1 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: Is what's going on, Commanders Fan. This is another episode 2 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: of the beat Down podcast. I am your host, senior 3 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: writer for the Washington Commanders, Zach Selby, and the vibes 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: are once again high out here at Ashburn because the 5 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Commander's romped the Carolina Panthers forty to seven. 6 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: You had a pick six, You had. 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Marcus Mario to coming in and lead the team to 8 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: the office to thirty three points. It was a great, 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: great day overall. You couldn't really ask for much more 10 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: than that, other than obviously Dave Daniel's being out. That's 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: not ideal. We will keep that monitor throughout the week, 12 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: but we cannot dwell too long on our spoils of 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: victory because the Commanders have another really tough test coming 14 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: up this week against the Chicago Bears, a number one 15 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: overall pick KAYLEB Williams. They are riding a three game 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: winning streak coming out of the bye, most recently taking 17 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: down the Jacksonville Jaguars in London. It's gonna be a 18 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: number one versus number two no matter what happens, guys, 19 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: whether it's Jade Daniels or Marcus Mario to playing. 20 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: Uh, but it's gonna be quite the test either way. 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: And how they're gonna be able to come away with 22 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: a starting another winning streak for the Commanders, Well, that 23 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: is exactly what we are going to be. 24 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 2: Talking about with me. Of course. 25 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: We have two more guests here, Alex Flumm, sports reporter 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: and anchor from DC DC News Now and Moyses Lenari 27 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: is the play by play announcer for the Commander Spanish broadcast. 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: We had one last week. We had to get Moyses 29 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: in this week. Guys, how are we doing pretty good? 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you doing I'm good. 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 4: It's this is my second time on this thing, so 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 4: this is pretty EXCD. 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 3: So you're number one and I'm number two. LS role 34 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: any day. 35 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you know Flum unfortunately did lose his 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: first matchup, so he is definitely out for blood, so 37 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: to say, hey, hanging into this is this round two 38 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 1: for him. But all the viewers, they know the spiel, 39 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: they know the deal with For you guys, if you 40 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: flub me know up and more of us, you know 41 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: we'll be asking you guys questions. You guys are gonna 42 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: be debating. I'm gonna give you points. And since it 43 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: is my show and the Bird has arrested on my 44 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: heavy shoulders. Uh, it is my responsibility to play a 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: winner at the end of this bout. 46 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: But for all the viewers, you. 47 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 1: Should be more focused on what's happening with these two 48 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: guys and how they are able to deliver this objective 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: content and this subjective analysis about these teams because they 50 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: are of course some of the best of what they do. 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: And without further ado, now we have the rules and 52 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,399 Speaker 1: regulations out of the way, let's go ahead and jump 53 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: into it, starting with the offense. Probably the biggest thing 54 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: that the commanders are gonna have to be paying attention 55 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: to this week because Cliff Kingsbury is going to quite 56 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: the challenge. 57 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: If Marcus Mariota does play. We don't know whether. 58 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: That's gonna be the cancel out as of this recording 59 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: of this podcast. There might be some updates when you 60 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: hear this on Saturday, but for now we do not know. 61 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: Because Jayden Daniels did not practice on Wednesday with a 62 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: rib injury, Marcus more Riota took the first team reps. 63 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: He was addressing the media on Wednesday. Uh So it 64 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: is a big mystery right now as to which number 65 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: two overall pick we are going to see uh pseudo. 66 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: For the Burgundy Gold as the starting quarterback. 67 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: But for all into the purposes, let's just say that 68 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota does play. Now we're not saying, of course, 69 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: that he is or isn't, but let's just say that 70 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: he does. Flum, We'll start with you, what can Cliff 71 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Kingsbury do to elevate Mariota if he plays, Because he 72 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: came in there and performed really well in relief for Jayden. 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: But again, this this Chicago defense is going to be 74 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: quite the challenge against. They are top five unit in 75 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: several several stats here. How can Cliff Kingsbury take on 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: this challenge of la Mariota in in the best way possible? 77 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 5: Yeah? Well, I think, first off, I think they need 78 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 5: to get Mario to confident out there, have him make 79 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 5: a few early throws, maybe to Terry, maybe to Elaminae 80 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 5: a Kiis or some or Diami Brown or zach Ertz 81 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 5: or went out there. 