1
00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,440
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to

2
00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,520
Speaker 1: you by go Wild. Go Wild is the fastest growing

3
00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,559
Speaker 1: social media app for outdoor enthusiasts. If you love to hunt,

4
00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,600
Speaker 1: if you love to fish, if you left to hike,

5
00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,320
Speaker 1: if you love to camp, if you like to be outdoors,

6
00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,560
Speaker 1: then you need to download the go Wild app. It's

7
00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:25,120
Speaker 1: a perfect place for you to join a community of people,

8
00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,400
Speaker 1: a like minded people who enjoy the same things that

9
00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,080
Speaker 1: you do. You won't be persecuted for posting a trophy pick.

10
00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,480
Speaker 1: You won't be persecuted for, you know, posting meat or

11
00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,160
Speaker 1: whatever like they do on You'll get some haters every

12
00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:42,279
Speaker 1: once in a while on Instagram and uh Facebook, but

13
00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,199
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good place for you to

14
00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,320
Speaker 1: not only share what you do, but join a community

15
00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,840
Speaker 1: and that allows you to meet other people, and who

16
00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,480
Speaker 1: knows what happens when you meet other people. A specific

17
00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,600
Speaker 1: example of is I posted a comment or something about

18
00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,280
Speaker 1: shed hunting, and I met a guy who shed hunts

19
00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,000
Speaker 1: near me, and I think we're gonna team up and

20
00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,760
Speaker 1: go on a shed hunt together this this fall, so

21
00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,640
Speaker 1: or this excuse me this spring. So, if you haven't

22
00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,160
Speaker 1: had the opportunity. Go to the Google Play Store download

23
00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,640
Speaker 1: the Go Wild app, and if you want some more information,

24
00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,039
Speaker 1: you can also go to their website Time to Go

25
00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,440
Speaker 1: Wild dot com. Get outside, It's time to Go Wild.

26
00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,959
Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm the host of the

27
00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,360
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into

28
00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,520
Speaker 1: the world of hunting the icon of North American wilderness.

29
00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:46,039
Speaker 1: We'll talk about tactics, gear conservation. It will also bring

30
00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:49,760
Speaker 1: you into some of the wildest country on the planet chasing.

31
00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,120
Speaker 1: Thanks are listening to the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. On

32
00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:07,080
Speaker 1: this episode, I have with me at the global headquarters

33
00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:11,920
Speaker 1: Ford van Fausen of First Light forwards the conservation director

34
00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,400
Speaker 1: of First Light, and also with him is Jordan Riley

35
00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,520
Speaker 1: of Captured Creative. These guys were in Arkansas for about

36
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,799
Speaker 1: a week and in this conversation we talked a little

37
00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,280
Speaker 1: bit about what we were doing. We tell some couple

38
00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:29,040
Speaker 1: of epic squirrel stories that aren't your classic dedicated squirrel

39
00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,680
Speaker 1: hunt type stories, but we hear most importantly about what

40
00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,000
Speaker 1: these guys do. So Ford van Fausen has has been

41
00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,120
Speaker 1: with First Light for several years, but he took Ryan

42
00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:41,440
Speaker 1: Callahan's spot who was the former conservation director of First Light.

43
00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,720
Speaker 1: Ryan's now with Meat Eater, so Ford took his spot,

44
00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:51,600
Speaker 1: and Jordan's is a is a videographer photographer is part

45
00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:55,160
Speaker 1: owner of this media company, Captured Creative Man. They have

46
00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,880
Speaker 1: some great insight into their both of their fields and

47
00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,000
Speaker 1: it's just a fun pie cast and you're gonna enjoy it.

48
00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,600
Speaker 1: I want to make mention of something that I'm doing

49
00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,239
Speaker 1: with with several other groups and podcasts, but we're doing

50
00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:15,200
Speaker 1: a hashtag called trash trophies. Okay, hashtag trash trophies. And

51
00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,119
Speaker 1: what we're trying to get people to do is when

52
00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,960
Speaker 1: they're out on public land, take a Walmart bag or

53
00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,760
Speaker 1: some type of little grocery bag with you and pick

54
00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,040
Speaker 1: up the trash that you see. We think is hunters

55
00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,959
Speaker 1: one of the pretty pretty functional impact that we could

56
00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,480
Speaker 1: have on public lands. It's just picking up trash. I

57
00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,600
Speaker 1: know in places that I hunt, trash is a problem.

58
00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,160
Speaker 1: And parking areas, along trails and different places we're gonna

59
00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,520
Speaker 1: see trash. And so take a picture of your trash

60
00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:51,880
Speaker 1: trophy and hashtag it on Instagram hashtag trash trophies. Additionally,

61
00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,480
Speaker 1: I want to direct you guys to the bare dash

62
00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,240
Speaker 1: hunting dot com store. We just released a new shirt.

63
00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,640
Speaker 1: It's our mule Riding Bear Hunter shirt and maybe one

64
00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,920
Speaker 1: of the most epic shirts ever created. If you're gonna

65
00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,640
Speaker 1: want to pick one up at our at our web

66
00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,560
Speaker 1: store and bear dash hunting dot com. And it's uh,

67
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,720
Speaker 1: it's it's classy. It's gonna keep you classy. It's gonna

68
00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,240
Speaker 1: keep you uh, you know, kind of in the in

69
00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,039
Speaker 1: the trend. Check it out. All right, we're gonna jump

70
00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:32,719
Speaker 1: right into it. You're gonna enjoy this podcast. So we

71
00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,920
Speaker 1: are at the Bear Honey Magazine global headquarters here in

72
00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:42,800
Speaker 1: West Fork, Arkansas, World HQ, World HQ. It's February, and

73
00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,520
Speaker 1: I have the privilege of having in my office tonight

74
00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:53,040
Speaker 1: forward Van Fassen first Light. And I'll go ahead and

75
00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,599
Speaker 1: tell the other name before we get into these two guys.

76
00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,240
Speaker 1: The other the other gentleman sit in front me, is

77
00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:05,320
Speaker 1: Jordan's right captured creative. For everybody who who would follow

78
00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,039
Speaker 1: much of what I do, would would know first Light

79
00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,920
Speaker 1: from well, from maybe many different sources. But Ford, why

80
00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,280
Speaker 1: don't you, uh, why don't you tell us, I don't know,

81
00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,560
Speaker 1: give us an introduction to tell us you are to

82
00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,279
Speaker 1: tell us what you do for First Light. I'm Ford N. Fawston.

83
00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:28,200
Speaker 1: I am First Lates Conservation and Content Manager. Okay, yeah, okay,

84
00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,440
Speaker 1: new title out thinking it's always so Ryan Callahan went

85
00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:36,719
Speaker 1: to meet Eater. Ryan Callahan was the former conservation director

86
00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:41,000
Speaker 1: first he was. He was, so I've assumed some of

87
00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,680
Speaker 1: his conservation are You're gonna grow a mustache? No, no,

88
00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,320
Speaker 1: because I'm still Actually I'm hoping here in the next

89
00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,960
Speaker 1: couple of years of Pubert he's gonna come through for me.

90
00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:56,120
Speaker 1: But until then not, yeah, loustache less, not yet. Okay, Well,

91
00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna get into more detail, and what we're gonna

92
00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,320
Speaker 1: talk about is we're gonna I want to hear something

93
00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:05,240
Speaker 1: about really what you do forward and uh for First

94
00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,760
Speaker 1: Light and talk a little bit about that. But quickly

95
00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:13,240
Speaker 1: I'll introduce Jordan's Riley have Captured Creative. So Jordan's introduce yourself.

96
00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,520
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't tell us where you're from. Ford, I

97
00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,560
Speaker 1: am from Trapped, Maryland. I live in Catchum, Idaho at

98
00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:28,960
Speaker 1: first Lights Global International World. Yeah. Yeah, okay, so Jordan's yeah,

99
00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,320
Speaker 1: tell us who you are? Yeah, well, Jordan Riley, I

100
00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,800
Speaker 1: am one of the owners of Captured creative Taylor Coleman

101
00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,960
Speaker 1: is back in Minnesota right now. But yeah, Minnesota based

102
00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:45,679
Speaker 1: UM Production Media production company. We shoot photos and video

103
00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,280
Speaker 1: for a bunch of cool brands and get to hang

104
00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,200
Speaker 1: out with a lot of cool people along the way. Yeah.

