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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. The following classic from twenty twenty may

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Speaker 1: back in back in that.

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Speaker 2: Year, five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Now, you guys, we learned that children were going missing

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and the term that was thrown around at

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Speaker 3: the time was critically missing, meaning that an amber alert

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Speaker 3: was issued. Family members of the missing kids took it

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Speaker 3: upon themselves to do some detective work, digging into their

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Speaker 3: children's phone records and traced them to a duplex.

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Speaker 2: This is really dark stuff everybody, including allegations of a

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Speaker 2: cover up, so dark one to get into it this

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Speaker 2: time of year, but hey, this is important, so we're

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Speaker 2: going to do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's roll the tape from UFOs to Psychic powers and

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Speaker 1: government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can

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Speaker 1: turn back now or learn this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. A production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul. Mission control decands, most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. We live in what

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Speaker 1: could be described as interesting times, right, And if you're

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Speaker 1: hearing this around the time we record it on July

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Speaker 1: many other nations are currently dealing with a reassessment of

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Speaker 1: how the civilian community should be treated by authorities, how

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Speaker 1: they should inter act with those authorities. And there's no

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Speaker 1: questioning how much they do or do not trust the police.

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Speaker 1: The ongoing protests unquestionably play a huge role in this.

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Speaker 1: But these attitudes didn't just pop up suddenly out of

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Speaker 1: the blue. They didn't come from nowhere, and they're not

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Speaker 1: a recent thing by any means. Back in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 1: the Cato Institute, which is a libertarian think tank, found

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Speaker 1: that seventy nine percent of Americans support outside investigations of

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Speaker 1: police misconduct. Eighty nine percent support the use of body cameras.

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Speaker 1: And it's not unusual right to ask for that accountability.

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Speaker 1: And it's not unusual for us as humans to distrust

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Speaker 1: people in authority. After all, one of the defining characteristics

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Speaker 1: So our show today takes place in this vast, at

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Speaker 1: times contradictory, paradoxical ecology of power abuse, accountability, and possibly

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Speaker 1: cover ups. Today's story is very strange when you may have,

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Speaker 1: like us, heard about it momentarily of quick headline, a

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Speaker 1: so on. But here's today's question. Did the Milwaukee police

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Speaker 1: just protect a child abuse ring? I know, I know

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Speaker 1: it sounds pretty crazy, and we'll get to the crazy part,

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Speaker 1: but first, here are the facts.

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Speaker 3: So around five o'clock on Sunday, June twenty first, twenty twenty,

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Speaker 3: two young girls in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, go missing, their last

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Speaker 3: There are some pretty specific criteria that will trigger an

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Speaker 2: The biggest thing is an Amber alert is issued if

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Speaker 3: And just to be fair, Matt, I mean, that's sort

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Speaker 1: It's a good seed to plant, map because I think

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Speaker 1: There is subjectivity to some degree on the part of

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Speaker 1: So this is going to come into play in a

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Speaker 2: It is a good point. Another point to make here

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Speaker 3: It would have been like a find my iPhone situation

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Speaker 3: or like you know, something that the mother could trigger

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Speaker 1: Out there, and these houses are Also, if you look

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Speaker 2: Now we're gonna hear from the police their side of

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Speaker 2: He's given several public addresses about this. The primary one

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Speaker 3: Ice again trying to control that narrative and steer that

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Speaker 2: To me, that doesn't feel odd.

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Speaker 1: There are also a number of reasons that these people

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Matt, what were you going to.

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Speaker 2: the home, and that is that person's home, depending on

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Speaker 2: you know, the laws in a lot of places, that

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Speaker 2: is completely okay if you're discharging a firearm within your

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Speaker 2: own home to protect your home. So that's just something

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Speaker 2: we have to keep in mind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like a castle doctrine. It's sometimes called m HM.

