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Speaker 1: and today we're gonna be talking about it Man, the

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Speaker 1: We're talking about aunt Man. We're talking about aunts, We're

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Speaker 1: talking about the possible science of miniaturization. Uh. Aunt Man,

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Speaker 1: of course, is the latest Marvel Cinematic Universe movie to

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Speaker 1: It has just hit the digital streaming market and I

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Speaker 1: believe it's it's either out on DVD and Blu Ray

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Speaker 1: saw in the theater. I did. I saw it in

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Speaker 1: For the most part. I was a little bit on

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like my favorite or anything, but but the

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Speaker 1: science was particularly interesting. Yeah, the science was. I just

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Speaker 1: I definitely came into it not you know, I wasn't

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Speaker 1: certain what to expect because on one hand, I don't

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Speaker 1: though I love miniaturization science fiction as well discussed um, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was kind of like, well, not enough that he's

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Speaker 1: influenced so much pop culture. Oh yeah, he did. And

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Speaker 1: But so Cacallios in his book argues that if PIM

427
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 1: particles were somehow able to change the mass of electrons,

428
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,440
Speaker 1: that those particles would then be in closer orbits and

429
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,480
Speaker 1: the um. This is called the bore radius. We're gonna

430
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: end up talking about this and Planks constant quite a bit,

431
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: and so those particles would be closer in orbit to

432
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,959
Speaker 1: the respective atoms and molecules that they surround, because electrons

433
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 1: and the interactions between them are ultimately what prevent these

434
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 1: objects from ever really touching each other. Having all the

435
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 1: electrons in an object suddenly game mass would theoretically shrink

436
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,840
Speaker 1: the whole object. But again I'm not quite sure that

437
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: that all adds up. So and like we said, atoms

438
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 1: are always the same size right. In fact, they're a

439
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: third of a nanometer. That's kind of how we quantify them. Uh.

440
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 1: This is as planks constant uh implies a constant of

441
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: quantum mechanics. So if you change the size of an atom,

442
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: you would have to come up with a mechanism that

443
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: just changes the value of all constants and science, right,

444
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: it would just completely throw off physical properties of everything,

445
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 1: not just like shrink things. So so instead Cacalios recommends

446
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: this changing the bore radius method UH, which is related

447
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: to the average size of an atom. I don't know,

448
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they actually add up. But there is

449
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 1: um another person who did some really great science articles

450
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: over at Wired dot com. I believe his name is

451
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: Rhett Elaine. He always does these fun articles looking at

452
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: the science of superheroes whenever one of these big budget

453
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: UM superhero movies comes out. He did two articles on

454
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: ant Man uh and so he proposed two options. One was,

455
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: uh ant Man could keep his same mass, but in

456
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: this scenario his density would increase. Okay, so he shrinks,

457
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: but he's he's super dense. At half an inch tall,

458
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: he would be two point eight million times more dense

459
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: than a regular human. So he would obviously just sink

460
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: right through everything. You know. He would sink through a tabletop,

461
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: you would sink through the earth, you know. So it

462
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 1: would be able to ride an around. No, but I

463
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: kill every and but I remember thinking, like when they

464
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 1: when they just naturized him in the film and something,

465
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: he's showing all these superpowers. I was thinking, well, maybe

466
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,479
Speaker 1: it's there's a certain amount of density involved, Like essentially,

467
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: he's this really heavy bullet that can just launch him

468
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: like that. He's or like that he's moving the density

469
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: around in his body somewhere right, Like, maybe he's moving

470
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: that two point eight million times of density into his

471
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: fist and that's why when he punches people at super

472
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: tiny size. I don't know, it doesn't it doesn't quite

473
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: work out, but that was one of the Lane's best guesses.

474
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: Uh so there's that. Or he could keep his same

475
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,439
Speaker 1: density and have a lower mass. But where does the

476
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: mask go? And that's essentially the argument of the Stanley

477
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: science behind this, which is, well, it just goes into

478
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: an alternate dimension. Um, there's an exhaust pipe of just

479
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: pure energy. I want to know, I want to like

480
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: see what this alternate like all Hank pims mass or

481
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: where what kind of mass is he pulling in when

482
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: he when he grows larger. But yeah, so the idea

483
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: here is that you know, but they would potentially also

484
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: convert to energy, like if you're shunting that kind of

485
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 1: mass around. I think Elaine even says at one point

486
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: that like that if you do the math on it,

487
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: the amount of energy that would be created if he

488
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: was shrinking Downder the size he has could like power

489
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: a city or something like that. Um, so the best

490
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: he comes up with is this shifting mass thing, putting

491
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: it into other dimensions, and the way he looks at

492
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,640
Speaker 1: it is like, well, he does like an illustration of uh,

493
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: if you move two dimensions into three dimensions, here's how

494
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: it would work. And then he sort of hypothesizes maybe

495
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 1: what's going on with ant Man is he's shifting three

496
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: dimensional mass into a fourth dimension somehow that we're not

497
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: quite aware of. This would allow him to have the

498
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: same mass, the same strength and everything, but he wouldn't

499
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: actually be small, right, It would just be like an

500
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: illusion because we're seeing like a fourth dimensional object in

501
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: third three dimensions or something like that. Yeah, yeah, we

502
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 1: have three spatial dimensions in a in a fourth dimension

503
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: of time, but in this case, it would be a

504
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: fourth spatial dimension, which makes me, you know, try and

505
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: imagine it. It's kind of kind of like this big

506
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: dude and it becomes small and he pushes his excess

507
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: mass out into a gigantic tumor that extends into another

508
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: spatial dimension. This is what I think that the people

509
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: who are currently working on ant Man comics should be exploring,

510
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: is like, what does that gross fourth dimension look like?

