1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: Michael Pronseisee is the fellow who was a former mobster, 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: and the story goes that he was enrolled in a 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: pre med program at Hofstra University but was given the 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to make some money for his family and his 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: father had just been sentenced to fifty years in prison 6 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: for bank robbery. This was nineteen sixty seven, and so 7 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: fronseise story goes, put in place a scheme to defraud 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: the federal government out of gasoline taxes in the early eighties, 9 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: at the age of thirty five. In nineteen eighty six, 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Fortune magazine listed froanseise as number eighteen on the list 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: of the fifty most wealthy and powerful mafia Bosses. 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Why do I tell you all. 13 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 3: Of this. 14 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: Because he was He was Bill Maher's guest on a 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: podcast he does called Club Random. Bill Maher is an 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: interesting cat because he is a classic white liberal and 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: people will get angry at me because they fall in 18 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: love with him because he says something about Obama mouthing 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: off for Biden being braindead or Kamala you know, being whatever, 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: And people get excited because our side loves it when 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: the other side says something that we agree with and 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: you have to be careful with that. That's how you 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: end up with bad Republicans because they know how to 24 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: push your button, because you get this validation when they 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 1: say something with which you agree. But anyway, he was 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: on this podcast with Bill Maher and he made a 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: statement I think was pretty good. And here's a guy 28 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 1: who understands crime. He was part of a criminal network, 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: and he says that the worst thing that Biden did 30 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: as president, of all the things, was to leave the 31 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: border open. And he's talking about all of the crimes 32 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: that filtered into this country that are so bedded down 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: like a tick in our country today. And I think 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: he speaks from a position of great authority when he 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: says this. 36 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: I think he's right. 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: This goes back to what I said about the worst 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: thing Biden did. He just gave into every bad impulse 39 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: from the fringe. 40 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 4: That's not the worst thing Biden did. 41 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,839 Speaker 3: Okay, said the worst. Asked for an answer with the worst, no, no, no, no. 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 4: Forget about him stealing the money and being treason it 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: is that was as a vice president. Well, okay, if 44 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: it's come back to when I was being nice no 45 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 4: Trump and saying no, no, no, no, before you say that 46 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 4: the worst thing Joe Biden did. The guy's got blood 47 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 4: on his hands for what he did at the border. 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 4: And a lot of people come in here to kill 49 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 4: people in this country. 50 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 3: He did a terrible job with the border. Is it 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 3: enough that I agree with that? Okay? 52 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 4: Why did he do it? Because he wanted to turn 53 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 4: every state blue. There was no other reason for it, 54 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 4: and so they would never lose another allow these people, 55 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 4: that's fair. 56 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's so much as it is 57 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 3: something even worse that, let's hear it. Oh yeah, that well, 58 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 3: the left, the big their big their biggest problem. I 59 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 3: think they have many psychologically, but one is the the 60 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 3: you know, wine sipping liberals, the white liberals, the white liberals. 61 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 3: This is mostly they just have this crazy need to 62 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,639 Speaker 3: beat themselves up about race in ways they do. 63 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,679 Speaker 4: That's it's so part of their identity. 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 3: And of course it's so hypocriticals, like if you really 65 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 3: feel that bad, go switch houses with somebody in comfort. 66 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: I'm sure you don't live in your house in the 67 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: valley and you could live and that happen. No, of 68 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 3: course none. But so that's the thing is that they 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: did not want to be They so don't want to 70 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: be seen as racist, that it's somehow in their there. 71 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: This is again what they do that's so infuriating. They 72 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: go to the ultimate end of what's counterintuitive. Often we're 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: just dumb, and they go all the way to, well, 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: then we can't stop anybody from coming into the country 75 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: because that would be racist, and that's not racist, it's 76 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: just what every country has to do. 77 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: I hear you, and I appreciate that, but I don't 78 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: believe that that that they worried so much about that 79 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: these people. 