Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Oh, welcome back to it could Happen here, a podcast
Speaker 2: about it happening here, things falling apart, and today the
Speaker 2: thing that is falling apart is info Wars. Now, this
Speaker 2: is not a new situation. Info Wars has been falling
Speaker 2: apart for like half a decade now, but we are
Speaker 2: reaching certainly a point in that process. And to talk
Speaker 2: about that point, I have been bringing on really the
Speaker 2: only two people you can bring on if you want
Speaker 2: an expert opinion on Alex Jones, Dan and Jordan of
Speaker 2: Knowledge Fight Dan Jordan, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 3: Hello, Thank you for having us.
Speaker 1: Hello, you can bring us on to tell you things
Speaker 1: that every other expert in the world will.
Speaker 2: Say are wrong. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, it's nice to know that we are once
Speaker 4: again at that point where shit is looking that bad
Speaker 4: for Alex yep, that it's relevant for us to uh, yeah,
Speaker 4: get to.
Speaker 2: Start doing your media tours. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Hey, well we're I'm enjoying this because I know we're
Speaker 1: gonna see you next year to have the same conversation.
Speaker 4: And I was flashing back to earlier times we've talked.
Speaker 4: We've probably been like, hey, things are looking bad for
Speaker 4: Alex Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my fingers are crossed that he gets a bad
Speaker 2: batch of supplements and goes on like not a sad
Speaker 2: murdering spree, but like a cannibal spree, like he eats
Speaker 2: three or four people, and then the news like, you guys,
Speaker 2: you guys are on fucking CNN talking about well, actually,
Speaker 2: Alex has been discussing eating people for quite some time. Sure,
Speaker 2: this is really this is really a long story for him.
Speaker 4: Really, anyone should have seen this coming.
Speaker 2: This is some of the least surprising cannibalism in media history.
Speaker 4: It turns out this supplement, it didn't make him a cannibal.
Speaker 4: It just brought out that cannibal that was already there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what the iodine does. First, before we get
Speaker 2: into it. You know, elephant in the room, by which
Speaker 2: I mean Dan, you look like you're ready to lead
Speaker 2: the Union Army in a series of Civil War battles.
Speaker 2: That's a compliment to your facial hair.
Speaker 4: So by elephant you mean the tusks. Yes, well, thank
Speaker 4: you very much. I'm learning to accept compliments. Yeah, I've
Speaker 4: got a ridiculous handlebar situation that I did as a joke.
Speaker 4: I got this as a joke to go to undercover
Speaker 4: to a Tucker Carlson event.
Speaker 2: That's an incredible decision.
Speaker 4: And then the positive feedback spit too much for me
Speaker 4: to handle.
Speaker 2: It's good. Well, I mean, this is really changing things
Speaker 2: for me because prior to seeing this, Jordan would have
Speaker 2: been my go to if I needed someone to help
Speaker 2: me burn Atlanta. But now I don't know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, could be either of you.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of Civil war jokes, a lot of
Speaker 4: hitting home runs in the seventies.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure jokes.
Speaker 2: It's okay. I have a whole subreddit full of people
Speaker 2: that just photo shot my face on the pictures of Rassputon,
Speaker 2: So it's what happens. Speaking of ras Button, he was psychic,
Speaker 2: and so is Alex. According to Alex. Yep, yeah, what
Speaker 2: do you guys want to start here? Because like, obviously
Speaker 2: the big news right now is all of Info Wars
Speaker 2: is up for auction, including apparently Alex is twittering. It
Speaker 2: sounds like will probably be part of the deal, although
Speaker 2: I guess that's a little unclear right now.
Speaker 4: He's trying to fight that inclusion of the Twitter handle
Speaker 4: in his bankruptcy estate. But I think almost anybody could
Speaker 4: make a pretty solid argument that it's company property. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like he uses it to broadcast his show. He takes
Speaker 4: calls on it for his show, Yeah, from Twitter spaces,
Speaker 4: so like, yeah, he's probably going to lose that fight,
Speaker 4: and it's probably going to be part of the auction.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean, at the same time, him not having
Speaker 1: it makes it valueless, so it's worthless.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if I were going to auction.
Speaker 1: It, it would be worth zero dollars, But if I
Speaker 1: were going to give it to Alex, it would be
Speaker 1: worth to him millions of millions of dollars.
Speaker 2: And that's the issue here. Yeah, it does kind of
Speaker 2: seem and I listened to Alex primarily through you, but
Speaker 2: it does seem like from when I'm here on your show,
Speaker 2: he's kind of more concerned about the Twitter account than
Speaker 2: the multimillion dollar studio space yeah time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, which actually is kind of funny because I
Speaker 4: think it belies a lack of confidence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think if he loses.
