WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Did Milwaukee Police Protect a Child Abuse Ring? 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:04.160 Fellow conspiracy realist. The following classic from twenty twenty may 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:08.840 not be appropriate for all audiences. Just a heads up 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:11.760 back in back in that. 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:12.760 Year, five years ago. 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:17.640 Now, you guys, we learned that children were going missing 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:19.880 in Milwaukee. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.880 That's right, and the term that was thrown around at 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.960 the time was critically missing, meaning that an amber alert 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.680 was issued. Family members of the missing kids took it 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:34.159 upon themselves to do some detective work, digging into their 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.840 children's phone records and traced them to a duplex. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:43.040 This is really dark stuff everybody, including allegations of a 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.000 cover up, so dark one to get into it this 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.000 time of year, but hey, this is important, so we're 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:49.559 going to do it. 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.960 Let's roll the tape from UFOs to Psychic powers and 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:58.840 government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:02.200 turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:11.319 you to know. A production of iHeartRadio. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.680 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:19.920 my name is Noel. 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:22.880 They call me Ben. We are joined as always with 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.720 our super producer Paul. Mission control decands, most importantly, you 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:31.759 are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.160 They don't want you to know. We live in what 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.360 could be described as interesting times, right, And if you're 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.400 hearing this around the time we record it on July 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.960 twenty fourth, twenty twenty, then you know the US and 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:54.280 many other nations are currently dealing with a reassessment of 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:59.280 how the civilian community should be treated by authorities, how 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.920 they should inter act with those authorities. And there's no 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:06.840 question that, at least in the US, communities are specifically 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.919 questioning how much they do or do not trust the police. 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.960 The ongoing protests unquestionably play a huge role in this. 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.360 But these attitudes didn't just pop up suddenly out of 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:20.960 the blue. They didn't come from nowhere, and they're not 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:26.000 a recent thing by any means. Back in twenty sixteen, 0:02:26.400 --> 0:02:30.239 the Cato Institute, which is a libertarian think tank, found 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:35.160 that seventy nine percent of Americans support outside investigations of 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:39.760 police misconduct. Eighty nine percent support the use of body cameras. 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.400 And it's not unusual right to ask for that accountability. 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.160 And it's not unusual for us as humans to distrust 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:50.280 people in authority. After all, one of the defining characteristics 0:02:50.280 --> 0:02:54.360 of power is that it is inherently vulnerable to abuse, 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.600 So our show today takes place in this vast, at 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:06.840 times contradictory, paradoxical ecology of power abuse, accountability, and possibly 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.520 cover ups. Today's story is very strange when you may have, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.680 like us, heard about it momentarily of quick headline, a 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:17.680 blip on a chiron at your local news station, and 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:23.200 so on. But here's today's question. Did the Milwaukee police 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.240 just protect a child abuse ring? I know, I know 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.960 it sounds pretty crazy, and we'll get to the crazy part, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.560 but first, here are the facts. 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.920 So around five o'clock on Sunday, June twenty first, twenty twenty, 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:42.080 two young girls in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, go missing, their last 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.800 scene in the twenty nine hundred block of North twenty 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:51.840 first Street. Their names are Tidriana and Gilbriana Perkins, fifteen 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.640 and thirteen, respectively, and according to police Sergeant Efren Cornejo, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.200 is an amazing name. They're reported missing about four four 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:05.440 hours later, but according to the official police department response 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:09.520 and records, that girls were not considered critically missing. I 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:11.840 think this is something that's important for everyone to get 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:12.600 their heads around. 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:13.720 I needed to. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.680 There are some pretty specific criteria that will trigger an 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.919 AMBER alert, which is you know, basically a system that 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.440 will push a notification to every cell phone in the area, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.960 will be on billboards that are available, and all of 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.159 that stuff. Matt, I believe you had that list. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:34.159 The biggest thing is an Amber alert is issued if 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.640 it is believed that the child is in some kind 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:41.039 of immediate danger or possible serious harm or even death 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:45.279 if this child is not located. If you go to 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:49.680 the city of Milwaukee itself, they've got a standard operating 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:55.160 procedure part of a handbook essentially, or you know, the 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.960 protocols for what to do when there's a missing person's 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:01.440 and in there it describes a lot about children and 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.080 minors in particular who go missing, and you know what 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:09.760 constitutes a missing person. The main takeaway from here though, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.240 by the way, as we're thinking about the story and 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.400 telling you about it, in this document it has a 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.919 note that says there is no twenty four hour waiting 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.800 period for department members to file a missing report on 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.440 any missing person. Missing reports shall be accepted without delay. 