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Speaker 1: the top of the hour. So charges apparently appear imminent.

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Speaker 1: We're not sure. Actually, I think why if they ever

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Speaker 1: wanted to know. I flew to the Ecuadorian embassy in

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Speaker 1: Great Britain. I flew there in one day and I

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Speaker 1: flew back the same day, and I interviewed asan Jin

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Speaker 1: January is seventeen. We asked him on radio, We've asked

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Speaker 1: them on TV did he get this from Russia or

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Speaker 1: Russian sources or people connected to Russia as the Multiple

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Speaker 1: times he said, well, we'll play it later, So now

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Speaker 1: he might be out, but he would be And I've

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Speaker 1: known this has been a puzzling question in my mind.

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Speaker 1: If you want to know where did he get the

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Speaker 1: information from? And I know some intel people say absolutely

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Speaker 1: it was Russia, absolutely? Or was it Russia or was

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Speaker 1: it a third party representative or cut out for Russia

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Speaker 1: that maybe he knew or didn't know, was a third

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Speaker 1: party cut out or was it something altogether different? Who knows?

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Speaker 1: But I would assume that there's some type of evidence,

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Speaker 1: considering it had to be electronically transferred uploaded to the

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Speaker 1: wiki League Sosange computer at some point, so we'll see

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Speaker 1: what happens in that particular case. Now we have reports

448
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Speaker 1: that the Russian spy and this this Maria Boutina woman

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Speaker 1: is reportedly in talks for a plea deal. He got

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Speaker 1: a number of Mueller's prosecutors even working on Veterans Day,

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Speaker 1: and that's when Michael Cohen had taken the train to

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Speaker 1: Washington to talk to Mueller's team. ABC reporting that an

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Speaker 1: unusually high number, maybe three dozen sealed indictments have been

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Speaker 1: filed over the course of the last year in DC.

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Speaker 1: Fourteen of those have been added just since August, and

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Speaker 1: that's when Mueller's investigation was publicly quiet. One thing they

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Speaker 1: did do is they didn't get involved in the election.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see. The President did turn in his long

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Speaker 1: awaited written answers to Mueller's investigations, or at least a

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Speaker 1: version of it that's locked in. And Trump, you know

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Speaker 1: what the media will tell you well that he's tacitly

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Speaker 1: acknowledging Mueller's at thirty President said repeatedly he's not going

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Speaker 1: to stop Muller. And my prediction is is that Mueller

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Speaker 1: is going to be exactly the person we thought he was,

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Speaker 1: He's going to go in and try and damage, destroy, delegitimize,

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Speaker 1: hurt Donald Trump as much as he can. So that

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Speaker 1: I've never had any doubt based on the team that

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Speaker 1: he's put together. How do you hire Hillary Clinton's former attorney?

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Speaker 1: How do you never hire a single Republican as part

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Speaker 1: of this group? How do you hire Andrew Weissman who

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Speaker 1: was at Hillary's big victory party and writing what was

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Speaker 1: the woman's name that was fired by the press? Ally Yates,

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Speaker 1: you know, saying great job, great job. The guy with

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Speaker 1: Enron losing tens of thousands of job NINEO in the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court, losing putting innocent people in jail. Merrill executives

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Speaker 1: four years only to be overturned by the Fifth Circuit.

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a year of his life in jail that

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Speaker 1: he can never get back. So as you look at

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Speaker 1: the timeline and the silence, I don't think anybody fully

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Speaker 1: completely knows, but it's obvious that they're asking questions of

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Speaker 1: again about the Trump Tower meeting, and based on the

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Speaker 1: court filing earlier in the week, Muller apparently hopes this

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Speaker 1: you know, issue to issue in a report on mat

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Speaker 1: Affords activities. To the court, so we'll find out what

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Speaker 1: violation he might be involved in. It's just a lawyer

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Speaker 1: for Paul Manafort, you know. Apparently they were had a

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Speaker 1: cooperation agreement with the White Houses lawyers, and so I

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Speaker 1: guess in that particular case, Manafort agreed to cooperate with

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Speaker 1: the special counsel. Rudy Giuliani acknowledging the arrangement yesterday, defending it,

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Speaker 1: saying it gave Trump's legal team insights into what Mueller's

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Speaker 1: investigations about what are they looking for, and two other

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Speaker 1: people familiar with the conversations confirmed the arrangement to The

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Speaker 1: New York Times, it appears course he had the same arrangement,

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Speaker 1: and the Times noted that some legal experts believed that

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Speaker 1: this could have been a bid by Manafort for a pardon.

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Speaker 1: That speculation, and there was one report yesterday that said

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Speaker 1: that that wouldn't even be, you know, completely possible as

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Speaker 1: it relates to state charges where it wouldn't be applicable

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Speaker 1: a pardon. And Manafort's attorney, Kevin Downing, met with Trump's

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Speaker 1: legal team. But you don't break any laws if you

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Speaker 1: have a joint defense agreement. That's allowed anyway, So you know,

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Speaker 1: julianni has said Mueller's zealed to get Trump is prompting

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Speaker 1: him to push witnesses to lie. That's what's happening here. Now,

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Speaker 1: you think about it. If you're facing you're seventy years old,

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Speaker 1: you're facing, however, many years in prison. How appealing it

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Speaker 1: must be. Is you sit at a table and they say,

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Speaker 1: come on, you know, you know what we want you

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Speaker 1: to say. If you say it, we're gonna go real easy.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna your life's gonna be golden. You'll be maybe

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Speaker 1: a year max, maybe six months max. Yeah, we'll even

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Speaker 1: fight for probation for you, or you might die in prison.

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Speaker 1: The fact that neither one of these guys was willing

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Speaker 1: to take that, that is amazing to me. And you know,

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Speaker 1: as you have Stone campaign advisor Roger Stone releasing documents

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Speaker 1: showing that as the presidential campaign heated up in twenty

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Speaker 1: sixteen in the summer, this is after the DNC convention,

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Speaker 1: when I guess the first batch of wiki leaks information

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Speaker 1: came out. Stone tried to dispatch, in this particular case,

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Speaker 1: his friend Jerome Corsi into finding what does wiki leaks

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Speaker 1: even know? Because that might be damaging that Hillary. I

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Speaker 1: was talking to Andy McCarthy today, said, well, guess one thing,

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Speaker 1: it's not It's not a crime. So that's why, Well,

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Speaker 1: now we got to go after a perjury charge because

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Speaker 1: Corsi said in an interview that he might be indicted

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Speaker 1: on the charge of ligne to federal investigators because he

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Speaker 1: told them he refused Stone's request, when in fact he

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Speaker 1: passed it on to an intermediary. This is going back

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Speaker 1: to twenty sixteen. Does anybody know what you did in

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. I can't even tell you what I did

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Speaker 1: last week or what I even talked about yesterday on

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Speaker 1: this program. I'm just going at the speed of light

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Speaker 1: every day. And it's how do you remember what you

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Speaker 1: did or set in twenty sea You forget something that's perjury? No,

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Speaker 1: it's not. It's called having a normal memory. Anyway. So

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Speaker 1: the draft statement against Corsi, which apparently they were informed

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Speaker 1: about and people familiar with it or reporting about it.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times had it, The Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: had it, in other places have it. Spectator had a

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Speaker 1: good article today and they're saying that in it, prosecutors

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Speaker 1: are claiming that Corsi understood that Stone was in regular

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Speaker 1: contact with senior members of the Trump campaign, including with

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Speaker 1: then Donald candidate Donald Trump. Now I think he got

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Speaker 1: off the campaign or advisement in twenty fifteen. Whether or

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Speaker 1: not he talked to Trump, I have no idea, but

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Speaker 1: we'll ask him because one of the questions leaked is that, well,

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Speaker 1: did you have any contact with Roger Stone about Julian

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Speaker 1: Assange and to get that information. I don't even think

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Speaker 1: Trump knew about Julian Osange and the information or had

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Speaker 1: any understanding of what it was. To be honest, he

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Speaker 1: wasn't in this political world, deep weed world we live

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Speaker 1: in sometimes and that there might be events that, you know,

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Speaker 1: at the end of this then we're finding out all

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Speaker 1: these you know, secret criminal complaints are out there and

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Speaker 1: indictments are out there. Who knows. I've never trusted this honor.

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Speaker 1: About July twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, person one send an

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Speaker 1: email to Corsi. That would be Roger Stone, who's going

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Speaker 1: to join us? Get the founder of organization one. Get

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Speaker 1: to the founder of the organization one at the Ecuadorian

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Speaker 1: Embassy in London. Gee, I wonder who that is? And

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Speaker 1: get pending organization one emails. They deal with the foundation

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Speaker 1: allegedly Okay, how's that different from the Pentagon papers published

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Speaker 1: by both the New York Times and the Washington Post

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Speaker 1: that were illegally obtained. They did it, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: most of these newspapers published the same thing. Wiki Leaks published,

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Speaker 1: Where's the crime? Where's the collusion? Unbelievable? Right, gladuate us

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Speaker 1: our two Sean Hannity Show eight hundred nine for one Sean.

