1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Control Decond. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: want you to know. Uh. Today's episode begins with a 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: thank you shout out to fellow conspiracy realist Space Shift. 11 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: Space Shift, you reached out to hip us to a 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: strange story that we are, at least I, oddly enough, 13 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: have never heard of. You will most commonly hear this 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: refer to by the moniker Harry Hands. That is not 15 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: a self pleasure joke, but that is a little bit 16 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: of folklore, and that's what this episode is about. Let's 17 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: imagine we're on a road trip together. Here are the facts. 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: Also makes me think of like Charles Charles Dickens villain 19 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: Harry Hands, the evil manager of the orphanage um. But yes, 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: there are in fact facts Revenge of the Harry Hands. Uh. 21 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: So let's imagine we're on a road trip together. We're 22 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: in the UK, kind of in the center of it 23 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: really and heading on down through Devon. We don't know 24 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: much about it, to be honest about Devon, England, but 25 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: it looks gorgeous from Google Maps. Seriously, it looks incredibly gorgeous. Um. 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: And specifically you're in a place called Dartmoor and we're 27 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: riding on this road. It is titled if you look 28 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: at Google Maps B three to one two. Kind of 29 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: a weird name, right, yeah, like a mile marker. Just 30 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: sounds like an interstate right. Oh, yes's right, yeah that 31 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 1: just have different codes over there. But yeah, I think 32 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: that's right. Locally it is referred to as two Bridges Road, 33 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: which sounds like there maybe should be two bridges. Um, 34 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: perhaps that's the case. It's a little dull, centering, but good, good, important, yeah, 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: important to get these these names, these descriptives accurate. But 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: it's not boring. In fact, it's some very strange activity 37 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: of foot uh near those two bridges. Yeah that don't 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: let the boring name fool you. So this is in 39 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: the southwest of England. It's very easy to find maps 40 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: because you know, it's part of the road system. If 41 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: you pull it up, you're going to run into something 42 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed, which are a bunch of very British names. Uh. 43 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: You'll see that B thirty two twelve runs from Moreton 44 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: Hampstead all the way to Yelverton and Yelverton think of 45 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 1: it as sort of a suburb of Plymouth. If you 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: take this route, if you go on a road trip, 47 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: as we are in this cinema of the mind, then 48 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: you will see that B thirty two twelve takes you 49 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: through some very rural areas rural for the United Kingdom 50 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: we mean, and you can drive for kilometers we should say, 51 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: or miles without running into another living person. This is 52 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: a very This is not London, nor is it the 53 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: City of London, which are weird to City of London, 54 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: so weird anyway, this is one of those like enjoy 55 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: the journey drives. There are probably quicker, more efficient ways 56 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: to travel if you are in a hurry. But if 57 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: you go down this stretch, and we do recommend like 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: in the maps, you're gonna see some really beautiful landscapes. 59 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: You're also true story, you're you're more likely to run 60 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: into livestock than you are another person or importantly another motorist. 61 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: But the thing about this stretch of road is back 62 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: at the turn of the twentie century, it became infamous 63 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 1: in England for the number of accidents that were occurring, 64 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: and journalists and people who considered themselves experts were pointing 65 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: out that it didn't make sense for road with this 66 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 1: low level of traffic to have this number of accidents. 67 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: So if you were traveling now, and if you call 68 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: some folks in the area like you did mat, then 69 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: you'll you'll see people are aware of this thing, even 70 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: this idea of harry hands or what we're ridg only 71 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: called unseen hands. Even back in twenty twenty two, um 72 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: folks have said that there's something odd right there in 73 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: their minds, in the minds of the true believers, the 74 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: math just doesn't add up. Think of the middle of 75 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: nowhere roads in your own neck of the Global woods, folks, 76 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: they have fewer accidents right in most cases than the 77 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: very busy roads right in Atlanta, Georgia. There is an 78 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: absolute death trap of interstate connections. I twenty and I 79 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: five go from like four or five lanes to one 80 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: lane to turn off, So it makes sense that there 81 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: would be more accidents there. But if you go outside 82 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 1: in the suburbs and you're talking about two lane roads 83 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: three lane roads, then there should be fewer cars and 84 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: there should be fewer accidents just because there are fewer variables. 85 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: But the locals at Dartmoor they think this road is haunted, 86 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: or some people I think this road is haunted. We're 87 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: gonna have a lot of some people in today's in 88 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 1: today's podcast. To your point, Noel, Yes, two Bridges Road 89 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: because the two bridges, there's also a community called post Bridge. 