1 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: Hello, My name is Jason Cumcio and I'm Rosie Night, and. 2 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: Welcome back to X ray Vision at our new home 3 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: for the podcast. This is the podcast where we're still 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: diving deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture. 5 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: We're coming to you now from iHeartRadio, where we will 6 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 2: be bringing you two episodes a week every Tuesday and Thursday, 7 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: and we're starting with a giant sized episode celebrating Free 8 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 2: Comic Book Day with DC and indie comic giant James Tynan. 9 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: In today's episode. 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: In the previously on we are talking about that wild 11 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: Deadpool and Wolverine trailer, which is. 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: Gonna have us saying the word life out's feet. 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: We're gonna have a new section called back Maha where 14 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: I'm explain what's Free Comic Book Day? Why are we 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: talking about it? Can you really get free comics? The 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 3: answer is yes. And we'll also be talking about Professor X, 17 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: that cheeky little man, that cheeky little. 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 4: Guy, sneaky Useing Bostard Charles, and of course Magneto and 19 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 4: his fate and all of those X Men things as 20 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 4: we catch up with X Men ninety seven weekly. 21 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: Because of course, we have to do it come on? 22 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: Well, the long awaited project Deadpool and Wolverine, it has 23 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 2: met Sean Levy, It has a name, the third installment 24 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 2: in the Wild Deadpool series and the one that is 25 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: going to introduce a whole bunch of X characters to 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: our larger MCU framework. The trailer has dropped and it's 27 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: time to talk about it. 28 00:01:52,480 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 5: Rosie Wow crazy, And they went fully into this kind 29 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 5: of thesis that they have, which seems to be that. 30 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: You know, Deadpool has to recruit a version of Wolverine 31 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: from a different universe. 32 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: It seems where he let everyone down and they. 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 3: All died, so it's logan esque, but in Logan he 34 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: dies obviously, and we get the classic blue and yellow costume. 35 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,799 Speaker 1: We get the typical. 36 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: Recruitment at a bar. It's very meta and referential. Of course, 37 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 3: we get some Deadpool humor with his branded gun. 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: This looks like a lot of fun. 39 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: And obviously for comic book fans, there was a huge 40 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: silly easter egg that we were all dying over, which 41 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 3: is the life Failed Feet Store. 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: Oh god, that's that's the big one. 43 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: Because obviously everyone in comics history, who I have to say, 44 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: I'm a I disagree on this. 45 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: But people used to rag on Rob Liifelf for not 46 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 1: having feet. But if you've actually. 47 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: Read those old Rob Liefel comics, he was like an 48 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: abstract genius in his twenties. 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: Those comics are not supposed to look like. 50 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 3: Real anatomy feet antimal, but it is hilarious. 51 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: It is hilarious. Let me just first say it is 52 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: a little overblown. The thing about the feet is that 53 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: either one they're kind of not in the picture often, yes, 54 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: you look back at the old, original life old stuff, 55 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: or the characters are so bulky and top heavy with 56 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 2: all the muscles and cargo pouches on their uniforms that 57 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 2: it makes the feet look tiny in comparison. 58 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, like Bruce tim feet, you know, like, yeah, man, 59 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: the anime. It's serious figurines that you can never ever 60 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: ever stand up. 61 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: But the truth is, I think if you go back 62 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 3: and you look at like Depo's first appearance the New 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: Mutants ninety eight, which hilariously was like a dollobang comic 64 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 3: when we were growing up, but it's now obviously like 65 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: a very collectible comic, I actually think Lifefeld is like 66 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: a bit of an abstract genius like his Aye is 67 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: so strange and different, and I think that's part of 68 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: the reason that people completely fell for it in the nineties. 69 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: I think it's it's you touched on it. The thing 70 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: which is like his twenties, He was like nineteen, he 71 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: was a baby when he became a best selling comic artist, 72 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: superstar artist, and I think it's impossible to overstate what 73 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 2: a breath of fresh air he felt like at the time. 74 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: And while it's easy to kind of mock his style 75 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: because it is so recognizable, it also felt like a 76 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: very necessary break with the past. At the time. It 77 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: felt like, Oh, this is new, this is like a 78 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: new energy in comics. Anyway, the easter egg that I 79 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: personally loved was the huge Hank Pym skull out of 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: which our characters come in one scene from the trailer 81 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 2: that appears to me to be a kind of reference 82 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: to Pim Falls, which is a detail from Old Man Logan, 83 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: the series which the movie Logan was adapted. 84 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 3: Well, I was gonna say, I actually think we in 85 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: a meta kind of way. I think this actually might 86 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 3: be more of a close adaptation of Old Man Logan, 87 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: because Logan wasn't really that it was kind of a 88 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: complete it was take Logan, he's old, He's in the 89 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 3: post apocalypse, what do you do? 90 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: But this has some real nods towards it. 91 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 3: I mean they talk about how Logan let down his 92 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: whole team, he let down the X Men. 93 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: Obviously in Old Men, Logan he kills all of the. 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 3: X Men with an because of RP and spoiler alert 95 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 3: for an old comic, because he is kind of tricked 96 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: by a magneto. And we also get some stuff here 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: that just looks like it could be more into that 98 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 3: wasteland space. We get the Red Skull car, which kind 99 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: of could hint that maybe the Red Skull has killed 100 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: the Avengers, which is another thing from Old Man Logan. 101 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,839 Speaker 3: So it's very interesting and it's just full of Easter eggs. 102 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: And I also think one of the biggest things is 103 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: everything we've seen from this movie has probably been from 104 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,039 Speaker 3: like ten minutes. 105 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: Of the movie. That's how it really. 106 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: Feels, and that's how it always and I feel like 107 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: here it's extra obvious, and I think that's why for 108 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,719 Speaker 3: some people I was really interested to see. Like for 109 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 3: some people, this trailer didn't hit whereas like in our 110 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 3: discord and in my kind of circles, everyone. 