82 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 4: It seemed like he had a good report with the 83 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 4: tight ends last week. 84 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,839 Speaker 5: But I also think that they really need to establish 85 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 5: the run out there. I think back to the Ravens 86 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 5: game with no Brian Robinson in that game, none of 87 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 5: the running backs were able to get more than I 88 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 5: think twenty one twenty two rushing yards in that game, 89 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 5: So I think they really need to run it down. 90 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 5: The Bears throats establish the run early with Brian Robinson, 91 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: so there's a little bit less attention on what Mariota 92 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 5: is doing down the stretch if the game is close, especially, 93 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 5: so I think if they can get that running game 94 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 5: going early and they can get a little bit of confidence. 95 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 4: In Mariota to start things off, I think he'll. 96 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 5: Be able to get rolling and he should be able 97 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 5: to have a good day, just like he did this 98 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 5: past week. 99 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,679 Speaker 1: And you know, if you bring up the point about 100 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: game Mariota offsho a good start there. And you know, 101 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 1: we've seen, you know, some decent Mario performances over the 102 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: course of his career, but it really was quite quite 103 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: the day for him in games where he's passed at 104 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: least twenty times. It was the third highest completion range 105 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: rating he had with seventy eight eight percent. Uh, it 106 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: was a really great day for him. Two touchdowns, only 107 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: had five incompletions. And you also bring in the point 108 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: about the running game, which I think is I think 109 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: in area that the that the Commanders could try to 110 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: exploit here, because while the Bears are very good in 111 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: a lot of other areas, they're not as good defending 112 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: the run. I think they're you know, they're still they're 113 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: flirting around there with the top ten top ten defense 114 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: terns on the ground defense, but it's not it's not 115 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 1: quite as good as the passing game in the secondary. 116 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: Uh you know, they's they're not as quite as proficient 117 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: there in terms of scoring. Uh So, moys Is, I'll 118 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,119 Speaker 1: flip that over to you and kind of focuses specifically. 119 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: On on the running game here. 120 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously you're gonna be rob You're gonna 121 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: have Austin Eckler in there. But as far as Mario 122 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: to as a runner, Like, what do you really expect 123 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: him because he didn't carry the ball a few times 124 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 1: against the Panthers, But what do you expect out of 125 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: Mario with his legs heading into the Bears game. 126 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 6: Well, he showed us that he has the ability to 127 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 6: run with the ball, right, he didn't do it as 128 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 6: many times because the team didn't need him to run 129 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 6: the ball, but we seen him in the past. This 130 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 6: is a veteran we're talking about ten years in the league. 131 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 6: You know, we saw what he did with other teams 132 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 6: such as Tennessee where perhaps we saw his greatest seasons 133 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 6: than the Falcons. But I think Marcus Mariota, what you 134 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 6: need to do with him is just trust him. He's 135 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 6: a veteran. You brought him in for this specific moment. 136 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 6: This is not a coincidence that we're getting to this point. 137 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 6: It's the NFL injuries happened. So now that we have 138 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 6: Marcus Mariota in this exact position, it is a moment 139 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 6: for him to show why he was brought in. I 140 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 6: think he understands his role. For me, it's more on 141 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 6: letting Mariota do his thing, allowing Cliff Kingsbury to trust 142 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 6: him just a bit more. 143 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: Whether he's gonna throw, whether he's gonna run. He has 144 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: the ability. 145 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 6: Maybe we'll see some rbos and allow him to use 146 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 6: his legs a little bit more. But if that's not 147 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 6: the case, he has a couple great running backs such 148 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 6: as Brian Robinson Junior, who's shown that he can put 149 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 6: the team on his back, and I think this will 150 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 6: be a Brian Robinson Junior your type of game of 151 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 6: ground and pound and with his ability. I think the 152 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 6: Commanders will have the ability to to move the chains 153 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 6: and score touchdowns. 154 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: But I think it's not a coincidence. 155 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 6: I think Mariota he know, he knows, and he knew 156 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 6: that this day would come, and here we are. If 157 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 6: it is him, if his number is called on Sunday, 158 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 6: I think he will be He will. 159 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 3: Be more than ready. 