WEBVTT - A Nice Pod by the Lake 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:18.280 Hello, My name is Jason Cumcio and I'm Rosie Night, and. 0:00:18.280 --> 0:00:21.720 Welcome back to X ray Vision at our new home 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.680 for the podcast. This is the podcast where we're still 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:29.880 diving deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:34.040 We're coming to you now from iHeartRadio, where we will 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:36.959 be bringing you two episodes a week every Tuesday and Thursday, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:41.120 and we're starting with a giant sized episode celebrating Free 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:48.080 Comic Book Day with DC and indie comic giant James Tynan. 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:49.120 In today's episode. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.760 In the previously on we are talking about that wild 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.120 Deadpool and Wolverine trailer, which is. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.320 Gonna have us saying the word life out's feet. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.800 We're gonna have a new section called back Maha where 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:02.440 I'm explain what's Free Comic Book Day? Why are we 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:05.039 talking about it? Can you really get free comics? The 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:09.560 answer is yes. And we'll also be talking about Professor X, 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.840 that cheeky little man, that cheeky little. 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:20.720 Guy, sneaky Useing Bostard Charles, and of course Magneto and 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.680 his fate and all of those X Men things as 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:25.760 we catch up with X Men ninety seven weekly. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:27.600 Because of course, we have to do it come on? 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:35.800 Well, the long awaited project Deadpool and Wolverine, it has 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:39.880 met Sean Levy, It has a name, the third installment 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:44.280 in the Wild Deadpool series and the one that is 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.480 going to introduce a whole bunch of X characters to 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:51.640 our larger MCU framework. The trailer has dropped and it's 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:52.400 time to talk about it. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:02:00.280 Rosie Wow crazy, And they went fully into this kind 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.000 of thesis that they have, which seems to be that. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.800 You know, Deadpool has to recruit a version of Wolverine 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:07.640 from a different universe. 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.960 It seems where he let everyone down and they. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:15.400 All died, so it's logan esque, but in Logan he 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.840 dies obviously, and we get the classic blue and yellow costume. 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:20.799 We get the typical. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:27.000 Recruitment at a bar. It's very meta and referential. Of course, 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.360 we get some Deadpool humor with his branded gun. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:33.080 This looks like a lot of fun. 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.760 And obviously for comic book fans, there was a huge 0:02:36.720 --> 0:02:39.200 silly easter egg that we were all dying over, which 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.120 is the life Failed Feet Store. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.600 Oh god, that's that's the big one. 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:48.360 Because obviously everyone in comics history, who I have to say, 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:49.760 I'm a I disagree on this. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:51.680 But people used to rag on Rob Liifelf for not 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:53.600 having feet. But if you've actually. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.280 Read those old Rob Liefel comics, he was like an 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.280 abstract genius in his twenties. 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.280 Those comics are not supposed to look like. 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.799 Real anatomy feet antimal, but it is hilarious. 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.160 It is hilarious. Let me just first say it is 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.560 a little overblown. The thing about the feet is that 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:14.840 either one they're kind of not in the picture often, yes, 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:17.240 you look back at the old, original life old stuff, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:21.120 or the characters are so bulky and top heavy with 0:03:21.200 --> 0:03:27.360 all the muscles and cargo pouches on their uniforms that 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.200 it makes the feet look tiny in comparison. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.400 Yeah, like Bruce tim feet, you know, like, yeah, man, 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.320 the anime. It's serious figurines that you can never ever 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:36.400 ever stand up. 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.560 But the truth is, I think if you go back 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.840 and you look at like Depo's first appearance the New 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.080 Mutants ninety eight, which hilariously was like a dollobang comic 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.880 when we were growing up, but it's now obviously like 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.840 a very collectible comic, I actually think Lifefeld is like 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:51.840 a bit of an abstract genius like his Aye is 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.640 so strange and different, and I think that's part of 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.320 the reason that people completely fell for it in the nineties. 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:01.640 I think it's it's you touched on it. The thing 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:04.520 which is like his twenties, He was like nineteen, he 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:09.600 was a baby when he became a best selling comic artist, 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.680 superstar artist, and I think it's impossible to overstate what 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.159 a breath of fresh air he felt like at the time. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.760 And while it's easy to kind of mock his style 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:25.160 because it is so recognizable, it also felt like a 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:30.440 very necessary break with the past. At the time. It 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.440 felt like, Oh, this is new, this is like a 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.400 new energy in comics. Anyway, the easter egg that I 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:43.440 personally loved was the huge Hank Pym skull out of 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:47.560 which our characters come in one scene from the trailer 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:50.640 that appears to me to be a kind of reference 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.120 to Pim Falls, which is a detail from Old Man Logan, 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.720 the series which the movie Logan was adapted. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.159 Well, I was gonna say, I actually think we in 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:02.680 a meta kind of way. I think this actually might 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.920 be more of a close adaptation of Old Man Logan, 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:10.120 because Logan wasn't really that it was kind of a 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:14.680 complete it was take Logan, he's old, He's in the 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:16.400 post apocalypse, what do you do? 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:19.720 But this has some real nods towards it. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:21.800 I mean they talk about how Logan let down his 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.360 whole team, he let down the X Men. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.920 Obviously in Old Men, Logan he kills all of the. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:31.040 X Men with an because of RP and spoiler alert 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.440 for an old comic, because he is kind of tricked 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:38.120 by a magneto. And we also get some stuff here 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.440 that just looks like it could be more into that 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:46.560 wasteland space. We get the Red Skull car, which kind 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.480 of could hint that maybe the Red Skull has killed 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.960 the Avengers, which is another thing from Old Man Logan. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:57.839 So it's very interesting and it's just full of Easter eggs. 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:00.320 And I also think one of the biggest things is 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:03.000 everything we've seen from this movie has probably been from 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:04.039 like ten minutes. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:05.719 Of the movie. That's how it really. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.159 Feels, and that's how it always and I feel like 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.719 here it's extra obvious, and I think that's why for 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.719 some people I was really interested to see. Like for 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:16.080 some people, this trailer didn't hit whereas like in our 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:19.000 discord and in my kind of circles, everyone. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:19.480 Was like loving it. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.839 I did see for some people they were kind of like, oh, 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:23.680 you know, I'm not sure if this is for me. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.360 Sean Levy said, it's a no homework movie, so you 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.000 can just go in and enjoy it. Though obviously I 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.280 think it's funny when people say that because also I'm like, 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:33.520 Cassandra Nova is in this movie. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:37.719 Yea, it is clearly like a big part of the plot. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.760 Like you could argue that the amt Man head or 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.039 the Hank Pim head is also like that could be 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:46.719 from what because we saw the Giant Zombie and you know, 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:48.840 but we do get some other fun mutants here. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.160 We get to see Lady death Strike, probably Callisto. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:56.520 I think, so we're gonna see those Fox characters as Zazel's. 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:58.479 In there, and I do think that we were kind 0:06:58.480 --> 0:06:58.880 of right. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.000 Will see when the movie comes out, but we'd kind 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:04.200 of proposed this theory of our live show at like 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.840 Comic Con, that it was going to be Deadpool kills 0:07:06.880 --> 0:07:09.360 the Fox universe, and it does kind of seem like that, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.840 but it also seems like he's gonna have to save it. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.160 We also get dog Pool, which I loved, and they're 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.440 doing a lot of teleporting Doctor Strange's style. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.680 So basically it's completely bonkers and we'll have to wait 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:22.720 to see what happens. 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.320 Now, the question which we it feels like we asked 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.360 all the time on our old show, and I think 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.520 which is quite present with the release of this trailer, 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:36.400 is what does this mean for the X Men? How 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:41.360 do we get the X Men into the MCU? The 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:45.200 Time Variance Authority gives us one version where they're from 0:07:45.200 --> 0:07:47.720 an altered universe, but how do you how do you 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:49.560 think it happens? How do you think they do it? 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.520 So I think that the end of this movie will 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:55.120 probably be that all the Fox versions of the X 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.960 Men are dead, right? Will they be able to get 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.640 you know, Santa Stark to come back after a. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.320 Much maligned performance. I don't know. It depends how good 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:04.280 Sean Levy. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:07.480 Is a schmoozing, but I think that we'll end up 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.920 in a position where we can have entirely new X 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:15.240 Men and probably where like only Deadpool and Logan remember 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.640 that any of this ever happened. So the MCU is 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:23.480 basically a clean slate for a new generation of X Men, 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.880 which I do think will likely be similar to the 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.720 X Men ninety seven lineups that we've seen, because those 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:34.080 are reflected in those new X Men comics, which we 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.800 talked about on our X Men ninety seven episode. So 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:40.800 I do think this is gonna pave the way. But also, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.160 what do they do if it's a billion dollar movie 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:45.920 and they want to kind of continue both worlds? I 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:46.199 don't know. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:47.959 It's kind of a can they have their cake and 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:49.520 eat it scenario? What do you think? 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:51.000 Ah? 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:54.040 Well, I agree, I agree with us that this is 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.880 going to be some version of killing off the various 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:02.920 variants that are the five X Men universe. Then I 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:07.280 think there's gonna be some sort of singularity that brings Deadpool, 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.840 Wolverine and others into our universe. And the question is, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:17.320 then is there an off ramp for the illustrious mister 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:21.040 Hugh Jackman, who is playing Wolverine now for twenty years 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.960 for and while I think he is fantastic and obviously iconic, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:32.000 is the character we probably need somebody new and how 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:35.160 do you get him off? And I think that how 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:39.600 you get him off is how you introduce the other 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.040 X Men. Yeah, speaking of the X Men, let's just 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:47.800 talk a little bit about a joy in our life, right, 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:53.760 now X Men ninety seven on Disney Plus. We talked 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.839 about it at length in our preview episodes, and we 0:09:58.160 --> 0:10:01.760 have to keep talking about it because, Uh, it is 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:03.560 just going so hard. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:04.720 Yeah, I don't believe. 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:09.839 It's unbelievable. And to tie it back to our conversation 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:14.040 about Deadpool, I am kind of wondering how much X 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.839 Men ninety seven. To what degree X Men ninety seven 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:21.160 is like a stress test for certain storylines. I think 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.480 for the introduction of the X Men to the MCU, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:24.080 I think so. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.719 I think it's I think it's re upping people's recognition 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.760 of these characters and reminding them who they are. This 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.520 is their powers, this is the different team members, these 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:38.080 are the kind of law that has built them, and 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:41.720 also seeing how people respond to certain stuff. I wouldn't 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:45.960 be surprised if we got a reimagining of Genosha in 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.959 Them See You because of how hard episode five hit, 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:52.520 you know, I think that episode six, which was your 0:10:52.559 --> 0:10:55.000 cosmic Shia episode, which is what we've kind of been 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:56.080 theorizing they would do. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:57.720 I would love to see them do that. 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:00.640 But I also think that they probably should have switched 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.960 Life def Part two, which was your shear episode and 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.640 switched that with episode seven because I feel like episode 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:10.800 seven felt like a more obvious continuation of episode five, 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.480 and I think it would have kept people more engaged. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:15.760 So I think that Shear Stuff might be a little 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:16.319 further off. 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.560 I think that that didn't hit as hard for those 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.960 of us who maybe didn't already know about it, But 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.600 it has been fun to see people learn that Charles 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:26.600 Xavier kind of sucks some. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:33.480 Bad guy, and I'm like, babe, is Charles is Charles 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.560 a kind of a bad guy? Let me tell you. 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:40.080 And everyone's like, well, let us tell you. But yeah, 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.520 I think I loved seeing that she are stuff. But 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.080 I do think this is a stress test. I do 0:11:44.120 --> 0:11:46.480 think they're going to see how people deal with it. 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.959 I do think that after this series, Gambit is much 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.240 more likely to show up in these movies, which I 0:11:52.320 --> 0:11:55.040 kind of didn't really think would happen, but they did 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.200 good Gambit propaganda in this. I think we're definitely going 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.640 to get a version of the original five. I think 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.280 we're gonna get your Scott, your. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.319 Gene, your Wolverine. 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.200 But I think that if they're smart and they follow 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:10.000 what Bodomeo and the team did, they're definitely going to 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.120 play into the love triangle of it all. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.840 They need that, you need that, and you know. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.559 I would be interested to see them expand on Storm. 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.560 I think Storm hasn't been as central as I would 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:23.960 have made her in this series. But also I think 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.880 if your smart Storm is probably your entry point to 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.120 the X Men in the MCU. But yeah, I mean, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.920 it's just continues to deliver. I thought episode seven was 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.040 up there with the best episodes that they've done, and 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:40.240 it was just a total, you know, joy to see 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.280 these characters. And I mean, we just got a huge 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:46.079 introduction of a comic book character that a lot of 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:48.000 people have probably never even heard of in Bastion. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:49.040 Yeah. 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.880 I mean one of the another weird product of the 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:59.400 late nineties early two thousand's Bastion is a sentiententirely of 0:12:59.600 --> 0:13:04.840 vol machine Man yeah, who is at Killer. 