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People singing 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: outside of Notre Dame Cathedral last night in France. Yeah, 12 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: and the terrible fires tragic on a number of different levels. 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: It occurs that a really interesting piv a time in 14 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: French history. Uh and Ian Bremer, President, founder of the 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: Eurasia Group. Who better to discuss this with the Eurasia Group, 16 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: leading global political risk research and consulting firm on Earth. 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: Ian welcome, how are you, sir, gentlemen? Good to be 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: with you, so listen. We're we're both international relations freaks 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: around here. Um and and have been watching France with 20 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: great interest. The Yellow vest movement and the violence and 21 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: the growing Islamic population and the tension there. I've read Submission, right, yeah, 22 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: and and and then Notre Dame Cathedral burns down in 23 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: the midst of a heck of a lot of unrest. 24 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: How does that fit in? Do you think it will 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: have effects? I've read Submission as well. First of all, 26 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: that's a that's a great intro, right, because I think 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: we should probably let the audience know about it. Um 28 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: was number one book in France fiction a few years ago, 29 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: and it was about what would happen if France became 30 00:01:55,560 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: this dystopian government controlled by Islamic radicals. And I found 31 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: the book remarkably subtle in its predictions to it's it's 32 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: it's very matter of fact. Um. But anyway, how does 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: that factor in the factors in? Because France is having 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: a terrible time of it, even the context of Europe, 35 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: which is not experiencing a lot of economic growth and 36 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: has had all of this populism nationalism, it's been worse 37 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: in France. I mean, you remember that Charlie at Bow killings. 38 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: There's been a lot of terrorist violence since November. Every 39 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: weekend you've had these yellow vest movements on the streets 40 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: in Paris and in other cities, and a lot of violence. 41 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, I wish you could say 42 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: that yesterday was the only time we saw Paris and flames, 43 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: but you know, the shops douse A a few weeks 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: ago was in flames, and I mean, you know, massive 45 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: amounts of damage being done, and tourism into France has 46 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: taken enormous hit. It's certain the economy. So this has 47 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: been a really challenging time and the President Marcan at 48 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: his approval getings pushed down into the low twenties UM 49 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: as a consequence of it. UM. And and then on 50 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: top of that, yesterday you see, you know, Frances I 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: mean most certainly, I mean that the Eiffel Tower, I mean, 52 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: the most recognizable UM monuments in the country, critical to 53 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: national identity and uh and you see the spire coming down. 54 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: So I mean, obviously the collective gut punch to this 55 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: nation was extraordinary. Um. And yet there's actually a real 56 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: surver lining here. Well I want to hear that well, 57 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 1: which is that it gives him a kron An opportunity 58 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: to be a leader again, to bring the country together again. 59 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is not nine eleven for France obviously, 60 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: and thank god for that. But still it's something where 61 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: the people for a moment feel unified. This is something 62 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: that they together are all going to rebuilding. Macran from 63 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: lead that moment and inspiring speech children because thank god 64 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: it was an accident. Um, then everybody can get behind 65 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: that side and nobody died. And by the way, the 66 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: thing is still standing, so I mean they can actually 67 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: rebuilt it. It's not getting raised to the ground. And 68 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: this weekend, I mean, the funny thing is yesterday Macron. 69 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys were following this, but 70 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Macon is for the last two months been doing this 71 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: grand listening tour where he's literally gone from town to 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: town to town and spent hours upon hours at a 73 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 1: time listening um to the complaints of mostly older French 74 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: citizens but a pretty wide demographic um swath. And then 75 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: he's been responding and he was about to give his 76 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: big speech where he was going to outline where, where, 77 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: what he was going to do, how the country was 78 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: going to move forward, and the yellow vests had already 79 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: before even hearing what he was going to say, had 80 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: already rejected and they were going to have bigger demonstrations 81 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,679 Speaker 1: this weekend. Well, now obviously he canceled that speech, and 82 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: either the Yellow Vests are going to they should cancel 83 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: their demonstrations um, in which case there's some time form 84 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: a crown to actually build some momentum for something constructive 85 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: in the country, because I mean, he's the one with 86 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 1: a with a positive agenda, whether it's you know, whether 87 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: it's popular or not. The Yellow Vests are just reacting 88 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: and negative and tearing things down, or they decide to 89 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: continue with their demonstrations this weekend and they will lose 90 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of support. So I mean, either way, frankly, 91 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: this could end up being the kick in the pants 92 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: that the French people and the French president really need. 93 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Ian Bremer, president and founder of Eurisia group on the line, 94 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: tell us a little more about the Yellow Vest movement. 