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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of iHeartRadio. Hello everyone,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to Too Much Information, the show that brings

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Speaker 1: you the secret stories and little known facts behind your

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Speaker 1: favorite movies, music, TV shows, and more. We are your

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Speaker 1: high maintenance host of hilarious histories, your platonic pals of

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Speaker 1: pop culture particulars, your favorite sweet and salty duo just

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Speaker 1: I should have read this close. That's not what the

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Speaker 1: comments say. Nope, Well, today we are along. We are

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Speaker 1: talking about a movie that is near and dear to

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Speaker 1: me as a guy who spent the better part of

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Speaker 1: his life residing in the friend zone just hoping that

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Speaker 1: she would notice me. Oh, this is a movie that

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Speaker 1: talking about When Harry Matt Sally, which turns thirty five

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Speaker 1: this year. This is a movie that examines the complexities

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Speaker 1: of love and relationships, or at least a specific kind

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Speaker 1: of relationship. Rich white cisgender city dwellers during an economic

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Speaker 1: boom time, the likes of which we will never see again.

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Speaker 1: But still good, still good. It follows the ups and

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Speaker 1: downs of Harry Burns and Sally Albright's relationship as they

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Speaker 1: navigate their individual romantic endeavors and personal growth over the

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Speaker 1: course of twelve years. Yes, some of the points are

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Speaker 1: a little cliche these days, and there are parts that

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Speaker 1: maybe didn't age very well, but it is beloved nonetheless

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Speaker 1: because it gave a semi realistic portrayal of modern relationships,

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Speaker 1: and also, more importantly, offered perhaps the most famous depiction

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Speaker 1: took down Bobby Riggs on the tennis court. The movie's

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Speaker 1: iconic line men and women can't be friends because the

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Speaker 1: sex part always gets in the way is still debated

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Speaker 1: to this day. Yet the film screenwriter, the legendary Nora Ephron,

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Speaker 1: didn't see that as the focal point of the movie.

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Speaker 1: She said in two thousand and eight, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that the movie's about friendship at all. I think the

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Speaker 1: movie is about men and women and how they see everything,

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Speaker 1: including friendship and sex, from completely different vantage points. Now,

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Speaker 1: Higel and I can't be trusted to have a nuanced

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Speaker 1: discussion about relationships. So today we are thrilled to announce

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Speaker 1: guests we have guests. We've tidied the place up, we

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Speaker 1: have podcasting Royalty, Brooks, Siffren and Reese, just Kid Moore,

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Speaker 1: Williams of Wonders, Even the Rich, one of the most

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Speaker 1: endlessly addictive biography podcasts on the Internet. Their recent season

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Speaker 1: on Prince Harry was directly responsible for getting me back

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Speaker 1: into the Crown, So thank you for that and all

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Speaker 1: the hours that I lost not doing come back to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm just gonna hit up Netflix. I was just

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Speaker 3: listening to about them on the radio. There was like

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Speaker 3: and I was like, how are they doing so well?

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Speaker 3: When we all agreed we weren't gonna get subscriptions after

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Speaker 1: I think everybody caved. That's my guess is that everybody's

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Speaker 3: And I just click on traveling.

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Speaker 4: even gotten a pop up or anything. So I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's happening, but I'm using mine. Well,

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Speaker 4: that's what we have it at this place and this

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Speaker 4: under the radar, you know, So don't say anything about it.

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Speaker 1: But it's more than just a royal family. You have

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Speaker 1: epic dynastic family scandals, including the Kennedy's chap Equitic incident,

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Speaker 1: who we just talked about in the Studio fifty four

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Speaker 1: Oh there you go. Oh you just launched a spinoff series,

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Speaker 1: Even the Royals, which again is a must for any

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Speaker 1: Crown devotees. But you also wrapped a season of Even

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Speaker 1: the Rich with Snoop Dog and Martha Stewart, which I

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Speaker 1: did not see coming. How did you land the on that?

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Speaker 3: We never see anything coming and we just show it. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I was like, oh, okay, this is fun. Like,

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Speaker 4: I mean, who doesn't love Snoop and Martha and their friendship,

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Speaker 1: How I actually, my my first job was at VH

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Speaker 3: I think he was just on her show. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: they just had really really good chemistry. Yeah, and they're like,

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Speaker 3: we don't have enough money, each of us on our own.

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Speaker 2: I respect I respect Snoop for literally endorsing anything like

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Speaker 1: He just stamps his name on it and collects the check.

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Speaker 1: And I like that.

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Speaker 2: So I have to think they bonded over like a

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Speaker 2: mutual right, this is going to work? Yeah, you have

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Speaker 2: a towel line. I have a weed line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You know that was the most surprising or endearing

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Speaker 4: Well, I love I don't know if we learned this

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Speaker 4: during the season, but like, my favorite thing about them,

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Speaker 4: Your favorite story I've heard is during the roast, whatever

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Speaker 4: roast they were, You're right, yeah, and she like got

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Speaker 4: Stewart being high, you know, it's just like.

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Speaker 3: Classic She's so I don't know if you guys, like,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what your social media is like, but

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Speaker 3: like common spy CELB will periodically post. It's like this

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Speaker 3: Instagram account where they like post like when comments on things,

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Speaker 3: bunch of libras, which I'm a libra, so I loved it,

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Speaker 3: and Martha was like, don't forget the leos. We're pretty

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Speaker 3: cool too. But it's just like their friendship is so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't feel stage managed in a way than

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Speaker 1: Like I actually can't.

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Speaker 2: I like the idea that you know, I used to

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Speaker 2: So we've been in that world. But yeah, I can't

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Speaker 2: imagine like a publicist running either of their instagrams and

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Speaker 2: great Those publicists deserve raises.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right.

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Speaker 4: I also feel like you get to a point in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so established off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Michael does our friendship field stage managed?

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Speaker 1: It feels podcast managed.

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Speaker 2: That means I don't know. That was just a quip.

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Speaker 2: I didn't have anything behind that, just.

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Speaker 1: Like our relationship. Oh, I was afraid of a junior

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Speaker 1: wolf couple bickering a dinner party. I'm sorry, I didn't

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Speaker 1: Not in front of it, not in front of the guests.

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Speaker 1: I need some help with the potatoes now.

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Speaker 4: I think you guys seem very authentic in your friendship.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I assume you guys also have weekly sleepovers like we do, know.

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Speaker 3: There's cameras, there's loom.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, that would be such a terrible sleep. We

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Speaker 1: like the Bucket family, like head to foot in beds,

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Speaker 4: Until you guys like Charlie, we walk up factory the grandparents.

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Speaker 1: Well, Brooke, I've been told that you are not a

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Speaker 1: big fan of When Harry Met Sally, and as somebody

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Speaker 1: But my favorite episodes are the ones where I'm torturing

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts and when Harry met Sally or

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Speaker 1: what's your beef with when Harry met Sally?

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for asking, Jordan.

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Speaker 4: I Okay, as a rom common general, it's fine, But

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Speaker 3: One of the important parts.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because I just rewatched it, and it's funny because,

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Speaker 2: I mean like there's a part, you know, like the

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Speaker 2: Like on on I forget what he even is like

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Speaker 1: He's like on the lyrics. Oh yeah, yeah, well he's

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Speaker 2: it's kind of like I think it's a real descendant

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Speaker 2: of like the Groucho Marx movies, where the whole thing

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Speaker 1: Williams. Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very Robin.

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Speaker 2: And then like yeah, I don't know, I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: it's funny because like watching it, I'm like, oh, I

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Speaker 2: Billy Crystal, but like still throughout the movie, there's so

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Speaker 2: many things to dislike about him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, well we'll get to that. About you, where

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Speaker 1: do you fall in this movie?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is what's crazy. I'm like, well known as

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Speaker 3: a romcom officionado. I love rom coms more than several

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Speaker 3: articles about her. Yeah, but I had never seen this movie.

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Speaker 3: I knew about it, but I never watched it. So

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Speaker 3: I watched it for this. I don't like it, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's okay. I think we got some

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Speaker 3: iconic lines that I'd already known about obviously, but I,

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Speaker 3: you know, echoing what Brook said, I didn't. I didn't

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Speaker 3: feel like chemistry. Billy Crystal. I love him. I don't

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Speaker 3: think he's rom com lead material. I think he was.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite movies that he's in is America's Sweethearts.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God. And I think.

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Speaker 1: By the mid eighties, Reiner was floundering and single theom

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Speaker 1: something here. So I went to Nora and I told

436
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Speaker 1: her about it, and she said, I like that idea,

437
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: and she started interviewing me. She was like a reporter,

438
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: and I told her all these stories of different things

439
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: I'd been through, and from these stories she crafted the

440
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,119
Speaker 1: character of Harry Burns. And she would later say in

441
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Speaker 1: a DVD featurette for the twentieth anniversary of the movie,

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Speaker 1: he's basically Rob Ryaner. He's neurotic and in love with

443
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Speaker 1: his neuroses. Who among us is not in love with

444
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 1: their neurosis?

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00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you got to be you know, you got

446
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Speaker 4: to tolerate yourself somehow.

447
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, that's a very generous read on that. I

448
00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: want to write that one down therapy. Yeah, I'm like, okay.

449
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: Many of the lines from the movie came directly from

450
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Speaker 1: their conversations. Ryaner like Harry had a tendency to overshare,

451
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: and Ephron like Sally call him out on that, telling him,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, you don't have to tell everybody everything that's

453
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Speaker 1: going on the moment it's going on. Uh okay. We

454
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Speaker 1: sort of talked about this top of the episode. Do

455
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Speaker 1: we think Harry is a likable character.

456
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Speaker 4: I think he has likable some likable qualities. Yeah, you know,

457
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Speaker 4: I think he doesn't start off great, you know, but

458
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Speaker 4: I think that's also kind of I think his arc

459
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Speaker 4: as the years go on. You know, he's like this

460
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Speaker 4: young kid who's like driving a college girl. It's like,

461
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Speaker 4: you know, he's kind of a pain in the ass,

462
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Speaker 4: but then he starts to get more likable. I think

463
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Speaker 4: as time goes on, as he grows up.

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what about Rob.

465
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Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about Rob Reiner.

466
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Speaker 1: I've realized he looks like.

467
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Speaker 2: David Crosby when he was young, and he yeah yeah,

468
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: and he made you know, a lot of good movies.

469
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: And more importantly for Jordan, who's like a big sitcom guy,

470
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 2: he was in All in the Family first.

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Speaker 1: So okay, beathead, Yeah, I love this. One of Nora

472
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Speaker 1: Efron's slightly more endearing qualities that she commandeered for Sally

473
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Speaker 1: was I guess she was a very uh particular eater,

474
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Speaker 1: i'll say by her witnessed her ordering food in a

475
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: very precise way, and they decided to add it to

476
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Speaker 1: the script, and Laura even incorporated her own defensive line,

477
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Speaker 1: I just like it the way I like it, which fine, fair, Yeah.

478
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Speaker 3: I gotta say, as having worked in the industry before

479
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Speaker 3: the hospitality industry, it makes you want to strangle her

480
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: like I was just about your house. Okay, come fine.

481
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Speaker 2: That's the dividing line too, because I was just about

482
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Speaker 2: to ask Jordan, like, have you worked were you front

483
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Speaker 2: of house or back of house?

484
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Speaker 1: About I was? I was a dishwasher, which I don't

485
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Speaker 1: know where that puts me in the what was that?

486
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Speaker 1: What was that face?

487
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 2: No, I've said, you've done your time, but you're not

488
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 2: involved in this conversation.

489
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, okay, look, and I don't want to like,

490
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Speaker 3: I'm not coming for people that are like, oh, like

491
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Speaker 3: I have a gluten allergy or like I don't eat cheese,

492
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Speaker 3: and like is it possible to like get a side

493
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: salad instead of fries? But like when you're like I

494
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 3: want it at this temperature and I want that, and

495
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 3: it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not

496
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Speaker 3: You're not the queen, like you're I'm making minimum wage.

497
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Speaker 3: Go make it at home.

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Speaker 2: I did not love it, especially in like a roadside diner,

499
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Speaker 2: like where are they in that first stop?

500
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Speaker 4: Like, come on, so Alex and Risha, how are your

501
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 4: tips really you and your dumb ass order?

502
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Speaker 3: No, you could complain about it. You'll do it, but

503
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:48,400
Speaker 3: you could complain.

504
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: I was a line cook, so I was I was

506
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Speaker 2: allowed to curse them out when the order came through

507
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: the line, to the front of house person when they

508
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Speaker 2: came back in the kitchen, but they had to go

509
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Speaker 2: out and smile.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't. Uh.

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Speaker 2: In the Hershey country club actually, and in Delhi when

512
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Speaker 2: I was in college, oh my god, I.

513
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Speaker 3: Worked in a country club too. I was a country

514
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 3: club very.

515
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Speaker 1: Solidarity short amount of time.

516
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was rough. That's where you get a lot

517
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: of requests and it's like, just because you're paying twenty

518
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Speaker 3: five thousand dollars a year, I will cut you. Jesus

519
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: who knows what it is now it's obscene just to

520
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 3: play Goblin way more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, whatever, I think I would. I would forgive Nora

522
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Speaker 1: Efron for doing that, though, I mean when you have her,

523
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: forgive Nora Efron for anything, you know. Apparently she was

524
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Speaker 1: on a plane once and she ordered something in a

525
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 1: really particular way, and I guess the person taking an

526
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Speaker 1: order didn't recognize hers. Have you ever seen the movie

527
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Speaker 1: when Harry met Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: God, remember I used to eat on planes.

529
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Speaker 3: I didn't want a plane in Love to London.

530
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Speaker 4: It was delightful, but like just general flights used to

531
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Speaker 4: have food, right, like just random flights, Like you didn't

532
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Speaker 4: have to be in first class, you didn't have to

533
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Speaker 4: be flying overseas.

534
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: Now you just get peanuts if you're lucky.

535
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Speaker 4: I know, it's like we used to do whatever we wanted.

536
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Speaker 1: The only thing I eat on flights are edibles in adavan.

537
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's I'm so scared to get higher to

538
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 3: be a first class for that. I'm like, it's worried

539
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: my brain will just explode. It won't be able to

540
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: process that, yep. And I'm like, I can't. I'm already

541
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: neurotic enough on the ground.

542
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's preferable.

543
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: I'll be the next viral plane video of like going

544
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 3: instde and I.

545
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Speaker 1: Don't need that, trust fingers, I don't need that.

546
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 3: No, uncross your fingers.

547
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: Podcaster goes on lizard person rant.

548
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to get in the new Sumhow this

549
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 4: is it.

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Speaker 1: The more nervous I am, the more I feel like

551
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: I need to be like one hundred and ten percent

552
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: on as opposed to doing what I probably should do

553
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: is just have something to take the edge off, because

554
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: like if I'm not on, then it'll get me. Yeah

555
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: you know yeah, as if that would be able to

556
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Speaker 1: be helpful, that's fair six miles.

557
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Speaker 4: Up, especially at a higher elevation, like you're gonna feel

558
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 4: more high, So it's exactly fair.

559
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 3: Like getting like I said, and like a mimosa. I'm like,

560
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: I had one mosa and I was like, oh, it

561
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: was like I can't, I can't.