111 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: Was like loving it. 112 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 3: I did see for some people they were kind of like, oh, 113 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure if this is for me. 114 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: Sean Levy said, it's a no homework movie, so you 115 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 3: can just go in and enjoy it. Though obviously I 116 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: think it's funny when people say that because also I'm like, 117 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 3: Cassandra Nova is in this movie. 118 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 2: Yea, it is clearly like a big part of the plot. 119 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: Like you could argue that the amt Man head or 120 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 3: the Hank Pim head is also like that could be 121 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 3: from what because we saw the Giant Zombie and you know, 122 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 3: but we do get some other fun mutants here. 123 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: We get to see Lady death Strike, probably Callisto. 124 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: I think, so we're gonna see those Fox characters as Zazel's. 125 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: In there, and I do think that we were kind 126 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: of right. 127 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: Will see when the movie comes out, but we'd kind 128 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 3: of proposed this theory of our live show at like 129 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: Comic Con, that it was going to be Deadpool kills 130 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 3: the Fox universe, and it does kind of seem like that, 131 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: but it also seems like he's gonna have to save it. 132 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: We also get dog Pool, which I loved, and they're 133 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: doing a lot of teleporting Doctor Strange's style. 134 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: So basically it's completely bonkers and we'll have to wait 135 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: to see what happens. 136 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: Now, the question which we it feels like we asked 137 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 2: all the time on our old show, and I think 138 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: which is quite present with the release of this trailer, 139 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: is what does this mean for the X Men? How 140 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: do we get the X Men into the MCU? The 141 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 2: Time Variance Authority gives us one version where they're from 142 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: an altered universe, but how do you how do you 143 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 2: think it happens? How do you think they do it? 144 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 3: So I think that the end of this movie will 145 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: probably be that all the Fox versions of the X 146 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: Men are dead, right? Will they be able to get 147 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: you know, Santa Stark to come back after a. 148 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: Much maligned performance. I don't know. It depends how good 149 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: Sean Levy. 150 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 3: Is a schmoozing, but I think that we'll end up 151 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: in a position where we can have entirely new X 152 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 3: Men and probably where like only Deadpool and Logan remember 153 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: that any of this ever happened. So the MCU is 154 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 3: basically a clean slate for a new generation of X Men, 155 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: which I do think will likely be similar to the 156 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: X Men ninety seven lineups that we've seen, because those 157 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 3: are reflected in those new X Men comics, which we 158 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 3: talked about on our X Men ninety seven episode. So 159 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 3: I do think this is gonna pave the way. But also, 160 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 3: what do they do if it's a billion dollar movie 161 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 3: and they want to kind of continue both worlds? I 162 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 3: don't know. 163 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 1: It's kind of a can they have their cake and 164 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: eat it scenario? What do you think? 165 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: Ah? 166 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 2: Well, I agree, I agree with us that this is 167 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: going to be some version of killing off the various 168 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: variants that are the five X Men universe. Then I 169 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: think there's gonna be some sort of singularity that brings Deadpool, 170 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: Wolverine and others into our universe. And the question is, 171 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: then is there an off ramp for the illustrious mister 172 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: Hugh Jackman, who is playing Wolverine now for twenty years 173 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: for and while I think he is fantastic and obviously iconic, 174 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: is the character we probably need somebody new and how 175 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: do you get him off? And I think that how 176 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: you get him off is how you introduce the other 177 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: X Men. Yeah, speaking of the X Men, let's just 178 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about a joy in our life, right, 179 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: now X Men ninety seven on Disney Plus. We talked 180 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 2: about it at length in our preview episodes, and we 181 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 2: have to keep talking about it because, Uh, it is 182 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: just going so hard. 183 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe. 184 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable. And to tie it back to our conversation 185 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 2: about Deadpool, I am kind of wondering how much X 186 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 2: Men ninety seven. To what degree X Men ninety seven 187 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: is like a stress test for certain storylines. I think 188 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 2: for the introduction of the X Men to the MCU, 189 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 2: I think so. 190 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's re upping people's recognition 191 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: of these characters and reminding them who they are. This 192 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 3: is their powers, this is the different team members, these 193 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: are the kind of law that has built them, and 194 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: also seeing how people respond to certain stuff. I wouldn't 195 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: be surprised if we got a reimagining of Genosha in 196 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 3: Them See You because of how hard episode five hit, 197 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: you know, I think that episode six, which was your 198 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: cosmic Shia episode, which is what we've kind of been 199 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 3: theorizing they would do. 200 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: I would love to see them do that. 201 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: But I also think that they probably should have switched 202 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 3: Life def Part two, which was your shear episode and 203 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 3: switched that with episode seven because I feel like episode 204 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 3: seven felt like a more obvious continuation of episode five, 205 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: and I think it would have kept people more engaged. 206 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: So I think that Shear Stuff might be a little 207 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 1: further off. 208 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 3: I think that that didn't hit as hard for those 209 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 3: of us who maybe didn't already know about it, But 210 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: it has been fun to see people learn that Charles 211 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: Xavier kind of sucks some. 212 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: Bad guy, and I'm like, babe, is Charles is Charles 213 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: a kind of a bad guy? Let me tell you. 214 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: And everyone's like, well, let us tell you. But yeah, 215 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: I think I loved seeing that she are stuff. But 216 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: I do think this is a stress test. I do 217 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 3: think they're going to see how people deal with it. 218 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 3: I do think that after this series, Gambit is much 219 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: more likely to show up in these movies, which I 220 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: kind of didn't really think would happen, but they did 221 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: good Gambit propaganda in this. I think we're definitely going 222 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 3: to get a version of the original five. I think 223 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: we're gonna get your Scott, your. 224 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,319 Speaker 1: Gene, your Wolverine. 