160 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 6: I don't really see why people would be worried Mariota 161 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 6: might play. Look ten years in the league, Heisman Trophy winner, 162 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 6: it's his moment, you know. 163 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: Okay, So just to pull the curtain back a little 164 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: bit here, I grew up a Titans sand and uh 165 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, I was in I was in college whenever 166 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: the Titans drafted Mariota, and I loved watching him play 167 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: it Oregon loved watching him play with the Titans. Uh 168 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: so I've seen a lot of him, and you are. 169 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: You do bring up a good point, was it's about, 170 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: you know it in trusting Mariota in terms of like 171 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: how he's able to just make plays off scripts. I 172 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: think that was some of the best plays that he 173 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: made against the Panthers last week. You know, when the 174 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: play breaks down, he's able to scream around a little 175 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: bit and find this open guy. Now, Alex, I'll go 176 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: back to you with this specifically, because you know Cliff 177 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: Cliff has has has been able to call again a 178 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: certain way with Jayden Uh. You know, you see some 179 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: of the offscript stuff here and there with with Jayden, 180 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: but it seems like there's more of that with Mariota 181 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: the scene where he thrives the most. So what does 182 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: this offense look like when it's maybe when plays break 183 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: down and you have to rely on Mariota uh to 184 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: come through with these plays that you know, maybe he 185 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't necessarily make if he was doing them on time. 186 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 5: Well, I think with Jaden, we saw that when plays 187 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,840 Speaker 5: broke down, he wasn't afraid to run, and he wasn't 188 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 5: afraid to adjust and and you know, change things on 189 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 5: the fly. And I think, like Moisas was saying, I 190 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 5: think Mariota is not going to be afraid to do 191 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 5: that either. Like you said, he's a veteran in this league. 192 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 5: Jayden's still just learning. Mario has kind of been there, 193 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 5: he's he's had the experience, he's had the rep So 194 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 5: I think if if plays break down, you know, it 195 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 5: may not look as smooth as some of the plays 196 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 5: Jayden's been able to make, like some of these deep, 197 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 5: impressive throws to Terry that he's made under pressure. 198 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 4: But I think he'll. 199 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 5: Still be able to fix plays that have broken down 200 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 5: and extend plays and extend drives. 201 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 4: And you know, last. 202 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 5: Week we saw it in a lot of those plays 203 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 5: where he was able to make something happen even if 204 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 5: the play broke down a little bit. So I agree 205 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 5: with Moys says that I think Mariota will be ready 206 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: for the moment. 207 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. 208 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: And I think these players do is what his teammates 209 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: do as well, And I think that's something that really 210 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: goes Maybe you know, you're not gonna see it on 211 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: the stat sheet, like the player belief stat is not 212 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: really going to show up on the Boss or whenever 213 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: the Commanders and the Bears play, but it really does. 214 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: Simply that has quite the effect. 215 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: Now, and Moys, before we go to the next question, 216 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: I'll bounce that to you in terms of, you know, 217 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: how big is the fact that the these teammates they 218 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 1: trust Maria even though he hasn't been on the field 219 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: really since the preseason. How big of a factory is 220 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: that they're able to trust him to go out there 221 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: and deliver on Sunday. 222 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: It's huge. He's a leader. 223 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 6: He's a leader on and off the field, and I 224 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 6: think we've spoken about that, even when we knew he 225 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 6: was not going to be the starter, he was brought 226 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 6: into lead. He was brought into mentor a young Jaden Daniels. 227 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: But I'll add another point to this. 228 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 6: You know, this conversation we're having, the communication has been 229 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 6: a lot better. From week one to week number six, 230 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 6: We've seen a huge improvement and we can single out 231 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 6: a couple of players such as Sam cost Me and 232 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 6: Andrew Wiley and the type of communication that they're having 233 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,719 Speaker 6: on the line. That's also allowing the quarterback to have 234 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 6: more time to make a decision. It was a case 235 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 6: with Jaden Daniels, and we expect that to be the 236 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,359 Speaker 6: same case with Marcus Manriota. 237 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 238 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see the challenge that he 239 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: faces going up against the Bears, because you know, the 240 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: Panthers was it was an exceptional game for him. 241 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 2: You know, the Bears are going to be quite thee 242 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: quite the task. 243 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: I think it's probably one of the best eamens is 244 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: they'll they'll play all year just from a statistical standpoint. 