511
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: Where he's just pushing mass and pulling mass. There's got

512
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: to be something creepy to tell you, I'm just imagining

513
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: like Origami and an aphex twin video coming together. It

514
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: work perfectly. I think that's what the Edgar Right version

515
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: of the media. So Okay, So this leads us to

516
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: the big question. Yeah, miniaturization is totally impossible. But what

517
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: about this whole ant man strength thing? Right? So the

518
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: premises because that's a big, big part of it is

519
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: not only small. It's one thing to be small and

520
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: like spying people and maybe move the pins around, but

521
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: ultimately he's also able to fight dudes that are giants

522
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: to him. Yeah. In the movies, he's like he can

523
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: jump with this amount of strength that he would have

524
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: if he was normal size. So he's this this ant

525
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: that's leaping up and jumping around guns and stuff like

526
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: that and punching people out. Uh. And this goes back

527
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: to the comics Entails to Astonish number thirty eight. Pim

528
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: says that he retains all of his normal size and

529
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: strength when he shrinks. Uh. And Kakalios asks in his book,

530
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: how does aunt Man punch his way out of a

531
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: paper bag? And he uses an example from one of

532
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: the old comics in which aunt Man gets trapped in

533
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: a vacuum bag. I think like he gets vacuumed up

534
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: and he's in the bag, and he just punches his

535
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: way right through because he's like, well, I have the

536
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 1: strength of a normal size guy, and a normal size

537
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: guy could punch those bags and no, whoop um. There's

538
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: interesting science behind this that it may be plausible. Now,

539
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: remember the miniaturization. We don't have an answer for that.

540
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: But our actual strength comes from our skeleton and our muscles,

541
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 1: and they act like a series of interconnected levers. Right,

542
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: So think of strength as lift and our arms are

543
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: the levers that lift things and throw them. Right. Well,

544
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: if you use the principles of seesaw and torque, as

545
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: Cacalios does, he argues, aunt Man could punch his way

546
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: out of a bag. Basically, it goes like this. The

547
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: ratio of movement in the human arm is one to seven,

548
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: regardless of what your size is. Right, It's all about

549
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: the cross sectional area of muscles in our arms. Uh So,

550
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: it's not the length that matters, it's sort of their proportions. Okay,

551
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: So if ant Man, this is Cacalios's math, If aunt

552
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: Man is point zero to one times his normal height,

553
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: the force of his muscles provide a reduced factor of

554
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: ready for it, point zero one squared, which equals point

555
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: zero zero zero one. And at normal size, if he

556
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: could punch with a force of two hundred pounds, divide

557
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: that by his fist cross sectional size of five square inches. Okay,

558
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 1: the pressure his fist applies is forty pounds per square inch.

559
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: So he's he's making a rough guest that like a

560
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: normal size person that you know could could probably make

561
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: about forty pounds per square inch punch. At tiny size,

562
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: he delivers less force right. In fact, it would be

563
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: in comparison to the two hundred pounds point zero two pounds.

564
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: But his fist is also smaller, so the force per

565
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: unit area of his tiny punch also comes out to

566
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: forty pounds per square inch when you do the math,

567
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: which is point zero two pounds divided by the size

568
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: of point zero zero zero five square inches for his

569
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: fifth size. So Cacalias did all this out and he

570
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: thinks he, regardless of the size, he can punch with

571
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: the pressure of forty pounds per square inch and therefore

572
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: punch his way out of the paper bag. But my

573
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: question is this what happens when he grows. I know

574
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: in the Ant Man movie, like he hasn't gotten to

575
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: that point yet. I'm sure that will be in the

576
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 1: sequel where he gets big, right, but like, uh, I

577
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: think there was a scene where like, uh an ant

578
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: accidentally like ingested the stuff and got the size of

579
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: a dog and it has no problem moving around. Yeah. Yeah,

580
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: So like, based on this cross sectional area math, does

581
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: that then mean if like he's Giant Man, that he's

582
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: still also punching with forty pounds per square inch because

583
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: it's based on the cross section of his fist size

584
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 1: and the force that his arm is applying. Yeah, I mean,

585
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: there a whole set of constraints that come into play

586
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: in the when you can't start thinking about the giant side.

587
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,959
Speaker 1: For instance, Cacalios points out that you could compare Giant

588
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: Man to a redwood tree. The taller the tree, the

589
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: wider the trunk, and in order to provide support for

590
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: the large mass above it, the tree needs a very

591
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: broad base. And he says, quote, Giant Man could in

592
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: principle grow as tall as a redwood tree, but he

593
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: would have to be just as mobile, so we just

594
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: immediately fall over. Yeah, yeah, I think I remember there's

595
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: like a point where they sort of update the comics. Uh.