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:29.160 Yeah, yeah, that's that's a I appreciate you busting that 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.000 myth is something that has been very good to fictional crime. 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:36.800 Shows the idea that one must wait twenty four hours 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.560 because it's a hell of a plot device. But it's 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:43.880 just not true. If you think somebody is missing, then 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.320 report them, because in fact the opposite is true. The 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.840 first twenty four hours of someone being reported missing are 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:55.560 the most crucial hours of an investigation, at least an 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:59.480 investigation that you want to result in someone being found 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:05.360 safe and alive. The idea of critical missing here has, 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:10.599 according to Milwaukee six points. Matt, as you said, the 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:15.479 most important one is the idea that this person might 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:19.240 be in physical danger. They might be risk to themselves, 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.680 whether that means whether it's because they're suicidal or they 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:27.279 have you know, drug issues, or a mental or physical issue. 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.360 One interesting point here is that according to Milwaukee PD, 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:37.839 the person missing is automatically considered critically missing if they're 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:43.680 age eleven or younger. And the two children who disappeared, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:51.320 Tiitriana Perkins and Gilbriana Perkins were both over eleven. Titriana 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.560 is fifteen or was fifteen at the time, and Gilbriana 0:06:54.800 --> 0:07:00.000 was thirteen. So as cold as it sounds, this is 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:04.000 procedural thing from the perspective of the police, right it 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.960 just doesn't tick the right boxes. To become an Amber alert. 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.200 And we should keep in mind that while these investigations 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:19.040 are occurring, people are protesting in Milwaukee against systemic racism, 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:24.720 against what they see as the callous and illegal actions 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:29.840 of authorities, including the Milwaukee PD. So it's not as 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.840 if this is occurring on a routine day. There are 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:35.840 already people out protesting. And this is where we get 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.320 to this specific day. You know, if you read about 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:42.960 this in the news, most of the coverage was focused 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:47.960 on this day, Tuesday, June twenty third, because over the 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:53.520 course of several hours, this missing person's investigation morphed into 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.040 something unprecedented. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.800 It really did, and it has a lot to do 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.120 with what we were describing early, which is just you know, 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.239 the criteria to report a missing person to get police involvement. 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.560 And just to be fair, Matt, I mean, that's sort 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:10.960 of it's needed, right, I mean, to you know, want 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:14.400 to report every single you know call that comes in 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.800 and and blast it out as an AMBER alert, that 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:21.360 would sort of diminish the value of that that safeguard, right, 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.720 like if the right. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:29.080 Sure, I mean absolutely there are going to be you know, 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:33.000 statistically a number of missing person's reports that are generated 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.120 of someone who is just you know, their phone died 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.800 and they had to do something else. There was an 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.160 emergency that they couldn't notify anyone about, right, or uh, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:47.360 a minor willingly abscond somewhere. Right. But this is what 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:48.679 I wanted to get to you really quickly before we 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.040 jump into exactly what happened on that same Milwaukee PD 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:56.880 document under critical missing, like the classification of critical missing 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:00.920 that Ben noted, the person if they're eleven years are younger, 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:05.840 they're critical missing. Another thing in here is that it 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:09.640 states a person is considered critical missing if there is 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:14.280 quote reasonable suspicion to believe the disappearance of the missing 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.520 person is not voluntary and or the missing person is 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:21.000 the victim of foul play. Now putting that in there, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.680 saying that there is reasonable suspicion means that the officer 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:30.600 taking that report essentially is that that person or they're superior, 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.959 gets to make the call of whether or not this 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.480 suspicion is reasonable. It's not like the mother reporting a 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.679 missing person. It's not the wife or the husband or 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.319 the child. It's the officer and maybe they're superior. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.760 It's a good seed to plant, map because I think 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.240 that I think I see where you're going with this. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.439 There is subjectivity to some degree on the part of 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:57.320 the officer or the person in authority filing that report. 