562
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 4: Be You're like whatever, a something happens and I have

563
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 4: to fly the plane.

564
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never drunk fly a plane. That's a rookie mistake.

565
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: And I could take it, couldn't. I could totally.

566
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: Feel plane trauma.

567
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, think of the genius play you could write stoned

568
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 4: out of your mind on a flight though.

569
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually flown a plane, so I like flown.

570
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 3: So my dad was like a small plane planot small

571
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 3: plane pilot. That's impossible to say small plane pilot. And

572
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 3: I got a group of like years later and like

573
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 3: where you like you like tandem fly with like somebody.

574
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: So I'm like flying a plane and then the pilot's

575
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: like behind me. I was like, I don't. I would

576
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 3: rather fly a commercial jet. So I'm gonna see if

577
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 3: Southwest puts up one of those groupons and I can

578
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: do it for them.

579
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you.

580
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 2: Get thoughts like as you're passing over anything in particular,

581
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 2: like this is my moment?

582
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: Weirdly, it wasn't. It was more an interest of thought

583
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 3: of like this could be the end of us. All

584
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: that got my hands. But that was just like I

585
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: can't wait to be back in the crowd. And I

586
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: don't mind flying. I actually enjoy flying. But in the

587
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 3: small plane where you feel everything. I was like, I

588
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 3: can't believe my dad willingly did this for fun? Yeah,

589
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: can you do well?

590
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 4: Also, person, do you have to be to agree to

591
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: be the pilot in that situation? Like, yeah, I'll hand

592
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 4: them this money hungry idiot who got a group on

593
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 4: and see if they.

594
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Speaker 1: Don't kill ups?

595
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 3: Whoa Yeah, there was no like background check? What if?

596
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: I was like some cycle. I'm just thinking about this.

597
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: What I was like against that pilot? Yes, yeah, which

598
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: honestly panic button that just like cuts off control of

599
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: the yoke or something.

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00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like when you get like a sun drive.

601
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, stunt gun. It was just like enough of this.

602
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 3: And we all go down to counter.

603
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: You probably signed it away in the group on at

604
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: this point. I mean, I just don't trust on any

605
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: of those things.

606
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a time.

607
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: This is a very Harry Burns thought. Here is Harry

608
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: Burns has he has He has a dark side. He

609
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: talks about his dark side. I think about death for hours.

610
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly.

611
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, poor Jordan having to steer this conversation back on track.

612
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 4: I feel we should.

613
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: See how wild we can get as even and final

614
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: way to bring it back challenge accepted.

615
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: That is my goal every episode that is, Yeah, sometimes

616
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: I just see what's in the news.

617
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: Well. An ingenious device that Efron uses in this movie

618
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: are the talking head segments with older couples sharing how

619
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 1: they met, which I thought was a cute touch. And

620
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: these scenes were taken pretty much verbatim from interviews that

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Speaker 1: she'd done with real life couples who were the film's

622
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: production company. And I love how at the very end

623
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Speaker 1: of the movie Harry and Sally have their talking moments.

624
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: Is just one of the many brilliant improvised performances by

625
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan and really Crystal, which we'll talk about later.

626
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Speaker 2: I do have to say that one couple where they're

627
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: just talking over each other, I was like gritting my

628
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: teeth through that because it's like, really, yeah, I don't

629
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: find that so cute.

630
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 3: It felt like a trope, like a felt like it

631
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: felt like what you would expect of like a very

632
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: old couple. For some reason, I felt like they were

633
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: in New York City, they've lived there in like Brooklyn

634
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: for fifty years or something. Just felt very much like

635
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: I've seen this these two characters before.

636
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: They should have had. Marty Scorsese's mom, well, my grandparents

637
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: were hearing impaired, and so they would have like conversations

638
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: that were like parallel. They each thought they were having

639
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: a conversation that wasn't actually occurring, and so I think

640
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: I was That's kind of how I saw it.

641
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 4: That's like having a conversation at a club with someone

642
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 4: you just met.

643
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: You can't hear each other.

644
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: You're just like, yeah, that was me today with that

645
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: woman at the pool, at the in the locker room.

646
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: Who this is so unnecessary to bring up on this podcast.

647
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 4: Bring I was telling you go around from this. Someone

648
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: stuck a finger and Reash's butt.

649
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, bring it back. Yeah, this old woman Jordan a

650
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: few weeks ago, she like put her finger in my

651
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 3: She was trying to point out a tear in my

652
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: bathing suit. And she's an older woman. But I had

653
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: a new bathing suit on and I was like, yeah,

654
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: I've got a new bathing suit on. And I was

655
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Speaker 3: having this conversation. She's like, Oh, I don't have my

656
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: hearing aids and I can't hear anything you're saying. I

657
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: was like, you could have said that five minutes ago.

658
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 3: I could be swimming right now knowing you're not listening

659
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: to anything I'm saying. Yeah, that was anyway worse bringing

660
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 3: that back. Yeah, that was the worst part.

661
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: She's very oh yeah, actually does that.

662
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 3: She's also the one that she was like the first

663
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: time I like interacted with her. Of course she's fully naked.

664
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: This is the locker room at the y and she's

665
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: telling me how I don't hate saying this word. She's like,

666
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: she's like, when you get older, you're a pussy. Just

667
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 3: drops and I unsolicited content like I did not doctor,

668
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: I did not ask her about it.

669
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Equations.

670
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: I don't even know her name yet.

671
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so had you seen them before? Like it was

672
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: this first time.

673
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: I've seen her in like the ether because there's a

674
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 3: there's an aerobics class before I have my I do

675
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: my swimming, so all these older women come in as

676
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: I'm like changing and going out into the pool. So

677
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: it's like I see her through that, but I wouldn't

678
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 3: pick her out of a lineup. I could now, but

679
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 3: before I couldn't.

680
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 2: Now which part of her her finger that was up

681
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: my butt commercial break break. It's good to know that

682
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: that that that weird trope of like of people like

683
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: old people getting that up in your in the locker

684
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: room transcends gender.

685
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: Too, because yeah, oh yeh, that's never happened to me. Well,

686
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: I've been saying up for a long time. Not the

687
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: first people to tell me to spend more time, not

688
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: for them in.

689
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 3: The locker room.

690
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really just the locker room. That's what we're here.

691
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: I change in the bathroom stall like like a normal

692
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: but the repressed New England boy.

693
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: I am see, I don't I am such a la

694
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: would I literally like, when I get out of the pool,

695
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: I take off my babysuit and I just walk neck

696
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: it all over the locker room. I'm like everyone else

697
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: is doing it, was shouldn't I? And it's great.

698
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: I love it, But I also Catholic.

699
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna jump off a bridge. How are they

700
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,479
Speaker 3: going to get to the bridge?

701
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: Well, assuming lessons will come in handy.

702
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 3: There aren't allowed to drive, so many of them talk

703
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: about they can't.

704
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Drive, which why is this?

705
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: It's in North Hollywood. It's I go in the middle

706
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 3: of the day, which okay, Yeah, I liked it, so

707
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: that's like, and I love it. I love being around

708
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 3: older people. Actually, it's just a nice vibe and it's

709
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 3: like nice and break from all the idiots here at

710
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: all you would. Oh, that's gonna get me canceled. I

711
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 3: love Hollywood.

712
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: Wait let me see, wait, wait, let me see if

713
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: I can, let me see if I can save this.

714
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: Speaking of non idiots.

715
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: I love it.

716
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: And that's what we call.

717
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: Talk about the amazing life and work of the legendary

718
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 2: Nora Ephron.

719
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: How did I do? Jordan's I do? Okay, that's short

720
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 1: on time. Okay, okay, okay.

721
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: She had literary and cinematic greatness in her blood. She

722
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 2: was born to parents, Henry and Phoebe Ephron, who wrote

723
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: and produced movies like There's No Business Like Show Business,

724
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: starring Marilyn Monroe, the film adaptation of Roger and Hammerstein's Carousel,

725
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 2: among many others. They named their daughter Nora after the

726
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: protagonist in Heinrich Ibsen's A Doll's House, which is kind

727
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: of a weird thing to do for your daughter, and,

728
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 2: as Jordan is contractually obligated to add at all times,

729
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: was the original working title of the Beatles White Album,

730
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: because it gets shoehorned into every single.

731
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: I gotta have a Beatles fact. Yeah, I love it,

732
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: I love it, I love it.

733
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 4: I'm a big Beatles fan.

734
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 3: Beatles and I do.

735
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: Yeah you ever heard no, where are you at on?

736
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 4: Chris Evans?

737
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: Okay, this is really strange. His dad is my dad,

738
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: his neighbor. His dad is in Massachusetts.

739
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: Wow, are you break up a marriage?

740
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: Didn't they?

741
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

742
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: They just got married.

743
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's time for you to step up, Jordan,

744
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: go home and visit your dad, dad, and just be like,

745
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 3: you know, your son needs to be in love for real.

746
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: And I know just the person she swims. She's a podcaster,

747
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 3: and she's a podcaster.

748
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: It's on a lake.

749
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 4: She's got holes in her bathing suit. Crazy for a

750
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: new one? Okay, yeahs.

751
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: Oh no, Yeah, speaking.

752
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: Of easy access.

753
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: Page, everyone worked at JFK's White House as an ooh

754
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: that has an unintended double meaning. Now I feel really

755
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 2: bad for nothing happened between her and JFK.

756
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: I assume she.

757
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: Applied to work at Newsweek in nineteen sixty two to

758
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: get started on her writing career, and and the folks

759
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: at Newsweek only offered her a job in the mailroom

760
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: because it was nineteen sixty two out of national media publication.

761
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: Not much has changed, I assume As a result, nor

762
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: Efron joined a class action lawsuit against the magazine suing

763
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 2: them for gender discrimination. This was eventually adopted into the

764
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 2: Amazon series Good Girl's Revolt. Efron later took a job

765
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: as a reporter at the New York Post, actually one

766
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: of my former employers, where she broke the news that

767
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,919
Speaker 2: Bob Dylan had gotten married in nineteen sixty six, and

768
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: the reporting bit has further legs. In nineteen seventy six,

769
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: she married Carl Bernstein of Woodward and Bernstein. Yeah, all

770
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: the President's men, et cetera, nineteen seventies belt Way and

771
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: so forth. Nixon, Attica, Attica, It ended poorly.

772
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: He cheated on.

773
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: Her, oh, while she was was pregnant with their second son.

774
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 2: And who did he cheat on her? Cheat on her with?

775
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: You might ask, the daughter of then Britain Prime Minister

776
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,720
Speaker 2: James Callahan. That'sn't even the rich esque story.

777
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 3: A brand hed a British girl with an accent, just qualifying.

778
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: Did she have an accent? I don't know.

779
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: Is a prime minister she might have been.

780
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 2: She might have been born here, maybe Jordan, talk about

781
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: accents for a while, talk about so it gets better

782
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: or worse, depending on how much of a fiend for

783
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: drama you are. We're quoting directly from Wikipedia here. For

784
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: many years, Nora Efrom was one of the very few

785
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 2: people who knew the identity of Deep Throat, the anonymous informer.

786
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 2: For articles written by her ex husband Carl Bernstein and

787
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Bob Woodward uncovering the Watergate scandal, Efron read Bernstein's notes,

788
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: which referred to deep Throat as MF. Bernstein said it

789
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: stood for my friend, which it sure doesn't mean on

790
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: Twitter anymore, but Efron correctly guessed it stood for Mark Feldt,

791
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: the former Associate director of the FBI. After Ephron's marriage

792
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: with Bernstein ended, she would then go on to reveal

793
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: the identity of Deep Throat, not only to her son, Jacob,

794
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: but to anyone else who asked. She once said, I

795
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 2: would give speeches to five hundred people and someone would say,

796
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: do you know who deep Throat is? And I would

797
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: say it's Mark felt Wow. Clustmates of her son at

798
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: the Dalton School and Vassar werecalling, revealing to numerous people

799
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 2: via his mom the identity of the most famous government

800
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: informer in history. This revelation attracted little media attention, and

801
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: Efron said, no one apart from my son's believed me.

802
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 3: Wow.

803
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: I need someone like Nora to get a job at

804
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 4: Area fifty one.

805
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: And just yeah, you said another of Jordan's fixations. You've

806
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: activated him. He's a sleeper agent.

807
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: Oh, no, sleeper agent.

808
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: I got sent by People magazine to cover the storming

809
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: of Area fifty one, which was and I went to

810
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: like the edge and saw all the like why trucks

811
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: up on the hill and everything. Did you see it was?

812
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: Were there? No?

813
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 4: I got I wish, God, I wish I was not there.

814
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: It was what I wrote, like a thirty five page

815
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: like amazing cultural history of Area fifty one. Yeah, it's

816
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: I think it. Somebody told me it was the longest

817
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: thing that People dot com has ever published.

818
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: And I edited and I cut out so many days

819
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: before the other editor.

820
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: Got to it.

821
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: Still so long?

822
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: Would I pay youl? Yeah? Beer pizza?

823
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: Uh, this is a great PostScript. Though Nora is revenge

824
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: on Karl Bernstein was not yet over his affair inspired

825
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: her to write her novel Heartburn, which was then made

826
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 2: into a nineteen eighty six Mike Nichols film starring Jack

827
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Nicholson and Meryl Streep. In the book, Efron wrote of

828
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: a fictional husband, clearly Bernstein who was quote capable of

829
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: having sex with a Venetian blind and then she wrote

830
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 2: that the character of Thelma, based on the woman who

831
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 2: had the affair with her husband, looked like a giraffe

832
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: with big feet. Bernstein threatened to sue over the movie

833
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: and film, but never did, and Nora spent her Latin

834
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: years as one half of screenwriting's biggest power couple. She

835
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: was married to Goodfellas and Casino writer Nick Poleggi from

836
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven until her death in twenty twelve.

837
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: Wow, she is.

838
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: An inspiration more than I realized. Yeah, I know, I

839
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: this is the kind of that's so petty I aspire to.

840
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh, my god, that could bring down two governments, the

841
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: British government the American government.

842
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, god, I love it. Oh that's so inspiring, Choles.

843
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 3: I gotta get married real quick so I can pull

844
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 3: something like this off.

845
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: My god, Yeah, I love it.

846
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: As you meditate on that, we'll be right back with

847
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: more too much information after these messages.

848
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: Wow.

849
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: Well. Between first conceiving of the When Harry met Sally

850
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: I did with Rob Reiner and turning in the final draft,

851
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Nora Efron spent over four years working on the script

852
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: for when Harry met Sally. While le Fron was You're

853
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: finding the script, ryaner busied himself directing back to back

854
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: classics stand By Me and Princess Bride, which are the

855
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: subject of two equally classic TMI episodes. Stand By Me

856
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: kills Me every time.

857
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: I know stand By Me, I haven't seen it in

858
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 3: a very long time, But Princess by haven't always be

859
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: like I like watch it probably like once a year

860
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: at this point, and it's just such a n The

861
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 3: Sicilian is like my favorite part of the movie. I

862
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,479
Speaker 3: just love it. I quote that all the time.

