WEBVTT - Draft Show: Combined Efforts 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.160 The following. He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:13.399 Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.520 the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:22.119 for insider news and trapped analysis from deep within the 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:29.120 confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frescope. And 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:35.280 now your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:43.280 and David Hellman. It is Tuesday, February the twenty second, 0:00:43.400 --> 0:00:46.640 and we are back with a brand new episode of 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.560 the Draft Show for y'all. Like the Big Voice said, 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.720 I am David Hellman. I'm joined as usual by Kyle 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.680 Yeoman's Brian brought us Jeff Kavanaugh. Morning fellows. How are 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:59.240 we doing? Doing well? Doing well? Thank you. I gotta 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.520 be honest, Brian, I'm I mean, I'm happy about the 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:05.280 news with the Combine that we're going to get to, 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.000 but I'm a little disappointed because I thought I might 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:09.840 be able to get a rant out of you today 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.360 with everything that was going on with basically a threatened 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:17.240 boycott of the activities at the Combine. I know how 0:01:17.360 --> 0:01:20.199 near and dear all of that is to your heart, 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.360 and I just I thought you might have some fire 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:24.520 to spit at us today if we thought the combine 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:26.840 wasn't going to happen the way it normally does. No, 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.880 I think that I've come to realization though, that we're 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:34.319 all going to go to Tallahassee in Gainesville and Baton 0:01:34.400 --> 0:01:37.080 Rouge in Los Angeles. We're still going to do that 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.160 after the combine. The most important thing about that combine 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.440 is those medicals. And I need to know if I'm 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:46.480 putting those tags on that board, that those players are 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.600 healthy enough for me to take. So my rant about that, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.320 But then again, you're talking to a guy then nineteen 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.680 ninety three was sitting there and wondering why they would 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.640 ever put this on TV. You know, why would people 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.320 really care about that? And now the league is having 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.800 to agent demands because they're not wanting to tank their ratings. 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.680 Yeah no, And you know I understand it's the NFL 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.200 has done a tremendous job of not giving us any 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.280 days off. You know, they've made this a year round job, 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.680 which we're all grateful to have. But if they started 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.320 messing with that, the agents had come out, you'd got 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:23.400 the rant for me about the medicals. If they would 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:27.399 have said we're boycotting the medicals too. Now you would 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.720 have got the rant fair enough, which, like I said, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.600 I'm a little bit disappointed to not hear it. But 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.160 just in case, in case you haven't been following this story, 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.760 the NFL Combine is set the start in Indianapolis basically 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:41.799 a week from today. I think the players get there 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:46.560 on Monday, the twenty eighth. But there was a bubble 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:52.000 rule in place for COVID concerns, and the league had 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:54.640 all of these restrictions, and the players and their agents 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:57.800 were basically like, wait a second, Like you're you're going 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.440 to screw us over, Like we're not going to have 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.440 access to our trainers, were going to be locked in 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.480 our hotel rooms all day. And they basically said, we're 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.440 not going to participate in any of these drills if 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.680 you don't change the rules. And I think another big 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.040 thing on it was weren't they going to clump a 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:15.040 bunch of the skills and the power drills together? What 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:17.680 they were doing binge and running and all some of that. 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.480 Some of that hasn't changed. Jad hasn't changed. No, And 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.680 I think that to me though, And it's funny because 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:27.120 when this was all going down. I reached out to 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.560 somebody that the Cowboys about Dallas Day, and I reached 0:03:30.560 --> 0:03:34.840 out about the thirty visits because I was curious, you know. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.680 And the word is they're still going to have Dallas 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.480 Day this year, which they hadn't had because of the 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.800 COVID situations, and they were worried about that maybe the 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.120 thirty the thirty visit thing. I said, thirty days, thirty 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.120 visit thing that they have, that maybe they would have 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.480 to add more players to that that the league would 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.440 give them more opportunities to meet with guys. But then 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:55.800 the league came out and said, hell, no, well we'll 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:57.680 do all this other things to kind of make sure 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.640 that we have it and took it took all of 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.840 thirty six hours, Jeff, for the league to reverse course 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.680 