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Speaker 1: And now we see why there we see these discrepancies

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Speaker 1: right rit large and apparent. It's completely understandable that these

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Speaker 1: discrepancies would exist while the police characterized this as an

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Speaker 1: otherwise normal investigation pushed off the rails by an angry

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Speaker 1: crowd of you know what, they characterize as vigilantes. People

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Speaker 1: believe there's more to the story. Some in fact, currently

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Speaker 1: believe that the police were not just be negligent, but

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Speaker 1: that they were actively covering up a trafficking ring, a

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Speaker 1: conspiracy to kidnap, exploit, and sell children. Here's where it

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Speaker 1: gets crazy.

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Speaker 2: You guys.

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Speaker 3: Remember Frank Nitty We mentioned tim earlier. He was in

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Speaker 3: charge of the Facebook live stream that eventually amassed around

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Speaker 3: forty thousand active streamers. He's a community organizer. There were

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Speaker 3: several folks who are lives shoding, but his was the

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Speaker 3: most popular, and he kind of narrated the whole thing

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Speaker 3: and kind of did a play by play.

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Speaker 2: His beef with this.

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Speaker 3: Whole situation was the perceived lack of care on the

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Speaker 3: part of police in general in regards to missing children,

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Speaker 3: as well as his community's belief that the children had

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Speaker 3: gone missing in this house. And he added a couple

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Speaker 3: of other slightly disconcerting details. First, he says, there was

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Speaker 3: a quote guy in the van, the kind of classic

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Speaker 3: you know, Kaiser Soo's a mythical crime scene figure. This

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Speaker 3: van was supposedly attacked and then this this this individual

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Speaker 3: got away.

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Speaker 2: This according to Nitty.

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Speaker 3: Second, he explains that part of why the crowd felt

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Speaker 3: that this home in particular was a sex trafficking hub

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Speaker 3: was because at least one child was placed from the

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Speaker 3: residents into a car. He says that he witnessed this

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Speaker 3: and then ran away. Yeah, those are some interesting details

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Speaker 3: that you're not going to see in any of the

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Speaker 3: other reports. And you know, could could well be because

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Speaker 3: they didn't happen, but it also could be that they

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Speaker 3: were brushed over.

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Speaker 1: So Frank Nitty is a community organizer, and he was,

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Speaker 1: like several people in the crowd live streaming these events,

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Speaker 1: who's also trying to keep things from going out of hand,

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Speaker 1: right from turning into a full on riot. So he

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Speaker 1: was acting as sort of a diplomat, an ambassador between

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Speaker 1: the authorities and between this civilian crowd. He spoke with

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Speaker 1: a Sergeant Todd Smollen, and this was shortly before seven pm,

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Speaker 1: and Smollen told Nitty, you know, look, you and these

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Speaker 1: other members of this crowd, these other civilians are quote

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Speaker 1: being used. The implication of that is still a little unclear.

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Speaker 1: And nitty negotiated with the authorities, basically saying, look, if

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Speaker 1: you do the following things, if you at least get

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Speaker 1: this he calls it a tank, but it's probably an

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Speaker 1: m rap. If you get this m rap out of here,

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Speaker 1: then we can move the protest away. We want this

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Speaker 1: to and peacefully. We don't want any more violence than

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Speaker 1: we're throwing bricks or molotov cocktails or children getting shot,

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Speaker 1: which again did happen. So he walked away saying that

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Speaker 1: he felt as organizers they were helping the general situation.

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Speaker 1: But then he says, there's an interesting quote here from

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Speaker 1: his live stream. He says, before we came out here,

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Speaker 1: there were nine kids missing. After we came out here,

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Speaker 1: four kids were returned. He later amended it and said

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Speaker 1: three kids. So that seems like, at least in his mind,

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Speaker 1: there's something deeper to the story than the two missing

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Speaker 1: Perkins children.

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Speaker 2: And you're right, the big question here, Ben is why

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Speaker 2: did two missing kids, you know, who were being reported

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Speaker 2: by the mother that the police were allegedly not looking into,

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Speaker 2: but of course according to them they were. Why did

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Speaker 2: it immediately go to these children are victims of sex

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Speaker 2: trafficking of some sort you know, it's one of those

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Speaker 2: terrible things that is a reality in a lot of

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Speaker 2: places in the world, where it's a possibility at least

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Speaker 2: where a child can be abducted and abused in that way.

