Speaker 1: There's a there's something that there are some hook they're
Speaker 1: so fucking ugly. I'm like, bro, do not come near
Speaker 1: me wearing those shoes like you're gonna you're gonna hook,
Speaker 1: You're gonna say the N word. I don't know why
Speaker 1: they're so dripless that they freak me the fuck out,
Speaker 1: which is funny because they have ones that are super cool,
Speaker 1: but there's some that just looks so fucking hokah that
Speaker 1: they freak me out. It's like wearing like an underarm
Speaker 1: or camo hoodie near this conversations about to go. I
Speaker 1: had a one friend who's like, I had to do it, man,
Speaker 1: It's like my feet, bro, just like you know, my
Speaker 1: my orthopedis was like I have to wear these shoes
Speaker 1: and I'm like it's fine, bro, and he's like he's
Speaker 1: like they just look really bad. I'm like, you look comfortable.
Speaker 1: Did you get the shitty ones? Was like, okay, you
Speaker 1: do have to buy these, And unfortunately they have to
Speaker 1: be the ones that look like shit. That's actually part
Speaker 1: of it for me. It does it have to have
Speaker 1: this thin blue line logo like these are custom, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you these are pret you need these specific ones,
Speaker 1: dude like Holkas Thin Blue Line collab, Hoka x Thin
Speaker 1: Blue Line Yo. One one shoe is thin Blue Line,
Speaker 1: the other ones All lives matter? What is this? Dude?
Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three, seventy eight,
Speaker 1: Episode two of der Nightley's Dice. It's a production ByHeart Radio.
Speaker 1: It's a podcast where we take a deep dab into
Speaker 1: American share capchiness. And it's Tuesday, March fourth, twenty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the fourth be with Nope, that's not the one. No,
Speaker 1: go ahead, let me try the fourth be with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's try that. It's also National Sun's Day. And then
Speaker 1: it's also and you'll have to forgive me. There's just
Speaker 1: a lot of Reich vibes in the air. It's also
Speaker 1: Fast Knocked Day, and I was like, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is that? That's actually it's the day before ash Wednesday,
Speaker 1: not Fast in the Night. So yes, that's what that's
Speaker 1: what that means. I was like, what the fuck is
Speaker 1: going on here? It's also Marching Music Day. Shout out
Speaker 1: marching bands. That's me. It's Fat Tuesday. This would be
Speaker 1: the day before as Wednesday, National Grammar Day, National hug
Speaker 1: a g I Day, unless you're the Veterans Affairs Department,
Speaker 1: in which case you're like, y'all need to get the
Speaker 1: funk away from our way, and you're making us nervous. Stop.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for doing violence in service of
Speaker 1: the empire. Please get away with the pro hugs.
Speaker 2: Like we're going to replace all v A Care.
Speaker 1: With with hugs. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to cancel the Veterans Suicide Hotline and
Speaker 2: replace it children with Huh.
Speaker 1: But you guys hug each other. We're not doing the hugging. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not involved with that, just like can you figure
Speaker 1: that on your own? Now? So National pound.
Speaker 2: Cake Day, dude, I love pound cake. Yeah sorry, I
Speaker 2: just want to remind everyone that a cold Sarahly pound
Speaker 2: cake with strawberries and ice cream or what, it's just
Speaker 2: a classic. It's yummy.
Speaker 1: Turn it down. My mom, like whenever I had strawberries
Speaker 1: and stuff, she never did like that thing where I've
Speaker 1: noticed in the American households or like in a dessert context,
Speaker 1: you put a little sugar and like like a little
Speaker 1: syrup like with the strawberries to get them tasting sweeter,
Speaker 1: like for a little topping. The first time I had that,
Speaker 1: I thought the person was like drugging because I couldn't
Speaker 1: believe that the strawberries were like so sweet. And I
Speaker 1: just remember my immigrant mother being like, I would never
Speaker 1: put you what he talked about. It's fruit. It doesn't
Speaker 1: need more sugar.
Speaker 2: But then when you in the middle of you were like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna finish this. But if they're drugging me, it's.
Speaker 1: Fine, Yeah, it's fine whatever. Yeah, yeah, a little sugar
Speaker 1: on this dessert. Sprinkle a little sugar on this shit.
Speaker 1: I mean that ship it's dope because strawberries, most of
Speaker 1: the time, they never taste like what you want them
Speaker 1: to be, especially as a kid. You're you're you're expecting
Speaker 1: the most intensely sweet fruit and then it just ends
Speaker 1: up not being that. With this.
Speaker 2: Nice fresh strawberry, it looks like it's slept over from
Speaker 2: a child.
Speaker 1: That's one of his canker sores. He just pulled his
Speaker 1: lip down. How is my little slice strawberry from my
Speaker 1: olmah shout out to my mother in law. Yeah sweet,
Speaker 1: super sweet, damn all right, let me come come over.
Speaker 1: I dipped it in a vanilla frosting, so that's how
Speaker 1: I get down. Now it's just pure uncut fruit. Damn.
Speaker 1: Actually did look halved, so you can't say it was halved. Mmm.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to our listeners who don't like people chewing
Speaker 1: on Mike. Yeah, you mentioned you mentioned fruit. I've got
Speaker 1: it at end. Yes, I am fucking bawling. Anyways, my
Speaker 1: name is Jack O'Brien aga. Well, it seems to me
Speaker 1: you missed that drone. Now your sandals in the wind?
Speaker 1: That one courtesy of Elton John and Blinky Hack on
Speaker 1: the discord, in reference to the Drake Cliff allegedly fake
Speaker 1: where so fluid drone to his penthouse, zoomed in on
Speaker 1: his laptop, He came out, threw his sandal off the roof.
Speaker 1: I don't be an attempt to take the drone down.
Speaker 1: I don't. I still can't. My problem is not like, well,
Speaker 1: it didn't look it looked fake as hell. It looked
Speaker 1: faked as hell. I don't know what he to what end?
Speaker 1: Was he faking it? Is my question because he didn't
Speaker 1: make it. The other thing is I did do this, AKA.
Speaker 1: So that's two days in a row people have heard
Speaker 1: that AKA, but I think we will leave its worth it. Heck,
Speaker 1: great work on double dip the Double Dip Award for
Speaker 1: Blinky Heck, I'm thrilled to be joined as always by
Speaker 1: my co host, mister Miles brad Well. It seems to
Speaker 1: me that you live your life now, your sandal's in
Speaker 1: the wind. Let's do it three times blink, God damn,
Speaker 1: let's go for it. Yeah. That was a terrible, terrible,
Speaker 1: fake staged thing for Steak. Drake also posted over the
Speaker 1: weekend just a Steak logo and was basically like, bro,
Speaker 1: they I need two million dollars to win, and they
Speaker 1: they'll give it to me if I just post this.
Speaker 1: It's an ad. I'm desperate, Okay, moving on.
Speaker 2: He's selling Omaha steaks now, yeah he's he is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's coupon's Kirkland brand coupons like Costco coupons to Omaha steak.
Speaker 1: No, not even just yeah. I wish they were useful.
Speaker 1: It's purely self serving. He's like, folks, I have an
Speaker 1: online slot machine problem. This is why I'm posting this
Speaker 1: on Maine. Leave me alone. And by the time it
Speaker 1: got to me, the screen was blurred out, so it
Speaker 1: just looked like he was looking at porn. Like they
Speaker 1: caught him looking at porn. I think someone was just like,
Speaker 1: we're not letting you do this ad here? Right. I
Speaker 1: think that was just a smart thing to be.
Speaker 2: Like, nah, no this is Is this an ad for
Speaker 2: a shirt with a swastik on it?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 2: No, I no, no, can't.