80 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 3: They are trust me, this is my people. These are 81 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: my people. 82 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 4: Well know that the I know these people, Bill, They're 83 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: not even your people anymore, because you've said it right, 84 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 4: you haven't changed, the party has changed. 85 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: They're not your people. What I mean is there are 86 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: people I know because I live here amid show business 87 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 3: in Hollywood, and I'll admit this to show business and 88 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: our community is the epicenter of the problem. It is worthy. 89 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 3: It's where the stupidity is deepest about this kind of stuff. 90 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a proud liberal. 91 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 4: But do you think they really care about these people 92 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: that they they're bleeding hearts and they needed to come here. 93 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 3: What they and no, I'm not saying they do. I'm 94 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 3: not arguing with you. Now. What I'm saying is similar 95 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 3: to what you're saying. It's so important to their identity. 96 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: They're what I call liberals in theory because I see 97 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: how some of them act like in day to day 98 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: with people with their assistance, that kind of stuff, and 99 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 3: it's so not liberal. It's it's just so and and 100 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: and you know, born to the manor, and you know 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: they're often very well to do and not afraid to 102 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: spend their money on the stupidest things. So, yeah, they're hypocrites. 103 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 3: Come on, they're such hypocrites, thank you. Yeah, yeah, they 104 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 3: really are. You don't have to know. Biden couldn't give it. 105 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: If Biden, if he showed anything about a sliver of 106 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: people here, we're not talking about all. 107 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: Differ He's at the head of the he was at 108 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 4: the head for four years. 109 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: Can And that's why the Democrats lost because they they 110 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 3: lost their touch with their own voters. They lost because 111 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: they're polishing their own vulnerable right, and they still haven't 112 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 3: gotten it because they're still fighting. There's still the the 113 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: We're going to probably talk about this on my show Friday, 114 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: the new head of the Democratic Committee, is it. And 115 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 3: they started the meeting like, okay, we have to We 116 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 3: lost an election terribly to the guy we could never win. Okay, 117 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: and he did it again. Okay, so we need a 118 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: new leader and a new way of doing things. But 119 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: first we must acknowledge that we are sitting on land 120 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: that was properly owning by the Chamash people. You're idiots, 121 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: you know. I did a whole bit on it in 122 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 3: my special, like really, either shut the upper give it back. 123 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: Those are the only two choices, and you don't want 124 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: to give it back. Okay. 125 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 4: So my theory and I think it's based on sound foundation. 126 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 4: The only reason he opened up the boarder didn't care 127 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 4: who came in, who killed who, whose taxpayer money went 128 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 4: to spend it. He didn't care make every state blue. 129 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: That's it, You never mean that's that's again. The reason 130 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: why I believe you think that is because I have 131 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 4: a pretty good idea of what media you listen to. 132 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 4: So that's the kind of thing they say, and there 133 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: may be some truth to that, but you know, first 134 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 4: of what, it's a bad idea. You know why, because 135 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 4: the Latinos are voting for Trump now, but. 136 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 3: They didn't know that they were so bad. I understand 137 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: thought it was going to go the other way. You're right, 138 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: he was going to go the other way. I'm not 139 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 3: sure that was the I think it's more the other 140 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 3: thing is we're not racist. Everyone should come here. 141 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, everyone should come here, and every taxpayer should 142 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: should take that. They didn't know, they didn't calculate anything. 143 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 3: As with everything, there's a sane middle ground. I mean 144 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: like when Trump says there are the rips, the criminals, 145 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: and they're reading they're reading the dogs. Okay, well they do. 146 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: We don't like it's sound funny, like nobody will just 147 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 3: come to the middle. Like absolutely most immigrants just want 148 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 3: a job and they're law abiding. But also you know 149 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 3: that that Venezuelan gang is not a boy band. You 150 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: know that I don't want them in my country. 151 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: You're listening to Michael Berry show. 152 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: We talked about the crazy liberals in California, but did 153 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: you know we have crazy liberals right here in Texas 154 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: And they had infiltrated the Texas State Historical Association until 155 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: our friend Judge Wise did something about it. He has 156 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: a great podcast called Wise on Texas. We spoke to 157 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: him yesterday, and you're going. 