245 00:10:58,640 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: Moving on to the next question, but. 246 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,640 Speaker 1: First score update, you guys are tied three to three 247 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: in terms of points. You guys made very good showing 248 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: here for both of you. But we're gonna flip it on 249 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: over to the commander's defense and we're gonna talk about 250 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, the number one overall pick, because I feel 251 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: like we have to talk about him right because he's 252 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: He's never an overall pick. He was picked right before Jaden, 253 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: So these guys are always going to be linked no 254 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: matter what. And Caleb has been playing quite well over 255 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: the last month or so. I think he leeds a 256 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: lead in passer rating. I think he has a seventy 257 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: seventy four percent completion percentage. He's doing a lot of 258 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: really good things. He tossed four touchdowns against the Jacksonville 259 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: Jaguars in London. It's gonna be it's gonna be interesting 260 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: to see what the commanders are able to put cook 261 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: up to try to stop him. So this will start 262 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: with you with this one. In terms of making some 263 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: rookie mistakes for Caleb, because he did, he did start 264 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: his career making some up and down mistakes. 265 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: There you know, as you would expect from a rookie. 266 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: But you know, how what can the Commanders do to 267 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: maybe force those rookie mistakes to happen a little more 268 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: often against them. 269 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: Probably blits a little more. So, Let's pressure Caleb Williams. 270 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: He's a mobile quarterback. We know that he's getting better 271 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: week by week. 272 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 6: I know they were doubters saying that perhaps he's not 273 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 6: the guy we thought he was. Look, it's the NFL. 274 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 6: Not everyone starts like Jaden Daniels did. It took him 275 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 6: some time to get acclimated to the way the way 276 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,359 Speaker 6: of play in the NFL. But for the Washington Commanders, 277 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 6: it's all about players stepping up. We saw that last 278 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 6: week Dante Fowler with the interception running it back for 279 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 6: a pick six. We need some more of that throughout 280 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 6: this season. Up to this point, Frankie Lulu has been 281 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 6: one of the leaders for. 282 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 3: The linebacker unit. 283 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 6: Bobby Wagner has also been there, and for the first 284 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 6: time this season we mentioned his name, Emmanuel Ford stepping up. 285 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 3: If we can keep doing this, I think the. 286 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 6: Commanders have a good opportunity to make it a very 287 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 6: long afternoon for Caleb Williams or to better put it, 288 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 6: it won't be that easy. 289 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: These are not the Jacksonville Jaguars, which are probably the 290 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 3: worst team in the league. 291 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 6: I think the Washington Commanders are trending in the right direction. 292 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 6: We're talking about Caleb Williams, but he's not the only 293 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 6: problem that Washington has to worry about. How about DeAndre Siff, 294 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 6: how about DJ Moore who was a freaking nightmer for 295 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 6: the Commanders a year ago. So these are all things 296 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 6: that have to be of concern for the Washington Commanders. 297 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 6: But speaking and concentrated on Caleb Williams, make them feel pressure, 298 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 6: make them leave the pocket, and make them force probably 299 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 6: throw one of those force passes that is probably gonna 300 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 6: end up in an interception. 301 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 3: So those are my keys for the defense this coming week. 302 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really think the defense has played a lot 303 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: better over the last few weeks. So I know a 304 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: lot of people were very concerned about how they were 305 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: going to how they actual They performed in Week one 306 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: against the Buccaneers, and that's a really good team that 307 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: they played in Week one. But since then they've really 308 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: made these small incremental improvements to the point where you're right, 309 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, they're close to the league average in a 310 00:13:58,080 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: lot of areas, and I think that's kind of what 311 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: you would you want out of that unit, especially in 312 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: terms of like the pass rush and things like that. 313 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: And we'll focus on that with you, Alex, because I 314 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: think the pass rush has really come along recently, because 315 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: you remember, I think, you know, with the with the 316 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: Cardinals and the Bengals, there was a lot of talk 317 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,319 Speaker 1: about how, you know, the passers just isn't really getting there, 318 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: They're not really finishing, and now it seems like they 319 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: really are with Frankie Louvou out there, with Dante Fowler 320 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: getting more snaps with Dorince Armstrong and when heever he 321 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: comes back and he's he's gonna get more rushes. He 322 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: had a really good stretch there, you know, before he 323 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: got hurt with a rib injury. So how big do 324 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: you think this pastor is going to be, Alex for 325 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: in terms of containing halob because they they this is 326 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: not the first time the Commanders have faced a mobile 327 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: quarterback this year. 328 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think the pass rush definitely gonna 329 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 5: be huge, And you bring it up Dante Fowler Junior, 330 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 5: and I have to give Moisas on the other side 331 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 5: a shout out too, because Yeah, plus in the locker 332 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 5: room yesterday that he loved moist sas Is called the touchdown. 