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Speaker 2: But why this time, Well, it's because the city where

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Speaker 2: this took place, Milwaukee, has a very deep and very

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Speaker 2: dark problem with sex trafficking. And we'll tell you about

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Speaker 1: You're correct, Matt, Milwaukee is unfortunately not unique in this problem.

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Speaker 1: And you know Atlanta, for instance, Washington, d C. Cities

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Speaker 1: in Texas and California have their own ongoing battles with

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Speaker 1: human trafficking and then also with child trafficking for sexual purposes.

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Speaker 1: I found this local news station WTMJTV, and in January

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty, they reported on very very disturbing trend. Police

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee have responded to more than seventy calls from

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen to twenty twenty for human trafficking. And that's

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Speaker 1: not the whole city. Those seventy calls are from five hotels.

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Speaker 1: Sixty five arrests related to human trafficking occurred around this area.

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Speaker 1: On a single stretch of road, again, that's not the

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Speaker 1: entire that's one stretch of road. They did have a

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Speaker 1: dedicated human trafficking task force that addressed four areas of concern,

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Speaker 1: public awareness, service provision, education, and legislation. As far as

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Speaker 1: we could find this task force after they were created,

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Speaker 1: they made their final report in twenty twelve. A stute

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Speaker 1: conspiracy realist, you'll note that that final report in twenty

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Speaker 1: twelve occurs three years before that horrifying stat about just

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Speaker 1: how many trafficking calls are happening in just one area

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Speaker 1: of town. So it appears that there are clusters, there

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Speaker 1: are hubs, and you know, I think it's still a

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Speaker 1: stretch to accuse the authorities of being complicit in this,

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Speaker 1: but clearly their attempts to address it have at the

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Speaker 1: very least not been one hundred percent effective. Is that

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Speaker 1: a fair way to say it?

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Speaker 3: I think it absolutely is. To take it even a

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Speaker 3: little further, or maybe even backtracks slightly. You know, the

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Speaker 3: situation here with the police force being stretched then because

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Speaker 3: of events going on elsewhere in the city. Really do

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Speaker 3: feel like, you know, different enough that maybe that that

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Speaker 3: led to the delay and respect, it doesn't feel like

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Speaker 3: it was a willful delay to me, But I see

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Speaker 3: what you're saying, Matt, Like, you know, if this is

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Speaker 3: a known sex trafficking area or with that problem in general,

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Speaker 3: that maybe they would take the report more seriously without

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Speaker 3: it having to check those Amber alert boxes.

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Speaker 2: Is that? I think?

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Speaker 3: What the what the discussion is here?

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Speaker 2: Oh? As in like if the two girls who went

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Speaker 2: missing in June of this year, if the report was

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Speaker 2: that they were in that area, they would have been

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Speaker 2: it would have been taking seriously.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering. I don't know, I'm just wondering, like if

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Speaker 3: the police were being derelict because of their you know,

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Speaker 3: knowledge about sex trafficking being such a problem in the city,

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Speaker 3: and they didn't take these calls seriously enough, what would

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Speaker 3: have maybe led them to take it more seriously? I

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Speaker 3: mean that, like, how could they have done a better

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Speaker 3: job in this situation, I guess is what I'm asking.

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Speaker 2: That's tough because according to the police, they did take

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Speaker 2: it seriously and they responded immediately and began investigating, right

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Speaker 2: at least according to them.

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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, So.

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Speaker 2: We you know, we know, especially living in Atlanta, that

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Speaker 2: cities and police departments across the United States and the

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Speaker 2: world really appear at least according to the statistics and

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Speaker 2: to personal experience, to have issues with responding to missing

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Speaker 2: black people, to murdered black people, like in the same

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Speaker 2: way that they would respond to someone who's not black

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Speaker 2: who is either missing or murdered.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Atlanta child murders.