on that people were going to show up. Oh, I 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.760 think they would have showed up to Brian's point, and 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.480 that's there was one major agency that announced last week 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.520 where they were like, yeah, if they don't change this stuff, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.640 like our players aren't coming. And I think that is 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.120 your real catalyst where it's just like, look, we're not 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.919 going to do it, because look at the combine, the 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.160 medicals are the most important. But if I'm gonna go 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.360 out there and run a short shuttle and a forty 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:29.240 and do these jumps and I don't feel like the 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.440 environment is conducive to me doing it, well I'm not 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:35.159 doing it. Yep. We've lived at that before though, because 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:38.440 I could lose millions of dollars. Yeah, yeah, with bad runs. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.880 But we've lived with that before. We've lived with they 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.200 weren't going to this time. No, we've lived with We've 0:04:43.240 --> 0:04:45.960 lived with the guys not working out. Like I said, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.920 we're all going to get in our cars and planes 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.440 and stuff and head for all these schools, you know. 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.960 And what's what I'll tell you what though, is also 0:04:54.360 --> 0:04:57.160 something that you know, the the NFL has proven that 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.599 if you don't play football in a year, we'll still 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.719 draft you. You know. That's that, That's that's reality. Damn. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.719 I mean that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.640 absolutely every single one of them. And there's there's a 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.080 time where I wouldn't have believed that, And now the 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:14.520 league has said, you know what, Fine, we had this 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.320 COVID thing, we didn't have all the access to information, 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.119 we didn't have all the medicals. We still put together 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:22.640 a draft board, and we still drafted and a lot 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.159 of guys had success doing this. The medical parts the 0:05:26.160 --> 0:05:28.440 most scary thing to me because you've got players now 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.800 that won't run a forty. I mean, there's plenty of 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.240 guys that you these these tops, some of these top 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.039 quarterbacks whatever, they're not going to run. They're just not 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:37.719 gonna do it. And you know, and it used to 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.039 be that I was starved for numbers. It's really not 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.719 the numbers anymore to me. It's more about now the 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.480 it's more about the film, the medical and how these 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:49.520 guys are going to fit into my to my program, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.480 which if you're if you're new to this or if 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:55.160 you don't follow the combine closely. Brian's brought up the 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.920 medicals a few times, which a big, a huge part 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.600 of this. It's a huge when the guys so downtown 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.960 Indianapolis has three or four medical centers, hospitals, and the 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.920 NFL has made it into a science. Actually, our dear 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:13.240 buddy Chris Hall, the director of college Scouting, still does 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.800 I believe, Yes, he has been in since nineteen ninety 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:17.480 two when I was working in. Yeah, he's been working 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.719 with that and so all three hundred of these players 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:22.840 are two ninety whatever the number is check in and 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:27.520 they get MRIs and X rays and get stuff that 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.080 you've had surgery looked at, and all of that goes 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:32.120 out to the league so that you have a complete 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.760 medical picture on each guy that's participating. That the drills 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:39.520 obviously go on TV, but we all agree that that's 0:06:39.520 --> 0:06:41.840 the most important information coming out of this. Yeah. The 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:44.279 thing about it is is these these teams are broken 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.120 up into pods of doctors and you have the trainers 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:49.400 and the doctors, so you might have five to seven 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:54.040 doctors per pod, So these kids aren't doing thirty two 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:59.119 individual you know, medical evaluations. Now. The great thing about 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.760 the medical evalue at the combine is again the doctor's 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.160 all working together, the team's all working together, sharing information, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.040 grades and stuff like that. It really is well done, 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:12.600 well put together by the trainers and how they do that. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:14.760 But this is the first time that you get to 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.640 see these kids, because there used to be a time 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.200 in the early nineties when I started, where you were 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:23.240 able to ask for the medical records of these players 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.840 and you got that from the trainers. Now with hippolass, no, 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.840 you know, getting that stuff so the first time that 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:36.480 you know anything good or bad about a kid's neck, knee, shoulder, arm, wrist, lungs, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.320 whatever is at the combine. That's where a lot of 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.880 things are discovered. That some of these kids play with 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.400 a lot of ailments. But you got to know if 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.600 there's something that is going to keep us from drafting 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.200 this kid, you have to know that. Well, there's also 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:53.560 like the networking aspect outside of it. When they were 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:55.600 bubbling up, the medicals were still going to be a 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:58.680 part of that, right, It wasn't necessarily a question other 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.040 than maybe the guys that Jeff was talking about. But 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.680 there's that networking side between the teams going out to 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.640 dinner kind of getting they build a player inside as 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.680 much as they get to see the medal. The fifteen 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.600 minute the fifteen minute interview is a is a great 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:15.680 tool for you know, getting to know these kids. You know, 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.520 the better tool is bringing kids on campus here and 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.080 getting to know them. That's the thing. I think that 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.400 that's the thing. I think we get the best evaluation 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.960 of the kid. Which, let me ask you, so this 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.840 is where my brain goes and we've we've all been 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.160 to the combine. It's one of our favorite events of 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:36.640 the year, and so the NFL basically caved and gave 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.960 into these changes. So it's going to go off the 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.480 way it usually does this year. But it makes me 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.240 wonder and I think it's an interesting thought because obviously 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.520 the NFL is clearly interested in the monetization of the combine, 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:54.480 like the drills are televised. We've talked for years about 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.400 the potential to move it to Los Angeles or maybe here. 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.640 Dallas has been linked to it a lot. But do 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:04.720 you feel like a shift away from the importance of 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.720 the combine is happening again? Like guys have opted out 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:12.240 and it hasn't hurt them of seasons, let alone offseason stuff. 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.840 Everybody's got a prote You just said that, and it 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:18.280 just seems like going along with the idea that you know, 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.120 players are willing to sit out of their bowl game, 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.600 players are willing to sit out of the end of 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:26.120 the season in this like trend of player empowerment. Do 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.520 you see a future where like the combines not as 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:31.599 important as it has been for all these years. I 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:34.360 think it's definitely possible because we have advances in what 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:38.000 you can get information wise anyway, right, like we watch 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:40.160 the tape and you're like, all right, that guy's fast, Okay, 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.560 that guy's quick. Oh okay, that guy's bendy. But now 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.120 you have I think some teams will view it as 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.000 things that translate better anyway, Like I don't need your 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:53.640 forty time because I have your GPS speed in pads 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.960 while playing football. I know you're the fastest guy on 0:09:57.000 --> 0:09:59.880 the field because we're tracking all of you. You are fast, 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:03.840 so I could see it. I think there'll always be 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.640 value in just knowing how healthy people are and trying 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.600 to get to know them, which even that part's hard. Yeah, 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.959 because you're coached players before they get to the combine 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.880 to sit down with Brian Broadus or the Jaguars or whoever. 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.200 Like they're coached on how to present themselves and powers 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:23.600 like a job. It's a big job interviews. Yeah, And 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:25.960 so you're like, your goal is how healthy is he 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.920 and is he going to bust his butt to be 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.480 the best player you possibly can? And you don't know 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:32.559 if you're gonna get those answers unless like the college 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:36.120 coaches are honest with you and they're your buddies, Like, yeah, 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.880 I could see the combine either being modified big time 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.120 or it won't No, no, I take it all back. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.880 It will not go away in the league. Won't let 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:46.760 it go. It makes too much money. Yeah, it makes 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.480 too much money. Yeah, that's why. That's why the bubble's gone, 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.480 because the league wants to televise their combine and have 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.640 everybody there. Well, I know for a fact that when 0:10:54.679 --> 0:10:56.880 you start to like I'll give an example. We talked 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.200 about Derek Stingley the other day from LSU and the 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:02.920 questions you might want to ask Derek Stingley and talking 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.760 to people at LSU about them about him is and 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.480 there's questions about Ed Ingram to the Guard as well. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.800 And but with Stingley, the words you're starting to hear 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.199 is if you if you had if you expect him 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.280 to be the alpha male of the group, He's not 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.200 going to be that guy. He's going to need a 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.439 big brother. He's going to need somebody to help him along. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.160 An example that I was given was if Minnesota were 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.400 to draft him and Patrick Peterson were still at Minnesota, 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:31.280 that would be the ideal situation. But those are the 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.920 kinds of questions you want to ask Stingley if you're 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:37.880 getting information from sources at LSU that are telling you 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:40.880 these things about this player, then you want to ask 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.640 those questions and see how he reacts. And that's where 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.360 it's important. You know, LSU will tell you he didn't quit, 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.160 he was legitimately hurt, but they'll also tell you, like 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.320 you know, this is guy's not an alpha male. He's 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:54.320 just not. He's one of those guys that the learning 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:56.320 curve would be a leader and all that. Those are 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:58.800 kinds of questions I'd want to ask. To Jeff's point, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.160 that's important to me. It's important that I figure out 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.840 how bad his foot is with that list Frank injury 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:06.480 and is it something that I'm always going to have 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.640 to deal with or and once I get that taken 0:12:09.640 --> 0:12:11.800 care of, then I want to ask him these questions 0:12:11.800 --> 0:12:13.880 that I've learned about when I've talked to people at 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.280 LSU about him. Just to play Devil's advocate, though, I mean, 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:18.840 you can ask him all that stuff if you bring 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:20.520 him to you. You know That's what I'm saying, though, 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:22.520 But I'd like to know. Maybe maybe it's one of 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.160 those things where maybe the answers he gives me at 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.760 the combine, like, man, I don't I don't like this 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.800 kid's demeanor enough. You know, Sauce Gardener, to me at 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.520 Cincinnati came off as a better guy. He's a healthier 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.559 You know, if you're up there looking at a cornerback 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:37.240 at the top of the draft, the reason you're talking 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.520 to Derek Stanley is because you have a pick to 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:41.920 go get him. You know, that's where so if you're 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.600 looking for a corner. I'm trying to separate, separate these 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:47.200 two guys because I know on everybody's board, those touches, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:50.040 those tags are touching. I'm trying to get, Okay, what's 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.360 the difference between the two. What's making one guy tick? 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.480 What's making one guy's health not be as good? You know, 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.640 those are the kinds of questions I think at the combine. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:01.000 To me, those are the benefits I could do without 0:13:01.040 --> 0:13:03.720 the workout. I really can. Yeah, I mean, the only 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.280 thing the workout provides me is like the old krusty 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.360 scout I am, is that in nineteen ninety two, I 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.720 can compare numbers to twenty twenty two to nineteen ninety two, 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:16.520 and then I have that data. That's the only thing 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:18.760 that that's the only thing that that would work, that 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.720 would bother people who are really into those numbers. Do 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.840 you think it's valuable at all that the combine at 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:29.440 least gives you excuse me, sorry, the combine at least 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:33.560 gives you a baseline, right, absolutely, you know, maybe the 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.240 field the baseline is the tape, the baselines. Oh you're 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.079 talking about the numbers. Yeah, like I mean, maybe it's 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.560 a slow track. But all these we joke about it. 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:42.160 Every year. All these guys head off to their pro 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:45.000 days and shave to tenths of a second off, no question, 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.480 no question, because they roll out of their starts. You know, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.960 Mark Gorshack's not there like blowing the whistle and stopping 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.120 them and all that. And these kids have rested, haven't 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.040 been pushed and pulled. You know, they're more comfortable in 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:59.120 that environment. Running down hill it Ohio State. You know, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.840 when you're sitting down their time and at the end 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:02.839 you're like, man, that guy looks like he's elevated and 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:05.360 he's coming downhill at you. Those are good times. But 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.720 she tike them, you know, like I say, the old 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.240 we're starting to lose, like Lucas oil is different. When 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.800 we used to go to OURCA Dome or the Hoosier Dome, 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.640 different track, different facility, different turf and all those things. 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.480 So the numbers probably don't mean as much as they 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:24.000 once did. I just wonder, and I mean, Jeff, you're 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.360 totally right. I mean, as long as the combine makes money, 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.880 it'll be a thing. But like I just think, and 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:31.760 you tell me, Brian if you agree with me, like 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.440 you've been doing this since the early nineties, Like, players 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:36.760 just have more power than they ever have. I do, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:38.760 they do. They have a lot more power. And you 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.880 know there was a time when damon have a first 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:43.320 round pick and get to talk to Michael Vick. You know. 