1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: Previously on OBSCURUM: Invasion of the Drones. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: Colorado has what they call a multi mission aircraft. They 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 2: call it an MMA. 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: They can pinpoint of a. 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 3: Straight cap in the middle of a wildfire somewhere. 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: The man mentioned in the article who's apparently taking responsibility 7 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: for the sightings is this guy named Matthew Spencer. 8 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 4: Everybody's knowing completely around that site, but it doesn't show 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 4: right there at that site. 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 5: Very weird. 11 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: Why do you think the drone showed up when the 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: trash can was let with fire. 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 3: I think it picked up the heat. It was probably 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 3: at least eight feet across. It was intimidating. Didn't know 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 3: anything like that, was it even existed that could hover 16 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 3: like that and then take off at that kind of speed. 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 6: Hong Kong health authorities have activated their most serious response 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 6: level after an outbreak of a new type of viral 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 6: pneumonia in China. 20 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: As the World Health Organization has declared the coronavirus outbreak 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: a public health emergency of International Concern. 22 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 3: New York now confirming its first case. 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: We're deeply concerned both by the alarming levels of spread 24 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: and severity. The WHO has formally declared the coronavirus a 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: global pandemic. When the coronavirus pandemic ramped up in the 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: spring of twenty twenty, I stayed focused, but experienced many setbacks. 27 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: Along with trying to find more about Matthew Spencer and 28 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: if he was tied to the sidings, I didn't cover 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: other things, things that didn't make sense and made me 30 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: fear what technology may be hovering above the prairies. Chapter 31 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: eleven Outskirts of Yuma left here, old fashioned sign, rustic 32 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of text in the window. To help get a 33 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: clearer picture of Matthew's relationship with the Yuma Pioneer, I 34 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: set a time to visit with the newspapers editor, Tony Rail. 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: Walking into the newsroom felt like going back in time. 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: The walls were a bit worn, and there was a 37 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: scent in the air that smelled like an old five 38 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: and dime store. Tony, nice to meet you. How many 39 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: papers do you appront of? Weekend? 40 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: Here? 41 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 5: Oh, are circuations about two thousand. 42 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: Tony's the kind of guy you'd imagine running a small 43 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: town newspaper. He had gray hair glasses, and you could 44 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: tell he loved the news by the way that he talked. 45 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: He walked me to an empty room, then told me 46 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: when he first became aware of the unknown aircraft for sure, it. 47 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 5: Was in December when it started started getting reports about 48 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 5: him things in New Year's Even my kids said they 49 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: thought they saw one too, and drove out in the 50 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 5: country a little ways to kind of follow it. There's 51 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 5: somewhere around. 52 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: That night, when we talked for a couple minutes, I 53 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: moved the conversation to Matthew. 54 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 7: Oh. 55 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 5: He was saying, there were the ones you know that 56 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 5: were doing this stuff. Some of found out more for him, 57 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 5: and they just kind of disappeared and never heard fro 58 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 5: him again. 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: After a while, Tony didn't reveal much. After I left 60 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: the office, I thought I'd chat with a few local 61 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: residents to see if Matthew was a regular in Yuma. 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: No one had seen him. Another name kept getting brought up, 63 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: Tim Colin. It was said that Tim may actually know 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: what was behind a few of the sightings. Tim lived 65 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: in a white, historic looking home on the main drag 66 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: right through town. He was waiting for me on the 67 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: front porch. 68 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 7: I got an old saying, and I take it from Einstein, 69 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 7: the universe is not only stranger than you imagine it's 70 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 7: stranger than you can't imagine. I take that straight to heart. 71 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 7: I'm pushing seventy here, and I've learned a lot. There 72 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 7: no other way to look at it. 73 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: Tim has gray hair and a distinctive voice. It didn't 74 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: take long to realize why folks pointed me in his direction. 75 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 7: The night I was abducted to my wife and I 76 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 7: were coming back from Denner because I had to go 77 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 7: up to see a doctor, coming back from a doctor's 78 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 7: appointment and coming up Highway fifty nine south of Yuma, 79 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 7: about twelve miles south of Yuma at large ufo across 80 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 7: the road in front of it was probably a hundred 81 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 7: foot long, twenty foot wide and ten foot high, and 82 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 7: it crossed over the fence but under the phone lines 83 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 7: across the road. Now it was kind alongside the car 84 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 7: and backed up plenty of yards and put the car 85 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 7: and parking and we're looking at it. One light came 86 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 7: on right above. Now there was two bright lights. Now 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 7: A lot of people asked me what kind of alien 88 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 7: did abducted me? And I don't really know, got no clue. 89 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Tim believed an alien had snatched him on the outskirts 90 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: of Yuma and put some type of chip the size 91 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: of a candalope seed in his arm. 92 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 