863
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 2: Is that an amazing quote from I think It's My

864
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 2: Dinner with Andre with where Wallace Sean is. Like when

865
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,320
Speaker 2: I was twenty five, all I used to think about

866
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 2: was art and music. Now I'm thirty five and all

867
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: I think about is money. I look, I'm the green

868
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: ch Action. I don't find stand By Me that I'm

869
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: not really into stand By Me. I don't know to corny.

870
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't part of it, did I wasn't part of

871
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,479
Speaker 1: a cool and kids die?

872
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, get cornier than that.

873
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 4: Yeah that's pretty corny.

874
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: I just I don't know a bunch of.

875
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: Kids in like like golly, gee, golly, g golly, Whillakers

876
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 2: fifty kids like walking down at the fifties.

877
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Hate God, I sure do.

878
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 2: I can't see through the Jordan's thing is fifties. My

879
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: thing is sixties, and to a lesser extent, the seventies.

880
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: So I love them both. Really, your thing is not

881
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: the sixties. My thing is the sixties. Also, you can.

882
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: Both have the sixties as your things.

883
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: I don't you take the first half.

884
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: Just watching those kids roll down the railroad tracks and

885
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 2: singing the Lollipop song just pisses me off.

886
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: Ever, I just with them. It's about the death of innocence. Heigel.

887
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeahless time for that girl.

888
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: Nobody made a movie about mine.

889
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

890
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: I had to write my own and perform in front

891
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: of my school for my crush. Moving on your crush,

892
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: did you did you reserve? Did you?

893
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 3: No?

894
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: No? No, no no no?

895
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: Uh?

896
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: Did you did you reserve the seat for her? And

897
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: she never showed up?

898
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 1: Oh no, she showed up?

899
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: Oh she?

900
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: I didn't perform all right? Sorry, Speaking of well, a

901
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: better piece of writing was When Harry Met Sally. An

902
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: early version of Nora's script was called Scenes from a Friendship,

903
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: which is a riff On mar Burgin seminal scenes from

904
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: a marriage And I think that's a good title because

905
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 1: it reminds me of my favorite Billy Joel song, Scenes

906
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: from an Italian restaurant. Another early title was How They Met.

907
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: Nobody really liked this either. The production team really struggled

908
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: to come up with what they thought was a workable title.

909
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: In fact, they had such a hard time coming up

910
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: with a halfway d his name that Rob Ryder instituted

911
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: a title contest, promising to red the best pitch with

912
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: a case of champagne. Because choices for consideration were just friends, Harry,

913
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: this is Sally. It had to be you, boy meets

914
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: girl playing melancholy baby.

915
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: Wait wait wait, blue Moon playing melancholy baby.

916
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean at least yeah that one just friends? Uh,

917
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 2: And it had to be you or all like Great

918
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: American songbooks, standard song.

919
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: Yeah playing melancholy.

920
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: Blue Moon too early, the dorky rock and roll on

921
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: the boo. That one that's not Americ, great American.

922
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: Son was that? Wait? I didn't hear that? That one?

923
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 3: Right? Well done? Oh that's blank you okay, melancholy baby?

924
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: And I was like, I did not.

925
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: Know that's what men Memmo men right, got it? Yeah? Yeah?

926
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: The Words of Love was another title. Do we have?

927
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: What do we think of these? I assume big, big

928
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: thumbs down for all these.

929
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: I think they should have had a contest to find

930
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 4: some chemistry in this movie. Maybe instead of worrying about

931
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 4: the stupid ass title.

932
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: Got their asses, got them.

933
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: I don't hate it rolling over in her grave right now?

934
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:33,959
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I said what I said. I don't

935
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 4: hate it had to be you. I think that's a

936
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 4: fine title, but there's there's not enough. There's not enough

937
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 4: love and romance in this movie for that title. I

938
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: don't think.

939
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of casting, yes, okay, so damn alex is on it.

940
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: Chemistry and fire, thank you. One of the top picks

941
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: to play Harry initially was America's Sweetheart Tom Hanks, and

942
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: he would have just been coming off comedies like nineteen

943
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: eighty six is the Money Pit in nineteen eighty the Yates, bigs,

944
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: and reasons have been suggested why.

945
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I didn't see that one. I saw Big.

946
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: Hard the sequel Big two A Good Day to Big,

947
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: Big Big. This is one of our favorite recurring bits,

948
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 1: is just making sequels with the same sequel format. Exact

949
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: same construction, BIG's Secret of the use BIG's Big back

950
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: in the habit. See we even the same order.

951
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: Yesius, Have they reached out to you guys yet?

952
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm sure Big too Furious would be

953
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: Oh no, nope, nope, that's phrasing.

954
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: No, we can't do that. Well. Do you know what's actually.

955
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: Funny about about the Fast and Furious sequel is that

956
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: they that that was a Roger Corman movie from like

957
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 2: the fifties, like a cheapy exploitation one. And the reason

958
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: that they have to change the title every time is

959
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 2: because they only paid him to use the phrase the

960
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: Fast and the Furious. So if they keep using that

961
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: and call it Fast and Furious two or the Fast

962
00:46:58,800 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: and Furious three, they would have.

963
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: To pay him over again.

964
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: And rather than do that, they have decided to just

965
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 2: give everyone a different and dumb, increasingly dumber title construction.

966
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah right again. Yeah, come on, money they.

967
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: Bring in, they can spring to pick a guy for.

968
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: It's all got to go to digitally sweetened Vin Diesel's

969
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 2: whole thing.

970
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really does.

971
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: So Tom Hanks? Oh yeah, so Tom Hanks, how do

972
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: we like Tom Hanks for that?

973
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 4: I mean, I love Tom Hanks.

974
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: This was before You've Got Mail, right, mm hmmm. I

975
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 3: thought they have good chemistry in that, so I think

976
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: he would have been great good.

977
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: Chemistry and sleep with in Seattle too.

978
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I like that one less.

979
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't like when.

980
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: They're far apart. I need like in personal chemistry. They

981
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 3: spend too much time not being together.

982
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 4: But I I don't like Tom Hanks is like the

983
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 4: original Golden Retriever. And I don't think. I don't know

984
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 4: that he could be a I don't well, like this

985
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: is kind of an ass when you've got mail, Yeah,

986
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 4: a little.

987
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: Bit, but he's a corporate dick. I just don't know

988
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: if I can see it.

989
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

990
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 4: I just I don't know if I could see this.

991
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 3: Could you see it better than Billy Crystal?

992
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 4: No, not necessarily.

993
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't think it could sell hite, you know.

994
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

995
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, there's multiple reasons why he passed that have

996
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: been offered. Uh oh, hang on, they're come up for

997
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: me because I added an S to big because you

998
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: said something bad about Tom Hanks. Yeah, how dare you

999
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: the like we're on it yet? Neutralizing There's one theory

1000
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: that Tom Hanks felt that the material for When Harry

1001
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: Met Sally was too lightweight, which I don't think is

1002
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: true because instead of making When Harry Met Sally, he

1003
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: made Turner and Hooch, in which he started opposite a

1004
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: French mastiff.

1005
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean he also did toy story. How light hearted

1006
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: he got, right, Yeah, played a dull which I love.

1007
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 4: That's yeah, but that neighbor kid was dark mind.

1008
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,799
Speaker 3: That guy is in a four by five cell right now,

1009
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 3: guarantee absolutely absolutely yeah.

1010
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: What is his Victorian England?

1011
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 2: Is that like the psychiatric measurements of a psychiatric cell?

1012
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: For sure? Four by five is like a dog crak.

1013
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he deserves.

1014
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: That's blown out. Yeah, I'll be generous, Okay, thank you.

1015
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: But the more realistic stop at Heigel, I love you. Uh.

1016
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: The more realistic reason that Tom Hanks passed on this

1017
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: role was apparently that he had just gotten divorced himself,

1018
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: and he didn't connect with the deeply depressed, divorced Harry

1019
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: because he felt liberated by his own divorce. This is

1020
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: according to his current wife, Rita Wilson, who explos on

1021
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: an episode of the Table for Two podcasts in twenty

1022
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: twenty three. That Tom quote was happy not to be

1023
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: married and could not really understand a person going through

1024
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: a divorce that would feel anything other than like, I'm

1025
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: so happy. That seems like a weirdly myopic view of divorce.

1026
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:21,920
Speaker 3: I would really want to hear that from the actual

1027
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: person who went through the divorce, not his new wife.

1028
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1029
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 4: Gonna be like, yeah, loves marriage now.

1030
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1031
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: But he did end up teaming up with Nora Ephron

1032
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: on Seapless in Seattle a few years after when Harry

1033
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: met Sally and You Got Mail. Yes classic. So once

1034
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: Hank said no, Rob Ryaner looked to other big actors

1035
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: working at the time. One of these was Albert Brooks.

1036
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: Could Albert Brooks ever get it? I got to look

1037
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: him up.

1038
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 3: I can't remember it.

1039
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a possibility.

1040
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: I always mixed him and Albert.

1041
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: He's the bad guy.

1042
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: He's like the Oh well, Albert Brooks is like the

1043
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: bad guy in Drive who spoiler alert kills Brian Kranston

1044
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: in the garage.

1045
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: I was gonna watch that time.

1046
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: That was too much information. Finally, you've done. She got

1047
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: us got our those words on this show like in context. Oh,

1048
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 1: he's kind of quietly, soulful. He's got thet this sort

1049
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: of schlubby. Can I put this in the chat? Can

1050
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: I put this? Do you guys? You guys want to

1051
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: google Albert Brooks.

1052
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: I'm looking at him right now.

1053
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah, he's got the little nebi

1054
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 4: she kind of I need.

1055
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 3: To look at him. What year was this movie that

1056
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: it cut out?

1057
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 1: That's good. That's a good point. That's a good point.

1058
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look to him just to be part of

1059
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: the group.

1060
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look to We've got to Okay, Oh god,

1061
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 3: who did he just remind me of somebody?

1062
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: Gutenberg? Steve Steve Guttenberg. Yeah, we've been together too.

1063
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 3: You could join we have broo. Can I have a

1064
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: group called the Curly Headed? And he could join it?

1065
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: Put my hat back on f O S or f

1066
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: u c K f.

1067
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 3: U c K S curly headed fox, silver curly hair.

1068
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: You know?

1069
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah.

1070
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: Well, Albert Brooks passed on the role because he thought

1071
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: it was too much like a knockoff Woody Allen movie,

1072
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: which I kind of see.

1073
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: Uh.

1074
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: He also turned down roles in Big and Pretty Women.

1075
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna say that maybe his taste just

1076
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: sucks or he has bad managers. Other actors up for

1077
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,240
Speaker 1: consideration for the part of Harry Burns and When Harry

1078
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: met Sally include Michael Keaton, Richard Dreyfuss, Harrison Ford, Jeff Bridges,

1079
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: and Bill Murray. Huh, Harrison would.

1080
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: If Carrie Fisher was in it and Harrison Ford, that'd

1081
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 3: be mind.

1082
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I could see Michael Keaton.

1083
00:52:59,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1084
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 3: Capturing Michael Keaton would be really good actually, because he

1085
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 3: does kind of have He's got comedy chops. He famously

1086
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 3: had a guest spot on Frasier and I think he's

1087
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 3: actually really funny and I feel like.

1088
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: Like mister in the series.

1089
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, my god, I forgot about maybe already done Batman

1090
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 3: or would this be before.

1091
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: Like the same year, same year? Yeah, yeah, eighty nine.

1092
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: And then a round com Wow that maybe.

1093
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: It's a good thing that didn't happen. He would have

1094
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: been too powerful Batman and when Harry met Sally in

1095
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: the same year.

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00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 4: I mean Batman doesn't have any power, let's be honest.

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00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 4: He's just yeah, but like back in the day, he

1098
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 4: doesn't have a superpower. Okay, he's the stupidest superhero.

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00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: Alex absolutely I just our band was called the world's

1100
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 1: greatest superhero after Batman. Heigel's a big Batman fan. He's

1101
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: showing you his bat tattoo right now.

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00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm a family of Batman fans.

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00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 2: But no, I mean I I just mean, like in

1104
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, like this stranglehold that movie had on

1105
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 2: pop culture. It was like this, and when Harry met

1106
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 2: Sally like we would have we'd be having like the

1107
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 2: conversation that we have about like I don't know, uh.

1108
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks, that we will be having this about Michael Keaton.

1109
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: We'd be like, Yeah, Michael Keaton, biggest star in the world,

1110
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: America's sweetheart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I try to every day.

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00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: Jordan, you gotta Jordan bud so well. Robert he said

1112
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: that the film was self financed, so they could pretty

1113
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 1: much cast whoever they wanted, and I got no seg

1114
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: Rob Reiner was so despondent.

1115
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 3: What a dream to be able to self finance anything,

1116
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 3: to be able to be like, I haven't left money,

1117
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 3: but I'll just do whatever the I want with this movie.

1118
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:49,280
Speaker 3: It's impressive.

1119
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could sell finance podcast.

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00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1121
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: In fact, I am out well, I'm actually doing this

1122
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: at my.

1123
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 2: Day job while I'm logged onto my day job, so

1124
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 2: I'm technically stealing from one company to do it, which

1125
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: makes me like Robin.

1126
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: Hood too nice.

1127
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 4: I love that, speaking of Rob Reiner, speaking of.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Robin Hood, Robinhood was so despondent.

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00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: About never mind, it's gonna say something about the hot

1130
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: foxes from the Disney one. But responding about to cast

1131
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: he was hot, they should have cast the.

1132
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,879
Speaker 1: Fox in when Harry met Sally was hot.

1133
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 3: God man, and he would have been a curly headed fox.

1134
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 3: That was a birth of a lot of furries in

1135
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: this country. Hey, on both sides, we all know it's true.

1136
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,439
Speaker 3: In fact, I talked to a furry who said that

1137
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 3: was his like his for maid marry any sexual awakening.

1138
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: Yes.

1139
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean I was into the fox,

1140
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: but I was furry sexual awakening. He was like, that's

1141
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 3: how I became a furry. This guy was picture of furry.

1142
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 3: That's that's you're picturing him. I mean, he wasn't in

1143
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 3: a costume at the time that this is a party.

1144
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,720
Speaker 3: But he was like, yeah, that was what.

1145
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: Was his first SONA for sona. Oh. I love that.

1146
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: That's the officially.

1147
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: Appect don't know if he told us something furry, wow clever,

1148
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 3: I want.

1149
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: To say, because he I hope it was a fox.

1150
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it was a fox. I want

1151
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: to say it was like maybe a Teddy bear or

1152
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 3: like a bear. I don't know. I mean, he wasn't

1153
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: in his costume or anything. And it was one of

1154
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 3: those things where he says it and we're all like oh,

1155
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 3: but then he like really gets into the details of

1156
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 3: it and like the conventions he goes are there conventions?

1157
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 3: I guess there has to be. It's a fascinating culture.

