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Speaker 1: Hey, wait, how is it I always forget? Oh okay,

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Speaker 1: I got it. Hey, Hey, hey, hey, hey we're back.

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Speaker 1: We're black. We're extra black today, We're brown. Ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited today because we got some extra blackness

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Speaker 1: in the stew. You know, I like to say the

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Speaker 1: stew because it makes me feel young, and so we

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to introduce you to I guess today, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let manager take over first of all, Mandy,

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Speaker 1: how are you girl? Because your girls are popping?

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Speaker 2: Are they?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? You know I how to get it together.

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Speaker 2: I just woke up from my now twenty minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even gonna try to front mister Cherry. I

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Speaker 2: am very pregnant and I take a lot of nabs now,

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Speaker 2: but I'm so so excited to have you with us today.

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Speaker 2: Ba fam. This is an opportunity that we have been

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Speaker 2: waiting for for a while. Not gonna lie. As soon

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Speaker 2: as we started partnering with Dove back in February and

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Speaker 2: I saw that this gentleman was a part of the

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Speaker 2: Dove hair Care Influencer hair Care Partnership group, I was like,

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Speaker 2: who can we get Matthew Cherry on the podcast. I mean, like,

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Speaker 2: what's he up to? What's his contract? Say? Does he

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Speaker 2: need to do? Like some podcast episodes. I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: to have Matthew here. So if y'all are not familiar

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Speaker 2: with Matthew Cherry, let me remind y'all this man used

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Speaker 2: to be an NFL player. Don't ask me what position.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it was very impressive. But for several years

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Speaker 2: you were in the NFL and then pivoted into Hollywood. Right,

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Speaker 2: So a little like Kobe Bryant, Flavor here pivoted into Hollywood,

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Speaker 2: way back. That's basically like being an intern, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you really like paid your dues in the early days.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: And then less than a decade later, was on stage

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Speaker 2: at the Oscars accepting an award for his beautiful, beautiful

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Speaker 2: film called Hair Love, which if you haven't seen it

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Speaker 2: having got the book, don't follow him on insta been

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Speaker 2: living under a hole. You have to have to check

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Speaker 2: it out. It is so sweet. It really pictures a

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Speaker 2: father and his daughter, you know, experiencing what it's like

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Speaker 2: to embrace her hair texture and to make her feel

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Speaker 2: beautiful and it was just lovely. But since then, Matthew

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Speaker 2: has been on a tear. I mean, you've directed so

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Speaker 2: many episodes of my favorite shows on TV. I'm Playing It,

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Speaker 2: Cool Abbot, Elementary, Blackish, The Wonder Years, plus the reboot

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Speaker 2: of bel Air Saved by the Bell and Moore. You

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Speaker 2: have been an Academy Sorry, You've been an executive producer

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Speaker 2: for the film Black Clansman with Spike Lee, and you've

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Speaker 2: also worked as an executive at Jordan Peele's production company,

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Speaker 2: Monkey Pop Productions. So we are so so excited to

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Speaker 2: have you at the on the show. Matthew Cherry, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: No, thanks for having me excited to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, like, everything he's done has

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Speaker 1: been super black, which I love. I'm like, damn, we

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Speaker 2: So go ahead skip the part where he directed Michelle

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Speaker 2: Williams one of her first music videos right when she

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Speaker 5: I did say yes for her being Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you've worked with Jasmine Sullivan, Chloe cally Leyla Hathaway. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so everything not bad, But the career pivot from the

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Speaker 5: And for me, I don't know. I always had other interests,

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Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like there needs to be a documentary

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Speaker 2: on that final season of Girlfriends and everyone behind the scenes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it feels like it's pretty creaty to me. Karen

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Speaker 2: We need to share that link with anyone who's interested.

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Speaker 2: Street Light, you.

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Speaker 5: Said, street lights dot orget.

