge rusher. It's still almost 128 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: all about the speed with him. But he did improve 129 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: his game in that regard and it paid off this year. 130 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: He finally got a chance to be a three down guy. Well, 131 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier about untapped potential. What makes you say that? 132 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: And and is his next step, let's say with the Jets, 133 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: just becoming a total defensive end pass rusher where you 134 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: can play with speed and power. I think he has 135 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: to learn how to finish and that's where the untapped 136 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,679 Speaker 1: potential is. He he was one of the league leaders 137 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: in pressures. I mean, he gets back there so often, 138 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of it was because the Bengals path 139 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: he was it. I mean, as good as that that 140 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: d line was his first year in the league, it's 141 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: bad this year. So he didn't have any other guys 142 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: helping him this year. He was always the first one 143 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: back there, and he just there were so many times 144 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: when he's in position to make sacks and he either 145 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: overran it or the guy wiggled re And I just 146 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: think once he he learns how to finish, he can 147 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: he can become a consistent double digit sack guy. Um 148 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: It's something I know that he's he's focused on improving. UM. 149 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: I think it's uh. It played into the fact that 150 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: why the Bengals let him walk. I mean they signed 151 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, who's uh, you know, had one breakout year 152 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: from the Saints. It was kind of a just to 153 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: swap meat. They let Carl Lawson go and then they 154 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: said they signed Trey Hendrickson, and I just I don't 155 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that they had full faith that that 156 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: he's ever going to develop into that major finisher. But 157 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: but I think he will, just knowing the guy, how 158 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: committed he is to working hard and his craft, and UM, 159 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: I look for big things for Carla in New York. Jay, 160 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: were you surprised by that move because the Bengals did 161 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 1: enter free agency with some flexibility, and like you said, 162 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: they opted for Hendrickson as opposed to keeping loss in 163 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: in their system. A guy they invested in and he's 164 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: been part of the Bengals franchise for four years. Yeah, 165 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: I was a little surprised, but not totally because that's 166 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: the way the Bengals operate. They put a price on 167 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: a guy and if someone outbids them, they're not going 168 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 1: to get in a bidding war. And I think they 169 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: felt there were other edge rushers out there that they 170 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: could get at their price. They wanted Carl back. They tried, 171 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: They did try to get Carl back, but the Jets 172 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: through more money than the Bengals were willing to match, 173 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: and they had that that little bit of doubt in 174 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: the back of their head whether he was ever gonna 175 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: be an elite guy. We we had this whole MythBusters 176 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: series that we did at the Athletic or each each 177 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: writer picked a myth so to speak about their team. 178 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: In mind was is Carl Lawson an elite edge rusher? 179 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: And uh, we didn't bust the myth and we didn't 180 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: prove it. We we said, jury still out. It's it's 181 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: just there's that's the big question with him is is 182 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: he can look canny learn how to finish, and I 183 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: think maybe the Bengals had a little bit of doubt 184 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: and they stuck to their guns on their their price 185 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: point and let him walk. Can you talk a little 186 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: a little bit about his work ethic. You kind of 187 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 1: mentioned it in your answer that you would bet on 188 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: Carl Austin to become that complete pass rusher. But I'm 189 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: just wondering, can you talk about his work ethic a 190 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: little bit, because I think that's something that Robert Sale 191 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: and Joe Douglas always stressed that they're looking for employers. Yeah, 192 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: I think, by by and large, most NFL guys are 193 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: really committed to working out and in in just having 194 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,319 Speaker 1: that work ethic. But but Carl just embodied it. I mean, 195 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: that's all he talked about. Um, he loved to work out. 196 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: He had that a c L injury and came back 197 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: way faster than they expected because of how hard he 198 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: hit the rehab. And it helped too that one of 199 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: the Bengals defensive lineman, um Ryan Glasgow, suffered a c 200 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: L injury a couple of weeks before him, and they 201 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: were kind of workout partners and they both came back 202 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: sooner than expected. But it's just he's it's not just 203 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 1: the workouts and going hard and practice, but he's a 204 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: real student of the game. He appreciates the history, He 205 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: studies guys and their technique, and he loves talking about it. 206 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 1: If you guys ever can get him one on one 207 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 1: in locker room, he'll he'll talk your ear off about 208 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. He's just a