Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. The following classic from twenty twenty may
Speaker 1: not be appropriate for all audiences. Just a heads up
Speaker 1: back in back in that.
Speaker 2: Year, five years ago.
Speaker 1: Now, you guys, we learned that children were going missing
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: That's right, and the term that was thrown around at
Speaker 3: the time was critically missing, meaning that an amber alert
Speaker 3: was issued. Family members of the missing kids took it
Speaker 3: upon themselves to do some detective work, digging into their
Speaker 3: children's phone records and traced them to a duplex.
Speaker 2: This is really dark stuff everybody, including allegations of a
Speaker 2: cover up, so dark one to get into it this
Speaker 2: time of year, but hey, this is important, so we're
Speaker 2: going to do it.
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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
Speaker 2: my name is Noel.
Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
Speaker 1: our super producer Paul. Mission control decands, most importantly, you
Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff
Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. We live in what
Speaker 1: could be described as interesting times, right, And if you're
Speaker 1: hearing this around the time we record it on July
Speaker 1: twenty fourth, twenty twenty, then you know the US and
Speaker 1: many other nations are currently dealing with a reassessment of
Speaker 1: how the civilian community should be treated by authorities, how
Speaker 1: they should inter act with those authorities. And there's no
Speaker 1: question that, at least in the US, communities are specifically
Speaker 1: questioning how much they do or do not trust the police.
Speaker 1: The ongoing protests unquestionably play a huge role in this.
Speaker 1: But these attitudes didn't just pop up suddenly out of
Speaker 1: the blue. They didn't come from nowhere, and they're not
Speaker 1: a recent thing by any means. Back in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: the Cato Institute, which is a libertarian think tank, found
Speaker 1: that seventy nine percent of Americans support outside investigations of
Speaker 1: police misconduct. Eighty nine percent support the use of body cameras.
Speaker 1: And it's not unusual right to ask for that accountability.
Speaker 1: And it's not unusual for us as humans to distrust
Speaker 1: people in authority. After all, one of the defining characteristics
Speaker 1: of power is that it is inherently vulnerable to abuse,
Speaker 1: So our show today takes place in this vast, at
Speaker 1: times contradictory, paradoxical ecology of power abuse, accountability, and possibly
Speaker 1: cover ups. Today's story is very strange when you may have,
Speaker 1: like us, heard about it momentarily of quick headline, a
Speaker 1: blip on a chiron at your local news station, and
Speaker 1: so on. But here's today's question. Did the Milwaukee police
Speaker 1: just protect a child abuse ring? I know, I know
Speaker 1: it sounds pretty crazy, and we'll get to the crazy part,
Speaker 1: but first, here are the facts.
Speaker 3: So around five o'clock on Sunday, June twenty first, twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: two young girls in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, go missing, their last
Speaker 3: scene in the twenty nine hundred block of North twenty
Speaker 3: first Street. Their names are Tidriana and Gilbriana Perkins, fifteen
Speaker 3: and thirteen, respectively, and according to police Sergeant Efren Cornejo,
Speaker 3: is an amazing name. They're reported missing about four four
Speaker 3: hours later, but according to the official police department response
Speaker 3: and records, that girls were not considered critically missing. I
Speaker 3: think this is something that's important for everyone to get
Speaker 3: their heads around.
Speaker 2: I needed to.
Speaker 3: There are some pretty specific criteria that will trigger an
Speaker 3: AMBER alert, which is you know, basically a system that
Speaker 3: will push a notification to every cell phone in the area,
Speaker 3: will be on billboards that are available, and all of
Speaker 3: that stuff. Matt, I believe you had that list.
Speaker 2: The biggest thing is an Amber alert is issued if
Speaker 2: it is believed that the child is in some kind
Speaker 2: of immediate danger or possible serious harm or even death
Speaker 2: if this child is not located. If you go to
Speaker 2: the city of Milwaukee itself, they've got a standard operating
Speaker 2: procedure part of a handbook essentially, or you know, the
Speaker 2: protocols for what to do when there's a missing person's
Speaker 2: and in there it describes a lot about children and
Speaker 2: minors in particular who go missing, and you know what
Speaker 2: constitutes a missing person. The main takeaway from here though,
Speaker 2: by the way, as we're thinking about the story and
Speaker 2: telling you about it, in this document it has a
Speaker 2: note that says there is no twenty four hour waiting
Speaker 2: period for department members to file a missing report on
Speaker 2: any missing person. Missing reports shall be accepted without delay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's a I appreciate you busting that
Speaker 1: myth is something that has been very good to fictional crime.
Speaker 1: Shows the idea that one must wait twenty four hours
Speaker 1: because it's a hell of a plot device. But it's
Speaker 1: just not true. If you think somebody is missing, then
Speaker 1: report them, because in fact the opposite is true. The
Speaker 1: first twenty four hours of someone being reported missing are
Speaker 1: the most crucial hours of an investigation, at least an
Speaker 1: investigation that you want to result in someone being found
Speaker 1: safe and alive. The idea of critical missing here has,
Speaker 1: according to Milwaukee six points. Matt, as you said, the
Speaker 1: most important one is the idea that this person might
Speaker 1: be in physical danger. They might be risk to themselves,
Speaker 1: whether that means whether it's because they're suicidal or they
Speaker 1: have you know, drug issues, or a mental or physical issue.
Speaker 1: One interesting point here is that according to Milwaukee PD,
Speaker 1: the person missing is automatically considered critically missing if they're
Speaker 1: age eleven or younger. And the two children who disappeared,
Speaker 1: Tiitriana Perkins and Gilbriana Perkins were both over eleven. Titriana
Speaker 1: is fifteen or was fifteen at the time, and Gilbriana
Speaker 1: was thirteen. So as cold as it sounds, this is
Speaker 1: procedural thing from the perspective of the police, right it
Speaker 1: just doesn't tick the right boxes. To become an Amber alert.
Speaker 1: And we should keep in mind that while these investigations
Speaker 1: are occurring, people are protesting in Milwaukee against systemic racism,
Speaker 1: against what they see as the callous and illegal actions
Speaker 1: of authorities, including the Milwaukee PD. So it's not as
Speaker 1: if this is occurring on a routine day. There are
Speaker 1: already people out protesting. And this is where we get
Speaker 1: to this specific day. You know, if you read about
Speaker 1: this in the news, most of the coverage was focused
Speaker 1: on this day, Tuesday, June twenty third, because over the
Speaker 1: course of several hours, this missing person's investigation morphed into
Speaker 1: something unprecedented.