596
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: And when he does the giant man thing, that's something

597
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: he talks about like he has a really hard time balancing. Uh. Yeah,

598
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean it just it's a it's more about the

599
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: anatomy than it is about the size. Yeah. Like an

600
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: example that I've run across multiple times when dealing with

601
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: large fantastic creatures, particularly when you're talking about gods, Villa

602
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: and King Kong and stuff, is think of a cow

603
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: as a sphere. Okay, a spherical cow. Uh. And as

604
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: a sphere gets bigger, it's volume increases more rapidly than

605
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: its surface area. Double the radius of a sphere and

606
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: the surface area increases four times, and the volume increases

607
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: eight times. So you double something size and you keep

608
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: its proportions the same. Well, that means that the weight

609
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 1: doesn't double or even quadruple, it increases by a factor

610
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: of eight. So a creatures more morphography, especially human morphography,

611
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to match that. You need stocky your limbs.

612
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: Um giant man might need to walk around on all

613
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: fours like a like a like a dinosaur, And then

614
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: you have to also factor in things like blood flow

615
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: and other issues like think of the giraffe. Since the

616
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: giraffe's brain is so far away from its heart, it

617
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: boasts an extremely high blood blood pressure about twice that

618
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: found in humans and uh, and plus the giraffe heartbeats

619
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 1: up to one seventy times per minute, double that of humans.

620
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: And the plumbing is is also a position so that

621
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: so that there's a special net of arteries and veins

622
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: that divert blood flow when it lowers its head to

623
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: drink to keep this increased pressure to the head from

624
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: making its head explode. Yeah, so okay, The pim particles

625
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: may address the fictional science of like shunting mass to

626
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: another dimension, but they certainly don't address all those anatomical needs,

627
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: both in the large form of giant man or goliath

628
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: or whatever he wants to call himself this week or

629
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: when he gets tiny as a man. Right, It's kind

630
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: of like thinking from a like an economic uh point

631
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: of view, Like imagine a McDonald's restaurant in a small town, right,

632
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: and just thinking about the economic job. But if you

633
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: just say, hey, let's make this a bigger operation. Let's

634
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: put one on every street corner, Let's let's do sixteen

635
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: McDonald's restaurants in this one small town can Does that

636
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: make sense because it's not isolated, it's not existing in

637
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: a bubble. It's tied in to the economic infrastructure of

638
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: the surrounding area. And that's what we see time and

639
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: time again with miniaturization or or or giant man. Is

640
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: that whatever the size of the being, it's it's atomic structure,

641
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: it's molecular structure, the it's it's morphography, every every aspect

642
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: of its existence is tied into the fabric that's going

643
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: to have to exist in the ecosystem around it that

644
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: isn't shrinking or growing, right, And that is the hard

645
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: party then and then involved the building blocks that involves

646
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: the function everything. Yeah, and this is you know why,

647
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, we always hear this, like I don't know

648
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: what the exact figure is, but like ants are fifty

649
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: times stronger than human beings are for their proportional size

650
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. This is basically why because that whole cross

651
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: sectional anatomy type thing. Right, Okay, so aunt man gets

652
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 1: his strength from the fact that an organisms volume is

653
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: dependent on the cube of its height, right, But if

654
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: you extrapolate the math all the way outwards, you get

655
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: these ants that can lift objects that are many times

656
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 1: their own mass, Right, So that's where that comes from.

657
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: It's that the the the anatomy of the ant is

658
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: giving them the strength, not necessarily the size. Yeah, and

659
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: imagined they also took some inspiration from the jumping power

660
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: of the common Fleet, which is the the most tremendous

661
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: jumping potential for its size of any creature on the planet. Yeah,

662
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: that's definitely like the bits where he's like bouncing around

663
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,439
Speaker 1: and jumping off bullets and stuff. All Right, So there's

664
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: a scene in the movie where and this is like

665
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: I think pretty spoiler ish for the movie, Uh, he

666
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: shrinks down so small that he enters into do they

667
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: call it the quantum realm? And they do. Uh. And

668
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: so basically the fictional premise here is that, like there's

669
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: something with the suit where like if if you don't

670
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: regulate it the right way or something, you shrink down

671
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: and you're lost forever in the quantum room. And this

672
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: is what happened to the loss, Like if you try

673
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 1: and go too small in order to you know, go

674
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: through a particularly difficult a material, then you run the

675
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 1: risk of just getting smaller and smaller entering the quantum

676
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: realm and just losing yourself in a place where the

677
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: rules of of our physical world don't necessarily hope. So

678
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: this is sort of like the movie logic and comic logic.

679
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: I guess of like, why he doesn't get smaller than

680
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: half an inch tall? Right? Yeah, because he just gets

681
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: way out of his league, and smaller he gets. And

682
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: of course there's a This is based in a large

683
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: part on on on a very real place that we

684
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: we scientists, actually called the quantum realm. And this is

685
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 1: where events play out at distances of nanometers. Many laws

686
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: and classical physics of the classical physics appear to break down.

687
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 1: So in the quantum realm, for instance, scientists can predict

688
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: very little with one accuracy. According to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle,

689
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: you can't even measure the position of an object without

690
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: disturbing its momentum in an unpredictable way. Classical physics physics

691
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: also fail to account for this phenomenon, as it serves

692
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 1: as a prime example of what we call quantum weirdness.

693
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Uh there's also the so called EPR paradox name for

694
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Albert Einstein uh bores Podolski and Nathan Rosen. And this

695
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: applies an even extants, even stranger example of quantum weirdness,

696
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: in which to sub atomic particles thousands of light years

697
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: apart can instantaneously respond to each other's motions. And this

698
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: is of course quantum entanglement. It takes place at the

699
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: particle level. And uh and in two thousand nine, I

700
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: just were actually able to produce the effect with linked superconductors.