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:07.760 Yeah, And it's this thing Operation zero Tolerance. So I 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:11.840 would be interested to see if we maybe get something 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:14.240 from that, Scott Lobdell, which is like I was surprised 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:16.120 to see them draw from this, but like Uncanny X 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:20.360 Men three f three, that kind of era of mutants 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.000 being a truly targeted population, and then that could set 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.079 up as we've always been asking how. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:27.320 Are mutants hated and feared? 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.040 And that's been one of the big questions in a 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.840 world where you have like Avengers, Action figures, how do 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.920 you have a time where mutants and superheroes are feared? 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:40.120 And I think that having something like Operation Zero Tolerance, 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.720 essentially like a militia group who want to kill mutants, 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.840 that's a good way to establish that. So it'll be 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.480 interesting to see if that comes through in the MCU. 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:50.280 I'm glad you brought that up because I think the 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:52.480 one thing that has been so effective about X Men 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.440 ninety seven when we say it's going hard and all 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.880 those things, and I think what that means is the 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:03.760 X Men are perfect anti hero in the Marvel mums, 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.679 which I didn't you know, as the X Men were 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:08.640 my favorite team, my favorite characters, so I always saw 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:12.760 them as heroes, flat out heroes. But within the larger MCU, 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.080 they're kind of they're not the bad guys, they're not 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:19.120 the good guys. They're outlaws. Certainly outlaws, I think is 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.640 the way to put it. That is the central tension 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.840 between the X Men and the Avengers in the Marvel Universe, 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.840 which is the Avengers are great, they're heroes, they're by 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.200 the book, they're the lawful ones, and they have a 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.120 lot of excuses about why they couldn't be there when 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:38.240 mutants were being wiped out, or they could they were 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.280 they didn't know about this government program that's actually working 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.760 on a weapon to destroy mutants, and the mutants are like, well, 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.880 then we're going to have to do things ourselves. And 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:52.440 I think that dynamic where you've got this group of 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.120 superpower people who are just like, well, we have to 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.960 protect ourselves and we have to do something about this 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.520 threat that we are under, and we're going to do something. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.280 Is It's such a great way to drive tension and 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.680 potentially generate anger at these characters in the world, fear 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.240 of them. And I hope that that is a thing 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:15.920 that they can capture because the X Men are a 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.080 diversity metaphor. They are a metaphor about out groups. They 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.120 are a metaphor about oppression, and that is central to 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:24.320 who they are. And if they could figure out a 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.120 way to capture that, that will be the thing that 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:28.760 injects new life into the MCU. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.200 And you can also, like you said, the diversity angle, 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.160 you can actually use it to like have that meta 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:38.040 critique and conversation about the conversations that people have been 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:39.040 having about these movies. 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.640 Yeah, the way that that the really fantastic. 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:44.000 Scott Pilgrim show, which we'll talk about in a different episode, 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.080 but that basically was in conversation with everyone who'd been 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.320 talking about the comics and the movies for like a 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:50.240 decade plus. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.840 And I think that the X Men could. 0:15:52.600 --> 0:15:56.160 Allow they could be the in characters for us saying 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:58.680 like whoaa, whoa wa, why would you work with the 0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:01.080 government if they're the ones who create at the sentinels, Like, 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.160 there's no compromise here. It's and especially in a world 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.120 where we are getting a TV show with X Men 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:11.040 ninety seven that essentially consistently says Magneo was right. 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.320 Again, hone, He's still alive. Wonderful. 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:32.480 Up next to our conversation with James Tynan, James Tynan 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.680 is the Eyes Are and Glad Award winning mastermind behind 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.120 The Nice House in the Lake, Something's Killing the Children, Batman, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:42.480 The Department of Truth, the Crazy Department of Truth, that 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.440 many many more. With the announcement of a sequel to 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.120 The Nice House in the Lake, The Nice House by 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:49.960 the Sea. We're incredibly excited to have James Makers X 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.680 Ray Vision debut on our comeback episode. James, thank you 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:53.680 so much for joining us. 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.080 Thank you so much for having me. I'm really really 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:56.840 happy to be here. 