Speaker 2: It really did, and it has a lot to do
Speaker 2: with what we were describing early, which is just you know,
Speaker 2: the criteria to report a missing person to get police involvement.
Speaker 3: And just to be fair, Matt, I mean, that's sort
Speaker 3: of it's needed, right, I mean, to you know, want
Speaker 3: to report every single you know call that comes in
Speaker 3: and and blast it out as an AMBER alert, that
Speaker 3: would sort of diminish the value of that that safeguard, right,
Speaker 3: like if the right.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean absolutely there are going to be you know,
Speaker 2: statistically a number of missing person's reports that are generated
Speaker 2: of someone who is just you know, their phone died
Speaker 2: and they had to do something else. There was an
Speaker 2: emergency that they couldn't notify anyone about, right, or uh,
Speaker 2: a minor willingly abscond somewhere. Right. But this is what
Speaker 2: I wanted to get to you really quickly before we
Speaker 2: jump into exactly what happened on that same Milwaukee PD
Speaker 2: document under critical missing, like the classification of critical missing
Speaker 2: that Ben noted, the person if they're eleven years are younger,
Speaker 2: they're critical missing. Another thing in here is that it
Speaker 2: states a person is considered critical missing if there is
Speaker 2: quote reasonable suspicion to believe the disappearance of the missing
Speaker 2: person is not voluntary and or the missing person is
Speaker 2: the victim of foul play. Now putting that in there,
Speaker 2: saying that there is reasonable suspicion means that the officer
Speaker 2: taking that report essentially is that that person or they're superior,
Speaker 2: gets to make the call of whether or not this
Speaker 2: suspicion is reasonable. It's not like the mother reporting a
Speaker 2: missing person. It's not the wife or the husband or
Speaker 2: the child. It's the officer and maybe they're superior.
Speaker 1: It's a good seed to plant, map because I think
Speaker 1: that I think I see where you're going with this.
Speaker 1: There is subjectivity to some degree on the part of
Speaker 1: the officer or the person in authority filing that report.
Speaker 1: So this is going to come into play in a
Speaker 1: massive way further into our story. You probably saw this
Speaker 1: report about a crowd gathering at a house. But one
Speaker 1: thing a lot of news outlets did not report is
Speaker 1: how this crowd, some of whom were concerned neighbors, some
Speaker 1: of whom were searching for these kids themselves, and some
Speaker 1: who are already out protesting right how did they find
Speaker 1: this house. It's an interesting story. The mother of one
Speaker 1: of the missing girls was able to ping the kid's
Speaker 1: cell phone, and the cell phone was located in a
Speaker 1: two story townhouse in Milwaukee on the twenty one hundred
Speaker 1: block of North fortieth Street. This is, for anyone familiar
Speaker 1: with the area, just south of Washington Park. So this mother,
Speaker 1: along with several other people that she knew, physically went
Speaker 1: to this property. And this was in addition to calling police.
Speaker 1: According to their account, this is the first part where
Speaker 1: they accounts differ. According to her account, the police apparently
Speaker 1: ignored these requests these missing persons reports for about ten hours.
Speaker 1: So to your point, Matt, maybe they considered them not well,
Speaker 1: we know they did not consider them quote unquote critically endangered.
Speaker 1: They didn't think they qualified for an Amber alert. So
Speaker 1: around ten am at this place, the police have on
Speaker 1: their side of the story, they've been investigating for two days,
Speaker 1: that's what they say, ever since this was reported. But
Speaker 1: a group of civilians starts to gather at this house
Speaker 1: where that cell phone ping allegedly originated from.
Speaker 3: And let's just just add in like not that this
Speaker 3: is you know, this is a whole separate discussion in
Speaker 3: and of itself, but the police are certainly going to
Speaker 3: be stretched a little thin with doing crowd control just
Speaker 3: the other protests you know, that are happening elsewhere in
Speaker 3: the city at this point, there likely would have been
Speaker 3: some police presence just to make sure that things didn'
Speaker 3: get out of control. And you know, there's certainly in
Speaker 3: a case to be made that there was a lot
Speaker 3: of overstepping and a lot of like overreaction to that stuff,
Speaker 3: and then it necessarily didn't need to tie up the
Speaker 3: police force in that way. But that certainly could account
Speaker 3: for the ten hour delay, in addition to it not
Speaker 3: meeting those amber alert criteria.
Speaker 2: It is a good point. Another point to make here
Speaker 2: is that pinging a cell phone is not always going
Speaker 2: to be as accurate as you may hope it to be,
Speaker 2: because you are talking about triangulation and using various cell
Speaker 2: phone towers to try and figure out exactly where a
Speaker 2: cell phone is at any given time. If you ever
Speaker 2: look at your location services on your phone, sometimes it's
Speaker 2: going to show you somewhere in your backyard or maybe
Speaker 2: at your neighbor's house. Just putting this out there, as
Speaker 2: it's not one hundred percent accurate, So that's what this
Speaker 2: would have been.
Speaker 3: It would have been like a find my iPhone situation
Speaker 3: or like you know, something that the mother could trigger
Speaker 3: from her device, not actually involving the phone company.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how how they were what method
Speaker 2: they used to ping the cell phone, but no matter
Speaker 2: how they did it, it was using probably LTE or
Speaker 2: some other kind of cell phone signal towers to triangulate
Speaker 2: the location. I'm not saying that it's absolutely inaccurate, right,
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying there is a degree of maybe
Speaker 2: that wasn't the exact house. Sure, just putting it.
Speaker 1: Out there, and these houses are Also, if you look
Speaker 1: at pictures of the neighborhood, these houses are also pretty
Speaker 1: close together, so and it's a densely populated area, so
Speaker 1: it's possible that that's not one hundred percent accurate. Back
Speaker 1: to the events there, the group that has gathered right,
Speaker 1: they believe that these two children are being held inside
Speaker 1: this house, and this house, will come to find has
Speaker 1: a story all its own. Police are investigating inside the house.