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Speaker 2: As I mean referring to that as one of the

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Speaker 2: sagas that the country and people then have gone through

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Speaker 2: where loved ones disappear and then there doesn't seem to

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Speaker 2: be much action taken. And whether that whether that lack

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Speaker 2: of action is perceived or real, it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 2: to the individual who has a missing loved one.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I think that's a good point. And

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Speaker 1: also if we journey a little bit further away from

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Speaker 1: the official narrative, we see some distressing claims. The Milwaukee

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Speaker 1: Independent has some largely unsubstantiated claims. I'm not saying they're

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Speaker 1: not true. I'm saying I couldn't find multiple sources confirming,

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Speaker 1: but they they have some unsubstantiated claims that the entire

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Speaker 1: set of stories, i should say, has yet to be released.

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Speaker 2: To the public.

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Speaker 1: And they say there is also hard evidence of trafficking

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Speaker 1: occurring at this site. Just south of Washington Park. In

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Speaker 1: a specific quote, they say some papers were recovered, including

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Speaker 1: what was allegedly since the document has not been released,

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Speaker 1: a schedule of what time the girls were solicited out,

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Speaker 1: and the name of someone who is connected to the

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Speaker 1: operation they did they did. They then name this person

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Speaker 1: who they say is they believe is the property owner

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Speaker 1: of the residents, a disaster recovery specialist who had been

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Speaker 1: again allegedly working as a spiritual leader for children at

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Speaker 1: local youth camps.

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Speaker 2: And ben just to clarify the site that we're talking

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Speaker 2: about here in reference to is this the home that

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Speaker 2: was burned or is this that area where the hotels?

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Speaker 2: Where are we actually talking about?

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's why I'm saying. That's why I said

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Speaker 1: a set of stories, because what we notice here is

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Speaker 1: that there are three stories occurring. That's what I would

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Speaker 1: categorize this as. The first story is the story of

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Speaker 1: two missing children who are thankfully found alive. The second

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Speaker 1: story is the story of a house that burned down

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Speaker 1: and was believed to be a hub of human trafficking

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Speaker 1: by some people by civilians in Milwaukee. And the third

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Speaker 1: larger story in which those two earlier stories take place.

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Speaker 1: Is the tragic tale of human trafficking in Milwaukee. Overall,

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Speaker 1: best evidence to buy that terrifying report of the trafficking

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Speaker 1: conspiracy occurring in just one part of town. Unrelated, I

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Speaker 1: would say, possibly related. It depends on how far you

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Speaker 1: think these kind of webs extend. But again, you know,

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee Independent we have to I want to emphasize

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Speaker 1: I did not find additional evidence the papers that they're

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Speaker 1: talking about. They're alleging that police investigators when they entered

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Speaker 1: the house at that twenty one hundred block. They're saying

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Speaker 1: that the investigators found papers there and just have it

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Speaker 1: released them to the public, and then the house burned down.

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Speaker 1: So according to the latest reports we could find the

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Speaker 1: police did do suspect for people of arson. That's a

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Speaker 1: big question. Probably a lot of our fellow listeners are wondering,

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Speaker 1: right who started the fire? We didn't start the One

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Speaker 1: of the four suspects in the arson has been arrested.

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Speaker 1: Police were still looking for the rest as of the

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Speaker 1: end of June. That may have changed, but again we

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Speaker 1: have a happily ever after ending here, at least partially.

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Speaker 1: You know, these two children were found, they were able

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Speaker 1: to return to their families. But there's a bizarre part

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Speaker 1: of the story. No one knows where they were for

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Speaker 1: three days. Imagine you have a fifteen year old, a

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Speaker 1: thirteen year old and just gone for three days. I

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Speaker 1: have never been in charge of a teenager, thankfully, but

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Speaker 1: I assume that's abnormal.

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Speaker 2: Anyone who does have children out there, or maybe if

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Speaker 2: you're even imagining having a child at some point in

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Speaker 2: your life, it's hard to know what you would do

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Speaker 2: to make sure that child is or to get them

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Speaker 2: back if you think they're missing. You know, I don't

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Speaker 2: don't want to put you on the spot, Nol, but

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Speaker 2: doing as the father of you know.