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Speaker 2: I love that you went through a nonprofit and it

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Speaker 2: wasn't like, yeah, I just meant someone on the bench,

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Speaker 1: So, you know, the question many asked about how was

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Speaker 1: time reconciling that I wasn't broken any or like did

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Speaker 1: you have that like that transition? How did that feel

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Speaker 1: when you actually started to make money? Do you feel

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Speaker 5: You know? You know, for me, really directing television has

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Speaker 1: and I struggled to find books with black babies and

432
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Speaker 1: so so I teach fry that education. But I wrote

433
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Speaker 1: a book called Happy Birthday Molly More, and I was like,

434
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Speaker 1: she's gonna be black, She's going to have like four

435
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Speaker 1: c CCC hair, you know. And I did a gig start.

436
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Speaker 1: I think I wanted to raise thirty five thousand. We

437
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,960
Speaker 1: raised seventy. But I remember being so thank you, so

438
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Speaker 1: inspired by because I remember going to Target and being like,

439
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Speaker 1: there's well, yeah, hair.

440
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Speaker 2: Love, you know.

441
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 1: And now when you go to Target, yes, I'm like,

442
00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 1: do they make books like a whole sexually? I'm like,

443
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,200
Speaker 1: do they big books, not even the whole go hold

444
00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,560
Speaker 1: of target. Everybody is POC. Great, we have all this

445
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Speaker 1: juicy goodness to Matthew, We're going to pause with the

446
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,960
Speaker 1: cause for quick breaks. We could pay these bills. We'll

447
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Speaker 1: be right back and we're back in black and back

448
00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 1: in business. Let's keep chatting. As a director, how do

449
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Speaker 1: you feel black representation has been, like has changed since

450
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Speaker 1: you first came out.

451
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's like been a really big shift

452
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,480
Speaker 5: in a lot of ways. You know, you know, it

453
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 5: isn't it isn't right. It's like in front of the

454
00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 5: camera for show, like you know, I think there's been

455
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,040
Speaker 5: this really big push to you know, make sure you know.

456
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 5: I think back in the day, it was like, all right,

457
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 5: maybe we'll get one character in there, and it's like

458
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,920
Speaker 5: the black friend that like you never see their inner

459
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 5: life and never meet the parents or any of that stuff.

460
00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 5: They just are there to service, like the main character

461
00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 5: who was in the POC. But now you're really seeing

462
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,800
Speaker 5: this push to really just have diverse casts all around,

463
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Speaker 5: you know, like you know, multiple black characters kind of

464
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Speaker 5: in an ensemble cast. You know, you know brown you

465
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 5: know brown representation, you know, agent representation, just you're you're

466
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 5: seeing it really across the board. But with that said,

467
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 5: still behind the camera, you know, people would like to

468
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 5: think that it's really changed a lot, but it really hasn't.

469
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Speaker 5: You know. There are always studies that come out, and

470
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Speaker 5: probably in TV is where it's been the biggest boom

471
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Speaker 5: for diversity, just because literally thousands of TV shows, so

472
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Speaker 5: they kind of have to you know, like you can't.

473
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Speaker 5: Back in the day, they were like, you know, maybe

474
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Speaker 5: a couple of hundred. Now they're thousands, so you kind

475
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 5: of have to reach the net a little wider. But

476
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 5: you know, in film, it's still very much the same

477
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Speaker 5: as it kind of it's always been. You know, it's

478
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Speaker 5: really hard for you know, black and brown directors to

479
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 5: get opportunities. You know, I think I saw a study

480
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Speaker 5: that UCLA did where they were talking about which streaming

481
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Speaker 5: apparently numbers have gotten more diverse because again, thousands of opportunities, right,

482
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 5: But when it comes to theatrical the numbers are still

483
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 5: very much like seventy seven percent white white men that

484
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 5: are directing most of the movies that go to have

485
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 5: theatrical releases. So you know, there's still a lot of

486
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Speaker 5: work to be done, and that was one of the

487
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 5: cool things about being an executive at Monkey Paul, which

488
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 5: is Jordan Pil's company, like being able to be on

489
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 5: the other side of things and you know, trying to

490
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 5: you know, beat the drum for other black creators to

491
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 5: kind of get in there to have their opportunities. But

492
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Speaker 5: you know, we need more of us not only behind

493
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Speaker 5: the camera, but also in the boardrooms also at the

494
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 5: production companies, you know, because this to get a project

495
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Speaker 5: moved forward, it has to go to so many layers.