Speaker 4: Real Alex Jones on Twitter, he could have Reeler Alex Jones.
Speaker 2: Yep, it doesn't seem like that would be a problem
Speaker 2: for him. Actually, do you think you.
Speaker 3: Can't gather this audience back together.
Speaker 1: I think that's the problem. He's worried he can't get
Speaker 1: it back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well and specifically him, like Elon would tell
Speaker 2: people to follow him, there'd be a bunch of people
Speaker 2: with huge accounts saying this is the new alex Yo, Like,
Speaker 2: I really don't think it would be much more than
Speaker 2: a speedbump. Actually, unfortunately, you can make that, but these
Speaker 2: aren't your friends.
Speaker 1: Can't trust Elon fucking must help you out.
Speaker 4: I do think that there's an abandonment fear possibly, yeah,
Speaker 4: or some sort of lack of confidence that like, if
Speaker 4: this speed bump does hit, I won't be able to rebuild.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, And it makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's delusional. I think he's totally fine.
Speaker 4: Start one hundred new Twitter accounts, you get a million
Speaker 4: followers on all of those, agreed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But I mean he's delusionable about just about everything,
Speaker 1: so it makes sense that in this case he would
Speaker 1: be delusional in the wrong direction.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, how does this seem to be going?
Speaker 2: My big concern when I'm thinking about it is like, well,
Speaker 2: there's probably someone rich out there, some like rich asshole,
Speaker 2: you know, think tank funding oil billionaire that would consider
Speaker 2: it chump change to buy all this shit up and
Speaker 2: just give it back to Alex. But my understanding is
Speaker 2: that that's not actually like a thing you can do
Speaker 2: in these kind of situations. Although I'm not not an
Speaker 2: expert on.
Speaker 3: It, oh, I think you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the trustee has the ability to even say, like
Speaker 1: if there is if there was like a bid that
Speaker 1: was from whomever you want to say, like out of nowhere,
Speaker 1: George Soros, if you.
Speaker 2: Like fucking William Rignery the fifth or whichever Rignari were
Speaker 2: on now yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Ten billion dollars more money than God could imagine. But
Speaker 1: the trustee you wanted it to stay in right wing
Speaker 1: billionaire hands, he could give it to somebody who bid
Speaker 1: six million.
Speaker 2: Dollars for it or five.
Speaker 4: I don't think that that's actually accurate, fully, And I
Speaker 4: also don't think that the trustee is beholden to Alex
Speaker 4: in any way.
Speaker 2: I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that there is that level of control
Speaker 1: that is not just like it's going to the highest bidder.
Speaker 4: As I understand it, the trustees control in terms of
Speaker 4: that is more about a minimum bid, like if there
Speaker 4: were higher bids it would be very difficult to rationalize
Speaker 4: not taking them if they were from people who have
Speaker 4: the actual money. Sure, aren't I guess involved with terrorism,
Speaker 4: sure or something, Unless there is a concrete reason not
Speaker 4: to accept it, I'd be surprised. Yeah, if they didn't
Speaker 4: accept Soros if he made a bit.
Speaker 2: I mean I would be too.
Speaker 1: But also, currently we are on surprise number seven and
Speaker 1: a half thousand, if not more. Yeah, so that would
Speaker 1: be the least surprising thing, if it was a surprising thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So. I think we're all agreed. Alex isn't going to
Speaker 2: just shut up and ride into the sunset. He's physically
Speaker 2: incapable of doing that. Like, he would literally literally explode
Speaker 2: like a soda with mintos dropped into it if that
Speaker 2: were to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But also there's a massive judgment on him, right, So
Speaker 2: my understanding is that like any money beyond whatever a
Speaker 2: court decides would be necessary for him to maintain existence,
Speaker 2: although I understand there's also like ways you can fuck
Speaker 2: around with that too, Like what do you guys know about,
Speaker 2: like what kind of limitations the court has placed on
Speaker 2: Alex for the future after after all of his shit
Speaker 2: gets sold out from underneath him.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know about like specific details, but because
Speaker 4: his judgment was deemed to be like malicious and intense,
Speaker 4: the amount that he owes personally is not dischargeable by bankruptcy. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so he's in chapter seven bankruptcy now personally, and so
Speaker 4: he's liquidating all the assets. So he has to sell
Speaker 4: off the company, which is how we get to the
Speaker 4: auction in the first place. And so he will sell
Speaker 4: off these assets to go towards the payment of these people.