really personal, engaging 209 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: guy that is is very, very committed to being the 210 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: best player he can be. Jay I had a chance 211 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: to visit with them shortly after he signed with the Jets. 212 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: Seems like he has an infectious personality. Uh Like, there's 213 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: a very good way about him. And with that being said, 214 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: fun guy, but also he made it clear that he 215 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: wants to be an elite player. Did you sense that 216 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: passion in him? Yeah, yeah, right from the get go, 217 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: and he is it's hard for rookies to come in 218 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: because they the vets will get on him if they're 219 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: talking to the media a lot. And and Carl never 220 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: worried about that. He and he's one of those guys 221 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: that will not just sit there and spout cliches at you. 222 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: And he won't just talk football, He'll he'll talk other things. 223 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: He'll he'll ask you about you and your family, and 224 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: he's just just you said it, just a very personable guy. 225 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: And Um, I think that came across in his in 226 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: his opening press conference with the media. There came across 227 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: in almost every press conference he did hear, whether it 228 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: was on zooms his past year, those were really bad 229 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: for most of them across the league. It was it's 230 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: just a it's an impersonal thing. And you could see 231 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: how stiff a lot of the players were on there, 232 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: and he's he's cracking jokes and engaging in people and 233 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: and like he did with Kim Jones, um, you know, 234 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: mentioned him by name, and and it's just he's a 235 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 1: really fun guy to be around and a fun guy 236 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: to watch play. You know. Carl also said in his 237 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: press conference, maybe he just told e a that something 238 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: he was looking forward to doing is becoming more of 239 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: a leader with the Jets. And did you ever sense 240 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: that from him in Cincinnati that maybe he was not 241 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: the guy, but he was the guy in waiting per se. Um, 242 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: I don't, I I don't. It's not any a knock 243 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: on him. They just had this this Bengals roster, which 244 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: is now the churn is almost complete, but they had 245 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: so many of the old Marvin Lewis veterans still in 246 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: that locker room. And it was you know, a J. Green, 247 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: or it was Andy Dalton in Carl's first three years here. Um, 248 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 1: it was just kind of a sense of deferment to 249 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: those guys. And and and especially in his own um 250 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: position group room, He's got Carlos Dunlap and Gino Atkins 251 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: and and Gino is doesn't say a word, but he 252 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: is a commanding force and he is a a leader, um, 253 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: even without being a vocal one. And I think he 254 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: just he just kind of deferred to those guys. And 255 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: I think he sees this as a a clear or 256 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: a fresh start, you know, not you're going to a team, 257 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 1: you can kind of jump into that leadership role. You're 258 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: you're being paid big money, so I think it's expected 259 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: of you in some regard. So I don't think anyone's 260 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: gonna say, hey, who's the new guy trying to lead? 261 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: So that that will be one of the more interesting 262 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: things to watch is is how he can how he 263 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: can translate that personality into leadership inside the locker room. 264 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: How about the physical skill set, because he's blessed with 265 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 1: this tremendous explosion off the edge. We know that. And 266 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: he's got the speed. And you mentioned Carlos Dunlap. Well, 267 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: Dunlap is a longer player. How is Lawson still able 268 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 1: to be effective even though you know, I think scouts 269 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: would tell you he's not the longest athlete. Yeah, that's 270 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: just it. I mean, his the way he can get 271 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: so low. Uh when he bends going around the edge, 272 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: he gets under a lot of these offensive tackles where 273 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: it almost works to advantage advantage instead of disadvantage by 274 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: being a little bit smaller. Um, I I do, He's 275 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: still it was it was his first year to be 276 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: a three down guy. They they kind of saw what 277 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: they saw in Carlos Dunlap. They weren't really happy with 278 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: his effort and with how he was playing against the run. 279 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: And it was early in the season, week two where 280 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: they benched carl and Eric Um Carlos and and kind 281 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: of turned more to carl And he's been waiting for 282 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: this chance. And and he wasn't a liability against the run. 283 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: But he wasn't. It was nothing I popping. He was 284 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: just kind of a guy out there on rundown. So 285 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: that's that's one area where he needs to take a 286 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: big step forward. Um, if he can do that and 287 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: start finishing, like I mentioned earlier, than yeah, the sky's 288 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: the limit for him. What do you think about the 289 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: way that Carl adds to this defensive line