1158
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: Cool speak, yeah, segue Rob Reiner. Rob Reiner was so

1159
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: despondent about who to cast that he briefly considered playing

1160
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 2: the part of Harry Burns himself. Then his thoughts turned

1161
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: to his best friend Billy Crystal. Actually, just like the

1162
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: plot of the movie, mister Wright was there all along

1163
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: masquerading as his friend. Crystal was actually very far down

1164
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: the list, which is weird considering the Nora Efron based

1165
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 2: parts of Harry and Sally's friendship in the movie. On

1166
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner's friendship with Billy Crystal that's so adorable that

1167
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 2: they turned to bromance into one of the defining cinematic

1168
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: cists relationships of all time. They would actually do the

1169
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 2: cosa Blanca thing where they would watch Casa Blanca together,

1170
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: and I guess back in the day you wouldn't call

1171
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 2: it live tweeting. You would just call it having a

1172
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 2: phone conversation. But they would live tweet it to one another.

1173
00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: Many of the scenes in which Harry talks to his

1174
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 2: best friend Jess played by Bruno Kirby, took inspiration from

1175
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: Billy and Robb's private chats about relationships gross The pair

1176
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: had met in nineteen seventy five when Billy had a

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00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: guest spot on All in the Family, the sitcom that

1178
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 2: launched Reiner to stardom. Billy Crystal was cast as the

1179
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: best friend of Reiner's character, and they became best friends

1180
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,439
Speaker 2: irl shortly thereafter. Billy obviously knew that his buddy Rob

1181
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: was looking for the male lead in his new movie,

1182
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: and was slightly miffed that he hadn't been considered first,

1183
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: to which I say, be more self aware of Billy

1184
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 2: Crystal wrote in his memoir, I knew from agents and

1185
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,959
Speaker 2: managers that Rob had met with almost every male actor

1186
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: my age except me. Rob can be forgiven at this point, though,

1187
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: because Crystal was not a big on the he was

1188
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: what generously a C lister. Yeah, and the last movie

1189
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: that he'd been in was Prince's Bride, where he was

1190
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: dressed up like a very old grandpa, very old warlock.

1191
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 2: Yes right, famously one of the most sexually magnetic fantasy archetypes.

1192
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: And Crystal was also said he was nervous about working

1193
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: a Reiner said he was nervous that about working with

1194
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: someone who he had an irl friendship with, and his

1195
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 2: fears ironically echoed the central question of the movie. Rob

1196
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 2: Reiner would say, the fear I had was what if

1197
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 2: you worked with a friend and it doesn't work out?

1198
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: Are we going to destroy a friendship? I had no

1199
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: reservations about him playing the part. I just wanted to

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00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: make sure their close bond did make Billy Crystal the

1201
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 2: ideal person to play Rob's alter ego. I'd like to

1202
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 2: turn it over to our guests. If you, guys, were

1203
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: a fantasy casting the story of your podcast and friendship

1204
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: and eventual marriage to one another or from person or

1205
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: possibly a furry who would you cast?

1206
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 4: Oh my god, why am I blanking? Where you should

1207
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 4: you go? I? Have someone I can't think of her

1208
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 4: name right now?

1209
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: Am I cat casting for like for brook and me

1210
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: or just yourself?

1211
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 2: Well, actually you can cast yourself ahead your character and

1212
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 2: your and.

1213
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: And the other. M hmm.

1214
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 3: This is a lot of pressure.

1215
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: And I know I mean cast Christopher Walking play, I'll

1216
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: cast Jack Antonof to play. You all get it? Does

1217
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: he act?

1218
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 2: No, it's just one of that one of our coworkers

1219
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 2: that I looked like Jack Antonoff and it's kind of

1220
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: haunted me ever since.

1221
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 3: Oh okay, I was like Taylor Swift's Jack Antonof, right,

1222
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: I don't know he was.

1223
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: Now it's Margaret Qualley's Jack Antonoff.

1224
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, right right, she's a no name, so I

1225
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 3: can't use that as my reference unfortunately. Oh marsh, No,

1226
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 3: nothing against Margaret Margaret is that her name?

1227
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's who she she's any McDowell's kid. She

1228
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 2: looks just like any McDowell from Uh she's got the billowie.

1229
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, long hair in the face.

1230
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 3: And Andy McDowell has like a series on Hallmark like

1231
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 3: Where the Heart Is or Where the Heart Grows or something.

1232
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: It keeps saying ads for it. That's really good.

1233
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 4: And Michael, okay, play us Jesus Christ. I would say

1234
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 4: I got somebody, okay, Christian Bell and Maya Rudolph.

1235
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: Oh that's cute.

1236
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: I would watch that movie okay, okay.

1237
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 4: Or even maybe Amy Polar and They've got great.

1238
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would go with either Amy Polar or Kristin Wig.

1239
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

1240
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1241
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: And Maya Rudolph.

1242
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I could. I could settle for Mile Ruda.

1243
01:00:57,600 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: Okay.

1244
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 3: I was also thinking, weirdly Sandra Bullock.

1245
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 4: Oh, oh the heat.

1246
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 3: Just I was thinking of the heat.

1247
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: But like, obviously it's so.

1248
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 3: Started to watch it.

1249
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: I love Sandy.

1250
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: She is America's sweetheart.

1251
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 4: She has and Chris Evans is at our house when

1252
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 4: I met her.

1253
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: He's America's sweetheart.

1254
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: He's dead to me. He's also Captain America. Yeah, well

1255
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 3: he's dead to me until Jordan talks to his dad

1256
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: and the right. Yeah, thank you, thank you.

1257
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: This is not even an intentional segue. This is my

1258
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: honest thought. I feel like Sandra Bullock would have been

1259
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: a really good Sally in this.

1260
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: I was thinking that too.

1261
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, well, especially because I'm thinking of Sandra Bullock

1262
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 3: back then. Yeah, so I'm thinking of like while you

1263
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 3: were sleeping Sandy and I think she would be really

1264
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 3: good in this role. Yeah, Sandy's good except for what's it?

1265
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: The one movie she's not good in What about Steve

1266
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: or something where she's the crossword puzzle creator with Bradley

1267
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,560
Speaker 3: Cooper's Yeah.

1268
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that like deeply offensive weird? Yeah that yeah,

1269
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: and then yeah.

1270
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: She's good at everything she yeah, everything else, but yeah yeah.

1271
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: Well.

1272
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: Speaking of bestie's and friendship, the character of Marie Sally's

1273
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: best friend of the movie is played by Carrie Fisher,

1274
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: who is irl best friend with Reiner's ex Penny Marshall.

1275
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: Could have made things onward.

1276
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: Do we think Carrie.

1277
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 2: Fisher she was in her script doctor phase? Do you

1278
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 2: think she did any uncredited work on this?

1279
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I ignra Fron would need that though, you

1280
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: know that's true.

1281
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: That's true. I like to imagine a world where they

1282
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 2: like fought it out, they like hashed it out in

1283
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: the trailer.

1284
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: It got ugly anyway.

1285
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: Billy Crystal was supposed to be playing a depressed single dude,

1286
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 2: so to offset his on set camaraderie wordplay Thanks Jordan

1287
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 2: with Rob Reiner, he deliberately avoided hanging out with the

1288
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: cast and crew and spent most of his time alone

1289
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: in a ho teil room to get into the isolated

1290
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: mindset of a recent divorcee.

1291
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: It's just called acting. Billy. Try it, Billy Crystal. I

1292
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: don't know.

1293
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 3: It's the perfect excuse if you're like, sorry, I am

1294
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: you getting my craft perfected? Right?

1295
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys should try it sometime instead of partying.

1296
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 3: Give me room service and do not disturb door sign.

1297
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: Billy Crystal has been married for fifty three years to

1298
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 2: a woman named Janice Goldfinger, which sounds like something someone

1299
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: would throw out an improv.

1300
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that definitely sounds like a fake name.

1301
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: He was taught at NYU by Marty Jordan. You verify

1302
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:40,160
Speaker 1: this for me?

1303
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wrote it Marty McFly. Yeah, he time traveled

1304
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 4: and taught him at NYU and.

1305
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 2: By Marty McFly and Marty nickname in quotes McFly.

1306
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 3: Scorsese, that's what you're talking about, got it.

1307
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: My, that's my Marty. Yeah.

1308
01:03:58,920 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Jordan segue I tried with the Sandra Bullock and then

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01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: and then it didn't follow everyone really well. Sandra Bullock

1311
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 1: was not on the short list to play Sally. Rob

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01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:13,160
Speaker 1: Ryder's first choice was Susan Day of the Partridge Family

1313
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:18,440
Speaker 1: and La Law, which intristic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a hard time picturing eighties. Yeah, Susan

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01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 1: Day after her on like the flower Bus. I can

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01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 1: kind of see it. Yeah, this is crazy.

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01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: I just put Susan Day into Google Images and instead

1319
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 2: of writing nineteen eighty nine, I just put nine to

1320
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: eight nine, like a common type of that anyone would make.

1321
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: And that changed my Google results from like Wikipedia and

1322
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: eBay and all the normal image results that you come

1323
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: up for nine to eight nine, the top one, two, three,

1324
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 2: four results have suddenly become wiki feet.

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01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 4: Oh you should look at mine. I have like a

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01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 4: rating on there. Oh my gosh, congratulations, thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 4: I found that one day and I was like, wow,

1329
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 4: I'm really making it.

1330
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 1: Finally, what a Susan Day has?

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01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 3: Someone was like, do you know Brooke has a Wiki feet?

1332
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 4: And I was like, someone said that it was yeah,

1333
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 4: I do remember that Susan.

1334
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: Day is close to five.

1335
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 2: I regret to inform you she has like a looks

1336
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 2: like a like a four point nine.

1337
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

1338
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so is that if you just only want to

1339
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: look at people's feet? Absolutely, just put nine eight nine.

1340
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 3: I don't know a secret.

1341
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't know let's see if it works with the

1342
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 2: Market of Feet, if it works with Sandra Bullock.

1343
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't, might just be on my phone, might

1344
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: just speak. Yeah, I was in sad.

1345
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean I have a couple of pictures saved, but

1346
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: just yeah, uh it did not. So maybe that's just

1347
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 2: a Susan Day thing everyone tried out at home. I

1348
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 2: promise I'm not crazy.

1349
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 4: I personally, I will say to bring it back since

1350
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 4: somebody has to clearly wrangle this in. I can't see

1351
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 4: Susan Day playing Sally like.

1352
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that works for me at all.

1353
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: Like looking at the point, how do you feel about

1354
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: Elizabeth McGovern, Elizabeth Perkins, or Molly Ringwalls.

1355
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 4: I could see maybe Elizabeth McGovern of those three, but

1356
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 4: you guys also have Elizabeth Shoe here, and I could

1357
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 4: definitely see Elizabeth Shoe.

1358
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: That was my like fantasy cast. Yeah, I feel like

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01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: that would fit it. Elizabeth McGovern is the.

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01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 3: I cannot see Elizabeth McGovern.

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01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe an eighty nine. She just looks like Carla Gagino.

1362
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: To me, I literally thought they were the same woman,

1363
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:28,720
Speaker 2: which is.

1364
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:30,680
Speaker 3: Gay.

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01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 4: I don't know.

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01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: I also couldn't see Molly Ringwall. Now it's just because

1367
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 3: she's so like entrenched in like pretty and pink sixteen

1368
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 3: k women. Yeah, yeah, I can't. I cannot marry that.

1369
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: Well, we have no yea.

1370
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:50,840
Speaker 4: The silence as we all google right.

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01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 3: Translate for audio, it's perfect, just a bunch of silence.

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: Do you guys want to listen to us breathe? While

1373
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: we started the internet? Everyone, get really close up on

1374
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 1: your mics. We're gonna pivot.

1375
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 2: I'm pivoting this into ASMR. The feet thing didn't work out,

1376
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: so now we're just doing live ASMR.

1377
01:07:16,280 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 4: We're gonna find a curve that loves this somewhere.

1378
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: Time Watergate Factory. Yeah, ASMR list, speaking of perverts.

1379
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of perverts, Rob Reiner was constantly getting petitioned by

1380
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 2: Meg Ryan, who had fallen in love with the script.

1381
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: She would later say, I remember reading the script in

1382
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: like forty minutes. It's a fast, funny, hilarious read and

1383
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:42,320
Speaker 1: there's a type of music to it. As Ryner would recall,

1384
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan was not a big name at the time,

1385
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 1: with her biggest role to date being a bit part

1386
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: in Top Gun. She'd auditioned to play the part of

1387
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal's girlfriend in nineteen eighty seven's Throw Mama from

1388
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 1: the Train, which also co starred rob Ryiner, but she

1389
01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: didn't get the part. Great movie even so, she and

1390
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: Billy had a great audition together, and presumably he encouraged

1391
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 1: yin Or to consider casting her once she auditioned with Billy.

1392
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: The chemistry, according to them, elected was obvious.

1393
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 3: I'd love to see those teaps me too, And I'd

1394
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 3: love to get some toxicology reports on the people's that

1395
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 3: look and said the chemistry is good. Yeah, that's what

1396
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna use my time machine for.

1397
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 4: But then if two people kissing a movie and I

1398
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 4: don't feel a tingle in my vagina, there's no chemistry.

1399
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say it. Okay, someone has to say it.

1400
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,840
Speaker 4: It's the truth, that sensation.

1401
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: But you know you're brave enough. I wish we could

1402
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,080
Speaker 1: have full quotes for episodes.

1403
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: Got it about it?

1404
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 2: I'd like to dig in deeper to this chemistry thing.

1405
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 2: One half of you is firmly anti that this pairing.

1406
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: Do we have a rebuttal? Could you play Devil's advocate?

1407
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,439
Speaker 2: Or are you just both not feeling it at all?

1408
01:08:57,479 --> 01:08:59,599
Speaker 3: I can just like wonder he forcing us to fight,

1409
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 3: I can say they're wondering. It was like, we want

1410
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 3: you guys to disagree on things, and we're like, but

1411
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 3: we know there's a.

1412
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: Couple of things we'll find out.

1413
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,760
Speaker 4: I mean, there was like one, maybe one moment where

1414
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, I feel a little bit of chemistry.

1415
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 4: I think maybe it was like the New Year's Eve kiss.

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01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:18,919
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, seventeen a back exactly.

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01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 4: I mean, that's as much as I can play Devil's

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01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 4: advocate of the chemistry.

1419
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: Well, Billy Crystal felt that chemistry. At least, as Billy

1420
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 1: told The Entertainment Weekly in twenty nineteen, Meg came in

1421
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: and we didn't even read a scene. We all knew

1422
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,000
Speaker 1: it was her. It was just one of those indefinable

1423
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: things that when we started talking, we were them already,

1424
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: you know. And Meg also proved to be very good

1425
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: at improvising, which, as we'll discuss, was crucial to the

1426
01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: production of this movie. In order to take the role

1427
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:48,600
Speaker 1: of Sally, Meg Ryan was forced to drop out of

1428
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 1: Steel Magnolia's with a role going to Julia Roberts. But

1429
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: this was another sort of sliding door moment for two

1430
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: rom com queens because Meg Ryan passed on the lead

1431
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: role in Pretty Woman, which went to Julia Roberts. Okay,

1432
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 1: I know we're not doing alternate casting anymore, and I

1433
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: know we're on the clock, but Dolly Parton in When

1434
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: Harry Met Sally interesting. I'm just saying, just chew on

1435
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: that for a while and then sorry, got back ye sorry, No,

1436
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 1: that's good. Julie Roberts also turned down the Meg Ryan

1437
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: part and You've got mail, so it kind of oh

1438
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: even yeah. One element of the production of When Harry

1439
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:26,599
Speaker 1: Met Sally that makes me sad is that Meg Ryan

1440
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 1: would later say that it was kind of a boys

1441
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,599
Speaker 1: club and she initially felt the odd woman out due

1442
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: to the tight knit friendship between Rob Ryder and Billy Crystal.