333 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: That was an awesome thing. But I just to throw 334 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 4: that in there real quick. But you know, he's had. 335 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 5: A heck of a game last week, and it's like 336 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 5: you said, it's been someone different stepping up every week. 337 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: I mean, Drance Armstrong. 338 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 5: Had good games when he was healthy and they definitely 339 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 5: hope to have him back. Cleveland Ferrell, Doran Payne, you know, 340 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 5: Johnny Newton started to take on a larger role. 341 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 4: But as much as we're going to talk about that 342 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 4: pass rush, and I want. 343 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: To bring up something that Mike Sanders still said yesterday. 344 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 5: He said, instead of telling the D line rush so 345 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 5: we can cover, we need to cover so they can rush. 346 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 5: And I think this game is actually going to fall 347 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 5: upon the secondary because you know, we talked about the 348 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 5: struggles they had at the beginning of the season. 349 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 4: They've started to come on a bit more lately. Like 350 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 4: you said, Forbes had the pick last week. 351 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 5: So I think that secondary and them being able to 352 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 5: stop Caleb and that trio of DJ Moore, Keenan Allen 353 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 5: and Roma Dunzaman that's a really solid wide receiver trio. 354 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 5: And I look at what Caleb Williams has done this season. 355 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: The first couple of weeks, if you watch his games, 356 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 5: he was not able. 357 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: To throw the ball down field. 358 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 5: It was a lot of short plays, you know, dinks 359 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 5: and dunks, not a lot of stretching the field. And 360 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 5: I think the Commanders need to recreate that situation where 361 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 5: the secondary eliminates the opportunities downfield and keeps things in 362 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 5: the short field, because I think Caleb is actually gonna 363 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 5: succeed most when he can, you know, get in those 364 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 5: situations where he can run and get outside the pocket 365 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 5: a little bit and create some different you know, kind 366 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 5: of like the Mahomes effect or kind of like what 367 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: we've seen with Jayden Daniel's extending plays. Doing that and 368 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 5: throwing the ball deep. I think is where he's really 369 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 5: shown to improve the last few weeks. And if the 370 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 5: Commanders can eliminate that, I think they might have the 371 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 5: upper hand in this. 372 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: You know, we keep dancing around, you know, djmore. We 373 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: will definitely talk about him, you know, heading into the 374 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: final question. But you know the other guy that Roal 375 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: Madoon Day, Keenan Allen, like DeAndre Swift, Like all these 376 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: guys are are so key. So I mean they invested 377 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: heavily in the in in that offense, you know, this offseason, 378 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: and has it's really paid off for them? It seems like, 379 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: oh the last two weeks or so. Uh, But moys, 380 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: it's like, let's focus on on those weapons like Keyan 381 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: Allen and romadoons and in terms of like with Alex 382 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: throwing the deep ball down to but that's all. That's 383 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: kind of been an area where the commanders have have 384 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: have maybe shown some you know up and down growth, 385 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, over the last few months or so, they've 386 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: seen that they've gotten better at but they're also still 387 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: vulnerable in other ways, like whenever they played Begainst the 388 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: Bengals and Jamar Taes really just went you know, towards 389 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 1: him in a lot of other areas, especially downfield. So 390 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: how did how does the how does the commander secretary stack. 391 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: Up against this overall group of receivers. 392 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: And what can they do to to to limit those 393 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: big plays downfield? So it's okay, well, all he has 394 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: to do is digging dunk down, you know, down the field. 395 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 6: Well, we have to acknowledge the fact that Dj Moore 396 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 6: and Keenan Allen are ballers. Both of those players are 397 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 6: elite when we talk about NFL receivers. 398 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 3: Keenan Allen a veteran in the NFL. 399 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 6: Right, we've seen his his career twelve years in the league. 400 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 6: DJ Moore, you know half of that amount of the 401 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 6: fact that they can play ball. 402 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 3: Those are players you're going to have to look out for. 403 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: But I'm going to go back to what. 404 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 6: Defensive coordinator Joe with Junior said a couple I believe 405 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 6: it was last week when he said the communication has 406 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 6: been an issue. He acknowledged the fact that there's been 407 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 6: problems in the play by play booth. 