WEBVTT - Episode Six: Otherworldly Horizons 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:08.240 Previously on OBSCURUM: Invasion of the Drones. 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.479 Colorado has what they call a multi mission aircraft. They 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:10.480 call it an MMA. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.200 They can pinpoint of a. 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.760 Straight cap in the middle of a wildfire somewhere. 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:21.000 The man mentioned in the article who's apparently taking responsibility 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.720 for the sightings is this guy named Matthew Spencer. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:29.040 Everybody's knowing completely around that site, but it doesn't show 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.040 right there at that site. 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:31.880 Very weird. 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:34.400 Why do you think the drone showed up when the 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:35.920 trash can was let with fire. 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:38.559 I think it picked up the heat. It was probably 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:42.360 at least eight feet across. It was intimidating. Didn't know 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.160 anything like that, was it even existed that could hover 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.160 like that and then take off at that kind of speed. 0:00:54.840 --> 0:00:58.280 Hong Kong health authorities have activated their most serious response 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:00.720 level after an outbreak of a new type of viral 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:02.160 pneumonia in China. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:05.320 As the World Health Organization has declared the coronavirus outbreak 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.880 a public health emergency of International Concern. 0:01:07.959 --> 0:01:09.759 New York now confirming its first case. 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:14.840 We're deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread 0:01:14.959 --> 0:01:19.480 and severity. The WHO has formally declared the coronavirus a 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:25.840 global pandemic. When the coronavirus pandemic ramped up in the 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:31.160 spring of twenty twenty, I stayed focused, but experienced many setbacks. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:34.840 Along with trying to find more about Matthew Spencer and 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.280 if he was tied to the sidings, I didn't cover 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.800 other things, things that didn't make sense and made me 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:58.880 fear what technology may be hovering above the prairies. Chapter 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:06.400 eleven Outskirts of Yuma left here, old fashioned sign, rustic 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:15.960 kind of text in the window. To help get a 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:20.160 clearer picture of Matthew's relationship with the Yuma Pioneer, I 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.880 set a time to visit with the newspapers editor, Tony Rail. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.200 Walking into the newsroom felt like going back in time. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.400 The walls were a bit worn, and there was a 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.040 scent in the air that smelled like an old five 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:39.799 and dime store. Tony, nice to meet you. How many 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.280 papers do you appront of? Weekend? 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:41.440 Here? 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:44.800 Oh, are circuations about two thousand. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.239 Tony's the kind of guy you'd imagine running a small 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:52.960 town newspaper. He had gray hair glasses, and you could 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:55.640 tell he loved the news by the way that he talked. 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:59.160 He walked me to an empty room, then told me 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:03.680 when he first became aware of the unknown aircraft for sure, it. 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.799 Was in December when it started started getting reports about 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:09.600 him things in New Year's Even my kids said they 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:11.280 thought they saw one too, and drove out in the 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.160 country a little ways to kind of follow it. There's 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:14.720 somewhere around. 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.880 That night, when we talked for a couple minutes, I 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:20.200 moved the conversation to Matthew. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:20.520 Oh. 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:23.040 He was saying, there were the ones you know that 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:26.080 were doing this stuff. Some of found out more for him, 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.360 and they just kind of disappeared and never heard fro 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:28.720 him again. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:34.920 After a while, Tony didn't reveal much. After I left 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.760 the office, I thought I'd chat with a few local 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.960 residents to see if Matthew was a regular in Yuma. 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.320 No one had seen him. Another name kept getting brought up, 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.800 Tim Colin. It was said that Tim may actually know 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:56.720 what was behind a few of the sightings. Tim lived 0:03:56.760 --> 0:03:59.680 in a white, historic looking home on the main drag 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.680 right through town. He was waiting for me on the 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:03.400 front porch. 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:06.280 I got an old saying, and I take it from Einstein, 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.600 the universe is not only stranger than you imagine it's 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:13.880 stranger than you can't imagine. I take that straight to heart. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.000 I'm pushing seventy here, and I've learned a lot. There 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:18.080 no other way to look at it. 