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Speaker 1: You want to be a part of the program. So

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Speaker 1: as now we know that the president has submitted written

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Speaker 1: answers what nearly six hundred days into this Mueller witch hunt,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that, of course they're not really looking

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Speaker 1: for collusion, they're just looking for Trump Russia collusion. So

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Speaker 1: far no evidence, but in the final waning hours, days, months,

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Speaker 1: clearly some form of desperation has set in. What's been

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Speaker 1: most fascinating is that Jerome Corsi has himself said that

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Speaker 1: he was offered a plea deal that even could result

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Speaker 1: in probation no time in jail, and he has rejected it. Similarly,

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Speaker 1: we now heard from Robert Muller that the plea deal

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Speaker 1: that they had, the arrangement that they had with Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort all the same thing. There he has well, and

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Speaker 1: in both cases, by the way, they have joint defense

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Speaker 1: agreements with the counsel of the White House, which has

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Speaker 1: a pretty fascinating development and makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 1: if you're looking at it from the presid in point

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Speaker 1: of view, the White House's point of view. But now

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Speaker 1: it seems to be coming down to two people, and

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Speaker 1: that would be Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi. And you know, supposedly,

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Speaker 1: if you believe NBC News, Muller says he has emails

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Speaker 1: from Corsi about the Wiki leaks, Democratic email dump. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't know many other people in the media besides

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Speaker 1: myself who's actually taken the time to get in an airplane,

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Speaker 1: fly across the pond and sit down and talk to

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Speaker 1: Julian Assange himself. I was very specific. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: know where this information came from. Did it come from Russia? Now,

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Speaker 1: to be fair, I've had people in the intel community

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Speaker 1: say that they're convinced, they know it's a certainty you

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Speaker 1: that at least was Russia or Russian cutout. But that's

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Speaker 1: not what Asan said, And let's listen to part of

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Speaker 1: that interview. Russia give you this information or anybody associated

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Speaker 1: with Russia. Our source is not a state party. So

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Speaker 1: the answer for our interactions is no, you did not

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Speaker 1: get this information about the DNC John Podesta's emails. Can

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Speaker 1: you tell the American people a thousand percent you did

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Speaker 1: not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia.

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Speaker 1: We can say, we have said repeatedly over the last

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Speaker 1: two months that our source is not the Russian government

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Speaker 1: and it is not the state party. Our source is

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Speaker 1: not the Russian government. So in other words, let me

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Speaker 1: be clear, Russia did not give you the Podesta documents

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Speaker 1: or anything from the DNC. Correct. All right? Joining us

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Speaker 1: now is Rogers Stone. By the way, Stone's Rules a

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Speaker 1: best seller, and Roger also quoted as saying in the

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Speaker 1: American Spectator today, I'm innocent. I wouldn't take a deal

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Speaker 1: of Muller offered me one. Roger, welcome back to the program.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us, Thanks Sean for having me.

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Speaker 1: I've got to imagine that there's a lot of pressure

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Speaker 1: in your life right now. We keep hearing that obviously

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Speaker 1: Robert Muller is after you and after Jerome Corsi. Why

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Speaker 1: don't I just generally give it to you and tell

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Speaker 1: our audience what you think is actually going on here. Well, soan,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I think I've been targeted because I

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Speaker 1: supported Donald Trump for president. I helped defeat Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: But I violated no law regarding the twenty sixteen election

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Speaker 1: or anything else. And the idea that I knew about

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Speaker 1: the source or the content of the wiki least disclosures,

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Speaker 1: whether they were allegedly hacked emails or allegedly stolen emails

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Speaker 1: of John Podesta, is simply false. I had a tipster

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Speaker 1: who told me that after Assange went on CNN in

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Speaker 1: June and Fox in August and said that he had

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Speaker 1: a trove of documents on Hillary Clinton, I had a

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Speaker 1: tipster to tell me that they were devastating, a bombshell

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Speaker 1: incredible would end Hillary's campaign, and that they would be

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Speaker 1: published in October. And I provided text messages only last

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Speaker 1: week that proved that that source was Randy Kretico, a

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Speaker 1: New York based progressive radio talk show host, and that

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Speaker 1: his source was not Julie Assange, but a woman attorney

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Speaker 1: who works for Wiki Lakes. So now suddenly the media

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to talk about Randy Cretico anymore. Now suddenly

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Speaker 1: they have a new narrative, which is the idea that

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Speaker 1: I must have received these documents, either Podesta's emails or

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Speaker 1: the DNC emails from Jerry Corsi. That is also false.

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Speaker 1: The emails that the Wall Street Journal and others refer

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Speaker 1: to are not a smoking gun. There's no smoking gun

643
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: there at all, unless political gossip has now been criminalized.

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00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: Corsi predict that there are disclosures coming from WikiLeaks, and

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Speaker 1: he makes an oblique reference to the American people learning

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Speaker 1: more about the podestas. No where does it refer to

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Speaker 1: Podesta's emails being stolen. So I thought this was about

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Speaker 1: rushing collusion. I thought it was about WikiLeaks collaboration. I

649
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: think we learned a long time ago. I think to

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Speaker 1: be about a country trap for a seventy two year

651
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Speaker 1: old man. You know. Let me refer to the Wall

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Speaker 1: Street Journal. They talk about your tweet on August the

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Speaker 1: twenty first, that said, trust me, it will soon the

654
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Speaker 1: Podesta's time in the barrel. That's how I read it.

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Speaker 1: Verbade him from their piece, not my words. And then

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Speaker 1: weeks later, emails from Clinton's campaign chairman John Podesta were

657
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Speaker 1: dumped online by wiki leaks, And I think we got

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Speaker 1: to also put in a context a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the timeline, because it was on the eve of the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Convention when we got the DNC emails, correct the

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Speaker 1: first ones. I think that's correct. But the significance here

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Speaker 1: is that doctor Corsi appears to have been pressured to

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Speaker 1: say that my claim that that tweet was based on

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Speaker 1: his briefing of me about the Podesta brothers lucrative Russian

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Speaker 1: business dealings in gas, in aluminum and uranium and banking

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Speaker 1: that I asked him to write a memo about so

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Speaker 1: that I could retail it two reporters, was somehow a

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Speaker 1: cover story. Well, let's let's examine that my tweet was

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Speaker 1: not controversial for six weeks later, when the Podesta emails

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Speaker 1: were finally published. There was no congressional investigation, There was

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Speaker 1: no Muther investigation, there was no subpoenas, there was no

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Speaker 1: media attention, there was no media controversy. So cover up

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Speaker 1: for what? Why did they quote Corsi here? Jerome Corsi

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Speaker 1: is saying that, as a long time acquaintance of yours,

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Speaker 1: that he's contradicting your version of events, saying in an

676
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Speaker 1: interview Tuesday that you called him on August thirty a,

677
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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, nine days after the tweet and asked Corsi

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Speaker 1: for help in creating an alternative explanation for it. What

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Speaker 1: does that mean? That means that you had a seventy

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Speaker 1: two year old man who was hot boxed by mother's

681
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Speaker 1: investigators for forty hours? Is what had that happened by

682
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: that time? By the time, he only said that recently

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Speaker 1: at that time. First of all, he told me about

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Speaker 1: the Podestas and their extensive Russian disiness dealings prior to

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Speaker 1: the twenty first. It took him until the thirty first

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Speaker 1: to get me the memo. Then he subsequently asked me

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Speaker 1: several times in text messages and emails whether I had

688
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Speaker 1: been successful in selling it to any reporters, which was

689
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Speaker 1: the purpose of it. So there is no need for

690
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Speaker 1: a cover up story. Nothing we've done is illegal number one.

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Speaker 1: And he says that he told me that he had

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Speaker 1: deduced that John Podesta's emails had been stolen, but he

693
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Speaker 1: does not do so in email or text message. He

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Speaker 1: says it was a phone call which he now remembers,

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Speaker 1: which I don't remember because frankly I never knew that

696
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: until it was published. Well, it's what's weird about that article, though,

697
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: is when he says what I construct, what I testified

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Speaker 1: too before the grand jury, was that I believed I

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Speaker 1: was creating a cover story for Roger because Roger wanted

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Speaker 1: to explain this tweet. And then he went on to

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Speaker 1: say something quite chilling to me and anybody that believes

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Speaker 1: in the constitution and civil liberties, that he believed that

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Speaker 1: the Special counsel knew this because they could virtually tell

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Speaker 1: my keystrokes on the computer. That's a little that's a

705
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: little scary, big brother scenario to me. Well, look, five

706
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Speaker 1: days before the famous Podesta tweet, and which, by the way,

707
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Speaker 1: the mainstream media always drops the word v V. Podesta's

708
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 1: shown refers to two people, John and Tony, but by

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00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: dropping the word Z you can imply that it's a

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Speaker 1: reference to John Podesta's emails being published. Shows you the

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00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: dishonesty of the Wall Street Journal, for example. You know

712
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Speaker 1: what's amazing knowing this and on this as well. But

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Speaker 1: five days prior, I put out a tweet that says,

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Speaker 1: Paul Manafort makes John Podesta no part of me. John

715
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: Podesta makes Paul Manafort look like Saint Thomas Aquinas. Why

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Speaker 1: hasn't he been investigated Because apparently the same type of

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Speaker 1: business and business dealings and lack of I guess the

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Speaker 1: requirement as it relates to, you know, foreign if you're

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Speaker 1: doing any work politically for foreign countries. Did he did

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Speaker 1: he register as such an agent with the federal government.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand your question. In other words,

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Speaker 1: we have the far laws which they were making a

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Speaker 1: big deal with Manafort. Is Tony Podesta up to speed

724
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Speaker 1: on that? Did he do it all those years? Is

725
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Speaker 1: violated the same law that Manafort has been convicted of violating.