225 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: But I think that if they're smart and they follow 226 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 3: what Bodomeo and the team did, they're definitely going to 227 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 3: play into the love triangle of it all. 228 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: They need that, you need that, and you know. 229 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 3: I would be interested to see them expand on Storm. 230 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 3: I think Storm hasn't been as central as I would 231 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 3: have made her in this series. But also I think 232 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 3: if your smart Storm is probably your entry point to 233 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: the X Men in the MCU. But yeah, I mean, 234 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 3: it's just continues to deliver. I thought episode seven was 235 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 3: up there with the best episodes that they've done, and 236 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 3: it was just a total, you know, joy to see 237 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 3: these characters. And I mean, we just got a huge 238 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,079 Speaker 3: introduction of a comic book character that a lot of 239 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: people have probably never even heard of in Bastion. 240 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 6: Yeah. 241 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: I mean one of the another weird product of the 242 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: late nineties early two thousand's Bastion is a sentiententirely of 243 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: vol machine Man yeah, who is at Killer. 244 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's this thing Operation zero Tolerance. So I 245 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: would be interested to see if we maybe get something 246 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: from that, Scott Lobdell, which is like I was surprised 247 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 3: to see them draw from this, but like Uncanny X 248 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: Men three f three, that kind of era of mutants 249 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: being a truly targeted population, and then that could set 250 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 3: up as we've always been asking how. 251 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: Are mutants hated and feared? 252 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 3: And that's been one of the big questions in a 253 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 3: world where you have like Avengers, Action figures, how do 254 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: you have a time where mutants and superheroes are feared? 255 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: And I think that having something like Operation Zero Tolerance, 256 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: essentially like a militia group who want to kill mutants, 257 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: that's a good way to establish that. So it'll be 258 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: interesting to see if that comes through in the MCU. 259 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up because I think the 260 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 2: one thing that has been so effective about X Men 261 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: ninety seven when we say it's going hard and all 262 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: those things, and I think what that means is the 263 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: X Men are perfect anti hero in the Marvel mums, 264 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 2: which I didn't you know, as the X Men were 265 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 2: my favorite team, my favorite characters, so I always saw 266 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: them as heroes, flat out heroes. But within the larger MCU, 267 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 2: they're kind of they're not the bad guys, they're not 268 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 2: the good guys. They're outlaws. Certainly outlaws, I think is 269 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 2: the way to put it. That is the central tension 270 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: between the X Men and the Avengers in the Marvel Universe, 271 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: which is the Avengers are great, they're heroes, they're by 272 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 2: the book, they're the lawful ones, and they have a 273 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: lot of excuses about why they couldn't be there when 274 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 2: mutants were being wiped out, or they could they were 275 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: they didn't know about this government program that's actually working 276 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: on a weapon to destroy mutants, and the mutants are like, well, 277 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: then we're going to have to do things ourselves. And 278 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 2: I think that dynamic where you've got this group of 279 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 2: superpower people who are just like, well, we have to 280 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: protect ourselves and we have to do something about this 281 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: threat that we are under, and we're going to do something. 282 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: Is It's such a great way to drive tension and 283 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: potentially generate anger at these characters in the world, fear 284 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: of them. And I hope that that is a thing 285 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: that they can capture because the X Men are a 286 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 2: diversity metaphor. They are a metaphor about out groups. They 287 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: are a metaphor about oppression, and that is central to 288 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: who they are. And if they could figure out a 289 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: way to capture that, that will be the thing that 290 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 2: injects new life into the MCU. 291 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: And you can also, like you said, the diversity angle, 292 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 3: you can actually use it to like have that meta 293 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: critique and conversation about the conversations that people have been 294 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 3: having about these movies. 295 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, the way that that the really fantastic. 296 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: Scott Pilgrim show, which we'll talk about in a different episode, 297 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: but that basically was in conversation with everyone who'd been 298 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: talking about the comics and the movies for like a 299 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 3: decade plus. 300 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: And I think that the X Men could. 301 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: Allow they could be the in characters for us saying 302 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 3: like whoaa, whoa wa, why would you work with the 303 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: government if they're the ones who create at the sentinels, Like, 304 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: there's no compromise here. It's and especially in a world 305 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: where we are getting a TV show with X Men 306 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: ninety seven that essentially consistently says Magneo was right. 307 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: Again, hone, He's still alive. Wonderful. 308 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: Up next to our conversation with James Tynan, James Tynan 309 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: is the Eyes Are and Glad Award winning mastermind behind 310 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: The Nice House in the Lake, Something's Killing the Children, Batman, 311 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: The Department of Truth, the Crazy Department of Truth, that 312 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: many many more. With the announcement of a sequel to 313 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: The Nice House in the Lake, The Nice House by 314 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: the Sea. We're incredibly excited to have James Makers X 315 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 2: Ray Vision debut on our comeback episode. James, thank you 316 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: so much for joining us. 317 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me. I'm really really 318 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 6: happy to be here. 319 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a delightful We're so happy you 320 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 3: could join us. So when we have folks on the show, 321 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 3: we often begin by just asking them kind of like 322 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: it's a big question for people like us, but what's 323 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 3: your comic book origin story? Like, what was the comic 324 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: that made you fall in love with comics? What was 325 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: the moment when you thought, oh, this is something I 326 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 3: want to do, or what's just a comic that kind 327 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 3: of sparked your love. 328 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 6: So it's honestly kind of of the moment right now 329 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 6: now that we're in the heyday of X Men ninety seven. 