Speaker 1: On social media, miles were thrilled to be joined once
Speaker 1: again in our third see by a brilliant comedian, writer, journalist,
Speaker 1: activists you know from plays like Al Jazeera, MSNBC, The
Speaker 1: Young Turks and from the podcast The Situation Room. It's
Speaker 1: Francesca Furantina to say, is it tail right?
Speaker 2: Will watch this with what Jahad Ali Tuesdays and Thursdays
Speaker 2: on YouTube eight pm Easter and five pm Pacific. Yeah, it's,
Speaker 2: as we're calling it, America unhinged. We're looking at the
Speaker 2: first hundred days of Trump's administration. There goes my mental health.
Speaker 1: Wait, what happens on the after one hundred days they
Speaker 1: cancel the show?
Speaker 2: Well, it's all exactly. It gets canceled because we fixed
Speaker 2: it and it's all better and our analysis has made
Speaker 2: everything right.
Speaker 1: I don't know, like a network goes well, you guys
Speaker 1: said it was about the first hundred days, so we
Speaker 1: didn't renew it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Look, we'll see if Zeitel wants to
Speaker 2: keep us on, but either way everyone should check it
Speaker 2: out so you know we have more reason to stay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's many Hassan's network, right, Yes, it is. Well,
Speaker 1: speaking of fixed it, I don't know if you saw,
Speaker 1: but the Democrats have fixed it. We'll be talking about
Speaker 1: that in a little bit. But they they figured out
Speaker 1: how to after you know, being the part of the
Speaker 1: brand behind move on, or they have figured out how
Speaker 1: to move on. They have a path forward and it
Speaker 1: is it's it's about what you would expect from them,
Speaker 1: exactly what you would expect from them if quite literally, yeah,
Speaker 1: if they were just incapable of learning like any lessons
Speaker 1: from their own failures, I'm so scared. Well, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about that. We'll say a fond farewell to Skype, all
Speaker 1: of that plenty more, But before we get to any
Speaker 1: of that franchise, but we do like to ask our guests,
Speaker 1: what is something from your search history that's revealing about
Speaker 1: who you are?
Speaker 2: Can you feed a cat dog food?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Why did this happen? Why did I search this? Because
Speaker 2: my husband at leab like the equivalent of my wife. Well,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's millennia, saying my husband, my husband, Okay, husband,
Speaker 2: he bought the the.
Speaker 3: Dog food for the cat, and so I wanted to know,
Speaker 3: can you feed that the cat's dog food? It turns
Speaker 3: out you can, but it doesn't have the proper nutrients,
Speaker 3: so only for a little bit. And that little bit
Speaker 3: was this morning when she puked.
Speaker 1: Oh really, wait, so because it's so good different, No, the.
Speaker 2: Puking was definitely because she got a good can of
Speaker 2: food this morning and she liked it, so she scarfed
Speaker 2: it too fast. But then I immediately was like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's been five days of us knowing that this is
Speaker 2: dog food, maybe like a week or fifteen days of
Speaker 2: it actually being dog food, and so we need to
Speaker 2: swap this shit out. So yes, but yes, there are
Speaker 2: some nutrients that cats need. The dogs don't. Dogs I
Speaker 2: think can eat more veggies. They're like dogs are super down.
Speaker 2: And in fact, it's good to feed dogs like colorful
Speaker 2: foods like carrots and sweet potatoes. That stuff is good
Speaker 2: for them. But cats need just meat they need oh wow, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also I've been looking up cat health insurance and
Speaker 2: it's also a racket. Everything about vet insurance is a
Speaker 2: fucking racket. Everything about veterinary care and animal care is
Speaker 2: a racket. And yeah, you know, but I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: like it's awful. I'm like, okay, you know what, go
Speaker 2: under the house and die, you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 2: that's just.
Speaker 1: That's how veterinarians feel too. They're like, it's so fun.
Speaker 1: I can't even give care because the fucking mandate I
Speaker 1: get from the corporate overlords is to just like be like, dude,
Speaker 1: just deny anything. Just tell them the pets are gonna die.
Speaker 1: You can't do anything for him because it's too We're
Speaker 1: not going to cover that.
Speaker 2: Shiit just no, it is so wild, Like two hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty dollars for a urine test. Excuse me, how
Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty dollars to test the urine for you?
Speaker 1: My exactly, sh it tastes off. I'll know right away
Speaker 1: exactly less than two hundred and sixty bucks.
Speaker 2: No, But seriously, I'm just like, can we I understand obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, free Luigi, we need universal medicare for all.
Speaker 2: We need to abolish the private h you know, healthcare
Speaker 2: system in this country. But also we need medicare for
Speaker 2: all for cats. So yes, a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of feline stuff in my search history.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, the Democrats are not gonna like
Speaker 1: that talking point medicare for all four cats, Francisco. We're
Speaker 1: trying to we're trying to get that big D Democrat
Speaker 1: podcast or spot and I don't just do you, guys
Speaker 1: Rogan of the Left, please, we've already applied. They gave
Speaker 1: us a swift and unambiguous no, you may not. They
Speaker 1: said Jack wasn'tbelievable, was a tough guy, and I was
Speaker 1: quote not white. Yeah. I tried to act like I
Speaker 1: knew what m m A was an episode, Yeah you're
Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, it's pretty good for like depression, Like
Speaker 1: a lot of people are like tinkering with it. It
Speaker 1: was like an ecstasy. But now like m m A
Speaker 1: therapy is like really they're like get this all right?
Speaker 1: Well that's good to know. That's helpful information that we're
Speaker 1: learning up top. Franchisa, what's something you think is underrated?
Speaker 2: I guess I just love this person and she's my
Speaker 2: new favorite person. So I'm like, any accolades or any
Speaker 2: love she's getting is not nearly enough. But Cynthia Arrivo
Speaker 2: is the best thing ever and I am in love
Speaker 2: with her, and she's got an amazing voice, and hearing
Speaker 2: her perform, you know, defying gravity on the Oscar stage
Speaker 2: and just like crushing every single part of it, and
Speaker 2: just like her voice and like like that could keep
Speaker 2: me going. I just need to listen to that every morning,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I'll be okay. I feel like,
Speaker 2: all right, maybe I don't need to move to Ireland
Speaker 2: slash Costa Rica or wherever the hell. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I might go, like, maybe I'll be fine. We say,
Speaker 2: we fight, we defy gravity. She's just so talented and yes, yeah, whatever, Okay.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, Ariana Grech, she was gonna be
Speaker 2: my overrated but I like, I'm I don't want to
Speaker 2: make it hateful against her. I just like I want
Speaker 2: a Harold Cynthia Rivo and she deserves everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Ariana ground. I saw that bride'smaid sketch
Speaker 1: for the first time on SNL when they're talking about
Speaker 1: Domingo and yeah, well the original origin they came back.
Speaker 1: The first one was Ariana Grande and the way she
Speaker 1: killed those bad notes, I was like, it takes an
Speaker 1: amazing singer to do bad singing that well.
Speaker 2: She's also very funny, like I think as a comedic actress,
Speaker 2: she's really good. But Cynthia Rivo's voice, Cynthirivo's acting, Cynthiarivo
Speaker 2: just like as a person, as a vibe, as a
Speaker 2: like how how, I don't know. She's just so fly.
Speaker 2: I love it everything about her.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just remember being so shocked at how talented
Speaker 1: Cynthia Rivo was because I was like, so again unfamiliar
Speaker 1: with her game starting out, and then like just adding
Speaker 1: all these just talents on top of each other. I
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, Okay, I see you. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's little selfish. Actually how much how talented she is,
Speaker 1: it's too much, not fair.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't even see I didn't see Harriet, So
Speaker 2: I would like to go back and watch.
Speaker 1: It maybe for her, right, right, leave some for us,
Speaker 1: leave some clubs for us, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was me enjoying the Oscars thinking that she
Speaker 2: was incredible.
