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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Sunday, November the thirtieth, and

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Speaker 1: the mystery or the death of a teenage girl aboard

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Speaker 1: a carnival cruise ship continues. It's a mystery to all

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Speaker 1: of us, but to some of her family members we've

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Speaker 1: been hearing from, there's no mystery to them at all.

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 1: The family of Anna Kapner all on this cruise together.

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Speaker 1: This story has been making national international headlines. They try

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Speaker 1: to stop a little short of just flat out saying

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Speaker 1: her step brother killed her, but they kind of go

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Speaker 1: that far anyway they do.

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Speaker 2: We've now heard from Anna Kepner's dad, her aunt, and

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Speaker 2: her grandparents, and without directly saying it, they're saying it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're saying it as clearly as they can

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Speaker 2: without legally getting into any kind of trouble.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, really fair to say they are stopping short. The

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Speaker 1: only thing they haven't said is I think he killed her, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but short of that, they kind of are

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Speaker 1: saying that in a different ways.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the grandparents said specifically that detectives told them that

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Speaker 2: they looked at the surveillance video and when their granddaughter

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Speaker 2: went to bed not feeling so well earlier that evening.

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Speaker 2: The only person to come in and out of the

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Speaker 2: room she was in was the stepbrother. So that's fairly

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Speaker 2: damning right there. The grandparents also talked about his demeanor.

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Speaker 2: They said that he was beyond upset, that he actually

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Speaker 2: required attention. He was so beside himself when they found

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Speaker 2: Anna Kepner's body, and they said, he doesn't remember what happened.

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Speaker 2: He was an emotional mess. So there's that. And then

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Speaker 2: perhaps the most damning of all, her father, her own

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Speaker 2: father telling authorities that he does not stand behind what

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Speaker 2: my step son has done. I want him to face

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Speaker 2: does happen. That is fairly specific and direct.

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Speaker 1: And to go back here, folks, we're talking about Anna Kapner.

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Speaker 1: You've seen her face, you have seen you've heard that

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Speaker 1: name quite a bit on this family vacation, this carnival

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Speaker 1: they have confirmed at least she was she did die.

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Speaker 1: It appears she was asphyxiated, right, Yes, he did tell

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Speaker 1: her death. But they did not name a suspect, and

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Speaker 1: they still have not. That isn't very important to say

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Speaker 1: of another case that had nothing to do with this one.

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Speaker 1: In another case, her step mother is having a custody

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Speaker 1: issue in court, and she filed papers saying that we

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Speaker 1: need to delay this because one of my kids, my son,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's puzzling because you also hear these

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Speaker 2: just like brother and sister. Look, anyone who has and

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Speaker 2: no sign of any concern. They were close. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I can't get it right. I'm trying to work it out. Grandparents,

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Speaker 1: her mom, her stepmom, and then what was the sibling breakdown?

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Speaker 1: How many of our step siblings of Kanna Kapner and

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Speaker 2: What I understand, and there were three three siblings on

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Speaker 2: an annual tradition. The grandparents watching them speak about their family,

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Speaker 2: And this is where she even went a step further

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Speaker 1: Well, like in the ducks in a row, I would

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Speaker 1: We have to hold off, obviously, have to wait and

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Speaker 1: I think we don't go too far. Somebody clearly panicked

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Speaker 2: Oeen year old kid.

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Speaker 1: Somebody got scared somebody else in that moment, and I'll

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Speaker 2: What it suggests, Yes, exactly that some And look, you

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Speaker 2: not some random act of violence. That usually suggests that

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Speaker 2: are a million different scenarios. This could have been an

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Speaker 2: were rough housing. Anyone who has teenage kids, I have

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Speaker 2: seen rough housing. I'm saying, you know, parents, be careful.