along with 290 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams in the way that it's coming together where 291 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: you have Carl, Quinnin and then the Jets go out 292 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: and sign Sheldon Rankins, where this defensive front is now 293 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: looking really formidable and could in theory get after some 294 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: people come to two thousand twenty one season. Yeah, that's 295 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: just it. I mean, even if for Carl's personal game, 296 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: he would like to become a better finisher, but that's 297 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: not necessarily needed. If you've got guys like Quinnin and 298 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: and Rankins pushing up from the inside, Carl can be 299 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: that guy that he can get back there, get the pressure, 300 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: force the quarterback to step up into the pocket, and 301 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: those guys clean it up. It's for stats and salary, Yeah, 302 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: they like to get it, but if when it talks, 303 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: when you're talking about winning games and just playing football 304 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: in general, it doesn't matter who gets the sacks as 305 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: long as someone gets him and he can be a 306 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: really key piece in that with with how fast he 307 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: gets back there and and how disruptive he is, and 308 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: if he finishes, great, but if not, if you've got 309 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: other guys right there to clean it up, it's all 310 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: the same. So twenty sacks and one career games, what 311 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm hearing from you, Jay, is you like the player, Uh, 312 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: not only just as a talent, but as a guy 313 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: is gonna put in the work. Do you see double 314 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: digit sack potential for him at some point during his 315 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: career with the Jets, Because I know Jets fans have 316 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: been praying for an edge guy with speeding I think 317 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: it goes all the way back to the days of 318 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: John Abraham. Yeah, I mean, I think he's got it 319 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: in him. But it comes down to a lot of 320 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: what was the situation in Cincinnati. You're playing on a 321 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: losing team, and if you're playing from behind constantly, it 322 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: just greatly reduces your the number of times you get 323 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: to rush the passer. If if if the Jets can 324 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: turn things around and start playing with the lead in 325 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: the second half and particularly in the fourth quarter, and 326 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: forced teams into must pass situations, then yeah, I think 327 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: he can get there. It's it's it's hard to say 328 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: he will because he's never done it. Eight and a 329 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: half was his career high, but that's not that far 330 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: from ten. And with with the untapped potentially has and 331 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: the potential for the Jets to get this turned around 332 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: and and become a winning team under Robert Sale, I 333 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: think he can get there. J One final question from me, 334 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: and it's unrelated to Carl Awston. You know your Twitter 335 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: bio says mullet alumnus with receipts. And I'm trying to 336 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: think of NFL players that have a mullet. Well, one 337 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: of them is new Jets offensive lineman Dan Feeney. So one, 338 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: have you seen the mullet or photos of the mullet? 339 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: And to what do you think of the mullet? You know, 340 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't seen his mullet. Um. I cut 341 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: mine in the early two thousands and uh never never 342 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 1: went back. Uh. My wife was being a haircut and 343 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: uh I was a friend of ours house that was 344 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: a hairdresser and had I had a couple of brillet 345 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: beers and they talked me into cutting it off and 346 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: I did, and I've never gone back. But but I 347 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: do I have receiveds. I have a lot of pictures 348 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: from the high school and college days of the of 349 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: the flowing locks. I love it. We've all played with 350 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 1: our hair before. That's all part of it. Hey, Jay, uh, 351 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: let's make a transition to the draft. A Bengal sitting 352 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: there at number five overall, just your thoughts because the 353 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 1: Jets sitting there too, and they also had the twenty 354 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: three overall selection in the two thousand twenty one draft 355 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: that's coming up now in a couple of weeks. What 356 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: Cincinnati rooting for in front of them? Yeah? You know, 357 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: I asked that exact question of of Zach Taylor, the 358 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: head coach. You know, would you prefer four quarterbacks go 359 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: off the board and you've got your choice of the 360 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: best non quarterback or would you prefer that that maybe 361 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: only to go and then you've got teams behind you 362 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: that are dialing you up and getting into into a 363 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: bidding ward and move up to take one of those quarterbacks. 364 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: And he just said, we'll be prepared for for whatever. 