Speaker 1: Is what's something you think is overrated?
Speaker 2: I think the twenty twenty eight election is overrated, meaning
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna make it that far, and
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna happen. So I think everyone
Speaker 2: who's putting too much faith in electoralism to get us
Speaker 2: out of this massive hole is not thinking short term enough.
Speaker 1: But what about the mid terms that are coming up?
Speaker 1: Get to the mid terms.
Speaker 2: I think the midterms are good. I also think that
Speaker 2: this is an administration that will openly defy the.
Speaker 1: Will of Congress and define gravity and to fight gravity.
Speaker 1: That's actually what that sounds about. Yeah, exactly, the vaporization
Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 2: I mean, define gravity is about like not actually believing
Speaker 2: in gravity because it's a social construct and it's made up, and.
Speaker 1: So is electoral politics.
Speaker 2: Yes, just like electoral politics. But I'm like.
Speaker 1: Ideally interesting Rogan episodes about how gravity is a social
Speaker 1: construct if you just think about it, get high enough,
Speaker 1: and you're not getting you're not getting the part. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, he's really good.
Speaker 2: They already said no, but yeah, so I'm just like, ah,
Speaker 2: we need to stop like hoping and wishing and thinking
Speaker 2: about the future. It's it's like, I don't even know
Speaker 2: if this shit's going to hold till next week or
Speaker 2: a month from now. I'm looking at like the this
Speaker 2: year and for sure, the ability to override. You know,
Speaker 2: they'll they'll try to override whatever Congress wants. I'm excited
Speaker 2: to get all these Republicans who are being chanted down
Speaker 2: in town halls out of their seats in the midterms,
Speaker 2: and so that's really good. I do think the backlash
Speaker 2: will be swift and strong. But I like, I don't know, folks,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, it's like who knows.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like little If you can't.
Speaker 2: Stop him here, what is to like, stop relying on elections.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. The reason that we're fucking in this point
Speaker 2: is because we're like, well, you know what, well, well,
Speaker 2: when I get it at the ballot box, yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: he incited an erect insurrection in erection direction.
Speaker 1: He incited as you know, I mean, obviously Chuck Schumer
Speaker 1: is aroused, but he incited insurrection.
Speaker 2: That's illegal. He shouldn't be able to run for office
Speaker 2: under our constitution. Brazil just did it with Bolsonario. But
Speaker 2: you not like to leave it to the ballot, ballot.
Speaker 1: Leave it to the voters. It's so yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's not useful, it doesn't help anyone. It it also
Speaker 1: like can it I don't know, like you know a
Speaker 1: way it allows people to just sort of be like,
Speaker 1: don't just don't worry about it right now. It's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we need to be engaged right now. Like this isn't that,
Speaker 1: This isn't a thing you can put off and doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you have to go full blown panicking in the street.
Speaker 1: But to act as if there's going to be a
Speaker 1: tidy solution that you just show up on a Tuesday
Speaker 1: in November and it goes away. No, And the biggest
Speaker 1: problems in this country have not gone away because people
Speaker 1: showed up on a random Tuesday in November. It's just
Speaker 1: not how that shit works.
Speaker 2: No. And every single time he is allowed to run,
Speaker 2: which I think he will try to do again, it
Speaker 2: just further I don't know. I'm just like, how much
Speaker 2: renormalizing him And people are like, oh, well, he won't
Speaker 2: be able to run again. Of course he's gonna run again.
Speaker 2: Of course he's gonna try to run again. Of course
Speaker 2: he's going to extend. He's not a limits, he's not.
Speaker 1: Allowed too though, So I think we're good. Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So this is a thing that I also believe and
Speaker 1: have believed like since the like first three days of
Speaker 1: the administrators. I was like, oh, yeah, this is a rap,
Speaker 1: But like I am curious, like what does it look
Speaker 1: like when we don't have the election? Is it like
Speaker 1: just a sham election where all the rules are being
Speaker 1: bent and there's absolutely no you know, confidence that the
Speaker 1: votes are being counted. Maybe like some sort of federal
Speaker 1: author already comes and intervenes because they've like alleged all
Speaker 1: this voter fraud or what.
Speaker 2: Then there have to be elections. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: there have to be some some some mock elections like
Speaker 2: even you know, Putin's Russia as elections, right exactly. I
Speaker 2: mean I do think you know, when starlink has full
Speaker 2: control of like how we count our votes and centralizes that,
Speaker 2: you know, how do we think it's all going to
Speaker 2: come down? So yeah, I think there's just going to
Speaker 2: be like ballot stuffing but via data. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: my that's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not there's too much momentum for people to
Speaker 1: still think elections are needed, you know, that it can't
Speaker 1: just be like all right, we're not doing them anymore.
Speaker 1: And it was like, oh okay, because there's still there's
Speaker 1: still plenty of like conservatives that like still romanticize the
Speaker 1: idea of like winning at the ballot box.
Speaker 2: So and I also think that there could I mean,
Speaker 2: if if you want to stall elections or you want
Speaker 2: to not have them, you basically have to create some
Speaker 2: sort of either internal external war, so you spend elections, right,
Speaker 2: you used to spend elections because of wartime. So hey,
Speaker 2: if we're fighting the enemy from within, or if there's
Speaker 2: an actual invasion, or if we reclassify you know, everyone
Speaker 2: is terrorists, well then we're fighting a war on terror
Speaker 2: and we can't have an election because we're in the
Speaker 2: middle of a project that is, you know, fundamental to
Speaker 2: our national security. So like you can see how you
Speaker 2: know that is also a path.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they've been doing all the stuff they
Speaker 1: said they were going to do, all the bad stuff.
Speaker 1: They've been doing it like harder than anybody expected them
Speaker 1: to do it already in like the first month, and
Speaker 1: he did say we're not going to need to have
Speaker 1: elections or this is going to be the last time
Speaker 1: we have elections. So I again just feel like we
Speaker 1: should start taking them at their work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the the crisis like manufactured either by dismantling the
Speaker 1: entire infrastructure that makes the country safe and operable, safe
Speaker 1: and like functional or like whether it was he'll be
Speaker 1: just like a war, whether he's just like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like this, this would definitely give me more power, and
Speaker 1: he just seems to be all about accumulating as much
Speaker 1: power as possible. Yeah, I'm not sure on which one.
Speaker 1: It's really tired.
Speaker 2: You know, he's just tired lately. Just let elon do it.
Speaker 2: You know, he's such a little like he's good, he's
Speaker 2: so slump shouldered, right, you know, I know.
Speaker 1: That cabinet meeting where he was just on pause and
Speaker 1: he's just like and he's talking and I'll just look
Speaker 1: off a thousand yard stair off into the abyss because
Speaker 1: I'm not getting control anymore. But this is the rhythm.
Speaker 1: I mean, he gets in these adderall rhythms where he's
Speaker 1: like he'll he'll go away for a couple of days
Speaker 1: and then come back fucking just raging. We we know,
Speaker 1: we know how these rhythms work.
Speaker 2: He'd rather be golfing, and he actually, I mean I
Speaker 2: always think such a lib like yeah, like, oh, they'll
Speaker 2: talk about the golfing, But the fact that he's been golfing.