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.840 Yeah, it's gonna be a delightful We're so happy you 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.960 could join us. So when we have folks on the show, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.520 we often begin by just asking them kind of like 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.040 it's a big question for people like us, but what's 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.520 your comic book origin story? Like, what was the comic 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:13.840 that made you fall in love with comics? What was 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.119 the moment when you thought, oh, this is something I 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.800 want to do, or what's just a comic that kind 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:19.720 of sparked your love. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.439 So it's honestly kind of of the moment right now 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.679 now that we're in the heyday of X Men ninety seven. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.679 But the first comic I ever remember picking up in 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:34.200 a comic book shop was an issue of X Men Adventures, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.639 the comic book tie in series two, the animated series, 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:41.440 when I must have been about five or six years old. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:42.080 Wow, And. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.800 I remember picking it up and it was a Mojo issue, 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:53.320 a very bizarre entry point into the X Men franchise, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:57.520 but it made me like I was. I was dragged 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.200 in you know, the both the X Men animated series 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.639 in the Batman animated series were the things that pulled 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.200 me into an interest in superheroes, which then pulled me 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:09.920 into a comic shop and then made me a fan 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.680 of the medium, and then I've been here ever since. 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.359 What was it like to then, I mean, I'm gonna 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.639 go with skipping forward a little bit here, but like 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.199 you mentioned Batman the animated series, So what was it 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.879 like to then get to write Batman after that being 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:24.200 one of your entry points? 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:31.159 Incredibly intimidating, Like just the most wildly intimidating thing. My 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.960 career started a little unusually where I had been the 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:40.280 writing assistant to Scott Snyder when he before he had 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.479 actually started writing comic books. It was when he had 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.359 been my professor at Sarah Lawrence College, and I was 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.320 helping him do research for a novel that he had 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.480 been working on. But I was a big comic book eek. 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.600 So once he actually started talking to you know, DC 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.000 and Marvel and started getting work through them, he eventually 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:01.879 like was like, Hey, they just asked me if I 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.320 could do backup stories on this thing, would you be 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:08.399 willing to co write them with me, and I was like, yes, absolutely, peace. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:11.280 But it was like the early on, I was like 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.240 I'm not allowed to write Batman, like I will write 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.480 any supporting character in all of that. But there was 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.080 an annual that we wrote together, This would have been 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:24.320 in twenty twelve that like I was just like, I 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:26.680 will write all of the Mister Freeze bits, I will 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.000 write everything else, but you actually have to write the 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:32.280 dialogue for Batman because I'm not allowed to do that yet. 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:35.679 And Scott had to very patiently like get me on 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:37.919 the phone and just be like, James, I brought you 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:41.240 on because my schedule's insane right now, and I really 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.679 really need you to write the Batman bits as well, 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.879 like that is part of the assignment. And I just 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:50.639 like I had like a panic attack, and then I 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.760 just had to sort of center myself and sort of 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.280 you know, find the voice of Batman and me, which 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:58.240 was the voice of Kevin Conroy. So it was the 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:00.800 you know, I was able to sort of channel the 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:03.960 voice of Batman that really spoke to me and then 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:07.359 try to bring it to life on the page. And yeah, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:11.760 but very intimidating, very very intimidating to walk into Gotham 0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:12.800 City for the first time. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.080 I mean, speaking of voice, I mean we have to 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:19.080 talk about the Nice House on the Lake, which I 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.880 think we've just been gushing about Rosie and I It's 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.560 so good. I mean reading it, you're like, oh, this 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.440 is going to be one of those classic graphic novels 0:20:30.480 --> 0:20:34.359 that even people who don't collect comics or aren't at 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:36.639 the comic shop on a weekly basis, will have like 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.399 on their bookshelf next to like Sandman and Watchmen, et cetera. 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.120 It's so great and one of the you talking about voices, 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:46.639 one of the things that stands out for me writing 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:50.880 is your ability to capture the voices of your characters 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:53.320 and make them feel so visort of and real. And 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.040 Nice House in the Lake is an incredible example of that. 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.480 How do you generate that? How do you how do 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.560 you find the voices of all of those characters, specifically 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:06.880 in Nice House and the Lake, in order to make 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:10.359 that story feel so emotionally powerful. 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:13.760 I mean, so Nice House is a very personal comic 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:17.400 to me. It's something that you know, I think when 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:19.520