1443
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 1: As she told the La Times, they were very conscientious

1444
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: about making sure I felt okay because it was very

1445
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: much like a prefab relationship that I'd come into. Usually

1446
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: everyone comes in and negotiates their respective positions on a movie.

1447
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: That didn't happen on this one. While one crew member

1448
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,519
Speaker 1: described the early days of filming is very, very awkward.

1449
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: In the making of book, all have what she's having,

1450
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 1: they also added that Ryan was quote pretty at home

1451
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,639
Speaker 1: with things by the end of productuction. She also formed

1452
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 1: close friendships with Nora and Carrie Fisher, which lasted until

1453
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 1: their deaths, which I think is lovely, except for the

1454
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:08,719
Speaker 1: death part.

1455
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:14,920
Speaker 2: Speaking of death, no, I mean to say that, let's

1456
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 2: get the elephant in the room out of the way.

1457
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 2: There was a concern in during production about what you

1458
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: charitably describe as the beauty discrepancy between Billy Crystal and

1459
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 2: Meg Ryan, which Hollywood solved in the time honored way

1460
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 2: of sticking some glasses on Meg.

1461
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: I gotta say the glasses work for me.

1462
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,600
Speaker 2: Everyron supposedly said, well, we have to have glasses for

1463
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 2: the character because Meg's a lot more attractive than Billy is,

1464
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,440
Speaker 2: and then proceeded to have her try on between two

1465
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 2: and six hundred pairs of eyeglasses. And this occurred at

1466
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: Starry Eyes Optical Service Optician to the Stars. I added

1467
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: that question mark, it's a prop glass play, as I'm guessing,

1468
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: I think, na. It was during this process that Meg

1469
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 2: ultimately found a pair of vintage, one of a kind

1470
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: Robert Laroche frames that she deemed suitable. Not only were

1471
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 2: these big honkin' Sally Jesse Raphael frames valued at five

1472
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: grand in eighty nine dollars or twelve grand today, but Meg,

1473
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 2: a woman after my own heart, tried to steal them

1474
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 2: before learning that they actually belonged to the shop's owner. Ultimately,

1475
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 2: they made twenty some replicas for production. Jordan, while I

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01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: read this next part, you want to google and see

1477
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 2: if there are any up for sale at Julian's or anything. Yes,

1478
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 2: this movie, also in the casting department, features a first kid.

1479
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 2: And no, I'm not talking about the movie that stars

1480
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 2: some interchangeable brunette moppet from the nineteen nineties. And I

1481
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: want to say Sindbad, I mean an illiteral offspring of

1482
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 2: the president. A few people remember Sally's pre hairy boyfriend Joe,

1483
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 2: described as a tall set surfboard of a man. He's

1484
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: played by Stephen Ford, son of our equally forgettable president

1485
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: Gerald Ford. Stephen was a male model before getting into politics.

1486
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: Insert Zoolander quote. This casting is hilarious because Steve Ford

1487
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: was originally cast to play an almost identical role, the

1488
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 2: blandly attractive boyfriend that the heroin dates prior to winding

1489
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 2: up with the leading man she was always supposed to

1490
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:27,639
Speaker 2: be with in Greece. He was cast to play Sandy's

1491
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,440
Speaker 2: boyfriend Tom before backing out due to supposedly stage fright.

1492
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 1: A coke addiction.

1493
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 2: I'd be yeah maybe. Thankfully he got his second chance

1494
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: and when Harry met Sally. And would go on to

1495
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 2: appear in films such as Our Beloved Armageddon, Blackhawk Down

1496
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: and Transformers, A big fan of the Military Industrial Complex

1497
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 2: and Michael Bay and he is the President's son, Yeah,

1498
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 2: and he plays He plays a secret service agent in

1499
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 2: Escape from New York from Old Johnny Carpenter. Steve Ford

1500
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:01,759
Speaker 2: is also involved in one of your favorite presidential stories

1501
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: of all time in the Summer of nineteen which I

1502
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 2: would now read in the instead of You. And in

1503
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 2: the summer of nineteen seventy four, soon after his father

1504
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 2: inherited the presidency from Richard Nixon, a then eighteen year

1505
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: old Steve Ford and a friend took his stereo to

1506
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 2: the White House roof and played led Zeppelin four technically

1507
01:14:20,160 --> 01:14:25,000
Speaker 2: known as Untitled but or the Runes album so loud

1508
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 2: it could be heard across Pennsylvania Avenue.

1509
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: Jordan.

1510
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 2: If you had access to the White House roof, which

1511
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 2: song would you blast? Would it be something lame like

1512
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: the Beach Boys, or would it be something bitchin like

1513
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 2: led Zeppelin.

1514
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 1: I'd say, who's next, I'd say, God, yeah, we wouldn't

1515
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: get fulled again, or Baba Oriley from the White House

1516
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: would slap right.

1517
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 2: I would say war pigs by Black Sabbath, just for

1518
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: the cognitive disstance, but actually kind of want to give

1519
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 2: it to Kate Bush. We're gonna put on Hounds of Love,

1520
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 2: side A and B, as she intended for the record

1521
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: to be heard anyway. Post nine to eleven, the roof

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Speaker 2: was actually transformed into a sniper's nest, and access for

1523
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 2: non security purposes became impossible. Steve Ford would later say,

1524
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 2: I feel sorry for Obama and the Bush Girls. They

1525
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 2: never got a chance to drag their stereos.

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01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: Up to the roof. Well said Steve Well on the

1527
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 1: topic of actors with famous parents, when Harry Matt Sally

1528
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: has more than its fair share. At least five of

1529
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: the film's cast members and creators came from show business families,

1530
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: most well known, of course, as Carrie Fisher, whose parents

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01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: were Debbie Reynolds and Eddie Fisher. Rob Reiner's father was

1532
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,559
Speaker 1: comedy legend Carl Reiner, and his mother, Estelle Reiner, had

1533
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: been an accomplished jazz singer. Laura E. Fron's parents we mentioned,

1534
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: Henry and Phoebe Fhron, were highly successful Hollywood screenwriters and producers.

1535
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 1: Bruno Kirby had also followed in the footsteps of his

1536
01:15:49,240 --> 01:15:52,719
Speaker 1: character actor dad Bruce Kirby. He'd had a bit part

1537
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: as the storekeeper in Rob Reiner's Stand By Me and

1538
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal's father and uncle were both prominent in the

1539
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 1: record industreet working closely with legends like Billie Holiday. Do

1540
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: you know that I did not. Yeah, we're going to

1541
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 1: take a quick break, but we'll be right back with

1542
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: more too much information in just a moment. Hello, folks,

1543
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: it's Jordan breaking the fourth wall for a change. I

1544
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: got a level with you. We spend so much time

1545
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: talking about feet and furries and ASMR and locker rooms

1546
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:33,679
Speaker 1: and plane crashes and Chris Evans and my pathetic love

1547
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: life that our guests needed to step out for a

1548
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: minute and attend to some business. Don't worry, they'll be

1549
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: back by the end of the episode. But for now,

1550
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: you're stuck with Heigel Nio. All Right, we're moving on

1551
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 1: to the production principal photography for When Harry Met Sally

1552
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: began on August twenty ninth, nineteen eighty eight, with a

1553
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: budget of fourteen point five million, which is thirty six

1554
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: million dollars today, pretty cheap, less than half of what

1555
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,160
Speaker 1: the other big comedy of nineteen eighty nine, Ghostbusters Too,

1556
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: cost to produce. Rob Ryder and Nora Ephron wanted many

1557
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 1: of the scenes to be set against some of New

1558
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,200
Speaker 1: York City's most beautiful locations to highlight the lead character's

1559
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 1: complete lack of awareness. In other words, there was blind

1560
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: to the love growing between them as they are to

1561
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: the romance of their surroundings. That's fascinating, man.

1562
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 2: I love that, Like just consciously putting them in New

1563
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 2: York's most beautiful locations and having them not address it

1564
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 2: at all.

1565
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: Address it. Yeah, that's amazing, really galaxy brain stuff. Yeah.

1566
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 1: I mean the perfect example of this is when Harry

1567
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 1: moves into his new apartment. There are these huge bay

1568
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 1: windows that overlook the Empire State Building, and it could

1569
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,839
Speaker 1: be viewed as either the greatest view in the world

1570
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: or the loneliest. Shooting took place on location in various

1571
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 1: New York City locales, including Central Park and the Low

1572
01:17:53,560 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: Boat House, where Sally's Lunch with Marie and Alice was

1573
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: filmed the Puck Building, which served us a location for

1574
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: the two New York parties, and also Marie in Jess's wedding,

1575
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 1: Giants Stadium, a loft and Soho which stood in for

1576
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: Harry's apartment, and Katz's Delhi on the Lower East Side,

1577
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 1: which we will talk more about in a moment. But

1578
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 1: for all the location shooting, the most difficult scene was

1579
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 1: pretty mundane, or at least appeared so on the screen.

1580
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,160
Speaker 1: It's the four way telephone call after Harry and Sally

1581
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: first sleep with each other and call their friends played

1582
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: by Carrie Fisher and Bruno Kirby, at exactly the same time.

1583
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,920
Speaker 1: Carrie and Bruno's characters are in bed together, so as

1584
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: a three way split screen. Through the movie, Rob Reiner

1585
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:37,679
Speaker 1: uses split screen to show characters talking on the phone,

1586
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: which is an old classic cinematic device inspired by the

1587
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine Rock Hutsondris Day romcom Pillow Talk. But

1588
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 1: the scene when Harry met Sally was significantly more complicated

1589
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: this three way split call, Rob Reiner told USA Today

1590
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, it's like doing a magic trick. No

1591
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: one sees the trick because it doesn't look like anything,

1592
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: but technical people have always asked me, how did you

1593
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,080
Speaker 1: do that shot? To get their conversation synchronized the two

1594
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 1: sets of conversations, the crew used three cameras to film

1595
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 1: the four actors on three different sets that were connected

1596
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: by a real telephone line to get the timing just right. So,

1597
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: in other words, you had Billy Crystal and Harry's bedroom set,

1598
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,600
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan and Sally's bedroom set, and Carrie Fishow and

1599
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: Bruno Kirby in the middle in their bedroom set, all

1600
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 1: talking on the phone for real, and it was all

1601
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 1: one continuous take. So if one person screwed up even

1602
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: a single line in the I think it was like

1603
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: four pages of rapid fire dialogue, he had to start

1604
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 1: all over again. And as a result, they spent an

1605
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: entire day shooting sixty one takes of this scene until

1606
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: they nailed it one earlier take. Rob Bryner estimates that

1607
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,720
Speaker 1: it would have been in the low fifties. Went perfectly,

1608
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: but as the cast celebrated, a sound technician informed them

1609
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,360
Speaker 1: that birds wrestling in the studio rafters had ruined us.

1610
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: So the birds were shoot out of the studio and

1611
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:57,839
Speaker 1: take fifty six seemed like it would have been fallowless,

1612
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 1: with each character hanging up the phone in order, and

1613
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: then Bruno Kirby blew the very last line of the scene,

1614
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 1: resimber the hit. They all threw pillows at him or something,

1615
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 1: and then they finally nailed it five takes later, for

1616
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: take sixty one. This is Bruno.

1617
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 2: Why don't I like that guy? He was in Yeah,

1618
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: Godfather and Part two, and he was in Good Morning Vietnam.

1619
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: He's the station manager, scrawny station manager that is out

1620
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 1: to get Robin Williams. Uh oh. He's the limo driver

1621
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,679
Speaker 1: in spinal Tap. That's why. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

1622
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 1: that you know.

1623
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,080
Speaker 2: What that biography should be called? Yes I can if

1624
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:41,879
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra says, it's okay. The telephone scene was obviously

1625
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 2: meticulously scripted, but Ryner encouraged improvising on the set. Many

1626
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 2: of the most beloved moments in the film were made

1627
01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,000
Speaker 2: up on the fly. One of these little moments occurred

1628
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 2: in the scene where we first meet Harry's he embarks

1629
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 2: in a road trip with Sally at the beginning of

1630
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 2: the movie. The bit where Harry eats grapes and spits

1631
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: one of them directly into a closed window. Uh was

1632
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 2: on the script bit Reiner said, I wanted to make

1633
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: Harry a little bit rougher around the edges to start,

1634
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 2: so we came up with this idea of him eating

1635
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: the grapes. Billy said, I can just be spitting the

1636
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: seeds out the window. That's what gave Harry a little

1637
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 2: bit more abruptness. Billy and I came up with that

1638
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 2: on the set as we were doing it. I found

1639
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 2: it so disgusting how he just rolls down the winner

1640
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:21,320
Speaker 2: window with it still on there. Another scene that was

1641
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: partially ad libbed is when Harry starts speaking in the

1642
01:21:23,479 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: goofy voice at the Met Museum, Part product of Part

1643
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 2: take of Your Pecan Pie and so forth.

1644
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 1: Always bothered me. Yeah, it's dumb.

1645
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 2: It's in one of those moments I was talking about

1646
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,879
Speaker 2: earlier where they were like, yeah, just give it to Crystal.

1647
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: Throw to Crystal. Oh yeah.

1648
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 2: Midway through the scene, you can see Meg Ryan actually

1649
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 2: breaking character with a laugh. She looks off camera to Rhiner, though,

1650
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: who indicated that she should keep going, and she jumps

1651
01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: back into it. Spontaneity was so great that they left

1652
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 2: the take in breaking all Meg Ryan also showed off

1653
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 2: her improv skills during the Pictionary wind Loser draw scene,

1654
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 2: when she's frantically trying to get everyone to guess the

1655
01:21:54,439 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 2: phrase baby talk. According to Rhiner, he didn't direct Meg

1656
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 2: I want to sketch. He just gave her the phrase

1657
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: to draw and she went for it, which led to

1658
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: the other actors spewing out hilarious non scripted guesses, including

1659
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 2: Bruno Kirby's immortal baby fish mouth. That's a great lot

1660
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: so they used to call me in college.

1661
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: But the Crowning achieved it. Of beg Ryan's improv skills

1662
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: is the infamous Deli scene. The scene came out of

1663
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:22,799
Speaker 1: a conversation between Nora and Reiner, where he basically said, Okay,

1664
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 1: I've told you all sorts of guy secrets. What about

1665
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: the stuff that women do that men don't know about.

1666
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: Her response was Sally's revelation. Writer's response was basically identical

1667
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 1: to Harry's. He was so shocked to hear that women

1668
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 1: fake it that he apparently called six different women at

1669
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: his production company into his office and asked them to

1670
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 1: confirm that this was a thing, a move that he

1671
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,440
Speaker 1: would later admit should have gotten him sued. And or canceled.