105
00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,720
Speaker 1: So these guys are here in Arkansas there, they've been

106
00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,600
Speaker 1: here for four days and we've been doing some I've

107
00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:02,120
Speaker 1: been doing some hunting down here. We uh we squirrel

108
00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:07,920
Speaker 1: hunted with mules on Wednesday with Trey Autry, Michael and Ere.

109
00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,960
Speaker 1: And then on on Thursday we did a little bit

110
00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,160
Speaker 1: of deer hunting, is that right? And we also went

111
00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,240
Speaker 1: raccoon hunting. And today we did a little scenic tour

112
00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,160
Speaker 1: of the Ozarks, got out in some of the rough

113
00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,760
Speaker 1: country of the Ozarks and I saw some pretty cool country.

114
00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,800
Speaker 1: And uh So it's been a absolute blast having you

115
00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,080
Speaker 1: guys down here. It's been fun. A lot of first

116
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,560
Speaker 1: these last couple of days. What okay, what what would

117
00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,960
Speaker 1: have your first? What would your first have been? Now?

118
00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,760
Speaker 1: Ford is from the shallow South in Maryland, as we

119
00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,880
Speaker 1: have defined, which which is a total shock to me.

120
00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,120
Speaker 1: I did not realize it. But it's very true what

121
00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,160
Speaker 1: he says. And Ford feels like a Southerner to me.

122
00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes he sounds like a Southerner too. Yeah, he doesn't

123
00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,440
Speaker 1: really know what his accent is. Yeah, he kind of

124
00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,320
Speaker 1: goes all over the all over the board. But no,

125
00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,960
Speaker 1: So what were your first Jordan's I think just about

126
00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,840
Speaker 1: every day there or something. First. I've never been on

127
00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:11,880
Speaker 1: a dedicated squirrel hunt before hunt a dedicated squirrel hund

128
00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,280
Speaker 1: as opposed to squirrel hunt. Had with Mr Ben Fosson

129
00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,920
Speaker 1: earlier and this year he missed a squirrel and dropped

130
00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,760
Speaker 1: his I shouldn't say, I shouldn't go this far? Should

131
00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,360
Speaker 1: we go there? How did this come up again? The same?

132
00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:33,160
Speaker 1: This came up quick too. Yeah, years would have been

133
00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:40,040
Speaker 1: an incidental squirrel hunt. Certainly that ended in a bizarre way, Yes, certainly. Yeah,

134
00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,600
Speaker 1: so just quickly go ahead and tell us what happened.

135
00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,839
Speaker 1: The long and the short of it was, we were

136
00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,040
Speaker 1: hunting the rut in Wisconsin, the squirrel rut or the

137
00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,360
Speaker 1: dear rut. That's a good question. We were here the

138
00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,400
Speaker 1: white tail deer. Okay, the white tail deer rut. It

139
00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,400
Speaker 1: was what I'm told is the absolute peak of the

140
00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,600
Speaker 1: Y T L deer rut in in Wisconsin. It was,

141
00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,480
Speaker 1: in fact, what we were there to do was not

142
00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:14,320
Speaker 1: at the rut, however. Uh At around ten thirty a

143
00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,559
Speaker 1: fox squirrel, which I have personal interest in as a

144
00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,360
Speaker 1: species for reasons we don't have to go into, appeared

145
00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:26,040
Speaker 1: at ten yards very close. I had to crater arrows.

146
00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,360
Speaker 1: I chose to remove a broad headed arrow and knock

147
00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,200
Speaker 1: at critter. Arrow I shot at the squirrel, did not

148
00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,360
Speaker 1: kill the squirrel, took about an inch of hair off

149
00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,880
Speaker 1: the squirrel's back, and figured I would go get my

150
00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,720
Speaker 1: arrow because it was ten thirty. I've been sitting a

151
00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,199
Speaker 1: tree for a while and I was gonna just pop

152
00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,600
Speaker 1: down to where the arrow was sitting in the dirt,

153
00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,200
Speaker 1: only ten yards from the tree. I grabbed my arrow

154
00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,000
Speaker 1: ah with my bow still hanging on the tree, arm

155
00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:00,600
Speaker 1: back in the tree, proceeded to climb. I'm the tree

156
00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,560
Speaker 1: and felt something kind of on my back as I

157
00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:06,559
Speaker 1: was getting seated back in the stand and turned to

158
00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,000
Speaker 1: watch my bow drop out of the tree into the

159
00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,120
Speaker 1: mud below. Or what have you? Messed up the boat

160
00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,760
Speaker 1: pretty good? Bent up the boat pretty good. Jordan was

161
00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,679
Speaker 1: filming this whole thing and at this point just laughing

162
00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,200
Speaker 1: mercilessly at me. So this would be an incidental squirrel hunt.

163
00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,280
Speaker 1: That was the point we were driving home. That was

164
00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,680
Speaker 1: the definition of a of an incidental So what you

165
00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,120
Speaker 1: guys did this week was a was a purposeful squirrel

166
00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,400
Speaker 1: dedicated as you said, Geordie. Now if you've you've done

167
00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:42,280
Speaker 1: dedicated squrawn and not anything like that one though, I mean,

168
00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:46,240
Speaker 1: well you're about to lead into mules and dogs and

169
00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,760
Speaker 1: all kinds of extra accouterments, which made it all the

170
00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,840
Speaker 1: more fun. Definitely. Yeah. Well, and I think the original

171
00:10:55,920 --> 00:11:00,120
Speaker 1: question was the first that that we had that you

172
00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:05,240
Speaker 1: had as somebody from Minnesota. So squirrel hunt, dedicated squirrel hunt. Yeah,

173
00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:10,240
Speaker 1: there's a blast. It's just something I think. I don't know.

174
00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes people that hunt can kind of get like singular

175
00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,280
Speaker 1: minded on one species, and for me growing up, that

176
00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,440
Speaker 1: was white tails. So the words were quote unquote for

177
00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,640
Speaker 1: white tails. Yeah, you didn't really want to do anything

178
00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,880
Speaker 1: to that precious little chunk of land that you had.

179
00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,160
Speaker 1: But man, after after going on that squawl hunt, I

180
00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,679
Speaker 1: kind of kind of kicking myself. I've been missing out

181
00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,000
Speaker 1: for a little bit, I think because I was when

182
00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,959
Speaker 1: you said that earlier this week. I've never really thought

183
00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,120
Speaker 1: of it that way. You know that I mean, perhaps

184
00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,400
Speaker 1: people wouldn't want to, you lose their hunting ground for

185
00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,920
Speaker 1: anything other than white And certainly I know there's properties

186
00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,880
Speaker 1: like that that are managed in that way, no doubt,

187
00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,160
Speaker 1: but that that would like block out like an entire

188
00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,480
Speaker 1: hunting culture of a region from like really being into

189
00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,800
Speaker 1: small game hunting because they're so dedicated to deer hunting

190
00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,400
Speaker 1: and all the all the studies, well, there are particular,

191
00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:11,840
Speaker 1: like scientific based research based studies that show that raccoon

192
00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:17,000
Speaker 1: hunting at night does not affect daytime deer activity because

193
00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,480
Speaker 1: like on these big some of these big leases where

194
00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,120
Speaker 1: there's multiple types of people using the same piece of property.

195
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,920
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of historical controversy that

196
00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,800
Speaker 1: like coon hunters would come in run their dogs at

197
00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,240
Speaker 1: night during deer season, and all the deer hunters would

198
00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,880
Speaker 1: blame them for not killing deer the next day, and

199
00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,360
Speaker 1: so somebody settled that. I don't know who it was,

200
00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:41,199
Speaker 1: but I've heard that research project touted many many times.