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Speaker 1: He didn't file under a FIRO registration either, but he

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Speaker 1: hasn't been prosecuted. Isn't that strange? Yeah, you know, I

728
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Speaker 1: find it interesting that Jerome Corsi and I really got

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Speaker 1: to know him when he did he was part of

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Speaker 1: the I think it was James O'Neill, and they did

731
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Speaker 1: Unfit for Command, a book about John Kerry and all

732
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Speaker 1: the things that Kerry had said about as fellow Vietnam vets.

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Speaker 1: I know he takes some kind of bizarre positions on

734
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Speaker 1: the moon landing and so on and so forth. Putting

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Speaker 1: that aside for a minute, but when you have two

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Speaker 1: people that know as and they're both older people, Paul

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Speaker 1: Manafort who I got to know during the campaign, and

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Speaker 1: Jerome Corsi that they're both offered. In the case of

739
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Speaker 1: Corsi and reports, maybe he just gets probation if he

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Speaker 1: says what Weissman and Mueller's team want him to say,

741
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Speaker 1: and he said, no deal, I'm not gonna lie, and

742
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: then Manafort seemingly did the same thing. That means that

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Speaker 1: they both might face the rest of their lives in jail.

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Speaker 1: And they could have easily, you know, extricated themselves from

745
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: that and given them what they wanted, and they would

746
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: have benefited a lot personally by doing so. Absolutely accurate. Look,

747
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 1: I feel badly for doctor Corcy, who I liked very much,

748
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: but I think he has been squeezed into giving them something.

749
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: And the two things he has said about me are incorrect,

750
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: the other ones even more incredible. He claims that I

751
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: had advanced notice of the so called Billie Bush NBC

752
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: grabbed them by the you Know What tape, and that

753
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Speaker 1: I asked him, for whatever reason, to contact Julian Assange

754
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Speaker 1: to tell Wiki Leaks to speed up the release of

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00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: their documents to distract from that story. Sean, that is

756
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Speaker 1: whole cloth. I knew nothing about this at advance. I

757
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: was stunned when I heard about it. I was on

758
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Speaker 1: the street in Manhattan. I heard about it around four

759
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon. I rushed to a computer to

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Speaker 1: read the Washington Post story on it because I heard

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00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: they had broken the story. So again, he has no

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00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: evidence of this other than the fact that we evidently

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00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: spoke on the phone that day. But that proves nothing.

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Speaker 1: How do we reconcile though, how do we reconcile the

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Speaker 1: julian Is Sans who published these things? Weren't they also

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Speaker 1: published in the New York Times exactly? In fact, as

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00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: Sane was asked about Roger Stone, he said, while he

768
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: is a cunning spinmaster, we've had no communication with him whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: So I think mister Muller in trying to find somebody

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Speaker 1: in the Trump orbit who received emails either stolen or

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Speaker 1: hacked and passed them on to the candidate, and that

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Speaker 1: just never happened. Here's what I never understood in all

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Speaker 1: of this Wikileakssans, Corsi, Goosfer, you name it. It just

774
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Speaker 1: never happened. Here's something that I have been very puzzled.

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Speaker 1: If they really wanted to get to the bottom of

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Speaker 1: was there any connection to Wiki leaks and the releases

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Speaker 1: that they've had in the lead up to the twenty

778
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Speaker 1: sixteen election. I've got to imagine, and I've always felt

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Speaker 1: that the person that could give them the most honest answer,

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Speaker 1: probably with some real hardcore evidence, would be Julian Asange. Now,

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00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: to the best of my knowledge, I don't know, but

782
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: all they're interested in doing with him is extraditing him

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00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: and convicting him for doing exactly what the New York

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00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: Times and the Washington Post in the Wall Street Journal do,

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Speaker 1: which is getting information from whistleblowers and publishing it. That's

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Speaker 1: what journalists do. Not long ago, we were all celebrating

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00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: the Washington Post in this movie, the Post celebrating their

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Speaker 1: publication of the classified documents, the Pentagon Papers, about the

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00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: origins of the Vietnam War. So the left holds that

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00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 1: out as a heroic act. But they would now want

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00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: to send a Signe to prison for doing the exact

792
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: same thing. Seems to me to be a great deal

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Speaker 1: of hypocrisy there. I guess the question is what would

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Speaker 1: the crime be if you did know that something was

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Speaker 1: going to be published. We do have a case called

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Speaker 1: the Pentagon Papers. If you recall, well, I'd have to

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00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,439
Speaker 1: be in the receipt of stolen material to have any

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00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 1: kind of case made against me, and of course I wasn't.

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00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: I was trafficking in political information. And yeah, there's no question, Sean.

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Speaker 1: I took a tip from Randy Kretico that the Asge

801
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: held material was significant, and I hyped it relentlessly on tweet,

802
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: not to aggrandize myself, not to suck up to the

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00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: Trump campaign, but to try to drive voter and media

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00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: attention to the disclosures when they came, because I was

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00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: assured by somebody I thought nobody was talking about that

806
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: they would be devastating. You have you ever done this

807
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: and been wrong? No? No, But I'll tell you what

808
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: it is more amazing to me. Hold that thought, because

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00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: I'll pick it up there. And we got a longer

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Speaker 1: segment on the other side, Roger Stone, his Bookston's Rules,

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Speaker 1: will get to that his relationship of the President much more.

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Speaker 1: On the other side eight hundred nine four one, Sean

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Speaker 1: told free telephone number, quick break right back, We'll continue

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Speaker 1: straight ahead, and they wanted I had nothing to hide.

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Speaker 1: I gave them to him immediately, and for having forgotten

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Speaker 1: on day one, because I hadn't reviewed the emails, this

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00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: particular email about Ted Malick. I'm now being charged with

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00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: willfully and knowingly giving false information, which is nonsense. Do

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Speaker 1: you think that your political views are playing a role

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Speaker 1: in the decision of the Special Council to charge you

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Speaker 1: with a felony? Yes? I think. And also, by the way,

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Speaker 1: they accused me of deleting emails and I told them

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Speaker 1: to restore. They restored the emails I supposedly deleted through

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Speaker 1: the time machine. This is a political winch hunt, all right.

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Speaker 1: That was Jerome Corsi on Tucker Carlson Show the other night.

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Speaker 1: Eight hundred nine for one, Shawn is our number. You

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Speaker 1: want to be a part of the program. And we

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Speaker 1: now see that Jerome Corsi is rejected, according to his

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Speaker 1: home words, a plead deal with Robert Muller, saying that

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Speaker 1: he will not testify or admit to something he didn't

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Speaker 1: do and lie, even though the prosecution apparently in their

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Speaker 1: offers said they wouldn't oppose just a probation type of

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Speaker 1: punishment in that deal, which means that if Muller really

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Speaker 1: goes forward indicts Jerome Corsi, that he could face potentially

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Speaker 1: the rest of his life in jail clearly a of

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Speaker 1: the centers around Roger Stone, who's on our Newsmaker line,

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Speaker 1: author of Stone's Rules. What do you make What did

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Speaker 1: you think of what he said there that the chargers

839
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: a nonsense? And do you think both Paul Manaford and

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Speaker 1: Jerome Corsi are both pretty much doing the same thing?

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Speaker 1: And that is refusing And I think I don't think

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Speaker 1: Michael Flynn the FBI didn't even think he lied Roger

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Speaker 1: They they thought he was telling the truth. But he

844
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Speaker 1: had no money, he had to sell his house, and

845
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Speaker 1: at that point they were probably squeezing his own family

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Speaker 1: and threatening his own son who worked with him. So

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Speaker 1: I imagine he finally, just like every father, said I'll

848
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Speaker 1: fall on the sword instead and signed onto something that

849
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Speaker 1: the FBI didn't even believe he had done. That's lied

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Speaker 1: to the FBI. Well, only ten days ago, Vanity Fair

851
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Speaker 1: had a headline that says Paul Manafort is dishing on

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Speaker 1: Roger Stone. Well, obviously that's not true because and I

853
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Speaker 1: have to assume that they probably did question him vigorously,

854
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: but there's nothing to dish. I never got anything from

855
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: Wiki leaks. I don't think Manaphort and I ever discussed.