Speaker 1: This much is christ so much? They're like, well, he's
Speaker 1: he's breaking records for just even professional golfers golfing. Remember
Speaker 1: when him and bid him, We're like, I bet I
Speaker 1: bet I could beat you, and golf game sucks out
Speaker 1: of the sand. Cool. Cool, it's a cool system. I
Speaker 1: bet I bet my blood pumps at a higher pressure
Speaker 1: through my body than yours. My heart is strong. Let's
Speaker 1: let's try that. Okay. Yeah, somehow his like high blood
Speaker 1: pressure is keeping him alive. It's like there's all the
Speaker 1: all these like fucked up things, right, like mister yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Well, we do have an idea now of
Speaker 1: what things are going to look like going forward from
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. It is, unfortunately exactly what we expected. Uh,
Speaker 1: we'll take a quick break. We'll come back and talk
Speaker 1: about this little retreat that some center Dems went on
Speaker 1: that I feel like reveals the playbook going forward. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back and we're back. We're back, and so
Speaker 1: this third way sounds not at all nefarious. Group. That's like, guys,
Speaker 1: we've tried the Republican, we've tried the Democratic. What if
Speaker 1: we tried a third way that was also exactly like
Speaker 1: those two. Yeah, but like kind of an average of
Speaker 1: the two, kind of because they seem like they're more
Speaker 1: moderate than the mainstream Democratic Party. But miles in terms
Speaker 1: of like kind of the makeup of this group, who
Speaker 1: is powering this group? Where's the We've talked before about
Speaker 1: like the pod save guys talking about how when you're
Speaker 1: deciding if somebody is a good candidate for office, you
Speaker 1: go and they were saying this as a critique, but
Speaker 1: it's just the way, like and this is just the
Speaker 1: way it is. They're saying, like you just go through
Speaker 1: their phone and be like, Okay, that's a billion billionaire. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you actually do qualify you could be a candidate. What
Speaker 1: what does an organization like this look like? What's it's
Speaker 1: make leadership foundationally? And it's bones right, because this is
Speaker 1: a group that got together last month in uh Louden County,
Speaker 1: Louden County, Virginia to figure out how do we get
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party back on track? How do we reclaim
Speaker 1: the attention of the working class and the normal American person?
Speaker 1: And so this group the third way put this, you know,
Speaker 1: little retreat together with consultants and politicians, their board. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say the chairperson on the board of trustees
Speaker 1: of Thirdway dot Org is one Rachel Pritzker. Now you
Speaker 1: may you might be like, wait, I know that last name. Yes,
Speaker 1: because of a very it's a very dynastic, wealthy family
Speaker 1: hotel like the Hyatt hotels. JB. Pritzker, who's also the
Speaker 1: governor of Illinois, is her cousin. She is the chairperson.
Speaker 1: So we have somebody who comes from dynastic wealth as
Speaker 1: the chair of this group third Way. Then you just
Speaker 1: go through their board of trustees. It's either someone who
Speaker 1: comes from venture capital, someone who comes from Wall Street,
Speaker 1: or like an academic who gives it some sort of
Speaker 1: like intellectual credit or yeah, you know, like just just
Speaker 1: a little bit of what's the word I'm looking for, Uh,
Speaker 1: what I might help me intellectual bona fidees bona fide Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: Where it's like, well, we have this sociologist who's also
Speaker 1: on the board who talks about inequality. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: we won't do anything about it, but they are going
Speaker 1: to board. They have trustees, some sociologists from the Stanford
Speaker 1: MBA program. Yeah, that's like rich people win get over it.
Speaker 1: So they came together and Politico, who's also done a
Speaker 1: real interesting job of reporting since Trump has gone into office,
Speaker 1: has like sort of un They got a hold of
Speaker 1: this pdf that has like five pages of like their
Speaker 1: takeaways as they got together to do a mind meld,
Speaker 1: and it's so fucking disheartening, but also into it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before you go into it, because it's really awful.
Speaker 2: Let's just there's it's really important because the way this
Speaker 2: or peace was reported on, and even I misunderstood it
Speaker 2: when I first read it because it's been making the rounds,
Speaker 2: is that it was like they don't name the Third
Speaker 2: Way group like politicals like centrist Deems group or like
Speaker 2: leading Dems. It's very cagy, yeah, which makes it sound
Speaker 2: like a little bit broader, like more Democrats are buying
Speaker 2: into this, or that the DNC maybe have something to
Speaker 2: do with it, or the d triple C you know,
Speaker 2: and the fundraising arm had something to do with it. No,
Speaker 2: the Third Way is like notoriously awful, So I just
Speaker 2: want to name like it's it's not it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: where the rest of the party, although I have massive
Speaker 2: questions about where they're going to go, right, but they
Speaker 2: should definitely not listen to yes, the following recommendation.
Speaker 1: Right, I think what it is more than anything, shows
Speaker 1: that there is the fight for the Democratic Party is
Speaker 1: well and truly on, and right now the Centrists are
Speaker 1: making their case. They're trying to round the resources to
Speaker 1: be like it has to be this version of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. It can't be this fucking a fringe shit
Speaker 1: like that AOC is talking about, or stuff where they're
Speaker 1: talking about like taxing the wealthy. I'm sorry, I'm Rachel Pritzker,
Speaker 1: Like I can't have a bite taken out of my
Speaker 1: fortune because of this kind of shit. No, but let's
Speaker 1: make it sound like something good. So again, this was
Speaker 1: the third way is comeback retreat, and there's four sections
Speaker 1: takeaways on why Democrats have a cultural disconnect with the
Speaker 1: working class, Takeaways on why Democrats are not trusted by
Speaker 1: the working class, on the economy, then takeaways on how
Speaker 1: Democrats can reconnect culturally with the working class, and takeaways
Speaker 1: on how Democrats can rebuild economic trust with working class voters.
Speaker 2: Is this like they all were given a mirror and
Speaker 2: just had to hold it up to their own goddamn
Speaker 2: faces and were like, we are the reason that the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party is not connected to the world. It's like
Speaker 2: a do you guys remember the scene? And if I'm
Speaker 2: a big Fried Green Tomatoes fan, but like to like
Speaker 2: get to know your body like Kathy Bates, like has
Speaker 2: air and she looks at her vagina. Yeah, this is
Speaker 2: like they need to look at their faces. Look your
Speaker 2: bank account, look your face, look at your car, look
Speaker 2: at you know, like who you hang out with?
Speaker 1: Who is the person you know personally that you have
Speaker 1: in your phone book that you interact with as a person. Yes,
Speaker 1: and not a service provider, right, just as just as
Speaker 1: a question, I think that should be the first question
Speaker 1: rather how many billionaires you know? Your phone cap and
Speaker 1: berated the Direct TV guy the other day, Does that count? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I didn't even have aid do it. I just had
Speaker 1: some steam to blow off. So so I'll read through
Speaker 1: these and we can stop at whichever one you'd like to,
Speaker 1: because they're all equally infuriating. But first takeaways on why
Speaker 1: democrats have a cultural disconnect with the working class. One
Speaker 1: over emphasis on identity politics too, the faculty lounge problem,
Speaker 1: which is again they're saying quote Democrats are often viewed
Speaker 1: as judgmental, out of touch, and dismissive of those without
Speaker 1: elite education or progressive views. I like how they go,
Speaker 1: or progressive views very telling, or or us where we
Speaker 1: don't like that, we feel like weird. They don't. We
Speaker 1: look down on people who aren't college educated. And also
Speaker 1: they think we're too woke. Don't ignore. Just to ignore
Speaker 1: that last part, keep going, it's woke, it's woke. My
Speaker 1: virus number three, failure to prioritize economic concerns. That's true, true,
Speaker 1: that's true, But they go it's going to go in
Speaker 1: an interesting direction. Well, the subhetter is, while voters struggle
Speaker 1: with jobs, wages, and inflation, Democrats are seen as more
Speaker 1: focused on cultural and social issues than on economic progress
Speaker 1: and opportunity. They don't like racism. Well they're also they're
Speaker 1: not they're not connected in any way. They're not all
Speaker 1: woven together in this much larger thing called American culture. Anyway.
Speaker 1: Then we weak messaging and communication through fear of dissent
Speaker 1: within the party. This is where the wheels completely blow off.