201
00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:47,280
Speaker 1: Perhaps it's biased, but you know, you gotta sasources on that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

202
00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,240
Speaker 1: if you google it, if you google it, it's yeah,

203
00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,800
Speaker 1: it may have been fake news, but um I have

204
00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,959
Speaker 1: so they said, they said that it didn't affect daytime

205
00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:04,520
Speaker 1: deer movement, nveniently, says the raccoon Hunter. And this project

206
00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:11,880
Speaker 1: was funded by the Raccoon Mountain Raccoon Foundation. But so

207
00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,800
Speaker 1: that is neither here nor there. So, but the squirrel,

208
00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,400
Speaker 1: the dedicated squirrel hunt was the first, and we also

209
00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,559
Speaker 1: went on a dedicated raccoon not right, Yeah, the first

210
00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,160
Speaker 1: time there too. That's fine, I guess I honestly, I

211
00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,280
Speaker 1: really just didn't know what to expect going into that one,

212
00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,040
Speaker 1: and it was I mean, there's a social aspect there

213
00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,720
Speaker 1: that I think the closest thing I can relate it

214
00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,320
Speaker 1: to is maybe like a pheasant hunt back home, you know,

215
00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,360
Speaker 1: where you can talk. Only even in a pheasant hunt,

216
00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,160
Speaker 1: you're always kind of on edge because a bird could

217
00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,920
Speaker 1: jump up and you have to shoot it right over

218
00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,960
Speaker 1: With this, yeah, I mean, you let those dogs go

219
00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,920
Speaker 1: and we just sat cut the lights and talked. It's

220
00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,600
Speaker 1: more like a relaxing type of a you know. That's

221
00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:01,120
Speaker 1: that's the whole essence really of a of a coon hunt,

222
00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:05,679
Speaker 1: especially and for me is that it's, uh, it is

223
00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,840
Speaker 1: highly social. I think what part of what I'm doing

224
00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,280
Speaker 1: inside of my hunting, especially with my kids is I'm

225
00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,439
Speaker 1: looking for a platform to build relationship, you know, I mean,

226
00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,640
Speaker 1: that's really the essence of it. But what makes a

227
00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,560
Speaker 1: coon hunt different than anything else as you do it

228
00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,400
Speaker 1: in the dark in the daytime. It's even if if

229
00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:25,840
Speaker 1: if there was a group of us standing out in

230
00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:27,840
Speaker 1: the middle of that field during the daytime or standing

231
00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,880
Speaker 1: by a creek, my kids would have been like off

232
00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,720
Speaker 1: doing something. But like the darkness like forces you to

233
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,280
Speaker 1: huddle together and you're just sitting there with your lights off,

234
00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,680
Speaker 1: listening for the dogs talking. That's I think that's the

235
00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,920
Speaker 1: for me. It's such a contrast to the solo, big

236
00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,160
Speaker 1: game hunting that which we all love, well, we all

237
00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:56,520
Speaker 1: we all do love that, but it's uh, but it's

238
00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,600
Speaker 1: but it's different. Yeah, it was. It's definitely a from field.

239
00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,360
Speaker 1: You know. The only thing though that I thought it

240
00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,000
Speaker 1: was at all similar to was frog gigging. Yeah, that

241
00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,600
Speaker 1: was the only yea in terms of waiting for you know,

242
00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,920
Speaker 1: waiting for the sun to go down and then wandering

243
00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,560
Speaker 1: around in the dark explicitly totally I mean, still obviously

244
00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:19,840
Speaker 1: totally different, its being different animals, but yeah, yeah, but

245
00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,680
Speaker 1: that night element was a little familiar that way. Yeah, yeah,

246
00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,440
Speaker 1: it is. So the conut was a lot of fun

247
00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,920
Speaker 1: and we uh, we didn't have a real long hunt.

248
00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,760
Speaker 1: We just went out for a couple of hours, but

249
00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,200
Speaker 1: we did. We did get a coon. A lot of fun.

250
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,440
Speaker 1: Treat two canes right or one one hole? Well we yeah,

251
00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,400
Speaker 1: we put one in the rocks. Yeah, put one in

252
00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,040
Speaker 1: the rocks and then and then tread one. So it

253
00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:52,640
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. Um, So that's what that's

254
00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:55,680
Speaker 1: what we did this week. I want to talk about

255
00:15:55,760 --> 00:16:01,000
Speaker 1: you guys though, and uh, perhaps who do we need

256
00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,280
Speaker 1: to talk to first? I think maybe we'll talk to

257
00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:07,640
Speaker 1: Jordan's first, just because we were filming, we were or

258
00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:12,000
Speaker 1: he Captured Creative. If you guys haven't heard of Captured Creative,

259
00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,680
Speaker 1: go on Instagram search it out. Uh, you guys are

260
00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,120
Speaker 1: on Facebook two yeah, and then you can also just

261
00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:24,360
Speaker 1: check out Jordan Riley's Facebook, Taylor Coleman's Facebook in Instagram.

262
00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,120
Speaker 1: And these guys do a ton of work for First Light.

263
00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,120
Speaker 1: They do a lot of a lot of the photography,

264
00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:36,360
Speaker 1: a lot of the product based photography. And you gotta

265
00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:42,080
Speaker 1: you ought to tell Ford how you guys hired these guys. Yeah,

266
00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,520
Speaker 1: so Jordan and Taylor were some of our first quote

267
00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:52,040
Speaker 1: unquote pro staffers. And these are young guys Jordan's so

268
00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,720
Speaker 1: he was just a pup. He was just a pup.

269
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,280
Speaker 1: And this was four years ago. Eything in mind that

270
00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,920
Speaker 1: Ford is only one year older than I am. Ords

271
00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:08,199
Speaker 1: a young I'm two years older. I'll have you know older. Um. So, anyhow,

272
00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:12,760
Speaker 1: we were two thousand fourteen. I was putting together first

273
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:18,160
Speaker 1: light sort of first quote unquote pro staff and there's

274
00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,320
Speaker 1: some guys and I'm assuming that you sent some pictures

275
00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,960
Speaker 1: that were good and like, yeah, yeah, these guys should

276
00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,400
Speaker 1: be part of the part of the pro staff for sure.

277
00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,359
Speaker 1: And called Jordan to sort of interview him. And it

278
00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:34,439
Speaker 1: was the day before your wedding. Yeah, I was walking

279
00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,639
Speaker 1: through the doors of the church to my wedding rehearsal,

280
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of people staring at me while I took

281
00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:45,560
Speaker 1: some random call from catchum Idaho yep, yep. So anyhow,

282
00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, going to interview and make sure he

283
00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,920
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy. So anyhow, Jordan and Taylor at some point

284
00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,199
Speaker 1: soon after sent us a little hype reel then, Is

285
00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,679
Speaker 1: that how you describe it? We just went out and

286
00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 1: filmed like a Minnesota hype real sixty or less real

287
00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,120
Speaker 1: of just I think we had some drone footage, some

288
00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,800
Speaker 1: some other camera type of work in there. Yeah, sent

289
00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:16,160
Speaker 1: it to him and heard back pretty shortly after. I think. Yeah,

290
00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:21,560
Speaker 1: my my boss, uh Ross Conforman saw that, and at

291
00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,000
Speaker 1: least in my head, the story goes that he said,

292
00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,919
Speaker 1: some of the long lines, they're gonna make product videos

293
00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,359
Speaker 1: for us. So we called them up and I don't know,

294
00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:36,200
Speaker 1: maybe six months later you were filming uh, product product

295
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,520
Speaker 1: videos for the release of I think what was then

296
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:47,119
Speaker 1: the ten line. Yep, that's a classic story that everybody

297
00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:52,520
Speaker 1: that's into content creation and media would hope would happen

298
00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,479
Speaker 1: because they would send their sizzle reel to a major

299
00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,919
Speaker 1: national company and that company would hire them to do

300
00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,000
Speaker 1: work for them. I believe, my friend, you have hit

301
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:07,600
Speaker 1: the jackpot. I agree with that. Well, but what they

302
00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:10,399
Speaker 1: saw inside of you guys, what they saw inside of

303
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:15,760
Speaker 1: your work was a level of excellence that is just notable,

304
00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,679
Speaker 1: you know, and I think any anybody that sees your

305
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:23,600
Speaker 1: stuff is going to recognize that, and uh and that's valuable. Yeah, well,

306
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 1: thank you. I mean, we're definitely not the only ones

307
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,480
Speaker 1: doing it like that. I mean, we try to we

308
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,160
Speaker 1: try to kind of make our own thing and make

309
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 1: it uniquely us and just kind of keep our heads

310
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,080
Speaker 1: down and work hard, and it's it's it's paid off

311
00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,760
Speaker 1: up to this point. We hope we can hope we

312
00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,159
Speaker 1: can keep things up and kind of keep pushing it,

313
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,800
Speaker 1: pushing a little bit farther. Yeah, well maybe one day

314
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 1: they'll actually pay you. I know you've been doing it

315
00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 1: for three this whole time. So right, that's how the

316
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:55,919
Speaker 1: pro staff works, right yet, know we kint them like

317
00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 1: a ten percent deal on gear. Uh yeah, So so

318
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,000
Speaker 1: Capture Creative. So I want to talk about the film

319
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 1: in City Limits because both of you guys worked on that.