408 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: We've seen the same. 409 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 6: We've seen moments when the communication in the secondary seems 410 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 6: to just break apart in no one's talking and we 411 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 6: see opposing players wide open on the field. Joe what 412 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 6: Junior said, communication is sent, received and acknowledged, and if 413 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 6: you can improve and those three key you know factors 414 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 6: in the defensive side, I think we're going to see 415 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 6: a better defensive unit. 416 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: We've seen improvement. 417 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 6: We've seen the secondary we come up with big plays, 418 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 6: but now they have to show consistency. If we can 419 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 6: see that from them. I think we're going to be 420 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 6: okay where we hit. We need players like Benjamin Saint Jews, 421 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 6: who's a great player but on easis has come up short. 422 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 6: Perhaps you know, he has some bad calls, but also 423 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 6: times where there's no communication. We're expecting him to step up. 424 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 6: We're expecting Emanual Forbes to keep playing well like he 425 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 6: did last week and come up with a blick. 426 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 3: Plays now, Mike bay point is. 427 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 6: Caleb Williams is a great quarterback. Perhaps he's going to 428 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 6: be elite in the upcoming season's upcoming years, but he's 429 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 6: not Lamar Jackson. Yets and the Washington Commanders showed that 430 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 6: they can keep up with a quarterback like Lamar Jackson 431 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 6: got to him three times. 432 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 3: You have to keep doing that. 433 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 6: This shows you that the potential for this unit to 434 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 6: take that next step is right there for grabs. So 435 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 6: I think if you could put the pressure on Caleb 436 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 6: Williams and if the secondary can have better communication consistency 437 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 6: in the communication department, they're going to be okay. 438 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I really think. 439 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: You know, obviously communication is important for all sides of 440 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: the ball, offense, deven special teams, but like it seems 441 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: like communication with the secondary is just it's so critical 442 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,840 Speaker 1: vote because they are all working as one unit in 443 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: a lot of ways, and they all had to feed 444 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: off each other. And I do think it has has 445 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: gotten better, a lot better. And you also bring up 446 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: a good point about, you know, putting pressure on on 447 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: Kleb because you know, Calamari they did. They kind of 448 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: did the same thing. He didn't think, only had like 449 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: one rush at him for like three yards. Deshaun Watson 450 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: really didn't do much outside of the pocket again when 451 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: they played the browns Lamar Jackson is Lamar Jackson. But 452 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: I feel like they, you know, at times they had 453 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,120 Speaker 1: a good plan for for containing him and bottling him up. 454 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 2: Alice, real quick before we move on. 455 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Emmanuel Forbes briefly there, but 456 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, he had he had an interception, you know, 457 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: the first one he's had since his you know, since 458 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: last year. I think it was Week two against the 459 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos. So I mean just having him in general, 460 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: like being able to produce, like how how important is 461 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: that going to be for this secondary who which which 462 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: has been you know a little shallow and depth at times, 463 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: but getting him back first round, picking being productive, like 464 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 1: how how big go Well. 465 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: When Emmanuel Forbes was drafted here, there were a lot 466 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 5: of high hopes for Forbes and you know, he set 467 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 5: records in college with interceptions and pick sixes, and that's 468 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 5: something that Commanders fans were hoping to see from him here. 469 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 4: So if you add that dynamic of Emmanuel Forbes being. 470 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 5: Able to come in and be a ballhawk in games, 471 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 5: I mean, I think back to when D'Angelo Hall was 472 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 5: on this team and he was making plays left and right, 473 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 5: and you know there was a game against the Bears 474 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 5: where he had four interceptions in it, and you think, 475 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 5: you know, Sean. 476 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 4: Taylor made a lot of plays like that. 477 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 5: So you know, that's something that Commanders fans are hungry 478 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 5: for and we saw it last week with the huge 479 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 5: play to Dante Fowler Junior. So if you add that 480 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 5: dynamic of Forbes coming in, you start to kind of 481 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 5: slowly see that secondary get going. I mean, Jeremy Chin 482 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 5: has been great this year. Kwon Martin has held his 483 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 5: own at the safety position. 484 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 4: We talked about Ben Saint Jus. 485 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 5: You know, he's had his moments of struggles, but he's 486 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 5: had solid moments as well. Sandrus still he had option 487 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 5: in Baltimore, So you know, you kind of see these guys, 488 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 5: know egg monogamy, Mike Davis, you know they're coming and 489 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 5: making plays. If you can throw Forbes into that equation 490 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 5: and he can be relied upon, especially when you talk 491 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 5: about going up against great weapons weekend and week out 492 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 5: in the NFL, that that can make a major difference 493 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 5: and also would be really nice just to see after 494 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 5: the adversity he's been through to have that success. 