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On 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.080 this episode, I have with me at the global headquarters 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.920 Ford van Fausen of First Light forwards the conservation director 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.400 of First Light, and also with him is Jordan Riley 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:18.520 of Captured Creative. These guys were in Arkansas for about 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.799 a week and in this conversation we talked a little 0:02:21.800 --> 0:02:24.280 bit about what we were doing. We tell some couple 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:29.040 of epic squirrel stories that aren't your classic dedicated squirrel 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.680 hunt type stories, but we hear most importantly about what 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.000 these guys do. So Ford van Fausen has has been 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.120 with First Light for several years, but he took Ryan 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:41.440 Callahan's spot who was the former conservation director of First Light. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:44.720 Ryan's now with Meat Eater, so Ford took his spot, 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:51.600 and Jordan's is a is a videographer photographer is part 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.160 owner of this media company, Captured Creative Man. They have 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.880 some great insight into their both of their fields and 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:02.000 it's just a fun pie cast and you're gonna enjoy it. 0:03:02.400 --> 0:03:05.600 I want to make mention of something that I'm doing 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:10.239 with with several other groups and podcasts, but we're doing 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:15.200 a hashtag called trash trophies. Okay, hashtag trash trophies. And 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.119 what we're trying to get people to do is when 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:20.960 they're out on public land, take a Walmart bag or 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:23.760 some type of little grocery bag with you and pick 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.040 up the trash that you see. We think is hunters 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.959 one of the pretty pretty functional impact that we could 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:33.480 have on public lands. It's just picking up trash. I 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.600 know in places that I hunt, trash is a problem. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.160 And parking areas, along trails and different places we're gonna 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:44.520 see trash. And so take a picture of your trash 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:51.880 trophy and hashtag it on Instagram hashtag trash trophies. Additionally, 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.480 I want to direct you guys to the bare dash 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.240 hunting dot com store. 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And I'll go ahead and 0:04:53.080 --> 0:04:56.599 tell the other name before we get into these two guys. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:59.240 The other the other gentleman sit in front me, is 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:05.320 Jordan's right captured creative. For everybody who who would follow 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.039 much of what I do, would would know first Light 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.920 from well, from maybe many different sources. But Ford, why 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:15.280 don't you, uh, why don't you tell us, I don't know, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.560 give us an introduction to tell us you are to 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.279 tell us what you do for First Light. I'm Ford N. Fawston. 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:28.200 I am First Lates Conservation and Content Manager. Okay, yeah, okay, 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:33.440 new title out thinking it's always so Ryan Callahan went 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:36.719 to meet Eater. Ryan Callahan was the former conservation director 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:41.000 first he was. He was, so I've assumed some of 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:45.680 his conservation are You're gonna grow a mustache? No, no, 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.320 because I'm still Actually I'm hoping here in the next 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.960 couple of years of Pubert he's gonna come through for me. 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:56.120 But until then not, yeah, loustache less, not yet. Okay, Well, 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.280 we're gonna get into more detail, and what we're gonna 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:01.320 talk about is we're gonna I want to hear something 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:05.240 about really what you do forward and uh for First 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:07.760 Light and talk a little bit about that. But quickly 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:13.240 I'll introduce Jordan's Riley have Captured Creative. So Jordan's introduce yourself. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.520 Oh you didn't tell us where you're from. Ford, I 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:21.560 am from Trapped, Maryland. I live in Catchum, Idaho at 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:28.960 first Lights Global International World. Yeah. Yeah, okay, so Jordan's yeah, 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.320 tell us who you are? Yeah, well, Jordan Riley, I 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:36.800 am one of the owners of Captured creative Taylor Coleman 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:40.960 is back in Minnesota right now. But yeah, Minnesota based 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.679 UM Production Media production company. We shoot photos and video 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:47.280 for a bunch of cool brands and get to hang 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.200 out with a lot of cool people along the way. Yeah. 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:54.720 So these guys are here in Arkansas there, they've been 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.600 here for four days and we've been doing some I've 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:02.120 been doing some hunting down here. We uh we squirrel 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:07.920 hunted with mules on Wednesday with Trey Autry, Michael and Ere. 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.960 And then on on Thursday we did a little bit 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.160 of deer hunting, is that right? And we also went 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:19.240 raccoon hunting. And today we did a little scenic tour 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:22.160 of the Ozarks, got out in some of the rough 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.760 country of the Ozarks and I saw some pretty cool country. 