7: I'd injured my hand working, so I went to the 93 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 7: doctor and got next to Ray and he come back 94 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 7: and he says, do you know you have a piece 95 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 7: of metal in your wrist? And no, And he said, 96 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 7: got any idea where it come from? He had a 97 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 7: student nurse doctor with him, And I said, well, doctor, 98 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 7: finish making your rounds and come back and I give 99 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 7: you some info on where that piece of metal might 100 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 7: have come from, because it was rapidly dawning on me 101 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 7: that it was shouldn't have been there, and it had 102 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 7: been interesting. The implant was put in my body and 103 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 7: it didn't have no port lantry. There was no port 104 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 7: lanty in my body for this thing to be put 105 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 7: in there. I mean there was a built for brise. 106 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: Tim was a character. This was a fascinating story and 107 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: a lot for me to take in. He provided nothing 108 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: new about the drone like craft seen in the region. 109 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: So did you ever find the guy that was mentioned 110 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: in the article that you were looking for? 111 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 8: No. I drove all the way to Yuma and I 112 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 8: talked to the editor of the paper and he said 113 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 8: he talked to that guy about the story, and then 114 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 8: he just disappeared. Everyone kept saying, if you're looking for 115 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 8: information about the drones, you got to talk to this 116 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 8: guy named Tim, and I went over to Tim's house 117 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 8: and he started telling me this story that he was 118 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 8: abducted by an alien. 119 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 9: Creepy, creepy, creepy. 120 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 8: Okay, I got to get on this other call, but anyway, 121 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 8: I'll talk to late mom. 122 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: I look deeper into another theory while trying to find 123 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: more about Matthew Spencer's background, and that was if these 124 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: flying objects could be related to the oil and gas industry. 125 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: Tell me just a little bit about what your company 126 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: does and what the priorities are of your company. 127 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 9: We're a small on min aircraft company that we focus 128 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 9: primarily on the use of onman aircraft systems for scientific applications, 129 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 9: so that can range everything from atmosphere can sense you're 130 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 9: sampling to a remote sensing. 131 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: That's Jack Elston of Blackswift Technologies out of Boulder, Colorado. 132 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: His company not only flies drones for different clients, but 133 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: builds them too. 134 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 9: So we started out focusing on fixed wing on men 135 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 9: aircraft and the reason why we did that is because 136 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 9: of the endurance. They're far more efficient than quad roaders, 137 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 9: and so we can fly for a lot longer with 138 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 9: the same amount of battery, carrying more payload, And the payload, honestly, 139 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 9: is the real reason why these things exist in the 140 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 9: first place. Without a sensor to gather data, you're just 141 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 9: having fun flying something around in the air. So the 142 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 9: payload refers to, you know, anything that we're putting on 143 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 9: board to gather the data that doesn't have to do 144 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 9: with the flight control of the aircraft or actually keeping 145 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 9: the aircraft aloft. 146 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: Is thermal imaging pretty common in your line of work, Yeah. 147 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 9: I'd say it's second only to just regular visual imagery. 148 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 9: Thermal camera can be used again, you were talking about 149 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 9: search and rescue. It makes it a lot easier to 150 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 9: find individuals rather than just trying to look at visual data. 151 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 9: We've also used thermal cameras as well to detect things 152 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 9: like pipelines underneath the ground because you can actually see 153 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 9: their thermal signatures coming to the surface. 154 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: Do people use drones a lot like in oil? In 155 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: oil and gas or pipelines like that. 156 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 9: The oil industry, I know they're doing a lot of 157 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 9: infrastructure inspection, So inspectrum pipes and things like that, stuff 158 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 9: that you normally have to have people climb up on 159 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 9: ladders and kind of deal with the risk of that. 160 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 9: It's much easier to just have the aircraft fly the 161 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 9: camera up there for you. They're also doing things like 162 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 9: looking at methane detection so see if there's any leaks 163 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 9: in the area. 164 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: The mysterious aircraft didn't belong to Jack's company, but I 165 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: thought he could have some ideas as to why they 166 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: might be flying. 167 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 9: Sounds like they were a fixed wing aircraft from based 168 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 9: one of the explanations that I heard, I don't know 169 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 9: exactly what people are doing. I mean, normally I have 170 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 9: to get permission to go do that without permission. The 171 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 9: most plausible thing I heard, though, was that it was 172 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 9: somebody that was conducting experiments as far as figuring out 173 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 9: whether these things could do perimeter surveillance or missile. 174 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: Sites missile sites. When Jack said those words, I had 175 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 1: a flashback to high school. On the way to a 176 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: football game, I remember somebody pointing out an area on 177 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: the side of the road where a bomb was buried 178 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: in the ground. Weeks rolled by with few developments. Eventually, 179 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: a new piece of information emerged Douglas Johnson, volunteer researcher 180 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: affiliated with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies, a group 181 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: that analyzes unidentified aerospace phenomena, obtained a trove of internal 182 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: FAA emails. They were published online and provided a glimpse 183 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: into how the FAA was approaching the unidentified drone mystery. 