320
00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 1: So First Light last Fall was it October that that

321
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 1: was released October? Okay, so First Lights doing they they

322
00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 1: do product videos, Like if you go to the first

323
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 1: Like YouTube channel, you would see product videos. But you

324
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 1: would also see in the last two years, um, two

325
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 1: sets of videos. One about tag a guy there that

326
00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 1: works at the First Light office who was not a

327
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 1: hunter but drew this unbelievable sheep tag in Alaska, and

328
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,359
Speaker 1: so there's a series of videos on that. But you

329
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,080
Speaker 1: would also see a film called n City Limits that

330
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 1: now was Taylor working with you on that or was

331
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,159
Speaker 1: it just you and Ford? Taylor Coleman was He was

332
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 1: one of the photographers with on that one too. Okay,

333
00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 1: so you and Taylor and Ford. We're with Taylor Chamberlain

334
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Near Washington, d C. So tell

335
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: me about the film. So Taylor was another original pro.

336
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 1: He was another O G pro staffer. I think he

337
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 1: was part of the first round of pro staffs. And

338
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:22,919
Speaker 1: he is a feller that hunts O G O G proces.

339
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: He was one of the first pro staff Does that

340
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: mean original gangster? Uh? Some might, some mighty didn't. Some

341
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: might say it does. Yeah. Um, he was one of

342
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,840
Speaker 1: our first pro stafvers I think um. And he caught

343
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: my eye immediately because he said something along the lines of, I,

344
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 1: you know, I hunt a hundred and fifty days a

345
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 1: year in the suburbs of Washington, d C. I'll kill

346
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: between forty and a hundred deer a year, and I

347
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 1: hunt out a swing set sometimes. You know. It was

348
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: something that brief. And so he wrote a couple of

349
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 1: blog posts for us through the years, and eventually, as

350
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: first I sort of moved into those you know, what

351
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 1: we call full content pieces or full puller length, really

352
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: content pieces. Uh. Taylor was sort of the first story

353
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: that came to mind for me just because it was

354
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,600
Speaker 1: such or it felt like such a unique story. Uh,

355
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 1: this guy who was was really doing more than his

356
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: part to manage the suburban deer heard there in northern

357
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 1: Virginia and uh, and also just couldn't get enough of

358
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 1: doing so he just loves it. So had you met

359
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: him before only on the phone? I have only ever

360
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 1: you'd only talked to him on the phone when you went, Ye,

361
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: when we flew over there, I think I got there

362
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,199
Speaker 1: a day before Taylor and Jordan's um And yeah, we

363
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: had only talked on the on the phone. We met

364
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 1: at Reagan Airport. Yeah. So how long were you guys

365
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: there when you were shooting that film? I think we

366
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: filmed four six or seven days how and so you

367
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: were you were hunting in the tree with him, Yeah,

368
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 1: we were filming deer hunts. Yeah, we had both Taylor

369
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 1: Coleman and I were. You know, one of us would

370
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: be kind of in the tree with Taylor Chamberlain and

371
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: the other one would be back off some ways to

372
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: get a little bit better, because I mean we were

373
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 1: hunting and sometimes as small as half acre pieces of

374
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 1: property right on the edge of lawns basically, so just

375
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: to kind of really set the scene of yeah, there's

376
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: houses right there, and we're running here to kind of

377
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: get that. And he's one of those tree saddle hit

378
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,200
Speaker 1: piece he is, and he's he's converting us one by one.

379
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: I know, I'm already converted. Now. They are awesome. They

380
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: are awesome. Um here's my question. How does he so

381
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: what's the how can he kill a hundred deer a

382
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: year legally? Yeah? So very liberal seasons to start, you know,

383
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: in just Virginia's rags in the northern I think it's

384
00:23:56,280 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: five counties, one of which Oblie obviously he's in. I

385
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: don't even remember the details. I think they're regular boat seasons.

386
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: Probably early September too, I think it was later than

387
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: I or even respected maybe April April March, yeah, for real,

388
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: and that's their regular season. And then they get um,

389
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't remember the terminology. It's a it's a form

390
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: of depredation tag essentially, it's it's essentially a suburban depredation tag,

391
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 1: an azalea bandit, you know, predation tag or depredation tag.

392
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: And uh so Anyhow, the net some of that as

393
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: they can kill Antler List dear from I think whatever

394
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: it is April until September again, um, And so there's

395
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: essentially no limit on the Yeller List Dear Um. I

396
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: don't remember whether the summer kill permits cover Antler Dear

397
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: or not. Um. But then during the regular Dear season itself,

398
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: I believe they actually do just have three buck tags

399
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: killing bucks up there. Yeah, He's definitely had his fair share.

400
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: I mean, he he's on some big ones in there

401
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: for sure. So even though he's got these unlimited dough tags,

402
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: basically he could still shoot a buck at any time. Yeah,

403
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: and I think during the rot he I mean, he's

404
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 1: he's hunting for a buck in November. See, they have

405
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: urban deer hunts in like seven cities in Arkansas or something.

406
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: You've got to kill a certain amount of doze before

407
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: you can even kill a buck. Yeah about arna buck,

408
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: Yeah definitely. Well, that that was a that was a

409
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: super neat film. What can you in the production of that?

410
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: What were the what were the major challenges Jordan's I mean,

411
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean was that well, let me back up, was

412
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: that the first feature length film that you had done

413
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: with First Light. Yep, yeah, that was the that was

414
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: the very first one. So what other films had you

415
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: done before that? Just some small our stuff, not really

416
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: too much anything for brands, So that was kind of

417
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: our I mean breakouts maybe not the right word, but

418
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: that was the first. That was the first time kind

419
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: of trusted us for for something of that level. Well,

420
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: it was it was really, it was great. It was great. Yeah,

421
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: it was a lot. There was a lot of fun,

422
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: of fun to put together that one. Definitely Tailor is

423
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: a super fun guy to hang out with, and it

424
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: was really an interesting world to see. That's you know,

425
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,719
Speaker 1: so different then a lot of our experiences, especially I

426
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: think in the West or you know, in sort of

427
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: traditional white tail Great Lake States like Jordan's from. But

428
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: the funny thing about sort of the reception to that

429
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: piece that we were discussing earlier at some point in

430
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: the last couple of days, is how many people identified

431
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: with it. You know, how many people we're hunting in

432
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: in semi suburban areas or near houses. And when I

433
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: thought it through, I mean even I I've shot white

434
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: tails within a hundred yards of folks houses and never

435
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: really thought about it because it was in a kind

436
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: of quote unquote rural area, right, But um, yeah, it's

437
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: it's it's I think, and it's an increasingly common experience

438
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: really as obviously cities sprawl out and at the same

439
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: time as as white tail populations increase or or at

440
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: least they're still present in those suburban areas well. My

441
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 1: biggest Arkansas deer came from very close to my house

442
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: and uh, and it changed the way that I looked

443
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: at whitetail hunting because I mean I liked to go

444
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: to wild places quote unquote to hunt deer and ended

445
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 1: up killing the biggest deer that I've ever killed in Arkansas,

446
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: will probably be the biggest deer I ever killed in

447
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: Arkansas was in a suburban area and uh in two

448
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: thousand seven, and that's about the time it started to

449
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: become a thing. You know, this suburban deer hunting was

450
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: back during that time. But a lot opportunity And that's

451
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: the that's the beauty of white tail honey is there's

452
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: just opportunity so many places. But what you said this

453
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: week forward in our talk, we had extensive dialogue about

454
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: bears and bara biology, and um, you said that we're

455
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: finding out that that bears are kind of the same way,

456
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: especially in the Northeast. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, we're definitely we

457
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 1: I think we had had a had a sort of

458
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: a myth in our head that was really I think

459
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: just informed by where we chased bear to. Ultimately, you know,

460
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: as as sort of colonial pre Americans, um, Europeans whatever,

461
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, sort of came and settled North America, they

462
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: pushed a lot of these games, so he's white tailed

463
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: deer to some degree, to this sort of another corners

464
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: of the country, and then I think we sort of

465
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: assumed that that's where they just live. But you know,

466
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: as as we sort of were more you know, as

467
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: as habitat was restored or people were just more open

468
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: to having bears around, we figured out that they can

469
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,920
Speaker 1: live in most of New Jersey. Yeah, They're just they're

470
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: far more adaptable species than we give them credit for.