90 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: It's after the bridge. Yep, Yep, there's pre Bridge. Uh. 91 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: Slightly less interesting because they haven't the experienced the majesty 92 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: of crossing the bridge yet. Um, but yeah, I mean 93 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 1: that's right. Then there's the troll that lives under the bridge, 94 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: presumably the body that the hairy hands belongs to. But 95 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: we'll get to that. And Matt, you found it alternative 96 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: to this legend. But let's get to the original legends. 97 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: Where what are we talking about. We're talking about harry hands, 98 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: we're talking about ghosts, are talking about accidents being caused 99 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: by unseen forces. So let's let's go back to the map, 100 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: because this is not the entirety of the road. For 101 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: this is not We don't want you to think that 102 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: even the true believers are claiming the entire road is haunted. 103 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: That would be like saying the entirety of Root sixty 104 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: six or I forty or I is haunted. This is 105 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: a very specific stretch. So, uh, if you want to 106 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: play along at home, you can pull up the map 107 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: using your browser of choice and let's describe it. So 108 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: let's imagine you're in Plymouth p O Y M O 109 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: U T H which is uh in the southern part 110 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: of the stretch of road we're gonna be talking about, 111 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: and you're heading northeast on two Bridges Road or Bet twelve. Uh, 112 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: it's right by h MP Dartmoor by the way, which 113 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: if you look at on the map, guys, it's incredible. 114 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: It looks like a castle. There's this circular, huge circular. 115 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: It looks to be a concrete wall around owned the like, 116 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: I guess that's the police station. That's the h MP 117 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: would be uh local police, right, Yeah, it's Her Majesty's police. 118 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: Everything in England, as America's as Americans know, is h 119 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: M something nobody fact checked that. Yes, it is Her 120 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: Majesty's Police Dartmoor. Anyway, check it out in your map. 121 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: It's there in Plymouth, uh in Dartmoor, and you're gonna 122 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: head northeast on that two Bridges road until you hit 123 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: Post Bridge. It's only about five miles a five mile 124 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: stretch of road there, and on this road, that specific 125 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: stretch is where this legend takes place, allegedly, allegedly legend. Yes, 126 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: like any other road legendly a legendly a legend. Yeah, 127 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: like any other roadway. Accidents have happened here. Accidents have 128 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: happened on pretty much every road in the era of 129 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: the automobile or internal ushing engine, and they're likely gonna 130 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: happen again because cars are dangerous. Motor vehicles are dangerous. 131 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: Humans aren't really evolved to drive them. I say that 132 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: as a fan of um cars, if not humans. But 133 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: this case is a little different because the true believers 134 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: are claiming it's not speedy, it's not swerving, it's not 135 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: unfamiliarity with a vehicle or with landscape that causes accidents. 136 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: On thirty two twelve, according to folklore sources, I'll call 137 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: them the real cause of all these accidents is something 138 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: very much like a ghost. What are we talking about. 139 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: We'll tell you afterword from our sponsor. Here's where it 140 00:09:53,920 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: gets crazy. So if you love unsolved Mr Ree's, if 141 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:05,199 Speaker 1: you loved all those time life books, and I love them, 142 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: I have an extensive collection, then you might have heard 143 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: of local legends like this. Today it's called Harry hands. 144 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: The story dates back, as we said, earlier, to the 145 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: turn of the twenty century. Sometime around nineteen ten, probably 146 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: more towards spring summer of nineteen folks started saying that 147 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: there was this pair of her hair suit, which is 148 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: just a fancy word for Harry disembodied hands that would 149 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: appear out of nowhere while you were driving or you 150 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: were on a bicycle. Didn't have to be it didn't 151 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: have to be a motor vehicle all the time. You 152 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: would be on a bike on this road, or you'd 153 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: be riding a motorcycle. You might be driving a car, 154 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, out of nowhere, two hands, and 155 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: they have road rage, and all they do no known motivation. 156 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: All they do is grab the wheel and grab the handlebars. 157 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: Unlike other ghosts, they can affect the physical world and 158 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: they swerve you off the road and then they're gone. 159 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: That's like their things that they do. Um. Yeah, like 160 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: the Baba Booye guy. I can't said Babo that was 161 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 1: his whole thing, or like any number of of Rob 162 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: Schneider SNL characters that just like had the one line 163 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: in the one bit, or any of his movies even 164 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: were the one where he's the animal. You know, this 165 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: reminds me of those really creepy hands in Elden Ring. Um, 166 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: when you get to the castle of the School of 167 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: the castle outside of the Magic School, all of a sudden, 168 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: these giant, creepy crawley hands just kind of come at 169 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: you with weird rings and stuff, um, and they're terrifying. 170 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: I would, I would. Can you imagin all of a 171 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: sudden these like Harry hands appear and grab your your 172 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: handlebars or your wheel. Thank you? Yeah, no, thank you, no, 173 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: thank you very much. Uh, because you'd be in such 174 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: I would be, I'm sure as you would be in 175 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: such a crisis of this can't be happening, This can't 176 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: be happening, right, So then if you're steering wheel was 177 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: actually being manipulated in that moment when there's this supernatural 178 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: event occurring. How like, how are you going to react 179 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: to both things at the same time and make sure 180 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: you're safe or your passengers are safe. It's gonna be 181 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: tough for me at least. What's the motivation too that 182 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 1: that gets me? We'll we'll talk about this in a second. 