495 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,239 Speaker 1: You know, the potential of a manual is just is 496 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: just so great because you know, he broke he broke 497 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: the FBS record for most pick sixes. And you see 498 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: the four three speed, you see you know the length, 499 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: you see the range, you see the coverability. It's just 500 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 1: it's it hasn't always gone the way he or the 501 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: team would want it to yet. But I hope that 502 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: you know, in the corner is just such a it's 503 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,479 Speaker 1: such a confidence based position that I really hope that 504 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: that pick that he had just really sends him flying 505 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: through the roof here and gets him back on track 506 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: because I think he could really be such a big 507 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: key for the defense. All right, So final question before 508 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: we do score up date, guys, are still tied, so 509 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 1: it's all coming down into the wire here and we're 510 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,160 Speaker 1: gonna focus on a guy we have kind of talked 511 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: about a little bit here and there, but we were 512 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,360 Speaker 1: gonna focus specifically on DJ Moore because the last time 513 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: he was at this stadium he had a big day 514 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: career day. Eight receptions on ten targets for two hundred 515 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: and thirty yards with three touchdowns, average twenty eight point 516 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: eight yards per catch. 517 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 3: Uh. 518 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a big key for this team. The 519 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: players who were still in this defense from last year 520 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: definitely remember the kind of performance he had. They're gonna 521 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: be trying their best to stop him. So Alex will 522 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: start with you. You're what is your best plan for 523 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: the Commanders to contain or stop DJ Moore from having 524 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: a similar day. 525 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 5: Well, I'll tell you this, and we'll keep in mind 526 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 5: DJ Moore went to the University of Maryland, where Zach. 527 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 4: And I both went, So you turt. 528 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 5: That you know he's coming in motivated in this game. 529 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 5: And not to mention, Caleb Williams also grew up here 530 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 5: in the DMV played his high school ball at Gonzaga, 531 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 5: so they're both going to have local connections. 532 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: To this game extra local motivation. 533 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 5: I think they're both going to be excited, and I 534 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 5: think the Commanders simply need to put that extra attention 535 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 5: on DJ Moore because Roma Dunza is young, you know, 536 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 5: he's a rookie in this league. Keenan Allen is a 537 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 5: veteran that maybe isn't the same as he once was. 538 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 5: So I think DJ Moore, in the prime of his career, 539 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 5: just getting that big contract, I think he does garner 540 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 5: that extra attention. So whatever it is, whether it's a 541 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 5: Manda man or zone on a given play, I do 542 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 5: think they need to focus on DJ to Moore as 543 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 5: that primary target for the Bears. Force the Bears to 544 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 5: throw to Keenan Allen, who maybe hasn't been as effective 545 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 5: this year, forced the Bears to have to throw to 546 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 5: Rome Dunes. 547 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:55,640 Speaker 4: They forced the Bears to have to run the ball. 548 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 5: We talked about the Commanders being to develop the run Bears. 549 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 5: Probably we need to do that too, And I think 550 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 5: you can make a good point. The b rob is 551 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 5: having a better season than DeAndre Swift, So I think 552 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 5: if you force the Bears away, take DJ Moore out 553 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 5: of this game as the primary focus, you know, maybe 554 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 5: you can let him still get those short plays and 555 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 5: give him a little bit. 556 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,239 Speaker 4: But like we're saying with eliminating. 557 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,240 Speaker 5: Those deep plays for Caleb Williams, you know, if you 558 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 5: need to have someone help on a deep throw, just 559 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 5: don't let them get that connection. Because you know, if 560 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 5: you we talked about cornerback being a confidence game, it 561 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 5: works on the other side too. 562 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 4: If a quarterback can make an eighty yard throw to 563 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 4: DJ Moore, you. 564 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 5: Know that's going to give them confidence to do it 565 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 5: again and keep targeting him. 566 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 4: So just don't let up that big play. 567 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 5: And like I said before, the secondary, this is gonna 568 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 5: be a big test game for them because they're gonna 569 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 5: be an X factor and if they can stop DJ 570 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 5: Moore and they can stop Kayleb Williams, we're gonna be 571 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 5: looking at a six and two Commanders team, which will 572 00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 5: be very exciting. 