496
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 5: You know, you have to get it through you know,

497
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 5: some low level executing. You got to take it to

498
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Speaker 5: the higher ups and they got to take it to

499
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Speaker 5: their board and then you know, so to get a

500
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Speaker 5: project through like five different layers of trying to move

501
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 5: it forward, and then you know you have the super

502
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Speaker 5: Black project and now you get to the top and

503
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 5: it's like no black people on this approval board, you know.

504
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 5: And that's why a lot of movies have a hard

505
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 5: time moving forward, just because they can't see If they

506
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 5: can't see themselves as a hero, they don't want to

507
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 5: move help over forward. And the crazy thing is like

508
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 5: we have been conditioned. We we black audiences. We only

509
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 5: we have to see the humanity and other characters because

510
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 5: all our life, you know, it's like, shit, we weren't

511
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 5: a pretty women. We weren't in Princess Bride, you know

512
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 5: what I mean? Like we have to kind of find

513
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Speaker 5: the ways to find empathy in characters. And I think

514
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 5: people are filming some kind of way because now they're

515
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Speaker 5: having to find empathy in our characters and they're not

516
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Speaker 5: used to it.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, you think about movies like to

518
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: see Ryan Koogler. For example, my husband and I just

519
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: saw Creed three, Yeah, director by Michael B. Jordan's starring

520
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Speaker 2: Michael B.

521
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Speaker 4: Jordan.

522
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Speaker 2: I was like, this is with Jonathan Majors. I mean,

523
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Speaker 2: just an incredibly from Newark.

524
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Speaker 1: I'm saying brick City, Okay, yeah, he wants to like

525
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 1: say Benedict's High School. He's I live in New York,

526
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 1: yeah and so and so Yeah, he's born and raised

527
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: in Newark.

528
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Speaker 2: And you sort of and you think about Ryan Kugler

529
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: getting his start, yeah with fruit Vale, but then also

530
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 2: Black Panther. And when Black Panther came out, people were like,

531
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Speaker 2: is this the moment it is if this film did

532
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: phenomenally well. But then you sort of saw this tapering off,

533
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: like there wasn't this huge, you know, renaissance, And I

534
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: feel like even the names you still see doing black film,

535
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: like Spike Lee's been around forever, you know, but like,

536
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 2: are there any other than yourself, new exciting black filmmakers

537
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 2: or projects that you're like, this is you know, this

538
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: person probably wouldn't have made it ten years ago, but

539
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: they're making it now.

540
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean shit, I mean damn near, damn

541
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 5: near everybody you know, damn near, Ryan included. You know,

542
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 5: it's like it's just thankfully because people are taking more risk,

543
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 5: especially in the independent space. You know, Ryan had to

544
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 5: be indie. You know, he did a movie for less

545
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 5: than a million dollars, you know, got it, got it

546
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 5: into Sunday. And so Aby Rockwell, whose movie one thousand

547
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,959
Speaker 5: and one just came out starring Tianna Taylor. You know,

548
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 5: she just did the Sundance move as well. It's coming

549
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 5: out with the It just came out a couple of

550
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 5: weeks ago. Through Focused Features. Yeah, I can list of

551
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 5: you know, a hundred different names of people that you

552
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: know are deserving and thankfully have finally gotten their opportunity.

553
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: But there's also a lot that haven't gotten that opportunity.