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:00.960 So this is going to come into play in a 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:06.000 massive way further into our story. You probably saw this 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:10.160 report about a crowd gathering at a house. But one 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.720 thing a lot of news outlets did not report is 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:17.280 how this crowd, some of whom were concerned neighbors, some 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.720 of whom were searching for these kids themselves, and some 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:23.640 who are already out protesting right how did they find 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.280 this house. It's an interesting story. The mother of one 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.760 of the missing girls was able to ping the kid's 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:37.120 cell phone, and the cell phone was located in a 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:41.839 two story townhouse in Milwaukee on the twenty one hundred 0:10:41.920 --> 0:10:45.720 block of North fortieth Street. This is, for anyone familiar 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:49.160 with the area, just south of Washington Park. So this mother, 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.240 along with several other people that she knew, physically went 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:56.880 to this property. And this was in addition to calling police. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.400 According to their account, this is the first part where 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.400 they accounts differ. According to her account, the police apparently 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:09.440 ignored these requests these missing persons reports for about ten hours. 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.319 So to your point, Matt, maybe they considered them not well, 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:17.080 we know they did not consider them quote unquote critically endangered. 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:21.320 They didn't think they qualified for an Amber alert. So 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:26.200 around ten am at this place, the police have on 0:11:26.280 --> 0:11:29.120 their side of the story, they've been investigating for two days, 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.040 that's what they say, ever since this was reported. But 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:35.760 a group of civilians starts to gather at this house 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:39.320 where that cell phone ping allegedly originated from. 0:11:39.600 --> 0:11:41.719 And let's just just add in like not that this 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.800 is you know, this is a whole separate discussion in 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.880 and of itself, but the police are certainly going to 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.760 be stretched a little thin with doing crowd control just 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.920 the other protests you know, that are happening elsewhere in 0:11:51.960 --> 0:11:55.559 the city at this point, there likely would have been 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.000 some police presence just to make sure that things didn' 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.959 get out of control. And you know, there's certainly in 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.800 a case to be made that there was a lot 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:06.160 of overstepping and a lot of like overreaction to that stuff, 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.360 and then it necessarily didn't need to tie up the 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:11.680 police force in that way. But that certainly could account 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.360 for the ten hour delay, in addition to it not 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:16.000 meeting those amber alert criteria. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:19.240 It is a good point. Another point to make here 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:25.920 is that pinging a cell phone is not always going 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.440 to be as accurate as you may hope it to be, 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:31.640 because you are talking about triangulation and using various cell 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:35.000 phone towers to try and figure out exactly where a 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.319 cell phone is at any given time. If you ever 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.120 look at your location services on your phone, sometimes it's 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.840 going to show you somewhere in your backyard or maybe 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.920 at your neighbor's house. Just putting this out there, as 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.200 it's not one hundred percent accurate, So that's what this 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:50.679 would have been. 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:52.800 It would have been like a find my iPhone situation 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.320 or like you know, something that the mother could trigger 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.760 from her device, not actually involving the phone company. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.400 I don't know exactly how how they were what method 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.600 they used to ping the cell phone, but no matter 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:07.040 how they did it, it was using probably LTE or 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:11.559 some other kind of cell phone signal towers to triangulate 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:16.120 the location. I'm not saying that it's absolutely inaccurate, right, 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.400 but I'm just saying there is a degree of maybe 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:21.839 that wasn't the exact house. Sure, just putting it. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.640 Out there, and these houses are Also, if you look 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.240 at pictures of the neighborhood, these houses are also pretty 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.040 close together, so and it's a densely populated area, so 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:35.280 it's possible that that's not one hundred percent accurate. Back 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:38.600 to the events there, the group that has gathered right, 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.240 they believe that these two children are being held inside 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.120 this house, and this house, will come to find has 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:51.960 a story all its own. Police are investigating inside the house. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:57.360 They're not letting the civilians in and according to the police, 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.120 and we'll get more into their story in a second. 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:04.240 According to thee some members of the crowd, the civilian crowds, 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:08.560 became agitated and some people in the crowd threw bricks 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.000 at the officers. This resulted in more police being called 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.880 to the scene. By the middle of the afternoon, that 0:14:14.960 --> 0:14:20.080 crowd that started with an intensely distressed mother looking for 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:24.000 a child had grown to number in the hundreds and 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:28.400 there were fifteen to twenty police officers forming a human 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:32.600 line a chain outside of the house to hold back 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:37.880 the crowd. They wanted in because they believed that the 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:43.480 Milwaukee PD had a long standing policy of ignoring these 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:48.320 reports of missing children, especially if the missing children were 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:49.440 not white. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.560 And so at this point, you know, this civilian group 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:55.000 that's assembling is starting to grow. They're starting to take 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.760 matage into their own hand and search the area because 0:14:57.760 --> 0:15:02.200 they feel like they're not being heard. They're angry that 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.680 the police took so long to respond in the first place. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:08.200 And so the crowd starts to kind of move towards 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.560 the house. Some individuals actually break into the house. Some 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:16.320 folks are smashing out windows. There's a vehicle parked on 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:22.040 the property. Others start knocking on doors nearby, you know, 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.320 demanding to you know, to see these girls, or are 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:28.560 asking if they're there. And then, just before six o'clock, 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.680 five point forty five, to be precise, members of the crowd, 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:36.280 which at this point is you know, quite large and 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.720 very angry. I mean, you have to remember, there's a 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.640 lot to be angry about. There's protests going on about 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.560 the death of George Floyd, and the whole notion of 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.160 not trusting the police is very top of mind right now. 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:53.800 So they actually set fire to a vehicle, a couch, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.520 and then the house in question. 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.240 Then not only do you have a police presence there, 0:15:59.360 --> 0:16:03.480 you've now introduced the fire department, local fire departments, which, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:07.880 you know, it really does bring another element of sirens, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.880 of large vehicles trying to get through crowds of you know, 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:16.240 firefighters trying to find a sufficient source of water to 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.360 actually start putting the fire out, and just chaos is 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.360 what you That's how you can describe it. Essentially, the 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.160 police force there is attempting to control the crowd essentially 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.400 to some extent. Right we talked about how they were 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.880 They already had a fence, a human fence essentially around 0:16:32.000 --> 0:16:35.120 this house, and they're trying to do crowd control, and 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:40.760 then a massive fire just metaphorically sets the entire situation 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.800 on fire right in this in this weird way, there's 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.760 also reportedly, by the way, molotov cocktails that were used 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:51.000 in this, at least that's according to the local reporting. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.320 I actually didn't see that in any video, but maybe 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.240 you guys did. I didn't see it. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:02.720 So we see that the discrepancies between the authorities narrative 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.280 and the narrative of the people in the civilian crowd 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.000 who are live streaming on Facebook and active on social media, 0:17:09.600 --> 0:17:14.679 these discrepancies only increase. By the end of this three 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:18.919 people had been shot, two fourteen year olds one twenty 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:23.119 four year old. Other people, civilians and authorities of firefighters 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:28.480 and police alike had been injured. The shootings are also 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:32.439 their own kind of bag of terrible badgers. Police responded 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:37.880 eventually by deploying what is misleadingly termed non lethal right 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.280 non lethal measures, So that would be your whitman's sampler 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.760 of a protest response, things like tear gas, rubber bullets, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:51.040 pepper spray that was deployed on protesters. Several were injured. 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.600 After seven pm, led by a guy we'll meet later 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.760 called Frank Nitti, a small group in the crowd began 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.400 a protest march away from the site. They were followed 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:04.320 by a caravan of vehicles. I think it's important for 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.880 us to say windows were smashed out of this vehicle 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:10.639 that was parked on the property. It's a van, right, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.600 and one of the people in the house got away, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.879 and there were things in that van that could have 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:21.159 been very important to the concerns of the crowd. We 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.400 do have a bit of good news though. The two girls, 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:29.760 the Perkins children, were found the next day. On Wednesday, 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:32.760 police reported first that one child had been found, then 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.359 that both children were found and were with their families. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.359 At the time, Milwaukee PD stated they had found no 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.280 evidence that these children were ever at the house that 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:46.360 was set on fire. They additionally found no evidence that 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.679 the children were involved with any of the events that 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:53.920 occurred during this investigation turned into a protest, turned into 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:59.080 unrest at that site on Tuesday. I did find one 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.880 one Thing'stani's looking for the names of the people who 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.440 live in this house. And this is according to the neighborhood, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.399 this is one of those houses that everybody kind of 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.919 talks about. I think we all grow up with a 0:19:11.960 --> 0:19:16.280 creepy house in some neighborhood, and this one had been 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.199 the subject of a lot of scrutiny. But I was 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:23.760 having trouble finding who actually lived there. I eventually found 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:29.920 some folks. One person, Jalisa Hall, was a resident of 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.400 the house, but she wasn't there during the events of Tuesday, 0:19:33.480 --> 0:19:37.000 June twenty third. She was at Saint Joe's Hospital when 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:40.040 the home was burning down because she was giving birth. 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.760 That has got to be a very tough day for her. 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:47.600 And as we've kind of, you know, hinted at, there's 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:51.760 a real division between the narratives of the Facebook live 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.520 streamers and the folks that are assembled and the police 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.960 the official story, and we're going to get more into 0:19:59.000 --> 0:19:59.880 those discrepancies. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:09.080 After a quick word from our sponsor, Okay, we're back. 