Speaker 1: Now Democrats is again from this document quote, Democrats are
Speaker 1: perceived as intolerant of internal debate. We're questioning progressive we're
Speaker 1: questioning progressive orthodoxy, results in backlash rather than open discussion.
Speaker 1: Candidates and operatives need to feel more comfortable just saying
Speaker 1: no to activist groups and unpalatable far left ideas. This
Speaker 1: is again where you're seeing how the fight's playing out.
Speaker 2: I mean like it's like every heading is like okay,
Speaker 2: and then their description is like absolutely not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, right right exactly.
Speaker 2: So where does Gaza fit into the fear of dissent
Speaker 2: within the party?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean like there, this is amazing, right, because this
Speaker 2: is the whole thing is like we feel like we're
Speaker 2: being policed and we feel like we have to get
Speaker 2: in line. Now. Granted, we haven't gotten in line, and
Speaker 2: we have not listened to our base, and we've ignored
Speaker 2: the mass movements, whether it's around BLM or around Gaza.
Speaker 2: We completely ignore them and we punch left and we
Speaker 2: treat them like shit. Right, but they make us feel
Speaker 2: bad and we still ignore them. It's just like what
Speaker 2: you what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Kabla Harrison energy coming into the election and then promptly
Speaker 1: steered in the direct direction they're suggesting the party go
Speaker 1: and lost all the momentum exactly righteah, yeah right. Attachment
Speaker 1: to unpopular institutions very weird.
Speaker 2: The ones that are now being obliterated by Elon so
Speaker 2: Republican light got it, got.
Speaker 1: Got right, allowing the far left to define the party.
Speaker 1: Activist groups and progressive staffers push unpopular cultural positions, making
Speaker 1: it seem like Democrats are more extreme than they actually are.
Speaker 1: What the fuck are you talking about? Operatives and campaigns.
Speaker 1: Must remember that activist groups exist to promote their single
Speaker 1: issue and raise money around it, not to make Democrats
Speaker 1: electable reactionary rather than proactive. Over reliance on buzzwords and
Speaker 1: political correctness hikes and ten, lack a positive national identity message. Okay,
Speaker 1: Democrats focus too much on America's flaws racism, sexism, inequality
Speaker 1: without acknowledging the country's progress and potential, making them seem
Speaker 1: pessimistic and unpatriotic. This is just so very much. Just
Speaker 1: got their ass kicked in an election where the opposing
Speaker 1: side did nothing but talk about how America was a
Speaker 1: complete shithole. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah again. It's
Speaker 1: very right, right right, it is wild? Where again you this?
Speaker 1: This next part takeaways on why Democrats are not trusted
Speaker 1: by the working class On the economy. They could all
Speaker 1: be summed up in one sentence, which is we cape
Speaker 1: for capitalism and the status quo and nothing else. That's
Speaker 1: the problem every time. So the first one vilification of wealth.
Speaker 1: Democrats are seen as hostile to success, indifferent to people's
Speaker 1: desire to attain wealth, while reflexively attacking wealthy business leaders
Speaker 1: instead of promoting economic mobility and aspiration. Hm disconnected messaging
Speaker 1: like everything is just so. Democrats focus on broad economic
Speaker 1: indicators instead of acknowledging real struggles like high prices and
Speaker 1: stagnant wages, making voters feel dismissed and unheard. Yeah you can,
Speaker 1: this is the problem. You'll point, you'll gesture to the problems,
Speaker 1: but you'll never fucking wrestle with the issues. That's that's
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just wild.
Speaker 2: Like, first of all, these are complete nincome poops number one,
Speaker 2: but number one and number two of why democrats are
Speaker 2: not trusted by the working class are completely antithetical to
Speaker 2: one another. We have disconnected messaging. We don't actually make
Speaker 2: it clear that we understand and listen to voters' economic concerns.
Speaker 2: When grocery prices are exorbitantly high, they can't afford childcare,
Speaker 2: on and on and on. But people are being too
Speaker 2: mean to corporations and we can vilify the wealthy. This
Speaker 2: is the problem. This is but this is actually why
Speaker 2: Joe Biden failed in a lot of ways beyond the
Speaker 2: butcher Biden you know, last fifteenth you know year of
Speaker 2: his presidency was really about like, Okay, we're going to
Speaker 2: sort of nibble around the edges, pass and reforms, go
Speaker 2: after you know, monopolies, but we're not going to do
Speaker 2: it hard enough or swift enough to actually make real
Speaker 2: gains that impact people's lives. And we're going but we're
Speaker 2: gonna still piss off the one percent, and we're never
Speaker 2: going to gain popular so port for these programs and
Speaker 2: for these things like stopping the price gouging or making
Speaker 2: sure that you know, you know, Apple and Google and
Speaker 2: Amazon are you know, have to break up or sell
Speaker 2: off certain companies or we're you know, we're suing them
Speaker 2: all that we're not going to make these very valiant
Speaker 2: policies that we are enacting actually popular because we're not
Speaker 2: gonna specifically vilify the one percent. Like in order to
Speaker 2: connect to people economically, you have to vilify the wealth.
Speaker 2: You have to vilify the one percent. It gives people
Speaker 2: something to latch onto and that's you know, that's why
Speaker 2: Trump is so successful is because he's demonizing immigrants, trans people,
Speaker 2: women like, we understand that, So give them the opposite,
Speaker 2: say the ninety nine percent versus the one percent. It's
Speaker 2: what catapulted the occupy movement into Bernie Sanders two time
Speaker 2: near electoral win.
Speaker 1: So it's just like, yeah, the one percent, but the
Speaker 1: one percent is running everything, so how can we expect
Speaker 1: them to even have this like this one part too.
Speaker 1: Failure to address economic anxiety is another one where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: no shit, but again they just go on to just
Speaker 1: like talk around the issue. Another one is nine the
Speaker 1: breakroom versus the boardroom. Democratic economic messages often come from
Speaker 1: elite celebrities and politicians rather than working class voices that
Speaker 1: voters can relate to. What you're saying is, yes, the
Speaker 1: party has been captured by the hyper wealthy, so you're
Speaker 1: inherently going to have it to communication to our wording,
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen with Rachel Pritzker or people
Speaker 1: of that ilk at the helm of a political party.
Speaker 1: They have absolutely is so far out of their vagina
Speaker 1: and a mirror.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Just say that just look at it for us. At
Speaker 1: it for a second and it'll be.
Speaker 2: Actually it's not nearly as nice as doing that, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's this is No one should take anything these people
Speaker 2: say seriously. And it's really annoying that the way that
Speaker 2: the political article was spun was made it seem like
Speaker 2: this wasn't the third everybody knows a third way. Organization
Speaker 2: has been like tone deaf. Now the problem is is
Speaker 2: that people you know, like James Carville will pair it
Speaker 2: a lot of these points, and many people pay it
Speaker 2: these points, which is basically like we need to get
Speaker 2: rid of the racial justice component, which is not really
Speaker 2: even a component. It's just sort of a lip service
Speaker 2: that we pay to real equity in this country. Get
Speaker 2: rid of all that language because weren't actually doing anything
Speaker 2: to implement it. Also hop on board with DEI programs,
Speaker 2: DIA programs, which are again stopgap measures that mostly make
Speaker 2: ourselves look better and so we don't have to address
Speaker 2: structural issues economic issues broadly like this is. And then
Speaker 2: the last thing like don't make me look at twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five and like miss Obama, like don't make me
Speaker 2: miss the way. The one thing that Obama was actually
Speaker 2: able to do well, which was I think, give some
Speaker 2: sort of narrative structure to this democracy that we live in.