471
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: I think ecologically, it's just a question of of how

472
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: humans are are willing to deal with them that really

473
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: determines how many bears can live in a given place.

474
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: The cultural tolerance of it, that's the word for it. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

475
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: speaking of cultural tolerance, we have had pretty significant intolerance

476
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: at the global headquarters this week of squirrels. Yes, yes,

477
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: we have. I feel like it's only fitting that we

478
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: expound on a squirrel incident that happened here at the

479
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Global Headquarters this week. We we don't have to take

480
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: a lot of time on this, even though it's probably

481
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: the most exciting thing that happened the entire week, and

482
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: we did a lot of exciting things this week. It

483
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: was pretty exciting. Yeah, so we're we're here in the

484
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: office Ford Seeson. Squirrel outside the Global Headquarters and I

485
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: just happened to have a four tien. It's squirrel season here.

486
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: Just happened to have a four tien with shells handy

487
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: and that I didn't I wasn't try wanting to hunt. Well,

488
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: the squirrel has been getting in my in my in

489
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: my ceiling. They've been coming in through a hole in

490
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: the outside, getting in the ceiling. So I have been

491
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: taking care of squirrels. And we see the squirrel. I

492
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: run outside and shoot the shoot at the squirrel as

493
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: it is running away. And I only had one shell

494
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: in the four ten And uh, these guys are watching

495
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: this from the outside and they think I've hit the

496
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: squirrel because they see the squirrel coming out of the tree.

497
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah, we were watching from inside the office.

498
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: The squirrel flees off the office because I think it

499
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: was initially coming towards the office. Well, it was on

500
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: the roof of the office, and I swung around to

501
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: the northwest corner in the squirrel and I just meet

502
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: eye to eye and I'm thinking should I shoot him

503
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: on the roof and I decided not to, even though

504
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: I wish I had now and he goes over the

505
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: other side of the office. I sprint around to the

506
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: southwest corner of the office shoot at a running away

507
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: squirrel about twenty yards with a four ten with number

508
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: six is in it. Miss. It's unclear what happened, but

509
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: the squirrel runs down the trunk of the tree and

510
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: sort of disappears out of sight, and Jordan and I

511
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: are yelling from the inside of the office. He's on

512
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: the ground. He's on the ground. He's on the ground.

513
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: And I run out to tell you he's on the ground. Well,

514
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: and so so you two, I mean, you indicate to

515
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: me that it's dead on the ground, and so I said,

516
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I hit it, and you were like, yeah,

517
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 1: we saw it come out of the tree. I think

518
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: it's training. We're looking for it. We can't find it.

519
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: So my pup is running around my my plot puppy.

520
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: We call the plot puppy, over thinking that the pup

521
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: might be able to find it, which initiates level one chaos,

522
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: Level one chaos. And I, for whatever reason, it handed

523
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: you the gun, and uh and just, I don't know

524
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: where the squirrel came from. It's fairly open. It's like

525
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: he disappeared into the earth and then emerged from the

526
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: earth running up a hickory tree, like no more than

527
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: eight yards in front of Ford. Eight too, I'm gonna

528
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: say eight to eleven yards in front of Ford. And

529
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: the squirrel runs to our side of the tree. And

530
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: just it's like, I mean, just right there at probably

531
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: twelve feet obvious. So Ford's got the gun. There's one

532
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: shell left in the gun. He pulls up, squeezes yanks.

533
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: Really it was a man. I wasn't gonna say it wasn't.

534
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't shot. I wasn't gonna throw a fellow squirrel

535
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: hunter of the bus. But you yanked. This is the

536
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: second time we've talked about squirrels and embarrassment. There's a

537
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 1: real well, so he squeezes the trigger the guns on safety.

538
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: You weren't familiar with the guns, so I can't fault

539
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: you for that. You weren't familiar with Well, you squeeze

540
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 1: and jerk and then you click the safety off. Boom,

541
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 1: And I don't know how did it happened? But you

542
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: missed the squirrel, you know, once again. But yeah, I'm

543
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: missing squirrel. Listen, though the squirrel doesn't run up the tree,

544
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: which it totally could have run up the tree and

545
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: just been gone. The squirrel comes down the tree again

546
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: and runs to the shed near the Global Headquarters, just

547
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: south of the Global Headquarters. And and now we've run

548
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: out of shells, and so I say watch the squirrel

549
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: forward watches where it goes. I run in get shells,

550
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: and Jordan is still not qued in that like world

551
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: class adventure and excitement has taken place. He's just kind

552
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: of watching a little bit. We go out. Squirrel is

553
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 1: in the rafters. Ford takes a piece of bamboo, pokes

554
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: the squirrel. Squirrel runs to another section and then I'm

555
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: up close to the squirrel poking at it. It's staying

556
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: in the rafters and we couldn't figure it out. Next

557
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: thing I know. The squirrel is like spread eagle flying

558
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: through the air, and it skips off the top of

559
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: Ford's head such that it knocks his hat back. It

560
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: didn't knock it off, but I just remember seeing his

561
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 1: hat bill move about two inches. There was impact. There

562
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: was a light impact that this squirrel is flying at

563
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: my face, skips off my hat. I think, I'm not sure.

564
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: I think it touched off my shoulders on the way

565
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: to the ground. But then, in a bizarre move, the squirrel,

566
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: after touching Ford's head, hits the ground and goes back

567
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: to the shed into a large barre earl that's in

568
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: the Yeah, and I'll speed the story up. We can't

569
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: find the squirrel in the barrel. There's a bunch of

570
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: a bunch of bunch of poles, sticks, shovels, whatever. Yeah,

571
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: And so I decided it's time to bring out the

572
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: real We need to find the squirrel. We weren't sure

573
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: it was in the barrel. So I go get Fern,

574
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: my adult good plot raccoon hound, and she's not a

575
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: squirrel dog. But I knew that if she saw us

576
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: getting excited about something that she would, like, you know,

577
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: get after it. So I turned Fern loose and stage

578
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: three chaos. Fern is just going nuts and she realizes

579
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sicker on something, and she smells that

580
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: squirrel and she's crawling over equipment and trying to get

581
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: in that barrel and barking and running. And finally we

582
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: dig out, dig around, find a squirrel in the bottom

583
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: of the barrel. The squirrel jumps out of the barrel

584
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: and runs, I'm not gonna sit, ran up my arm,

585
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: but it touched my arm as it jumped onto the

586
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: tree behind me, runs a ofss the top of the office,

587
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: around to the northwest corner where we started, and runs

588
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,720
Speaker 1: into the ceiling of the Global headquarters. And that's the show,

589
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was a bizarre turn of

590
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: events that ruined it really ruined the week. But uh

591
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: are bawling. The squirrel has touched both of us. At

592
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: this point, the squirrel seems to be wounded. There was blood,

593
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: but didn't And and the most the thing that stood

594
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: out to me the most is that as a hunter,

595
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: there comes a point in any hunt where you it's

596
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: like the animal, It's like you know that this is

597
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna happen. When the squirrels in the barrel, I had

598
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: the four ten, We had Fern and Opie baying in

599
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: the barrel to you with the with a bamboo stick.

600
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like this, there's no way. Ironically,

601
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: we were cooking a pot of squirrel and dumplings in

602
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: the house us and we were already like both planning.

603
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: This was just another one to add to the to

604
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: the slow cooker, like for real, and he got away

605
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: from us. So it was a sad story, said Jordan

606
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: came out and helped to towards the end. Yeah, can

607
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: you verify that what we said is true? I mean,

608
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: did it happened that way? I was inside just taking

609
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: care of some camera equipment and a couple of gunshots

610
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: and some yelling later on chaos. Oh man. I still

611
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: don't know how that why that Scirl acted that way.

612
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: But it was a bad deal. He has a bad deal.

613
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: But for all we know, he is in the in

614
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: the ceiling of this building right now, chewing the wires

615
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: of my office. All right, we gotta get back to

616
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: business here, guys. Um, what's a good segue after that

617
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: into talking to Ford about First Light? You know what

618
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 1: I want to know? To me, first Light seems like

619
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: like the Google of Like okay, like at the Google

620
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: headquarters they have like those snap pods. We don't have

621
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: nap pods, if that's what you mean. That's that's about

622
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: where I was going with this. No, just I was

623
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: more thinking those like swirly slides, like multicolored like children's slides.