Speaker 1: They're not letting the civilians in and according to the police,
Speaker 1: and we'll get more into their story in a second.
Speaker 1: According to thee some members of the crowd, the civilian crowds,
Speaker 1: became agitated and some people in the crowd threw bricks
Speaker 1: at the officers. This resulted in more police being called
Speaker 1: to the scene. By the middle of the afternoon, that
Speaker 1: crowd that started with an intensely distressed mother looking for
Speaker 1: a child had grown to number in the hundreds and
Speaker 1: there were fifteen to twenty police officers forming a human
Speaker 1: line a chain outside of the house to hold back
Speaker 1: the crowd. They wanted in because they believed that the
Speaker 1: Milwaukee PD had a long standing policy of ignoring these
Speaker 1: reports of missing children, especially if the missing children were
Speaker 1: not white.
Speaker 3: And so at this point, you know, this civilian group
Speaker 3: that's assembling is starting to grow. They're starting to take
Speaker 3: matage into their own hand and search the area because
Speaker 3: they feel like they're not being heard. They're angry that
Speaker 3: the police took so long to respond in the first place.
Speaker 3: And so the crowd starts to kind of move towards
Speaker 3: the house. Some individuals actually break into the house. Some
Speaker 3: folks are smashing out windows. There's a vehicle parked on
Speaker 3: the property. Others start knocking on doors nearby, you know,
Speaker 3: demanding to you know, to see these girls, or are
Speaker 3: asking if they're there. And then, just before six o'clock,
Speaker 3: five point forty five, to be precise, members of the crowd,
Speaker 3: which at this point is you know, quite large and
Speaker 3: very angry. I mean, you have to remember, there's a
Speaker 3: lot to be angry about. There's protests going on about
Speaker 3: the death of George Floyd, and the whole notion of
Speaker 3: not trusting the police is very top of mind right now.
Speaker 3: So they actually set fire to a vehicle, a couch,
Speaker 3: and then the house in question.
Speaker 2: Then not only do you have a police presence there,
Speaker 2: you've now introduced the fire department, local fire departments, which,
Speaker 2: you know, it really does bring another element of sirens,
Speaker 2: of large vehicles trying to get through crowds of you know,
Speaker 2: firefighters trying to find a sufficient source of water to
Speaker 2: actually start putting the fire out, and just chaos is
Speaker 2: what you That's how you can describe it. Essentially, the
Speaker 2: police force there is attempting to control the crowd essentially
Speaker 2: to some extent. Right we talked about how they were
Speaker 2: They already had a fence, a human fence essentially around
Speaker 2: this house, and they're trying to do crowd control, and
Speaker 2: then a massive fire just metaphorically sets the entire situation
Speaker 2: on fire right in this in this weird way, there's
Speaker 2: also reportedly, by the way, molotov cocktails that were used
Speaker 2: in this, at least that's according to the local reporting.
Speaker 2: I actually didn't see that in any video, but maybe
Speaker 2: you guys did. I didn't see it.
Speaker 1: So we see that the discrepancies between the authorities narrative
Speaker 1: and the narrative of the people in the civilian crowd
Speaker 1: who are live streaming on Facebook and active on social media,
Speaker 1: these discrepancies only increase. By the end of this three
Speaker 1: people had been shot, two fourteen year olds one twenty
Speaker 1: four year old. Other people, civilians and authorities of firefighters
Speaker 1: and police alike had been injured. The shootings are also
Speaker 1: their own kind of bag of terrible badgers. Police responded
Speaker 1: eventually by deploying what is misleadingly termed non lethal right
Speaker 1: non lethal measures, So that would be your whitman's sampler
Speaker 1: of a protest response, things like tear gas, rubber bullets,
Speaker 1: pepper spray that was deployed on protesters. Several were injured.
Speaker 1: After seven pm, led by a guy we'll meet later
Speaker 1: called Frank Nitti, a small group in the crowd began
Speaker 1: a protest march away from the site. They were followed
Speaker 1: by a caravan of vehicles. I think it's important for
Speaker 1: us to say windows were smashed out of this vehicle
Speaker 1: that was parked on the property. It's a van, right,
Speaker 1: and one of the people in the house got away,
Speaker 1: and there were things in that van that could have
Speaker 1: been very important to the concerns of the crowd. We
Speaker 1: do have a bit of good news though. The two girls,
Speaker 1: the Perkins children, were found the next day. On Wednesday,
Speaker 1: police reported first that one child had been found, then
Speaker 1: that both children were found and were with their families.
Speaker 1: At the time, Milwaukee PD stated they had found no
Speaker 1: evidence that these children were ever at the house that
Speaker 1: was set on fire. They additionally found no evidence that
Speaker 1: the children were involved with any of the events that
Speaker 1: occurred during this investigation turned into a protest, turned into
Speaker 1: unrest at that site on Tuesday. I did find one
Speaker 1: one Thing'stani's looking for the names of the people who
Speaker 1: live in this house. And this is according to the neighborhood,
Speaker 1: this is one of those houses that everybody kind of
Speaker 1: talks about. I think we all grow up with a
Speaker 1: creepy house in some neighborhood, and this one had been
Speaker 1: the subject of a lot of scrutiny. But I was
Speaker 1: having trouble finding who actually lived there. I eventually found
Speaker 1: some folks. One person, Jalisa Hall, was a resident of
Speaker 1: the house, but she wasn't there during the events of Tuesday,
Speaker 1: June twenty third. She was at Saint Joe's Hospital when
Speaker 1: the home was burning down because she was giving birth.
Speaker 1: That has got to be a very tough day for her.
Speaker 3: And as we've kind of, you know, hinted at, there's
Speaker 3: a real division between the narratives of the Facebook live
Speaker 3: streamers and the folks that are assembled and the police
Speaker 3: the official story, and we're going to get more into
Speaker 3: those discrepancies.
Speaker 2: After a quick word from our sponsor, Okay, we're back.
Speaker 2: Now we're gonna hear from the police their side of
Speaker 2: the story here, and much of what we've learned has
Speaker 2: come from Police Chief Alfonso Morales of the Milwaukee Police Department.
Speaker 2: He's given several public addresses about this. The primary one
Speaker 2: came on Tuesday, that was immediately following the events that
Speaker 2: we've been talking about just now, the house being burned
Speaker 2: and everything that went down at that location. So here's
Speaker 2: what we've got according to him and the police in general.