158 00:07:58,840 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: To want to hear this. 159 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: So when Elon and Doze started going into the federal government, 160 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: they started saying, hey, look, we're not going to do 161 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: any of this nonsense round and they found that the 162 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: federal government employees were working against them. When the President 163 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: issued the executive order that there will be no more DEI, 164 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: because that's what caused so much of our government to die. 165 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: And then we found out in short order that these bureaucrats, 166 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: they think it's their government. They don't believe you the 167 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: people should run things. They think, well, we'll just rename 168 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: things and then it won't be DEI. I often get emails, 169 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: and after the speech on Tuesday night, I did from 170 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: people who say, Czar, what's going on in Texas? You 171 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: got Jasmine Crockett, You've got Al Green making a fool 172 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: of himself, and you've got Dan Crenshaw, the Republican, he's 173 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: as bad as the Democrats. What is going on? And 174 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: I say, listen, let me tell you something. There are 175 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: real Texans and then there's everybody else. And we've got 176 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: our liberals too, and they are everywhere. I give you 177 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: a great example. So earlier today I call a friend 178 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: of mine. His name is Ken Wise, and I knew 179 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: Ken long before he was a very very very well respected, 180 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: beloved judge, but he was always a Texas history nut. 181 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: In fact, I had not seen Lonesome Dove. And most 182 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: of you know that Ramone's children are named Oliver McCrae 183 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Robless and July Augustus Robless. And if you've seen Lonesome Dove, 184 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: you understand. So my friend Ken Wise, who was just 185 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: a big shot at a law firm at the time. 186 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: He and I shared a mentor fellow by the name 187 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: of Walter Zivley, and we were among the group known. 188 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: As Walter's Boys. 189 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: I played tennis with Walter in the mornings at six 190 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: o'clock at the met Downtown in downtown Houston, and Ken 191 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: went out to his ranch and they hunted together. We 192 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: all had our own relationship with Walter, who was a 193 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: father figure and mentor and so much to all of us. 194 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: We lost him, but so Ken and I as fellow 195 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: Walter Zivly Boys, and I knew Ken's dad, Jim Wise, 196 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: because he was a big deal at University of Houston 197 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: when I was there. So Ken and I got to 198 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: be very very very close friends, and we each kind 199 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: of rose up in our careers and stayed friends through 200 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: it all. 201 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: He was always a. 202 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Texas history nut, and he was always learned reading, writing, 203 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: thinking about it. And he ended up creating a podcast 204 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: that has just exploded in popularity, and it's called Wyse 205 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: on Texas and it's Ken Wise talking about Texas. And 206 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: even though he became a judge, which is a full 207 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: time job in and of itself, he indulged his passion 208 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: for Texas history. And he's a great storyteller. So if 209 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: you have not heard his podcast, it's called Whys on Texas. 210 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: It's all about Texas history. It's not a money making thing. 211 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: He's got a day job. He already, like a priest, 212 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: took pay cut to be a judge in the first place. 213 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: He was making a lot of money as a lawyer. 214 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: But so I called him today because Texans know that 215 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: March sixth is a very important day in Texas history, 216 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: the Alamo fell. My son's name's Crockett because of Davy Crockett. 217 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: I mean, we're kind of into this. My wife was 218 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 1: a one hundred ninth Secretary of State in the grate 219 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: State of Texas. The first Secretary of State was Stephen F. 220 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: Austin. 