554
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 5: You know, back in the day, it really felt like,

555
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 5: at least into twenty tens, when I was transitioning from

556
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 5: being into directing, always kind of felt like there could

557
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 5: only be one black director per year, so you know,

558
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 5: and if you weren't that one, that was kind of

559
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 5: the crown was put upon your head. Like you know,

560
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 5: it's like back to score one. You know, you do

561
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 5: a movie and all right, it didn't hit, So now

562
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 5: what you know, and you got to like try to

563
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 5: find money or think of another idea to try to

564
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 5: get back at it again. So you know, I think

565
00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 5: whenever we get into a place where opportunities are just

566
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 5: like abundant and you know, we don't have these kind

567
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 5: of dips and these highs and these I think that's

568
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 5: really when we're gonna see that true parody that's going

569
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 5: to happen. But you know, I think now we're going

570
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 5: to see a big bubble bursting in the streaming industry

571
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 5: just because like everybody has been this big arms race

572
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 5: of people trying to like put money in and they're

573
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 5: not really getting their money back. So you know, I

574
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 5: think it's going to become even harder for black and

575
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 5: brown creators to get their voices out there, because you know,

576
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 5: the belts are about to get.

577
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Tighter, for sure, and we're probably gonna be the first

578
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: to oh for sure. Always kicked off the schedule, the plan.

579
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: Let's make a let's talk about it, you know, since

580
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: me and these girls are packing and our locks are popping,

581
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,479
Speaker 1: so like we would love to like like once, you're

582
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: because when I went natural, Oh my gosh, I remember

583
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 1: my mother distinctly said both of my parents are Nigerian.

584
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: And the first thing she said to me that think

585
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: was my dad. He said, so you never plan on marriage?

586
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's crazy.

587
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: What does that mean?

588
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: Well, that's because back then, like and it's so crazy

589
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: because they grew up up in a time when I

590
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: remember my mom had an afro win right, you know,

591
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 1: and then it just became like, you know, natural hair

592
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: was very unfashionable and it was very unprofessional, you know,

593
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: and so me going natural was like this political statement.

594
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: It was just because for me, I didn't like the

595
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: way the perm made my scout feel. It wasn't I

596
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to be political. I was just like, why

597
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: can't I wear from? And so so I'm curious about

598
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: like what has your hair journey been like, Like, you know,

599
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: what was your hair like in middle school? How long

600
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: have you had locked and what's your journey been like?

601
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 5: You know, you know, I've always had my hair pretty low,

602
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 5: I guess, like kind of growing up, you know, to

603
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 5: being an athlete and honestly just me and honest not

604
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 5: really knowing a lot about the natural hair movement kind

605
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 5: of growing up. You know, my mom she used to

606
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 5: she worked in a corporate settings, so she would always

607
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 5: had to either straighten her hair, you know, throw a

608
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 5: throw a more quote unquote professional you know, wig on

609
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 5: or something. And so I know it's also a little

610
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 5: different for guys. I feel like, you know, being an athlete,

611
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: like nobody ever really came at me for like my

612
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 5: hair or my hair texture. But you know, my sister,

613
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 5: you know, I always I always know that she felt

614
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 5: like maybe she didn't feel like dogs. I probably gotta

615
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 5: talk to her about this back when she was younger,

616
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 5: but you know, she always used to have to wear

617
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 5: her hair straightened, you know, because that was kind of

618
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 5: what was the norm I guess back then. And I

619
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 5: think and that's also a bit of the reason why

620
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 5: for me, we really wanted to do it animated and

621
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 5: with a young kid as a protagonist, just because I

622
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 5: think a lot of kids natural hair journey starts, not

623
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 5: even natural hair journey, but hair journeys in general start

624
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: when they're children. And so when you grow up and

625
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 5: you watch these cartoons and you know, you watch these

626
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 5: images of kind of who the heroes and these stories

627
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: and what are the things that I want to be,

628
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 5: you know a lot of times that's like that's a

629
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 5: big influence. Like I'll never forget when Frozen came out,

630
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 5: you know, seeing you know, little black girls run around

631
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: with the blonde straight wigs and things trying to like

632
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 5: beat these characters, and it just was like damn, you know,

633
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 5: like I really wish there was characters that looked like them,

634
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 5: that had their type of hair, so they felt like

635
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 5: they could be the hero in their own story and

636
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 5: not feel like they have to kind of conform to

637
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: what other people are trying to say that they need

638
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 5: to look like. And so yeah, for me, like being

639
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 5: an athlete, being an athlete, being in film, I've never

640
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 5: been told like, can't wear your hair like that cares

641
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 5: une professional, you know what I mean. Like both of

642
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 5: those industries are very embracing of Like, you know, if

643
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: I was in any other profession that was more quote

644
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 5: unquote corporate, for sure, probably had to have some hard conversations.