573 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: All right, boys, s, you were there Thursday night for 574 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: the broadcast. You saw what DJ Moore did to this team. 575 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: What is your best plan for stopping him? 576 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 6: Well, first of all, Alex, I don't care if he 577 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 6: went to the University of Maryland. 578 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 3: I Caleb Williams is from the DMB. 579 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 6: On Sunday when we're on from four to seven pm. 580 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 6: They're the enemy. They've played for the opposing team. Beat 581 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 6: them at all costs. It doesn't matter where they are from. 582 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,399 Speaker 3: What's cool they went to And I agree with you, 583 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 3: though I'll give you some credit. 584 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, you have to force Caleb Williams to make difficult passes, 585 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 6: make them throw to other receivers. But here's the thing 586 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 6: that is the key. Caleb Williams is the key. If 587 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 6: you're able to make them feel pressured, leave the pocket, 588 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 6: make difficult throws, you're gonna have an opportunity. 589 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 3: Now when we look at. 590 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,680 Speaker 6: The humpers, we're talking about how the Chicago Bears beat 591 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 6: on the Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah, but you also have to 592 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 6: go back to that game and realized the Jaguars pretty 593 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 6: much self imploded. They made a lot of mistakes and 594 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 6: even then the Jaguars, the Jaguars were able to sack 595 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 6: uh Caleb Williams on three occasions. So that tells you 596 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 6: there's an opening for the for this Washington Commander defense 597 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 6: to step up and make big plays. If you limit 598 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 6: Caleb Williams, there is no Dj Moore, there is no 599 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 6: Keenan Allen. 600 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: Make them throw to the rookies, to the to. 601 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 6: The Tyner Scott, to the Carters, to the to the 602 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 6: Jones Junior, and you're gonna give yourself an opportunity. 603 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: I think that's the key. 604 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: You're right, and I think this this, this, this commander's 605 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: pass rush has has slowly risen up the sack ranks 606 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: is here. They I think they they put the pressure 607 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: on Andy Dalton, They've put the pressure on Deshaun Watson. Uh, 608 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: they even got to Lamar Jackson a couple of times. 609 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: It's it's definitely gonna be a big key. 610 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 3: Uh. 611 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: Both of you made excellent points for different reasons, for sure, 612 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: But I think I'm gonna have to go with I'm 613 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: gonna have to go with Alex here because I think 614 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,199 Speaker 1: the secondary is still gonna have to have go with 615 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,719 Speaker 1: the challenge of taking on DJ Moore keeping him from 616 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: getting those big plays. 617 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 2: So, Alex, you are the winner. You've won, You've won 618 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: your first victor in the beat Dom podcast. How does 619 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: that feel? Do you have any party wars a victory 620 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: for us? 621 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,280 Speaker 4: Well, it feels great. 622 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 5: I had to avenge myself after losing to Candy before 623 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 5: the Giants game. 624 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: But I will say I had a very very, very 625 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 4: formidable opponent. 626 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 5: I think if Moist Sasen I did this one hundred times, 627 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 5: one person wins fifty times, the other person wins fifty times. 628 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: So I was honored to go up against the great opponent. 629 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 4: And everybody better listen to his calls on Sunday. 630 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: Yes, please do, because they are all excellent and guy 631 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Alex's Rightley it was. 632 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 2: It was very tough. 633 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: I was down like the last second, okay, probably the 634 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: most competitive debate we've had on the entire show. 635 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: So I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it first time on 636 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 3: the show. It's great. 637 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 6: Congrats Alex, I think you are worthy winner. Before we end, 638 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 6: I just want to also say shout out to someone 639 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 6: we don't mention a lot, but it has done a 640 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 6: great job that there in mathis. 641 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: Niks number ninety eight, always showing up. 642 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 6: One of those dudes that he just makes the play 643 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 6: and you know, he goes his way and pretty much 644 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 6: sometimes we forget about him. 645 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 3: But those are the type of players that make a difference. 646 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 6: So Alex, ingrats, I'll see you on Sunday and hopefully 647 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 6: the Commanders win and it'll be happy. 648 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 2: I mean, for all that is a great way to 649 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,479 Speaker 2: end it. 650 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: Definitely shout out to Fiederia and Mathis and hopefully, as 651 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: Alex and Moys said, we will be looking at a 652 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 1: six and two commander squad. Next time you hear us, 653 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: be sure to rate, review, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. 654 00:29:51,440 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: And this has been the beatdown