365 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 1: But it just it feels like it's gonna be Jamaar 366 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: Chase or a trade back. And the Bengals have they've 367 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: been burned with trades before, and you just wonder how 368 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: gun shy they are even if it's the right move. Um. 369 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: But so I think that's what they're hoping, is that 370 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: it's four quarterbacks off the board and then they get 371 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: to pick between Jamar Chase and Penet Seul. But yeah, 372 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: if it's me, I'm I'm trading back and and and 373 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: getting extra picks. Um. They they don't have a lot. 374 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: They used to when they were going to playoffs five 375 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: years in a row, they had a lot of compics 376 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: and they really stacked some drafts. That's not been the 377 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: case lately. They still have a lot of holes to fill. 378 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: And I just I think with with how deep this 379 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: offensive line and receiver classes are and those being their 380 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 1: two biggest needs, they could they could really make some 381 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: headway in the second round by picking up some extra 382 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: picks and only moving back, you know, five to tens. 383 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: Great stuff from j We'll be looking at photos of 384 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: Dan Foeni's mullet. You know, I really do like the mullet. 385 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't think I would ever do it. I don't 386 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: know if I could do it, but I like Dan 387 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: Foenie's mullet. Have you ever shaved your head? No? But 388 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: I used to spike my hair, like well, I definitely spike. 389 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: I think anybody who follows you on social media saw 390 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: the Carrier Dome celebrating after a three point or an 391 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: inner merrow be inter merroy beast. It was not intrameral basketball. 392 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: You probably have you died your hair? Um, you've probably 393 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: done that as well. I bet you know. I don't 394 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: think so. I'm trying to think. Maybe for Halloween one year, 395 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: put like a blue jel in, but I don't think 396 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: I have ever died it a blue jel Yeah, Like 397 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: so your hair had like a tint of a color 398 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: to go with the costume, but I don't remember what 399 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: it was. Four. I picked my head a couple of times. 400 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: My mom really did not like that. And then also 401 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: I feel like people automatically are gonna take can step 402 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: back when you back your head, It's like, oh my god, 403 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: what's your deal? You know what I'm saying? So that 404 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: have you ever colored? Not colored, but like done like 405 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: a what? No? I put sun in my hair when 406 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: I was like no frosted Tips six No Andrew agrol 407 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: from corporate sponsorships Frost to Tips take a look. Hope 408 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: he has receipts. I gotta do some photos. Oh, we do? 409 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 1: And how old is he? Oh? He is Sturing college. 410 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: He's a college years al right, it was a college 411 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: football player. Wait who was? Oh? He was? Yeah, all right, 412 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: we'll talk about this off there. I didn't know that. 413 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: But anyway, in terms of free agency, I know that 414 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: we're going to start shifting to the draft real soon 415 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: because it's the start of April and the Draft of April. 416 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: The Official Jets podcast coming up. We are, but we 417 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: have to put a bow on free agency. And we've 418 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: talked about before how free agency shapes more of what 419 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: you would maybe consider what will happen in the draft 420 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: in terms of the first couple of rounds. And you know, 421 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: I think that the Jets are in a good spot 422 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: overall heading into the draft, and the couple of positions 423 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: that have stood out in terms of that, there have 424 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: been no moves so far. You think about the interior 425 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: of the offensive line is supposed to be a good 426 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: class in terms of the draft. Well, Phoenie you mentioned him, 427 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, you're right, You're right, Phoenie is the 428 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 1: only one. And cornerback. I don't think the Jets have 429 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: signed anybody or re signed anybody at the time in 430 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: which we're taping. That's fair. What's gonna happen in the 431 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 1: nickel position? Jeff Lyn Gidrey, who I really like a 432 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: lot and flashed down the stretch last year. He showed more. Uh, 433 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: he showed people that he was more than just a 434 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: speed guy coming out of Utah. I like his potential. 435 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: But Brian Pool gave you twenty three good games over 436 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: the last two seasons. Jeff all Brick familiar with him 437 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 1: from their days together in Atlanta. He still is an 438 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: unrestricted free agent. So what are the Jets doing there? 439 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,160 Speaker 1: We talked about in the past. I think Bryce Hall 440 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: and bless Austin good physical skill sets for what the 441 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 1: Jets are probably gonna do on the side here. And 442 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: then you mentioned the interior offensive line right now, it's 443 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: a group that includes Phoene started a lot of games 444 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 1: with the Chargers. You got Alex Lewis still on this roster, 445 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: and Greg Van wrote and of course, but the two 446 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: positions what stand out in free agency defensive line. This 447 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 1: podcast is largely been on Carl Lawson and he's the headliner, 448 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: but you brought in Vinny Curry as well, Vinny Curry 449 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: is gonna be probably the oldest guy in this roster, right, Yeah, yeah, 450 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: he's definitely up there. I mean Greg Van wrote and 451 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 1: I think he's about thirty years old. Well, Curry, he's 452 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: gonna be thirty three. I think when the season starts. Yeah, 453 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: I think I'll double check. But right now, the point 454 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: I Curry is the connection with Joe Douglas. He's also 455 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: a guy is probably gonna be a rotational fit for 456 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: you who can give you a good play opposite loss 457 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: in at times more stout push the pocket, um because 458 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 1: you're gonna have loss in on this side. Um. And 459 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: then where you also got deeper under rated maybe a 460 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 1: little bit, is the wide receiver position, because not only 461 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: did he Corey Davis and he told the media I 462 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: consider myself a number one receiver and the Jets think 463 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: he's an ascending player, but Keelan Cole added to the 464 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: mix as well, and he's got flexibility where you can 465 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: play slot and outside. I think another position maybe goes 466 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: overlooked his safeties just because Marcus May was franchise tag. 467 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that move still happen. You know, you 468 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: still have to give the credit to Joe Douglas for 469 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: keeping Marcus May in the building even though they're still 470 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: working on a long term deal. Marcus maye in the building, 471 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: he could have said, you know, we're not gonna tag him, 472 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 1: We're gonna test free agency. Marcus May could have walked 473 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: right that. That could have been a scenario. Instead, Marcus 474 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: May comes in. Probably not a likely scenario, but it's 475 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: a scenario. Nonetheless, Marcus May comes back, and then you 476 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: add La Marcus Joiner. Now you're three safety is on 477 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: the roster right now, Marcus May, LaMarcus Joyner, and Ashton Davis. 478 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: Where at the end of the sea, then it was May, Davis, Farley, 479 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 1: Matthias Farley, Bennett Jackson. I think he got a little 480 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 1: more talented in that room. So I think that that's 481 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: a position that often goes overlooked just because it's assumed 482 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: that Marcus May was never like in the free agent portal, 483 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: which I guess he technically wasn't. But that room still 484 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: got a boost with the return of May and and 485 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: the addition of Joiner, And I think that's another position 486 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: that maybe we could see another guy added, whether it's 487 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,400 Speaker 1: free agency or the draft, because right now I think 488 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: the Jets only have three of them. Well, I think 489 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: they got one more check on that. Joiner gives you 490 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: a position flexibility because that's a former second round pick 491 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: who started his career with the Rams. Last couple of seasons, 492 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: he's been playing with the Raiders and they actually had 493 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: him play the nickel spot. I think he's gonna be 494 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: more of a true safety with the Jets, but he 495 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: can play either one of those spots you mentioned May 496 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: and Davis. I would imagine the Jets right now, is 497 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: he sitting here in April are thinking mais your free 498 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: safety and st and Davis is more of your box guy. 499 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: But uh, you get more depth and you get another 500 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: culture guy when you bring in somebody like LaMarcus Joyner. 501 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: How about the running back position. Greens a lot of 502 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: bodies there, and Tevin Coleman edits to the mix. So 503 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: now it's Tevin Coleman, La, Michael p Ryan, um Ty 504 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: Johnson and Josh Adams and Pete Guerrero. Uh the guy 505 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 1: you were talking about, I think it was j T 506 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,720 Speaker 1: has The other safety who I didn't know has only 507 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: like three fingers on one hand. I didn't know that. 508 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: So the Jets running backs you know, I'm very interested 509 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: to see what's gonna happen in the draft because right 510 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: now I think we're under the assumption it's looking like 511 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: a running back by committee similar to San Francisco and 512 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: what Kyle Shanahan has out there. Right But but but 513 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna put this out there, like I just 514 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: watched the video of Daniel Jeremiah NFL Network saying the 515 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: best fit he believes for Travis e t N is 516 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: with the Jets, and if the Jets go to the 517 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: running back by committee approach, for me, it's hard to 518 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: believe that they would take e t N at twenty 519 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: three or thirty four if he were there in one 520 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: of those situations. How much I like e t N. 521 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: I think he's I think e t N is dynamic, 522 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: he's fast, and you know what what Dane Brugler of 523 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: The Athletic told me when we broke down the running backs, 524 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: he said, e t N is like a home run hitter. 