624
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: None of those either. Don't have any of those. Okay,

625
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Well tell us tell us what it's like. Now you

626
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: have it. You have an incredible job. Um, Like, what

627
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: what's it like working at the first headquarters? And have

628
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: you seen it evolved? So you started working for the

629
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: like four or five years ago. Yeah, it's grown a ton.

630
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: It's grown a ton. It's it's kind of become more

631
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: of a grown up business. We have sort of yeah,

632
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: we do have standing desks. Okay, you have a couple

633
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: of standing desks. They don't seem to get a ton

634
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: of use. We had some Bounty ball chairs over the

635
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: years that was sort of Google ish. Those didn't seem

636
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: to last very long. Um, but it's great, man, It's

637
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: it's a really neat place to to work. How many

638
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 1: people work there? Um, you know, I'm not sure where

639
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: we're at this point. Um, twenty one will be at

640
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, and that's but it's kind of not fair

641
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: to say that because we've got distribution center, we've got developers,

642
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: we've got factories, we've got garment architects. I mean, how

643
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: would you how would you describe what kind of clothing

644
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: First Light makes to someone who wouldn't be familiar with

645
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: First Light gare Oh right, Yeah, so we make we

646
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: make technical hunting apparel. Yeah. Scott and Kent were the

647
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: first folks to put I believe in the hunting industry,

648
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: to put camouflage onto marino wool. That was sort of

649
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: their initial innovation. So they started very much in sort

650
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: of the base core, mid layers and in the years

651
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: since it spiraled out to sort of a full service

652
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: hunting apparel brand with full gear for white tail hunters,

653
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: Western big game hunters, anything sort of big And so

654
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: First Life's really known originally for their marino wool and

655
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: bringing that into the hunting hunting industry exactly as a

656
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: as a as a kind of a miracle fabric for

657
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: active hunting. Yep. Scott and Kenton, um, we're using a

658
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: ton of marino wool. Uh in in Central Idaho, snowmobiling, skiing, uh,

659
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 1: you know, kind of all kinds of snow sports. Kenton

660
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: was a big snowboarder. Also, Scott's a big downhill skiar.

661
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: So they were using this fabric and sort of other

662
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: pursuits um, hike and fishing, etcetera. But uh, you couldn't

663
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: find any hardly in kind of colors besides black, and

664
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: even black for September archery hunt wasn't really ideal. So

665
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: that's sort of where that impetus came from, that desire

666
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: to use that fabric in a in a context, you know,

667
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: hunting context, and to print and or just produce it

668
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 1: in colors that were more favorable to hunting. Yeah, a

669
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: lot of people wouldn't a lot of people in the

670
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: South I have found, and this would include have included me.

671
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: Up until about five or six years ago, I wouldn't

672
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: have understood understood much about well. To me, wool was

673
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: what you wore when it was like ultra cold, certainly,

674
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: but what these thin marino wool layers, it's actually what

675
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: you want to wear when it's hot, because it's it's

676
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: it's thermoregulating your temperature. It's pulling when it's hot, it's

677
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: pulling away. It's pulling away heat from your body. So,

678
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: I mean when the thing that the sort of simple

679
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: image that's really powerful I think is a sheep, right,

680
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: I mean, think about how much wool sheep has on it,

681
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: and sheep deal with temperatures across the world from a

682
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: hundred degree is to negative ten degrees. You know, they're

683
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: pretty outfitted for whatever comes that way, and they they

684
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: certainly aren't putting a whole lot of layers on and

685
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: off in the process. Isn't that why the best marino

686
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: woolf comes from New Zealand because of the temperature swings,

687
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: didn't I hear? Yea that I don't. Actually, I'm presuming

688
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: that the climate is important to marino's loving. I'm pretty

689
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: sure I heard Scott Robinson say on a podcast that

690
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: marino wolf from New Zealand is or maybe that's the

691
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: only place where a lot of it comes from, but

692
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: it's but it's because of the temperature swing, like it

693
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: can get extremely hot but also extremely cold, and certainly

694
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: can and so and that's exactly what a human would

695
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: use that wolf exactly. Yeah, you know, And I'm not

696
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: honestly sure whether people raise marino sheep there because of

697
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: the conditions or whether marino sheep are raised there because

698
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: of the conditions and then they can deal with the

699
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: temperature swings. But either which way, New Zealand produces a

700
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: good chunka and since so that's so marino wolves the

701
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: thing the first lights originally started. But now you have

702
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: a full product line of outer outer layer materials, synthetic

703
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 1: materials of all kinds of stuff. I mean, we started

704
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: sort of, I think the first initial desire was completing

705
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: our own basically September elk kits, you know, October deer

706
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: kits in central Idaho. So you know, I think we

707
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: started with lightweight puffy jackets, lightweight rain jackets for sort

708
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 1: of the backcountry hunting we did there in Idaho, and

709
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: from there we kind of spread, uh towards more Eastern

710
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: tree stan oriented stuff, stuff in the stationary hunter that

711
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: has to deal with a lot of a lot of

712
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: low tempts and a lot of inactivity that way in

713
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: terms of keeping you warm. So yeah, it's it's been

714
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: a it's been a process, but we now offer solutions

715
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: for for pretty much all big game hunters East West. Yeah,

716
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, I would say for someone that doesn't own

717
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: any of this type of gear. What you could start

718
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 1: off with that would be practical for any hunter hunting

719
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 1: in any place in North America would be a basse

720
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: layer marino wool. I mean, like I pretty much don't

721
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 1: do any type of honey without the bass layer marino

722
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: wool on skin, you know, And that would be a

723
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: good place to start for people and then move up

724
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: from there. Next skin is next to skin is the

725
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: place where're going to realize those benefits. You really don't

726
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: realize the benefits until you do it. I mean, like

727
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,240
Speaker 1: I am anti gimmick when it comes to hunting gear,

728
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: like and uh, and you might hear it. And if

729
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: you've never wore the thin marino wool, it may not

730
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: make sense. But once you start wearing it, it makes sense. Yeah,

731
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: not only for active hunting, but for tree stand hunting too.

732
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: It's a game changer. Yeah, from tell me how how

733
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: how is it a game changing for tree stand sitting? Yeah?

734
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds kind of cliche, but you really

735
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 1: do sit more and longer when you do sit because

736
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: you're more comfortable for the entirety of the hunt. Yeah,

737
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago, five six years ago. It

738
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: was just the game of how many you know, pairs

739
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: of sweatpants? Could I squeeze underneath this one you know,

740
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: printed camel layer of clothing that I have between September

741
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: and December thirty one, just being miserable out there, and

742
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: you know this is I think most people in Minnesota

743
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: have multiple pairs of sweatpants. Probably Yeah, I wouldn't be

744
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: surprised at all, but yeah, I mean getting down when

745
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: it's late season, it's cold. I lived in Minnesota, I

746
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: would have like eight pairs of sweatpants, eight sweatpants status,

747
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: how cold is it? It's about eight sweatpants born and

748
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: it's a it's a good measure. Well. The other thing, too,

749
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: is I think people forget that getting in and out

750
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: of trees, it's important not to get sweated up. It's

751
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: important not to get overheated. So breathable clothing that can

752
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: deal with moistures, it can be important in that regard

753
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 1: all white til hunters. Yeah, yeah, very much. So well, okay,

754
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: so we've talked about first Light. Let's go let's talk

755
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: about the capture creative a little bit more. So you guys,

756
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: so you're you're working with first Light. It's the business

757
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: as you and Taylor. Um, what would you say, what

758
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: is your bread and butter media creation? Like, what do

759
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: you love to do? I mean, we're definitely pretty diverse

760
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: in our capabilities and what we do. Um, it's not

761
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: really one thing that you know makes up a bigger

762
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: piece of the pie. Um. We do everything from photography

763
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: to you know, filmmaking too. We help out with social

764
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: media accounts for for certain brands and um, I mean

765
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: it definitely all stammed with photography and videography. Yeah, that's

766
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: what about you? You just you though, like what you're photographer,

767
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: videography increasingly the you know, the whole cinematography and just

768
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: making making typical things, things that you see a lot

769
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: or maybe otherwise, but just making them look visually appealing

770
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: and trying to see them in a through different lands.