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.480 Tim has gray hair and a distinctive voice. It didn't 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:26.560 take long to realize why folks pointed me in his direction. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.040 The night I was abducted to my wife and I 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:30.560 were coming back from Denner because I had to go 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.279 up to see a doctor, coming back from a doctor's 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.600 appointment and coming up Highway fifty nine south of Yuma, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:41.960 about twelve miles south of Yuma at large ufo across 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:45.119 the road in front of it was probably a hundred 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.719 foot long, twenty foot wide and ten foot high, and 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.960 it crossed over the fence but under the phone lines 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:57.200 across the road. Now it was kind alongside the car 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:03.640 and backed up plenty of yards and put the car 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:07.880 and parking and we're looking at it. One light came 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:12.080 on right above. Now there was two bright lights. Now 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.120 A lot of people asked me what kind of alien 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.480 did abducted me? And I don't really know, got no clue. 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.680 Tim believed an alien had snatched him on the outskirts 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.080 of Yuma and put some type of chip the size 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:29.279 of a candalope seed in his arm. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.760 I'd injured my hand working, so I went to the 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:34.560 doctor and got next to Ray and he come back 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.120 and he says, do you know you have a piece 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:43.320 of metal in your wrist? And no, And he said, 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.560 got any idea where it come from? He had a 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.520 student nurse doctor with him, And I said, well, doctor, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.720 finish making your rounds and come back and I give 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:55.680 you some info on where that piece of metal might 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:58.720 have come from, because it was rapidly dawning on me 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.279 that it was shouldn't have been there, and it had 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.400 been interesting. The implant was put in my body and 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:08.159 it didn't have no port lantry. There was no port 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:10.080 lanty in my body for this thing to be put 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.520 in there. I mean there was a built for brise. 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:18.039 Tim was a character. This was a fascinating story and 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.000 a lot for me to take in. He provided nothing 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.400 new about the drone like craft seen in the region. 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.240 So did you ever find the guy that was mentioned 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:31.760 in the article that you were looking for? 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.520 No. I drove all the way to Yuma and I 0:06:34.600 --> 0:06:36.799 talked to the editor of the paper and he said 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:40.720 he talked to that guy about the story, and then 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.760 he just disappeared. Everyone kept saying, if you're looking for 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:45.960 information about the drones, you got to talk to this 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.960 guy named Tim, and I went over to Tim's house 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:52.200 and he started telling me this story that he was 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:53.920 abducted by an alien. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:55.800 Creepy, creepy, creepy. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.719 Okay, I got to get on this other call, but anyway, 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.680 I'll talk to late mom. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.960 I look deeper into another theory while trying to find 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.560 more about Matthew Spencer's background, and that was if these 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.520 flying objects could be related to the oil and gas industry. 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.440 Tell me just a little bit about what your company 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.080 does and what the priorities are of your company. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:22.200 We're a small on min aircraft company that we focus 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:26.640 primarily on the use of onman aircraft systems for scientific applications, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.040 so that can range everything from atmosphere can sense you're 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.120 sampling to a remote sensing. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:37.240 That's Jack Elston of Blackswift Technologies out of Boulder, Colorado. 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:41.240 His company not only flies drones for different clients, but 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:42.600 builds them too. 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.360 So we started out focusing on fixed wing on men 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.720 aircraft and the reason why we did that is because 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.480 of the endurance. They're far more efficient than quad roaders, 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:52.400 and so we can fly for a lot longer with 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:56.960 the same amount of battery, carrying more payload, And the payload, honestly, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:58.800 is the real reason why these things exist in the 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.960 first place. Without a sensor to gather data, you're just 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.920 having fun flying something around in the air. So the 0:08:04.960 --> 0:08:08.120 payload refers to, you know, anything that we're putting on 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:10.480 board to gather the data that doesn't have to do 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.240 with the flight control of the aircraft or actually keeping 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:14.520 the aircraft aloft. 