Speaker 4: But that's not going to erase the debts and set
Speaker 4: things even so in theory, he could be hounded for
Speaker 4: the rest of his life. Sure, he could have wages garnished,
Speaker 4: have some oversight of his finances. In theory, yeah, to
Speaker 4: the amount that that's exercised, I'm not sure how much
Speaker 4: it will be, but yeah, that's going to be hanging
Speaker 4: over him for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or I mean, if I was him and based on
Speaker 1: how things are going for him so far and the
Speaker 1: direction things are taking, then once this is handled, then
Speaker 1: he's going to move all of his money to Alex
Speaker 1: Jones store dot com. And then once they can catch
Speaker 1: him there, he's gonna move all of his money to
Speaker 1: Alex jonestore dot com two, and then once they catch
Speaker 1: him there, he's gonna move his stuff to Alex Jones
Speaker 1: dot com three, until eventually everybody gets so fucking tired
Speaker 1: that they're like, fine, either we're no longer going to
Speaker 1: come after you, or will settle for fucking nothing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because and him and his lawyers explained that even
Speaker 4: as part of their legal strategy early on, which is
Speaker 4: that you exhaust people with delays and to the point
Speaker 4: where someone's just willing to settle because you're such a
Speaker 4: pain in the ass. Yeah, And that's just kind of
Speaker 4: his mode of operation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And every time people have been like, well, clearly,
Speaker 1: you can't continue to be a pain in the ass
Speaker 1: this way anymore. It won't be allowed. It has instead
Speaker 1: been allowed, so you can do it. It's fun.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get like in the way of
Speaker 2: people's you know, celebrating the downfall of Alex Jones. But
Speaker 2: it does kind of seem like nothing realistically is going
Speaker 2: to stop him from being rich and being able to
Speaker 2: talk to an audience of people who are dangerously devoted
Speaker 2: to his shit, Like none of this is actually going
Speaker 2: to I'm sure, it's unpleasant and stressful, right, but it's
Speaker 2: not gonna stop him. It's just not possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why you get other experts, because I
Speaker 1: do want to get in the way of people enjoying
Speaker 1: quote unquote info out fault.
Speaker 2: I was talking about like when I'm when I'm watching
Speaker 2: people celebrate on Twitter, like you can't correct everybody. It's
Speaker 2: like whenever, whenever there's like dis info about Alex Jones
Speaker 2: that people listen to your show, know, like there was
Speaker 2: a period of time where I would correct people about
Speaker 2: that or really literally anything else, and I've I've increasingly
Speaker 2: got to the point where like everyone's wrong about almost
Speaker 2: everything they say on the Internet, and there's really no
Speaker 2: point in correcting anybody about it anymore. Like what am
Speaker 2: I going to do? How is this going to help?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I see people like posting videos of Alex crying, yeah,
Speaker 4: and like changing the context of what it is for
Speaker 4: some post and it's like, you guys are just it's
Speaker 4: not worth the energy to correct here to your point, though,
Speaker 4: Jordanan does want to stop people from celebrating and ruining
Speaker 4: everyone's fun. I'm in the middle, Okay, I would like
Speaker 4: people to be a little at the time to do it.
Speaker 4: I don't like people to be a little bit more
Speaker 4: realistic about their expectations, people being like celebrating prematurely, Like
Speaker 4: you're just gonna have to deal with the hangover of this.
Speaker 4: That is, there's a pretty decent chance somebody aligned with
Speaker 4: Alex is going to buy the company and then all
Speaker 4: of it is going to get just given back to him,
Speaker 4: and it's equally likely that someone you know, like a
Speaker 4: Soros or whatever does end up buying it. Info Wars
Speaker 4: is destroyed and Alex's revenue streams remain intact because his
Speaker 4: dad runs his supplement company now that's outside of the bankruptcy.
Speaker 4: He shifted all of his merch over to this Alex
Speaker 4: Jones store dot com that's run by somebody else, So
Speaker 4: like all the meaningful ways that he can make money
Speaker 4: are now protected, and he can just start Alex Jones
Speaker 4: fuck Around Hour or whatever and have these people be sponsors,
Speaker 4: and you know, it'll feel fun that info Wars is
Speaker 4: gone or someone else bought it or whatever. But like
Speaker 4: you know, like you're saying, Robert, it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 4: really address the issue, and nothing is nothing's really gained.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of been a massive waste
Speaker 1: of everybody's time. But but a lot of lawyers are
Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of money, so that's good.