645
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 5: And that's a big reason why too. Like I'm so

646
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 5: happy that the Crown Act has become a lot more popular,

647
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 5: and it's like passing in more states. Still hasn't been

648
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 5: passed on a federal level, but very important. And I

649
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 5: just think, you know, at the end of the day,

650
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 5: you got to just let people be who they want

651
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 5: to be. Like they want to wear their hair straight,

652
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 5: they want to wear it short, they don't want to

653
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 5: have hair at all. Like it's all good and there's

654
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 5: no reason why we need to be policing how people's

655
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 5: hair grows out of their head. It's like it is

656
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 5: none of your business.

657
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: Really, I mean you honestly, like you've become an icon

658
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: for black hair hair equality. I feel like ever since

659
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: doing Hair Love was that was that part of the

660
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: intention behind the film? Were you I know you're a

661
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: dad now, right, were you dad at the time? Did

662
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: you think about your daughter?

663
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 5: No? No, I wasn't.

664
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I wasn't.

665
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 5: But you know, I'm really big on empathy and like

666
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 5: seeing a battle that I knew I was going to

667
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 5: be fighting hopefully in the future, you know what I mean,

668
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 5: Like the idea that I mean, there's always a story,

669
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 5: you know, like kids being kicked out of school because

670
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 5: their hair is a certain way, or being told they

671
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 5: can't work in a certain place because the hair looks

672
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 5: like this. It's just it was the stupidest thing to me.

673
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 5: I think kind of the activism part of it all

674
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 5: definitely was like very organic like that when never was

675
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 5: really the intention going in. I think the activism was

676
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 5: supposed to be more so just like look at this

677
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 5: little girl who loves herself, she loves her hair, she

678
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 5: has four sea hair like. She is a character that

679
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 5: hopefully little girls can and want to be like. But

680
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 5: you know, things kind of took off in a different

681
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 5: way with this, with this project, so you know, it

682
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 5: never has a short film, had a book, want an Oscar,

683
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 5: got a TV show about to come, and a hair

684
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 5: product like it's just been pretty wild.

685
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. I was going to

686
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: ask you about that. So you've been a major part

687
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: of Dove's hair Love collection inspired by your film, which

688
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: is awesome, Like, and so I know that their dad's

689
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: out there? Who are like, because how old is your your.

690
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: She turned six months tomorrow.

691
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: Actually cool, she's a new baby.

692
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you'll be.

693
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: There maybe as a little boy.

694
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: But I was kind of I thought I might have

695
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: heard a little something are you at home right now?

696
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 5: Yeah? She probably cried in the background because.

697
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: My mommy ears are just like somebody get that baby?

698
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: So like what knowing that? What you know now about

699
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: like you know kind of like as you been like

700
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: steeped into like the haircure journey and like you said,

701
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: how different it was for your daughter, for your sister,

702
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: like any like what are you anticipating? Do you have

703
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: any advice for new dads? It's like, how do I

704
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: start to instill man that you're here?

705
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 5: Is beautiful? You know. I think the two things of

706
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 5: advice I would say is listen, you know what I mean, Like,

707
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: you know, a big part of our short was this

708
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 5: idea of like parents taking the time to not get

709
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 5: out of their own head and actually listen to their

710
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 5: kids and what they want. So that's a big one.

711
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 5: And then also, you know, just the information is out there.