330 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 6: But the first comic I ever remember picking up in 331 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 6: a comic book shop was an issue of X Men Adventures, 332 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 6: the comic book tie in series two, the animated series, 333 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 6: when I must have been about five or six years old. 334 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 5: Wow, And. 335 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 6: I remember picking it up and it was a Mojo issue, 336 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 6: a very bizarre entry point into the X Men franchise, 337 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 6: but it made me like I was. I was dragged 338 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 6: in you know, the both the X Men animated series 339 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 6: in the Batman animated series were the things that pulled 340 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 6: me into an interest in superheroes, which then pulled me 341 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 6: into a comic shop and then made me a fan 342 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 6: of the medium, and then I've been here ever since. 343 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: What was it like to then, I mean, I'm gonna 344 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 3: go with skipping forward a little bit here, but like 345 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 3: you mentioned Batman the animated series, So what was it 346 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 3: like to then get to write Batman after that being 347 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 3: one of your entry points? 348 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 6: Incredibly intimidating, Like just the most wildly intimidating thing. My 349 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 6: career started a little unusually where I had been the 350 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 6: writing assistant to Scott Snyder when he before he had 351 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 6: actually started writing comic books. It was when he had 352 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 6: been my professor at Sarah Lawrence College, and I was 353 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 6: helping him do research for a novel that he had 354 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 6: been working on. But I was a big comic book eek. 355 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 6: So once he actually started talking to you know, DC 356 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 6: and Marvel and started getting work through them, he eventually 357 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 6: like was like, Hey, they just asked me if I 358 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 6: could do backup stories on this thing, would you be 359 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 6: willing to co write them with me, and I was like, yes, absolutely, peace. 360 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 6: But it was like the early on, I was like 361 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 6: I'm not allowed to write Batman, like I will write 362 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 6: any supporting character in all of that. But there was 363 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 6: an annual that we wrote together, This would have been 364 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 6: in twenty twelve that like I was just like, I 365 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 6: will write all of the Mister Freeze bits, I will 366 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 6: write everything else, but you actually have to write the 367 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 6: dialogue for Batman because I'm not allowed to do that yet. 368 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 6: And Scott had to very patiently like get me on 369 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 6: the phone and just be like, James, I brought you 370 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 6: on because my schedule's insane right now, and I really 371 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 6: really need you to write the Batman bits as well, 372 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 6: like that is part of the assignment. And I just 373 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 6: like I had like a panic attack, and then I 374 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 6: just had to sort of center myself and sort of 375 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 6: you know, find the voice of Batman and me, which 376 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 6: was the voice of Kevin Conroy. So it was the 377 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 6: you know, I was able to sort of channel the 378 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 6: voice of Batman that really spoke to me and then 379 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 6: try to bring it to life on the page. And yeah, 380 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 6: but very intimidating, very very intimidating to walk into Gotham 381 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 6: City for the first time. 382 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: I mean, speaking of voice, I mean we have to 383 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: talk about the Nice House on the Lake, which I 384 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: think we've just been gushing about Rosie and I It's 385 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: so good. I mean reading it, you're like, oh, this 386 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: is going to be one of those classic graphic novels 387 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 2: that even people who don't collect comics or aren't at 388 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 2: the comic shop on a weekly basis, will have like 389 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: on their bookshelf next to like Sandman and Watchmen, et cetera. 390 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 2: It's so great and one of the you talking about voices, 391 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 2: one of the things that stands out for me writing 392 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 2: is your ability to capture the voices of your characters 393 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: and make them feel so visort of and real. And 394 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: Nice House in the Lake is an incredible example of that. 395 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: How do you generate that? How do you how do 396 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: you find the voices of all of those characters, specifically 397 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 2: in Nice House and the Lake, in order to make 398 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: that story feel so emotionally powerful. 399 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 6: I mean, so Nice House is a very personal comic 400 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 6: to me. It's something that you know, I think when 401 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 6: people look at a picture of me or see me, 402 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 6: they can kind of see that there's a little bit 403 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 6: of Walter in me just keep generally speaking, and the 404 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 6: character is very much based on me in my voice 405 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 6: and how I interact with the world, and a lot 406 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 6: of the characters that are around Walter in the house, 407 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 6: there are sort of hybrids of a few of my 408 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 6: friends that have sort of like you know, blended together, 409 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 6: as you know, and then changed to fit into a 410 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 6: fictional universe. But it is something where it's like I 411 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 6: already always have a kind of true north of like 412 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 6: what I'm trying to accomplish with these characters and like, 413 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 6: and then on top of that, I have a real 414 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 6: sense of the like the emotional relationships between all of 415 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,239 Speaker 6: the characters and their dynamics. Like I wanted to in 416 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 6: building out that house, I wanted to make sure we 417 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 6: had a real blend of personalities because otherwise you have 418 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 6: you do like, you can't do a an eleven person 419 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 6: cast when every every character sounds exactly the same. And 420 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 6: then on top of that, that's just not all that interesting. 421 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 6: As a writer, you want to have characters who are 422 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 6: going to react very differently in different situations and sort 423 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 6: of being able to lean into those specific voices and 424 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 6: try to capture something real, Like that's the you know, 425 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 6: that's the joy of being a writer. It's like, this 426 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 6: is the book that I try to make the real 427 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 6: like honestly the realist of any of the books that 428 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 6: I do. Uh, it's you know, it's the book Like 429 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 6: I've said this before, but it's like it's the book 430 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 6: that I write to scare my therapist. Like yeah, like 431 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 6: there's a joy in trying to scare your therapist and 432 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 6: a book that you're doing. 433 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: Oh so, how do you come to DC Comics right 434 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 3: and say, Hey, so I want to do a book 435 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: that's not superheroes, that is going to not be tied 436 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 3: to your universe, and I want it to scare my therapist. 437 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: And also it is an apocalypse book and it's an 438 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 3: alien book. But most of it just takes place in 439 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: a house, and there's a lot of talking like what 440 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 3: is the pitch like? Because it seems like it's a 441 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: hard sell, even though once you and Alvaro are like 442 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: working on it, it's so readable, it's so engaging. 