183 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: So now these are known as Harry Hands, but they 184 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: were always known by that appellation. It's it's strange because 185 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: it's there. It's there. One thing, I don't think I 186 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: stuck the landing on the Baba Booey reference. I'm not 187 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: too familiar with Howard Stern, but the we know this 188 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: was considered a local oddity for about a decade, about 189 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: ten to eleven years, and every everybody in a smaller 190 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: town has some sort of story like this, you know 191 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 1: what I mean. Everybody's got a little bit of regional folklore, 192 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of local uh a serving a smattering 193 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: of local legends. We would love to hear yours one 194 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: A three three st d W y t K or 195 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: conspiracy diheart radio dot com. But when you think about 196 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: this in the context of England and the United Kingdom overall, 197 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 1: this is a local oddity, right, It's not national news 198 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: not for the first decade. It doesn't have the chilling 199 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: appeal of something like Jack the Ripper or rumors about 200 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 1: the royal family. And I hate to say this, but 201 00:13:54,679 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: it wasn't more of a story space shift until people 202 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: started dying. This is where things take a darker turn 203 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: into June of there's a there's a place called Dartmoor 204 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: Prison at the time. There's a guy who's working there. 205 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: He's a medical officer. His name is Dr E. H. Helby, 206 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: and he's driving a motorcycle on what we call b 207 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: thirt this motorcycle as a sidecar. The governor of the prison, 208 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: basically the warden of the prison, has two daughters who 209 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: are writing with Dr Helbi and they're just they're just 210 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: two kids in a sidecar. And according to the story, 211 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: Helbi sees the hands but he encounters them under a 212 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: different name by the way, and he has just enough 213 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: time to warn these poor kids in the sidecar and 214 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: he yells jump out of the vehicle. You know, probably 215 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: not that articulate, he's probably just like jump and then 216 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: uh he is uh, he is thrown from the bike. 217 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: It swerves. The kids survived because they were able to 218 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: jump to safety. But poor Dr Helbeat dies instantly. This 219 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: is a tragedy, it's a human life, but it is 220 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: also not quite enough to prime the pump for the legend, 221 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: which is why we go just a few weeks in 222 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: the future, same year August. So this time there was 223 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: a young British Army captain who was known as a 224 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: motorcycle enthusiast. Is very experienced and had written for quite 225 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: some time. UM, and he had an account of an 226 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: incident that he experienced on the stretch of road. He said, 227 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: it was not my fault, believe it or not. Something 228 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: drove me off the road. A pair of hairy hands 229 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: closed over mine. I felt them as plainly as ever 230 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: I felt anything in my life, large muscular, harry hands. Uh. 231 00:15:57,960 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: I fought them for all I was worth, but they 232 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: were too strong for me. They forced the machine into 233 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: the turf at the edge of the road, and I 234 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: knew no more till I came to myself lying a 235 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: few feet away on my face on the turf. UM. 236 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: So you know, we had this death of this medical 237 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: officer weeks beforehand. Uh. This guy's telling this crazy story. 238 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: It starts to get some kind of I don't know 239 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 1: a hacky sort of yellow journalist wheels turning over in London, um, 240 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: and it starts to, you know, get a bit of 241 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: a water cooler conversation going, Well, let's talk about that 242 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: that that guy is an army captain. That guy is 243 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: not you know, he's not gonna be overpowered very easily. 244 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: And in this story that he's telling, like these things 245 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: were stronger than he could manage. That's intense stuff right there. 246 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: If you're talking supernatural strength of some sort, especially given 247 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: that there's no muscles connected to the hands. That I've 248 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: got to say that we know how long it took 249 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: for military personnel here in the States to be comfortable 250 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: even to a small degree talking about encounters they've had 251 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: with you know, U A p S. It strikes me 252 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: as a a little odd this guy would come right out 253 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: and say the story about these large, muscular, hairy hands, 254 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: you know, wrestling the moment, why not just cop to like, Oops, 255 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: I made I made a misque. It seems like a 256 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: really strange thing to come right out with and make 257 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: a statement around Well, let me give you some context 258 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 1: for this quote. And it's context I think gets ignored 259 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: when people are being a little bit overly credulous. The 260 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: folklore is evolving, and it has been evolving up until 261 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and two. The let's get into this way. 262 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: A lot of the attention that gets focused on this 263 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: comes from journalists, writers like Mr T. Gifford. In October, 264 00:17:56,520 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: just a few months after this one guy survives, Gifford 265 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: goes to the area and he is aiming to investigate 266 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: three motor vehicle accidents which are apparently inexplicable in this vicinity. 