712
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 5: You know, if you want to learn how to do hair,

713
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 5: you know, there's all kinds of vlogs on YouTube and

714
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 5: you know, websites and groups and all kinds of things

715
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 5: that you can be a part of to try to

716
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 5: figure it out. You know, I think for me, doing

717
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 5: hair is less about just the act itself. It's more

718
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 5: about just getting that personal time, you know, with your

719
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 5: loved one and kind of showing them how much you care.

720
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 5: And I think that's really also it's also a really

721
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 5: amazing way to buyd I think with your kids. You know,

722
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 5: it's just YouTube in a room and you got this

723
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 5: goal and you're trying to figure it out. You know,

724
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 5: I think it's a real awesome way to kind of

725
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 5: show how much you love a person. And you know,

726
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 5: it's one of the things where you do it and

727
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 5: you know other people were able to kind of see

728
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 5: that love as they walk through that day, you know,

729
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 5: with that hairstyle that you were able to put together.

730
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 5: So you know, definitely, you know, our little one right now,

731
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 5: she's probably gonna be a late bloomer when it comes

732
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: to you know, having a you know, a full head

733
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 5: of hair. That's you know, right right now, it's a

734
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 5: little low, but you know, I'm looking forward to, you know,

735
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: when it starts a sprout, like a like a wead.

736
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: I'm sure it's coming soon.

737
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I feel like kids

738
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: today has such an incredible opportunity because with the Hey,

739
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: with the the hair care line at Target, and all

740
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: these stories that I go to for my son, I'm like,

741
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 2: take a flavor, any flavor. It's so many options. I

742
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: feel like in our childhood, at least for me. We

743
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: talked about this before, but it was not exactly an

744
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 2: experience where I felt my mother's love. It was or like,

745
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: is my mom gonna put me up for adoption? My

746
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: mom's white, like is she going to send me back

747
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: after this? Because she really doesn't seem to like this.

748
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: But no, it's it's incredible. And even just the like

749
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: your acknowledgment, like you're understanding that this will be something

750
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: that I'm going to, you know, intentionally think of in

751
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: a positive way, is already I feel like such a

752
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: great example for dads, you know, or for any any

753
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: man who's caring for a little girl, you know, with

754
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 2: natural hair.

755
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it's like this idea that

756
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 5: I think back in twenty seventeen, twenty twenty, you know,

757
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 5: when when when the project was a little newer, Like,

758
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 5: you know, the idea of a dad doing the daughter's

759
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 5: hair was this kind of new, newer idea and like

760
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 5: obviously people have done it, you know, back in the day,

761
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: but you know, trying to bring it to a bigger

762
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 5: audience of things. You know, dads always get credit and

763
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 5: pass on the back for doing the most basic things,

764
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 5: you know what I think saying that, I mean, you know,

765
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 5: it's like you're be a parent, you know, And I

766
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: think the normalizing of you know, fathers doing this and

767
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 5: then not being some anomaly that you know, we need

768
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 5: to bake this big fuss about. It's like all right,

769
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 5: you know, like my wife's at work early and I'm here,

770
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna do the hair. Like it's not some

771
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 5: big thing that needs to be this big deal or anything.

772
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 5: So I think also just the normalizing of it was

773
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 5: really important too, so that you know, the pats aren't

774
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 5: so big when.

775
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 2: It happens you want to go viral. Matthew just posted

776
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: the video of you brushing daughter's little fear.

777
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 3: Viral.

778
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: You will be you went a war.

779
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: I love I love I love the dads that babysit

780
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: their own baby, you know, like oh do you need

781
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: money for that is?

782
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: How has that transition? Go ahead?

783
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: No, no, go go ahead, go ahead.

784
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you because you are busy doing

785
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: a bunch of different projects. I'm sure. How has that

786
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 2: transition been? Figuring out the schedule with a newborn at home?

787
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's crazy. You know, was tired all the time.

788
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 5: But you know it's great though. It's just it's something

789
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: that you know has to be figured out. You know.