443 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: How did this How did it come about? That ended 444 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: up at DC? 445 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 6: So, I mean, you know, it always started with that 446 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 6: kind of the core conceit it's just like that, you 447 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 6: have this dynamic friend who invites ten of ten of 448 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 6: his closest friends to a house on a lake for 449 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 6: a nice, fun weekend over summer, and then once they 450 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 6: get there, they realize that it's the end of the 451 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 6: world outside, that they're never leaving that house, and that 452 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 6: their friend is actually a part of some non human 453 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 6: form of being that has trapped them there and is 454 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 6: involved with the entire destruction of humanity in the apocalypse 455 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 6: outside of it. Like that was in the original one 456 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 6: page pitch, and it was a description of the first issue, 457 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 6: even though it would be about two or three years 458 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 6: until I wrote it. And honestly, when I pitched it 459 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 6: the first time, it was at a moment where I 460 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 6: wasn't sure what the future of Creator Owned at DC 461 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 6: was going to look. Like it was sort of the 462 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 6: start of DC Black Label, and they had kind of 463 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 6: wound down the Vertigo imprint over there, and you know, 464 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 6: but like I was exclusive at DC, so like contractually 465 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 6: I needed to like pass things along. But the other 466 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 6: thing before I was i'd be able to take them 467 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 6: out of house. But the you know, the thing that 468 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 6: had changed is that the editor who had originally paired 469 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 6: Olvaro and myself together on Batman Eternal and then Detective Comics, 470 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 6: and then that all leading into our work on Justice 471 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 6: League Dark. You know, was it was suddenly the person 472 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 6: you know, making the decisions over at at DC Black Label, 473 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 6: and he really really loved the book. And then around 474 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 6: that time, it was also when I launched my my 475 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 6: Boom series Something Is Killing the Children, which really sort 476 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 6: of set off a new chapter in my career. And 477 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 6: you know, I remember, like I remember sitting with uh, 478 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 6: you know, the publisher of d C at the time, 479 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 6: and he was just like, you know, I want you 480 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,159 Speaker 6: to bring that kind of horror energy that you're bringing 481 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 6: over there to d C. And I'm like, you have 482 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 6: a bitch. And then we got it up and running 483 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 6: and you know, and thankfully, and d C has been 484 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 6: an incredibly good steward for this book, and you know, 485 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 6: it's an incredible honor, like the you know that it's 486 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 6: I'm I'm incredibly incredibly happy with it. I don't know. 487 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 2: Just what, right, Yeah, the second cycle to The Nice 488 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 2: House in the Lake is coming out this summer. What 489 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: if anything can you tell us? 490 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 6: I mean, at core, like the Nice House saga in 491 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 6: general is defined by its mysteries and its twists and 492 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 6: its turns. So you know what we're saying, like right 493 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 6: out the gate, like you know, yes, we're we're introducing 494 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 6: a new house. Yes, there's a whole bunch of new characters. 495 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 6: And how does this connect to everything that you've known 496 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 6: and loved from the first cycle. You're going to have 497 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 6: to read the book like it is the you know 498 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 6: that is uh, that's sort of what I'm laying out there, 499 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 6: but it is just like it Like one thing that 500 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 6: was very something that I really wanted to tap into 501 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 6: is the first cycle deals with basically a friend group 502 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 6: coming together in a house and the dynamics and the 503 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 6: tensions that come from people who have known each other 504 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 6: decades in some case, and then some of them have 505 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 6: only known each other for like they may have been 506 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 6: to five parties together ever. But it's just like, and 507 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 6: how did those dynamics when they all center around one 508 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 6: person who is then no longer really there to be 509 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 6: the center of the that experience? The you know, that 510 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 6: was sort of what drove me in that first volume. 511 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 6: For this volume, I wanted to come at it from 512 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 6: the exact opposite angle where we are now seeing kind 513 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 6: of the ideal version of what Walter was supposed to 514 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 6: do with his house. He was supposed to go out 515 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,439 Speaker 6: there and find ten of the most exceptional people in 516 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 6: each of their fields and then put them all in 517 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 6: a house together. But the issue is is that once 518 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 6: you put ten people who do not know each other, 519 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 6: that are all like, very prominent in their individual fields 520 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 6: and all that, and you throw them in a house together, 521 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 6: there is no guarantee that those people are going to 522 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 6: like each other. In fact, it's most likely that they're 523 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 6: not going to And so we're going to kind of 524 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 6: be able to see the ways in which Walter may 525 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 6: have been right in how he built his house the 526 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 6: first time. And that is the hint at some of 527 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 6: the stuff that's coming in the series. 528 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 3: I love that, and obviously like a big part of 529 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 3: the first cycle is this kind of unbelievable the way 530 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: Alvarro would bring the house to life, right the chitet 531 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 3: troll beauty of the house and the location, and also 532 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 3: these kind of incredible double page spreads that have a 533 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 3: hyper amount of panels but not a lot of action. 534 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: So could you sort of talk tease. 535 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 3: A little bit of how Alvro's work is going to 536 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 3: kind of expand or play into that in the new cycle. 537 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 6: Honestly, the development process of both series was so fun 538 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 6: because there's a whole part of it where we're just 539 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 6: sending each other Zillow listings like these beautiful elaborate. 540 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 1: Homes millennial friendship. I lived it. 541 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 6: It was like, honestly, the you know it was it 542 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 6: set some goals you know, long off in the future, 543 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 6: but the you know, but this time around. Initially, what 544 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 6: I was thinking when I originally pitched out a nice 545 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 6: house by the sea, I was sort of picture picturing 546 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 6: a kind of Caribbean esthetic that sort of like beach 547 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 6: house vibe. And Aldro was the one who sort of 548 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 6: came in, Like Alvro was based in Spain, and he 549 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 6: was just like, I have the idea of this kind 550 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,719 Speaker 6: of like Mediterranean via like and like trying to really 551 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 6: capture that kind of aesthetic, which is so like fundamentally 552 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 6: different than how I initially was approaching it. But then 553 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 6: once he started sending in these reference images of what 554 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 6: he wanted to capture in this space, like it was 555 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 6: just like, yes, please, like I want to, I want 556 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 6: to go visit there. 