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.400 Is thermal imaging pretty common in your line of work, Yeah. 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.520 I'd say it's second only to just regular visual imagery. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:26.240 Thermal camera can be used again, you were talking about 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:27.840 search and rescue. It makes it a lot easier to 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:30.760 find individuals rather than just trying to look at visual data. 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.720 We've also used thermal cameras as well to detect things 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.360 like pipelines underneath the ground because you can actually see 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.319 their thermal signatures coming to the surface. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.640 Do people use drones a lot like in oil? In 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.880 oil and gas or pipelines like that. 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.240 The oil industry, I know they're doing a lot of 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.400 infrastructure inspection, So inspectrum pipes and things like that, stuff 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:51.959 that you normally have to have people climb up on 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:53.880 ladders and kind of deal with the risk of that. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.520 It's much easier to just have the aircraft fly the 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:59.120 camera up there for you. They're also doing things like 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:01.839 looking at methane detection so see if there's any leaks 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:02.280 in the area. 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.560 The mysterious aircraft didn't belong to Jack's company, but I 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.320 thought he could have some ideas as to why they 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:10.199 might be flying. 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:12.240 Sounds like they were a fixed wing aircraft from based 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.640 one of the explanations that I heard, I don't know 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:17.439 exactly what people are doing. I mean, normally I have 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.200 to get permission to go do that without permission. The 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:22.280 most plausible thing I heard, though, was that it was 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:28.199 somebody that was conducting experiments as far as figuring out 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.319 whether these things could do perimeter surveillance or missile. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:37.640 Sites missile sites. When Jack said those words, I had 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.280 a flashback to high school. On the way to a 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.280 football game, I remember somebody pointing out an area on 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.480 the side of the road where a bomb was buried 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:54.240 in the ground. Weeks rolled by with few developments. Eventually, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:10:01.360 a new piece of information emerged Douglas Johnson, volunteer researcher 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:06.400 affiliated with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, a group 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:12.520 that analyzes unidentified aerospace phenomena, obtained a trove of internal 0:10:12.640 --> 0:10:17.600 FAA emails. They were published online and provided a glimpse 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:22.240 into how the FAA was approaching the unidentified drone mystery. 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:27.320 Looking to verify the authenticity of the messages, I noticed 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:31.239 a couple interesting notes in the endless pages of text. 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.360 One of them was dated January second, twenty twenty, and 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.880 written by Special Agent Michael Bumberger of the FAA's Law 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:45.240 Enforcement Assistance Program. Michael Bumberger, who I refer to as 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:49.160 Agent Bumberger, wrote that he was chasing a lead about 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:53.080 someone who may be behind the sightings. In the email, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:57.960 he insinuated that he wanted the FBI to visit this person. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:10.800 Chapter twelve The hunt. Was the FAA is zeroing in 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:15.679 on Matthew Spencer or was he even real? I contemplated 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.520 that question many times. I was beginning to wonder if 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:22.520 he was just a joke drummed up over a poker 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:27.640 game by some drunk at the bar. Then everything changed. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.080 Through a series of recurring visits to a couple people 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.160 who didn't want to be recorded. I was able to 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:39.480 figure out that Matthew Spencer did in fact exist. I 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.480 finally believed that I knew how to approach him. The 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.559 conversation started with a DM to a random Twitter account. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.760 There wasn't a person's name linked to it and very 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:55.760 few details In the bio. I wrote, I'm a journalist 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.760 based in la I'm originally from the area. I'd like 0:11:59.880 --> 0:12:03.800 to chat with you about the mystery aircraft. Interested in 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:08.880 learning more. I received a long and detailed reply. The 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:13.080 words were jumbled and confusing at times. The writing style 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.720 was similar to the article in the Yuma Pioneer. I 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.840 was ninety percent sure I was messaging with Matthew. I've 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.040 never seen this guy's face before. He told me he's 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:27.800 wearing Gene Schortz, I believe, a T shirt and a 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:38.600 ball cat. I persuaded Matthew to talk with me in person. 