790
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 5: We were lucky enough to be able to get a

791
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 5: little nanny situation, so that kind of helps us because

792
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 5: my wife has to go into work and a lot

793
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 5: of times I have to try to like work either

794
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 5: from home or have to go somewhere on set somewhere

795
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 5: to be working too. So to kind of have somebody

796
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 5: who can be holding it down and kind of like

797
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 5: know what we want them to do has been like

798
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 5: super super important. You know. Have we not been in

799
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 5: this position and living in la where we don't have family,

800
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 5: probably would live back in Chicago or on the East

801
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 5: Coast somewhere, so we would have had family close by

802
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 5: to be able to do a similar thing.

803
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: Just final question for me, like what is your hair

804
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: care routine? You have talks now, Yeah, so what do

805
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: you do to maintain them? Keep them?

806
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 5: Help listen. I don't have much of a routine at all.

807
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: Just you know, I'm in I'm in like filmmaker mode.

808
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 5: So you know, I just wake up. You know, I

809
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 5: got my little lock sock that I put on to

810
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 5: kind of protected at night, or you know, you get

811
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 5: the silk pillow case, and you know, I just I

812
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 5: just go through the day just doing my thing. And

813
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 5: you know, every three or four weeks, I get up

814
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 5: with my hairstylists who retwists me. But yeah, I don't

815
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 5: have like this big routine, you know, especially now that like,

816
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: I don't really have a lot going on. I'm just

817
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 5: at home. So you know, obviously when it was like

818
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 5: you're hitting up war shows and things, You're you're way

819
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 5: on it a lot more. But yeah, I'm always been

820
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 5: pretty low key with things. So yeah, it's not this

821
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 5: big thing.

822
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I love about locks because people always like,

823
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm like, honestly, I don't do anything.

824
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: Like when I had a fro oh yeah, there was

825
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: so much work. I don't know how you do a

826
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: mandy like with your hair for because just the level

827
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: of product. You can't just leave the house when you

828
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: have a frow. The pig pick path to destroy my life. Now,

829
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I literally woke up like this. I

830
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,320
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is my sleep.

831
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 5: It still looks cute.

832
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. We should get paid for our time,

833
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: for the additional hair hairtime. I wanted to know, Matthew,

834
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: what are you working on now? What should people know

835
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 2: about you? What do you have coming up next? Is

836
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: an annoying question.

837
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, not at all. No. We so we

838
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 5: turned a hair Love into a TV series. So we've

839
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 5: been working on it for almost three years now, so

840
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 5: it's going to be coming out this fall on HBO Max.

841
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: The new name of it is young Love, so not

842
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 5: hair Love because we had this really creative way of

843
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: thinking about it. So the dad his name is Stephen Love,

844
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 5: and the mom her name is Angela and Young so

845
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 5: you put it together young Love. So it's really fun

846
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: and it's kind of a show that one thing and

847
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 5: one thing I noticed about animated series were that a

848
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 5: lot of times you never really saw from the millennial perspective.

849
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 5: So like a lot of times the dad's the parents

850
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 5: were already established. They're like in their career, they're making money, Like,

851
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 5: you know, money was never an issue and their dream

852
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 5: was already quote unquote fulfilled. Right for us, we wanted

853
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 5: to do this show where it's kind of like you

854
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: have this young, unmarried couple who as a young child,

855
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 5: but they still love each other. They're figuring things out.

856
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 5: They live with her grandparents. They live with her parents,

857
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: so Zuri's grandparents, and they haven't really achieved their career

858
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 5: dreams or gold yet, so they're still trying to figure

859
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 5: that out. They're still trying to raise his young daughter.

860
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 5: And it's set on the West Side of Chicago, so

861
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 5: it's like, uh, you know, very very black neighborhood and environment,

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Speaker 5: and you know, obviously there are a lot of challenges

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Speaker 5: that have come with it. Angela's a hairstylist, Steven is

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Speaker 5: a producers and Zuri is just her same like confident,

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Speaker 5: energetic self and you know, hilarity ensued. So really excited

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Speaker 5: about it and that'll be coming out this fall. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's kind of the.

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Speaker 2: Big one voice iss Zuri.