Speaker 2: It does seem if I'm going out of my way
Speaker 2: to kind of look at what are the most positive
Speaker 2: results of this, Like if I mean, it does look
Speaker 2: like he's probably going to lose control of all of
Speaker 2: the shit that they have to film info Wars, right,
Speaker 2: and that won't stop them from filming and doing videos,
Speaker 2: but maybe they'll look like crap, and maybe that will
Speaker 2: have an impact on like the degree of credence people
Speaker 2: give them, you know, like maybe the fact that info
Speaker 2: Wars has a nice studio isn't zero percent of like
Speaker 2: why their shit gets taken seriously by people. I don't
Speaker 2: think it's most of why, but it's not nothing either,
Speaker 2: otherwise like they wouldn't be doing it. Like I do
Speaker 2: think that that although I don't know, maybe that was
Speaker 2: in a different era is when that mattered.
Speaker 4: I think it's also psychologically important for him, Yeah, that
Speaker 4: might be the most of it.
Speaker 3: He wants to.
Speaker 4: Think he's doing a real show, and without the trappings
Speaker 4: of a fake CNN studio, it's harder to pretend that
Speaker 4: you're not just reading Twitter headlines and then getting mad
Speaker 4: about them. But I do, I do feel like this
Speaker 4: idea that it's a waste of time and everything has
Speaker 4: been a waste of time. I just want to give
Speaker 4: a little bit of voice to the fact that it
Speaker 4: may feel like a waste of time and nothing has
Speaker 4: been achieved. But you know, if you listen to the
Speaker 4: perspective of some of the plaintiffs and some of the families,
Speaker 4: the ability to face him in court and reclaim some
Speaker 4: of the power that he had over memories, yeah, and
Speaker 4: the power and the pain. You know, that isn't something
Speaker 4: that is quantifiable in terms of the money or you know,
Speaker 4: all of his feet dragging, but it is something that matters.
Speaker 4: And I don't want to pretend that that hasn't been achieved,
Speaker 4: oh greed, as much as it's not the Catharsis of
Speaker 4: him getting arrested or losing all of his money or
Speaker 4: whatever that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I just I think we all needed
Speaker 1: to understand clearly from the beginning what this was, and
Speaker 1: that would have altered kind of the way that this
Speaker 1: is perceived. Like if we had all known from the jump,
Speaker 1: like if all the lawyers and everybody and all the
Speaker 1: media had gotten together and been like, listen, this is
Speaker 1: going to be a moral victory and it's going to
Speaker 1: be good to have this like in public, to have
Speaker 1: this airing for all of us to see and for
Speaker 1: the families to have.
Speaker 2: I think we would have been fine with that.
Speaker 1: The problem was all the rest of the stuff was
Speaker 1: a waste of everybody's time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, does that make sense? Yeah, no, that makes sense
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, I think if we had just had that, this
Speaker 1: could all have been banged out in a day.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like we get everybody in court, everybody gets to
Speaker 1: say their piece, and then we're done, and Alex gets
Speaker 1: to remain rich.
Speaker 2: It's basically the same thing. All right. Well, we're gonna
Speaker 2: keep talking on this, and I'm gonna ask you guys
Speaker 2: for an update on how Alex is handling the election too.
Speaker 2: But first, what's all handle some ads and we're back.
Speaker 2: You know, this is one thing that is gonna sorry.
Speaker 4: I gotta stop you. I can't believe you're running an
Speaker 4: ad for doctor Jones natural.
Speaker 2: Well, that's just very different, very different naturals, though very
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Speaker 2: Shrunk Natural. Yeah yeah, doctor doctor Jones supplements and have
Speaker 2: some real trunk natural. Honestly, most of what I do
Speaker 2: is just take clips from the graduate and uh and
Speaker 2: put him in as the as the male elite. I
Speaker 2: don't know why. I don't know why to give people
Speaker 2: what they want. Anyway, we made forty million dollars last month. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we should. We should have stopped with this whole no
Speaker 2: ads thing. So I I I want to talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about how Alex has been handling the election,
Speaker 2: because you know, one of the things that's always interesting
Speaker 2: to me is how his sense about whether or not
Speaker 2: everyone's doomed to be, you know, murdered by the New
Speaker 2: World Order and have their corps disposed of by a
Speaker 2: robot is not related at all to like how conservatism
Speaker 2: is doing, how how his party has picked candidates are doing.