Speaker 2: They responded to that twenty one hundred block of North
Speaker 2: fortieth Street on Monday, so that's the day after the
Speaker 2: girls were reported missing. He's got logs that show the
Speaker 2: police department went there twice on Monday night, not to
Speaker 2: that particular house, but to that area. They went one
Speaker 2: at according these logs, ten to eleven PM for quote
Speaker 2: trouble with a subject call, then again an hour later
Speaker 2: for a report of some threat. There was this televised
Speaker 2: statement that you can watch right now on YouTube if
Speaker 2: you want to look for it. Yourself. He gave it
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, that's when we're referring to here. He announced
Speaker 2: that police responded to multiple incidents and reports at that
Speaker 2: general location and several other places. They are claiming both
Speaker 2: times that officers checked the location, they found nothing that
Speaker 2: would seem to indicate that the children were there right
Speaker 2: or were ever there. The police said that while they
Speaker 2: were there, and this should be on Tuesday, if I'm
Speaker 2: not mistaken, guys, that there was exchange of gunfire and
Speaker 2: it was between somebody inside the house, the one that
Speaker 2: ended up getting burned, and people who were attempting to
Speaker 2: get into the house. In this statement, Chief Morales characterizes
Speaker 2: the civilians that we've been to talking about who were
Speaker 2: outside the house as of vigilantes very purposefully. So I
Speaker 2: think sure, and he's also not wrong, but it's also
Speaker 2: a loaded term.
Speaker 3: Ice again trying to control that narrative and steer that
Speaker 3: narrative right exactly.
Speaker 2: And after he just gave his prepared statement, he was
Speaker 2: then asked several questions by reporters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is interesting. So this is something that I clocked.
Speaker 1: I've been following this since since it occurred, just to
Speaker 1: see what's shaking out. Here, this part of the state
Speaker 1: of the televised statement is fascinating because reporters are openly asking.
Speaker 1: They're saying, you know, how do you respond to the
Speaker 1: numerous Milwaukee residents who think police don't care about reports
Speaker 1: of missing children if they're black. How do you respond
Speaker 1: to the continuing allegations that these missing children cases do
Speaker 1: not get the attention they deserve and the police don't
Speaker 1: take them as seriously as they should. And then the
Speaker 1: same reporter follows up and says, and what about the
Speaker 1: fact that the houses in this area have been known
Speaker 1: in the past as proven locations of sex trafficking or
Speaker 1: human trafficking. The reporter is saying this, this isn't me
Speaker 1: and the police chief Dodd kind of dodges the question,
Speaker 1: and Morales responds saying, look, the police can only investigate
Speaker 1: what's reported to us. And then he doubles down on vigilantism,
Speaker 1: so he doesn't ever actually answer that question. And when
Speaker 1: he's pushed on it, the question about trafficking and trafficking
Speaker 1: in the past, he says that the department does not
Speaker 1: have the necessary information to make a statement, but another
Speaker 1: reporter confirms that the house had multiple calls to police
Speaker 1: over time, and then in response, Morales says, the same
Speaker 1: families lived there since twenty seventeen, which is an answer,
Speaker 1: but it's an answer to an entirely different question.
Speaker 3: Assistant calls from the house to the police over time,
Speaker 3: or calls reporting recording the house is suspicious or something.
Speaker 1: The police have been have received reports about the house
Speaker 1: multiple times. Some of those could have come from inside
Speaker 1: the house. Maybe you know, it's an aggregate number. This
Speaker 1: has been reported multiple times. Morales confirms that some people
Speaker 1: were removed from the residents and refuses to comment when
Speaker 1: asked about the age of the people who were removed.
Speaker 1: Those people, by the way, that's an interesting story. They
Speaker 1: were removed hidden under yellow tarps and shuffled away into vehicles.
Speaker 2: A point for that though, in any case, I think
Speaker 2: you're going to want to keep those the identity of
Speaker 2: those people hidden, because you are talking about a gathered
Speaker 2: group of people who are pure to be angry, and
Speaker 2: they have they have an idea of what they believe
Speaker 2: is going on there, and if it is not proven
Speaker 2: with evidence, then you know, the people in that house
Speaker 2: could be completely innocent and we just don't know. And
Speaker 2: if they are right, then mob mentality could kick in
Speaker 2: and those people could be you know, harmed, physically harmed,
Speaker 2: and even if they are guilty, the it would be
Speaker 2: on the police to protect those people until they get
Speaker 2: a trial, right or until they're indicted in some way
Speaker 2: for some wrongdoing. So protecting them covering them, I don't know.
Speaker 2: To me, that doesn't feel odd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, even Batman gets it wrong sometimes, and
Speaker 3: that's the problem when you take matters into your own
Speaker 3: hands and then maybe you're manipulated or maybe you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's any number of things that can happen,
Speaker 3: but when you don't have that due process, it's pretty
Speaker 3: tricky if you rush to judgment.
Speaker 1: There are also a number of reasons that these people
Speaker 1: could have been removed from the residents, and not all
Speaker 1: of those reasons are that they were detained for some
Speaker 1: sort of crime. You know, i've gunfired, did come from
Speaker 1: a member of the residence, then maybe it was discharge
Speaker 1: of a firearm. If multiple people are removed, then maybe
Speaker 1: it's entirely for their personal safety. To your point, Matt
Speaker 1: about powder Keg mentality right in a crowd, and that's
Speaker 1: not picking on this crowd in particular, that's just what
Speaker 1: crowds are built to do. They have that capacity hardwired.
Speaker 1: I do want to point out, if I could finish
Speaker 1: this thought, that Batman is one of my least favorite
Speaker 1: examples of vigilantism. He's a really smart guy. He's also
Speaker 1: a multi billionaire, and that's a superpower if you think
Speaker 1: about it. Batman is above the law and he is is.
Speaker 1: He has a superpower as time travel. Money is just money,
Speaker 1: is just work over time. He didn't build that cave himself.
Speaker 1: I know it's unrelated, but I have to say it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Matt, what were you going to.