267 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: I would I would argue that the fact, the fact 268 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: that our unnamed captain survives to talk about his experience, 269 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: whether or not he's being honest, whether with himself or 270 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: with others. Uh, that is more compelling to these journalists 271 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: than a death right, because the death is is one 272 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: story unless they have extenuating circumstances. Um. So this guy 273 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: is investigating this stuff. But here's why we have to 274 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: unpack this quote. At the time, people in Dartmoor as 275 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: well as London are not calling this Harry Hands just yet. 276 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 1: It's like that um, poor girl who was on that 277 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: child pageant show and is now called honey Boo boo 278 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: because she had to catch raise. Someone was being a 279 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: producer about this and they picked up the phrase harry hands. Originally, 280 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:14,199 Speaker 1: this phenomenon was called unseen hands, which means that people 281 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: were encountering a sensation of something taking the wheel, not 282 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 1: a visual experience of something taking the wheel. If we 283 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: go back to that quote from that Army captain, we 284 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: see I don't want to be too synesthesia or sensory 285 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: of sensual. I'm using that correctly here, But he doesn't 286 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: describe seen anything. If you think about it, he describes 287 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 1: fighting a force. If you have ever been in a 288 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 1: vehicle without power steering, I would pose it, then you 289 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: have fought your own pair of unseen hands. And because 290 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: of this, this is where this is where the telephone game, 291 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,400 Speaker 1: you know, really came into play. Because I think most 292 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: people when they're hearing about the story, they're thinking, you know, 293 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: the way cooler visual version, right, You're thinking like these 294 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: crazy yeah, crazy, like uh, what's that guy's name? The 295 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: bad guy and Popeye Blue do Brutish Yeah yeah, but 296 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: you know you're that's the cool idea. We're thinking of 297 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: those hands being there going over yours, you know, like 298 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: an evil version of Jesus take the wheel. But that's 299 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: not really what people were describing initially, that's not what 300 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 1: sparked the hysteria. That's not what what put the gas 301 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: in the folklore. And even if you look back at 302 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: the contemporaneous reporting, communities in the area like people were 303 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: naturally uh, just asking locals for their opinion, and um, 304 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: very various people who are like hilariously old salts, a 305 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: lot of curmudgeons in this area. At least when Gifford 306 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: was interviewing them, they gave quotes that indicated they were 307 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: very skeptical. One guy says, I've known them all my 308 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: life and this is the first time I've heard about 309 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: ghost It's too ridiculous to talk about. We've got another quote. 310 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: I only pulled two I found like and they're all 311 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: They're all people saying they think it's malarkey. I've been 312 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: traveling this road for eighteen years and I've met with 313 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: nothing worse nor myself. And I've written in fogs, no storms, 314 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 1: and all sorts of weather. It's all damn rot to 315 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about ghosts. I love rot. That's great. Uh. Sorry, 316 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 1: I just had to go a little bit. You know, 317 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: you went with the area dight British voice. I had 318 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: to go with the Cockney um, but yeah, I mean 319 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: there's incredulity of bounds, and it does seem like a 320 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: lot of the sort of more hacky journalist that kind 321 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: of picked up the story, uh maybe for their own 322 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: ends in terms of like creating a sort of this 323 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: air of of the supernatural around this place are kind 324 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: of what got the conversation started. One in particular, guy 325 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: named Rufus Endell. Right then, Yeah, Rufus Endell uh is 326 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 1: an author who has written about this in related cases. 327 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: And Rufus is one of the many people who claims 328 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: they've gone to investigate and run and run across these 329 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: ghostly hands themselves. Ingle is interesting to me because he 330 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: is quoted by another author, a guy named Michael Williams, 331 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: who wrote a book called Supernatural Dartmoor. Full disclosure, I 332 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: haven't read the whole thing. I don't know about you guys, 333 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: but Williams claims that this guy Rufus Ingle, who is 334 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: investigating this case, he ran into the hands, he had 335 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: the encounter with the hairy hands. And he didn't just 336 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: describe running into this and successfully avoiding and crash. By 337 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: the way, he begged this other dude, Williams not to 338 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: publish the story. Don't tell anyone, he said, until after 339 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: I have died, because, just like we foreshadowed it earlier 340 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: in this episode, just like a lot of pilots, he's 341 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: terrified of not being taken seriously. So he is taking 342 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: this Harry Hands story to his grave and it will 343 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: be revealed after his death, if you believe Michael Williams, 344 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: which means that you also have to ask yourself if 345 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: you believe rufus Endel, you have to ask a lot 346 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: about belief with these things. And this way, I think 347 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: we pause and put our own hands on the wheel. 