184 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: Looking to verify the authenticity of the messages, I noticed 185 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,239 Speaker 1: a couple interesting notes in the endless pages of text. 186 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: One of them was dated January second, twenty twenty, and 187 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: written by Special Agent Michael Bumberger of the FAA's Law 188 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 1: Enforcement Assistance Program. Michael Bumberger, who I refer to as 189 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: Agent Bumberger, wrote that he was chasing a lead about 190 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: someone who may be behind the sightings. In the email, 191 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: he insinuated that he wanted the FBI to visit this person. 192 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Chapter twelve The hunt. Was the FAA is zeroing in 193 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: on Matthew Spencer or was he even real? I contemplated 194 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: that question many times. I was beginning to wonder if 195 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: he was just a joke drummed up over a poker 196 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: game by some drunk at the bar. Then everything changed. 197 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: Through a series of recurring visits to a couple people 198 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: who didn't want to be recorded. I was able to 199 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 1: figure out that Matthew Spencer did in fact exist. I 200 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: finally believed that I knew how to approach him. The 201 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: conversation started with a DM to a random Twitter account. 202 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: There wasn't a person's name linked to it and very 203 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: few details In the bio. I wrote, I'm a journalist 204 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 1: based in la I'm originally from the area. I'd like 205 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: to chat with you about the mystery aircraft. Interested in 206 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: learning more. I received a long and detailed reply. The 207 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: words were jumbled and confusing at times. The writing style 208 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: was similar to the article in the Yuma Pioneer. I 209 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: was ninety percent sure I was messaging with Matthew. I've 210 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: never seen this guy's face before. He told me he's 211 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: wearing Gene Schortz, I believe, a T shirt and a 212 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: ball cat. I persuaded Matthew to talk with me in person. 213 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: After many hours of driving through Kansas, I slowly pulled 214 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: up to a location. He chose, the Old Cowtown Museum 215 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: in Wichita. It's a western town that resembled the city 216 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: in the late eighteen hundreds. He was waiting in the 217 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: gift shop. He had a stocky build with a black hat, 218 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: car go shorts and glasses on. We set a brief hello, 219 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: then began walking through the town's dirt road streets. We 220 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: turned past the blacksmith shop, then grabbed a couple of 221 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: saasparillas from the saloon. We sat down at some picnic tables. 222 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:17,959 Speaker 1: You're an old town square. 223 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: All right, So first go ahead and tell me your name. 224 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's Matthew Spencer. 225 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 2: And what is it exactly that your group does. 226 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,480 Speaker 6: Basically, when you start forming together and you're picking up people, 227 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 6: and you're picking up you know, property, and you're doing 228 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 6: different things. We decided to form a group. You know, 229 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 6: in a group you're not gonna find on the Internet 230 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 6: or a website per se. But what we want to 231 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 6: do in the trick and we want to do is 232 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 6: essentially the identifying mark of who we are. 233 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: The tracking we want to do is an identifying mark 234 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: of who we are. Surely I didn't drive all the 235 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: way to Kansas for a vague recon sponsores like that. 236 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: I asked Matthew to clarify, so we. 237 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 6: Caught some attention. When you get into what you're referred 238 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 6: to as the Colorado Drawn Mystery, naturally, but it's about 239 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 6: a decade of work. And essentially what we're doing is 240 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 6: we track high value aerospace targets, so to break down 241 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 6: into the business world. But our many focus is to 242 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 6: go after the UAPs that are within the news right now. 243 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: I thought back to a few stories I'd seen about UAPs. 244 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 3: Oh, queen of them. 245 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 4: Look on the Afah going against the wain. 246 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 8: They went one. 247 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: Hundred, went out of the class. While the mission of 248 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: Matthew's group was unusual, I wanted to get straight to 249 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: the point. It seemed highly unlikely that one man or 250 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: team could operate large numbers of drones in multiple locations 251 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: hundreds of miles apart at the same time. 252 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: How many drones were you using, like five, ten, fifteen, twenty. 253 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 6: So the groups of drones, let's say ten to twenty five? No, 254 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 6: not at the same time. Yeah, do we have a fleet? 255 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 6: Of course? Was it you know, twenty five the night 256 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 6: sky looking any windows? 257 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: No? Well, I pressed Matthew on the characteristics of his 258 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: drones and if he was actually flying them at night. 259 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: I didn't get much information. 260 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: So what type of process do you use and do 261 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 2: with those drones? 262 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 7: Yeah? 263 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 6: I wouldn't say there's an exact method, But the idea 264 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 6: is that you have to get in the air one 265 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 6: way or another with your devices and with your tools, 266 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 6: and then essentially, based on that data, your picking at 267 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 6: your next location. 