701
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: So it's it's a place where, yeah, we're thinking the

702
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: weird things are, We're still trying to understand how everything works.

703
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: It's also a perfect place for magic and the unexplained

704
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: to emerge in a comic. Yeah, and definitely, like I

705
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: think a lot of people described Aunt Man is like

706
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: the weirdest superhero you've ever seen, And I think the

707
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: quantum realm stuff is probably why, because like when he

708
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: goes into the quantum realm, it's basically like a psychedelic

709
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: acid trip, right, Yeah, And I thought they did a

710
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: good job of presenting it that way, because I mean,

711
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: how do you visually present this quantum realm? And yeah, well,

712
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 1: the human senses at that size wouldn't be able to

713
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: comprehend what's going on. It's interesting to you ask if

714
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: they actually call it the quantum realm in the movie.

715
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: And apparently we can thank Macalicus for that, because they

716
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: were going to call it the micro verse. Okay, that's

717
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: that's that's from the comics. That's why I was surprised,

718
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: because I was like, oh, it's the micro verse. He's

719
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: gonna go to the micro verse where the micro knots. Right.

720
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: But but the thing is, like, apparently micro verse is

721
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: tied up with some legal issues, so they asked Macalico s.

722
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: They asked that. They said, hey, what's a better term,

723
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: and he rattled off a list of possible terms, and

724
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: they said, oh, quantum realm. That's the one, the real thing. Yeah,

725
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: it's it's both the real thing and also it sounds

726
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: far more fantastic than any of the other options. Yeah.

727
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't remember what the deal is with the legal issues,

728
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: but micro Knots is owned by some toy company like

729
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: it might be Kenner or somebody like, and therefore I

730
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: think things that are related to that can't be used

731
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: by Marvel in cinema. So what are some other issues

732
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: that pop up? All? Right, So let's pretend for a

733
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,439
Speaker 1: second that we can miniaturize, you can. Let's let's agree

734
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,280
Speaker 1: with Stanley science or shunting mass off to an alternate

735
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: tumor dimension. Uh, but there's lots of issues with our

736
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: human anatomy when we get to that size. So just

737
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: think about communicating if you're aunt Man size, right, if

738
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: you shrink to the size of an ant, your vocal

739
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: cords will shrink as well, which will ray is your

740
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 1: voice from two hundred hurts to about three thousand, four

741
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: hundred hurts, So you'd have this really high pitched, squeaky voice.

742
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: So even if he had like the little headset or

743
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: whatever that allows them to communicate with normal sized people,

744
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: they would just hear this really high pitched like like

745
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: he just I guess sucked in helium or yea. You'd

746
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: have to have an adapter than his trans uh. And

747
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: this is from Cacallios, by the way, in his book.

748
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: And he also did some interviews around the time that

749
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: the movie came out. Uh. So he also wouldn't be

750
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: able to aunt Man wouldn't be able to project his

751
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: voice because he'd have so much less air in his

752
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 1: diagram again, like he's shrinking. The size of air. Molis

753
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: are not shrinking, so he's not gonna be able to

754
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: fit them in in his lungs right. Also, the vibrating

755
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: cilia in his ears would also shrink, which would go

756
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: from him being able to hear twenty hurts to three

757
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: d and forty hurts. He wouldn't be able to hear

758
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: normal human speech, which again is at two hundred hurts,

759
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: so it would just be like this tone that he's

760
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: not able to distinguish. And finally, his vision would be

761
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: terrible because the size of his eye opening is not

762
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: a hundred or rather, as ours are hundreds of times

763
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 1: greater than the wavelength of light, right, so when he

764
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: shrinks down now, it would only be like ten times

765
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: as great as the wavelength of light. This would basically

766
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: make everything fuzzy and blurred because light waves would be

767
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: scattering off of his iris and diffracting differently than they

768
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: normally do. This is why insects have eyes that are

769
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: so drastically different than than our eyes. Yeah, and even

770
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: so the ant from you know, from whom he takes

771
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: his namesake, have generally terrible vision, so in a sense

772
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: that would make it would it would work perfectly that

773
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: aunt Man couldn't see Jack and we talked about density,

774
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, briefly, but again, if he can ride on

775
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: top of an ant, then his mass has got to

776
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: also decrease in some way, or if his density remains constant,

777
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: because keep in mind, density equals mass divided by volume,

778
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: he's going to sink right through ant. It's so many

779
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: dead ants um breathing. So I talked about this briefly, right, So, Okay,

780
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: he's gonna have trouble breathing. And that's they sort of

781
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: hint at that, right, like that's in the movie. They're like, well,

782
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: he has to wear the suit like you can't shrink it,

783
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: Like he has to have a miniaturized air supply as well,

784
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: because he's miniaturized air molecules to breathe. Yeah, they don't

785
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: really address how they're miniaturizing the air, but let's let's

786
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: assume that that's what they're doing. But essentially the science

787
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: would go like this. If you were suddenly shrunk down,

788
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 1: the air would be like as if you were at

789
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: the top of the tallest mountain. The amount of air

790
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: would stay the same, but the volume it occupies would

791
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: drastically increase relative to you and your new tiny size.