348 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: See if we can swerve this story a bit, we'll 349 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: be right back. So for a little bit of a tangent, 350 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: a little bit of a diversion in the road trip 351 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: of today's episode was in a conversation earlier yesterday about 352 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: the theme song of the original Ghostbusters. You know I 353 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: Am afraid no it ghosts right? Uh? What genre is 354 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: that song? Well, um, it's funny. I forget the guy's 355 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: name that composed or that's the joke there. I guess 356 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: that wrote that version. But it was such a close 357 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: copy of I Want a New Drug by Huey Lewis 358 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: and the News that. I believe the courts decided that 359 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: every royalty for that song, uh ever paid out would 360 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: go to Huey Lewis in the news. Um, but it's 361 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of future funk, eighties kind of punk. 362 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 1: I guess it's ghost Corps. I like both of these. 363 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: I like, I'm gonna start telling people that I'm gonna say, guys, 364 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 1: I only listen to Ghost Corps Future funk. Do you gut? 365 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: Do you have any of that at the waffle House jukebox? So, 366 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, we do, and it's about 367 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: waffle House. So there is an ulterior motive for talking 368 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: about the Ghostbuster song because of the evolution that song 369 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 1: went through, which you describe very well. No, Uh, we're 370 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: seeing a We're seeing a spin on ideas, right, pre 371 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: existing ideas, agglomerations, accretions. The story of the Unseen or 372 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: Hairy Hands follows a model of putting a spin on 373 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: a longstanding trope. You don't have to read the entirety 374 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: of Joseph Campbell, you know, I have to sit through 375 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: A Hero with a thousand face is, which is a 376 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: good book, Uh, to know that there are a lot 377 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: of basic story elements that haven't changed for millennia. One 378 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: of those is a stranger ill met on a journey. 379 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: This similar to legends like a ghostly hitchhiker. I I 380 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: posit that over time, over um, over the past century, 381 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: the hairy hands story became very much like an agro 382 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: ghostly hitchhiker. Again, the hairy hands don't They're not like Loudon. 383 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: They don't have uh complex, uh complex past leading them 384 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: to this idea. None of the legends, and I don't 385 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: want to speak for you, guys, none of the legends 386 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: I could find described a plausible origin of the hands 387 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: as an entity. Wasn't there one about a minor? There 388 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: was a the hands were on a pick axe because 389 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: there was a minor that has hands chopped off. Well, 390 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: that came eater, No, No, that came. That came like exactly. 391 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: That's the thing when when I'm saying, like, if you 392 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: look back in the nineties twenties, those stories aren't around. 393 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: They come later, like they come after the report. And 394 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: I saw one um where there you know, it was 395 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: very There are a couple of versions of a kind 396 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: of vague one where it's like this guy died in 397 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: a in a car accident, or in a vehicle accident 398 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: in his fancy new automobile, sipping the Devil's juice gasoline, 399 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: and because he died, he doesn't want anybody else to 400 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: have a good day. Can you tell us more about 401 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 1: the minor thing or where the pick axe came from? 402 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: I just remember when we got the we got the 403 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 1: email in from what What's Who's what's the person's name? 404 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: Space Shift, space Shifts, space Shift. I looked at it and, oh, man, 405 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was something that space Shift 406 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: sent to us, or it was just something in that 407 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 1: initial days research that I swear to you, I can't 408 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: find it right now that we're talking about it, but 409 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: it was. It was a story that was just on 410 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: one of those websites that you know, it's like run 411 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: by an individual or a small group of people, and 412 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 1: it had a story in there about a minor that 413 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: was punished for one reason or another and the guy, 414 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: the individual had very her suit hands and they were 415 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: removed from from his body and they were found like 416 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: still attached to at the have at the entrance to 417 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: this mind, they were still attached to a pick axe. 418 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: H Now, of course, see not that's just me making 419 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: up a legend that it's just maybe it's from a 420 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: completely different story. I'm just pulling into this, So give 421 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: me one moment. I guess we see how easy it 422 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: is to do that, though, I mean, uh, you know, 423 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: I immediately thought of candy Man, you know, the idea 424 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: of this wronged individual, you know, coming back to seek 425 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: revenge on those perceives to be in some way involved 426 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: in the person's misfortune. You know that that's sort of 427 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: the core of a legend like this, And so it's 428 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: really easy using local kind of colloquialisms and details of 429 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: region to kind of fill in the gaps, you know, 430 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: because it's kind of fun to do, even if it's 431 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: not in the best of faith. You know, a lot 432 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: of times these stories do just become campfire stories, and 433 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: that's how they evolve, because that's what stories do. But 434 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: I think to your point, Ben, it is hard to 435 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: find the nugget of you know, truth that led to 436 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: these reports. And I keep coming back to this kind 437 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: of yellow journalism of like it appearing once in like 438 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: a National Enquirer esque kind of publication, and then it's 439 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: something fun for people to talk about. Yeah, as the 440 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: story evolved over time, people started, you know, winding up 441 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: for the rumor mill. That's why you can find all 442 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: these claims that are attempting to retro actively explain this phenomenon. 