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Speaker 3: She's what they call a tween Matt. But yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: it's true. I mean, honestly, she does a lot of

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Speaker 3: this cosplay stuff, and you know, we allowed her to

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Speaker 3: have her own Instagram account, and we've had to be

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Speaker 3: very explicit with her because some of it is the

654
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 3: kind of stuff that weird, pervy dudes could.

655
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: Get off on.

656
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna mince words here,

657
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 3: and she understands that, and she's super careful. And it's

658
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: a private account. You have to you know, request access

659
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: and she has to know who you are, and she

660
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: knows that she if she ever got creeped on or

661
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 3: anyone was trying to be like come meet me or

662
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: something like that, she's like, she's smart, she knows what's up.

663
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 3: But yeah, you have to be pretty vigilant about that

664
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: kind of thing. But you also don't want to make

665
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: your kids living in fear of being abducted or being

666
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: exploited or something. But you have to have a healthy

667
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 3: fear of that. You know that contingent, which absolutely exists

668
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: out in the world. So it's a fine line between

669
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: living in some kind of constant state of anxiety and

670
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 3: just being being smart.

671
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: I think one of the biggest things here is just

672
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 2: imagining that if something did happen, you know, to your child,

673
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 2: and there is this house or this area somewhere near

674
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: where you live that has, at least according to other

675
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: people who live in the community with you, has been

676
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: reported or attempted to have been reported for things like this,

677
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: like abducting children. And nothing seems to be happening to

678
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 2: that house or to the people who are in that

679
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: house or in that area, right, and then your child

680
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: goes missing, and what what what do you do? You

681
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: know this, this whole story is just really it's disturbing

682
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 2: on a lot of levels. But I think the fact

683
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: that as a community there was there was an alarm

684
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: or an attempt to switch that alarm on. Right, Hey,

685
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: something is wrong here, something's going on here. We you know,

686
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 2: we can't confirm it right now, but you're the police.

687
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 2: Please check it out and make sure everything's okay. And

688
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 2: it seems to not have happened.

689
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, because again, as we established at the top of

690
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:27,919
Speaker 1: this show, these sorts of concerns or allegations, they don't

691
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere, you know what I mean. Even

692
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: if these allegations end up not being correct, they they

693
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: are not works entirely of fantasy. It reminds me of

694
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: the panic in Central America, in Quatemala specifically, where there

695
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 1: was if there's a long standing rumor it may still

696
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: be there of foreigners going into the country to abduct

697
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: children for the purpose of harvesting their organs. And it

698
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: sounds crazy there, you know, when you just hear the

699
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: sentence that plainly, just like it might sound crazy to

700
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 1: some of us hearing people in Milwaukee say the police

701
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: are aiding a child trafficking ring, but we have to remember,

702
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, in the case of Guatemala, this was happening.

703
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 1: This urban legend came about because there was a seed

704
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: of truth to the idea of child abduction and trafficking.

705
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: And so in Milwaukee there is an established problem with

706
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: human trafficking. People are not making all of this up

707
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: for funsies or something, and it's incredibly disrespectful. I would

708
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: say it's unclean to dismiss those claims out of hand

709
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: without giving them due diligence. I know, alarmism sells and stuff,

710
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: but if we're talking about people's lives, we always have

711
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: to take it seriously. And this is where we get

712
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: to social media, the gift in the curse right, social

713
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: media tells a story that is far different from the

714
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 1: official narrative of the Milwaukee PD in several key ways.

715
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: And again this all has to be qualified as speculation.

716
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: They're not we There have been no papers found or

717
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: publicly acknowledge that shows something as explicit as like a

718
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: schedule of solicitation and trafficking. And if you think about it,

719
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: that kind of be a weird thing to write down

720
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: unless you wanted blackmail or extortion abilities later. But I

721
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: doubt this was Russian compromont or something like that. The

722
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,720
Speaker 1: social media stuff, you know, it has the same reports.

723
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: You can see it on Twitter and can see it

724
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: on Facebook. You'll see people claiming that neighbors in the

725
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: area have been trying to report this house multiple times,

726
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: they got no results for maybe months or years before

727
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: this event. And then it gets to the question of

728
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: the fire, the fire actually happened, why did it happen.

