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Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with

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Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks,

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Speaker 1: if you want a good laugh, Apparently it was announced

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Speaker 1: this week that Senator Tim Scott is going to be

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Speaker 1: launching his Exploratory Presidential Committee. And I'm like, you can

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Speaker 1: waste money if you want to, but I can't think

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Speaker 1: of a person that would be a worse president than

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Speaker 1: that sycophant trash Tim Scott. Tim Scott is the reason, folks,

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Speaker 1: if you remember why we don't have the George Floyd

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Speaker 1: Legislation right because he, along with Republicans, won't get rid

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Speaker 1: of qualified immunity that allows us the ability to you know,

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Speaker 1: whole old police officers accountable for killing unarmed, innocent people.

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott is one of those black folks who believe

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Speaker 1: that racism doesn't exist because look where he is. So

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Speaker 1: apparently the rest of us are just making shit up

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Speaker 1: in our heads. It's just laughable, Like it's laughable who

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party has to put out, as you know,

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Speaker 1: their potential candidates from Donald Trump, a man who is

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Speaker 1: indicted on thirty four felon accounts, Ron de Santis, who

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Speaker 1: is just you know, Cruella de Ville in a suit,

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Speaker 1: Nicky Haley, who has anybody heard a peep from her

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Speaker 1: since her announcement. These people are ridiculous and they're nobodies,

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Speaker 1: and they have no policies to offer the American people.

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Speaker 1: But that's why it is so important for us to

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Speaker 1: pay attention to what is happening at the states and

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Speaker 1: what is happening at the local level. Like we have

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Speaker 1: all eyes on Tennessee right now, and I just want

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Speaker 1: to lift up for you that Missouri, the state legislature there,

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party voted to defund all public libraries. Can

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Speaker 1: you imagine being a part of a political party that

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Speaker 1: is championing banning books and defunding libraries at a time

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Speaker 1: when children are being killed in their classrooms by AAR fifteens,

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Speaker 1: the same party where their federal representatives replace flag pins

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Speaker 1: with pins of AAR fifteens their weapon of mass murdering choice.

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Speaker 1: And so you know, for me, it's like, yes, are

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Speaker 1: we going to be paying attention to the presidential twenty

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Speaker 1: attention to what Republicans and the fascist regimes that they

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Speaker 1: are backing or doing at every step and in every place,

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Speaker 1: because it is wildly fucking dangerous. And while folks, while

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Speaker 1: we are continuing to have our eyes on Tennessee, we

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Speaker 1: know that at some point in time we will move

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Speaker 1: on to the next catastrophe, to the next disaster. We're

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Speaker 1: still trying to figure out what has gone awry in Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: But I can tell you that with regard to what's

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Speaker 1: if you have not, check out my Instagram because I

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Speaker 1: posted two headlines, two front page articles from the New

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Speaker 1: York Post, one with regard to the killing of Trayvon

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Speaker 1: And it is just you will never see a person

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Speaker 1: get more humanized than a white mass shooter in the

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Speaker 1: United States. These articles, even including from The Daily Beasts,

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Speaker 1: where I write and host another podcast, have headlines that

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Speaker 1: are elevating this guy's connection to sports and what he

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Speaker 1: I care what activities he participated in. He walked into

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Speaker 1: So shouldn't we be having that conversation not trying to

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Speaker 1: humanize him. But at the same time, these same media

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Speaker 1: outlets that claim their bullshit neutrality work overtime to dehumanize

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Speaker 1: I just, you know, there are times when I get

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Speaker 1: white murderers. It's really amazing. Coming up today on this episode,

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Speaker 1: first time Natalie Thompson, who is the co president of InterPride,

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Speaker 1: And in this conversation, Natalie and I talk about the

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Speaker 1: attacks that have been happening on the lgbt QIA plus community,

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Speaker 1: the very first time, Natalie Thompson, who is co president

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Speaker 1: So Enterprise as an organization that was really founded on

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Speaker 1: to push this global pride movement. The goal is to share, convene.

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Speaker 1: The goal is to talk about human rights. The goal

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Speaker 1: we have solidarity funds, we have scholarship funds. We are

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Speaker 1: order to continue convening, who needed to fund housing opportunities,

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Speaker 1: source of support number one, uplifting issues on a global scale.

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Speaker 1: being able to pride opportunities for solidarity, really being able

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Speaker 1: to raise the profile of why pride is important. When

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Speaker 1: recently with regard to what is happening in Uganda. Absolutely

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Speaker 1: so to just talk about why we issue this statement.

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