557 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: I would love to. 558 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 6: I would definitely love to stay in that house. And 559 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 6: I mean like that's the that's always the push in 560 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 6: the pull. It's like, this is need you know, we 561 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 6: are establishing these uh, these little paradises for these characters 562 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 6: to be trapped inside of and uh, you know, and 563 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 6: it needs to feel like paradise. And so you know, 564 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 6: thankfully Alvro loves that kind of design work and building 565 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 6: these spaces. And then on top of that, like you know, 566 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 6: Olvera and I have worked together so long and we've 567 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 6: always liked dense storytelling, and that is key in nice House. 568 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 6: And it's something that like I've always wanted when you 569 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 6: pick up one of my comic books for it to 570 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 6: be a kind of dense experience. I don't want it 571 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 6: to be a sort of especially a single comic book 572 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 6: issue can be an awful value at the store where 573 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 6: it's just like here's twenty five pages and if you 574 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,239 Speaker 6: can read the whole thing in two minutes, like you 575 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 6: know what, you know, what's the point. I want you 576 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 6: to sit with it, especially because we're doing horror. I 577 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 6: want to you know, really pace you through it. And 578 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 6: so the density of panels, the density of dialogue, and 579 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 6: a density of information on the page, slows down the 580 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 6: reading process and allows us to control more of the 581 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 6: tension and how we build the tension. It's one of 582 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 6: my favorite tricks, and I like, you know, I use 583 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 6: it in my other books too, but it is the 584 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 6: you know like it. I think it's it's really fundamental 585 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 6: to how the series works. Is especially because Ulvaro is 586 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 6: such a talented artist. He is able to get so 587 00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 6: much information across even when you're on a double page 588 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 6: spread that has you know, somewhere between twelve to sixteen panels. 589 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: Speaking of the tensions, Nice House is incredibly tense, wonderfully thrilling, 590 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: just really spooky with the twist and turns. But there's 591 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 2: this really unique speaking of your tricks, there's a really 592 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 2: unique sense of playfulness too that is sprinkled throughout. That 593 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 2: made me think, please don't hate me. This is crazy 594 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: to quote Walder, but it made me think of like 595 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 2: the reality show Big Brother or the video game The Sims. 596 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: You know, this kind of like godlike view of characters 597 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: trapped in a house so you can do things too. 598 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: And I'm wondering, does that resonate it off? Is there 599 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: anything to that? 600 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 6: I think I think that that's a great read. Like 601 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 6: it is something that we always have a kind of 602 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 6: fascination with people who are sort of contained in space, 603 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 6: and there is some like you know, with Walter, like 604 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 6: I initially you know in a way that this is 605 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 6: sort of an alien zoo story without it really being 606 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 6: like it is just you know, like we've we have 607 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 6: a little sample set of humanity that's sort of living 608 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 6: out its days and they're but they are being watched. 609 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 6: They are being uh, they aren't just alone out there 610 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 6: and they don't fully understand what's like recording them or 611 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 6: watching them, but they know that they're being watched and recorded. 612 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 6: So there is absolutely that element, you know, And I 613 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 6: think in that like, you know, I've I've done my 614 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 6: time with all of the reality shows, but I think 615 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 6: like the Truman Show would have been like the foundational 616 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 6: piece of media for me that sort of would tit 617 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 6: me in that direction. And then like and then yeah, 618 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 6: the Sims the idea of it's just like build this 619 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 6: kind of perfect place and then just see what happens 620 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 6: when your little toys have to like start living in it. 621 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 6: And it's just like that kind of disconnect that Walter 622 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 6: has between these people that you know, he genuinely loves 623 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 6: he genuinely really really cares about but they're is a 624 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 6: deep coldness and distance between Walter and and all of 625 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 6: these people he's been around his entire life, and that 626 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 6: kind of you know, how he navigates both his warm 627 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 6: feelings and his very cold feelings. It's like, is you know, 628 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 6: absolutely core to the character. 629 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very simuous, like then you remove the doors 630 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 3: and they can't leave. Actually, it's like a really great read. So, 631 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 3: speaking of horror and that kind of new or newer 632 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 3: part of your career, you've got Spectrograph coming out with 633 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 3: Christian Wards soon from Distillery actually this week, right, So 634 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: what can you kind of tell us about that and 635 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 3: kind of this this kind of ghost story that you 636 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 3: to have created together. 637 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 6: Oh, I'm really excited about this one. I mean, for one, 638 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 6: Christian Ward is just one of the best artists working 639 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 6: in the comics medium, and you know, we got to 640 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 6: do a few short stories together over at DC. We 641 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,840 Speaker 6: did a swamp thing story, we did a poison ivy story, 642 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 6: like you know, we got you know, we got to 643 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 6: play with some of the big toys. But during that 644 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 6: entire time we were talking about doing this comic and 645 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 6: you know, the sort of central pitch there, you know, 646 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 6: which is the first few pages of the first issue, 647 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 6: so I don't mind spoiling it, but it's basically, you know, 648 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 6: it starts with a flashback to the nineteen sixties and 649 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 6: you see this man who's you know, walking into this 650 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 6: occult club in New York City. He is obviously hated 651 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 6: by the other figures in that club, and he basically 652 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 6: walks up in front of the club and it's just like, 653 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 6: I've spent the first half of my life and half 654 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 6: in the first half of my fortune trying to prove 655 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 6: that ghosts exist, and I am ready here to say 656 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 6: that they do not exist, but they should. And I'm 657 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 6: going to spend the next half of my life and 658 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 6: the next half of my money making ghosts exist. And 659 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,399 Speaker 6: that is that is the setup of Spectograph. And then 660 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 6: you know, the then we jump into the present day 661 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 6: and we meet the actual a central characters of the story. 