Speaker 2: Say, Oh, if a person inside that home was discharging
Speaker 2: a firearm because they were human beings attempting to breach
Speaker 2: the home, and that is that person's home, depending on
Speaker 2: you know, the laws in a lot of places, that
Speaker 2: is completely okay if you're discharging a firearm within your
Speaker 2: own home to protect your home. So that's just something
Speaker 2: we have to keep in mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like a castle doctrine. It's sometimes called m HM.
Speaker 1: And now we see why there we see these discrepancies
Speaker 1: right rit large and apparent. It's completely understandable that these
Speaker 1: discrepancies would exist while the police characterized this as an
Speaker 1: otherwise normal investigation pushed off the rails by an angry
Speaker 1: crowd of you know what, they characterize as vigilantes. People
Speaker 1: believe there's more to the story. Some in fact, currently
Speaker 1: believe that the police were not just be negligent, but
Speaker 1: that they were actively covering up a trafficking ring, a
Speaker 1: conspiracy to kidnap, exploit, and sell children. Here's where it
Speaker 1: gets crazy.
Speaker 2: You guys.
Speaker 3: Remember Frank Nitty We mentioned tim earlier. He was in
Speaker 3: charge of the Facebook live stream that eventually amassed around
Speaker 3: forty thousand active streamers. He's a community organizer. There were
Speaker 3: several folks who are lives shoding, but his was the
Speaker 3: most popular, and he kind of narrated the whole thing
Speaker 3: and kind of did a play by play.
Speaker 2: His beef with this.
Speaker 3: Whole situation was the perceived lack of care on the
Speaker 3: part of police in general in regards to missing children,
Speaker 3: as well as his community's belief that the children had
Speaker 3: gone missing in this house. And he added a couple
Speaker 3: of other slightly disconcerting details. First, he says, there was
Speaker 3: a quote guy in the van, the kind of classic
Speaker 3: you know, Kaiser Soo's a mythical crime scene figure. This
Speaker 3: van was supposedly attacked and then this this this individual
Speaker 3: got away.
Speaker 2: This according to Nitty.
Speaker 3: Second, he explains that part of why the crowd felt
Speaker 3: that this home in particular was a sex trafficking hub
Speaker 3: was because at least one child was placed from the
Speaker 3: residents into a car. He says that he witnessed this
Speaker 3: and then ran away. Yeah, those are some interesting details
Speaker 3: that you're not going to see in any of the
Speaker 3: other reports. And you know, could could well be because
Speaker 3: they didn't happen, but it also could be that they
Speaker 3: were brushed over.
Speaker 1: So Frank Nitty is a community organizer, and he was,
Speaker 1: like several people in the crowd live streaming these events,
Speaker 1: who's also trying to keep things from going out of hand,
Speaker 1: right from turning into a full on riot. So he
Speaker 1: was acting as sort of a diplomat, an ambassador between
Speaker 1: the authorities and between this civilian crowd. He spoke with
Speaker 1: a Sergeant Todd Smollen, and this was shortly before seven pm,
Speaker 1: and Smollen told Nitty, you know, look, you and these
Speaker 1: other members of this crowd, these other civilians are quote
Speaker 1: being used. The implication of that is still a little unclear.
Speaker 1: And nitty negotiated with the authorities, basically saying, look, if
Speaker 1: you do the following things, if you at least get
Speaker 1: this he calls it a tank, but it's probably an
Speaker 1: m rap. If you get this m rap out of here,
Speaker 1: then we can move the protest away. We want this
Speaker 1: to and peacefully. We don't want any more violence than
Speaker 1: we're throwing bricks or molotov cocktails or children getting shot,
Speaker 1: which again did happen. So he walked away saying that
Speaker 1: he felt as organizers they were helping the general situation.
Speaker 1: But then he says, there's an interesting quote here from
Speaker 1: his live stream. He says, before we came out here,
Speaker 1: there were nine kids missing. After we came out here,
Speaker 1: four kids were returned. He later amended it and said
Speaker 1: three kids. So that seems like, at least in his mind,
Speaker 1: there's something deeper to the story than the two missing
Speaker 1: Perkins children.
Speaker 2: And you're right, the big question here, Ben is why
Speaker 2: did two missing kids, you know, who were being reported
Speaker 2: by the mother that the police were allegedly not looking into,
Speaker 2: but of course according to them they were. Why did
Speaker 2: it immediately go to these children are victims of sex
Speaker 2: trafficking of some sort you know, it's one of those
Speaker 2: terrible things that is a reality in a lot of
Speaker 2: places in the world, where it's a possibility at least
Speaker 2: where a child can be abducted and abused in that way.
Speaker 2: But why this time, Well, it's because the city where
Speaker 2: this took place, Milwaukee, has a very deep and very
Speaker 2: dark problem with sex trafficking. And we'll tell you about
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Speaker 1: You're correct, Matt, Milwaukee is unfortunately not unique in this problem.
Speaker 1: And you know Atlanta, for instance, Washington, d C. Cities
Speaker 1: in Texas and California have their own ongoing battles with
Speaker 1: human trafficking and then also with child trafficking for sexual purposes.
Speaker 1: I found this local news station WTMJTV, and in January
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, they reported on very very disturbing trend. Police
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee have responded to more than seventy calls from
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to twenty twenty for human trafficking. And that's
Speaker 1: not the whole city. Those seventy calls are from five hotels.
Speaker 1: Sixty five arrests related to human trafficking occurred around this area.
Speaker 1: On a single stretch of road, again, that's not the
Speaker 1: entire that's one stretch of road. They did have a
Speaker 1: dedicated human trafficking task force that addressed four areas of concern,
Speaker 1: public awareness, service provision, education, and legislation. As far as
Speaker 1: we could find this task force after they were created,
Speaker 1: they made their final report in twenty twelve. A stute
Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, you'll note that that final report in twenty
Speaker 1: twelve occurs three years before that horrifying stat about just
Speaker 1: how many trafficking calls are happening in just one area
Speaker 1: of town. So it appears that there are clusters, there
Speaker 1: are hubs, and you know, I think it's still a
Speaker 1: stretch to accuse the authorities of being complicit in this,
Speaker 1: but clearly their attempts to address it have at the
Speaker 1: very least not been one hundred percent effective. Is that
Speaker 1: a fair way to say it?