221 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: She sat at his desk. I mean, we're kind of 222 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: really into Texas. Texans are really really into Texas. Sorry, 223 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: everybody outside of Texas, you got to hear this. But 224 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,319 Speaker 1: there is a point that is relevant to each and 225 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: every one of you. It's going to tie up the 226 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: two things I just talked about. So I call him 227 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,719 Speaker 1: on the day of the Fall of Texas at the 228 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: Alamo to get his thoughts and considerations. And he has 229 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: been the president of the State Historical Society, so I 230 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: was calling him to talk to about all that in Alamo, 231 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,960 Speaker 1: and he said, well, you might not know this, but 232 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: in my term as president, there were some woke folk 233 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: in the Texas Historical Society that would blow your mind 234 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: that in the state of Texas these people had because 235 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: when you take people's history away from them, when you 236 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: pervert their history, you pervert their children. And in twenty years, 237 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: you know the line, you own them. Lincoln had a 238 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: great phrase about that. So we have to be careful 239 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: what's going on not only in our schools, but even 240 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: in the Texas State Historical Society, a state that should 241 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: be the most conservative in the Union. Well, I have 242 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 1: invited him on to tell that story and to tell 243 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: about the Alamo. Judge Wise, why don't you first describe. 244 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: You've got about two minutes left in this segment, so 245 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: in two minutes, tell America what happened at the Alamo 246 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: and why it matters. 247 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 5: Well, Michael, great to be on with you. I think 248 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 5: the main Palomo was under siege for many days. This 249 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 5: was Santa Anna marching in to put down the rebellious Texans, 250 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 5: as he had done in several other provinces of Mexico. 251 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 5: Texas was merely one area of Mexico that was in 252 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 5: revolution at the time. So he marches person he's President 253 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 5: of Mexico in the community. General of the Army marches personally. 254 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 5: The San Antonio de Bejar and the Texans went into 255 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 5: the Alamo, which was the only which had become a 256 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 5: fort and they hold up there, and Santa Anas surrounded 257 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 5: him and raised a red flag on San Fernando Cathedral 258 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 5: indicating that everybody would be killed le siege hood. And 259 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 5: on March sixth, early early in the morning, before dawn, 260 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 5: they did the final assault against the Alamo, and despite 261 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 5: fighting bravely, all of the Texans were killed the fighters, 262 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: and that's what that happened on March sixth, eighteen thirty six. 263 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: Including Davy Crockett. 264 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: Why is David Crockett important? 265 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 5: Including David Crockett and what's fascinating about Crockett? Of his 266 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: dreams the paper have been used to write to speculate 267 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 5: about how he died. The popular idea is that he 268 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 5: died fighting, and he was swinging his rifle at the 269 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 5: swinging his unloaded rifle at the Mexican troops. And there's 270 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 5: another account from a Mexican officer that claims that he 271 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 5: was captured and executed, and there are other accounts to 272 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 5: claim he's surrendered. Books have been written about that. As 273 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 5: recently as twenty twenty five. There's a new book out 274 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 5: about it. So in the new book concludes that he 275 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 5: died fighting. The point, of course, is not specifically how 276 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 5: he died. The point is that he did, as did 277 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 5: almost two hundred others well. 278 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: And he has been described, like Daniel Boone, as one 279 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: of the first great American heroes west of the Mississippi, 280 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: when you get past the Founders and before the Civil 281 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: War of this character that became the American frontiersman. As 282 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: you know and uh, I mean that's that's the spirit 283 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: I fell in love with more even than the Alamo, 284 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: was the David Crockett, which is what his real name was. 285 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: We call him David Crockett the Alamo. I mean the 286 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: the David Crockett of that that New York put a 287 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: play on that he went to see, the David Crockett 288 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: that was the most conscientious congressman of his day. Folks, 289 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: look that story up. We'll talk to Judge ken Wise. 290 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: But the reason I had him on was to tell 291 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: a story that you won't believe could happen at the 292 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: Texas State Historical Society, in the most conservative state, in 293 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: the historical society of a conservative history. How that thing 294 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: had run him up. Wokeism has infiltrated every sinew of 295 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: our society, and this story is going to be a 296 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: great example. 297 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: This is the Michael Berry Show. 298 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,800 Speaker 1: Judge ken Wise just stepped down a week or so 299 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: ago from being the president of the Texas State Historical Society, 300 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: and I've asked him to share this story with you 301 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: to understand that in every aspect of American society, wokeism 302 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: has infiltrated. It has managed to seep like sewage into 303 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: every aspect of our lives, our schools, our churches, our organizations, 304 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: our hoa's, our little leagues, every bit of it. Judge 305 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: ken Wise, why don't you tell us what you and 306 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: I think JP were up against in of all places, 307 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: the Texas State Historical Society. 