662 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 6: And you know, our lead Jane Uh, you know, has 663 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 6: has a very very human drive to get out of 664 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 6: that house when she's trapped inside of it. But we 665 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,959 Speaker 6: wanted to do an unconventional haunted house story, and part 666 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,280 Speaker 6: of my email pitching this to Christian right at the beginning, 667 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 6: it wasn't you know, first it was all of that 668 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 6: that I just said, But then the other thing that 669 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 6: I just said is like, Christian, I just want to 670 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 6: see you draw ghosts. And it turns out turns out 671 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 6: he's great at it, Like he's absolutely great, and you 672 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 6: know that that's part of the fun of it too. 673 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 6: It's just like us coming up with some very unconventional 674 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 6: types of ghosts and then unleashing them on our core 675 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 6: cast and you know, it's a great, big mystery, and 676 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 6: you know, and then on top of that, it's going 677 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 6: to you know, a lot of my series are very 678 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 6: sprawling over many years, but Spectrograph is a tight story. 679 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 6: It's you know, it's gonna be told in four oversight 680 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 6: forty six page issues in that kind of album format, 681 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 6: so it's like larger pages and the print quality is amazing, 682 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 6: Like it's a gorgeous, gorgeous book. So it's just like 683 00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 6: I am, I'm very very excited for people to pick 684 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 6: this up. It's uh, it's gonna be it's gonna be 685 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 6: something special. 686 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 2: Oh wow, I can't wait. You recently launched Tiny Onion 687 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 2: Studios tell us about that. 688 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,759 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know, at at its core, like the 689 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 6: like we we announced ourselves just a couple of months ago, 690 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,360 Speaker 6: and you know, right now we're doing all of the 691 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 6: secret stuff that you know, everyone's not really gonna find 692 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,439 Speaker 6: out what we're doing like for another year or two. 693 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 6: But there are a lot of very exciting things that 694 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,279 Speaker 6: like the boulders have been pushed down the hill and 695 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 6: now they're rolling and that is very very exciting. But 696 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 6: you know, really in my entire career, I've I've liked 697 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 6: being I like, I've liked operating independently, and I've liked 698 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 6: being able to sort of drive my you know, let 699 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,719 Speaker 6: my the create a vision of the books, sort of 700 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 6: drive how we bring them to the market and who 701 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 6: we bring them through. And the nice thing is is 702 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 6: like I have a footprint now at I think like 703 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 6: four of the five largest comic publishers right now, and 704 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 6: it's just like and so now we're able to sort 705 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 6: of be like, Okay, is this book an image book? 706 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 6: Is this book a dark horse book? Is this book? 707 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:19,920 Speaker 2: You know? 708 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 6: Uh like and then like you know, it's the fifth 709 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 6: year anniversary if something is killing the children, and the 710 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 6: tenth year anniversary of all my work with Boom Studios, 711 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 6: and you know, the biggest question that I got from 712 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 6: you know, retailers and from my publishers was just like 713 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 6: are you a publisher? Now? What are are you? And 714 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 6: it's just like, no, no, we're It's like, imagine an 715 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 6: independent film studio and we are. We go and we 716 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,839 Speaker 6: work with like all of our great friends and all 717 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 6: of these different distributions, like all the different distributors, but 718 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 6: we're like we sort of we build things independently on 719 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 6: our own and then we bring them into the publishing system. 720 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 6: And you know, it's a kind of new, new way 721 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,879 Speaker 6: to approach it, but it's also you know, it's both 722 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 6: and it's also very similar to how the initial studios 723 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 6: that comprised image, So it is just the like basically, 724 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 6: this allows me to kind of set the groundwork for 725 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 6: what I want to build over the next five ten years. 726 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 6: And then on top of that, it allows us to 727 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 6: sort of pull together our resources as we approach bringing 728 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 6: these works into into multimedia, into film and television and animation, 729 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 6: and we have a lot of ambitions there. So that's 730 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 6: and it's you know, and it's been exciting because you know, 731 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,600 Speaker 6: I've been able to watch the process as something is 732 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,280 Speaker 6: Killing the Children has been in development over at Netflix 733 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,319 Speaker 6: for the last few years, and it's like it's in 734 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 6: a very good place. I can't say anything more than that, 735 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 6: but it's a things are moving very well and then 736 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 6: you know, very exciting things are happening behind the scenes 737 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 6: with Department of Truth right now that I really wish 738 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 6: I could hint that, but I can't say more than that. 739 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 6: But it is just like we have, you know, It's 740 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 6: it's been really really nice to sort of see how 741 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 6: these you know, how the system works and the way 742 00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 6: in which I want my work to live on in 743 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 6: other media, while still making sure that the heart of 744 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 6: what I do and the core reason that I'm making 745 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 6: all of these comics is to make really really good comics. 746 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 6: Like that is the that is my number one concern, 747 00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 6: you know, and especially when I talk to retailers. I 748 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 6: want to make really good comics that do well for 749 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 6: retailers because I want I need them to sell well 750 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 6: enough so that they want to buy more from me. Yeah, 751 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 6: it's the curse of being a high output writer is 752 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 6: that it's just like I need them to buy a 753 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 6: lot of my comics. So it's just like they have 754 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,879 Speaker 6: to keep I have to keep making sure that they're 755 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 6: good and that they sell, and I'm gonna do my 756 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 6: damndest to make that happen. 757 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: I love that. 758 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 3: And also speaking of retailers, finally, this is so this 759 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 3: is going to be our Free Comic Book Day episode 760 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 3: because it's gonna come out just before Free Comic Book Day. 761 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 3: So what's your favorite free comic book Bay memory? 