95 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: I've heard you say that they're not in favor of anything, 96 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: they're just kind of generalized complaining. But do they have 97 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: an animating cause of particular issue. I was going to 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: ask if you could put the France is whatever they 99 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: got going on right now in any context that we 100 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: understand in America, it's like the conservatives and liberals or 101 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: legal immigration are just some contexts we get. Yeah, I 102 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: can if you remember back when we had the old 103 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: w t O meetings in Seattle and there were these 104 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: massive anti globalization protesters that remember they were, you know, 105 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of destroying Starbucks servings like that, right, But I mean, 106 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: so it was this big group of angry, mostly young people. 107 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: There were save the whales types, there were anti nuclear 108 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: weapons and anti nuclear power types. There were hard committed anarchists. 109 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: There was anti free trade movement. I mean, there were 110 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: a list of grievances as long as your arm um. 111 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: But there was no leadership and there was no agenda 112 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: that they particularly agreed on. And they were from the 113 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: fringes of both the far left, the far right, and 114 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: frankly a bunch of Neilists too. And that's kind of 115 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: what the yellow vest movement is like. They're people that 116 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: are deeply upset at the establishments, such as you can 117 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: define them. Would imagine if you took AOC and Bernie 118 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: Sanders and Donald Trump and then Alex Jones and a 119 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: bunch of others for good measure, and just threw them 120 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: all together and say, let's let's see what we get. Um, 121 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: but one thing they're not going to get is they're 122 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: not going to be very successful in European elections, which 123 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: they're standing for UM in May. And mccron already looked 124 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: like he was probably going to pick up a little 125 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: bit as a consequence. Boy, it's interesting. I was reading 126 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: about the French Revolution last night, just coincidentally, uh, in 127 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: a different book, and UM, you know the history around 128 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: the world of people just being angry at what is 129 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: in just angry. I'm gonna tear stuff down and I 130 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: want things to be different, And particularly in France, it's 131 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: there's a little troubling about where it could go. Yeah, 132 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: but the society also has a lot more history and 133 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: a lot more tolerance of significant social demonstrations. I mean, 134 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, anyone that tries to travel by plane to France, 135 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: UM has on several occasions over the last twenty years, 136 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: had to deal with nationwide pilot strikes and and and 137 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: workers strikes. Um. You go back to the sixties and 138 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean the the real the violence before it came 139 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: to the US, before it came to the UK. Um, 140 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: it was the Sorbonne. I mean that this this is 141 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: where you had UM, serious grassroots street protests that broke 142 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: into UM broken to riots. UM. And you know, as 143 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: I said, over the course of the past months, I 144 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: mean you, frequently you would see lots of cars being 145 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: set on fire, and the kind of thing that brings 146 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: us back to the la riots in the United States 147 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: not not really considered all that exceptional or unusual. In France. 148 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,319 Speaker 1: It's kind of the way people protests. So I mean 149 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: in that regard, there's a lot of resilience in France. 