308 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 5: Well, will let me begin. First of all, I hate 309 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 5: to do this to you, but I am a judge, 310 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 5: so I get to do this. It's the Texas State 311 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 5: Historical Association. 312 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: That's the same thing your honor founded, objection. 313 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 5: Overruled, overruled, It's the same. It was founded in eighteen 314 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 5: ninety seven. And that's an important story because George Garrison 315 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 5: was the history professor, the only one at the University 316 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: of Texas, and he decided that Texas needed to organize 317 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 5: and preserve its history because by eighteen ninety seven we'd 318 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 5: had a lot of it and it was very interesting 319 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 5: and it is unique among the fifty states. And so 320 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 5: he gathered some political leaders. He gathered people like Orn Roberts, 321 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 5: who had been governor in chief Justice of the Supreme Court. 322 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 5: He gathered some ladies. He gathered ripped Forward, who was 323 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 5: a famous Indian fighter and Texas ranger, and other and 324 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 5: Guy Bryan, who was an early Texas settler, very prominent citizen, 325 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 5: and what he realized was Texans are different about our history. 326 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 5: We are much more zealous in guarding our history because 327 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 5: it affects the development and present state of our society. 328 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 5: That spirit of Texas that I love so much and 329 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 5: I know you do too, and we talk about and 330 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 5: think about that is a direct result of the unique 331 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 5: history of Texas. So not only is it important to 332 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 5: apply the discipline of academic history to our historical preservation, 333 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 5: but it's also in important to include people who are 334 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 5: not academic historians, because not only is it just as important, 335 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 5: they are also very eager and enthusiastic and capable about 336 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 5: promoting and celebrating our history. Professor Garrison knew that, and 337 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 5: so he brought that combined group together to form the 338 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 5: Texas State Historical Association. And through our entire history, it 339 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 5: has been combined between people who just love history for 340 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 5: history's sake and people who practice academic history. And unfortunately, 341 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 5: in some recent years, just a few people really got 342 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 5: that off track and started to claim that they were 343 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 5: the only ones that knew what history is about and 344 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 5: how to do it, and all that sort of thing, 345 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 5: and that's just not true. And they happened to share 346 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 5: the philosophy that you just described, which is poisonous. And 347 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 5: so some conduct occur that was in violation of our 348 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 5: bylaws and it was intentional, and they were warned against it, 349 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 5: and including by me personally, because I you know, I've 350 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 5: been to Judge twenty two years. I know exactly how 351 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 5: these things play out. And we didn't want the Association 352 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 5: to have to be in a courtroom. But in twenty 353 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 5: twenty three, the Association was in a courtroom. There was 354 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 5: no other option. And our executive director JP Bryant has 355 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 5: done more to preserve Texas history than any single individual 356 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 5: in this state. You know, he was our executive director 357 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 5: at the invitation of the board, and he had to 358 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 5: file aw lawsuit, and of course that resolved very quickly 359 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 5: and in favor of the association. And then a bunch 360 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 5: of people, instead of working it all out, just up 361 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 5: and quit, and which is fine, because you know, that's 362 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 5: just the way certain people chose to behave But. 363 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: Judge, let me now, let me ask you, so, if 364 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in Seattle or upstate New York, or Tampa 365 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: Bay or Tampa, Florida right now listening to this, and 366 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: I go, Michael, why are you talking about an organization 367 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: that preserves Texas history? Because I think this is a 368 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: great example of what's happening in every organization and every household, 369 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: every school, every corporation in this country. Talk a little 370 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: bit about what exactly they were doing. Get a little 371 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: granular for. 372 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 5: Me if you would, all right, the bylaws of the 373 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 5: State Historical Association, which are available online for anybody to see, 374 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 5: contemplate the balance of the board of directors between academic 375 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 5: members and non academic members, and that goes right back 376 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 5: to eighteen ninety seven and the notion that I've described 377 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 5: that we need to include everyone in our history and 378 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 5: the promotion of our history and the study of our history. 