Speaker 2: It's it's a pure his own personal vibes, because right
Speaker 2: now is not a terrible time if you're a fascist
Speaker 2: in the United States, there's a real good chance they're
Speaker 2: going to have a have a runaway win here in
Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks. But alex is at least
Speaker 2: based on the most recent episode of Knowledge. But I've
Speaker 2: listened to more or less on the everything is fucked
Speaker 2: and we're all doomed. The New World Order is going
Speaker 2: to eat you all things. I think it's just because
Speaker 2: he's got the auction team coming by his office.
Speaker 4: Well a spoiler alert in the next episode, he's had
Speaker 4: a euphoria moment because he's realized that they're gonna win.
Speaker 1: They've already won won, You've you're far you're way too
Speaker 1: far behind. Now tomorrow, of course they will be losing
Speaker 1: and we're all gonna die.
Speaker 2: He's a rapid cycling kind of guy on the that
Speaker 2: we're gonna win.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I think I think that you know,
Speaker 4: we've even talked about this before, this dynamic of like
Speaker 4: your enemy has to be super strong and then super
Speaker 4: defeatable and super weak, like all of that must exist
Speaker 4: simultaneously or else. Yeah, you know, his game doesn't really
Speaker 4: work as well. Yeah, so that that energy is going
Speaker 4: to keep going until the election.
Speaker 2: And also it makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't imagine the idea of a bunch
Speaker 1: of professional people coming into my home or place of
Speaker 1: business and just like cataloging things, just taking each individual pictures,
Speaker 1: the amount of stress and nervous energy that that would provide.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'd be like I did, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I needed to clean that. I
Speaker 2: don't know if I needed to clean it.
Speaker 3: She would be getting real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just like cleaning up my dad's place after
Speaker 2: he died was like this whole thing of all of
Speaker 2: these are items that have meaning to our family, and
Speaker 2: I would be okay burning them all in a fire
Speaker 2: in a pit right now, right like I'm just I'm done.
Speaker 2: I'm done. So I can't imagine like the sense of
Speaker 2: fuck it I would have and alexis, especially if I
Speaker 2: had Alex Jones money, like he really it's just more
Speaker 2: evidence that there's a deep sickness involved in all this
Speaker 2: with him, like he can't stop himself, Like yes, go
Speaker 2: fish or something, bro like go on a nice fishing trip.
Speaker 2: What are you doing sitting in your office watching your
Speaker 2: life get paid to part What a miserable place. Give
Speaker 2: everybody the day off. It's great.
Speaker 4: Fishing's not going to stop the devil, and that is
Speaker 4: really uh, you know.
Speaker 1: Fishing is actually how the devil gets out. It's every
Speaker 1: water is a portal to the fifth dimension of Hell,
Speaker 1: which is actually the lower fifth. There's a higher fifth
Speaker 1: dimension where good demons come I mean, angels come out of.
Speaker 1: But then the lower fifth dimension comes up through the
Speaker 1: pond and that's where catfish come from.
Speaker 3: This is not an Alex theory, but it plausibly could be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I wasn't far off. No, no,
Speaker 2: So how are we How are we doing with Alex
Speaker 2: in terms of like one thing I've noticed and maybe
Speaker 2: I have a you can tell me if you agree
Speaker 2: with my kind of interpretation here, is that he seems
Speaker 2: to be at a little bit of a lower ebb
Speaker 2: in terms of getting invited on and talking with like
Speaker 2: much more popular creators. I haven't seen like last year,
Speaker 2: I felt like I saw him on a lot of stuff,
Speaker 2: and this year. I don't know if it's just that
Speaker 2: he's not, you know, as sexy as he was to
Speaker 2: them last but I'm just not seeing him out as
Speaker 2: much as I kind of expected to in an election,
Speaker 2: And I'm wondering if that's your interpretation too, where if
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of you think I'm off.
Speaker 4: I think it's fifty to fifty because I think that
Speaker 4: there is something to that, Like he was on he's
Speaker 4: been on more fun stuff before in the past, and
Speaker 4: it's been it's been a little bit limited this year,
Speaker 4: but he was just on Tucker's live show in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 4: which is about as big as anything he's done. Probably
Speaker 4: at least it feels pretty big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't the two drunk sports guys. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: flagrant two flagrant too.
Speaker 3: That might have been a few years ago too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my memory is terrible.
Speaker 4: He hasn't been back on Rogan. Yeah, you know, there's
Speaker 4: some big there's some big gaps in terms of like
Speaker 4: where he feels like he should be appearing. But you know,
Speaker 4: if you look at the luminaries that were on that
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson tour, like him being included in that list
Speaker 4: of people is pretty you know, that's that's rarefied air.
Speaker 2: I mean, unfortunately, I guess it is in.