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:30.800 And uh So it's been a absolute blast having you 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.080 guys down here. It's been fun. A lot of first 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.560 these last couple of days. What okay, what what would 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:37.960 have your first? What would your first have been? Now? 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.760 Ford is from the shallow South in Maryland, as we 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:44.880 have defined, which which is a total shock to me. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.120 I did not realize it. But it's very true what 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.160 he says. And Ford feels like a Southerner to me. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.600 Sometimes he sounds like a Southerner too. Yeah, he doesn't 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.440 really know what his accent is. Yeah, he kind of 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:01.320 goes all over the all over the board. But no, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.960 So what were your first Jordan's I think just about 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.840 every day there or something. First. I've never been on 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:11.880 a dedicated squirrel hunt before hunt a dedicated squirrel hund 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.280 as opposed to squirrel hunt. Had with Mr Ben Fosson 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.920 earlier and this year he missed a squirrel and dropped 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:23.760 his I shouldn't say, I shouldn't go this far? Should 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:28.360 we go there? How did this come up again? The same? 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:33.160 This came up quick too. Yeah, years would have been 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:40.040 an incidental squirrel hunt. Certainly that ended in a bizarre way, Yes, certainly. Yeah, 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:42.600 so just quickly go ahead and tell us what happened. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.839 The long and the short of it was, we were 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.040 hunting the rut in Wisconsin, the squirrel rut or the 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:55.360 dear rut. That's a good question. We were here the 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.400 white tail deer. Okay, the white tail deer rut. It 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:03.400 was what I'm told is the absolute peak of the 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:07.600 Y T L deer rut in in Wisconsin. It was, 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.480 in fact, what we were there to do was not 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:14.320 at the rut, however. Uh At around ten thirty a 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.559 fox squirrel, which I have personal interest in as a 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.360 species for reasons we don't have to go into, appeared 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:26.040 at ten yards very close. I had to crater arrows. 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.360 I chose to remove a broad headed arrow and knock 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.200 at critter. Arrow I shot at the squirrel, did not 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.360 kill the squirrel, took about an inch of hair off 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.880 the squirrel's back, and figured I would go get my 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.720 arrow because it was ten thirty. I've been sitting a 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.199 tree for a while and I was gonna just pop 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:49.600 down to where the arrow was sitting in the dirt, 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:53.200 only ten yards from the tree. I grabbed my arrow 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.000 ah with my bow still hanging on the tree, arm 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.600 back in the tree, proceeded to climb. I'm the tree 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.560 and felt something kind of on my back as I 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.559 was getting seated back in the stand and turned to 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.000 watch my bow drop out of the tree into the 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:14.120 mud below. Or what have you? Messed up the boat 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.760 pretty good? Bent up the boat pretty good. Jordan was 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.679 filming this whole thing and at this point just laughing 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:25.200 mercilessly at me. So this would be an incidental squirrel hunt. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.280 That was the point we were driving home. That was 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.680 the definition of a of an incidental So what you 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:34.120 guys did this week was a was a purposeful squirrel 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.400 dedicated as you said, Geordie. Now if you've you've done 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:42.280 dedicated squrawn and not anything like that one though, I mean, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.240 well you're about to lead into mules and dogs and 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.760 all kinds of extra accouterments, which made it all the 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:55.840 more fun. Definitely. Yeah. Well, and I think the original 0:10:55.920 --> 0:11:00.120 question was the first that that we had that you 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:05.240 had as somebody from Minnesota. So squirrel hunt, dedicated squirrel hunt. Yeah, 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:10.240 there's a blast. It's just something I think. I don't know. 0:11:10.720 --> 0:11:14.480 Sometimes people that hunt can kind of get like singular 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.280 minded on one species, and for me growing up, that 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.440 was white tails. So the words were quote unquote for 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.640 white tails. Yeah, you didn't really want to do anything 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:25.880 to that precious little chunk of land that you had. 