379 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 5: Certain people who were in leadership at the time tried 380 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 5: to unbalance well, they did, in fact unbalance that board 381 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 5: so that academic members dominated. And that doesn't sound like 382 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 5: a problem, and it probably shouldn't be a problem, but 383 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 5: certain particular academic members had the attitude that I described earlier, 384 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 5: and only one point of view was important and any 385 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 5: other point of view was not going to be tolerated. 386 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 5: And so that's what led to the litigation, and the 387 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 5: judge ruled immediately the board was unbalanced and was required 388 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 5: to be balanced. And that's what happened. And it takes 389 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 5: people to stand up to whatever the problem is, just 390 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 5: like those people did at the Alamo one hundred and 391 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 5: eighty nine years ago. Was certainly their situation was more severe, 392 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 5: but you've got to stand up for what you believe in, 393 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 5: it for what is right, and in this case, it 394 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 5: was right there on the page. So we did, and 395 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 5: the association prevail and balance was restored, and we fixed 396 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 5: the bilaws to make it perfectly clear. Hopefully this won't 397 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 5: happen again. But so that's what happened. 398 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 4: You know. 399 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: It's so frustrating because I see this. I see how 400 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: many families have been torn apart. I have friends who 401 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: had a fellow called a couple of days ago and 402 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: he said, Michael, you don't understand how much harder it 403 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: is for blacks who support Trump than it is for whites. 404 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: He said, at family gatherings, I've got family members who 405 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: say I'm a sellout, which, you know, white we don't 406 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: accuse fellow white people of being a sellout if we 407 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 1: don't like their politics. But you know, these people say 408 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: the nastiest things to folks, and I see organizations in 409 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: tumult and all this, and it's this woke virus has 410 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: just poisoned the harmonious relationships of decades and it drives 411 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: me nuts. This This was not how you should have 412 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: or how JP should have to spend their time running 413 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: this organization. But it's not unlike what's going on. I've 414 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: seen churches torn apart over this kind of nonsense, and 415 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: it just breaks my heart because what it means is 416 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: it's a distraction from the core mission. Your mission was 417 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: to extol the virtues of Texas history and share them 418 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: and educate and bring a new generation into it. And 419 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: instead you're having a fight amongst yourselves. 420 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 5: Well that's right, and history, Texas history belongs to everybody. 421 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 5: And let me make it clear for the listeners, this 422 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: was just a few people, a very small group. Not 423 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 5: all academics were like this at all, and some non 424 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 5: academics were, So it's really not about that. In fact, 425 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 5: I'll tell you, I'll give you an example, and maybe 426 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 5: this will inspire somebody out there facing this problem. This 427 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 5: happens to be in the history space. But I kept 428 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 5: hearing the term when I joined the board amateur historian 429 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 5: or lay historian in a pejority as if someone hold. 430 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 1: Right there in draft, because this is not a quick one. 431 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: I want you to this is important. Wait right there, 432 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: Judge Kim Wise. 433 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 5: Is a recession is when your neighbor loses his job. 434 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: A depression is when. 435 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 5: You lose yours, Michael Verry. 436 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 4: And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his. 437 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: We are talking to Judge kin Wise, in addition to 438 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: being an esteemed member of the Texas Judiciary is up 439 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: unto us up until a week ago, the president of 440 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: the State Historical Society. He has a podcast which I 441 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: highly recommend to you called Wise on Texas. You don't 442 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: have to be a Texan to enjoy Texas history. Heck, 443 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: I read about Alabama history in Louisiana history and Mississippi 444 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: history in California history. And obviously I'm not from there. 445 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: But he tells stories, and you know, I love storytelling. 446 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm a believer in storytelling. Teach your kids to tell stories. 447 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: Courting a woman is telling a story, your own story, 448 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: so she picks you out of all the other guys. 449 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: Selling things is a story a pastor is a storyteller, Well, 450 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: Ken Why is a hell of a good storyteller, and 451 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: he knows Texas history inside and out because he's a 452 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 1: constant student of it. So we're talking about how the 453 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: Texas State Historical Society, like every other organization in America, 454 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: was infected by a handful of liberals who were very 455 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: aggressive and they dig in like a tick. And his 456 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: story of what happened there. So with that in mind, 457 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: go ahead, judge. 