1672
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't like this, it's gross. Yeah. Yeah. Initially the

1673
01:22:56,600 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 1: scene was just supposed to be a conversation about whether

1674
01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 1: or not women fake sexual pleasure, but during a readthrough,

1675
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan said, well, why don't I just do it?

1676
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:09,080
Speaker 1: And it was Billy Crystal's idea for the scene to

1677
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: be set in a crowded restaurant. Rob Reiner wanted the

1678
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: Carnegie Deli, but ultimately they went for Katz's Deli opened

1679
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: since eighteen eighty eight, for reasons that I assume either

1680
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: involved permits or Pastrami preference. In what I have to

1681
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 1: imagine as an example of mansplaining that will be taught

1682
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: in universities until the end of time, rob Ryder ended

1683
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: up acting out exactly what he wanted Ryan to do.

1684
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Her first few takes an image that will never leave

1685
01:23:35,400 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: my head in front of the entire casting crew. He

1686
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:45,080
Speaker 1: felt that her performance initially was quote very tepid. His

1687
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: attempt to yielded around of applause from all the extras,

1688
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: which famously included his own mother. Rob Reiner talked about

1689
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,759
Speaker 1: his big moment in an interview with The Daily Beast.

1690
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:57,920
Speaker 1: He said, I sat down opposite Billy and I acted

1691
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: it out. I pounded the table again and again, going yes, yes, yes,

1692
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 1: And when we were done, I turned to Billy and

1693
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: I said, uh, oh, I just realized I had a

1694
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: huge orgasm in front of my mother, A phrase I

1695
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: never thought i'd say, this is Billy, I'm mortified.

1696
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:17,400
Speaker 2: I was going to say, we should have talked about

1697
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 2: this scene with the guests on, but I don't think

1698
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: either of us would have survived it.

1699
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm kind of actually secretly glad that we're

1700
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: doing this about them. Billy joked that it was like

1701
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,679
Speaker 1: being on a date with Sebastian Cabot, which is mean

1702
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 1: but accurate. And then Meg Ryan sat down and did

1703
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 1: the scene better than anyone could have done it. The

1704
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 1: Revron noticed an interesting response to the scene when she

1705
01:24:40,360 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 1: went to a test screening to this movie in Las Vegas, specifically,

1706
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: the males in the audience, who, she said, remained silent.

1707
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:49,080
Speaker 1: They didn't get it, she said. The women did. However,

1708
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 1: they laughed, and their laughter became infectious until one by

1709
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:56,280
Speaker 1: one the men joined in. Ephron wasn't sure whether the

1710
01:24:56,320 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: women had in effect given the men permission to laugh,

1711
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 1: or whether some of the men were quote being told

1712
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 1: that something up on the screen was funny and they'd

1713
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: better laugh or look stupid.

1714
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 2: She had a low opinion of us as a as

1715
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 2: a sex Huh.

1716
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 1: I mean we haven't. We didn't do much to really

1717
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 1: earn it from her. Did very true. Yeah. The scene

1718
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: has obviously been enshrined in the pantheon of classic movie moments.

1719
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,559
Speaker 1: Katz's Deli is very proud of its place in Hollywood

1720
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,320
Speaker 1: history and has placed a sign marking the table where

1721
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan sat. They also staged and all have what

1722
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:35,680
Speaker 1: She's having contest where an enthusiastic participants can perform. They

1723
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 1: want to see who can perform the best. The deli's

1724
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:43,919
Speaker 1: owner chooses five winners judged on points including enthusiasm and commitment,

1725
01:25:44,640 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 1: and the prize package is worth one hundred and thirty

1726
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,120
Speaker 1: five dollars, including a T shirt, tote bag, pins, and

1727
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,799
Speaker 1: all the ingredients to make the sandwich that both Harry

1728
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: and Sally are eating during the scene. The scene, sort

1729
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: of predictably, has led to some awkward moments between Meg

1730
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: Ryan and her children. Speaking to our former colleagues at

1731
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 1: People Magazine, Ryan recall the time when then fiance John

1732
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: Mellencamp decided it would be a good idea to let

1733
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 1: their fourteen year old daughter watch the movie. Ryan said,

1734
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: I'm walking around the house doing other stuff. I can

1735
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 1: hear baby fish mouth, I hear the orgasm scene, and

1736
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: then there's a silence from the room they're watching in

1737
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: my daughter's fourteen and John goes, Meg, I'm not explaining this.

1738
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:26,479
Speaker 1: What a piece.

1739
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 2: I'm going out for a smoke. I'm gonna go into

1740
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: my painting room. Honey, you handle this.

1741
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: He was the grumpiest man I've ever interviewed, by the way,

1742
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 1: So I'm glad that story's out there. But at least

1743
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan didn't have to perform that scene in front

1744
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 1: of her mother, which is what Rob Ryner had to

1745
01:26:44,120 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: do when he was demonstrating. Higel tell us about Rob

1746
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: Ryaner's mother a Stelle.

1747
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: His mother is Stelle, one of the most famous go

1748
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:52,839
Speaker 2: to answers in all of trivia history.

1749
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,439
Speaker 1: I guarantee you if.

1750
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 2: You throw a you know what's the proverbial phrase, You

1751
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 2: can't swing a cat in a room, a dead cat

1752
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 2: in a room without hitting somebody who knows that. That's

1753
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 2: Rob Bryner's mom. The classic I'll have what she's having line.

1754
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,719
Speaker 2: Rob originally called his mom and asked if she would

1755
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 2: come in for one line that, for all he knew,

1756
01:27:10,840 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 2: may have ended up on the cutting room floor. She replied,

1757
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,519
Speaker 2: I don't care, as long as I get to spend

1758
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,680
Speaker 2: the day with my son. I'll come and I'll have

1759
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 2: a hot dog. And she nailed it in two takes.

1760
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,240
Speaker 2: I could have done it in one with I'll have

1761
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 2: what she's having A Billy Crystal ad lib ranking thirty

1762
01:27:26,439 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 2: three on the American Film Institute's list of top one

1763
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 2: hundred movie quotations. Upon her death in two thousand and

1764
01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,519
Speaker 2: eight at the age of ninety four, The New York

1765
01:27:33,560 --> 01:27:36,240
Speaker 2: Times referred to Stelle Reiner in its obituary as the

1766
01:27:36,280 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 2: woman who delivered one of the most memorably funny lines

1767
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:43,120
Speaker 2: in movie history. But this is not the only family

1768
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,400
Speaker 2: connection in the film. For Rob Reiner. There's a scene

1769
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 2: where Harry and Sally are in new relationships. Harry has

1770
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,640
Speaker 2: begun dating a woman named Emily. Portraying Emily in the

1771
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,719
Speaker 2: scene is actually Ryner's twenty four year old daughter, Tracy.

1772
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:56,759
Speaker 2: Billy Crystal noted that the casting choice made things slightly

1773
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,400
Speaker 2: awkward because he knew her since she was a little girl,

1774
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: Racy Ryan, We're going to play Betty spaghetti Horn in

1775
01:28:03,160 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 2: her mom Penny Marshall's film A League of Their Own

1776
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 2: and also the wife of astronaut Fred Hayes in Apollo thirteen.

1777
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,280
Speaker 2: And Rob Reiner himself lastly has a cameo in the film.

1778
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 2: During the New Year's Eve party scene. His voice can

1779
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,400
Speaker 2: be heard off camera saying, Hey, everybody, ten seconds until

1780
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: New Year.

1781
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:22,360
Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, we're all gonna get latet. Yeah. Right.

1782
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 2: We mentioned earlier that Harry riffs about obnoxiously about what

1783
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,839
Speaker 2: old lang Zion actually means. It's Robert Burns, you createn,

1784
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 2: It's Scottish. Years earlier, Rob Ryner had a similar line

1785
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,680
Speaker 2: of dogog when he was playing Mike Stivick in the

1786
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 2: TV show All in the Family. For an added dose

1787
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 2: of authenticity, the New Year's Eve scene where Harry professes

1788
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:45,719
Speaker 2: his love to Sally was reportedly filmed on an actual

1789
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve in New York City. Like he did

1790
01:28:48,160 --> 01:28:50,600
Speaker 2: for so much of the movie, Billy Crystal improvised a

1791
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 2: lot of the New Year's Eve confessional scene, including the

1792
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,720
Speaker 2: sweet line where he tells Sally, I love the way

1793
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 2: your nose crinkles, and Also, when you realize you want

1794
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 2: to spend the rest of your life with somebody, you

1795
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 2: want the rest of your life to start as soon

1796
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: as possible. Probably the other most iconic line from the

1797
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 2: film great line in saying Yah'd lived that.

1798
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,680
Speaker 1: Uh. Probably a little late to say spoiler alert, but

1799
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 1: the film's happy ending very nearly didn't happen. Originally, the

1800
01:29:16,760 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 1: movie was going to have Harry and Sally stay separated,

1801
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: only to bump into each other five years later on

1802
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the street before walking off in separate directions, leaving viewers

1803
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:28,600
Speaker 1: to wonder whether or not they'd reunite romantically. And this

1804
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: was largely due to the fact that, originally, you remember,

1805
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: the characters were based on Rob Reiner and Nora Ephron,

1806
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 1: who apparently were not a love match. Nora later said

1807
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: in a DVD featurette, those types of people don't get together,

1808
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: which is a revelation that kind of crushed me. Test audiences, however,

1809
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: were not fans of this more truthful ending. Ryder decided

1810
01:29:51,320 --> 01:29:53,559
Speaker 1: to give the characters a happy ending after he had

1811
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: one for himself. While he was making When Harry met Sally,

1812
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,719
Speaker 1: he met his future wife, photographer Michelle Singer. He later

1813
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,360
Speaker 1: said I fell in love, and I said, I see

1814
01:30:03,360 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: how this works. The two were originally introduced by the

1815
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:10,440
Speaker 1: film cinematographer and Future Men and Black director Barry Somnenfeld.

1816
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:14,520
Speaker 1: Ryner apparently had heard that Michelle Pfeiffer was getting divorced

1817
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 1: and jokingly, I Hope told somon Feld that he was

1818
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: going to call Pfeiffer, presumably trying to save Rob Ryder

1819
01:30:21,960 --> 01:30:25,519
Speaker 1: from a brutal rejection. Sonefeld responded, You're not gonna call her.

1820
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: You're going to marry my friend Michelle Singer, and that's

1821
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 1: exactly what he did. They were introduced soon after, and

1822
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 1: they were married in nineteen eighty nine, the year when

1823
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 1: Harry Met Sally was released, and they're still together today.

1824
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: They have three children and by my count, five grandchildren.

1825
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: So they got their happy ending, and so did Harry

1826
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 1: and Sally, who ended the movie on the couch talking

1827
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 1: about their origin story. Like all the other couples we've

1828
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: seen thus far in the movie.

1829
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: In my ending, the final date card comes up to

1830
01:30:57,240 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 2: the film September eleventh, two thousand and one.

1831
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: Sorry, well, there's no real good spot to put this in,

1832
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: especially after what Heigel just said, But the movie gets

1833
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,440
Speaker 1: so much of his New York loungey wooty Allen knockoff

1834
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 1: feel from the piano standards played by mister Harry Connick Junior.

1835
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 2: Babies and gentlemen, Mister Harry Connick Junior one of.

1836
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:23,040
Speaker 1: The happiest people have ever interviewed, and he won his

1837
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: first ever Grammy for Best Jazz Male Vocal Performance for

1838
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,919
Speaker 1: this soundtrack, catapulting the twenty two year old into the limelight.

1839
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: The album went double platinum in the US and hit

1840
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: number one on the Billboard Traditional Jazz Charts. I don't

1841
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 1: have much to say that's interesting about Harry Connick Jr.

1842
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: Except for the fact that he's a piano prodigy, which

1843
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 1: is interesting. And also his dad was the DA of

1844
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:48,919
Speaker 1: New Orleans for thirty years, which is kind of badass.

1845
01:31:49,280 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of bad.

1846
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:51,559
Speaker 2: But also in No Orleans is like one of the

1847
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 2: most corrupt places of the past fifty years. Like their

1848
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: major scandal the ninety was the fact that their narcotics

1849
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 2: department of the NPD was running a narcotics ring. But no,

1850
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:09,439
Speaker 2: I'm just contractly obligated. Every time Harry comes up to

1851
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 2: mention that clip of him. Have you seen the clip

1852
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 2: of him? Where he turns the crowd around on the beat.

1853
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing. Everyone should go google this.

1854
01:32:17,240 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 2: There's a you know, the whole thing about white people

1855
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 2: not being able to clap on the two and the

1856
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:22,439
Speaker 2: four of the back beat. They just always no matter

1857
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 2: how the song starts, they end up clapping on the

1858
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 2: wrong beat. So Harry's solution he's taking an unaccompanied piano solo,

1859
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: is he throws in an extra beat and I think,

1860
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:36,959
Speaker 2: I mean he's playing eighth notes right, so he literally

1861
01:32:37,080 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 2: just yeah, I mean, he just throws in like a

1862
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:44,320
Speaker 2: little he plays one bar five four is what I

1863
01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 2: mean to say, instead of the four four that he's

1864
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:49,759
Speaker 2: playing in And this has the effect of successfully flipping

1865
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 2: the crowd's wrong beat back around to two and four.

1866
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,679
Speaker 2: And it's really without them even realizing it. You kind

1867
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:59,120
Speaker 2: of hear them, like you kind of watch and hear

1868
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 2: them go way eight.

1869
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Something feels better now.

1870
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 2: But it's like it's one of the most incredible pieces

1871
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:07,559
Speaker 2: of like musical live music, like magic that you'll ever see.

1872
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,839
Speaker 2: I implore everyone to go check it out. It's amazing.

1873
01:33:10,200 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: So Harry gets a pass in my book.

1874
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: Well, both Rob Reiner and Billy Crystal had low hopes

1875
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,599
Speaker 1: for the movie, but it was released on July fourteenth,

1876
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. It was competing against summer blockbusters like

1877
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 1: Your Beloved Batman and Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade,

1878
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: My Beloved Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade, so they

1879
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 1: figured that this relatively small comedy was going to get crushed.

1880
01:33:31,640 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: Afron later explained that the studio was afraid of it because, quote,

1881
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,200
Speaker 1: it has no safety net. It entirely depends on you're

1882
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 1: caring about these two people. There's no real plot, and

1883
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 1: as a way to combat the competition and also the

1884
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: huge marketing budgets of their competition, the studio released the

1885
01:33:48,479 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 1: film in just a few theaters in its first week

1886
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 1: about ninety in an effort to allow positive word of

1887
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 1: mouth to spread. This tactic paid off when when Harry

1888
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:59,479
Speaker 1: met Sally raked in nearly ninety three million dollars at

1889
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: the box off, making it the eleventh highest grossing movie

1890
01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:05,840
Speaker 1: of the year. Ryner later told People magazine, you'd never know.