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.800 I mean, now a player would like, you don't have 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.320 a first round pick, Bro, I'm not talking to you 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.120 that kind of thing. You know, it's changed a lot. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.120 The agents have a lot of power in this thing too. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.400 You know, these players, the Players Association, you know JC 0:14:57.560 --> 0:15:00.000 Treder and those guys. I mean they come out and say, hey, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.560 these guys don't have a voice yet, you know they don't. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:05.600 But players, you know, like I say, these players, we're 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:07.840 gonna look at him, We're gonna draft him, We're gonna 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.320 we're gonna scout him and draft him. But like last year, 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:13.040 we learned. You know, if you can watch film from 0:15:13.080 --> 0:15:15.760 two years ago and determine how great of a player 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.160 Michael Parsons was going to be, more power to you, man. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.520 That's if that's all you need. All you needs to 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.880 tape and all you need the ability to evaluate and 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:25.480 does he fit in your scheme and can you do 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:27.840 other things with him? All the other stuff is just 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.960 kind of like whatever, you know, the guy could play, 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.000 he can play. I just think I don't. I think 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.000 we're in for some sort of shift here over the 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:39.000 next few years. Like that's just the overarching feeling that 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.640 I get. And I think it's an involuntary thing that 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.560 was started by the twenty twenty pandemic. I mean it 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:47.480 started with the fact that you got COVID. Yep. It 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.480 started with the fact that you had that combine in 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.640 twenty twenty. You had it all go normal as the plan, 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.040 and then immediately the pro days were nixed, the visits 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.840 were nixed. All of that goes away, and then the 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.840 next year you had the pro or you had the 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.520 combine or nope, combine, but you had all the pro days, 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:05.480 so you got to see out of those two classes, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.240 which one matters more and if you ask some of 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:09.920 these scouts, you ask some of the team other than 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.880 the medicals at the combine, you really feel like the 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:16.160 informational gathering that you once got from the combine you 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:19.120 could get anywhere else along the way. And Jeff made 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.520 a great point with the GPS and the technology that 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.120 has advanced in this game, and that's going to only 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:27.280 continue to get better and better. It is. It's wild. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.160 It's a huge thing these scouting departments in these front 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.440 offices could use to Some will say that the Cowboys 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.320 have actually drafted better in the chaos. Yeah, you know, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.920 if you think about it, their board picks, their board 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.200 has been better. When you when you think there's chaos, 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.000 just go with your board, you know. That's how you 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:45.840 kind of look at those things. Is there going to 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.600 be chaos this year? I don't know. Without a bunch 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:51.560 of quarterbacks, top rated quarterbacks and really not a sure 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:55.720 number one, I don't think there will be informational chaos. No, No, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.960 But they'll be. They'll be. They'll be, guys, because you 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.440 have teams to have multiple picks. Yeah, and then we'll 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.400 look to you know, we'll teams look to go up. 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.280 We'll teams look to you know, you know, with a 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.680 stand there and make picks. You know. I think that's 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:08.480 where when you have teams that are holding a lot 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:10.520 of cards ahead of you, you're kind of at the 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.520 mercy of those teams. I think that's where other teams 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:14.480 are having to deal with right now. Last thought, the 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.959 Combine will stick around for a while because Dave, as 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.200 you know, as a man who has spent a good 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.320 portion of his career trying to hide in the weeds 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.680 and see if you can spot people talking to people 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:27.400 as part of your job, I do do that. Yeah, 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.879 the Combines about all the combine stuff, but it's also 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.280 about the incredibly rich people at the very top of 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.600 the NFL getting together and drinking beer and eating steaks. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:40.320 It is almos. They want to hang out with their friends. 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:43.120 It matters, It matters to the establishment, and that means 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.840 it won't go away. That's a very good point. All right, 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.960 we got into the nuts. We got it. 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