Speaker 2: Is specifically when it comes to like multiracial democracy, a
Speaker 2: country that is still in formation, in the making, that
Speaker 2: is a sum of its parts, you know that its
Speaker 2: best days are ahead, not behind, but truly with again
Speaker 2: this like call it it's not post racial, but of
Speaker 2: course in the minds of a lot of white people,
Speaker 2: this like post racial. Everyone's moving forward, you know, we
Speaker 2: can do it together. Like like, it's just so wild
Speaker 2: that we live in a time where like two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine seemed really hopeful, you know, And and I
Speaker 2: say that as someone who in two thousand and nine
Speaker 2: was actually not that hopeful, and of course was like
Speaker 2: everyone else many progress is very disappointed. But like, it's
Speaker 2: not that hard to have a narrative of multi racial
Speaker 2: democracy that is inclusive, where there's an economy that works
Speaker 2: for all people. It's fucking really simple to articulate that,
Speaker 2: and many politicians do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like just something about this, especially
Speaker 1: in third way and knowing how wealthy the people are
Speaker 1: behind it too, or like they they can they're reading
Speaker 1: the room that the clock is take for people like
Speaker 1: for just ignoring the wealth hoarding that's happening from the
Speaker 1: like the very wealthy, and I think they're trying to
Speaker 1: like dance around it in this way where they're like, ah,
Speaker 1: it's a problem, but I certainly don't know how to
Speaker 1: contend with it. That ends up with me having less
Speaker 1: than I already do. And that's that's a totally that's
Speaker 1: because all this stuff just reads to me is it's
Speaker 1: pro inequality propaganda, like all of these talking points, and
Speaker 1: if that's your worldview, if you're pro inequality or just
Speaker 1: indifferent to inequality, all of these talking points are very
Speaker 1: easy for you to pairrot and act like you're analyzing
Speaker 1: and observing a problem and that maybe there's something to
Speaker 1: be done about it, but you are falling short of
Speaker 1: the actual work of saying we actually have to begin
Speaker 1: to dismantle these structures if we want a tangible effect,
Speaker 1: if we want voters to actually have some kind of
Speaker 1: tangible outcome that they can then connect to this party
Speaker 1: and say, yeah, you know what, I trust them, I'll
Speaker 1: vote for them because I can see they understand what's
Speaker 1: at stake and they're contending with it than trying to
Speaker 1: be like the problem is and this they say this
Speaker 1: in their document, small dollar donors, that's a thing to be.
Speaker 1: That's a remedy they're putting in here. Revised democratic fundraising
Speaker 1: parties move away from the dominance of small dollar donors
Speaker 1: whose preferences may not align with the broader electric Aka,
Speaker 1: stop listening to the people who were trying to who's
Speaker 1: trust we're trying to regain and just just get all
Speaker 1: the money from our wealthy friends.
Speaker 2: It is a complete nonsensical document because it's just full
Speaker 2: of these hypocrisies. The small dollar donors, I eat many
Speaker 2: many people, don't represent many many people.
Speaker 1: Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: No, nobody knows what you're saying. It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: And again, this is what's gonna look guys, this is
Speaker 2: what gets us fascism. This kind of thinking. Yeah, lines
Speaker 2: in the Sanda been drawing, y'all, there's a class war.
Speaker 2: Which side are you on? Okay, stop fucking caping like
Speaker 2: you care when you want to maintain you know, tax
Speaker 2: structure the way it is. When you're not actually really
Speaker 2: going to address wealth inequality, shut up, Just go go
Speaker 2: over to the side of the room of the gymnasium
Speaker 2: with all the billionaires because we don't need you anymore.
Speaker 2: We understand, Like truly though, I'm just like so sick
Speaker 2: of these people, you know, helping the Democratic Party and
Speaker 2: its tail spin and it's their fucking nose dives, because
Speaker 2: this is this is what the Kamala Harris campaign did.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what these things. Yes, yeah, the I mean,
Speaker 1: so the playbook, I feel like for the Democratic Party,
Speaker 1: both successfully and unsuccessfully, has been promised progressive change, like
Speaker 1: big radical change and then govern as a right leaning
Speaker 1: York photocracy and like that playbook and not.
Speaker 2: Even really do the former, like not even really promise
Speaker 2: broad right.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, just like gesture esthetically, Obama felt like he
Speaker 1: was offering revolutionary change, hope and change, you know, but
Speaker 1: then like out really in any sort of real way
Speaker 1: did A was I mean, like.
Speaker 2: You know, ACA was a good like when I'm I'm
Speaker 2: even again, I put Obama in a separate category at
Speaker 2: this point, like Kamala Harris did not run an Obama
Speaker 2: campaign at all. There was no big idea and again
Speaker 2: there was so much working against her and on and
Speaker 2: on and on, but like this is useless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean really. Yeah, I feel like because
Speaker 1: people have been fooled by this so long, and like, yes,
Speaker 1: the Obama like ACA was something, it was also written
Speaker 1: by the insurance industry, and like I think the big
Speaker 1: original sin that people can't get past is the bailing
Speaker 1: out of Wall Street. And yeah, like but so the
Speaker 1: two options seem to be like promise progressive and then
Speaker 1: government progressive. If you're not going to do the promise
Speaker 1: progressive and then govern as a corporatography, it's promised progressive
Speaker 1: and then government progressive or promise corporatography and govern the
Speaker 1: way you've always been governing.
Speaker 2: And which why would if you're a corporation, now, why
Speaker 2: the like, why would you ever throw it down with Democrats? Again,
Speaker 2: the Republicans are promising you the moon and the stars, right,
Speaker 2: I mean they are truly doing you a massive service.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, unless you rely on things like
Speaker 2: snap benefits to underpay your workers so they don't come
Speaker 2: at you with a knife and shit, right, then that
Speaker 2: would suck for you Walmart and others. But like, again,
Speaker 2: the line of the sand has been drawn and the
Speaker 2: corporations and you've got rub and diego going and like
Speaker 2: trying to you know, fundraise with Marc Andreessen and other
Speaker 2: you know crypto crypto bros. And be like we're good too,
Speaker 2: Like you can't offer them what they want.
Speaker 1: No, and also like open up your let's let's see
Speaker 1: the donations you've gotten from that sector, because we all
Speaker 1: know what time it is. They just bought you as
Speaker 1: a voice to normalize crypto for their own aim. And
Speaker 1: like we've talked about before, they were the biggest industry
Speaker 1: that was spending this last election cycle to get pro
Speaker 1: crypto talking points out to Democrats and republics. The one
Speaker 1: thing though, too, which goes along with all this, one
Speaker 1: of their takeaways for how they can rebuild economic trust
Speaker 1: is to quote number five, be pro aspiration and pro
Speaker 1: capitalism in a smart way. Recognize that working class voters
Speaker 1: value upward mobility and economic success, have a prosperity gospel
Speaker 1: aimed at the working class, call out corporate abuses individually
Speaker 1: instead of attacking quote corporations as a whole. Now, pro
Speaker 1: aspiration is such a fucking violent, fucked up term in
Speaker 1: this context where it's like not that you're saying, provide
Speaker 1: people with this tangible path. It's like they like upward mobility,
Speaker 1: but That's why we use the word aspirational, because that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're delivering. That means you have the hope
Speaker 1: that it will happen. That doesn't mean you have to.
Speaker 2: Do use words like grindset, mindset more and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: life hack.
Speaker 1: Hustler of the Month is going to get a Lambeau
Speaker 1: brought to you by the DNC.
Speaker 2: I mean truly, truly, it's like, like, okay, so instead
Speaker 2: of free college tuition, you want to lie to people
Speaker 2: exactly the way that Republicans lie to them. And no
Speaker 2: one's saying that the allure of a get out of
Speaker 2: capitalism free card or like being able to get a
Speaker 2: bunch of money through crypto doesn't exist precisely because of
Speaker 2: the moment that we're in, and honestly precisely because the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party has lost their way, you know, since FDR
Speaker 2: and since it's embrace of neoliberalism. But I'm very excited
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight for the fucking for Gavin Newsom
Speaker 2: to trot out Bill fucking Clinton again and again and again.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. One of the things is like hanging out
Speaker 1: with like meeting them where they are at tailgates and
Speaker 1: gun shows, which is just and and I think small
Speaker 1: town diners, which first of all, like loaning in tailgates,
Speaker 1: gun shows, local restaurants. This is written by the most
Speaker 1: billionaire motherfucker, Like you know, tailgates and gun shows, local restaurants.