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.760 Now we're gonna hear from the police their side of 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.560 the story here, and much of what we've learned has 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:21.080 come from Police Chief Alfonso Morales of the Milwaukee Police Department. 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:26.120 He's given several public addresses about this. The primary one 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:31.159 came on Tuesday, that was immediately following the events that 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:33.840 we've been talking about just now, the house being burned 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.640 and everything that went down at that location. So here's 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.960 what we've got according to him and the police in general. 0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.200 They responded to that twenty one hundred block of North 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:48.600 fortieth Street on Monday, so that's the day after the 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:52.919 girls were reported missing. He's got logs that show the 0:20:52.920 --> 0:20:56.199 police department went there twice on Monday night, not to 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.920 that particular house, but to that area. They went one 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:03.879 at according these logs, ten to eleven PM for quote 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.600 trouble with a subject call, then again an hour later 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:12.320 for a report of some threat. There was this televised 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.400 statement that you can watch right now on YouTube if 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:16.960 you want to look for it. Yourself. He gave it 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.160 on Tuesday, that's when we're referring to here. He announced 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.480 that police responded to multiple incidents and reports at that 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:28.760 general location and several other places. They are claiming both 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:33.239 times that officers checked the location, they found nothing that 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.840 would seem to indicate that the children were there right 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.680 or were ever there. The police said that while they 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:43.800 were there, and this should be on Tuesday, if I'm 0:21:43.840 --> 0:21:48.240 not mistaken, guys, that there was exchange of gunfire and 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:50.879 it was between somebody inside the house, the one that 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:53.679 ended up getting burned, and people who were attempting to 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.879 get into the house. In this statement, Chief Morales characterizes 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:00.719 the civilians that we've been to talking about who were 0:22:00.720 --> 0:22:05.639 outside the house as of vigilantes very purposefully. So I 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:10.080 think sure, and he's also not wrong, but it's also 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:11.600 a loaded term. 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.000 Ice again trying to control that narrative and steer that 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:16.400 narrative right exactly. 0:22:16.720 --> 0:22:21.359 And after he just gave his prepared statement, he was 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.280 then asked several questions by reporters. 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:29.760 Yeah, this is interesting. So this is something that I clocked. 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:35.000 I've been following this since since it occurred, just to 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.800 see what's shaking out. Here, this part of the state 0:22:39.000 --> 0:22:44.200 of the televised statement is fascinating because reporters are openly asking. 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:48.719 They're saying, you know, how do you respond to the 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:53.720 numerous Milwaukee residents who think police don't care about reports 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:57.400 of missing children if they're black. How do you respond 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:03.960 to the continuing allegations that these missing children cases do 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.480 not get the attention they deserve and the police don't 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:09.760 take them as seriously as they should. And then the 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:14.080 same reporter follows up and says, and what about the 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:19.280 fact that the houses in this area have been known 0:23:19.320 --> 0:23:22.680 in the past as proven locations of sex trafficking or 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:25.439 human trafficking. The reporter is saying this, this isn't me 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:30.320 and the police chief Dodd kind of dodges the question, 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:35.760 and Morales responds saying, look, the police can only investigate 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:41.080 what's reported to us. And then he doubles down on vigilantism, 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.360 so he doesn't ever actually answer that question. And when 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:48.400 he's pushed on it, the question about trafficking and trafficking 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:51.119 in the past, he says that the department does not 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:56.000 have the necessary information to make a statement, but another 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:59.520 reporter confirms that the house had multiple calls to police 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:06.359 over time, and then in response, Morales says, the same 0:24:06.400 --> 0:24:10.080 families lived there since twenty seventeen, which is an answer, 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:12.760 but it's an answer to an entirely different question. 0:24:13.040 --> 0:24:16.280 Assistant calls from the house to the police over time, 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:21.199 or calls reporting recording the house is suspicious or something. 0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:24.720 The police have been have received reports about the house 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:27.720 multiple times. Some of those could have come from inside 0:24:27.720 --> 0:24:31.359 the house. Maybe you know, it's an aggregate number. This 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:36.080 has been reported multiple times. Morales confirms that some people 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:41.600 were removed from the residents and refuses to comment when 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:46.120 asked about the age of the people who were removed. 0:24:46.280 --> 0:24:48.520 Those people, by the way, that's an interesting story. They 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:54.440 were removed hidden under yellow tarps and shuffled away into vehicles. 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:58.240 A point for that though, in any case, I think 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:00.679 you're going to want to keep those the identity of 0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:05.640 those people hidden, because you are talking about a gathered 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:10.360 group of people who are pure to be angry, and 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:14.280 they have they have an idea of what they believe 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.240 is going on there, and if it is not proven 0:25:17.280 --> 0:25:21.760 with evidence, then you know, the people in that house 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.679 could be completely innocent and we just don't know. And 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.760