856
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: Wiki leaks is what's amazing Sean. At the same time,

857
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: Democrats are demanding that Acting Attorney General Matthew Whittaker stepped

858
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Speaker 1: down because of his previous political activities. The prosecutor leading

859
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: the inquisition into Roger Stone is Jeanie Ree, formerly the

860
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: lawyer for the Clinton Foundation, specifically in the matter of

861
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Speaker 1: the Clinton emails, one of the matters in which I

862
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: am being falsely investigated. I know nothing about Hillary Clinton's

863
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: missing emails. Miss Rie is also a fifty four hundred

864
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Speaker 1: dollar donor to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. Now, I wrote

865
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: the book The Clinton's War on Women, using a lot

866
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: of the seminal research you did about the victims of

867
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton who were intimidated by Hillary. The point is

868
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: my position on the Clintons is well known. Having someone

869
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: who worked for the Clintons as a legal attack dog

870
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: heading the potential prosecution of Roger Stone is a far

871
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: more egregious conflict than anything Matthew Whittaker has. Let me

872
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: go back to what's happening with Jerome Corsi because it

873
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: does impact you and where where I think they're headed.

874
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 1: In this and the draft court documents shared by Jerome Corsi,

875
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Speaker 1: written by Mueller's office to be filed in case of

876
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: a plea. They quote emails from twenty sixteen. The Corsi

877
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: says that he exchanged with you and that is identified

878
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: in the documents person one and in emails the two

879
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: men discussed Wiki leaks and Julian Osange and their plans

880
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: to release emails damaging and Missus Clinton. The quote is

881
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: word is friend in embassy plans. Two more dumps Corsi

882
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: writing August second, referring to Julian Assange living in the

883
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,879
Speaker 1: Ecuadorian embassy in London. What now for almost seven years?

884
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: One shortly after I back the second in October impact

885
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: plan to be very damaging, and the documents and the

886
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: Special Council's office alleging Corsi knowingly and intentionally made materially

887
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: all statements related to the emails. You know, it reminds

888
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: me so many of so much of what has happened here.

889
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: Go back to Martha Stewart and many other people. It's

890
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: they never get you for the underlying crime. And as

891
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: horrible as the charges were against Denny Haster, he didn't

892
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: get that. He never got charged with the underlying crime.

893
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: It's you get charged with lying, and I don't know

894
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: the impact. What is your reaction to those emails that

895
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: they say they have and that refer to you. Well,

896
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 1: my lawyers, of course have reviewed the emails and their

897
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: characterization of them. I'd say they're miss characterized. I'd also

898
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: point out that Jerry Corsey then subsequently on October third,

899
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: both in the text message to me and in a tweet,

900
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: says Osange has nothing. He was bluffing, he was full

901
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: of bs. So if he knew this was coming, why

902
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: then when Osange had his public event on October two,

903
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: it would be October third US time did he say

904
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Speaker 1: that Ossange had nothing. I also have text messages from

905
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Jerry when the actual Wiki leagues data dumps are done

906
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: in October, in which he's clearly reading the material for

907
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: the first time. So those emails don't prove anything. They

908
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 1: certainly don't prove criminality on But I remember at the

909
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 1: time after the pre DNC emails released that there was

910
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: all sorts of speculation all over the place that oh,

911
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: there might be more, there might be more, what's gonna

912
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: come here, what's gonna come there? Remember, absolutely every politico

913
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: and every political reporter in the country was following this

914
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: story and wanted to know unless legitimate political inquiry has

915
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: been criminalized. There's nothing in the emails between Jerry Corsi

916
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: and I that is improper. The only thing that appears

917
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: to be improper here is that they accused Jerry of

918
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: erasing them, and then they accused him of lying them.

919
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: But nor does it say John Podesta's emails have been

920
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 1: stolen and would be published. It doesn't say that. It

921
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: says the American people will soon learn more about Podesta.

922
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: That's not the same thing. That's an inference, and that's

923
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: quite a leap by the government. Now, how often I

924
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: know you've known Donald Trump for forty years, you're also

925
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: viewed and I think you know this is a very

926
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: controversial figure you have your whole career. I'd know that

927
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Speaker 1: you weren't a part of the campaign, at least that

928
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 1: I knew of at any point were you? Did you

929
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: talk to the then candidate at the time. I worked

930
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: for the campaign until August of twenty fifteen. I left

931
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: the campaign to publish the Clinton's War on Women right,

932
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: And I think after that I worked as hard as

933
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Speaker 1: humanly possible to elect Donald Trump president. Not only did

934
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Speaker 1: I produce the documentary we talked about produced, the Clinton's

935
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: War on Women book. I did an enormous amount of

936
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Speaker 1: surget speaking on behalf of the president. He was someone

937
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,720
Speaker 1: I've known intimately for forty years. He was at my wedding.

938
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Speaker 1: I went to his parents wake and their funerals. I

939
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: knew them both. They were wonderful people. I have a

940
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: real affection for Donald Trump and his family. So while

941
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: I had no official role, I really do think I've

942
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: been targeted because of my loyalty to the president and

943
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: because of my role in helping defeat Hillary Clinton. Now,

944
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: in the course of when you left the campaign, you

945
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: sound like you were very busy. Did you stay in

946
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: touch with then candidate Trump. I spoke to him more

947
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Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen and in the early part of twenty

948
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Speaker 1: sixteen than I did at the end of the campaign, because, frankly,

949
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Speaker 1: once his platform was determined, and by the way, determined

950
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: by Donald Trump himself, not by Roger Stone, not by

951
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: Steve Bannon, not by some polster. Donald Trump decides what

952
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: he's going to say, by the way, I can confirm

953
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: all of that is true. True, He listens, but then

954
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: he makes up his own mind. Yeah, he'll listen to

955
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: good advice. He'll ask tough questions. But nobody puts words

956
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: in this guy's mouth, nobody puts ideas in his head.

957
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: He Donald Trump is responsible for Donald Trump's election more

958
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 1: so than any other individual on the face of the earth.

959
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: He's not. There is no Carl Rove in Trump Land.

960
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: It just doesn't exist. So we kept in touch. We

961
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,879
Speaker 1: would talk sporadically. When the President calls you, he does

962
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: most of the talking. You do most of the listening.

963
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: But we never spoke about wiki leagues, not once, which

964
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: I said on Meet the Press. They asked me three times,

965
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: Chuck Todd asked me. The answer was the same three times.

966
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: CNN has just reported that in the written questions from

967
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: mister Muller to the President, he was asked specifically, did

968
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: you discuss wiki leagues with Rogerstone? And the President correctly

969
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: said no. And by the way, the President doesn't text,

970
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: and the president does an email that I know of,

971
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 1: and I don't think he ever has. That's my take

972
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: on it. Where do you think this is gonna end?

973
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: Do you believe, like Paul Manafort, one morning there's gonna

974
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: be a knock on your door and then they come

975
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: I haven't committed any crime. I mean, even the emails

976
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: that they cite in the QUERSI matter are not evidence

977
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: of any crime on my part. So no, I really

978
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 1: don't think so. If the decision is made on the

979
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: basis of facts and evidence and the law, then no

980
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: charges will be brought against you. But look at the

981
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: team that Mueller's put together. Look at Andrew Weissman's track record.

982
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: You mentioned Jeannie Ray earlier, who worked as the lawyer

983
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: for the Clinton Foundation. Andrew Weissman. The New York Times

984
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: dubbed him Mueller's pit bull. Let's see, he costs tens

985
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: of thousands of Americans their jobs at Enron Accounting back

986
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: in the day. He was overturned by the Supreme Court

987
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: nine zero. He put four Merrill executives in jail for

988
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: a year that was overturned by the Fifth Circuit. And

989
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: his tactics are you know, if you look at license

990
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,439
Speaker 1: to Lie Sidney Powell, you realize you've got somebody who's

991
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: been pretty rogue their entire lives, and that these tactics

992
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: are are pretty common. And you can indict a ham sandwich.

993
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: You know it, and I know it well. They can

994
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 1: certainly get an indictment. I think there's more public focus

995
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: on their activities in their partisanship now than there was

996
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: even at the time that Paul Manifort went to trial. Sean, look,

997
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: I have no choice but to fight. I set up

998
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: a legal defense fund at Stone Defense Fund dot com

999
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: because this is this ravens to destroy me financially. I mean,

1000
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: it literally can bankrupt my family. I don't know how

1001
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pay for Christmas because every dollar I have

1002
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: is going to the lawyers. But I've defeated a defamation lawsuit.