Speaker 2: And it's all white coated, right, isn't that just white coated?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, this is all going for like conservative
Speaker 1: Middle America.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, unsuccessful Democratic candidates have been trying to
Speaker 1: lean into gun culture and failing since Ducaccus in eighty
Speaker 1: right when he like drove that fucking tank like carry
Speaker 1: had an infamous gun photo op Kamala kept ragging about
Speaker 1: how she had a glock like it just it feels
Speaker 1: like they've got taken taken. Like the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: election is just like let's double down on listening to
Speaker 1: the exact wrong people who told us all the things
Speaker 1: that made us lose. Yeah. Well, then you also have
Speaker 1: like senators like Chris Murphy who are like kind of
Speaker 1: kind of like having an internal debate with themselves about
Speaker 1: seeing the light where they're like, I think it's like
Speaker 1: we gotta listen to like these poor people man, and
Speaker 1: like we're just not doing a good job. But also shit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm hard to determine.
Speaker 1: I don't even care are I was like, uh huh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, which is like it all feels performative because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like these people, their
Speaker 1: entire existence is rooted in the fact that this system
Speaker 1: stays the same. So I can't really it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to believe that they now have this steal to
Speaker 1: go after to start to even begin to reckon with
Speaker 1: all of these structures that exacerbate the very income or
Speaker 1: the inequality that they're saying is causing a disconnect. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: we're not going to contend with the issue, but we
Speaker 1: need to figure out how to tell them that the
Speaker 1: sky is blue when this shit is black.
Speaker 2: Back in twenty twenty, I did a news Broke episode
Speaker 2: that was basically like how to Beat Trump and one
Speaker 2: of the bullet points, which is one that we just
Speaker 2: you could just erase this entire thing and just have
Speaker 2: one bullet point, which is be authentic, and I would
Speaker 2: revise that and just say believe in something, literally, believe something.
Speaker 2: Pick a thing to actually believe in.
Speaker 1: We believe Santa.
Speaker 2: For me, that's it exactly, Like I don't even give
Speaker 2: a shit of its Santa. If it's Santa, sell me
Speaker 2: on Santa, but I need you to actually believe it.
Speaker 1: I think the thing about Santa, he's given too many
Speaker 1: handouts to people that don't deserve it. You know, wait what,
Speaker 1: you're just boomerang that.
Speaker 2: Santa is a nice idea. That's a good concept, but
Speaker 2: really they should be earned stocking stuffers. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't pay into the stalking system, it should
Speaker 2: be sort of based on your own income.
Speaker 1: How many toys? I just hate that they basically are
Speaker 1: taking treat human beings with dignity and respect and saying
Speaker 1: that this is radical far left thinking. Like because if
Speaker 1: you just tell someone, you don't have to evoke any
Speaker 1: kind of political theory here, just be like this, here's
Speaker 1: your platform. We believe that you have the right to
Speaker 1: healthcare without going bankrupt because your body gets fucked up
Speaker 1: from maybe the myriad of threat vectors we put in
Speaker 1: the environment to to you know, corporate activity. Whatever. Healthcare. Okay,
Speaker 1: you should be able to have a roof over your head.
Speaker 1: If you would like an education, that should be attainable
Speaker 1: for you at any kind. You want to learn a trade,
Speaker 1: you want to go to university. Okay, we got that
Speaker 1: covered food. What else? Healthcare? Childcare, that your children will
Speaker 1: be safe. That's really those are so broad that it
Speaker 1: would be hard like you're not I mean, some conservatives
Speaker 1: will be like, we're trying to give a handout, but
Speaker 1: other people they are clamoring for things to be more
Speaker 1: affordable or their lives to be less shitty. Just articulate
Speaker 1: that in a way that is just talking about it's
Speaker 1: just like the basics. It's really just the basics, but
Speaker 1: it's it's much easier for it to get like sort
Speaker 1: of muddled in this kind of like think tank talk
Speaker 1: and then have places like Politico be like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is like this is kind of what might be
Speaker 1: the new normal way for the Democratic Party, or at
Speaker 1: least we'll give this the most attention. So no version
Speaker 1: that seems too fucking quote radical takes hold, and you know,
Speaker 1: people start looking the other also.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like if you really want to learn
Speaker 2: from the Republicans, because all this is is looking at
Speaker 2: the other side more like hey, they're good good, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, I do understand this idea of like speaking
Speaker 2: to people wanting to get ahead, and our intense individualism
Speaker 2: and all this and people liking money and people not
Speaker 2: wanting the collective, and that's going to take a long
Speaker 2: many years to rebuild that sense of collectivity of a
Speaker 2: real like yes, an American identity that is about equal
Speaker 2: protection under the law, that is about everyone getting an opportunity.
Speaker 2: Like there's been so much hollowing out of the government.
Speaker 2: Many people believe obviously all this shit is dead if
Speaker 2: it ever were alive. But I'm like thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, Okay, universal education like free tuition. Right,
Speaker 2: let's say community colleges, state schools to begin with. And
Speaker 2: if you don't want to take advantage of free university tuition,
Speaker 2: you can get money instead. It's like, so you get
Speaker 2: it's like putting money in people's posts. People love money,
Speaker 2: and so it's like, you know what I'm saying, It's
Speaker 2: like something like that where it's like it feels like
Speaker 2: socialism to a kind of exactly. It Also, if you
Speaker 2: don't like exactly, you could get money to go to
Speaker 2: a trade school or like start your own business right
Speaker 2: out of college or high school, whatever you want. But
Speaker 2: we want to promote you going to school you freely
Speaker 2: and fair you know, all that we think everyone should
Speaker 2: have an economic I mean educational opportunity like that, but
Speaker 2: also here's money. Like if ins said you don't like
Speaker 2: things like that, that would be an interesting creative way
Speaker 2: to address this moment that we're in, but also talk
Speaker 2: about what can actually solve you know, yeah, you know
Speaker 2: the moment that we're in.
Speaker 1: Or they talk about, oh, people love aspirational stuff and
Speaker 1: like they're driven or whatever. That's because there's no fucking
Speaker 1: middle class. If there was a middle class, people wouldn't
Speaker 1: be aspiring to be lambeau driving, like jet hopping, fucked
Speaker 1: with sex traffickers because they look at that as being like, well,
Speaker 1: those are the option. Those are like if I want
Speaker 1: to go on a trip, like have like a nice dinner,
Speaker 1: look like I have to be hyper wealthy because my
Speaker 1: job that used to be able to afford someone a
Speaker 1: very normal, enjoyable life, that fucking vision is gone. So
Speaker 1: that's what they're aspiring to. It's not that they want,
Speaker 1: not necessarily, but the example that we have in society
Speaker 1: is that you must have X amount of dollars for
Speaker 1: this experience to be enjoyable. Yeah, just those people in
Speaker 1: extreme version, those people putting me in pain, and that's
Speaker 1: those are your two options. Be the one who's getting
Speaker 1: fucked over and scammed, or be the scammer or the
Speaker 1: person's like making all the money and your stupid yeah
Speaker 1: is also part of it. Let's take a quick break,
Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll say a quick goodbye to Skype.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Goodbye Skype, and we're back and
Speaker 1: good bye Skype. All right, that is our episode. Oh
Speaker 1: you didn't hear so Skype is about to die. Uh
Speaker 1: it will ring for the last time on May fifth,
Speaker 1: single to mile. Yeah. Yeah, they're going out big part
Speaker 1: in bio And it's just it's kind of worth taking
Speaker 1: a step back and asking has any tech company fumbled
Speaker 1: its place quite like Skype? Like we used the word
Speaker 1: Skype as a verb to describe what Zoom now does. Yes,
Speaker 1: And when the pandemic hit, everyone just was like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck Skype, We're going to Zoom. Because Microsoft had acquired
Speaker 1: Skype for eight point five billion dollars in twenty eleven,
Speaker 1: it's not like they had just like gotten an infusion.