Speaker 3: I think it absolutely is. To take it even a
Speaker 3: little further, or maybe even backtracks slightly. You know, the
Speaker 3: situation here with the police force being stretched then because
Speaker 3: of events going on elsewhere in the city. Really do
Speaker 3: feel like, you know, different enough that maybe that that
Speaker 3: led to the delay and respect, it doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: it was a willful delay to me, But I see
Speaker 3: what you're saying, Matt, Like, you know, if this is
Speaker 3: a known sex trafficking area or with that problem in general,
Speaker 3: that maybe they would take the report more seriously without
Speaker 3: it having to check those Amber alert boxes.
Speaker 2: Is that? I think?
Speaker 3: What the what the discussion is here?
Speaker 2: Oh? As in like if the two girls who went
Speaker 2: missing in June of this year, if the report was
Speaker 2: that they were in that area, they would have been
Speaker 2: it would have been taking seriously.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering. I don't know, I'm just wondering, like if
Speaker 3: the police were being derelict because of their you know,
Speaker 3: knowledge about sex trafficking being such a problem in the city,
Speaker 3: and they didn't take these calls seriously enough, what would
Speaker 3: have maybe led them to take it more seriously? I
Speaker 3: mean that, like, how could they have done a better
Speaker 3: job in this situation, I guess is what I'm asking.
Speaker 2: That's tough because according to the police, they did take
Speaker 2: it seriously and they responded immediately and began investigating, right
Speaker 2: at least according to them.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: We you know, we know, especially living in Atlanta, that
Speaker 2: cities and police departments across the United States and the
Speaker 2: world really appear at least according to the statistics and
Speaker 2: to personal experience, to have issues with responding to missing
Speaker 2: black people, to murdered black people, like in the same
Speaker 2: way that they would respond to someone who's not black
Speaker 2: who is either missing or murdered.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Atlanta child murders.
Speaker 2: As I mean referring to that as one of the
Speaker 2: sagas that the country and people then have gone through
Speaker 2: where loved ones disappear and then there doesn't seem to
Speaker 2: be much action taken. And whether that whether that lack
Speaker 2: of action is perceived or real, it doesn't really matter
Speaker 2: to the individual who has a missing loved one.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point. And
Speaker 1: also if we journey a little bit further away from
Speaker 1: the official narrative, we see some distressing claims. The Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Independent has some largely unsubstantiated claims. I'm not saying they're
Speaker 1: not true. I'm saying I couldn't find multiple sources confirming,
Speaker 1: but they they have some unsubstantiated claims that the entire
Speaker 1: set of stories, i should say, has yet to be released.
Speaker 2: To the public.
Speaker 1: And they say there is also hard evidence of trafficking
Speaker 1: occurring at this site. Just south of Washington Park. In
Speaker 1: a specific quote, they say some papers were recovered, including
Speaker 1: what was allegedly since the document has not been released,
Speaker 1: a schedule of what time the girls were solicited out,
Speaker 1: and the name of someone who is connected to the
Speaker 1: operation they did they did. They then name this person
Speaker 1: who they say is they believe is the property owner
Speaker 1: of the residents, a disaster recovery specialist who had been
Speaker 1: again allegedly working as a spiritual leader for children at
Speaker 1: local youth camps.
Speaker 2: And ben just to clarify the site that we're talking
Speaker 2: about here in reference to is this the home that
Speaker 2: was burned or is this that area where the hotels?
Speaker 2: Where are we actually talking about?
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's why I'm saying. That's why I said
Speaker 1: a set of stories, because what we notice here is
Speaker 1: that there are three stories occurring. That's what I would
Speaker 1: categorize this as. The first story is the story of
Speaker 1: two missing children who are thankfully found alive. The second
Speaker 1: story is the story of a house that burned down
Speaker 1: and was believed to be a hub of human trafficking
Speaker 1: by some people by civilians in Milwaukee. And the third
Speaker 1: larger story in which those two earlier stories take place.
Speaker 1: Is the tragic tale of human trafficking in Milwaukee. Overall,
Speaker 1: best evidence to buy that terrifying report of the trafficking
Speaker 1: conspiracy occurring in just one part of town. Unrelated, I
Speaker 1: would say, possibly related. It depends on how far you
Speaker 1: think these kind of webs extend. But again, you know,
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee Independent we have to I want to emphasize
Speaker 1: I did not find additional evidence the papers that they're
Speaker 1: talking about. They're alleging that police investigators when they entered
Speaker 1: the house at that twenty one hundred block. They're saying
Speaker 1: that the investigators found papers there and just have it
Speaker 1: released them to the public, and then the house burned down.
Speaker 1: So according to the latest reports we could find the
Speaker 1: police did do suspect for people of arson. That's a
Speaker 1: big question. Probably a lot of our fellow listeners are wondering,
Speaker 1: right who started the fire? We didn't start the One
Speaker 1: of the four suspects in the arson has been arrested.
Speaker 1: Police were still looking for the rest as of the
Speaker 1: end of June. That may have changed, but again we
Speaker 1: have a happily ever after ending here, at least partially.
Speaker 1: You know, these two children were found, they were able
Speaker 1: to return to their families. But there's a bizarre part
Speaker 1: of the story. No one knows where they were for
Speaker 1: three days. Imagine you have a fifteen year old, a
Speaker 1: thirteen year old and just gone for three days. I
Speaker 1: have never been in charge of a teenager, thankfully, but
Speaker 1: I assume that's abnormal.
Speaker 2: Anyone who does have children out there, or maybe if
Speaker 2: you're even imagining having a child at some point in
Speaker 2: your life, it's hard to know what you would do
Speaker 2: to make sure that child is or to get them
Speaker 2: back if you think they're missing. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: don't want to put you on the spot, Nol, but
Speaker 2: doing as the father of you know.
Speaker 3: She's what they call a tween Matt. But yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's true. I mean, honestly, she does a lot of
Speaker 3: this cosplay stuff, and you know, we allowed her to
Speaker 3: have her own Instagram account, and we've had to be
Speaker 3: very explicit with her because some of it is the
Speaker 3: kind of stuff that weird, pervy dudes could.