1003
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: I had a lawsuit by an Obama backed group that

1004
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: accused me of Russian collusion dismissed. I'm being sued along

1005
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: with Jerry Kushner and Donald Trump Junior and the Trump

1006
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: campaign and the Republican National Committee by that DNC. I've

1007
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: asked to see their servers in discovery, and I'm very

1008
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: happy about that. I still have they How did the

1009
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: FBI and not take those servers? How did they get

1010
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: to bring in their own company? So I have the

1011
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: US Senate Judiciary and Intelligence committees inquiries to deal with.

1012
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: I have a newly energized Adam Schiff at the House

1013
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: Intelligence Committee, who says he's reopening the investigation, and I

1014
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: have the on rushing troops of Robert Muller. This threatens

1015
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: to bankrupt me, so I had to set up Stone

1016
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: Defense fund dot Com to fight for my life. Let

1017
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 1: me ask you in light of what we have been

1018
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 1: able to uncover, and I'm pretty sure you're as aware

1019
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: as I am about all of these issues. You know,

1020
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 1: It's like, if it's if it's Kavanaugh, Bret Democrats, Liberals,

1021
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: they are dead set again. They're all for we believe

1022
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: without any due process, any presumption of innocence, and that's why.

1023
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: But yet if it's a Democrat Keith Ellison, Bill Clinton

1024
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: more recently charges against Michael Abanati, they have no interest

1025
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: in ever talking about it, which tells me their interest

1026
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: was only political against Kavanaugh. And similarly, if they really

1027
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: cared about collusion with Russia, how do you ignore the

1028
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: Clinton bought and paid for dossier that with funneled money

1029
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: through a law firm, to an op research group, to

1030
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: a foreign national Russian lies that he wouldn't even the author,

1031
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: Christopher Steele, wouldn't even acknowledge to be true in an

1032
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: inner sugatory in Great Britain under oath and threat of perjury.

1033
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 1: How do you not get into those Russian lines disseminated

1034
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: to the American people in the lead up to the

1035
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election. I think you and I both understand

1036
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: the entire Russian collusion delusion is meant as a distraction

1037
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 1: from the largest political scandal in our country's history. And

1038
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 1: that's an abuse of a power in which the surveillance

1039
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: capability and authority of the state was used to spy

1040
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: on Donald Trump's campaign. And there are more than one

1041
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 1: fis A warrant. It's not just Carter Page. The New

1042
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: York Times reported on January twenties, twenty seventeen, that Paul

1043
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 1: Manifort and Roger Stone were also subjected to fis A warrants.

1044
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: And when I file a Foyer request of thirty different

1045
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: agencies of government, I get back nothing. Yeah, you'll get

1046
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: that thirty years from now, when we're both get it. Never. Yeah.

1047
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: You mentioned the FBI efforts to infiltrate Donald Trump's campaign.

1048
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: Well that's all true too. And look at what we've

1049
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: got here, no evidence of collusion, but we do have

1050
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: a bought and paid for phony dossier that was used

1051
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: to propagandize in line of the American people. We have that,

1052
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: we do have Faiza Court fraud committed four separate times.

1053
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: We do have an exoneration of Hillary with clear obstruction,

1054
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: clear violation of the Espionage Act. That exoneration put in

1055
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: written in May early May of twenty sixteen, and she

1056
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: wasn't even interviewed nor with sixteen other main witnesses. And

1057
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: I never heard of an exoneration written before investigation. And

1058
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't think if I did what Hillary did to

1059
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: subpoen at emails, delete them, acid washed the hard drive

1060
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: and everything else, that I would survive. But we'll continue

1061
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Speaker 1: more on the other side. Roger Stones, our guest, Stones

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Speaker 1: rules as his book, as we continue his journey now

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Speaker 1: as he awaits the actions of Robert Muller, quick break

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Speaker 1: right back, we'll continue. Well, So, and first of all,

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Speaker 1: I think I've been targeted because I supported Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: for president. I helped defeat Hillary Clinton. But I violated

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Speaker 1: no law regarding the twenty sixteen election or anything else.

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Speaker 1: And the idea that I knew about the source or

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01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: the content of the wiki, least disclosures whether they were

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01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 1: allegedly hacked emails or allegedly stolen emails of John Podesta

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01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: is simply false. I had a tipster who told me

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Speaker 1: that after Assange went on CNN in June and Fox

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Speaker 1: in August and said that he had a trove of

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Speaker 1: documents on Hillary Clinton, I had a tipster to tell

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Speaker 1: me that they were devastating, a bombshell, incredible, would end

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01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: Hillary's campaign, and that they would be published in October.

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01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: And I provided text messages only last week that proved

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Speaker 1: that that source was Randy Cretico, a New York based

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Speaker 1: progressive radio talk show host, and that his source was

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01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: not Julian Assange, but a woman attorney who works for

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Speaker 1: Wiki Lakes. So now suddenly the media doesn't want to

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01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: talk about critical anymore. Now suddenly they have a new narrative,

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01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: which is the idea that I must have received these documents,

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01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: either Podesta's emails or the DNC emails from Jerry Corsi.

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Speaker 1: That is also false. All right, that was just in

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01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: the last hour, Roger Stone. As now the mystery of

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01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: what is going on. Paul Manafort Julian Assange both denying

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Speaker 1: the Guardian report that they had met on three separate occasions,

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Speaker 1: Jerome Corsi saying He will not sign something that is

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Speaker 1: not true in some plea deal offered to him, he

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Speaker 1: claims by Robert Muller in connection with what he knew

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Speaker 1: and what he and Roger Stone were communicating about in

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Speaker 1: the lead up to the twenty sixteen presidential election. And

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Speaker 1: on top of all of that, we just have you

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Speaker 1: know what's going to happen next the President and put

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Speaker 1: out answers to specific questions, one of them apparently having

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Speaker 1: to do with whether or not the President had any

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Speaker 1: conversation with roger Stone about the issue of white what

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Speaker 1: might be released by Julian Assans. Roger Stone just telling

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01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: us moments ago that there was no such conversation, and

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01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: the President answered correctly. Anyway here to get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of this are what are the legal aspects that

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Speaker 1: are in play here? Because when Robert Muller, if he's

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01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: offering Jerome Corsi, is Corsi claims some type of plea deal,

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 1: then that's interesting to one count of perjury or lying

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Speaker 1: in even the possibility of only probation. But he's not

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Speaker 1: going to sign something that's not true. Remember back, Lieutenant

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01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: General Flynn said, the FBI agents and James Comey himself

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01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 1: Peter Struck amongst them all did not believe he lied

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Speaker 1: to the FBI, but he was going bankrupt, had to

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01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,400
Speaker 1: sell his house. I believe the screws would be interned

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01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,439
Speaker 1: on him, probably pressuring him with some time for threat

1113
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: against his son who he was in business with. This

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01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: happens all too often, and we call it, as my

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01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: friend Greg Jared, who joins us now calls it testa

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01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: lying say what they want. You get off with no sentence,

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01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: You get off with a light sentence. But both mana

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01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: Fort and Coursi are saying no, we're not going to

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01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: play that game. Also with us. Andy McCarthy, Fox News contributor,

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Speaker 1: columnist National Review, former, by the way, assistant US Attorney

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Speaker 1: for the Southern District of New York. Welcome both of you.

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Speaker 1: You know, Andy, we've gone back and forth about this,

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01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: and you know, it reminds me of like Sammy the

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: boll Gravano, who you know, he kills what eighteen nineteen

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Speaker 1: people and they make a deal and he doesn't go

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Speaker 1: to jail if he testifies against Gotti. How do you

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01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: trust the guy when you're bribing him with a get

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01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: out of jail free card. In that particular case, maybe

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01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: more dramatic, but do you see that happening here? Sean.

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Speaker 1: The vital difference between what you just described in terms

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,760
Speaker 1: of Gravano and what we're dealing with here is that

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01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Gravano actually played guilty to a crime, that is to say,

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: to a scheme, to a conspiracy. What a prosecutor does

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01:07:07,720 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: in a real criminal case when the prosecutor has an

1135
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: actual conspiracy that he's investigating, is he brings the cooperator

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01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: in and the cooperator testify or allocutes in his guilty

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01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: plea to the existence of the conspiracy. He says, here's

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01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: the crime that we agree to commit. I was a

1139
01:07:30,840 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 1: member of the Gambino family at Costa No No Street.

1140
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: Here was the boss, here was the under boss. This

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: is the crew I ran. These are the crimes I committed.

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01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: And that way you have the structure of the criminal enterprise.

1143
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: You've got it all described, you have everybody's role in

1144
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 1: it right here. What we're dealing with is an investigation

1145
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: of no crime, so they don't have What they're doing

1146
01:07:55,400 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: is they're investigating the scene underbelly of a k In politics,

1147
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff that goes on in campaigns and

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: even if Muller had his dream version of events. Here.