792
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: So if you're the size of atoms. There's no way

793
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: you could inhale the billions of oxygen atoms. You would

794
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: need to keep your human sized metabolism running smoothly. Again,

795
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: it ties into the just the economics of this creature

796
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 1: and it has to exist within the local economy. Uh

797
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: and Michael Kas also brought up the idea of ant

798
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: man would have some problems with cooling down, so because

799
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have the same amount of surface area that

800
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: he normally has to dissipate the heat that his body generates.

801
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: Even moderate exertion would generate an incredible amount of heat

802
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 1: without anywhere to go, unless maybe the heat is also

803
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: going to that magical fourth dimensional tumor thing. Yeah, or

804
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: his suit is operating as a cooling skill suit, which

805
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: also doesn't work. As Joe and I explored in the

806
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: Dune episodes, it's all it's yeah, it's all weird, even

807
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: down to the point where like apparently I think this

808
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 1: was another Elaine article that he would run really weird.

809
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: So the same way we're talking about, like if your

810
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: giant size, you would need to have like kind of

811
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: stumpy legs balance, right, if he gets shrunk down in

812
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: proportion to the gravitational field. He would be running in

813
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: this very bizarre way, and it would be like kind

814
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: of like these small hops is what it would basically

815
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: look like. Um, and that's not even getting into the

816
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: serials science. Right, So maybe he can shrink himself, but

817
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: how does he shrinking his suit or his clothes or

818
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: all the other things around him. In the comics they

819
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: explain it away with something called that Stanley was just

820
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: like unstable molecules, that's it. And and uh, the unstable

821
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: molecules are actually a real thing, but these are the

822
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: molecules that are falling apart or exploding for one reason

823
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: or another. Uh, So there's that's not really much of

824
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: an answer. But in in comics that's like, this is

825
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: how the human torch can like set himself on fire

826
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: and his clothes don't burn away. So how Mr Pants, yeah,

827
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: Hels Pants or Mr Fantastic and stretch really far and

828
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: his clothes don't rip. Uh, presumably ant Man is also

829
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: wearing something made of unstable molecules. The closest we've got

830
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: to this in real life is their shape memory materials,

831
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: and they basically have an original configuration and then they

832
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: get deformed, and they can undergo phase transitions based on

833
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: like temperature, temperature changes, pressure, or applied electrical fields. So

834
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: like um superhero example of this, think of Batman in

835
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: those um Christopher Nolan movies. He applies an electrical field

836
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: to his cape and it makes it hard so he

837
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: can kind of glide around, and then the electrical field

838
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: goes away and it goes back to just being a cape.

839
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of hilarious that that a certain amount

840
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: of thought and science, or at least science fiction, went

841
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: into trying to figure out how to make these superheroes

842
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: wear clothes. But when it comes to the female characters, especially,

843
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: there's there's a tremendous amount of effort in trying to

844
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: make them wear as little as possible. So they might

845
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: as well have just said, hey, sorry, science says that

846
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: our superheroes can't wear clothes. They have to be naked.

847
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: If you really want to go down the internet rabbit hole,

848
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: look up how many costumes the Wasp has worn over

849
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 1: the years. Uh, she's I believe They explain it away

850
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: at one point by saying like, oh, she's a fashion designer,

851
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: so she's constantly changing her costume. But like there's like

852
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: hundreds of costumes and they they go from you know,

853
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,919
Speaker 1: kind of conservative and moderate too. Yeah, it gets pretty

854
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: skimpy around the nineties. Okay, so let's talk about these ants.

855
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: So the premise the set, the if aunt man's power

856
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: set is shrinking and controlling ants, right, and they how

857
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: do they explain it that the helmet somehow amidst frequencies

858
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: or pheromones or something like that that allow him to

859
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: control ants movements basically like he's like playing a video game, right. Uh.

860
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: And the way that they showed in the movie is

861
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: like Hank pim even whereas like kind of like it

862
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: looks like a hearing aid, but it's actually like his

863
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: little controller, right. Yeah, it's like a what a cybernetic helmet.

864
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: I think it's sometimes explained, but but again this, yeah,

865
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,760
Speaker 1: this gets kind of iffy as to how he's actually

866
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: controlling them because when it comes to ant communication, Um,

867
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: most of this is happening via those pheromones, Like you say,

868
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: it's chemical messages detected by other ants through their antenna.

869
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: And then this is supported by tactile acoustic and least

870
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: of all a little visual communication. So we're talking a

871
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: high pitched chirps strokes with the antenna and for like

872
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: vibration and how's a helmet going to manage all effect? Right, Yeah,

873
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: this is from the comics too. I mean they definitely

874
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: build this into the ant Man character in the comics

875
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: pretty early because I think that that was how their

876
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: explanation basically for how he got around was that like

877
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: he wrote around on ants with wings and that's how

878
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: he got from one place to another at tiny size.