729
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: You'll find people on social media saying that the fire

730
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: was purposely set ablaze to hide evidence, not by an

731
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: angry quote unquote mob, but maybe by someone working with

732
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: the police, working with this trafficking ring. I don't know,

733
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: what do you guys.

734
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 3: Think certainly would be counterproductive of the mob to set

735
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: the house on fire, if in fact it was the

736
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: site of these abuses. It would be very shortsighted at

737
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: the very least of them to give in to that

738
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 3: kind of anger and just go all out in that direction,

739
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 3: if they really were concerned with justice and finding out

740
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 3: the truth. Cause if you burn that house down, you

741
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: basically obliterate all possible evidence and the ability to actually

742
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 3: bring anyone potentially involved in these crimes to justice.

743
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Right for sure, you know, I was just talking. We

744
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 2: were talking off Mike a little bit. But there are

745
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: photographs you can see on Twitter. That's how we saw them.

746
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: They're photographs of the van or a van in the

747
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: back of the house that was burned as much as

748
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 2: the house itself was. I do not know. I cannot confirm.

749
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: Maybe you guys can. I cannot if that van is

750
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: the one that we've talked about a few times throughout

751
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 2: this story. It seems like it may have been, but

752
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: I you know, I can't give you a hundred percent

753
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: proof yes, that's the one, But it was burned, and

754
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: allegedly there was a bed in that van, and it

755
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: looks like there may have been one even in the

756
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: charred remains of it. And there was also allegedly a

757
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: pair of bloody shorts. I think that was located there,

758
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: at least according to some people. If you you know,

759
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 2: if you burn it, then how you get it? How

760
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: do you get DNA evidence from that? The other thing

761
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: I would point out here is that just when you're

762
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: thinking about motivation of why the house would burned outside

763
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 2: of it being purposefully done to hide evidence, and this

764
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: is me kind of putting myself in the shoes of

765
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 2: somebody else here. But if you imagine that, you know

766
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: that this house for sure in your mind is a

767
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: hub of sex trafficking, and the police don't seem to

768
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: be doing anything about it. What can I do? Well,

769
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to burn that thing to the ground, right

770
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 2: that I can imagine that that's the mindset at least

771
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: that went into attempting to set the house on fire.

772
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is possibly an example of what people do

773
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: when we feel powerless, when we want to confront something

774
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: that we otherwise feel incapable of confronting. One thing that

775
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: is important to note here is that the residents, Chad

776
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: and Believe, four adults and two children on the books

777
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: is living there. That residence is gone. The people who

778
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: live there have no place to go, including Jalisa Hall, who,

779
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: as we said, was giving birth while her house was burning.

780
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: I've found a go fund me page that was created

781
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: by her sister in law to raise money for the

782
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: family so that they would have a place to sleep,

783
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: they would be able to replace some of the many

784
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: possessions that burned down in the fire. I just want

785
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: to I'm saying this because I want to establish that

786
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: there are people who are living there, their lives go on,

787
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And if you look at

788
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: this GoFundMe or that story, of course, it's not like

789
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: the New York Times or pro Publica in terms of

790
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,879
Speaker 1: reporting or something, but it does it doesn't show any

791
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: mention of crime or human trafficking.

792
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 2: It shows that.

793
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Their house burned down and she lost everything, you know

794
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. And if you look at the comments,

795
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: then you don't see anybody saying that this is some

796
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: kind of you know, money grab on behalf of a

797
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: train athicking ring. I think it's interesting because it's another

798
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: conflicting narrative here.

799
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: Ben, Thank you for pointing this out. One thing I

800
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 2: noticed on the post here, under the description right of

801
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: this GoFundMe that we're discussing here, it says she was

802
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: living upstairs with others, right, and there were others living downstairs,

803
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: and it says quote she nor anyone upstairs had anything

804
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: to do with what was happening downstairs, and were in

805
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: contact with the proper people during everything and did everything

806
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: they asked unquote. Interesting, right, It does feel as though

807
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just speaking to what's being

808
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: said on social media or the allegations about what's going on,

809
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 2: or maybe they have in this person or this family,

810
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 2: or maybe they do have information that we just don't know, and.