Speaker 2: Get off on.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna mince words here,
Speaker 3: and she understands that, and she's super careful. And it's
Speaker 3: a private account. You have to you know, request access
Speaker 3: and she has to know who you are, and she
Speaker 3: knows that she if she ever got creeped on or
Speaker 3: anyone was trying to be like come meet me or
Speaker 3: something like that, she's like, she's smart, she knows what's up.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you have to be pretty vigilant about that
Speaker 3: kind of thing. But you also don't want to make
Speaker 3: your kids living in fear of being abducted or being
Speaker 3: exploited or something. But you have to have a healthy
Speaker 3: fear of that. You know that contingent, which absolutely exists
Speaker 3: out in the world. So it's a fine line between
Speaker 3: living in some kind of constant state of anxiety and
Speaker 3: just being being smart.
Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest things here is just
Speaker 2: imagining that if something did happen, you know, to your child,
Speaker 2: and there is this house or this area somewhere near
Speaker 2: where you live that has, at least according to other
Speaker 2: people who live in the community with you, has been
Speaker 2: reported or attempted to have been reported for things like this,
Speaker 2: like abducting children. And nothing seems to be happening to
Speaker 2: that house or to the people who are in that
Speaker 2: house or in that area, right, and then your child
Speaker 2: goes missing, and what what what do you do? You
Speaker 2: know this, this whole story is just really it's disturbing
Speaker 2: on a lot of levels. But I think the fact
Speaker 2: that as a community there was there was an alarm
Speaker 2: or an attempt to switch that alarm on. Right, Hey,
Speaker 2: something is wrong here, something's going on here. We you know,
Speaker 2: we can't confirm it right now, but you're the police.
Speaker 2: Please check it out and make sure everything's okay. And
Speaker 2: it seems to not have happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because again, as we established at the top of
Speaker 1: this show, these sorts of concerns or allegations, they don't
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere, you know what I mean. Even
Speaker 1: if these allegations end up not being correct, they they
Speaker 1: are not works entirely of fantasy. It reminds me of
Speaker 1: the panic in Central America, in Quatemala specifically, where there
Speaker 1: was if there's a long standing rumor it may still
Speaker 1: be there of foreigners going into the country to abduct
Speaker 1: children for the purpose of harvesting their organs. And it
Speaker 1: sounds crazy there, you know, when you just hear the
Speaker 1: sentence that plainly, just like it might sound crazy to
Speaker 1: some of us hearing people in Milwaukee say the police
Speaker 1: are aiding a child trafficking ring, but we have to remember,
Speaker 1: you know, in the case of Guatemala, this was happening.
Speaker 1: This urban legend came about because there was a seed
Speaker 1: of truth to the idea of child abduction and trafficking.
Speaker 1: And so in Milwaukee there is an established problem with
Speaker 1: human trafficking. People are not making all of this up
Speaker 1: for funsies or something, and it's incredibly disrespectful. I would
Speaker 1: say it's unclean to dismiss those claims out of hand
Speaker 1: without giving them due diligence. I know, alarmism sells and stuff,
Speaker 1: but if we're talking about people's lives, we always have
Speaker 1: to take it seriously. And this is where we get
Speaker 1: to social media, the gift in the curse right, social
Speaker 1: media tells a story that is far different from the
Speaker 1: official narrative of the Milwaukee PD in several key ways.
Speaker 1: And again this all has to be qualified as speculation.
Speaker 1: They're not we There have been no papers found or
Speaker 1: publicly acknowledge that shows something as explicit as like a
Speaker 1: schedule of solicitation and trafficking. And if you think about it,
Speaker 1: that kind of be a weird thing to write down
Speaker 1: unless you wanted blackmail or extortion abilities later. But I
Speaker 1: doubt this was Russian compromont or something like that. The
Speaker 1: social media stuff, you know, it has the same reports.
Speaker 1: You can see it on Twitter and can see it
Speaker 1: on Facebook. You'll see people claiming that neighbors in the
Speaker 1: area have been trying to report this house multiple times,
Speaker 1: they got no results for maybe months or years before
Speaker 1: this event. And then it gets to the question of
Speaker 1: the fire, the fire actually happened, why did it happen.
Speaker 1: You'll find people on social media saying that the fire
Speaker 1: was purposely set ablaze to hide evidence, not by an
Speaker 1: angry quote unquote mob, but maybe by someone working with
Speaker 1: the police, working with this trafficking ring. I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you guys.
Speaker 3: Think certainly would be counterproductive of the mob to set
Speaker 3: the house on fire, if in fact it was the
Speaker 3: site of these abuses. It would be very shortsighted at
Speaker 3: the very least of them to give in to that
Speaker 3: kind of anger and just go all out in that direction,
Speaker 3: if they really were concerned with justice and finding out
Speaker 3: the truth. Cause if you burn that house down, you
Speaker 3: basically obliterate all possible evidence and the ability to actually
Speaker 3: bring anyone potentially involved in these crimes to justice.
Speaker 2: Right for sure, you know, I was just talking. We
Speaker 2: were talking off Mike a little bit. But there are
Speaker 2: photographs you can see on Twitter. That's how we saw them.
Speaker 2: They're photographs of the van or a van in the
Speaker 2: back of the house that was burned as much as
Speaker 2: the house itself was. I do not know. I cannot confirm.
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys can. I cannot if that van is
Speaker 2: the one that we've talked about a few times throughout
Speaker 2: this story. It seems like it may have been, but
Speaker 2: I you know, I can't give you a hundred percent
Speaker 2: proof yes, that's the one, But it was burned, and
Speaker 2: allegedly there was a bed in that van, and it
Speaker 2: looks like there may have been one even in the
Speaker 2: charred remains of it. And there was also allegedly a
Speaker 2: pair of bloody shorts. I think that was located there,
Speaker 2: at least according to some people. If you you know,
Speaker 2: if you burn it, then how you get it? How
Speaker 2: do you get DNA evidence from that? The other thing
Speaker 2: I would point out here is that just when you're
Speaker 2: thinking about motivation of why the house would burned outside
Speaker 2: of it being purposefully done to hide evidence, and this
Speaker 2: is me kind of putting myself in the shoes of
Speaker 2: somebody else here. But if you imagine that, you know
Speaker 2: that this house for sure in your mind is a
Speaker 2: hub of sex trafficking, and the police don't seem to
Speaker 2: be doing anything about it. What can I do? Well,
Speaker 2: I'm going to burn that thing to the ground, right
Speaker 2: that I can imagine that that's the mindset at least
Speaker 2: that went into attempting to set the house on fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is possibly an example of what people do
Speaker 1: when we feel powerless, when we want to confront something
Speaker 1: that we otherwise feel incapable of confronting. One thing that
Speaker 1: is important to note here is that the residents, Chad
Speaker 1: and Believe, four adults and two children on the books
Speaker 1: is living there. That residence is gone. The people who
Speaker 1: live there have no place to go, including Jalisa Hall, who,
Speaker 1: as we said, was giving birth while her house was burning.