Speaker 3: A RFK Junior. Yeah, you got the vic.
Speaker 1: They're consequential people, which is the most run part is
Speaker 1: that these are the dregs of humanity and yet they
Speaker 1: are very consequential people that we should be paying attention.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely infuriating that, Yeah, I have to care about
Speaker 2: especially fucking Vivac. Yeah, because I ran into him at
Speaker 2: the fucking RNC and he was being surrounded by a
Speaker 2: cloud of guys who all looked like Nick Flintes. Like
Speaker 2: the only reason I didn't assume one of them was
Speaker 2: Nick Fuintes is that any one of them could have
Speaker 2: been Nick Fuintes. And I had to fight this urge.
Speaker 2: Do you're seeing those like old man comics where like
Speaker 2: a guy I'll be fighting one hundred shrews and like
Speaker 2: beating one of them to death with the others, I
Speaker 2: had to fight off the urge to pick up one
Speaker 2: Fuintes by the legs and just start swinging him. Just
Speaker 2: start swinging.
Speaker 3: You are my weapon.
Speaker 2: So like, where do you Where do you see Alex
Speaker 2: a year from now? Right? Like do you have any
Speaker 2: kind of expectation for where he's going to be, because like,
Speaker 2: at some point his dad has to die, which I
Speaker 2: understand is a pretty important part right now of how
Speaker 2: he's able to keep money flowing well to his operation
Speaker 2: the face of the judgment, right.
Speaker 4: His dad and his brother in law both run. Okay,
Speaker 4: the Doctor Jones naturals, So even if old David Jones
Speaker 4: kicks the bucket, his brother is still going to be there.
Speaker 4: So I think I think Alex is fine, but I
Speaker 4: think almost killed his dad with COVID.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am surprised Doctor Jones lived through that
Speaker 2: given alexis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think gorilla is sitting on his chest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I think it is a little bit of
Speaker 1: a testament to how insane and how the best torture
Speaker 1: for Alex is just being cursed with being Alex. Is
Speaker 1: Like if I was in this scenario where I plausibly
Speaker 1: have a reason to never touch or talk about money
Speaker 1: again and yet still make the almost exact same amount
Speaker 1: of it, that would be perfect.
Speaker 2: That's just taking a.
Speaker 1: Job away from me right now. It's my dad's problem
Speaker 1: to look at the sales numbers.
Speaker 2: Or anywhere he else.
Speaker 4: That's not a good ad man. That's the thing, do
Speaker 4: a good readecause if.
Speaker 1: Alex is the face guy Doctor Jones handles the business,
Speaker 1: that means that Alex doesn't have to do both.
Speaker 2: It makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4: But to your question, though, like I really do feel
Speaker 4: like right now we're in the most chaotic possible moment
Speaker 4: because you have these two things that could go any
Speaker 4: direction that are happening around the same time. Like you
Speaker 4: have the election, and then you also have the auction, right,
Speaker 4: and if Trump wins or loses, there's a lot of
Speaker 4: different possibilities of how his path might go. And if
Speaker 4: someone who he's aligned with ends up buying the company
Speaker 4: or not, that's another Like the world will be very
Speaker 4: different in terms of the choices that he has in
Speaker 4: front of him. Yeah, but I think it'll be bad.
Speaker 4: I think he'll be unhappy that I think, no matter what,
Speaker 4: I think, will be pretty miserable.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's just because of him. He's just a
Speaker 1: real miserable piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I spent a lot of time thinking about his
Speaker 2: Bee cast and how they might do because I again,
Speaker 2: I I don't see a world in which Alex gives
Speaker 2: up what he's doing. But I do see a world
Speaker 2: in which he can no longer pay Owen Schroyer. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the truth, that's the true goal that.
Speaker 2: Check his Owen's not making what a heartbreaking amount of money.
Speaker 2: I'm sure more further into the six figures than Owen
Speaker 2: Shrotier out to be everybody.
Speaker 4: I wonder what the deal with him would be though,
Speaker 4: Like he went to jail for Alex.
Speaker 2: God's true, he sure did.
Speaker 4: He did time, Like what could he tell if he
Speaker 4: was off the payroll or you know, like or how
Speaker 4: much do you pay to keep him on the payroll
Speaker 4: Because he's the kind of guy who went to jail
Speaker 4: for you.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at a I mean, David
Speaker 1: Knight's not going to jail for you. But if that's
Speaker 1: if that's a comparable exit for a personal popularity, I
Speaker 1: don't think going's got much of a shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you can be tossed into the ocean.