879
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: The interesting part is that if you're looking at it

880
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: as aunt man manipulating the ants and winning their aid, uh,

881
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, by making them believe that he's some sort

882
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: of privileged aunt um there, we actually see versions of

883
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: this in the natural world. He's he's not the first

884
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: organism to trick ants into doing his bidding. Okay, I'm

885
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: guessing this is stuff to blow your minds from guessing

886
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,959
Speaker 1: a parasite's going to come into play here, you know it. Yeah,

887
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: particular type of specialized inverberate parasite. They're known that they're

888
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: generally known on grouped together as remcca files or ant lovers,

889
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: and so what they've done is they've they've they tricked

890
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: the ant population into accepting or overlooking their intrusion. And

891
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: there was a two thousand fifteen study published in Plos

892
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: One that that examined a particular species of beetle Pepa

893
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: vary And uh, this particular beetle makes its home inside

894
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 1: an ant colony, and you know, a heavily guarded, nearly

895
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: impenetrable fortress that has all of these resources. It seems

896
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: like the most dangerous place in the world as as

897
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: another insect to try and carve out your livelihood. It's

898
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 1: like trying to live in more door right as a hobbit,

899
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: and just like stealing food here and there and just

900
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: convincing everyone that you're supposed to. Yeah. So this particular beetle,

901
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: it seems to achieve this through a complex dance of

902
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: both chemical and auditory mimicry. So it convinces the ant

903
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: it's one of them, even as it feeds on their

904
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: larva and benefits from the colony's protection. Yeah, and uh,

905
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: it's uh, it seems like this this beetle may even

906
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: mimic the queen from time to time in order to

907
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: receive royal treatment from the surrounding colony. It's like backrubs

908
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: and stuff. Yeah, or you know, just special protection, special

909
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: special feeding privileges. But but it also knows the limits,

910
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: like you know, otherwise it leaves the queen unharmed. It

911
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 1: knows that's a line it can't cross. So it doesn't

912
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: seek to decimate the host colony, but rather to thrive

913
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: within it as a you know, a perfect parasitic member society.

914
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: Right if it started to disintegrate it from within, they'd

915
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: probably catch on. Yeah, so I could see I could

916
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: see you aunt Man working along those lines. Okay, So

917
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: there's a scene in aunt Man which is super Exposition

918
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: where they're basically like training him how to use his powers,

919
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: and Michael Douglas has hank him does this thing where

920
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, these are like your allies. There's this

921
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of ant, and this kind of ant, this ants

922
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: really really good for flying on and this ant's going

923
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: to build a bridge for you. And this ant stings

924
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: really hard, right, Like they all have kind of their

925
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 1: own superpower that he can apply in various situations. In fact,

926
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: there's one and they're one that like absorbs electricity or

927
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: some thing like that. Yeah. Yeah, the crazy ants um

928
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: which I'll go and talk about the crazy ant a

929
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: little bit here. Um, the one that we're most familiar

930
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: with here in the Estates is the crazy Raspberry ant.

931
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: And this one continues to make the news, is that

932
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, invades Texas and Florida. It rolls over fire

933
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: ant populations. Actually like they end up wiping those guys out,

934
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: which it might seem like that's a that's good because

935
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: the crazy ants don't have that painful sting. You don't

936
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: have to worry about your toddler wandering out and encountering

937
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: them so much. But they do have a tendency to

938
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: just overwhelm home. They'll short out electrical boxes and crawl

939
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: up into your computer and short that out too, And

940
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: it's still kind of an open question is to why

941
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: they seem to crave electricity. But some species of ants

942
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: are capable of detecting electromatic magnetic fields and might even

943
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: use the earth magnetic field as a navigational tool. And

944
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: the speculation the birds can do that as well. YEA, yeah,

945
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: so that's like that that's a whole another like realm

946
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 1: of sensory realm that we as humans just don't have

947
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: access to, right, so there would be a good ally

948
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: to have down there at at this the smaller level

949
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: of existence. But there's also the theory that crazy ants

950
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: just mistake the fields associated with electoral electoral gadgetry as

951
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: road signs. But it's also possible that they're just scouting

952
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: a new nest and hey, you look at a computer

953
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: right here. It's better. It's a dry interior, there are

954
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: fewer entry points and exit points. It's just a great

955
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: place by their estimation to secure a stronghold. Yeah, yeah,

956
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, so you know, I could see

957
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: them making good allies. But again, with any of these

958
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: these ant examples, you also have to say, how is

959
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: how is aunt Man convincing them to do all these

960
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: operations so far away from their colony. Yeah, you've seen

961
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: it more recently than me. I'm trying to remember how

962
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,280
Speaker 1: he uses the ants. It's like when he's breaking into

963
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 1: the super secure facility, he's somehow crazy short out the

964
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: system to force field or whatever it is it's keeping

965
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: him from getting out. Okay, Well, then there's the bridge

966
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: building ants. Uh. And I have to say I really

967
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: liked the UM the special effects for how they did

968
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: the ants in particular. Yeah, they would have favorite parts

969
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: of the movie. UM, But the bridge bundling ants. That's

970
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: for real. Um fire ants can act like either a

971
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: fluid or a solid. In fact, I think we did

972
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: something on how stuff works now about this recently and

973
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: like the last month. It might have been Lauren vocal

974
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: bobs um. I'll make sure to link to that on

975
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: the land because it's cool. There's some cool videos from

976
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: the studies that these guys have been doing. In fact,

977
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: they're right down the street over at Georgia Tech. Guys

978
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: Jong Yang Liu and David Hugh have observed this, this

979
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: fluid solid shifting back and forth between Now it's not

980
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: one fire ants shifting back and forth between states. It's

981
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: a whole colony of them. But they can basically pour

982
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: themselves out like a liquid or spring back when something

983
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 1: presses down on them. In fact, in the video they

984
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: show like it's not like a brick, but it's something

985
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: heavy and they're pushing down fifty ants, and the ants