Speaker 1: I've found a go fund me page that was created
Speaker 1: by her sister in law to raise money for the
Speaker 1: family so that they would have a place to sleep,
Speaker 1: they would be able to replace some of the many
Speaker 1: possessions that burned down in the fire. I just want
Speaker 1: to I'm saying this because I want to establish that
Speaker 1: there are people who are living there, their lives go on,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And if you look at
Speaker 1: this GoFundMe or that story, of course, it's not like
Speaker 1: the New York Times or pro Publica in terms of
Speaker 1: reporting or something, but it does it doesn't show any
Speaker 1: mention of crime or human trafficking.
Speaker 2: It shows that.
Speaker 1: Their house burned down and she lost everything, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And if you look at the comments,
Speaker 1: then you don't see anybody saying that this is some
Speaker 1: kind of you know, money grab on behalf of a
Speaker 1: train athicking ring. I think it's interesting because it's another
Speaker 1: conflicting narrative here.
Speaker 2: Ben, Thank you for pointing this out. One thing I
Speaker 2: noticed on the post here, under the description right of
Speaker 2: this GoFundMe that we're discussing here, it says she was
Speaker 2: living upstairs with others, right, and there were others living downstairs,
Speaker 2: and it says quote she nor anyone upstairs had anything
Speaker 2: to do with what was happening downstairs, and were in
Speaker 2: contact with the proper people during everything and did everything
Speaker 2: they asked unquote. Interesting, right, It does feel as though
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just speaking to what's being
Speaker 2: said on social media or the allegations about what's going on,
Speaker 2: or maybe they have in this person or this family,
Speaker 2: or maybe they do have information that we just don't know, and.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're being unfairly targeted by the court of public opinion,
Speaker 1: which has no such thing as due process right and
Speaker 1: has no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. So
Speaker 1: the allegation here, again unsubstantiated, is that the police were
Speaker 1: actively protecting traffickers, that's the worst case scenario, and possibly
Speaker 1: taking a cut of the profits in return. Police corruption
Speaker 1: is a real thing, but police corruption tends to occur
Speaker 1: at an individual or small group level. Often it's like
Speaker 1: factions of things, you know. That's it's one person going
Speaker 1: outside the law, and then maybe other people complicit by
Speaker 1: not reporting that person right or supporting them in their
Speaker 1: criminal endeavor. The idea that an entire department would be
Speaker 1: active is.
Speaker 2: Less likely.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I mean, what do you think
Speaker 1: is this an actual active cover upper conspiracy on the
Speaker 1: part of police departartment. We found allegations and rumors about this.
Speaker 1: We found solid proof of Milwaukee's trafficking problem, that's its
Speaker 1: old web of conspiracies, but we didn't find hard evidence
Speaker 1: of police participation in trafficking. We found a lot of
Speaker 1: evidence that people in Milwaukee feel police are not.
Speaker 3: Doing all they can or.
Speaker 1: Should with reports of missing children. But here also, you know,
Speaker 1: we have to ask where did this trafficking concern come from?
Speaker 1: Is this something that grew in the sustrius of uncertainty
Speaker 1: during you know, a crowds protests as it began moving
Speaker 1: as a unit. It's a known problem in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: I just I don't know, it's tough to know any
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But Ben, I'm going back really quickly
Speaker 2: to what you were talking about with individual police officers
Speaker 2: and corruption and you know, small groups of people working
Speaker 2: together in a corrupt way. When dealing with any kind
Speaker 2: of authority group like that, I would just say, when
Speaker 2: there is a powerful person involved that is more powerful
Speaker 2: than a police officer or a lieutenant or a chief
Speaker 2: even involved in any kind of activity, I think that's
Speaker 2: when corruption really comes into play. And I'm speaking completely
Speaker 2: on generalities here, but we've seen in the past on
Speaker 2: a couple episodes where when somebody very very powerful we're
Speaker 2: talking politicians, maybe even a religious leader or somebody who
Speaker 2: holds sway over a lot of other people is involved
Speaker 2: in doing something illegal or nefarious or downright monstrous, as
Speaker 2: in human sex trafficking with children, the necessary amount of
Speaker 2: cooperation with a police force on a wide scale, I
Speaker 2: think rises I.
Speaker 1: As see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's true that in the past, the allegations of
Speaker 1: this sort have been proven, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: If this were true, it would not be the unfortunately,
Speaker 1: not be the first case. It's just and this is
Speaker 1: entirely my own perspective. I did not find. I did
Speaker 1: not find stuff that I thought was hard evidence of trafficking.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's because there's more to the story that
Speaker 1: hasn't been put out there, you know, in which point
Speaker 1: at which point I would I would propose that we
Speaker 1: passed the torch to our fellow conspiracy realist. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think do you think this is panic?
Speaker 1: I'm part of a crowd, however well intentioned. Do you
Speaker 1: think that there is more to the story? Where are
Speaker 1: why are there discrepancies between the official accounts and the
Speaker 1: accounts that we see from civilians or from people reacting
Speaker 1: to this online. We want to know, And if you're
Speaker 1: from Milwaukee, tell us, tell us what you can about
Speaker 1: what appears to be an ongoing struggle with human trafficking.
Speaker 1: And again not to pick on Milwaukee, this is very
Speaker 1: this is unfortunately a common problem in a lot of cities,
Speaker 1: and a lot of US cities, I mean pre pandemic.
Speaker 1: We can't forget Atlanta, Georgia had the world's busiest airport.
Speaker 1: It was a trafficking hub, so we're aware of that
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I don't know, this does seem
Speaker 3: like a perfect storm of anger and resentment towards the
Speaker 3: police and miscommunication and the big problem with these live
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