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:43.280 After many hours of driving through Kansas, I slowly pulled 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.880 up to a location. He chose, the Old Cowtown Museum 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.480 in Wichita. It's a western town that resembled the city 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.640 in the late eighteen hundreds. He was waiting in the 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:59.400 gift shop. He had a stocky build with a black hat, 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.600 car go shorts and glasses on. We set a brief hello, 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.200 then began walking through the town's dirt road streets. We 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.439 turned past the blacksmith shop, then grabbed a couple of 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.680 saasparillas from the saloon. We sat down at some picnic tables. 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:17.959 You're an old town square. 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:20.720 All right, So first go ahead and tell me your name. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:24.080 Yeah, it's Matthew Spencer. 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:27.319 And what is it exactly that your group does. 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:33.480 Basically, when you start forming together and you're picking up people, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.440 and you're picking up you know, property, and you're doing 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:40.640 different things. We decided to form a group. You know, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.280 in a group you're not gonna find on the Internet 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:46.240 or a website per se. But what we want to 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:47.760 do in the trick and we want to do is 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.920 essentially the identifying mark of who we are. 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:55.120 The tracking we want to do is an identifying mark 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:58.199 of who we are. Surely I didn't drive all the 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.040 way to Kansas for a vague recon sponsores like that. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:05.280 I asked Matthew to clarify, so we. 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.200 Caught some attention. When you get into what you're referred 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:12.720 to as the Colorado Drawn Mystery, naturally, but it's about 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.120 a decade of work. And essentially what we're doing is 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:21.040 we track high value aerospace targets, so to break down 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.840 into the business world. But our many focus is to 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:27.520 go after the UAPs that are within the news right now. 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.840 I thought back to a few stories I'd seen about UAPs. 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:33.280 Oh, queen of them. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:37.400 Look on the Afah going against the wain. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:37.920 They went one. 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:40.800 Hundred, went out of the class. While the mission of 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.320 Matthew's group was unusual, I wanted to get straight to 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.880 the point. It seemed highly unlikely that one man or 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:52.680 team could operate large numbers of drones in multiple locations 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.440 hundreds of miles apart at the same time. 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:01.360 How many drones were you using, like five, ten, fifteen, twenty. 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.600 So the groups of drones, let's say ten to twenty five? No, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.440 not at the same time. Yeah, do we have a fleet? 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.040 Of course? Was it you know, twenty five the night 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:13.400 sky looking any windows? 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.360 No? Well, I pressed Matthew on the characteristics of his 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:20.640 drones and if he was actually flying them at night. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:22.880 I didn't get much information. 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.280 So what type of process do you use and do 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:27.360 with those drones? 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:30.640 Yeah? 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.440 I wouldn't say there's an exact method, But the idea 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.400 is that you have to get in the air one 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:39.200 way or another with your devices and with your tools, 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.560 and then essentially, based on that data, your picking at 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:43.400 your next location. 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:48.480 Matthew avoided the question, and I was losing my patients. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.080 Do you know who is responsible for the drones in Colorado? 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:55.640 You have to get down to the basis. Were there 0:15:55.680 --> 0:16:00.080 other drones there besides mine? Yeah, without a doubt. Can 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:01.160 I tell you who they were? 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:06.240 No, Matthew was adamant that the small number of his drones, 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.520 along with others, were flying in the night sky. 0:16:10.680 --> 0:16:12.560 You know what I do when I'm tracking, or when 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:14.920 anybody's tracking, what do you do? You're flying a grid. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.600 That's just how it works. And so you hear all 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.160 the reports coming out, Well, they're flying in a grid. 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.520 Kind of makes me think that you know, you got 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:24.520 you know, I don't want to stay fool because I 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.440 wasn't trying to fool anybody, But you've seen something in 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:30.520 your brain kind of figured out the rest. Was there 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.640 drones in the area, Definitely, But anytime you have drones 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.400 in the area, there's always a why. So who's gonna 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.720 be right on the why? And it's always the facts 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.080 and the burden of proofs on you, and I think 0:16:41.080 --> 0:16:41.640 there's more. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:42.360 Of a story there. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.200 But I think it was evolving more than just you know, 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.200 Drnes for no reason. We're flying in with people there 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.600 who referred to as the middle of nowhere, and I mean, 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.560 I'm from a place like that, so there's no disrespect there. 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.320 But something was going on. 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.880 I was able to confirm that. On January second, Agent 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:04.360 Bumberger emailed Matthew directly saying that he'd been advised by 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.720 the Yuma County Sheriff's office that the mysterious drones in 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:08.960 question were his. 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:11.199 You want to send me down and say I had 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.240 lives going You want the clearest to understanding. I think 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:16.240 when you get down to it, and that he said, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:21.560 She said, especially federal agencies put me on a polygraph. 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.280 I couldn't verify the majority of what Matthew told me. 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:29.080 It appeared that when the FAA wouldn't allow a polygraph, 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.359 he reached out to different newspapers to claim responsibility for 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:38.320 his drones. If Matthew was breaking any laws, he hadn't 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:43.280 been arrested yet. Was he just screaming for attention behind 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:48.240 the scenes? FAA investigators clearly had an interest in him. 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:54.359 I could tell he wanted to share more. When we 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:58.120 finished visiting, I fired off an email to Ian Gregor 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:01.000 to see if he could arrange a short interview with 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:05.040 Agent Bumberger. In a nutshell. Ian wrote back that he 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:10.639 wouldn't make Bumberger available. I pushed through further correspondence he 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:14.399 shut me down. Since the origin of the sightings was 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.879 a mystery, I thought the FAA would want to provide 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:23.360 as much transparency as possible. I was wrong. I had 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:27.560 to find another way to Bumberger. I re examined the 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:32.119 FAA emails i'd seen online. As I analyzed them again, 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:37.639 I discovered a paragraph i'd previously skimmed over. This was 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:40.840 part of a message sent on New Year's Eve of 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:48.320 twenty nineteen, notating paragraph six. The drones are reported to 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:52.040 have six foot wingspans, and there are several reports that 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:56.240 indicate the drones are operating in coordination with a big 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:00.719 drone that may be stationary in the area. There's also 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:06.000 an unverified report of the larger drone potentially landing and 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:12.520 taking back off from an airport and Imperial, Nebraska. I 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:16.840 closed my eyes and thought back to those first couple nights, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:20.959 I saw the mysterious lights in the sky. It's what 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.160 we like to call God's country out here. You look 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:25.320 into the sky, you see a few stars, but then 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.480 you see all of these blinking lights kind of just 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.560 moving around in irregular patterns. I'm looking at one now 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.720 and it has green and yellow light, and there's one 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.240 with a solid white light on it. It looks bigger 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:41.720 and lower to the ground, and it looks like it's 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.240 stayed in the same area since I pulled up here, 0:19:46.280 --> 0:20:00.439 just kind of hovering, counting at least now one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:13.160 thirteen fourteen. I'd seen the unexplained aircraft. You're the exact 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:17.680 spot the FAA official had written about. Had I missed 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:34.520 a landing coming up on obscure invasion of the drums. 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:40.679 Eat a living beat. I mean they show curiosity, They 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.040 just show different emotions here. You can feel it. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.160 They did not look like anything that I had ever 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:48.080 seen from this planet. 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:52.240 They backed those things up and were started to. 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.600 Come after me as I was coming down the road. 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.679 When it comes to the active missile silos, I assume 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.480 that there's some type of counter drum technology was that 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.080 in place, I. 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.160 Got things to do and it ain't play with drones. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:14.320 We want to hear from you if you have any 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:19.080 information surrounding the events detailed in this podcast or other 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:23.560 obscure stories in rural America we should look into. 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