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01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: Let's say Wiki Leaks was in contact with Jerry Corsey,

1150
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: who was in contact with Stone, who told the President

1151
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:22,599
Speaker 1: that they had Hillary Clinton or John Potesta's emails. What's

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01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: the crime because I don't think anybody knew it was there.

1153
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 1: So this is important because I'm watching all of this

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01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: and I'm asking myself, what is okay somebody says that

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01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: they have something that is damning OP research, It's going

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01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 1: to hurt the other party. Now, I think if four

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01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: hundred thirty five members of Congress one hundred US senators

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01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: get a phone call and the phone call says, no,

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01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 1: we got information that is damaging to your opponent, do

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01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 1: you agree with me? Probably all five hundred and thirty

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01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 1: five would say what do you got and go and

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01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: meet such a person. Of course they would, because that's

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01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: the way politics goes in America. But my point is

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01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: that they are criminalizing something that is not criminal activity.

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01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: That's the reason that they have to plead them guilty

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01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,719
Speaker 1: to false statement counts. I agree with you that Sammy

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01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: Gravano got a disgraceful sentence, but at least he pled

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: guilty to racketeering at least he pled guilty to the

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01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 1: crime that they were investigating. Here, they're not investigating a crime,

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01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,879
Speaker 1: so they have to plead everybody guilty to false statements

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01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: counts and sean. If you were a prosecutor building a

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Speaker 1: case that you intend to have a big bang at

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01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: the end, do you think the way you go about

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01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 1: that is to plead all your important witnesses to lying

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01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: to the FBI. You want to put people on the

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01:09:43,240 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 1: stand that the first thing that the jury's going to hear,

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01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: and the most enduring thing they're going to hear, is

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01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: that the guy's a liar and can't be trusted. Nobody

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01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:55,800
Speaker 1: builds a case that way. Greg Jarrett Well Durham, Course,

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Speaker 1: he sent me the plea offer that he received from

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01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: Robert Muller, and count number one false statement. It begins

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01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: by saying, Jerome, course, he did willfully and knowingly make

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01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: a materially false, fictitious, fraudulent statement to wit and then

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: identifies three things. He said, those three things are different

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01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 1: than emails that he have and a half, and the

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01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:26,439
Speaker 1: lawyer responded, of course. He's lawyer responded by saying, my

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01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: client did not have the benefit of reviewing his emails

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 1: and once he did that, he amended his statements to

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Speaker 1: your office. And now you're asking him to admit that

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01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: he lied, when in fact, he simply didn't recall a

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,160
Speaker 1: couple of the emails. He's seventy old. Look, I'm much younger.

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01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: If you asked me who was on my show next week,

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01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: I honestly don't think I could recall. I don't think

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:59,600
Speaker 1: I would an example. So I went back because I

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01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 1: had some vague recollection that I wrote about wiki leaks

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01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: in two thousand and sixteen during this summer, and I

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Speaker 1: research it. I go back through my emails, I go

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Speaker 1: through my column. I wrote a column which I don't

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Speaker 1: remember writing. And by the way, and do you know

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01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:20,680
Speaker 1: that's true? Right? How does anyone remember what the hell

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01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: you did in twenty sixteen. I don't even know where

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: I was. It was having on emails and information that

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01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: I sent out trying to get the same information from

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01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,160
Speaker 1: wiki leaks. Now I don't remember sending them. So if

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01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:39,879
Speaker 1: I had testified yesterday, I'd be in the same position

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01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: as Jerome Corsi. I want to and do you want

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01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: to jump in on that? I just was going to

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: say that, uh, you know, I remember every word of

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01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: every column, and I expect everyone else to remember every word.

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. You do not anyway. But let's go back

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01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:59,640
Speaker 1: to this document describing Corsis activities, and I want to

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01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: just as if it's a crime, it says honor about

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01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: July twenty fifth, twenty sixteen, person one, we believe now

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01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:08,680
Speaker 1: to be Rogers Stone send an email to Corsi with

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01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: the subject line get to the founder of organization one

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01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: we believed to be Wiki leagues, meaning assange the body

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01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 1: of the message read get to the founder of the

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01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: organization Organization one at the Ecuadorian embassy in London. They're

1219
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: not really hiding it, and get pending organization one emails

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: They deal with foundation allegedly, so somebody gave him. It

1221
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: sounds like somebody gave him a tip. Hey, this guy

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01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: might have information that deals with the Clinton Foundation. That's

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Speaker 1: how I read it, right, Yeah, And if it was

1224
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 1: a crime, they would have asked Jerry Corsi to plead

1225
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 1: guilty to conspiracy to commit espionage. They're describing an operation

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01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: to get somebody's clause on opposition research, which people may

1227
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: think is icky, but is not illegal. And again, Sean,

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Speaker 1: I'll come back to the same thing. The reason that

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01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:02,160
Speaker 1: they're pressuring him to plead guilty to a false statement

1230
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: is in order to camouflage what they're doing as if

1231
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: they were investigating actual crime. But what's going on here

1232
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: is they're investigating a non crime. They trip people up

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01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: and they get them to falsely explain, or as they

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01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: put it, inaccurately explain what happened. And what the media

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01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: then runs out and reports is that Mulla is doing

1236
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 1: an investigation of Trump collusion with Russia and everybody's pleading guilty.

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01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: Isn't this what we call a classic to that? Isn't

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01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: this a classic perjury trap? In other words, you know

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01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: they can't get you on the underlying crime. So what

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01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: it teaches I guess everybody else's, even though you might

1241
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,719
Speaker 1: be inclined as I normally would be. If the FBI

1242
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 1: wanted my help, I would want to help them. But

1243
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 1: if I'm risking my own life and a charge of

1244
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:58,360
Speaker 1: perjury if I don't accurately remember something, I don't even

1245
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: know what I did on TV last night, And and

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01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 1: Corsi's mistake is twofold. First of all, he should not

1247
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 1: have volunteered to testify. He should have said no, when

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01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 1: he was asked. And second of all, he should have

1249
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: reviewed his emails before he testified. That's his mistake. But nevertheless, well,

1250
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 1: he actually deleted them, but then he was able to

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 1: gain access, as you often are, through deleted emails that

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01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: are nevertheless kept. But I mean the point is that

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01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: if Robert Muller decides to charge Jerome Corsi with making

1254
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: a false statement, he'll never be able to prove it,

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01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: I predict, because he'd have to show that it was

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01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: willingly and knowingly made. Well in the defense of Jerome Corsi,

1257
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 1: as it is for many people, is that I didn't

1258
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: knowingly make a false statement. I didn't remember emails that

1259
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: I said. He but isn't it an act of bravery?

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: I mean, pretty much what it seems. Mueller's team was

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: offering you plead guilty to one count of lying, and

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01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: we won't even we won't even oppose the possibility that

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01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: you just get probation. So of Coursie says, I'm not

1264
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Mantaport, he says, I'm not going to tell

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: you what you want to say. Greg, you coined the term, well,

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01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: I've heard it before, test to lie. In other words,

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01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 1: they're sitting there across the table from you, basically telling

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01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: you what they want to hear, and all you have

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01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 1: to do to save your own ass is say what

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01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: they want to hear. And if you do, you're going

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Speaker 1: to benefit instead of the rest of your life in jail.

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01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's going to be, you know, two weeks like Papadopoulos,

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: But to both of them to both say no because

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01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,200
Speaker 1: they can't go along with something that's false. They're both

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01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: older gentlemen. It seems to me that that's a pretty

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01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: principled stand, knowing that this might be the rest of

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: their lives in jail. They're being principled. In the special

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01:15:57,400 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: counsel is being unprincipled because he doesn't care about the

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01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,680
Speaker 1: truth and he's using the tactics of bribery and extortion

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01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 1: to try to get somebody to capitulate in Coursie and

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01:16:09,160 --> 01:16:12,640
Speaker 1: I think man Afford now are refusing to do so.

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Speaker 1: The quick answer on that, Andy, and we'll take a

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01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: break to capitulate on what that's the I mean, what

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01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: Greg outlines, sure, but the thing is, what if they

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01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: admitted what Mueller wanted, it's still not a crime. What

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: they're doing is they're criminalizing what they do in a

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01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: political campaign. It's not like, you know, somebody agrees with

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01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: Muller's version of events. And finally we have the big

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01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: hacking conspiracy they don't have. I want to ask you

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01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: about that when we get back. I want to ask

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01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 1: you about because the New York Times also publish this information,

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01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: as did other papers, the other news sources, and there

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01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: was a case in the past where it became a

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01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 1: big deal. I'll explain that when we get back. Let's

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01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 1: talk about other publications that did the same thing that

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01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: wiki leaks did. They got the information, and they got

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01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 1: the emails DNC Podesta. They all didn't they all print them?

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01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 1: Are they Why are they less culpable than wiki leaks

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01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: doing it? Andy, They're not. We have a pentagon. If

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01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 1: if wiki leaks was involved, if if wiki leaks had

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01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:23,360
Speaker 1: an understanding with Russian operatives that there would be hacking

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 1: and wiki leaks would take the hacked information and put

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 1: it out, then Wiki leaks may have a hacking problem.