771
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, for instance, this week, we were we were

772
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: doing stuff that I've never done before and trying to

773
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: show that to people who are could be in my

774
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 1: same shoes, you know, never seeing somebody shoot a bow

775
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: and arrow off the back of a mule, or chasing

776
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: squirrels down you know, down a down an old road

777
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: or anything like that. You know, it's constantly the wheels

778
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: are kind of spinning on how you can tell that

779
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: story and that's it's not always easy, but man, it's

780
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: it's rewarding and that's that's what keeps you going. So

781
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: it keeps me going at it. Yeah, well it was.

782
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun this week. What I

783
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 1: what I learned this week watching you because I'm a

784
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: videographer myself. You know, we make a lot of videos,

785
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: so we and I edit and I shoot steel photography,

786
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: and what I saw this week and I was really

787
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: interested to see how you guys would operate. But I

788
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: just saw a level of excellence that helped me kind

789
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: of up the bar just as i've i've as i've

790
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: watched you deal with light, I mean you're like a

791
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: you're like, uh, I don't know the word to use,

792
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: but I mean just like like conciouseur. Yeah, I mean,

793
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: it's it's really all about all about lighting, in the

794
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: in the detail that you go to with lighting to

795
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: get a certain shot. And uh, it's always it's always

796
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: fun to well I've never done it before, worked with

797
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: somebody that was just at a I mean a different level. Yeah. Well,

798
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: I mean in regardless of what what it is that

799
00:48:55,840 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: you're doing, like that it's I mean, for instance, even

800
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: even like you me watching you, even though I was filming,

801
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: I'm still taking in what you're doing and learning just

802
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: kind of the general like woodsmanship and everything. And it

803
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: definitely it goes both ways. You know. When I'm when

804
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm on a shoot like that, I'm constantly constantly trying

805
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: to just pick stuff up while I'm you know, looking

806
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: for light, looking for those angles, looking for the right composition,

807
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: that sort of thing. It's it's you. Definitely you learn

808
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: more and you learn different things than you expect to

809
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,479
Speaker 1: on a shoot like this and even shoots last fall. Yeah. Sure,

810
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: Now do you mind telling us what kind of equipment

811
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: your main camera? Is? That? Cool? Yeah? Yeah, no, absolutely

812
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: so this week the main rig that I was filming

813
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: with was was a red cameras to Scarlet Wum. Awesome camera.

814
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: Definitely not perfect for the conditions that we were that

815
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: we found ourselves in by any means, but due to

816
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, picture quality, the image that it

817
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 1: puts out is incredible that working with it, and post

818
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: is pretty incredible too, with you know, working with raw

819
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: footage and it's yeah, it's it's a lot to deal

820
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: with out there. But it's definitely worth it. Yeah, I

821
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: just interjected, Jordan carried a red camera, which ways, what

822
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: do you think It's got to be close to ten

823
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: twelve pounds by the time it's kidded out and you

824
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: were carrying your other gear too though, minimum And I've

825
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: seen Jordan carried up and down mountains, but this week alone,

826
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: Jordan carried it seven miles just today. Yeah, their shoulder. Yeah,

827
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: and really not just carried it but sort of pointed

828
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: it for seven miles. Yes, there's seven miles of filming.

829
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: That's probably another good metric that you can ask for real,

830
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: it was for distance. So inside of this scenario forward,

831
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,280
Speaker 1: you're the you're the producer, So you're here with Jordan's

832
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, you're I mean, you you don't really

833
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: tell him what to do. It's been fun watching you

834
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: guys work together because I've yet to hear you tell

835
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: him to do something. But yet you're working your your

836
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: your partner together and you're kind of it's kind of

837
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: like you are both on the same bandwidth and you're

838
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: co laboring together. But so you're here like yeah, yeah,

839
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: I mean I don't I just I generally know that

840
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: you know Jordan and I discuss what we want to

841
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: do and pretty much know that Jordan will get the shots. Um,

842
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't really have any He's never not gotten him.

843
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. No pressure anyway, but no

844
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: pressure at all. Let's keep it that way. The team

845
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: aspect of it is pretty important too. We've been on

846
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: enough shoots together where we kind of know, not even verbally,

847
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: we don't really even have to say anything too often

848
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: to each other to know what needs to happen and

849
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: when and all the logistics of everything that goes into it. Yeah,

850
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: well it's been it's been a lot of fun. And

851
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: for me is a is a videographer, which certainly I

852
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: would I don't talk about a lot about like camera

853
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: gear or whatnot on this podcast, never have, but I'm

854
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: kind of a I'm a I'm an aspiring videographer and

855
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: some trying and learn as much as I can. But

856
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: a red camera, for those of you that wouldn't know

857
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 1: what this is in the in the film world with

858
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: people that are into film, A red cameras like iconic

859
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: of like the best. So it's a neat, neat piece

860
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: of equipment. You've got a Ronan gimbal they've been using

861
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: some Yeah, and it's important to say to I mean this,

862
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 1: I feel pretty lucky to be able to run a

863
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: camera like this. But it's not the gear that exactly,

864
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: it's nothing to do. I could have shot this film

865
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: on a camera that's much less one with that, right

866
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: is and still tell the story that we needed to tell.

867
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: But um, just you know, when you're when tools are

868
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: available to you, and you know, it's just like anything else,

869
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: you want to use the best thing that you can

870
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 1: to tell it. And sometimes this camera isn't. And that

871
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: that's a great that's a great point. Is that And

872
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,560
Speaker 1: I've learned that is that it is not because people

873
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: ask you all the time, what kind of cameras do

874
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: you what kind of cameras does shoot? What kind of

875
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: cameras do you shoot? And you want to say the

876
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: camera is not the limiting factor of your ability to

877
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: tell the story, you know. But but when you're but

878
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: it's good to have good equipment, but that's not the

879
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: limiting factor of how well, look at all your super

880
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: successful videos collide through bear Hunting magazine. Yeah, and look

881
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: how terrible the videography that where you're going with us

882
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: for it. I'll tell another squirrel story about you. Those

883
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: those those videos have really landed, you know, despite not

884
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: having a red camera. So forward to segue into something

885
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: totally different, as we're closing down here, as a conservation

886
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: director of First Light, tell me tell us what that means. Basically,

887
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: I work with our conservation partners are n GEO partners,

888
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: kind of nonprofit groups, to ensure that the First Light

889
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 1: is doing it's best to give back to sort of

890
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 1: the hunting tradition and the wild landscape that we based

891
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: our business on and that all our employees pass are

892
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: based on. You know, it's sort of twofold. They're selfish

893
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: and selfishly we're all hunters that that depend on wild

894
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: land and wild places, and and the folks we sell

895
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: gear to depend on wildlands and wild place wildlife and

896
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: wild places. So that means you're coordinating. Can you give

897
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: us an example? Ye? Yes, so I'm I work basically

898
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: with our four current partners and conservation quite a bit.

899
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: That would be back in three Hunters and Anglers, the

900
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: National Wildlife Federation, Pheasants Forever, and uh the Teddy Roosevelt

901
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:45,720
Speaker 1: Conservation Partnership in supporting them, uh sort of on several

902
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: fronts obviously giving um and in sort of donations that way,

903
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: but also I think, and I think what's frankly kind

904
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: of more important for a small company is education and

905
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: outreach for them, making sure that that we can help

906
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 1: them spread those messages that are so important via the

907
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: small channels we have, UM, you know, because obviously we're

908
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: never gonna donate as much as proper and gamble, but

909
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: if we can get people to call their senators or

910
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:22,960
Speaker 1: on important conservation legislation, or inform people about wildlife diseases

911
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be, I think I think that's

912
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: maybe our most important contribution, is our voice to to

913
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: a certain hunting demographic. Mm hmm. That's great. So is

914
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: that so your your roll inside of that is that

915
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: like an everyday thing at First Life for you? Okay?

916
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,879
Speaker 1: I mean that's like your primary because you're also doing

917
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: some marketing, several primaries, I suppose. UM. I also manage

918
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: all of our photo and video content, which is you know,

919
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: arguably why I'm on here with Jordan's UM. So that's producing,

920
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: putting together photo shoots, uh, dealing and working with photo

921
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: ambassadors with photographers, sending up video shoots. UM. You know,

922
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: kind of managing the myriad of ways that photo and

923
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: video come to First Light, and then helping to deploy

924
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: them via social via blogs on the website, on ads,

925
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: on you know, print ads whatever. So that's that's one silo.