Speaker 4: But I think Chase, Chase Geyser is more of a
Speaker 4: bat player than than Owen.
Speaker 1: We just have a personal We just Chase Geyser is
Speaker 1: a new character who's popped up in the later seasons
Speaker 1: of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's.
Speaker 1: Really brought a new He's brought a lot of a
Speaker 1: late season juice to it that I think we needed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's better than Owen though that's f Yeah.
Speaker 2: See I was gonna say it's like when Fraser brought
Speaker 2: on all those British people. But speaking of British people,
Speaker 2: our sponsors might be British. We don't check and we're back. Okay, guys.
Speaker 2: Uh so, I guess kind of closing stuff out, what
Speaker 2: do you think this year have been the big pieces
Speaker 2: of Alex misinformation that you've seen people spreading online? Like,
Speaker 2: what's kind of been your biggest I'm guessing this is
Speaker 2: gonna be a ordin heavy question, but like stuff about
Speaker 2: Alex or stuff? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, stuff about Alex that's
Speaker 2: like specifically, what kind of stuff have you heard, like
Speaker 2: people in media saying about Alex this year that has
Speaker 2: pissed you off the most?
Speaker 1: I mean, the funny part of this question is that
Speaker 1: I've actually left the Internet about as much as possible
Speaker 1: because of the rage that they rage that I feel
Speaker 1: at this very situation.
Speaker 2: A wise move. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I honestly, I think I think the big thing
Speaker 1: for me personally is just the if we are going
Speaker 1: to talk about Alex's auction, then to me, what we're
Speaker 1: talking about is how much money the families are going
Speaker 1: to receive. That's that's to me in my head of YEA,
Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk money, then what we should talk
Speaker 1: about is the end point. How much do the families
Speaker 1: get and even if this auction just goes gangbusters, the
Speaker 1: families are going to get so so little of whatever
Speaker 1: happens because they're the last in line before you pay,
Speaker 1: Like Norm Pattis is going to make more money at
Speaker 1: the end of all of this process than any of
Speaker 1: the family members. That's just probably true, I would say,
Speaker 1: if not guaranteed true at this point, unless, of course
Speaker 1: Mark Cuban or somebody a billionaire shows up and showers
Speaker 1: them with money. But for the most part, it's it's like,
Speaker 1: the end goals should be the families, they should be first,
Speaker 1: but that's the wrong thing.
Speaker 2: They're the last. So it's very annoying. It's very frustrating. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is especially given that, like that's the whole reason
Speaker 2: for the suit, Like that's the whole reason for the season.
Speaker 2: But I mean, obviously the system is not conducted to
Speaker 2: benefit families who are suffering. That's not who makes the rules,
Speaker 2: that's not who operates the system. The system. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we don't need to rant about that. It is a bummer, Dan,
Speaker 2: what about you.
Speaker 4: I Mean, maybe it's recency bias and stuff, but like
Speaker 4: I do think that the conversation around the auction is
Speaker 4: missing a little bit of the point, ye, whether it
Speaker 4: be in terms of you know, what the sale is,
Speaker 4: like you were bringing up Jordan, or like people thinking
Speaker 4: that there is a solution to the problem that Alex represents,
Speaker 4: Like this isn't going to be like a ding Dong
Speaker 4: the Witch's Dead type moment. You're going to have you know,
Speaker 4: his new thing funded by the companies that he's been
Speaker 4: building up to avoid the bankruptcy, or you're going to
Speaker 4: have somebody who's with him but that buys it in
Speaker 4: for wars is going to be the same problem on
Speaker 4: November fourteenth or whatever as it was the day before.
Speaker 4: And I think that I think that people are getting
Speaker 4: themselves maybe a little bit up for a disappointment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think that we've seen that a couple times,
Speaker 4: like with the Alex had the night where he claimed
Speaker 4: that security guards are trying to shut him down. He
Speaker 4: was you know, people got excited about like this is it?
Speaker 2: Yeah yep.
Speaker 4: And I think maybe I'm jaded too because of years
Speaker 4: of doing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost never it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say this and I want
Speaker 1: people to recognize that this is true in regards to
Speaker 1: this scenario. You are never going to come. You're never
Speaker 1: going to come. It's never going to happen. You're going
Speaker 1: to be perpetually close, and then you're not gonna make it,
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna come back. That's how it is.
Speaker 2: If you're into edging, Alex is the guy to follow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's perfect. So I think that that's actually really good advice.