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Speaker 5: Man, we haven't announced everybody yet, but if she'sus.

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Speaker 2: You you haven't no, Yeah, what about this yet? I

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Speaker 2: want to know?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we haven't announced hery, we haven't announced our

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Speaker 5: cash yet, but she's this young girl who just kind

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Speaker 5: of represents Zuri in real life too.

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Speaker 2: Will we be hearing any voices who were at that

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Speaker 2: that girlfriend set back in two thousand and seven?

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Speaker 5: Eight?

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Speaker 2: Will there be any familiar voices in the show?

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Speaker 5: You know, a couple, a couple, but yes, I could say.

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Speaker 1: Man's trying to she's trying to.

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Speaker 2: You study radio, I study print, baby.

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Speaker 1: So this is honestly this is an adult show, or

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Speaker 1: this is like.

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Speaker 5: His family, his family, like you know, would say, like,

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Speaker 5: you know, Blackish without the money is like a good cop, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, the proud family lives and inter generational. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: very very situation. Yeah, very intergenerational. And yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: I can't even say their middle class, like they don't

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Speaker 4: have a class. They're trying to figure out their financial

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Speaker 4: situation to even get to a So, yeah, it's gonna

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Speaker 4: be fun.

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Speaker 2: And Chicago will be a character too. You get to

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Speaker 2: see like sometimes you don't get to know where that

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Speaker 2: they just live in, like you know, you don't really

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Speaker 2: get to know that.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, Chicago is very much a character too,

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Speaker 5: and you know kind of like what we wanted to

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Speaker 5: do with, you know, young black representation and animation. Like

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Speaker 5: you know, Chicago gets a horrible rap in mainstream media,

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Speaker 5: and just like one of the Showcase, just like that

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Speaker 5: a Midwestern city where they you kind of able to

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Speaker 5: actually see the people that live there as opposed to

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Speaker 5: like the headlines and the spicy takes that people try

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Speaker 5: to put out there to croud their own agenda.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's gonna be fun and you get to

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Speaker 3: bring it home. Yeah it's your home city. Oh yeah, Chicago,

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, awesome. Well, Matthew Cherry, thank you so so

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Speaker 3: much for sharing a little bit about your story and

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Speaker 3: joining Brown Ambition and just for personifying Brown ambition.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: And where can the people find you if they want

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Speaker 1: to follow you?

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Speaker 5: And just you know, you're just on social you know, Matthew.

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Speaker 5: Matthew A. Cherry is kind of my handle on everything,

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Speaker 5: and yeah I'm around. Just hit me up.

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Speaker 2: And as a big sister to a little brother who

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Speaker 2: is working full time and raising money for films in

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Speaker 2: Atlanta right now, I just want to say he's geeked

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Speaker 2: that I'm going to talk. I will no, but I

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Speaker 2: feel like your your story is so inspirational to anyone

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Speaker 2: who's like, oh maybe I can do this thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like everybody has a story, you know,

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Speaker 5: just got to get it out of you.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: We're happy that you came b a fan. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you follow Matthew A. Cherry on all the socials, and

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Speaker 1: make sure you support young Love because you know, I

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Speaker 1: just I just love having Brown and Vision folks on here.

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Speaker 2: Get your HBO Max logins in shape, find out who

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Speaker 2: you can borrow from.

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Speaker 5: No doubt. Yeah, we will hope to have more information

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Speaker 5: out about Assume, like the release date and trailers and

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Speaker 5: all that.

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Speaker 2: Oh I can't wait to see the trailers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, all right until next week, guys, Thank you

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Speaker 1: Brownovision family.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate Hey, ba.

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Speaker 2: Fam, We could not do this show without your support

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Speaker 2: or the support of our team behind the scenes. The

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Speaker 2: Brown and Vision podcast is produced by Imani Crosby and

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Speaker 2: Dennis Stanplinsky is our in house tech guru. I am

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Speaker 2: your co host Mandy Woodrif Santos, and we will see

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Speaker 2: y'all next week, BA Fam.