150 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of institutional capacity to accept things that 151 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: we would consider to be revolutionary and sort of move on. 152 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: If you if I were going to be opening a 153 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: subsidiary in France, and I said to you, Ian Bremer, listen, 154 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: I've heard there's a lot of tension between Muslim immigrants 155 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: and and other French people in the government. What's going 156 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: on there? How would you describe it to me? Um, 157 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: It's certainly true that the anti immigrant sentiment in France 158 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: is very high. Um. About six percent of the population 159 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: is Muslim, which is quite high in the context of 160 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: a quot unquote Western society the United States more like one. UM. 161 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: And when you ask the French what the percentage is, 162 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: they respond, it's a herd, and I mean, which is 163 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: traces like where would you keep these people? Right? But 164 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: there is this sense, and this is what came from 165 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: this book submission, Right, there's this sense that the Muslims 166 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: are everywhere they lived together, they don't integrate, they don't 167 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: speak proper French, they don't make proper baguets, they don't 168 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: understand French culture, and we don't want them. And they've 169 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: been coming over very large numbers, right. Um. And you know, 170 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: some of this is the response to France's colonial past, 171 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: where they, you know, sort of took over a lot 172 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: of the a decent swath of Africa. Um and uh. 173 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: And now those a lot of those citizens have the 174 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to come to France and live and work, some 175 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: of them very successfully, a lot of them not very successfully. 176 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: How Uh. Final question is we run out of time? 177 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: How active is the fake news business or the conspiracy 178 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: world there in France? As in, is there a chunk 179 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: of the population that will believe it was Yellow vestors 180 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: no matter what the authorities say, that set a fire 181 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: in the cathedral, or is there a chunk of the 182 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: population that believe the government did it to make Muslims 183 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: look bad? Or whatever, you know, that sort of thing. 184 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: I would say, it's no worse than the United States, 185 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: and that's not a very kind thing to say. Um, yeah, 186 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: I get it. But at the same time, I mean, 187 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: most Americans are not predisposed to conspiracy theories. It is 188 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: not like Egypt, it's not like Russia. But I would 189 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: also not India, where they think you get a phone 190 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: call in your testicles are gonna fall off, or whatever 191 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: that rumor was. I think that story un from you 192 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: guys can't take two. I already gave one to capitalism. 193 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: But but um, you know, when when you asked, when 194 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: you ask where the friends are going? Let's also recognize 195 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: the Russians have played a very significant role in disinformation 196 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: and funding um of the Yellow Best movement and of 197 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 1: the National Front and France, and that is something people 198 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: in America don't talk much about. Wow, that is a 199 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: great final note and one to follow up on at 200 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: some point in the future. Ian Bremmer, President, founder of 201 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: the Eurasia Group. Ian, Hey, thanks a million for the time. 202 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: We know how busy you are, stay intact and yours. 203 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: That's a good I might put that at the bottom 204 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: of my emails from here. On that. Wow. So a 205 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,679 Speaker 1: couple of thoughts to recap if you two boys are 206 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: done with your little jokes. UM. The Russian note at 207 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: the end is absolutely worth pointing out. Putin is trying 208 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: as hard as he can to help France disintegrate. UM. 209 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: A second note on the whole six percent. But you 210 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: ask a lot of French people how many Muslims are 211 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: there are and they say that would be easil easy 212 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: to UM to say that's paranoia or anti immigrant, um 213 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 1: bias whatever. I would make the counterpoint, and this may 214 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: not necessarily be true, but it's worth considering that that 215 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: six percent has an outsized influence and has caused change 216 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: beyond their numbers. Sure, absolutely absolutely, as it has in 217 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: this country with introducing a different language and everything. Right, 218 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: you can you can talk about the percentages, or you 219 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: can talk about, for instance, just a legal immigration in 220 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: the United States. The change that it's done in your 221 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 1: school or your e er, right, is beyond the percentage 222 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 1: of the population, right, Yeah, exactly. UM. So yeah, that 223 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: that whole six is really really interesting. But I don't 224 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: think it's as simple as some people might. Do you 225 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: recommend do you recommend the book submission? I do to anybody. 226 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: I think it's so damned interesting. Absolutely, it's it's great. 227 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't what I expected it to be. It's incredibly reasonable. 228 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: My guy named Welbeck spelled with an H and look 229 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: it up. You'll find it blot al beck. Um, you're 230 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: listening to the Armstrong and Getty shilling the conscience of 231 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: the nation.