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.160 But man, after after going on that squawl hunt, I 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:31.679 kind of kind of kicking myself. I've been missing out 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.000 for a little bit, I think because I was when 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.959 you said that earlier this week. I've never really thought 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:40.120 of it that way. You know that I mean, perhaps 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:44.400 people wouldn't want to, you lose their hunting ground for 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.920 anything other than white And certainly I know there's properties 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:49.880 like that that are managed in that way, no doubt, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:54.160 but that that would like block out like an entire 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.480 hunting culture of a region from like really being into 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:00.800 small game hunting because they're so dedicated to deer hunting 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:05.400 and all the all the studies, well, there are particular, 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:11.840 like scientific based research based studies that show that raccoon 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:17.000 hunting at night does not affect daytime deer activity because 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:19.480 like on these big some of these big leases where 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:23.120 there's multiple types of people using the same piece of property. 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:25.920 I think there's been a lot of historical controversy that 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.800 like coon hunters would come in run their dogs at 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.240 night during deer season, and all the deer hunters would 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.880 blame them for not killing deer the next day, and 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:36.360 so somebody settled that. I don't know who it was, 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:41.199 but I've heard that research project touted many many times. 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:47.280 Perhaps it's biased, but you know, you gotta sasources on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.240 if you google it, if you google it, it's yeah, 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.800 it may have been fake news, but um I have 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.959 so they said, they said that it didn't affect daytime 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:04.520 deer movement, nveniently, says the raccoon Hunter. And this project 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:11.880 was funded by the Raccoon Mountain Raccoon Foundation. But so 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.800 that is neither here nor there. So, but the squirrel, 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:18.400 the dedicated squirrel hunt was the first, and we also 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:23.559 went on a dedicated raccoon not right, Yeah, the first 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.160 time there too. That's fine, I guess I honestly, I 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:30.280 really just didn't know what to expect going into that one, 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:34.040 and it was I mean, there's a social aspect there 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:36.720 that I think the closest thing I can relate it 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.320 to is maybe like a pheasant hunt back home, you know, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.360 where you can talk. Only even in a pheasant hunt, 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:44.160 you're always kind of on edge because a bird could 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:45.920 jump up and you have to shoot it right over 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:47.960 With this, yeah, I mean, you let those dogs go 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.920 and we just sat cut the lights and talked. It's 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.600 more like a relaxing type of a you know. That's 0:13:56.760 --> 0:14:01.120 that's the whole essence really of a of a coon hunt, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.679 especially and for me is that it's, uh, it is 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.840 highly social. I think what part of what I'm doing 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:11.280 inside of my hunting, especially with my kids is I'm 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:15.439 looking for a platform to build relationship, you know, I mean, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.640 that's really the essence of it. But what makes a 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:20.560 coon hunt different than anything else as you do it 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:24.400 in the dark in the daytime. It's even if if 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:25.840 if there was a group of us standing out in 0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:27.840 the middle of that field during the daytime or standing 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:31.880 by a creek, my kids would have been like off 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.720 doing something. But like the darkness like forces you to 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.280 huddle together and you're just sitting there with your lights off, 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:43.680 listening for the dogs talking. That's I think that's the 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:47.920 for me. It's such a contrast to the solo, big 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:53.160 game hunting that which we all love, well, we all 0:14:53.320 --> 0:14:56.520 we all do love that, but it's uh, but it's 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:00.600 but it's different. Yeah, it was. It's definitely a from field. 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.360 You know. The only thing though that I thought it 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.000 was at all similar to was frog gigging. Yeah, that 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.600 was the only yea in terms of waiting for you know, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.920 waiting for the sun to go down and then wandering 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:15.560 around in the dark explicitly totally I mean, still obviously 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.840 totally different, its being different animals, but yeah, yeah, but 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.680 that night element was a little familiar that way. Yeah, yeah, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.440 it is. So the conut was a lot of fun 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.920 and we uh, we didn't have a real long hunt. 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:32.760 We just went out for a couple of hours, but 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.200 we did. We did get a coon. A lot of fun. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.440 Treat two canes right or one one hole? Well we yeah, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.400 we put one in the rocks. Yeah, put one in 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.040 the rocks and then and then tread one. So it 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:52.640 was a lot of fun. Um, So that's what that's 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.680 what we did this week. I want to talk about 0:15:55.760 --> 0:16:01.000 you guys though, and uh, perhaps who do we need 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:03.280 to talk to first? I think maybe we'll talk to 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:07.640 Jordan's first, just because we were filming, we were or 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:12.000 he Captured Creative. If you guys haven't heard of Captured Creative, 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:15.680 go on Instagram search it out. Uh, you guys are 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.120 on Facebook two yeah, and then you can also just 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:24.360 check out Jordan Riley's Facebook, Taylor Coleman's Facebook in Instagram. 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.120 And these guys do a ton of work for First Light. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.120 They do a lot of a lot of the photography, 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:36.360 a lot of the product based photography. And you gotta 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:42.080 you ought to tell Ford how you guys hired these guys. Yeah, 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:46.520 so Jordan and Taylor were some of our first quote 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:52.040 unquote pro staffers. And these are young guys Jordan's so 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.720 he was just a pup. He was just a pup. 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:58.280 And this was four years ago. Eything in mind that 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:01.920 Ford is only one year older than I am. Ords 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:08.199 a young I'm two years older. I'll have you know older. Um. So, anyhow, 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:12.760 we were two thousand fourteen. I was putting together first 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:18.160 light sort of first quote unquote pro staff and there's 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.320 some guys and I'm assuming that you sent some pictures 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.960 that were good and like, yeah, yeah, these guys should 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.400 be part of the part of the pro staff for sure. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.359 And called Jordan to sort of interview him. And it 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.439 was the day before your wedding. Yeah, I was walking 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.639 through the doors of the church to my wedding rehearsal, 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:38.880 a bunch of people staring at me while I took 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:45.560 some random call from catchum Idaho yep, yep. So anyhow, 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.840 oh yeah, yeah, going to interview and make sure he 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:53.920 wasn't crazy. So anyhow, Jordan and Taylor at some point 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:58.199 soon after sent us a little hype reel then, Is 0:17:58.240 --> 0:18:00.679 that how you describe it? We just went out and 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:05.280 filmed like a Minnesota hype real sixty or less real 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:08.120 of just I think we had some drone footage, some 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:11.800 some other camera type of work in there. Yeah, sent 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:16.160 it to him and heard back pretty shortly after. I think. Yeah, 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:21.560 my my boss, uh Ross Conforman saw that, and at 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:24.000 least in my head, the story goes that he said, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.919 some of the long lines, they're gonna make product videos 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.359 for us. So we called them up and I don't know, 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:36.200 maybe six months later you were filming uh, product product 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.520 videos for the release of I think what was then 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:47.119 the ten line. Yep, that's a classic story that everybody 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:52.520 that's into content creation and media would hope would happen 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:56.479 because they would send their sizzle reel to a major 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.919 national company and that company would hire them to do 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.000 work for them. I believe, my friend, you have hit 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:07.600 the jackpot. I agree with that. Well, but what they 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:10.399 saw inside of you guys, what they saw inside of 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:15.760 your work was a level of excellence that is just notable, 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:18.679 you know, and I think any anybody that sees your 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:23.600 stuff is going to recognize that, and uh and that's valuable. Yeah, well, 0:19:23.760 --> 0:19:25.760 thank you. I mean, we're definitely not the only ones 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:28.480 doing it like that. I mean, we try to we 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.160 try to kind of make our own thing and make 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.920 it uniquely us and just kind of keep our heads 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.080 down and work hard, and it's it's it's paid off 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.760 up to this point. We hope we can hope we 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.159 can keep things up and kind of keep pushing it, 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:46.800 pushing a little bit farther. Yeah, well maybe one day 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.600 they'll actually pay you. I know you've been doing it 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.840 for three this whole time. So right, that's how the 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:55.919 pro staff works, right yet, know we kint them like 0:19:55.920 --> 0:20:03.240 a ten percent deal on gear. Uh yeah, So so 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.000 Capture Creative. So I want to talk about the film 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.760 in City Limits because both of you guys worked on that. 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:13.600 So First Light last Fall was it October that that 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:19.680 was released October? Okay, so First Lights doing they they 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.880 do product videos, Like if you go to the first 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.320 Like YouTube channel, you would see product videos. But you 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.880 would also see in the last two years, um, two 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.399 sets of videos. One about tag a guy there that 0:20:33.400 --> 0:20:35.240 works at the First Light office who was not a 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:41.000 hunter but drew this unbelievable sheep tag in Alaska, and 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.359 so there's a series of videos on that. But you 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.080 would also see a film called n City Limits that 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:50.800 now was Taylor working with you on that or was 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.159 it just you and Ford? Taylor Coleman was He was 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:57.040 one of the photographers with on that one too. Okay, 0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:01.320 so you and Taylor and Ford. We're with Taylor Chamberlain 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.840 in Washington, d C. Near Washington, d C. So tell 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.800 me about the film. So Taylor was another original pro. 