1304
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, they may be involved in the hacking conspiracy.

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01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that other people who take what they

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01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: have and run with it have committed a crime. You could,

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01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, I remember when this came at Sean Marco Rubio,

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01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,800
Speaker 1: I think, came out and said nobody should rely on

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01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: this stuff, that nobody should um, you know, publicize it

1310
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 1: because it's it's stolen material, and he wanted to be

1311
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: like the last honest man. But the way things work

1312
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: in America, everybody uses this stuff and the media regularizes

1313
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: it by publishing it. I think that's a good point.

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01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: And on the other side of the guys, don't mind.

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01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 1: I want to hold you over a few more minutes

1316
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: and get into historically why I think this is important

1317
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: and what it means for freedom of the press and

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: those that are given information like this. Eight hundred nine one.

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01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 1: Sean will continue more with Greg Jarrett and Andy McCarthy

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Speaker 1: on the other side. All right, twenty five now till

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01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: the top of the hour. It's getting more interesting by

1322
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: the hour, by the minute, by the day. And Robert

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01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 1: Mueller has had two setbacks now in the last couple

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01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: of days, one with Paul Manafort also apparently along with

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01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 1: Jerome Corsia, had joint defense agreements with the White House,

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01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: which means a lot of the information was going back

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01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:41,880
Speaker 1: and forth. Mueller's claiming the cooperation agreement with Manafort has

1328
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 1: been breached and in the case of course, he's saying

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01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,519
Speaker 1: that he refuses to take a plea deal in which

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01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: he would be forced to lie about something. I want

1331
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:52,839
Speaker 1: to get into the issue it maybe used the Pentagon

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01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: papers as a case in point Andy to explain to

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01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: people exactly why this is not a crime. Even if

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01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,599
Speaker 1: it did it happened as it relates to Jerome Corsi

1335
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: or Roger Stone, why would you say it's not a crime. Well, Sean,

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01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: maybe the best example for people would be like a diary. Right,

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01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 1: you have a diary in your house. I come in

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01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 1: and I steal the diary out of your house and

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01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: I give it to Greg and Greg runs with the

1340
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: information on it. Now, Greg didn't deputize me to go

1341
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: steal it, you know, he didn't know I was going

1342
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: to take it. But he finds the information interesting he

1343
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: publishes it. Now I've committed a crime because I stole

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01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: it from you. Greg hasn't done anything wrong. Now you

1345
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: could say, maybe he's done something on ethical or something

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01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:44,719
Speaker 1: that you think is achy, because you've you've put personal

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01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: information in your diary and he's not respecting your right

1348
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:53,240
Speaker 1: to privacy as you see it, sure, fine, but he's

1349
01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: still let me let me ask you specifically in this case,

1350
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 1: because I interviewed a sage on radio and on TV,

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01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,200
Speaker 1: and I asked him repeatedly, I'll play it for you

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01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,919
Speaker 1: if you want, whether or not he got this information

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01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: from Russia. Now, one caveat people in the intel community,

1354
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: other sources. I have said it absolutely. Maybe it wasn't

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01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:16,000
Speaker 1: directly from Russia or a state party, as he said,

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01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,320
Speaker 1: but it could have been a third party cut out,

1357
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: if you will. In other words, somebody that is not

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01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:24,640
Speaker 1: associated with them but really is doing their bidding. But

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01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: here's what, Asan said, Russia give you this information or

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01:20:29,080 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: anybody associated with Russia. Our source is not a state party.

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01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 1: So the answer for our interactions is no, you did

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01:20:39,479 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: not get this information about the DNC John Podesta's emails.

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01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: Can you tell the American people a thousand percent you

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01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 1: did not get it from Russia or anybody associated with Russia.

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01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: We can say, we have said repeatedly over the last

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01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: two months, that our source is not the Russian cover

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01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 1: and it is not the state's party. Our source is

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01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,479
Speaker 1: not the Russian government. So in other words, let me

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01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:10,320
Speaker 1: be clear, Russia did not give you the podested documents

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01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 1: or anything from the DNC. All right, now, Andy, just

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01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 1: using your example of you giving something to Greg and

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01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 1: Gregg maybe unethically but not illegally, you know, publishes that something,

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01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 1: and maybe you're on the hook. What if something is

1374
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,839
Speaker 1: brought to wiki leagues by whatever source, but it happens

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01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: to be truth that they're publishing. May not like it,

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01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: it may be secrets, it might be you know, personally,

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01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:38,040
Speaker 1: I can't believe we as a country have not developed

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01:21:38,520 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 1: cyber security. We get hacked all the time. It's insane

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01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,799
Speaker 1: that we have not built up a better defense system

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01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: for our government. Which also raises the question of Hillary's

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01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: emails and how unsafe that was in a bathroom closet.

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01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: But when he says that if what he is saying

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01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: is true and this was offered to him, is he

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01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 1: Greg using urine aology? Did he just receive it from

1385
01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: somebody and he published what somebody gave him because he

1386
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: believed it to be true. The best example is the

1387
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,760
Speaker 1: Pentagon papers case. The documents about the Vietnam War were

1388
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: stolen by Daniel Ellsberg. They were given the New York

1389
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 1: Times and the Washington Post that published them. The Post

1390
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: and The New York Times are insulated from prosecution. They're

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01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:25,439
Speaker 1: publishing something that's a matter of public interest, even though

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01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 1: they were stolen, And that principle of the Pentagon Papers

1393
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: cases stood for a very long time. We don't prosecute

1394
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:37,480
Speaker 1: people for trying to find out information, especially news organizations

1395
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: that are in the public interest, even though they originally

1396
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 1: might be stolen information. The same can be said here.

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01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 1: Let's assume that the documents were stolen and given to

1398
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 1: Wiki Leaks, and then they then published. Of course, he

1399
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 1: was trying to do exactly what you did, trying to

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01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:00,280
Speaker 1: find out information. If you read the count again, stim

1401
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: it says he reached out to wiki leagues. All right,

1402
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 1: so did you, So did I So did hundreds of

1403
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,439
Speaker 1: other journalists across America during the summer of two thousand

1404
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: and sixteen because Julians he's got some stuff and it's

1405
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 1: going to be damaging to Hillary Clinton. So everybody was

1406
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: trying to find out what it was. So why then,

1407
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: it's not why Andy then would in the sense if

1408
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: this is offered to Wiki leagues, and I know they

1409
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: view themselves as a news organization, if it's given to them,

1410
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: why wouldn't they be in the same position as the

1411
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 1: New York Times and the Washington Post in the Pentagon

1412
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:40,120
Speaker 1: Papers case. Well, Sean, I don't know that I accept

1413
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:46,599
Speaker 1: Asana's explanation that he didn't get it from Russia. If

1414
01:23:46,680 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: you take at face value what he said, and if

1415
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 1: it turns out as you qualified before, if what he's

1416
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: saying is true, then I agree with Gregg's analysis of it.

1417
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: He's just like a journalist. What all right, Let's say

1418
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: his source was a Russian cut out. Let's say it's that.

1419
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: Does that matter who where he got it from? I

1420
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: think it depends on whether he knows and whether you

1421
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 1: have an arrangement that you can that you can properly

1422
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 1: describe as a conspiracy and others. How is that different though,

1423
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: than the Pentagon papers? What do you mean in other words?

1424
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:18,720
Speaker 1: You know they were stolen, they were stolen documents, they

1425
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 1: were printed. Yeah, but if you're encouraging people to do

1426
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,880
Speaker 1: the theft and there's proof of that, Let's say he didn't.

1427
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: Let's say you didn't encourage it. Somebody came to him

1428
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 1: and offered it to him. Well, that's a different thing, right,

1429
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: That's like that's like somebody takes information. What I'm saying

1430
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,720
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of there's a lot of you know,

1431
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: this is not a one off with Wiki leaks, right, Uh,

1432
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 1: They've had they have a lot of information that they've

1433
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 1: put out in the past. And there's a lot of

1434
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: people in the intelligence community long before any of this happened,

1435
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 1: that thought that they were in arm of Russian intelligence.

1436
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 1: And I don't think that that's ever been disproved. It

1437
01:24:54,080 --> 01:24:56,960
Speaker 1: certainly hasn't been disproved. Listen, I know people that believe

1438
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 1: that with all their heart and soul, and I don't

1439
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: have an so because it's it's way above my pay grade.

1440
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: But but then let me take it a step further

1441
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: and ask if in fact they got these disinformation however

1442
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: they got it and they published it, and if they

1443
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 1: didn't encourage it. You're saying there's no crime associated with that,

1444
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: and that that precedence of the Pentagon papers would hold, Yes,

1445
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: if there's no conspiracy, Sean, I don't understand why giving

1446
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: it to wiki leaks would be different from giving it

1447
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: to me, you know, I mean, there's either a crimer

1448
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:31,040
Speaker 1: there's not underneath it all. Yeah, and Greg, to take

1449
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,599
Speaker 1: it even maybe a step further, if they really wanted

1450
01:25:33,640 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 1: to find out where they got it from. Why didn't

1451
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 1: Muller and his Well, first of all, why didn't you know?