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Speaker 2: Somebody could get hurt. That absolutely could have been the case,

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Speaker 2: does look even Anna's grandmother describes him as a good student,

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Speaker 2: as a quiet kid. They had a good relationship. There

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Speaker 2: was never any fear about letting them all stay in

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, all of this happened again. The young lady died.

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Speaker 1: She was found dead on November seventh. These investigators believe

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Speaker 1: that's the day that she did die, November seventh, and

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Speaker 1: of course that was just weeks ahead of Thanksgiving that

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Speaker 1: We'll tell you what the family says they did for Thanksgiving,

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Speaker 1: what that looked like for them with one very important

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Speaker 1: and tj. Anna Keepner, eighteen year old young lady from Florida,

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Speaker 1: died found dead November seventh on a Carnival cruise ship

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Speaker 1: and appears at least from her members of her family

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Speaker 1: I mentioned from a court action. Anna Keepner had a

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Speaker 1: Well that step mom it is still involved in a

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Speaker 1: a murder investigation. Is what that line said, and that

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Speaker 2: Yes, and despite you know, we heard from Anna Kepner's

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Speaker 2: when he was directly asked do you believe your steps

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Speaker 2: I cannot say that he is responsible, but I can't

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Speaker 2: decline he was the only one that was in the room.

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Speaker 2: And the FBI has an ongoing investigation in which they

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Speaker 2: some time. They've celebrated, they've celebrated holidays together, they have

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Speaker 1: Around the holidays, everybody Thanksgiving every holiday, so many families

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Speaker 1: don't know how she died? Wow, what is Thanksgiving like?

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Speaker 1: And the police are telling you, and in your heart

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Speaker 1: Now I didn't see Robes. I saw the comments, and

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Speaker 1: I believe it. I can't remember where he gave the

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Speaker 2: We don't know, So here is what he says. Because

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Speaker 2: Thanksgiving with their own tradition. He said, we've always done

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Speaker 2: will spend this time close and together. He didn't specifically

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Speaker 2: But we don't know who was in that family dinner.

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Speaker 2: But he said they're not going to do the traditional turkey,

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Speaker 2: family was planning on steak on the grill instead of turkey.

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Speaker 2: He said, they're not really doing Thanksgiving Thanksgiving. He said

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Speaker 2: they're still going to celebrate, and they still said. Anna

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Speaker 2: loved cornbread casserole and they were gonna have that because

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Speaker 2: that's what she always asks for every year. But my god,

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Speaker 2: I just where's the kid?

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Speaker 1: Where's the steps soun? I really wonder And we talk

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Speaker 1: being possibly looked at. Maybe they look at him differently,

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Speaker 1: they know him, they had to have had discussions with him,

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Speaker 2: He could be with his dad for this Thanksgiving, you know.

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Speaker 2: And I was even just thinking to doing with this kid.

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Speaker 2: What that does to your relationship with your wife. This

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Speaker 2: like they had a great relationship. They were all going

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Speaker 1: Your kid killed mine. Yes, in a relationship, that's a

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Speaker 1: lot couples can overcome. And again we don't know the details.

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Speaker 1: There might be some type of reason that is acceptable

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Speaker 2: Just gotten a little too rough, didn't know his own strength.

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Speaker 1: Breaked out. We just don't know, So we have to

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Speaker 1: wait and for whatever reason, Yes, this young lady is dead.

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering. But my god, it's an awful tragedy around

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Speaker 1: the holidays that's tearing this family apart.

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Speaker 2: Because accidents do happen, and kids do panic. There are

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Speaker 2: a lot of potentially different reasons why what happened happened,

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Speaker 2: and we'll have to wait for the authorities to tell us.

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Speaker 2: But this family certainly is hoping for answers sooner rather

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Speaker 2: than later, and we certainly hope they get them. I'm

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Speaker 2: with that. Everyone. Thank you so much for listening to us.

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Speaker 2: I'm Amy Robot alongside TJ. Holmes. We hope you're enjoying

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Speaker 2: your Sunday and we'll talk to you sooner.