525 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: He might strike out, but whole hit a home run one. 526 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: You know, you you can never count him out to 527 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: hit a home run. And the stat that really stands 528 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: out to me in terms of e t N is 529 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: that he has scored a touchdown in forty six out 530 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: of fifty five career games. He has four thousand rushing 531 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: yards a thousand receiving yards. He's a dynamic player no 532 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: matter who's playing quarterback. He could also provide a checkdown 533 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 1: option where he could then get a lot of yards 534 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: after the catch. It will be interesting if he is 535 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: on the board at twenty three. Who else is going 536 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: to be on the board at three. I'm just wandering 537 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: in the NFL in a league that covets its playmakers. 538 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: If he goes off before three, overall, you're talking more 539 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: than seven yards to carry over the course of his career. Also, 540 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: a depth catching the ball out of the backfield. Perfect 541 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: fit for the system because one cut and then downhill 542 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: and you know he's something special in the open field. Uh. 543 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: You think the Kamara comparisons are fair? Yeah, I think 544 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: it's hard. I think it's also interesting. I love player comparisons, 545 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: but it's also difficult to compare because Alan Kamara was 546 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: a third round pick. So I think it's well. My 547 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: point on that was because you said it seems like 548 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: the Jets are gonna do running back by the committee. 549 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 1: I think everybody does, even Kamara who is an unbelievable talent. 550 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: When he started, it was him and mark Ingram. They 551 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: were sharing the load in New Orleans. So and uh 552 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: the way Sean Payton has used his ball carriers. And 553 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: then you look at San Francisco and Mostard and Jeff 554 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: Wilson and uh Matt Breed, all these guys. I think 555 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: Wilson led the forty niners and carries last year. Yeah, 556 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: I think it's there's like two trains of thought here. 557 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: Then Also, if we think about what the Green Bay 558 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: Packers do, that's a running back by committee to a degree, 559 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: at least the past couple of years, with Aaron Jones 560 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: and Jamal Williams. But Aaron Jones is clearly the lead 561 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: horse there. So will Jones is an offensive weapon, though 562 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: he's another guy just like e t and Tien is 563 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: probably gonna be we got we're thinking about running backs. 564 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: I think the old school thought was what do they do? 565 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,239 Speaker 1: You know when they get the hand off? But but 566 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 1: like Aaron Jones is an offensive weapon. Yes, yeah, I 567 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 1: think that's a good way to compare it. But like 568 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: when you're thinking of Aaron Jones, like I think it is, 569 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Let's say, if you were to do like a percentage share, 570 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, eight twenty Jones and Jamal Williams or you know, 571 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: seventy thirty, Whereas San Francisco it just feels like, you know, 572 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: maybe if you're going between most Stert Wilson and Coleman, 573 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's like forty twenty twenty, you know what I mean. 574 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 1: Like the pie is a little more even in San Francisco. 575 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: And the thing is, we don't know how Mike la 576 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: Fleur views this system because obviously we're he his he's 577 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: a Shanahan disciple, but he's gonna have his own wrinkles. 578 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: We don't know what those wrinkles are. So I think 579 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: this is all part of the the mystery of the 580 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: draft that's usually there. This is heightened because we don't 581 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: know what types of players Michael la Fleur wants. But 582 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: we do know the Jets like Tevin Coleman, because Tevin 583 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: Coleman started his career in Atlanta, Michael Fleur was there. 584 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: He signed a free agent contract under Kyle Shanahan and 585 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: Mike la Fleur he signed with the New York Jets, 586 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: and Coleman's a burner. I think we look at the 587 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: stats last year and he's dealt with some injuries and say, well, 588 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know he can't burn anymore. He's 589 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: a guy can get downhill. And the Jets got Connor 590 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: McGovern in the middle, got one of the best young 591 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: run blockers in the National Football League on the left side, 592 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: and McKay Beckton and I think Fan is going to 593 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: be a good fit for the system at right tackle. Yeah. 594 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: And the one final thing I have to say about 595 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: running back is the other part of the equation here 596 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 1: is can you find value in the in the second 597 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: or third round or fourth round when you look at 598 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 1: years past. You mentioned Camaro third round pick last year, 599 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: an Tonio Gibson from Washington third round pick J K. Dobbins. 600 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: I think it was the second round pick. But then 601 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 1: there's also his value in the first round. Like Clyde Edwards. 602 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: Hilaire was the first round pick last year for the 603 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs. So there's two sides of the coin. 604 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see which side the Jets will 605 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: fall on. And that's what we have them on of 606 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 1: April to discuss all things draft full steam ahead as 607 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 1: the first round commences April twenty nine in Cleveland, Ohio, 608 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 1: and that's how we wrap up this edition of the 609 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: Official Jet Podcast.