458 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 5: Well, what I was going to say is that it's 459 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 5: important to understand history is almost infinite in its scope. 460 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 5: I mean, every part of Texas history is important, and 461 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 5: Texas has experienced its share of problems and problematic history, 462 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 5: and so it's really not about keeping the bad stuff out. 463 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 5: That's not what this is all about. What it's about 464 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 5: is including everything. And that's the problem. Certain viewpoints want 465 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 5: to exclude things, and you can't do that because you 466 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 5: don't get a fair picture of your society. And history 467 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 5: is not very useful if it's not inclusive of every 468 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 5: part of your history. And that's what ended up happening 469 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 5: is certain people wanted to exclude other points of view 470 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 5: and that just should not be done. But it went 471 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 5: beyond that, and they tried to misman did in fact mismanage, 472 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 5: mishandle the association. The court saw it for what it was, 473 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 5: and we've got it back on the right track now. 474 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 5: And the example I was going to give was I 475 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 5: kept hearing, or kept being called, among others, amateur historians, 476 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 5: as if that's something less than somebody who cares a 477 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 5: lot about history. So I enrolled in graduate school to 478 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 5: get a master's in history, which I will finish in 479 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 5: May of this year. Because I was going to just 480 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 5: put that right to bed. I mean, you and I 481 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 5: both share a law degree, which is essentially a PhD 482 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 5: on steroids, but I'm want a master's in history, So 483 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 5: we're going to take out. 484 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to make you feel a lesser man 485 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: by any measure, but as you know, I. 486 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: Have two dogs trees. Yeah, no, I think listen. 487 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't think you have to go to a university 488 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: to learn. 489 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:27,119 Speaker 2: I have people. 490 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: I got an email this morning from somebody who referred 491 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: to your podcast as a university experience. We just put 492 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: my dad in an assisted living center, and so my wife. 493 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: Said, hey, you got to get up here at two. 494 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: O'clock in the middle of the in between my morning 495 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: and even show. 496 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 2: Got to get up here at two. Your dad's excited. 497 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm taking him to a Texas history lecture. So I 498 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: raced over there out of the studio. Ramon said, what 499 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 1: are you doing? I got to go to this lecture 500 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,120 Speaker 1: with my dad. So it was his second or third 501 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,880 Speaker 1: day at the new facility, and we're sitting in there 502 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: and there had to be one hundred assisted living residents 503 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: listening to this woman talk about the Battle of Santa 504 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: Cento and my dad. I reached out and held his 505 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: hand and my dad was clinching at points that we've 506 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 1: talked about, you know, together the eighteen minutes. Every time 507 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: she would say, all right, and what did we call 508 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: the two things that they you know, chanted or that 509 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: their war cries? They went in and. 510 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 2: All the people cheered out. 511 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: It's exciting, I mean, and my wife afterwards said, it's 512 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: like your dad gets to go to the university, never 513 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: got to go to, you know. Hearing you talk and 514 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: listening to your podcast, it's called whys on Texas. People 515 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: who study lifelong students, I don't mean getting a degree, 516 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: people who study as long, who read, who engage, who learn, 517 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: who watch documentaries. They're happier people. You're using a part 518 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: of your brain. That's very positive. But anyway, I'm sorry, 519 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: go ahead. 520 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 5: Sir, No, No, that's I'm glad to hear that story. 521 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 5: People love Texas history. I give well over one hundred 522 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 5: talks a year from seventh graders on up to assisted 523 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 5: living facilities. People love to hear it. They never get 524 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 5: sick of hearing it. If you hear as much history 525 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 5: of wherever you live as possible, you're going to be 526 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 5: a better citizen of wherever you live. And that's just 527 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 5: the way it is, and I think it's really important. 