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:11.960 He was another O G pro staffer. I think he 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:16.280 was part of the first round of pro staffs. And 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:22.919 he is a feller that hunts O G O G proces. 0:21:23.160 --> 0:21:25.000 He was one of the first pro staff Does that 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:30.080 mean original gangster? Uh? Some might, some mighty didn't. Some 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:34.480 might say it does. Yeah. Um, he was one of 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:38.840 our first pro stafvers I think um. And he caught 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:43.040 my eye immediately because he said something along the lines of, I, 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.760 you know, I hunt a hundred and fifty days a 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.440 year in the suburbs of Washington, d C. I'll kill 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.080 between forty and a hundred deer a year, and I 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:54.280 hunt out a swing set sometimes. You know. It was 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:57.879 something that brief. And so he wrote a couple of 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:04.320 blog posts for us through the years, and eventually, as 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.639 first I sort of moved into those you know, what 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:12.040 we call full content pieces or full puller length, really 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:16.600 content pieces. Uh. Taylor was sort of the first story 0:22:16.640 --> 0:22:18.720 that came to mind for me just because it was 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:23.600 such or it felt like such a unique story. Uh, 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:27.280 this guy who was was really doing more than his 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:30.920 part to manage the suburban deer heard there in northern 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.919 Virginia and uh, and also just couldn't get enough of 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.840 doing so he just loves it. So had you met 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:40.000 him before only on the phone? I have only ever 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:42.639 you'd only talked to him on the phone when you went, Ye, 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.520 when we flew over there, I think I got there 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:50.199 a day before Taylor and Jordan's um And yeah, we 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.040 had only talked on the on the phone. We met 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.640 at Reagan Airport. Yeah. So how long were you guys 0:22:55.680 --> 0:22:57.800 there when you were shooting that film? I think we 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:02.440 filmed four six or seven days how and so you 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:04.600 were you were hunting in the tree with him, Yeah, 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.919 we were filming deer hunts. Yeah, we had both Taylor 0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.560 Coleman and I were. You know, one of us would 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:13.800 be kind of in the tree with Taylor Chamberlain and 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.280 the other one would be back off some ways to 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.080 get a little bit better, because I mean we were 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.639 hunting and sometimes as small as half acre pieces of 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:25.040 property right on the edge of lawns basically, so just 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.600 to kind of really set the scene of yeah, there's 0:23:27.720 --> 0:23:30.600 houses right there, and we're running here to kind of 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:32.480 get that. And he's one of those tree saddle hit 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:36.200 piece he is, and he's he's converting us one by one. 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.760 I know, I'm already converted. Now. They are awesome. They 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:45.080 are awesome. Um here's my question. How does he so 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:47.080 what's the how can he kill a hundred deer a 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:52.399 year legally? Yeah? So very liberal seasons to start, you know, 0:23:52.480 --> 0:23:56.200 in just Virginia's rags in the northern I think it's 0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.840 five counties, one of which Oblie obviously he's in. I 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.680 don't even remember the details. I think they're regular boat seasons. 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:09.119 Probably early September too, I think it was later than 0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:13.520 I or even respected maybe April April March, yeah, for real, 0:24:14.240 --> 0:24:19.720 and that's their regular season. And then they get um, 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.320 I don't remember the terminology. It's a it's a form 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:27.159 of depredation tag essentially, it's it's essentially a suburban depredation tag, 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:32.639 an azalea bandit, you know, predation tag or depredation tag. 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:36.359 And uh so Anyhow, the net some of that as 0:24:36.400 --> 0:24:40.200 they can kill Antler List dear from I think whatever 0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.600 it is April until September again, um, And so there's 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.800 essentially no limit on the Yeller List Dear Um. I 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.760 don't remember whether the summer kill permits cover Antler Dear 0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:55.760 or not. Um. But then during the regular Dear season itself, 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.720 I believe they actually do just have three buck tags 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:03.760 killing bucks up there. Yeah, He's definitely had his fair share. 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.960 I mean, he he's on some big ones in there 0:25:07.040 --> 0:25:10.560