Speaker 1: They had it for eight solid years, nine solid years.
Speaker 2: Well, they did launch Microsoft spaces was it spaces Space?
Speaker 1: Well now, so basically they're just shifting this over to teams.
Speaker 2: Teams I forgot.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Google Spaces, Google Spaces, Microsoft Teams. It's easy
Speaker 1: to tell apart. And it's why so much? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: every week quite a bit.
Speaker 2: I've created five accounts.
Speaker 1: What's going on? They basically tried so once they got
Speaker 1: that big investment acquisition by Microsoft, they just like started
Speaker 1: trying to be everything X everything app. They started trying
Speaker 1: to be like they created their own like emoji system
Speaker 1: called Moji's. They call it's called moojis. They're like emojis, No,
Speaker 1: they're mojis, and actually you get you get fined if
Speaker 1: you say if you put the E in there. Can
Speaker 1: you imagine in that pitch meeting, they're like, and we
Speaker 1: have Moji's and they're like, is that just emojis? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: man five ads yeah, something about seven minute abbs. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They also tried to like be Snapchat. They put put
Speaker 1: a bunch of features together from Snapchat. The developers just
Speaker 1: did not focus on the core functionality of making sure
Speaker 1: the video call quality remained. And so I think the
Speaker 1: thing was just like when you when the pandemic hit,
Speaker 1: you could just have like a zoom link and like
Speaker 1: you could just use it like for free basically, like
Speaker 1: you didn't have to like set up a thing and
Speaker 1: like connect it to your phone number, like have a
Speaker 1: separate you know. It was just easy to use, and
Speaker 1: they were just like not there yet.
Speaker 2: It was browser based, right, I mean that's isn't that
Speaker 2: the whole thing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sky gon app, though they have an app, It's
Speaker 1: just like it wasn't as easy to use. It wasn't no,
Speaker 1: but no one.
Speaker 2: Would send you a skypelink and be like join my
Speaker 2: meeting or join my call.
Speaker 1: Right, that's just like you had to it was. It
Speaker 1: felt more like they were still in the world at
Speaker 1: first phones. Yeah, yeah, like you had to like Skype me,
Speaker 1: here's my user name.
Speaker 2: You know, this is upsetting to me because I used
Speaker 2: Skype well for a very long distance relationship for a
Speaker 2: long time, so that was like pivotal, Like all my
Speaker 2: Skype is like, you know, falling in love with my
Speaker 2: ex you know.
Speaker 1: Through Skype.
Speaker 2: Wow, Skype yad you know, as we used to say,
Speaker 2: and uh. And then also I used Skype to call
Speaker 2: people when I want to hide my phone number. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, like all the people I stock mostly did
Speaker 2: representatives and so I don't know how. I guess I
Speaker 2: could do that with a Google Voice number, but I'm
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how to do that because I
Speaker 2: don't want people tracking me back to my phone.
Speaker 1: Sure yeah yeah, Google Voice, Google Voice help Google Voice
Speaker 1: the move. But Burner Phone shout out to Skype. We
Speaker 1: hardly knew ye a mere twenty years in existence.
Speaker 2: This is just like it's like you know, the comedian
Speaker 2: I e Me, who didn't you know, start learning TikTok
Speaker 2: during the pandemic really screwed up. Yeah, it's like Skype,
Speaker 2: what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, oh god.
Speaker 2: But also just such a waste because they didn't need
Speaker 2: the money. I mean, that's what monopoly does, where you're
Speaker 2: like in other hands, I'm I like to think, and
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about running a business, but like
Speaker 2: Skype would have been it, they would have maintained it.
Speaker 2: But it's like if you don't really need I don't know,
Speaker 2: I'm just like one of.
Speaker 1: Your company, then you're like, yeah, whatever, fool, I got
Speaker 1: my payday right exactly.
Speaker 2: Zoom isn't Microsoft.
Speaker 1: You're like a satellite branch in like some part of Microsoft.
Speaker 1: That's just yeah, being ignored and mismanaged quietly behind closed doors.
Speaker 2: So now it is truly just Zoom and like Google meets.
Speaker 1: Zoom and team and teams of course, and Zoom hasn't been.
Speaker 2: Acquired or Zoom is just like the Zoom Empire.
Speaker 1: Now are he zooms its own thing now? Yeah, we're
Speaker 1: in the zoom age.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah yeah until Elon buys it for.
Speaker 1: However much Francesca, it's it's been a pleasure as always
Speaker 1: having you on the daily. Where can people find you?
Speaker 1: Hear you?
Speaker 2: Like every time we have like multiple stories and then
Speaker 2: I just talk so much that we don't get to.
Speaker 1: That is every episode of the show episode, no matter
Speaker 1: the guest.
Speaker 2: Dude, you can I feel that. I mean I feel
Speaker 2: I never feel rushed. So thank you and thanks for listening.
Speaker 2: Uh you can find me at Franni fou on all
Speaker 2: the socials and listen to the Situation Room where you
Speaker 2: get your podcasts, or watch it live on YouTube at
Speaker 2: Franni Theo. But also if you really want to come
Speaker 2: see me, I'll be doing stand up with my husband
Speaker 2: Matt Leeb on Sunday, March sixteenth in Sacramento and then
Speaker 2: May seventh, which is a Wednesday at Cobbs Comedy in
Speaker 2: San Francisco, and it's going to be.
Speaker 1: So so fun two days after the Skype funeral.
Speaker 2: Oh shoot, that's right, we're gonna Yeah, we're gonna pour one.
Speaker 1: Out for some guy Irish wake for Skype. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And if you are in Pasadena, if you're in Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: I'll be March twenty sixth at the Ice House. I
Speaker 2: have my show New World Disorder monthly stand up show there.
Speaker 1: It'll be good. Nice. Is there a workymedia that you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying?
Speaker 2: Okay, there is a skeet. Yeah, we call it made I.
Speaker 1: Just in this household their skeets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're skeets. There's a skeet Amy Brown and I
Speaker 2: hadn't seen this joke before, so I'm attributing it to
Speaker 2: Amy Brown, who said, I'm not the first to say it,
Speaker 2: but I do sort of see where Jade Vance's mom
Speaker 2: was coming from when she traded him for drugs.
Speaker 1: Miles, Where can people find you? Is there a workimedia
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Speaker 1: talked about in today's episode, as well as the song
Speaker 1: that we think you might enjoy. Miles, is there a
Speaker 1: song you think people might enjoy? Yeah, there is a
Speaker 1: track called I Remember. It's like two Eyes and remember
Speaker 1: a Marabou State m A R I B o U.
Speaker 1: They are a duo from the UK. I've heard like
Speaker 1: some I've heard electronic tracks Eve done, this feels more
Speaker 1: of like a live band vibe with some really good
Speaker 1: it's It kind of feels like a track jungle kind
Speaker 1: of what it makes. So if you like that kind
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Speaker 1: with a little bit of bounce to us. So keep
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Speaker 1: I I like when Mark Wahlberg gets taste in that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: light plan a little flight plan reference for it, flight risk. Sorry,
Speaker 1: oh boy, Yeah, all right, we will link off too.
Speaker 1: I remember in the footnotes, which you can also find
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