986
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 1: all kind of like spring back and forth to allow

987
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 1: for that pushing. Um So fire ants. The reason why

988
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: they have this ability is they have to cope with

989
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: periodic downpours in their natural environment, so they evolved the

990
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: ability to clump together into structures and so um liu

991
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: and who are using rheometers, which are used to measure

992
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: the flow of liquids or slurries like cement, uh, to

993
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: to measure the viscosity and the elasticity of these balls

994
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: of ants. And they found out that these fire ants

995
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: can flow and move around as a group, acting like

996
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 1: like thick fluid, right or or or like rubber in

997
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: some instances. And yes, they construct bridges to get across

998
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: gaps in the same way that you see them do

999
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,959
Speaker 1: this in the in the movie. UH. They can also

1000
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 1: quickly repair any damage to the structure they create. Right. So,

1001
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: like let's say they make a bridge and like a

1002
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: rock falls and it kills like ten of the ants. Well,

1003
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 1: the other ants are all they're all gonna sense this

1004
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: and reinforce the living structure and move in um. The

1005
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: researchers actually subjected them to different vibrations to cause them

1006
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: to spring into action and fix the bridge at different frequencies. Uh.

1007
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: And they also pull closer to each other and tighten

1008
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: their grip to fill in holes make sure that the

1009
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: structure holds together. The practical implications here, apparently are that

1010
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: they're trying to figure out, well, how do these ants

1011
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: do this, so we can replicate it and make self

1012
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: assembling robots. So that would be fairly interesting if we

1013
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: had these little, tiny ant sized robots that could, you know,

1014
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: theoretically form bridges for us to drive across or something.

1015
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not quite sure how they would pull

1016
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: it off. It sounds like we're years away from something

1017
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: like that. It would be pretty cool. Yeah that that,

1018
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean you basically have like a T one thousand

1019
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of Yeah, that's what they compare it to. Yeah. Um,

1020
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: so like the theory is, well, it's not a theory

1021
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: that they show this in the video. Actually, if you

1022
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: drop a penny into a quote ocean of ants, you've

1023
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: just got this pile of ants. They absorbed the impact

1024
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: of the penny dropping that, catching it and then slowly

1025
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: lowering it to the bottom of whatever they're in. Uh.

1026
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 1: And these live ants will even let go and behave

1027
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: like they're dead in some instances. So they can help

1028
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: decrease the viscosity of the overall ant structure and allow

1029
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: it to have more of a liquid flow to it.

1030
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: So that part of the science bridge building ants. Yeah,

1031
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 1: for real cool And that actually lines up rather nicely

1032
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: with the raft building ants that we also see this

1033
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: is I think the way that he infiltrates High Security

1034
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: lab is that he goes in through the water pipes

1035
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,439
Speaker 1: and you're riding a raft made up of ants joined

1036
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: together into a little structure. And we actually see this,

1037
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: uh with a number of different ants. They bind together

1038
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: into a raft when cataclysmic floods threatened the colony. And

1039
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, they do this pretty much in the same

1040
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: way you've described the formation of these bridges. Yeah, but

1041
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: but you get into a question like, well, how how

1042
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: do you build that structure? I mean, how do you

1043
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: arrange it? And that gets really interested, Right, how do

1044
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: you decide who's the one which which aunt has to

1045
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: be underwater and drowned? Yeah, I mean imagine say any

1046
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: group of people, you know, the crew of a pirate ship,

1047
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: and the ship's thinking and they're like, all right, made,

1048
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 1: he's buying together because we're going to form ourselves a

1049
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: new both made out of your body. So then you know,

1050
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: what do you do? Castraws to see who's going to

1051
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: be at the bottom is going to get to be

1052
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 1: on top? Well, there's a cool study that looked into this.

1053
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 1: The two thousand fourteen study from Jessica Purcell at the

1054
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: University of Lasagne, and she took a closer look at

1055
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: the rafts physical and social structure. Specifically, she looked at

1056
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: the functional geometry of rafts in the ant for micah Cell, yes,

1057
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: these are ants that are a bundant in the floodplains

1058
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: throughout the Apps and the Pyrenees. Unsurprisingly, the queen occupies

1059
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: the center of the raft. She's the most important, she's

1060
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: the package, she is the the ant man of this, uh,

1061
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: this particular raft. Okay, so this is a scenario where

1062
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: he's probably making them think he's the queen. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would imagine he would have to convince them Ham the queen,

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Speaker 1: I'm important. You've gotta get me through. So take tangled

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Speaker 1: worker ants then make up the outside of the raft.

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Speaker 1: And this might come as a shock, but Larval ant

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00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: that larval aunt brood makes up the lowest portions of

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Speaker 1: the craft, so they put the essentially put the babies

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Speaker 1: on the bottom, which you wouldn't expect. But yeah, but

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Speaker 1: Lussain found that since the brood the larva are the

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00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: most buoyant members of the colony, they actually survive exceedingly

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00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: well down there and ultimately work really well float and

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00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: so their survival rate is on was on par with

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00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: the rest of the crew, and when brood items were

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00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: not available to to build the lower portion of the raft,

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Speaker 1: the worker ants formed the bottom of the raft as well.