926
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: And then I helped merchandise our website, so I put

927
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: together sort of how products displayed to customers that build

928
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: that out. I've managed copy um and pricing and and

929
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: help execute. Just think forward. You started out as an intern,

930
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: I was. I was first lights here. I think the

931
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,319
Speaker 1: first light is like a dream, like the like the dreammaker,

932
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 1: like this young this young chap from Maryland probably didn't

933
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: stand a chance anywhere else in the world. I went

934
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: to catch him outa hoo as an intern and ends

935
00:56:54,719 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: up as a conservation director marketing strategists, yeah, exact. And

936
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: then this young chap Minnesota boy who fishes on ice,

937
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: which is bizarre and crazy, lands as a pro staffer

938
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: on the first start first like crew, and then all

939
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden he's making he's making movies for him. Yeah. Yeah, wow,

940
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: we both got pretty lucky that way. I'd say, yeah, now,

941
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: but it isn't that the cool thing about uh up

942
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: and coming company? That's you know, thinking progressively. I mean, yeah,

943
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 1: it's pretty neat. It's pretty neat. I mean, honestly, with

944
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: sort of the recent addition of this conservation element to

945
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: my job. I mean, if you had asked the four

946
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: fourteen kind of what his ideal job was, it would

947
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: be pretty pretty sticking close to this one. Yeah, you

948
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: have a you have a really for you have a

949
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: pretty extensive background in wildlife through your car. I mean

950
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: you were ye, that was really right. That's where I

951
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: was going. I mean I went to college. I was

952
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: going to be a wild life biologist. I remember repeatedly

953
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: my mother is saying to me, well, you know, you

954
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: just you don't necessarily have to do what your major in.

955
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, you just never know what you're gonna do.

956
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: And I said, no, Mom, that doesn't matter. I'm never

957
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: going to stand out a desk and to be a

958
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: wildlife biologist. And uh so that's that's what my major was,

959
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: conservation biology. My thesis, which we've I've talked about probably

960
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: too much this week, was on black parry habitat requirements

961
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: in the in the Southeast. And I worked for the

962
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: Fishing Wildlife Service out of college and also for the

963
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: University of Delaware doing some deer trapping. So I was

964
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: fully down that path. And anyhow, I guess the long

965
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: the wraparound is that that's come, that's come kind of

966
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: full circle in this in this newest position here at

967
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: first like that's there at first laid I was. I

968
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: was really happy when I heard that you got that job.

969
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 1: That's that's incredible. You know, it is our connection. The

970
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: first time that I met you, you told me that

971
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: you had read all these research projects about Arkansas black

972
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: bear and you've done a study. And you were the

973
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 1: first person that I had met, aside from the Game

974
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: and Fish by the program coordinator for Arkansas Game and Fish,

975
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 1: the bear coordinator, that had ever read these thesis because

976
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: there were only there's only a handful of research that's

977
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: been done in Arkansas. And when I was in college,

978
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: my story was I was going to college for environmental,

979
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: soil and water science. Killed a bear on October one,

980
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: two thousand one, kind of became mesmerized by Arkansas black bear.

981
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: When I realized that I didn't know anything about this

982
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: animal I just killed. Went back to the University of

983
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 1: Arkansas and started and somehow found these research thesis of

984
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: all these students, and there were only two or three

985
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: official research studies at that time. And so I read

986
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 1: the same paper as you did. Oh, I mean there's

987
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: only there's not that many we did. We read the

988
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: same papers, and so, yeah, it was funny. When we

989
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: were talking to your dad the other day, he was actually,

990
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember how I said it exactly, but it's like, yeah,

991
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: Clayman went to the University Arkansas. He was studying bears.

992
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: He wasn't. He wasn't, I mean, he wasn't studying bears,

993
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: but I think he was studying bears. Yeah. Yeah, Well

994
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time, more time than I

995
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: should have been studying for the real thing I was

996
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: there at school for. But but no, no, I worked

997
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: out for it. I mean it worked. It's funny how

998
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: these things become your livelihood, even though they aren't necessarily

999
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: the you know, the the straight and narrow paths, or

1000
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: how they come up. I actually took a course in

1001
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: college in my senior year, uh called Adventure Writing and Filmmaking,

1002
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: and did a project on bare hounding uh in Vermont.

1003
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: While writing a thesis on black bear habit was really

1004
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: the year of the bear for me. While writing this

1005
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: thesis on black bear habitat requirements and uh. And it

1006
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: was funny because at the time that was such a

1007
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: one off class. I really liked it. I had already

1008
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: I've done quite a bit of writing, I was interested

1009
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: in writing. I hadn't done any filmmaking, and put it

1010
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: put together this film on black bear hunting. But it's

1011
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: funny how that of all things, that has become the

1012
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: one class that's directly relevant career and all the other

1013
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 1: studying though I think arguably indirectly relevant. Well, you got

1014
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: a lot of street cred here at the Global headquarters

1015
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: when I heard you made a barehound in the film.

1016
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,920
Speaker 1: You're probably the only person I ever got to talk

1017
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: to you about my thesis very often. That's why I

1018
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: talked to you about it too much. Yes, yes, you did.

1019
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. And then and then you have

1020
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: a similar story, Jordan, of just taking a chance starting

1021
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 1: a business. You've got a family, Taylor's got a family,

1022
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: and you use study graphic design but ended up pursuing

1023
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 1: a passion. I think that's the theme of of of

1024
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: everybody that's inside the outdoor industry, you know, is that

1025
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: just never in your passion, never counted out, and don't

1026
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: be afraid to stick your neck out there and make

1027
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: something happen. Yeah, yeah, you never know where you might

1028
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: end up. Well, guys, it's been a pleasure having you

1029
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: at the global headquarters. Jed is not in here, but

1030
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: he he probably will be as soon as you guys

1031
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: leave when we get that red camera on the floor.

1032
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 1: So he doesn't like market, you know. But uh now,

1033
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: thanks for being on the on the podcast and uh man,

1034
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: well uh any closing comments, closing thought, Okay, go through

1035
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: your list of first like this, this, this, this, and

1036
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: then like's saying not something nice about Arkansas, Jordans, go first,

1037
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: it's a small small game. Hunt's fun. It's just fun.

1038
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: Didn't that It's just yeah, like I said, I didn't

1039
01:02:57,880 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: know what to expect coming into it and opened my eyes. Yeah,

1040
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: they might have converted this. Uh this pure bred white

1041
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: tail hunter, pure bred gray lights white tail hunter. Go

1042
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: in there and stink up those deer woods man, you know,

1043
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 1: don't just at first at first? Uh yeah, thank you,

1044
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: thanks for showing us what you do and say you

1045
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 1: do it and it's awesome. Had a great yeah, oh yeah, man,

1046
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: it was. This is awesome. Especially coming off trade show season,

1047
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: the salty cynicism of trade show or consumer show season.

1048
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: Getting to come down here and do this is pretty fun. Ye. First,

1049
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: do not include having a squirrel jump on me. Yeah,

1050
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: that happened to me in the past. But oh, that

1051
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: wasn't the first. No, no, that happened to me. I

1052
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: had one jumping out of the rafters of a garage

1053
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: on I mean, that's that's what happened here. It was strange.

1054
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: It only happened once. But there was definitely this oh

1055
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,960
Speaker 1: this again feeling actually on one level when said squirrel

1056
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: jumped on my I've never seen one do that before. Yeah,

1057
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: you never know. First, definitely, they'll include squirrel hunting with

1058
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: mules and dogs. I mean the dogs. I guess we

1059
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: didn't talk about that, but man, the squirrel dog thing

1060
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,439
Speaker 1: is cool. It's really neat. I was. I was very

1061
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: into that, very into that. Um yeah, squirrel hunting with dogs,

1062
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: raccoon hunting in general, that was totally new. Honestly, the

1063
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: only thing I had to compared to is bear hunting

1064
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: with dogs. It's really not a lot like it. No, No,

1065
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: not not that similar, except for there they had the

1066
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: same structure. The vacu lie, yes, found that Yeah, um,

1067
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: but no, man, it was it was really neat and

1068
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: seeing these mountains and hanging out in this this uh

1069
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: this landscape. It was. It was really special. Yeah. Well,

1070
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: thanks a lot guys for coming down and uh, keep

1071
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the bears live. Good,

1072
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: I like you good good. That's my that's my that's

1073
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: my tag shirt that says that I never thought of it,

1074
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: never thought of it. Hey, it's on record of me

1075
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: saying I don't get a cut of that, well, as

1076
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 1: long as you give me a cut of the really

1077
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: not slop film. Not really what's that? Oh yeah yeah

1078
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 1: store