528 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 5: There are times of upheaval in all societies where some 529 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: would argue we're in a time like that nationally, Well, 530 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 5: we better go back and study what works and what doesn't. 531 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 5: And everybody's story deserves to be told. Now, I'll tell 532 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 5: you there were time periods when everybody's story wasn't told, 533 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 5: and hopefully we're through those time periods, and everybody's story 534 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 5: deserves to be told. And this is a wonderful country 535 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 5: and a wonderful state, and it's important for all historians, 536 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 5: amateur or not, to get out there and learn and 537 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 5: tell these stories. The real stories. I mean, you got 538 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 5: to do your research. You got to do it well. 539 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 5: You've got to write well, you got to speak well 540 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 5: and tell the truth. And I don't get something, get 541 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 5: somebody something. 542 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: You used elier that folks tried to create barriers. They 543 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: like everybody likes to be a gatekeeper, to give themselves 544 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: all the authority. They don't want a big tent. And 545 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: you said they would refer to people as amateur historians 546 00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: because they're not experts. They don't have a certificate on 547 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: the wall. 548 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 3: You know. 549 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you we've seen that in media judge wise. 550 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: We've seen how the citizen journalists who you know, the 551 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: blog or the and I'll tell you this, some of 552 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: the best true journalism coming out today is being done 553 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: by citizen journalists. And the Trump administration recently recognizing that 554 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: and saying, hey, the Associated Press is not going to 555 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: decide who is going to report on what we say 556 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: every day to the people while in the White House. 557 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,239 Speaker 1: We're going to pick some citizen journalists to do that 558 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 1: because they're putting out good work. So I think you're 559 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: seeing this, and this is why I asked you to 560 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: be our guest. This isn't about the Texas Historical Society 561 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: or association. You can go read that for yourself. This 562 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: is about caring enough about every aspect of life, your church, 563 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: your school, your household, your workplace to step in and 564 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: say we're not going to allow wokeism, We're not going 565 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: to allow nonsense. We're not going to perpetuate that problem. 566 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: You know, a. 567 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: Judge like this, it would have been easier for him 568 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: not to take on this fight. So to do it 569 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: is because you do it, because it's the right damn 570 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: thing to do. 571 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 5: I'm not sure, and I want to give. 572 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: What I'm not sure you want to add to J. P. 573 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: Brian, Yes, go ahead, please. 574 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 5: I want to give JP Brian a lot of credit. 575 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 5: The board, unanimously, everybody on the board invited him to 576 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 5: be the executive director of this association at a time 577 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 5: where it was critical, and he did it. And he 578 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 5: has spent a ton of time on this and has 579 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 5: done a great job. He's working on the details. We're 580 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 5: in better financial shape than we've ever been. We went 581 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 5: from publishing measily one book a year that now we've 582 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 5: got four we're going to publish this year. We published 583 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 5: a Southwestern Historical Quarterly uninterrupted since in eighteen ninety seven. 584 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 5: Then we've got now over one hundred articles. And I 585 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 5: don't want this to be academic versus non academic. That's 586 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 5: not it. Academic history is critical. The disciplined practice of 587 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 5: history is critical and be done in such a way 588 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 5: that's inclusive and useful to the population. And we just 589 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 5: had a few people that lost sight of that, and 590 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 5: that's unfortunate. 591 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: And guess what, that's where you step in and step up, 592 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: Judge Knwise, Thank you've been our guest. And I want 593 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: to tell every single one of you out there, whatever 594 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: state you're in, whatever you're doing in life. This woman 595 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: who spoke to my father's assistant living facility where all 596 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: the folk, she wasn't a history teacher, she wasn't a 597 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: university professor. She was a woman who started reading and 598 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: she wanted to share what she learned with all the residents. 599 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: Teach a Sunday school class at your church. Don't be 600 00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: a well I could never do that. 601 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 2: Yes you can. You are called to give back. 602 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: These talents are yours to share. I don't add your 603 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: light under a bushelver Mom 604 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 2: We eld us has let us for day thank you, 605 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 2: and good night.