443 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: But again, the part of the story, the part of 444 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: the legend that people are missing in this evolution of folklore, 445 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: is that Harry Hands originally described a sensation feeling a 446 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: pair of hairy hands on you fighting for control of 447 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: the wheel. These hands were unseen, right, there were hidden hands, 448 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: and uh, folks forgot that because in the mind, the 449 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: image of disembodied hands just floating around, cut off at 450 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 1: the wrist, ruining your day, that's just more compelling, you know, 451 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: It's very ghostbusters. And for being honest, we cannot explain 452 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: the entirety of the legend other than pointing to some 453 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: of those plot twists, which are very, i think, very 454 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: well trod patterns. Someone went with the cooler story and said, 455 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: don't let the facts get in the way. Right, I've 456 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: got I've got an article, do you know? At four 457 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: thirty or whatever they did, they went for the yellow journalism. 458 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: If it bleeds, it leads um And we know that 459 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: the story evolved over time because people want to participate 460 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: in these stories right, um, that you had called some 461 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: folks in the area and they do you want to 462 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about what their takes are? Do 463 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: you want to save that? Yeah? I I called three 464 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: places called the Cherry Brook Bed and Breakfast and self catering. 465 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. Self catering. They make 466 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: the food there, they make the food themselves. Like that's 467 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 1: weird one. I guess it's just for me that implies 468 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: that you would be responsible for their own MUTI maybe 469 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: it's like a buffet, you know. I don't know. Maybe. Well, well, 470 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: I talked to Sue there, and I've got to quote 471 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: from Sue. She said, the little bridge about a mile 472 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: from here, and that's the two bridges that we were 473 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: talking about, Noel. There's two bridges kind of like this, 474 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: two little roads that kind of go around. Um, and 475 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: she says, legend has it when people pass over the 476 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: bridge at night, a pair of hairy hands grabs the 477 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: steering wheel and pulls you off the road. So yeah, 478 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: she just stated what the legend is that we're aware of. 479 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: And in each of these cases, guys, I asked, first, 480 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: are you aware of something a legend called the hairy hands? 481 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: And then could you describe it in your own words, 482 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: just to see how a local would say it, you know, 483 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: like in the Netherlands, have you heard of the Hague? 484 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: Have you heard of the US? Are you worried they're 485 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Just how would you describe 486 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: the relationship? Right? Give them a decision tree, keep it unbiased? Yeah. Um. 487 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: So then I decided to call a pub and I 488 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: thought this would be interesting because I figured, if you've 489 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, got a few pints in you and then 490 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: you are either traveling as a passenger or a driver 491 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: along that stretch of road, maybe this legend is more 492 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 1: at the forefront of your mind or maybe you'd be 493 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: um more easily influenced to imagine something like that is happening. Right, 494 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: So talked to Abby at the Prince of Wales Pub, 495 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 1: which is in Princeton, and Abby said she's aware of 496 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: the legend, but she was talking to uh, quote an 497 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: anonymous local legend at the pub, so like a regular regular. 498 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: That regular described it as quote it comes out on 499 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: a dark evening when driving home from a pub or whatnot, 500 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: grabs hold of the steering wheel and takes you off 501 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: the road, which is interesting to me. You're driving back 502 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: home from the pub again like, okay, I can imagine 503 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: your chances are increased in experiencing the unseen or hairy hands, 504 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: or maybe you just look down you're like, oh those 505 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: are harry hands, my under my hands. Yeah. And then 506 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: last one Kate at Two Bridges Hotel, which is um 507 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: right there at those two bridges, like literally at the 508 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: two bridges that we were talking about here, Kate says, 509 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: now this is different from what I heard at school. 510 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,480 Speaker 1: She was a bit younger, by the way, when walking 511 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: at a certain time of night or if the fog 512 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: was right, the two hands would come up from under 513 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: the bridge and grab your feet. Then you you were lost. 514 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: So this legend of the hairy hands has more to 515 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: do with the two bridges that are there and one 516 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: of the older bridges that if you walk across the 517 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: night you're you're and has nothing to do with driving. 