1891
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: You make a movie and hopefully you like it, and

1892
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,640
Speaker 1: hopefully other people do too. You have no idea if

1893
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: it'll stand the test of time, and it's kind of

1894
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:16,799
Speaker 1: cool that it did, but in keeping with a TMI tradition,

1895
01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: When Harry Met Sally is another beloved classic that was

1896
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 1: trashed by the critics upon its release. Writing in The

1897
01:34:22,760 --> 01:34:26,240
Speaker 1: New York Times, Karen James called it quote an often funny,

1898
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:31,480
Speaker 1: but amazingly hollow film that quote romanticized lives of intelligent, successful,

1899
01:34:31,560 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 1: neurotic New Yorkers. She went on to dismiss it as

1900
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,360
Speaker 1: a Witty Allen ripoff, citing everything from its white on

1901
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,640
Speaker 1: black credits to its classic jazz influence score to his

1902
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: obsessive conversations about love, sex, and death. When Harry Met

1903
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: Sally's the most blatant bow from one director to another

1904
01:34:48,080 --> 01:34:52,400
Speaker 1: since Witty Allen imitated Igmar Bergmann in Interiors. The review reads.

1905
01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,840
Speaker 1: Rog Reebert was more muted, calling it most conventional in

1906
01:34:56,920 --> 01:34:59,800
Speaker 1: terms of structure and the way it fulfills her expectation.

1907
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: So the critics didn't really like When Harry Met Sally.

1908
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:06,799
Speaker 1: But you know who did one of my favorite royals,

1909
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:12,919
Speaker 1: the Archduke Franz Ferdinand did Duke's Countess Royalty.

1910
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, because wasn't Philip Wasn't wasn't the crypt keeper uh

1911
01:35:18,680 --> 01:35:19,400
Speaker 2: old Scratch?

1912
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:22,799
Speaker 1: He married into it. Wasn't he the Duke of Edinburgh

1913
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: or something? Yeah, but I kind of him is having

1914
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:30,840
Speaker 1: married into it. You know, sure, God, he's in hell.

1915
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Got he's in hell. There's no I hope he's in hell.

1916
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:41,519
Speaker 2: Uh, yes, Jordan, that's correct. Princess Diana. Uh she you

1917
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:45,839
Speaker 2: say Princess Diana. I can literally hear the bile rising

1918
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 2: in your throat.

1919
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:50,000
Speaker 1: I say it. I like Princess Diana.

1920
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:54,640
Speaker 2: If she was the pizzels she was, Yes, she was

1921
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:58,120
Speaker 2: the people's princess. And she threw a giant, as they

1922
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 2: would say, spanner to the works, a wobbler. A wobbler's

1923
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,879
Speaker 2: a fit though, right, like a tantrum. Threw a wobbley.

1924
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that. I thought that was just

1925
01:36:09,760 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 1: like anything that doesn't go according to plan. Now I

1926
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:15,160
Speaker 1: think throw a spanner into the works? Is it because

1927
01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: the tool that doctor who has and is called like

1928
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: the interdimensional spanner or something. So it's a wrench. It's

1929
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: a British word for a wrench, right.

1930
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:25,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she threw a spanner into the work. Look,

1931
01:36:25,560 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 2: anything that makes the actual royals unhappy, I'm one hundred

1932
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: percent on board for so good for good for Princess

1933
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:34,320
Speaker 2: Die Less. Good for her was that she was seated

1934
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 2: next to Billy Crystal at the UK premiere of the film,

1935
01:36:37,240 --> 01:36:43,000
Speaker 2: and God, can you imagine being a statuesque royal seated

1936
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: next to the most thirstily always be closing comic. How

1937
01:36:48,360 --> 01:36:50,240
Speaker 2: much do you think he was just riffing to her

1938
01:36:50,280 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 2: about like Yorkshire pudding or something that time.

1939
01:36:54,720 --> 01:36:57,720
Speaker 1: She was so tall, she was like five foot She's

1940
01:36:57,760 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: like my heights, she's like five to eleven. Yeah, yeah, sure,

1941
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:01,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure that did it for him.

1942
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 2: Uh as Billy Crystal, We're just fucking wailing on Billy Crystal.

1943
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 1: It's like the Simpsons gift, like, leave him alone. He's dead, already.

1944
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:16,720
Speaker 2: Flogging his corpse. As he recalled in his book, I'll

1945
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 2: have what she's having. When the orgasm scene starts, Diana

1946
01:37:20,479 --> 01:37:23,599
Speaker 2: was laughing so hard, just belching it out. She had

1947
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: the kind of laugh where if you were on a date,

1948
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:27,839
Speaker 2: you'd never want to see her again. Then she grabbed

1949
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 2: my hand and said, so naughty. Yeah, all right, buddy,

1950
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 2: dial it back. You think that's true?

1951
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: No, so naughty's a little on the nose, it's a

1952
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: little awest some.

1953
01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:46,840
Speaker 2: Powers, Yeah, grabbing his hand like there weren't like seven

1954
01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:49,519
Speaker 2: British snipers like sas guys in the back of the

1955
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 2: theater waiting for her to take her out if she

1956
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 2: did something that so bold. Reiner Rob Ryner, who was

1957
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,880
Speaker 2: nervous about how Princess Di would take the scene, remembered

1958
01:37:57,880 --> 01:38:00,600
Speaker 2: her leaning over to Billy and whispering, I'd laughing a

1959
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 2: lot more, but I know everyone's watching me, which backs

1960
01:38:03,640 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 2: up exactly what I just said. According to Ryer, she

1961
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 2: had a copy of the film sent to Kensington Palace

1962
01:38:08,640 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 2: so she could watch it with her friends. In addition

1963
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 2: to getting the Royal Seal of Approval, when Harry met

1964
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 2: Sally got something that's even more rare for a rom

1965
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 2: com Oscar recognition. Nora Efron received an Oscar Nod for

1966
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 2: Best Writing, but the trophy ultimately went to Dead Poet Society.

1967
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah that scans.

1968
01:38:26,280 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1969
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:28,120
Speaker 1: A sweeter tribute.

1970
01:38:27,840 --> 01:38:30,400
Speaker 2: Would come almost thirty years later, though, from Meg Ryan's

1971
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 2: son Jack the twenty something revealed on a panel in

1972
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen that he had recently watched when Harry met

1973
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:39,080
Speaker 2: Sally for the first time. He explained the delay by saying, guys,

1974
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 2: when your mother has one of the most famous orgasm

1975
01:38:41,080 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 2: scenes of all time.

1976
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:43,320
Speaker 1: You do not jump on the film.

1977
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 2: Okay, I saw it because I was filming a rom

1978
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 2: com and that's like the rom com. I watched it,

1979
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,479
Speaker 2: and then afterwards I cried for so long because I

1980
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,600
Speaker 2: was so proud of her. And I immediately called her

1981
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm so sorry I missed this movie.

1982
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 2: She's like, I've only seen it one time.

1983
01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:58,400
Speaker 1: Anyway.

1984
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:02,280
Speaker 2: That's my favorite of hers. And most importantly, in twenty

1985
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 2: twenty two, when Harry mitt Sally was selected for preservation

1986
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,320
Speaker 2: in the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress,

1987
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 2: I made sure to add that for you. Thank you,

1988
01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 2: thank you. You know, it's deeply important to me.

1989
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,840
Speaker 1: I love when famous actors admit that they have not

1990
01:39:17,080 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 1: seen one of the most iconic movies, either at all

1991
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: or since the premiere. I feel like it happens a lot.

1992
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 2: I feel like most actors have been through filmed so

1993
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 2: many movies that they thought were good based on their

1994
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 2: scenes or there or the script, and then have been

1995
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 2: burned by finding out what a piece of dog it

1996
01:39:34,280 --> 01:39:36,559
Speaker 2: was in the final product. That it's quite understandable they

1997
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 2: would shy away from it.

1998
01:39:38,120 --> 01:39:40,759
Speaker 1: That's that's true. Yeah, Well, was there that Gwyneth Paltrow

1999
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: clip that went viral a couple of years ago where

2000
01:39:42,600 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 1: she was like, wait, I was in like one of

2001
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,640
Speaker 1: the Marvel movies and she was I think she was

2002
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:48,439
Speaker 1: either doing a podcast or I think her.

2003
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,040
Speaker 2: Daughter or someone else reminded her like you were in

2004
01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 2: Iron Man three something.

2005
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 1: Wasn't it, Like what do you mean? It's like, no, yeah,

2006
01:39:55,760 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 1: you were love that and hate that two things gonna

2007
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: meet you at the same time. I'm learning to hold

2008
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:09,679
Speaker 1: tension and hold space for conflicting emotions. When Harry met

2009
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: Sally was later adopted into a stage show that premiered

2010
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 1: in London's West End in two thousand and four. Harry

2011
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 1: and Sally were played respectably by Luke Perry Rip and

2012
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:22,800
Speaker 1: Alison Hannigan, the latter of whom kind of makes sense

2013
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: to me because of how I met your mother. That

2014
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,599
Speaker 1: whole connection that kind of makes sense. The actors were

2015
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 1: later replaced by Michael Lanz, who I was not familiar

2016
01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:33,200
Speaker 1: with until I looked him up and I realized that

2017
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,519
Speaker 1: he played Kevin Arnold's rival for the hand of Winnie

2018
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: Cooper on The Wonder Years And therefore you hate him, yeah,

2019
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:43,519
Speaker 1: basically and Molly Ringwald, who was also an early pick

2020
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:45,840
Speaker 1: to play Sally in the movie. So the order of

2021
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:52,360
Speaker 1: the universe, according to Rob Reiner, has been restored. Good

2022
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 1: and all was well So I mean my vitamin C supplements,

2023
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:00,040
Speaker 1: Oh good.

2024
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 2: Good, No, when Harry met Sally with a launching pad

2025
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 2: for Meg Ryan as a rom com queen, she would

2026
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 2: go on to star and three more projects penned by

2027
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 2: Nora Efron nineteen ninety three, Sleepless in Seattle nineteen ninety eights,

2028
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:20,120
Speaker 2: You've Got Mail, and a third film that doesn't exist

2029
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:21,960
Speaker 2: two thousands hanging up.

2030
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:25,080
Speaker 1: Two out of three ain't bad, Meg, Nora. I think

2031
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: it was Walter Mathow's last movie. That's the only reason

2032
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:33,040
Speaker 1: why it holds any space for me. Depressing Wait, yes,

2033
01:41:33,120 --> 01:41:36,920
Speaker 1: Nora Fron movie. Oh no, that was Walter Landau's last movie.

2034
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:41,320
Speaker 1: Was Edward martin Landau. Martin Landau. But I get it.

2035
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 1: Kind of tall, lanky, weird face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

2036
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:51,160
Speaker 1: We regret back there, but I understand too much information

2037
01:41:51,240 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 1: regrets the air.

2038
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 2: Fittingly, it was the scene shot when Harry and Sally

2039
01:41:58,160 --> 01:42:00,560
Speaker 2: run into each other in the Shakespeare and Co. Bookstore

2040
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:03,040
Speaker 2: that actually inspired Nora Efron to write, You've got mail.

2041
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 2: Inspiration struck her when the location of that bookstore chain

2042
01:42:07,160 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 2: is it a chain or just the look.

2043
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: Uh local chain. There's like a couple of them. I

2044
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 1: think it's one of friends too. Actually, you didn't need

2045
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:15,559
Speaker 1: to know that so now.

2046
01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 2: Inspiration struck Nora when the Shakespeare in Co location from

2047
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 2: a film closed down shortly after Barnes and Noble opened

2048
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 2: up nearby, which became the subplot of the movie When

2049
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Harry met saliol So teasday future Rob Ryner project, Harry

2050
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,639
Speaker 2: can be seen reading Stephen King's Misery, which Reiner would

2051
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:35,759
Speaker 2: make the following year, starring James Kahn and Kathy Bates.

2052
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 2: As I said earlier, a very different kind of rom com.

2053
01:42:40,040 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 1: I can't tell, well, I can't tell if it was

2054
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 1: just a visual joke because Harry's reading it alone. The

2055
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,600
Speaker 1: paperwork must have been in place for that. Come on,

2056
01:42:48,640 --> 01:42:51,400
Speaker 1: it's Stephen King. But it's a good bit because he's

2057
01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:53,920
Speaker 1: alone in his apartment and he's newly divorced, and he's

2058
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,920
Speaker 1: just reading a giant book that says misery on it.

2059
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. Two things get with you at the

2060
01:42:58,320 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 1: same time.

2061
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,000
Speaker 2: Too much information, Two things can be true. At the

2062
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 2: same time, Ryner also included a conspicuously placed copy of

2063
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 2: VHS copy of When Harry Met Sally during a scene

2064
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 2: in Misery set in a video rental store, which is

2065
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 2: very funny.

2066
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Well mercifully. Rob Ryder never wanted to revisit When Harry

2067
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Met Sally, and nor did Nora Ephron or Billy Crystal

2068
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: or Meg Ryan. Billy Crystal later told Variety, as we

2069
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:29,160
Speaker 1: get older, what would the movie be about when Harry

2070
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,799
Speaker 1: left Sally, when Sally got sick?

2071
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:36,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know, I know, I know.

2072
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: Just let them be happy and where everybody wants them

2073
01:43:39,160 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: to be, for all of us who believe in happily

2074
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:48,479
Speaker 1: ever after, that's where they are. They're in hell. Rob

2075
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:50,840
Speaker 1: Ryiner weighed in on the thirtieth anniversary of the film

2076
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:53,600
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, when speaking on a panel at the

2077
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: Turner Classic Movies Classic Film Festival. He said that the

2078
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: pair were indeed still together. That doesn't mean they have

2079
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,000
Speaker 1: had tremendous ups and downs or a bit on the

2080
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:04,960
Speaker 1: verge of divorce and got back together, just like any relationship.

2081
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:09,560
Speaker 1: But I do think they're still together. And finally, I

2082
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 1: guess this leads us to the central question of the film,

2083
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:15,759
Speaker 1: can men and women just be friends? The two leads

2084
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:17,920
Speaker 1: more or less took the point of view of their characters.

2085
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,880
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan gave her opinion to USA Today, Yes, men

2086
01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:23,640
Speaker 1: and women can just be friends. I have a lot

2087
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 1: of platonic male friends, and sex doesn't get in the way.

2088
01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:29,759
Speaker 1: Billy Crystal, on the other hand, said, I'm a little

2089
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:32,719
Speaker 1: more optimistic than Harry, but I think it's difficult. Men

2090
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 1: basically act like stray dogs in front of a supermarket.

2091
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:39,759
Speaker 1: I do platonic female friends, but not best best friends.

2092
01:44:40,200 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 2: Hmmmm, I'm going to google. Do you think he's talking

2093
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 2: about Rob Renner?

2094
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think they're still tight Billy Crystal friends.

2095
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna get a guest appearance on Friends.

2096
01:44:54,080 --> 01:45:00,639
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's true, Billy Yeah. Oh well, Robin Williams

2097
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:08,200
Speaker 2: apparently Billy Crystal women friends. No, that's just that's just clips.

2098
01:45:11,320 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 2: Is Billy Crystal.

2099
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:22,799
Speaker 1: A good person? Friends with a woman? Still nothing? Still nothing?

2100
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 2: If you were a loved one, identify as female and

2101
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 2: our friends with Billy Crystal, please get in touch by

2102
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:31,719
Speaker 2: Twitter and we'll.