811
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: Maybe they're being unfairly targeted by the court of public opinion,

812
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: which has no such thing as due process right and

813
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: has no such thing as innocent until proven guilty. So

814
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: the allegation here, again unsubstantiated, is that the police were

815
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: actively protecting traffickers, that's the worst case scenario, and possibly

816
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: taking a cut of the profits in return. Police corruption

817
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: is a real thing, but police corruption tends to occur

818
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 1: at an individual or small group level. Often it's like

819
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: factions of things, you know. That's it's one person going

820
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: outside the law, and then maybe other people complicit by

821
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: not reporting that person right or supporting them in their

822
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: criminal endeavor. The idea that an entire department would be

823
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: active is.

824
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 2: Less likely.

825
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I mean, what do you think

826
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: is this an actual active cover upper conspiracy on the

827
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 1: part of police departartment. We found allegations and rumors about this.

828
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: We found solid proof of Milwaukee's trafficking problem, that's its

829
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: old web of conspiracies, but we didn't find hard evidence

830
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: of police participation in trafficking. We found a lot of

831
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: evidence that people in Milwaukee feel police are not.

832
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 3: Doing all they can or.

833
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: Should with reports of missing children. But here also, you know,

834
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 1: we have to ask where did this trafficking concern come from?

835
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: Is this something that grew in the sustrius of uncertainty

836
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: during you know, a crowds protests as it began moving

837
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: as a unit. It's a known problem in Milwaukee.

838
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: I just I don't know, it's tough to know any

839
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 2: of that stuff. But Ben, I'm going back really quickly

840
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 2: to what you were talking about with individual police officers

841
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: and corruption and you know, small groups of people working

842
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: together in a corrupt way. When dealing with any kind

843
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: of authority group like that, I would just say, when

844
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:08,720
Speaker 2: there is a powerful person involved that is more powerful

845
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: than a police officer or a lieutenant or a chief

846
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 2: even involved in any kind of activity, I think that's

847
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: when corruption really comes into play. And I'm speaking completely

848
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: on generalities here, but we've seen in the past on

849
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 2: a couple episodes where when somebody very very powerful we're

850
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: talking politicians, maybe even a religious leader or somebody who

851
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: holds sway over a lot of other people is involved

852
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 2: in doing something illegal or nefarious or downright monstrous, as

853
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: in human sex trafficking with children, the necessary amount of

854
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: cooperation with a police force on a wide scale, I

855
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: think rises I.

856
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: As see what you're saying. Yeah, yeah, And you know,

857
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: it's it's true that in the past, the allegations of

858
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: this sort have been proven, you know what I mean.

859
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: If this were true, it would not be the unfortunately,

860
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: not be the first case. It's just and this is

861
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: entirely my own perspective. I did not find. I did

862
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: not find stuff that I thought was hard evidence of trafficking.

863
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: And maybe that's because there's more to the story that

864
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: hasn't been put out there, you know, in which point

865
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: at which point I would I would propose that we

866
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: passed the torch to our fellow conspiracy realist. I mean,

867
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: what do you think do you think this is panic?

868
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: I'm part of a crowd, however well intentioned. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that there is more to the story? Where are

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Speaker 1: why are there discrepancies between the official accounts and the

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Speaker 1: accounts that we see from civilians or from people reacting

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Speaker 1: to this online. We want to know, And if you're

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Speaker 1: from Milwaukee, tell us, tell us what you can about

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Speaker 1: what appears to be an ongoing struggle with human trafficking.

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Speaker 1: And again not to pick on Milwaukee, this is very

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Speaker 1: this is unfortunately a common problem in a lot of cities,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of US cities, I mean pre pandemic.

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Speaker 1: We can't forget Atlanta, Georgia had the world's busiest airport.

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Speaker 1: It was a trafficking hub, so we're aware of that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean, I don't know, this does seem

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Speaker 3: police and miscommunication and the big problem with these live

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Speaker 3: like on the one hand, yeah, it's great they can

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