Speaker 2: Like if you if you just as a layman, are
Speaker 2: hearing people talk about Alex Jones on social media or
Speaker 2: like seeing some sort of like opinion column or whatever,
Speaker 2: and some you know, left wing or liberal rag and
Speaker 2: you want to know, like how credible is this? I
Speaker 2: guess the first question to ask is are they predicting
Speaker 2: a massive change to Alex and what he actually does?
Speaker 2: Because if so, probably nothing has got Unless it's like
Speaker 2: an article that he's been diagnosed with a disease, nothing's
Speaker 2: probably going to change. Right at some point he's going
Speaker 2: to die. I'm not being me.
Speaker 3: I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't believe that article. I wouldn't believe it.
Speaker 4: In that article, they're lying, well, you take that illness
Speaker 4: with doctor Marbles to get out, Yeah, yes, exactly the deposition.
Speaker 3: Then so like he you know fu fuck even that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I look at it slightly differently, and
Speaker 4: that is that I do predict that there will be
Speaker 4: a massive change. We just don't know what it'll be.
Speaker 4: Sure like, there'll be something. He's got to do something,
Speaker 4: because his content is really stagnant and a bit uninteresting
Speaker 4: in the Trump sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do.
Speaker 4: I think that there is a change that will be
Speaker 4: needed if he wants to maintain whatever he's doing. But
Speaker 4: I mean, anybody who has an idea of what it
Speaker 4: is is wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine that predicting anything in the next sixty
Speaker 1: days is going to be a ridiculous proposition. If you
Speaker 1: had predicted a new hurricane fucking two weeks ago, people
Speaker 1: would have thought you were crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I think that's all I had to ask. Guys.
Speaker 2: Anything you wanted to plug will bring up before we
Speaker 2: close out.
Speaker 3: Uh no, just know we exist to where we have
Speaker 3: a show.
Speaker 2: I'll check out Knowledge Fight. It's my favorite podcast. It's
Speaker 2: the only only reasonable way to keep up with Alex
Speaker 2: Jones and a whole network of other con men and
Speaker 2: grifters who who who kind of latch onto him like
Speaker 2: that fish that lives on the underside of a shark,
Speaker 2: except for Alex. Alex is also a remora, a remera, right,
Speaker 2: So it's just like a it's like a just a
Speaker 2: series of smaller and smaller ones, each sucking each other off. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that sounds about right. And Alex is latched onto the
Speaker 2: side of a cruise ship toilet. Yeah, he's the remora
Speaker 2: on the cruise ship toilet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've now turned this into a human centipede situation.
Speaker 2: I have, I have, I don't know why again again,
Speaker 2: it's all this is all viral marketing for doctor Jones's
Speaker 2: Big Naturals.
Speaker 1: Now figured out an appropriate punishment for defamation of character
Speaker 1: human centipeda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been saying that for years years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like and I do have to point
Speaker 4: this out.
Speaker 3: Sure, that is both cruel and very unusual.
Speaker 1: It is perhaps the most unusual thing you could imagine.
Speaker 2: Really, I hate to say, but somebody, it would it
Speaker 2: would take like some of these people three months to
Speaker 2: have several thousand people convinced that human centipeding is like
Speaker 2: a mental health hack, like it's it's it's like getting
Speaker 2: rid of seed oils, you know, that's how you accelerate
Speaker 2: muscle development. Right, Yeah, ancient cavemen, we're always eating each
Speaker 2: other shit.
Speaker 1: You know what you've also, you've also made a very
Speaker 1: good point. If you this this whole thing. If you
Speaker 1: want to stop Alex, Alex is a symptom. Alex is
Speaker 1: a symptom of the larger problem. You need to regulate supplements. Yes,
Speaker 1: FDA approved.
Speaker 2: Supplements will get rid of most of these guys. Every
Speaker 2: podcast episode we can we are pushing the line in
Speaker 2: my dream. If I accomplish one thing in my life,
Speaker 2: it would be getting this to become widely agreed upon
Speaker 2: by liberals and the left. Regulate supplements, allowed direct sales
Speaker 2: of cars to consumers, yep, and ban MLMs and prosecute
Speaker 2: people criminally for trying to operate them. Do that, and
Speaker 2: you fix a lot of other problems.
Speaker 4: I would do something about precious metals businesses too.
Speaker 3: I would throw that.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Hey, now, hey, now, Mike Lindell's giving us some gold money, sir, Right,
Speaker 2: you just wait wait right there untill he runs out.
Speaker 4: Dan, pillow sales are illegal, also, I should throw a file.
Speaker 2: Pillows are illegal? Makes your neck week yep, all right,
Speaker 2: everybody listen to knowledge by Thank you, Dan and Jordan
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