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Speaker 1: But they also presume proved a rather resistant to drowning,

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00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: but required extended recovery time upon landing. So it's it's

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00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: it's interesting to imagine these ants and think of the

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00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: dances as this last ditch survival effort. You just bound

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00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: bind together into this this raft, this arc when you're

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00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: delivered to this new location and then everybody just starts

1083
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: setting up a Wow. Yeah, just the social communication and

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00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: decision making amongst ants is so alien and uh just

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00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: alien to how we think about things. Yeah, I mean

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00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: when I see ants come into my home through the window,

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00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 1: sill up onto the kitchen counter, and I kind of

1088
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: think about this stuff. Then it's like how do they

1089
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: how they decide who's the one? Like my wife's really

1090
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: into the like uh non chemical application of like put

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00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: cinnamon across the window cells because they really don't like cinnamon.

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00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: Some of them like force their way through the cinnamon

1093
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: and get like cough, they cough, they cough, yea ants cough.

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00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: They get covered in this stuff and then you can

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00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: see them kind of immobile. But the others are like, great,

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00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: they've made a path for me. I can move on

1097
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: through these make these decisions. Yeah, it's crazy. I feel

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00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: like we every year there seems like dozens of new

1099
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: ants studies come out. They're always just some really fascinating,

1100
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: really mind blowing bits in there. Like the most recent

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: one that we did a Now video on had to

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00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: do with lazy ants. So these ants that are in

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00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: the colony and they seem to just be standing around

1104
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: doing nothing, and the scientists were trying to figuet why

1105
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: are they doing nothing? Are they Is there something wrong here? Um?

1106
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: Are they reserve troops? That seemed to be a prime theory.

1107
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: So the one theory was that maybe they were laying communications. Yeah,

1108
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: that's what I would think, But they're not. It turns

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00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: out there less in tune with what's going on in

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00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: the colony than anybody else interest in. Huh, Yeah, they

1111
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: just completely tuned out. Okay, so we've covered parasites, we've

1112
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: covered bridge building, we've covered the electricity. Uh, but what

1113
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: was the stinger ant? That was the bullet ant right,

1114
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: like their their their bite is particularly bad. And that's true. Yeah,

1115
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: because we went into that in the Ignoble episode. Oh yeah,

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00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: that's right. I forgot all about that. Joe covered that section.

1117
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: So if you want, if you're saying I want to

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00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: know more about those bulls of ants, go back to

1119
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: our Ignobel Prize episodes from I Believe November and check

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00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: those out. And there's one thing about the ants too

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00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: that I don't have in my notes here, but I

1122
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: read it extensively in almost every article about ant man

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00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: in the Science of ant Man, which is that they

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00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: get the gender of the ants wrong because well or

1125
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,080
Speaker 1: just aunt Man himself isn't giving male names to female

1126
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: ants because he isn't. His His buddy aunt is Anthony,

1127
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 1: and they they're saying like Anthony would actually be a

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00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: female aunt because of its particular kind of anatomy. Yeah,

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00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: and I didn't know. I'll buy into that, because what

1130
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 1: does he know about ants? Yeah, he didn't really seem

1131
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: to have a whole lot of idea about what was

1132
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: going on there. You think he'd do some research, Yeah,

1133
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: like we did that. Yah. Yeah, that's perfect. I'm looking

1134
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: forward to seeing more of him in these like I

1135
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: think he's going to be in that Captain American movie

1136
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 1: next year to that, and Corey Stall was really good

1137
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: as the villain. Yeah, Corey Stall from The Strange. We

1138
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: also did a Science of episode. Course. Style seems to

1139
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: be finding himself cast in a lot of movies where

1140
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: movies or television they're like kind of sci fi. Yeah,

1141
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: he's it's kind of in the mix somehow. He's always

1142
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: like a he was a straight up villain in this,

1143
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: but it's sort of like an anti hero. And in

1144
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: his other protagonist role, Yeah, he's good at playing In

1145
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: House of Cards, he was he played a flawed alcoholic

1146
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: character in that, and then he kind of plays the

1147
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: same thing in the Strain. So he's great at at

1148
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 1: playing these, uh, these characters with they are fairly cardboard

1149
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: but also have a certain amount of nuance to them.

1150
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, he made for a fun villain. And I

1151
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: like this little zapper that he used one particularly menacing. Yeah. Alright,

1152
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: So there you have it. Just to breakdown of some

1153
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: of the science in ant Man, the film, the comic

1154
01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: book series, and also touching on some of these examples

1155
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: of miniaturization science fiction. Obviously, we didn't touch on absolutely everything,

1156
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: uh from ant man or miniaturization side by, So we

1157
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: would love to hear from everybody out there. What's your

1158
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: favorite piece of ministuration media? Uh, what are your thoughts

1159
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 1: on the science of aunt Man? Yeah, and let us

1160
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: know about this stuff on social media. When this episode

1161
01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: comes out, we're going to share it all over the place,

1162
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: but we will also be responding to and listening to

1163
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: your comments there. Uh, you can find us on Facebook, Twitter, Tumbler,

1164
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: all those we are Blow the Mind, and as always

1165
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 1: check out stuff to Blow your Mind dot com. That

1166
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: is where you will find all the podcast episodes, all

1167
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: those blog posts of some videos, and links out to

1168
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: the social media accounts. And finally, if you want to

1169
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: just talk to us directly about aunt Man or whatever

1170
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:43,800
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01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,560
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1173
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1174
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: kind of Monster of the Week type scenario. And as always,

1175
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