518 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with an unseen force taking over. 519 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: It's like and under the bridge creature. That's interesting to 520 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: me to know. Whence the one that stood out to me? Um, okay, 521 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: So a couple of things. First, self catering is like 522 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: a better Airbnb. Uh, it's you know, you Okay, imagine Airbnb, 523 00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: but also you have the mean is to make your 524 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 1: own meals. Like maybe they put stuff in the fridge 525 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: for you. You know, you've got stuff in the pantry. 526 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 1: Maybe it's just you have a microwave. You know, your 527 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: mileage may vary, folks, just like this story. What happens 528 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: with a lot of these things, based on patterns of 529 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: human behavior is that elements from earlier legends get recycled, reused, 530 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: remixed into newer legends. So again, you know, shout out 531 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: Joseph Campbell, the idea of the monster under the bridge, right, 532 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:44,640 Speaker 1: the monster under your bed? Uh? This this makes sense 533 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: that it would occur in a school environment, people would 534 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: tell that version of this story. And our our question 535 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 1: then is for this iteration these kinds of legends, why 536 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: is on the road right other than other than one 537 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: story that you found, There's there's no one saying you 538 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: can just walk on B thirty two twelve and then 539 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,840 Speaker 1: a pair of harry hands, will you know, grab you 540 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: by the shoulders and spin you around until you're dangerously dizzy. 541 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: You have to be in a vehicle for the vast 542 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: majority of these stories. Uh, And that that I think 543 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 1: is interesting because motor vehicles first start appearing on British 544 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: roads in early nineties or so. But when I say appearing, 545 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: they're appearing the way that um PS five's appeared during 546 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: the pandemic. You know what I mean. They're not super common. 547 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: No way a better uh oh, you know what a 548 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: better example is. They're appearing the way space travel appears 549 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: in the nine sixties, Like you know, people do it. 550 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: You probably yourself have not been on one because you 551 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: know they're like twelve people who have been on one 552 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: and you're not one of that dirty dozen. So motor 553 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: vehicles aren't very common. And even if you go forward 554 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: a couple of decades, when this story occurs, or when 555 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: it really hits its genesis, you see that motor vehicles 556 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: internal combustion engines are still kind of new to the 557 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: common people. They still had that new car smell for 558 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: lack of a better phrase, and I know I rolled 559 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: my eyes tone. This means that the drivers are unfamiliar 560 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: with what's happening. This is a new thing, and this 561 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: new thing means um that stuff you would have dismissed 562 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: earlier now gets reconsidered. Right, cars are magic, and you 563 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 1: can't blame people in the early for thinking so been 564 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: would these roads have been retrofitted for motor vehicle travel 565 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: or would these have been like older roads that have 566 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,879 Speaker 1: been around since, you know, before the advent of the card. 567 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: It feels to me like it would have been the 568 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 1: second one. Yeah, it's the ladder for you nailed it. Yeah, 569 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: they're not What what do you do remake all the roads? 570 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: That's why older cities have those narrow lanes. Yeah, that's right. 571 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: And so there's that the unfamiliarity like you mentioned. And also, Matt, 572 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,319 Speaker 1: I don't think it was you know, for nothing that 573 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: you called a couple of pubs and and and bread 574 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: and bed and breakfast type situations. I mean, you know, 575 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: if you're drinking coming home from the pub, you're a local. 576 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: That's I wouldn't be surprised if that's when some of 577 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: these accidents took place. I'd love to see, like how 578 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: many pubs are there in the area, and what was 579 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: the trajectory to those, you know, for these people that 580 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 1: that that had these you know, these motor vehicular incidents. Yeah. Oh, 581 00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: and to be fair, I did call the Dartmoor Preservation 582 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 1: an association first, then the Princeton or Princetown Community Center, 583 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,240 Speaker 1: and both of them were closing up around four pm 584 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,280 Speaker 1: local times, so they did not answer. And let's humanize 585 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,399 Speaker 1: a little further. If you have ever been in an 586 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: automotive dust up yourself, folks, you know that most people 587 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 1: don't go out of their way to acknowledge when something 588 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: is their fault. Most people are I like to think 589 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: that many people will do the right thing. Um, your 590 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 1: insurance company will tell you not to. By the way, 591 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,680 Speaker 1: don't apologize, don't get out of your car and say 592 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: I'm sorry or anything. It's an admission of guilt, right, right, 593 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: That's exactly it. But so most people aren't going to 594 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: say it is not just human error, it is my 595 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: error placing the blame on something else or someone else, 596 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: even if that is a ghostly again, non visual force 597 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: that I keep sticking on that it's not visual. The 598 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 1: people who are telling the original story did not see hands, 599 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,799 Speaker 1: they felt them, and that's getting missed. Look, it's just 600 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,960 Speaker 1: really attractive to say like, hey, it's not me, it's 601 