1452
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 1: The interesting thing is he never went after Hillary Clinton

1453
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 1: and real Russian lies, really used it to propagandize the

1454
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:50,200
Speaker 1: American people, bought and paid for Russian lies. Then a

1455
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 1: fraud committed on four fives accords and four app separate applications,

1456
01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: pertinent information withheld from those judges. And then of course

1457
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,599
Speaker 1: she was exonerated and without an investigation. And then we've

1458
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 1: got surveillance and I'm asking and leaking raw intelligence abuse here.

1459
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: But you know, let's just for the sake of argument

1460
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:11,719
Speaker 1: here say that you know, in the case of Wiki leaks,

1461
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: that they did what any other paper would do or

1462
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 1: any other Yeah, and Muller admits it. But why didn't

1463
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: they ask Well, here's my question, why didn't they ask

1464
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 1: Julian Assange? Well, they shouldn't. The first thing you do

1465
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,759
Speaker 1: is you asked Julian Assange. There's no indication anyone. Wouldn't

1466
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 1: he be the one guy I'm sorry to interrupt, wouldn't

1467
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: he be the one guy that knows where he got

1468
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: it from? And wouldn't he be able wouldn't he be

1469
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: able to prove where he got it from. He would,

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01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: But the on the Statement of Offense first page, Muller

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01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:46,680
Speaker 1: declares the theft of campaign related emails and other documents

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01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,560
Speaker 1: was by the Russian government's main intelligence directorate of the

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01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 1: General Staff, the gru. So Mueller declares, this was the

1474
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: theft was bought. Okay, let's say that's true, but that

1475
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,479
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that's where they got it from. And if

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01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 1: the Russians gave it to WIKI leagues and Jerome Corsi

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01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: and others, including yourself, try to find out information in

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Speaker 1: details about that. You're not committing a crime. The gr

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Speaker 1: you committed a crime, but nobody else did. All right, Listen,

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Speaker 1: you guys are both fascinating. I mean, this really is

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Speaker 1: getting interesting to me, and it seems like there is

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01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: there's a certain desperation to this that I think is

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01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 1: going to be revealed in pretty short order. We'll find out.

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Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy, thank you, Greg Jarrett, thank you. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys spending the extra time with us. Eight hundred

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01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 1: nine for one. Shawn told free telephone number you want

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Speaker 1: to be a part of the program. Our friend Congressman

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01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 1: Louis Gormer to Texas their first congressional district. What percentage

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01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: of the vote did you get this time? It was

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01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:56,880
Speaker 1: only about seventy two, seventy three, seventy two seven. I'm

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01:27:56,920 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: never campaigning for you again. You don't need me ever.

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01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? If it would have been a lot

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01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: worse without you? Sean? Are you kidding? Can I say

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01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 1: one thing about Mueller mower investigation? We got senators say

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01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 1: the more investigation we got to be protected. Look, let

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Speaker 1: me go on record, the Mueller investigation has got to

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Speaker 1: be protected at all costs. I've been saying Mueller needed

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Speaker 1: to be investigated for years now, and if there's an

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01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: investigation of Moller, it needs to be protected. This guy's dirty,

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Speaker 1: he needs to be investigated. That's the mower investigation that

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01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: needs Well, that's not gonna happen. But you know, we

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01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: are talking about a lot of different things here. Let

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01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: me ask you this, um. Now, you have a plan

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01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 1: that's going to allow Congress to pay for the border

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01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:45,040
Speaker 1: wall through a reconciliation bill that would be in the

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01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: House and Senate can do it with fifty one votes

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01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: in the Senate. Yeah, or even fifty votes, because then

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01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: we have a vice president that would break it for

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Speaker 1: the president. And you know what, in September we were told, look,

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Speaker 1: let's don't have a fight for the wall. Now, let's

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01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 1: come back in December and do it then. And now

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Speaker 1: there is no fight. And I got up today at

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Speaker 1: conference and I was saying, look, guys, you said you

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Speaker 1: were wanted to fight in December. Now is the time

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01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: to fight. We only have a couple of months. And Sean,

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01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 1: you had been so proud of the members that stood

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01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 1: up and said, hey, I've been defeated, but I'm willing

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Speaker 1: to stay here every day. I'd like to have Christmas

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01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Day itself, but I would stay here every day. People

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01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: are willing to fight. Rank and file are willing to fight.

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01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: And Paul says, well, the Senate doesn't have the votes.

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Speaker 1: We can do it through reconciliation. Brad Burn has the

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01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 1: bill is called the fifty vote for a Wall bill

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01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 1: because you don't have to have sixty and it could

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01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: be done. Paul's been chairman of Budget Committee's done it before.

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01:29:47,560 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 1: He knows how it's done. Well, they don't have the

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01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: votes in the Senate. Look, we have got to have

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01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 1: people right up the Senate, right up the House members saying, look,

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01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: you got two months help the president. You didn't help

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01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:02,320
Speaker 1: him enough before. Now you got a chance before you

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01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 1: go out help the president. We got a lot people

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01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 1: up because the fight is in a lot of members,

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01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 1: Republican members here just not why are they afraid to

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01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: have this fight ever? I mean, this is it. Don't

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01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,719
Speaker 1: get it. I don't get it. It's if we don't

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01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: have this fight, they may want Rodney for president next time.

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01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,400
Speaker 1: There will not be another Republican president if we don't

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01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,719
Speaker 1: do what we need to do to help Donald Trump

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01:30:29,160 --> 01:30:32,920
Speaker 1: protect our border, protect our country, not to stop immigration,

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01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 1: but make sure it's legal. He's doing what he can.

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01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: That's why his voters will come out in twenty twenty.

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01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:42,639
Speaker 1: But we can do this is through the Reconciliation product,

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01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:44,880
Speaker 1: and the Democrats can stop it. We have the votes.

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01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: What has Mitch McConnell said about it. Well, I haven't

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01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:51,479
Speaker 1: heard from Mitch, but I've heard from Paul and Kevin.

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01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 1: Their position as well. The Senate says they don't have

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01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: the votes. Well maybe they don't have Jeff Flake, but

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01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,880
Speaker 1: we could get fifty votes if there's enough pressure brought

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01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: to bear on what's going to happen next year if

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01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,840
Speaker 1: they don't help out and get this done for a

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01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: while where we need it. I mean, we have slapped

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01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:13,680
Speaker 1: the president the effects figuratively speaking. It's time. We can

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01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 1: do this now. And thank you for your fight. This

1554
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:21,080
Speaker 1: is a desperate time and I don't normally get applause

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01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:25,120
Speaker 1: at conference, but when I said, guys, this little experiment

1556
01:31:25,200 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: in self government is very in grave danger of coming

1557
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: to an end. Let's fight. Let's spend these next two

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01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 1: months helping the president. And I got a bunch of applause.

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01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,000
Speaker 1: People are ready to fight, but the leadership is not.

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01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 1: They just said, I'm gonna get Kevin McCarthy on the

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01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:42,840
Speaker 1: line and see if I can talk to him about it,

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01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 1: because he's the guy that can make this happen, and

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01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,840
Speaker 1: he should make it happen. In the new listeners, I

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01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,760
Speaker 1: think you need to add, Look, you have a good

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01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: relationship with the president. Wanted you to have the President

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01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: called Mitch McConnell and push him. Well, and that's the thing.

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01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,400
Speaker 1: If the House will do our job, then the President

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01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: has incredible leverage against Senate to get it done. But

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01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:05,960
Speaker 1: if we don't even fight to do it in the House,

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01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: well then there is no pressure on the Senate. We

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01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: gotta get it done. We're gonna work on that the

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Speaker 1: rest of the week. Is it unfolds Louis Garmoert, thank you,

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01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: my friend, eight hundred nine for one. Sean told that's

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01:32:16,240 --> 01:32:18,479
Speaker 1: what It's simple. They have the power. All they have

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01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,680
Speaker 1: to do is the work, not that hard keeping promises.

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01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,880
Speaker 1: The American people will will reward you politically for that.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna wrap things up for us here today. Wow,

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Speaker 1: what a show we have on Hannity tonight. By the way,

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Speaker 1: I just see Jerome Corsi as now said that his

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01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,799
Speaker 1: attorneys have prepared It looks like they filed a criminal

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01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: complaint with the Acting Attorney General Whittaker on Muller's special

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01:32:44,479 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 1: counsel and the DOJ. Now, both Jerome Corsi and Roger

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01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: Stone will join us tonight Hannity Tonight ninetiestern say DVR,

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Speaker 1: We'll be back here tomorrow see tonight. Thanks for being

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Speaker 1: with us.