268 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: Matthew avoided the question, and I was losing my patients. 269 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: Do you know who is responsible for the drones in Colorado? 270 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 6: You have to get down to the basis. Were there 271 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 6: other drones there besides mine? Yeah, without a doubt. Can 272 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 6: I tell you who they were? 273 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: No, Matthew was adamant that the small number of his drones, 274 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: along with others, were flying in the night sky. 275 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 6: You know what I do when I'm tracking, or when 276 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 6: anybody's tracking, what do you do? You're flying a grid. 277 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 6: That's just how it works. And so you hear all 278 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 6: the reports coming out, Well, they're flying in a grid. 279 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 6: Kind of makes me think that you know, you got 280 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 6: you know, I don't want to stay fool because I 281 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 6: wasn't trying to fool anybody, But you've seen something in 282 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 6: your brain kind of figured out the rest. Was there 283 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 6: drones in the area, Definitely, But anytime you have drones 284 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 6: in the area, there's always a why. So who's gonna 285 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 6: be right on the why? And it's always the facts 286 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 6: and the burden of proofs on you, and I think 287 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 6: there's more. 288 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 5: Of a story there. 289 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 6: But I think it was evolving more than just you know, 290 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 6: Drnes for no reason. We're flying in with people there 291 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 6: who referred to as the middle of nowhere, and I mean, 292 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 6: I'm from a place like that, so there's no disrespect there. 293 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 6: But something was going on. 294 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: I was able to confirm that. On January second, Agent 295 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:04,360 Speaker 1: Bumberger emailed Matthew directly saying that he'd been advised by 296 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: the Yuma County Sheriff's office that the mysterious drones in 297 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: question were his. 298 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 6: You want to send me down and say I had 299 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 6: lives going You want the clearest to understanding. I think 300 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 6: when you get down to it, and that he said, 301 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 6: She said, especially federal agencies put me on a polygraph. 302 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: I couldn't verify the majority of what Matthew told me. 303 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: It appeared that when the FAA wouldn't allow a polygraph, 304 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: he reached out to different newspapers to claim responsibility for 305 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: his drones. If Matthew was breaking any laws, he hadn't 306 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: been arrested yet. Was he just screaming for attention behind 307 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: the scenes? FAA investigators clearly had an interest in him. 308 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: I could tell he wanted to share more. When we 309 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: finished visiting, I fired off an email to Ian Gregor 310 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: to see if he could arrange a short interview with 311 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: Agent Bumberger. In a nutshell. Ian wrote back that he 312 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: wouldn't make Bumberger available. I pushed through further correspondence he 313 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: shut me down. Since the origin of the sightings was 314 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: a mystery, I thought the FAA would want to provide 315 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: as much transparency as possible. I was wrong. I had 316 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: to find another way to Bumberger. I re examined the 317 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: FAA emails i'd seen online. As I analyzed them again, 318 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: I discovered a paragraph i'd previously skimmed over. This was 319 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: part of a message sent on New Year's Eve of 320 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, notating paragraph six. The drones are reported to 321 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: have six foot wingspans, and there are several reports that 322 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: indicate the drones are operating in coordination with a big 323 00:18:56,320 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: drone that may be stationary in the area. There's also 324 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: an unverified report of the larger drone potentially landing and 325 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: taking back off from an airport and Imperial, Nebraska. I 326 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: closed my eyes and thought back to those first couple nights, 327 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 1: I saw the mysterious lights in the sky. It's what 328 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: we like to call God's country out here. You look 329 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: into the sky, you see a few stars, but then 330 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: you see all of these blinking lights kind of just 331 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: moving around in irregular patterns. I'm looking at one now 332 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,720 Speaker 1: and it has green and yellow light, and there's one 333 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: with a solid white light on it. It looks bigger 334 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: and lower to the ground, and it looks like it's 335 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: stayed in the same area since I pulled up here, 336 00:19:46,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: just kind of hovering, counting at least now one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, 337 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen. I'd seen the unexplained aircraft. You're the exact 338 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: spot the FAA official had written about. Had I missed 339 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: a landing coming up on obscure invasion of the drums. 340 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 4: Eat a living beat. I mean they show curiosity, They 341 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 4: just show different emotions here. You can feel it. 342 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: They did not look like anything that I had ever 343 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: seen from this planet. 344 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 8: They backed those things up and were started to. 345 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 4: Come after me as I was coming down the road. 346 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,679 Speaker 1: When it comes to the active missile silos, I assume 347 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: that there's some type of counter drum technology was that 348 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: in place, I. 349 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 7: Got things to do and it ain't play with drones. 350 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: We want to hear from you if you have any 351 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: information surrounding the events detailed in this podcast or other 352 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: obscure stories in rural America we should look into. 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