762 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 6: Let me try to remember, like I think, uh, you know, 763 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 6: there was a a Free Comic Book Day early in 764 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 6: my career that I went to a store signing in 765 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 6: Indiana and that with Scott Snyder. And then afterwards, like me, Scott, 766 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 6: Mark Wade, and Chris Somney, like a fan had brought 767 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 6: a like a like sharpened batterrang and we were all 768 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 6: throwing the batterrang into like. 769 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: A piece of wood and the incredible Yeah. 770 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 6: No, that was that was pretty good. I was not 771 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 6: good at throwing the batter rang. Scott on his first 772 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 6: throw got like a perfect throw and then it's like 773 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 6: I'm not throwing it again. But I mean I'm like, 774 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 6: you know, like that was an accident and that is 775 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 6: not gonna happen again. But yeah, no, that that's probably 776 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 6: that's probably the standout memory. 777 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:50,960 Speaker 1: I love that. 778 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 2: Well, James, thank you so much for joining us. Has 779 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 2: been a delightful conversation. 780 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. 781 00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 6: You so much for having me. 782 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,840 Speaker 2: Every episode we liked in the show with a fast 783 00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 2: moving segment. This time we're doing Who's Who, and we're 784 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 2: gonna be talking about the weirdest, our favorite weirdest. They're 785 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:18,080 Speaker 2: all weird, honestly, from really, who are our favorite weird 786 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 2: characters from Old Man Logan? Who are your favorite Who's 787 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,479 Speaker 2: your favorite weirdo from Old Man Logan? 788 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 3: To me, there's only one answer, and that is the 789 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 3: Venomized t Rex. 790 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,879 Speaker 1: I love it aka venom Bonded t Rex. 791 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,439 Speaker 3: But still, let's be real, that is such a cool 792 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 3: character design. That's such a cool idea, and I love 793 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 3: that it's actually been like expanded out now and they 794 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 3: even did like a Ethan Saxon, Marco Chicato and Old 795 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 3: Man Hawke I six did like an origin story for 796 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 3: the for the venom bonded t Rex. So I think 797 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 3: for me that's always stood out as like a really 798 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 3: cool idea and I would love to see that in 799 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 3: depthol Wolverine what about you? 800 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 6: For me? 801 00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 2: You know, old Man logan is really all about its villain. 802 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,280 Speaker 2: It's a story center in world in which the villains 803 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:08,040 Speaker 2: are triumphant, and so, you know, not a weirdo per se, 804 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,919 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna go with Red Skull. We see Red 805 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 2: Skull triumphant in this book, and at in my opinion, 806 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 2: his most evil ever, not counting having a piece of 807 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 2: Charles's brain implanted in his brain. Like this is for me, 808 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 2: the most evil Red Skull we've ever seen. And we 809 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,360 Speaker 2: get a glimpse of the Red Skull in his like 810 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:44,680 Speaker 2: museum of Pilford hero artifacts, and it is unnerving. Let's 811 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 2: just say that. 812 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, what a weirdo. What a weirdo? What a weirdo? Jason? 813 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: What are you looking forward to this week? 814 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I'll tell you. What I'm looking forward to 815 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 2: is going to the movies and seeing The Stuntman. The 816 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 2: Stuntman movie is starring Ryan Garsling, an ode to old 817 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 2: school practical effects and guys falling off buildings on fire 818 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 2: into large inflatable crash bags. I am really excited to 819 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 2: see this movie. What about you? 820 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: I love that movie. I'm glad you shout out the 821 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,799 Speaker 1: fall Guy. Absolutely delightful movie. I hope everyone goes to 822 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: see it. It's a love led to Stuntman. And I 823 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: also hope that it means that we finally get a 824 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: stunt oscar. It's way over due. 825 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,879 Speaker 3: I have a couple of core things. Obviously, free comic 826 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,600 Speaker 3: book They can't wait for it. So what is Free 827 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 3: Comic Book Day? It really is a day when you 828 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,760 Speaker 3: can go to your comic shop and you can get 829 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,360 Speaker 3: free comics. Now, not every comic is free, but you 830 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 3: can go in and they will have a ton of 831 00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 3: different comics. Every publisher puts out special comics on Free 832 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 3: Comic Book Day. 833 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:45,839 Speaker 1: This year it's on. 834 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 3: May fourth, so it coincides with Star Wars Day, which 835 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 3: I think is very exciting. And traditionally it's basically held 836 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,719 Speaker 3: the first Saturday in May every year, which has kind 837 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 3: of become like the Blockbuster release week, and. 838 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: It's very interesting. 839 00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 3: This is the first year in a while we haven't 840 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 3: had a superhero movie that the Free Comic Bookday. This 841 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 3: movie this year is basically The Fall Guy, but it 842 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 3: began in two thousand and two, and you can go 843 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,880 Speaker 3: to your local comic book shop and you can grab 844 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,240 Speaker 3: a bunch of different free comics. Different comic book shops 845 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 3: do it different ways. Some places do pre bagged, some 846 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 3: you can go and grab a comic and it's done. 847 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 3: It pretty much every comic shop across North America and 848 00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 3: definitely in England where I used to live. So it's 849 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 3: really fun and it's a great way to try out 850 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 3: new art new artists. And I want to shout out 851 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 3: the comic Bite Ngozia Kazu Barda. That's one of my 852 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 3: most anticipated comics of the year. You can get it 853 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,080 Speaker 3: from your local comic book shop this weekend at Free 854 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 3: Comic Book Day. 855 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: Also, if you're in New York, Den. 856 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 3: Of Geek is doing a super cool event to celebrate 857 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 3: the anniversary of the X Files and it looks really 858 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,719 Speaker 3: rad and I got to be a part of choosing 859 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279 Speaker 3: and voting on their Monster of the Week and that's 860 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 3: on Friday. So if you're listening to this when it 861 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,840 Speaker 3: actually comes out, if you're in New York, check that 862 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 3: we can put a link in the show notes. 863 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:03,720 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Extra Vision. 864 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:11,760 Speaker 1: See you next time, See you next time, guys. Bye. 865 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,880 Speaker 2: X Ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kensumsion and Rosie 866 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive 867 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 2: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. 868 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,960 Speaker 1: Our supervising producer is. 869 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,240 Speaker 2: A Boo Zafar. 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