2103
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:32,839
Speaker 1: Venmo you five bucks.

2104
01:45:34,160 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 2: Actually, I already transferred my bank at my Venmo balance

2105
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:39,920
Speaker 2: this week, Jordan, that's on you, buddy, all right, I

2106
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:40,240
Speaker 2: got you.

2107
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: Well. Before we wrap it up today, we got to

2108
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:45,400
Speaker 1: give the final word to our guests and hear their

2109
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:48,679
Speaker 1: thoughts on a When Harry Met Sally sequel. Okay, picture

2110
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 1: me as a sleazy executive. You guys are pitching When

2111
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: Harry Met Sally two? Meat harder.

2112
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 3: What do you got who to play emmy? A T

2113
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 3: or E E E T.

2114
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's up to you or the creatives.

2115
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm just the money man.

2116
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 3: Okay, what are you? What do you want from us

2117
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 3: to tell you what it's going to be about?

2118
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 1: An outline? A pitch? Pitch me impress, wow me right.

2119
01:46:15,880 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 3: Me.

2120
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 4: No one had to do that for the first film,

2121
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:18,599
Speaker 4: so why do we have to do that for the second.

2122
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 1: The patriarchy, I don't know.

2123
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 3: They got to make it themselves. Uh, I don't know.

2124
01:46:27,880 --> 01:46:30,600
Speaker 3: They they're broken up. They're both separated.

2125
01:46:31,400 --> 01:46:35,200
Speaker 4: They been separated, an alter for like ten years or something.

2126
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,000
Speaker 4: Was it wasn't there what you said? An alternate ending?

2127
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:39,479
Speaker 3: What was that?

2128
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:40,639
Speaker 4: Wasn't it like something where.

2129
01:46:40,439 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 1: They like the original ending was gonna be that they

2130
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:45,160
Speaker 1: break up and then they meet on the street and

2131
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: then they they literally go in opposite a breakup.

2132
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 3: That's literally the end of the day.

2133
01:46:50,400 --> 01:46:52,559
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about this and Vince Vaughan,

2134
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:53,360
Speaker 1: which was.

2135
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 3: An alternate ending from the original one that they had.

2136
01:46:56,720 --> 01:46:59,400
Speaker 1: Oh, they were going to get together, and the original.

2137
01:46:59,160 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 3: One was they were The original one was they were

2138
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:04,720
Speaker 3: both like with other people, and I think of the

2139
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:10,160
Speaker 3: actual ending, only one of them was or Sea. Yeah,

2140
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 3: so in the original one they were both with people,

2141
01:47:12,240 --> 01:47:16,440
Speaker 3: and apparently focus groups were like never but they tolerated

2142
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 3: them just running into each other on the street.

2143
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 2: They should have done the ending from Meet Joe Black,

2144
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 2: where they look at each other a couple of times

2145
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 2: and they miss each other and then he walks out

2146
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 2: in the street and gets bounced around by a taxi cab.

2147
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:26,840
Speaker 3: That's truly ed.

2148
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that the ending you had, buddy? Come on,

2149
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 2: you're on Twitter. You had to have seen that.

2150
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen it. I didn't know that was the ending.

2151
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:39,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well for him just almost wasn't there, just like

2152
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:41,400
Speaker 3: a little bit after, because it was like, now he's dead.

2153
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:43,280
Speaker 3: That was a lot, you know what.

2154
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Speaker 2: Actually, the only reason that's on my mind is because

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Speaker 2: I saw the part of him doing the Jamaican accent

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01:47:47,439 --> 01:47:48,639
Speaker 2: from from that movie.

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Speaker 3: Little Kidding.

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01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jordan, Uh.

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so okay, so exactly, we have thirty seconds

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01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,519
Speaker 3: in the elevator. Here's what it's gonna be. You gotta

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01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:06,240
Speaker 3: green light it. They broke up. It's been ten years, okay,

2162
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 3: and they both have lived their lives and they run

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01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 3: into each other in New York City of course.

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01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:25,080
Speaker 4: Okay. They both have kids from donors. They and their

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01:48:25,160 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 4: kids are dating.

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01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: This is their friends.

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01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:34,559
Speaker 4: I don't know, Okay, I wasn't prepared.

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Speaker 1: I mean, their kids are like thirty. Now, there you go.

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01:48:39,120 --> 01:48:41,639
Speaker 3: They met in a support So it's when Harry's kids

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01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 3: meet Sally's kids. That's the title. It really rolls off

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Speaker 3: the tongue.

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01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: Cheaper by this. Sally Nope, okay, okay.

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01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 3: Harry and Sally's kids are all right, Sally less in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. I think I'd like to petition

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01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 1: one of them dies. Who one of the kids.

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01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 3: Turns out they had a twin. Wait, no, one of

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01:49:06,760 --> 01:49:08,800
Speaker 3: Sally or Harry dies. One of them they had a

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01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:09,719
Speaker 3: twin they didn't know about.

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Speaker 2: Probably Harry, like statistically, because he's the man, right, how

2180
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:16,839
Speaker 2: it works Statistically, men die way earlier.

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01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 4: Oh I thought even men are more likely to have

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Speaker 4: a twin.

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01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: I can't back that up.

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01:49:24,160 --> 01:49:25,600
Speaker 3: That would be insane.

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01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 2: Is it like a Weekend Bernie's situation where they have

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01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 2: to like pretend that they're together to get like the

2187
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 2: inheritance or something. Is it like a kind of con

2188
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 2: comedy angle here, or it's just that she then falls

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01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:35,000
Speaker 2: in love with a twin.

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01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 4: Or does she fall and his friends are holding him

2191
01:49:38,880 --> 01:49:42,240
Speaker 4: up pretending like he's real, just.

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01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 1: Like Weekended Harry's har.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Actually, okay, race everything I've just said, Okay, don't

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01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:52,839
Speaker 3: spend ten years, fifteen years whatever. They have no children,

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01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,439
Speaker 3: they've broken up, and it's they're at a new they

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01:49:55,479 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 3: happen to see each.

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01:49:56,120 --> 01:49:57,800
Speaker 4: Other at a New Year's Eve party, oh another and

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01:49:57,840 --> 01:49:59,160
Speaker 4: they're like, okay.

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01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you've got to tie it somehow to the first.

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01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:06,160
Speaker 3: And then it's just kind of like, okay, are we've

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01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,960
Speaker 3: like kind of lived our lives. We're in like later stages.

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01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:11,920
Speaker 3: It's like that, what's that stupid movie that I hate

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01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,200
Speaker 3: to turn it off? It was so bad. No, I

2204
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 3: love that movie. That's how Molly in it.

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01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:17,599
Speaker 1: It does.

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01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:23,880
Speaker 3: Smallville supermand it's i can't remember, but it's a uh,

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01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:26,040
Speaker 3: it's some Jack Nicholson's.

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01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,240
Speaker 2: In it, the sweetest thing.

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01:50:28,600 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: Something, Something's gonna get, Something's gonna give it.

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01:50:31,120 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, no matter as good as it gets. Where it's like,

2211
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:35,080
Speaker 3: is that the one Dinana.

2212
01:50:34,920 --> 01:50:37,240
Speaker 1: Keaton I think Something's gotta give is with Doan Kings.

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01:50:37,439 --> 01:50:38,879
Speaker 1: I guess when he is sorry.

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01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 4: We've reached my floor, so I don't have ti to

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01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:41,679
Speaker 4: hear this anymore.

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01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:51,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, this pitch is exactly how my pitch is normally. Okay,

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01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 3: I'm not pitching it anymore. This idea is gold. I'm

2218
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:59,000
Speaker 3: gonna take it any Yeah.

2219
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 1: A show that we wanted to pitch, which was just

2220
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 1: every episode as we take a movie and spend the

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01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 1: entire episode just spitballing sequels, and I really I do

2222
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:10,840
Speaker 1: want to do that. We should do this.

2223
01:51:10,760 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 4: This has proved anything, It's that it's great.

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01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean in mind, I think I think

2225
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 2: Sally Goes is putting witness protection because of her role

2226
01:51:19,720 --> 01:51:20,320
Speaker 2: in Watergate.

2227
01:51:20,360 --> 01:51:24,040
Speaker 1: Comes out and Harry has Remember he.

2228
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:27,040
Speaker 2: Was an attorney, so he's now transitioned into doing uh

2229
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 2: because he was consulting I think for the no business consultant. Anyway,

2230
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 2: he's transitioned into working with the government now, and he

2231
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 2: actually finds Hair Sally's cover. And then Chris Evans and

2232
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:42,840
Speaker 2: Sandra Bullock come in as opposing agents from Russia and

2233
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 2: the Secret Service or another government wing, and they are

2234
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 2: both trying to find Sally first, and Harry is in

2235
01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:58,360
Speaker 2: there too, and Addison Ray is in there and she's yeah.

2236
01:51:58,360 --> 01:52:00,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And who else is hot right now?

2237
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 3: Now?

2238
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:07,880
Speaker 1: Uh? Sally Cross with mister and missus Smith. No, because

2239
01:52:07,880 --> 01:52:09,640
Speaker 1: now you're making it plausible, and I just want to

2240
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 1: make it weird.

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01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, like maybe she's like Sally's on the run and

2242
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:14,360
Speaker 4: Harry's like, I got a helper.

2243
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:15,320
Speaker 3: We used to be in love.

2244
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:19,440
Speaker 1: And when Thelma met Louise and Harry.

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01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:22,679
Speaker 4: Was there too, and he stopped the car from going

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01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:23,240
Speaker 4: off the cliff.

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01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:25,320
Speaker 3: Audiences love long titles.

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01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 1: They do. Plays Melancholy Baby.

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01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:29,599
Speaker 3: I hear about them.

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01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:33,759
Speaker 2: When Harry met Sally again and they're old. Plays melancholy Baby.

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01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:39,960
Speaker 1: That's that's my title, okayutes five minutes? Final thoughts should

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01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:40,200
Speaker 1: we do it?

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01:52:40,840 --> 01:52:43,160
Speaker 4: Final thoughts for you guys like Jerry Springer.

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01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,280
Speaker 1: Jerry Springer, Jerry Springer, Final thoughts.

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01:52:46,439 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 4: You know, in a world without chemistry, right, he died.

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01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,280
Speaker 1: He did die. Oh yeah, we did an episode on him.

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01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, he was a mayor of Cincinnati for a

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01:52:55,000 --> 01:53:05,120
Speaker 1: brief til he lived a life just in pie. Wait

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01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 1: is he can you? I don't know. We did this.

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01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 1: We we did this. We did this The Death of

2261
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:13,320
Speaker 1: the Boomer Dream.

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01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:16,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did this whole episode about how on him,

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01:53:16,720 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 2: and I I kind of thought that, like, you know,

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01:53:18,040 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 2: he was like more or less like an idealistic young

2265
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:24,000
Speaker 2: guy who then became like the most parasitic, lowest common denominator,

2266
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:28,200
Speaker 2: feeding the worst impulses of the country, like TV jerk

2267
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 2: for just like.

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01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Miles, sitting on piles and piles of his money. So

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01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 3: Final thoughts anyway, all right, Yeah, final thought is, thank

2271
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:40,360
Speaker 3: god Jerry's dead did not have to hear this.

2272
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:45,320
Speaker 1: I'll say to his face, like I did up his grain.

2273
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:48,559
Speaker 1: Got a board in the Connecticut.

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01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,880
Speaker 3: Have Harry and Sally animate his corps so I can

2275
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 3: tell him you just like the Jerry met Sally.

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01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:58,599
Speaker 4: Do we need final thoughts after that?

2277
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 1: Oh? Well, that that's our pitch. This is okay.

2278
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,439
Speaker 3: I do have a legitimate final thought. Okay, as much

2279
01:54:06,479 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 3: as I was not into the lack of chemistry. I

2280
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,680
Speaker 3: will say this movie gives you like some of the

2281
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 3: classic rom com tropes that we like crave, like the

2282
01:54:19,520 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 3: scene which I think was on the cover if I

2283
01:54:21,479 --> 01:54:24,839
Speaker 3: remember seeing the DVD and Blockbuster with like the leaves,

2284
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 3: the Beautiful fall Leaves, and like New York City. I'm sorry,

2285
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:30,560
Speaker 3: New York City is a character.

2286
01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 1: It is the main character.

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01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 3: It's one of the lead character. It should be credited,

2288
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:39,160
Speaker 3: it should be starring New York City.

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01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 4: I don't see New York City and hear a little

2290
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:47,320
Speaker 4: bit of New Jazz. I'm not in Okay, I'm out

2291
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:48,200
Speaker 4: getting out of here.

2292
01:54:48,360 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 3: This it's not a roma.

2293
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:52,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you guys are both writers. Like do you

2294
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,200
Speaker 2: actually like like the repartee in this movie? Do you

2295
01:54:55,240 --> 01:55:00,400
Speaker 2: think it qualifies as like a classic of the genre, yeah,

2296
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,040
Speaker 2: said said.

2297
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 3: Think back to it. Yeah. I also, I will say, like,

2298
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:07,240
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that kind of holds

2299
01:55:07,240 --> 01:55:10,560
Speaker 3: me back from loving this movie is that they spend

2300
01:55:10,680 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 3: so little time being attracted to each other, Like so

2301
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:16,400
Speaker 3: much of it is just thumbing friends, which I understand

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01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 3: is like the premise, but like comes it's like guy

2303
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 3: meets girl. The whole movie is like them like trying

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01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 3: to figure out how to be in a relationship or whatever,

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01:55:25,400 --> 01:55:26,800
Speaker 3: and so I think that kind of threw me off.

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01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 3: But I think, I mean, Billy Crystal has that kind

2307
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 3: of like kind of like Vince Vannie of like this

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01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,440
Speaker 3: always has like something to say, like I feel like

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01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 3: he's Vince Bond before Vince von was around.

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01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:41,840
Speaker 4: But yes, yeah, there's not enough tension in the build up.

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01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, yeah, I would actually agree with that.

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01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 2: There's no there's just no heat in there. You don't

2313
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:48,840
Speaker 2: see them like making eyes at each other or kind

2314
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:50,360
Speaker 2: of like elevatorizing each.

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01:55:50,240 --> 01:55:52,760
Speaker 4: Other game night, the game night scene, there's like a

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01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:56,160
Speaker 4: little bit of that, like they're like I always brings.

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01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:59,160
Speaker 3: It out in the breakup they had a game.

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01:55:59,240 --> 01:56:05,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, wow, Okay, we solved that breakup is just a rip.

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01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:06,920
Speaker 1: Off now it is.

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01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 3: It really is just copy and paste in the script.

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01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's our final thought. Yeah. Perfect, you guys.

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01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Thank you guys both.

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01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 2: This has been so much fun on this has been

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01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 2: well folks. Thank you for listening to too much information.

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Speaker 2: Special guest edition with Brooke Siffern and Arisha Skidmore Williams

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Speaker 2: of podcast Even the Rich.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to check it out and.

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Speaker 2: Plays melancholy for baby, I'm really still Harry Connock Jr.

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Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Harry Connick Journey to play us out, and.

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Speaker 1: My name is Harry Connick Jr. We'll get you next time.

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