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: something else. Right, I am a bystander, I'm a victim here, right, 602 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: not a perpetrator. And if you're on the skeptical side, 603 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: of the spectrum. Then you know you doubtlessly agree, fellow listener. Uh, 604 00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: there's also there's also some engineering here that I think 605 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 1: adds to the case, adds to the skeptical nature I 606 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: I think we can say, I don't know. Let me 607 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: let me present this case, and you guys tell me 608 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: what you think. The culprit the origin of the hairy 609 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: hands maybe a combination of high speed vehicles, right, the 610 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: likes of which had not been seen before in this 611 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: part of the world, and engineering to to the earlier 612 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: point about roads being built for different forms of transportation 613 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: in this day, this road, it's a narrow country lane 614 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: and it's got these high walls sides. If you've ever 615 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: seen a race track or like a bike track, then 616 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: you'll see that at times this road has a lot 617 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: of what's called cambers C A, M, B, E R. 618 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,279 Speaker 1: That's the tilt you see on those things. That's why 619 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: your local race track isn't isn't a flat surface to 620 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: get a weird angle to it. So you're going faster 621 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,919 Speaker 1: than you've ever gone before, and the road is got 622 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: this weird tilt. These different lanes right, and you are, 623 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: you are turning, you're following the lane all of a sudden, 624 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: unseen force happens. That just might be that just might 625 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 1: be the tires and the road, uh negotiating, right, And 626 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: if you are unfamiliar with this stuff, then it feels 627 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,840 Speaker 1: very much like someone is negotiating against you. Who whose 628 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: hands are these? Why are there other hands pushing against 629 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,319 Speaker 1: me on the steering wheel or the handlebars? That I 630 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 1: think explains a lot of it. And I wish, I 631 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,080 Speaker 1: wish that there were explanations of visual hands, but they're 632 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 1: just not there in the original stories. It's a force, Yeah, 633 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: I think. I think that's probably the most skeptical, realistic 634 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: probable thing ben that because of how the unseen forces 635 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: described and because of the physical forces being exerted on 636 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: each other. I love that negotiating with the the tires 637 00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: and the the track or the road or whatever. Um. 638 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,560 Speaker 1: I want to present you guys a one more possible explanation, 639 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: just because of the introduction of large, heavy metal, metal 640 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,919 Speaker 1: vehicles other than horses and buggies and other things like that, 641 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: what if there's a an anomaly of sorts that's occurring 642 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: right in that stretch of road that is magnetic in 643 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,320 Speaker 1: nature and is pulling upon these vehicles in a way 644 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: that you know is unseen. Guys. Huh huh, A giant 645 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,239 Speaker 1: fridge magnet. It's interesting, you see that, because there was 646 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: I swear I was thinking about this, and I I'm 647 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: not around, I'm you know, saw on the road, so 648 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: I haven't looked into it. But there was an account 649 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,880 Speaker 1: I read many many years ago where a person claimed 650 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:44,560 Speaker 1: to have prevented a bunch of accidents on a haunted 651 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:49,919 Speaker 1: stretch of road by taking a box of copper stars 652 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 1: the metal copper popped into these star shapes, and burying 653 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: that box in a specific area where these road act 654 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 1: incidents were occurring. I'm gonna find this if you can 655 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,600 Speaker 1: beat me to it. Folks, please right in, because this 656 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: is poor choice of words. This is haunting me for 657 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,319 Speaker 1: a bit, the magnetism thing, though I like it, and 658 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: I want you to know there's there are other there 659 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: are people who have argued something very similar. Man, I 660 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,919 Speaker 1: don't know if it was for this, though. I've got 661 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,439 Speaker 1: to figure it out. So here's the alternative. Right, you've 662 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: just you just ate some pavement, right, You made a 663 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: rookie mistake. You were not quite the evil Kinevil you 664 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,799 Speaker 1: thought you were. Are you going to tell people I 665 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: honestly overestimated my abilities. Are you what would you do 666 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 1: to be not embarrassed? Because it looks like in a 667 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: couple of cases, if you know about the local legend, 668 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,000 Speaker 1: some folks have decided to say it wasn't me, it 669 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,440 Speaker 1: was the hands. Yeah, I can imagine the army captain 670 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: doing that specifically, just that that would be embarrassing, right, 671 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,279 Speaker 1: and that as in a crasher motorcycle. I think I'd 672 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,720 Speaker 1: be more embarrassed to say that it was disembodied hairy 673 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 1: hands though, to be fair, Yeah, I mean, and he 674 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: may have even just been described Yeah, no, I'm with you. 675 00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 1: He may have even just been describing the sensation and 676 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: someone took him literally, you know what I mean, like 677 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,840 Speaker 1: he he may have Think again, back to journalism, a 678 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: little bit of editorial, a little bit of editorial parkour, 679 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,919 Speaker 1: and you can you could just remove the phrase as 680 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,239 Speaker 1: if it felt as if a pair of hands and 681 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 1: now you just put a pair of hands grabbed me. 682 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed this episode. 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